Now the Army too

[sansanwalamit]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4703427.stm

[dhruvdahiya]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4703427.stm


It is the greed for money that has compelled people to sell the trust they carry and is nothing but disgrace.



Thanx for highlighting uncle ji.

[haryanajat]

Jahaan jaahan looog hogeen wahaan wahaan baeimaani hogee. Chayee duniya kee kisee bhi koonee mein chaaale jayoo.

[praveendangi]

sehi bola apne jeetender apne, time hi aisa aa gaya hai ,aajkal beinmani sebi jegeh hai, no place is secure....

[jagmohan]

You are all right.

Selling of Petrol & Diesel in J&K is going on since ages. There is absolutely no doubt that Army Officers, mainly those who belong to the 'Supply Corps', are involved too. It is a racket that can't be stopped because for many the 'Fauj' has become just another 'Job' and not a "Way of Life'.

Interestingly, I can guess the reason as to why this must have come to light now. Two very honest officers are posted in the Ladakh Sector and I happen to know both of them personally. They were both my seniors in school. One is Maj Gen Halgalli (Cammanding a Division in Leh) and the other is Brig Om Prakash Chillar (Cammanding the Siachen Brigade). I have no doubt hat by the time both complete their present assignments, they would surely clean up a lot of 'Muck' from thier respective commands. Both are no nonsense types, irritatingly honest and professionally sound. I only hope they don't pay for these qualities in the next promotion board.

Regards,

JS Malik

[anujkumar]

and what is with these inquaries. Anything happens.. an enquiry is set up and then you never hear about it. Enquries are supposed to investigate more intangible problems like long term solution to a social or system problem. It's a sure shot case of crime and there should be criminal investigation for it. If technacality doesn't allow a civilain one then it should be military investigation.. but the bottom line we should hope for in these investigation should be speed so that it has some impact. not to mention the transparancy, fairness and accuracy.

I am sure people know who did it very well. I mean the stuff disappeared while on route. Catch the driver.. he would tell where did it go.. catch that guy.. he will tell whome he payed.. catch the guy who got payed. It should not take more than two weeks.

But I think the fact is that they don't want to do that.

[dhruvdahiya]

You are all right.

Selling of Petrol & Diesel in J&K is going on since ages. There is absolutely no doubt that Army Officers, mainly those who belong to the 'Supply Corps', are involved too. It is a racket that can't be stopped because for many the 'Fauj' has become just another 'Job' and not a "Way of Life'.

Interestingly, I can guess the reason as to why this must have come to light now. Two very honest officers are posted in the Ladakh Sector and I happen to know both of them personally. They were both my seniors in school. One is Maj Gen Halgalli (Cammanding a Division in Leh) and the other is Brig Om Prakash Chillar (Cammanding the Siachen Brigade). I have no doubt hat by the time both complete their present assignments, they would surely clean up a lot of 'Muck' from thier respective commands. Both are no nonsense types, irritatingly honest and professionally sound. I only hope they don't pay for these qualities in the next promotion board.

Regards,

JS Malik




Respected uncle ji,

Why supply corps only today beimanni is in all regiments and corps. What we see today in the enviornment is that HAMMAM MEI SAB NANGGE HEI. It will require Overhauling of the system to sort out the muck.Two of them as mentioned can hardly do a thing. What i feel is that Such kinda traitors be shot dead [ who so ever they may be]



Due respect

[vinayakantil]

hi
i stand firmly against u. its the bloody civilian staff in army who gets envolved which results in the disgrace of army. moreover if few out of crores change colours and that also because a fauji in monetary terms is not as sound as his counterparts in civil, u have to blame the civilian auth who frames policies siting in north block in delhi.

i can assure u that army is the most noble profession in the world. its much better off than others.

i assure u that country is in safe hands and advice u to help us to curb such incidence .

[amitdahiya]

Dhruv ,

I cannot agree with your sweeping generalisation. If what you say is true the indian Army would have conducted several coups by now. If a powerful entity becomes corrupt then absolute power corrupts absolutely so why have they resisted the attractions of the most attractive fruit of corruption in a developing country or the so called third world i.e. Political Power? The answer is obvious the entire army is by and large honest, dedicated and not self serving at all. But it is also true that all men are not cut from the same cloth and not everyone can resist the opportunity to make easy money.

[dhruvdahiya]

Amit uncle ji you could not get my point. I meant something else. I wanted to say that let us not single out a person or department out here and i still stand by that.Honest and dishonest people exist across the board and hence pointing an accusing fingure at a particular branch of a system is not in good taste. My father, my tau ji and my chacha ji are serving in different dept. of army and are all honest and upright, irrespective of the Corps or regt they are serving with.



Due respect

[jagmohan]

All those who are interested in finding out about the increase/decrease of 'Corruption' in the Army, please approach the Army HQ and ask for the Adjutant General Branch News Letter and see the figures released quarterly or half yearly. These things can't be discussed. The Right to Information act allows you to seek any information you want from the government. And all those who are serving in the Armed Forces should be able to go through this document in your units/sub units.

Also Army Orders are published by the government press that gives the details of each and every discipline case that ended in Court Martial or summary disposal. Even the Corps or Regiment, Act or Crime, Punishment given etc is mentioned. It should become very clear as to which Corps is less/more corrupt.

I have served in the Army long enough to know how grave misappropriations are passed off as 'Privilage', 'Regimentation', 'Welfare' and what not. All those who truly believe, like yours truly, that our Armed Forces are perhaps the last bastion standing also know where the problem is. The problem of 'Corruption' would not vanish just by wishing it away. We must face reality and take steps, which I am sure the Army does, and continue to earn the respect of our great country.

And since the issue was 'Sale of Petrol' I mentioned Supply Corps, just like I had mentioned INFANTRY when the issue was 'Siachen Fake Killings'.

Dhruv dear, I know you are a proud son of a proud father and are lucky to be born in a family of good soldiers. Unfortunately I am not so lucky. Some of my relatives who were/are in the ASC were/are nothing less than dacoits in uniform.

Regards,

JS Malik

[amitdahiya]

You are a brave and good man Col Malik. We are honoured to share your company on Jatland I salute your courage and candour.

[dhruvdahiya]

All those who are interested in finding out about the increase/decrease of 'Corruption' in the Army, please approach the Army HQ and ask for the Adjutant General Branch News Letter and see the figures released quarterly or half yearly. These things can't be discussed. The Right to Information act allows you to seek any information you want from the government. And all those who are serving in the Armed Forces should be able to go through this document in your units/sub units.

Also Army Orders are published by the government press that gives the details of each and every discipline case that ended in Court Martial or summary disposal. Even the Corps or Regiment, Act or Crime, Punishment given etc is mentioned. It should become very clear as to which Corps is less/more corrupt.

I have served in the Army long enough to know how grave misappropriations are passed off as 'Privilage', 'Regimentation', 'Welfare' and what not. All those who truly believe, like yours truly, that our Armed Forces are perhaps the last bastion standing also know where the problem is. The problem of 'Corruption' would not vanish just by wishing it away. We must face reality and take steps, which I am sure the Army does, and continue to earn the respect of our great country.

And since the issue was 'Sale of Petrol' I mentioned Supply Corps, just like I had mentioned INFANTRY when the issue was 'Siachen Fake Killings'.

Dhruv dear, I know you are a proud son of a proud father and are lucky to be born in a family of good soldiers. Unfortunately I am not so lucky. Some of my relatives who were/are in the ASC were/are nothing less than dacoits in uniform.

Regards,

JS Malik

Respected Jagmohan uncle,

It is a bit subjective issue and also concerns the organisation, which has nurtured and reared my three generations and hence i resist my temtation of talking loud and get rediculed.I would like to close with a few words that.....Jo ho raha hai wo theek ho raha hai aur jo peeche huwa aur aage hoga wo bhi theek hi raha hoga/ hoga. I withdraw in all humility!


With due respect to you uncle ji.

[vinayakantil]

dear colonel

1. though ,i am quite junior to u but i have served this org for more than 6 yrs and feel that this is org which comparitevely cleaner and more practical than others.
2. regementation and welfare of men is the bed rock of this org.
3. many times we forgets the thousand of good things done but remembers one or odd corruption activity and keeps on highlighting it.
4. u only quoted its because of a general and a brig in kargil sector whose efforts unearthed this corruption. in no other org this thing takes place.
5. in trg we were taught to stand with our palton /org during bad time.




All those who are interested in finding out about the increase/decrease of 'Corruption' in the Army, please approach the Army HQ and ask for the Adjutant General Branch News Letter and see the figures released quarterly or half yearly. These things can't be discussed. The Right to Information act allows you to seek any information you want from the government. And all those who are serving in the Armed Forces should be able to go through this document in your units/sub units.

Also Army Orders are published by the government press that gives the details of each and every discipline case that ended in Court Martial or summary disposal. Even the Corps or Regiment, Act or Crime, Punishment given etc is mentioned. It should become very clear as to which Corps is less/more corrupt.

I have served in the Army long enough to know how grave misappropriations are passed off as 'Privilage', 'Regimentation', 'Welfare' and what not. All those who truly believe, like yours truly, that our Armed Forces are perhaps the last bastion standing also know where the problem is. The problem of 'Corruption' would not vanish just by wishing it away. We must face reality and take steps, which I am sure the Army does, and continue to earn the respect of our great country.

And since the issue was 'Sale of Petrol' I mentioned Supply Corps, just like I had mentioned INFANTRY when the issue was 'Siachen Fake Killings'.

Dhruv dear, I know you are a proud son of a proud father and are lucky to be born in a family of good soldiers. Unfortunately I am not so lucky. Some of my relatives who were/are in the ASC were/are nothing less than dacoits in uniform.

Regards,

JS Malik

[ramksehrawat]

Armymen are human beings too. They too are fallible.

[raj2rif]

Who are the army men. They come from the society which itself has become so corrupt, that when I used to discuss the honesty, I used to tell my fellow soldiers, that I would consider that person honest, who remains honest when he had an opportunity to be dishonest.

Corruption, we all are talking about. I had seen it at all level and tried my best to fight it out in whatever capacity I could. There are so many incidents that I know, that if I start writing there would be no end. Be it the case of an instructor favoring his student/regimental soldier/officer on a course of instruction or be it a case of a junior commissioned officer favoring some one in his platoon. The question how do we define the corruption.

I also know Brig OP Chillar for a long time and have shared same values throughout my career. I was lucky to know him from academy days and then get posted to the same station where we dined in the same officers mess and lived at same bachelor's accomodation for almost three years. I was also lucky to do my staff college and JC course with him, so it has been a long association with him. We do need officers like him at helm of affairs and I wish him good luck.

ASC is not the worst affected by corruption. I guess it comes poor fourth in that race after EME, MES and AOC in that order. I never served in the East, but know one senior officer telling us that some of the sensitive postings where transportation of material and purchases are concerned are decided by the meat contractor in that region. Let me confess, I do believe it might be true.

Army as a whole is comparatively cleaner organization. The fighting arms are much better, then the services as they have less exposure to the opportunities to become corrupt.

The question is how do we clean it? It is not only selling petrol or rations, the more serious issues are getting incompetent officers posted at sensitive appointments, which may have more serious consequences. The system by an large is fair but there are lots of gaps.

I remember I asked the question to one of my DS, in DSSC, that if our system is fair, then how come two CO's, BM and DQ in a Bde get Sacked and Cdr gets an award. To me a Cdr can only get an award if Bde does well and the Bde can only do well if atleast two out of three bns and Bde HQ does well. Obviously if two CO's, and BM and DQ are being sacked the Bde had not done well. You will be surprised to know the answer: I was told that the person I was referring to was the personal friend of the DS. I did not fair well in that tutorial, even though I managed the Instructor grade.

We do need to make our army a finely tuned outfit. To a large extent it is in that form, thanks to many officers like Brig Chillar. But it is a huge organization and a lot needs to be done. May be we have to restructure our procurement and distribution systems. There is a lot one can write on the subject. Incidents of this nature had happened in past and probably will be happening in future too. I hope we will have soldiers in all arms and services who will ensure that they follow the oath they had taken while taking the final step into Chetwood building.

[jagmohan]

I have nowhere said that Army is a bad organisation. Please go through my posts again. I have just said that corruption exists in the Armed Forces and is growing by the day as evident by the data that is public knowledge. We can't wish this evil away by refering to as to what we were taught in the Academy and Regiments.

The most effective method to curb this evil is not to fall prey to it even when you have a chance to be corrupt. I agree with Col Tavathia.

My advise to my young friends who are serving in the Armed Forces is simple. LOOK AFTER THE MEN & WOMEN UNDER YOUR COMMAND , FIGHT FOR THEIR IZZAT & HONOUR AND BE OVERBOARD YOURSELF AND DON'T GET BOTHERD BY THOSE WHO ARE CORRUPT. Simple, is it not?

[raj2rif]

I have nowhere said that Army is a bad organisation. Please go through my posts again. I have just said that corruption exists in the Armed Forces and is growing by the day as evident by the data that is public knowledge. We can't wish this evil away by refering to as to what we were taught in the Academy and Regiments.

The most effective method to curb this evil is not to fall prey to it even when you have a chance to be corrupt. I agree with Col Tavathia.

My advise to my young friends who are serving in the Armed Forces is simple. LOOK AFTER THE MEN & WOMEN UNDER YOUR COMMAND , FIGHT FOR THEIR IZZAT & HONOUR AND BE OVERBOARD YOURSELF AND DON'T GET BOTHERD BY THOSE WHO ARE CORRUPT. Simple, is it not?

Well said Col Malik. It is simple and achievable and let me further stress, not very difficult, but easily. All that you need to guard is yourself against the urge for free money and you would be fine. Let me assure, the people who are corrupt don't mess much with honest people if the honest person is professionally competent. Thus the key to success is be competent, know your job and then don't be scared of any one around. If you can serve and maintain the interests of those under your command in all situations, you would have done a wonderful job as a leader.

[dhruvdahiya]

Armymen are human beings too. They too are fallible.


There we are. Well said uncle ji!