Brutal Beating of Honda employees in Gurgaon

[kuldeepsingh]

Dear All,

The Honda management has been doing injustice to its employees. When they raised their voice against this injustice, they were brutally beaten up. As usual it is said that employees initiated the trouble. but the one version is that police lathi charged them first then there was genuine reaction and then police did a revengeful lathi charge. Really it is something like that:
HAM TO AH BHEE BHARTEY HAIN TO HO JATEY HAIN BADNAM, VO KATAL BHEE KAREYN TO CHARCHA NAHI HOTA.

Please react.

KULDEEP SINGH

[jitender_singh]

Really its a very unfortunate incident.Administration have to tackle a situation in a more wiseful way instead of brutally beating a workers.

It will overall show bad image of gurgaon and haryana and will impact in future.

Regards
Jitender



Dear All,

The Honda management has been doing injustice to its employees. When they raised their voice against this injustice, they were brutally beaten up. As usual it is said that employees initiated the trouble. but the one version is that police lathi charged them first then there was genuine reaction and then police did a revengeful lathi charge. Really it is something like that:
HAM TO AH BHEE BHARTEY HAIN TO HO JATEY HAIN BADNAM, VO KATAL BHEE KAREYN TO CHARCHA NAHI HOTA.

Please react.

KULDEEP SINGH

[dhruvdahiya]

Beating up of a DCP in the glare of camera by almost 10 gundas too should not be tolerated, otherwise no law abiding citizen will be able to come out on the road side. When i say this, i do not appreciate the brutal attack on the innocent striking employees...which was barbaric and inhuman all the way. But i strongly feel that this episode seems well planned and conspired against not one but many leaders and political outfits. Truth may not come out ever but some people are celeberating the event already. BAD for Mr B S Hooda though. Majdooron ke khoon par rotiyaan sekne ka ek aur nazara hai ye. Smart and big game well played by crafty people. Who are they?........? God knows!



Due respect

[pup030]

Hi,

Would it not be nice, once and for all to keep things political out of this platform we have in the form of jatland.com. Besides, no matter what your political affliations are but if you look deep inside and far around you dispassionately, each of us would realise that Haryana is one of the most corrupt states. Why so? Well, gone are the days of stalwarts like Sir Choturam and instead we have political pigmies and a citizenry whose blood has gone numb and hardly ever do we think beyond I, me and myself. Everything said and done my friends, we in Haryana may be a prosperous lot and so is the state of Haryana but we have lost and failed socially and politically. Its a great human resource failure where the essence of achievement is measured by the size of your bank balance and the car you drive.
I say all the above with authority as I am a practicing lawyer and each day I see the suffering of the masses and that moves me to think beyond the usual.

The recent brutal police atrocities at Gurgaon on 25,26 July 2005 and still continuing is again a stark reminder of the truth which we all casually try to brush under the carpet. I for one in my own sphere and expertise have extended Pro bono legal aid (thats free of cost legal services) to all and any of the persons affected during the said incidents of human rights violations by Haryana Police. How could we keep mum and quiet just viewing those images passively on the Television and still call ourselves a proud people. Pun intended. Can we call ourselves a civilised and a democratic and just society? Ponder about it for a moment.

Whats really happening in Haryana and for that matter in the entire country is that we collect the garbage and filth from around the state/country, place them in the Legislative assembly/parliament and expect them to do a great job for us all. Wishful thinking, isn't it. Why are we so stupid and ignorant or do we just do not care?

Best of luck to all and hail the motherland.

Wake up my friends
Dhiren singh

[dahiyarules]

First of all, I completely admit that the Haryana Police had no business intervening in a Labor issue. But one thing that came to my mind when I read about the "brutality" haryana police was the following joke. Once there was a killer tiger living in the jngles of africa. it would come every now and then and kill the cattle in surrounding villages. So after the local police failed to capture the tiger, they sought help from the british Police. The Brits went into the jungle and came back in 5 days and said that they found nothing. So the calle dthe Australians. The found nothing either after searching for 15 days. So after trying all the world's major police forces, they called the American police. They went to the jungles, and failed too after searching for 30 days. After all the failure, someone recommended the Haryana Police. Doubtful, but hopeful the vllagers wre left with no other options. So they summoned the help of Haryana Police. Our boys went into the jungles and didnt come back for a long tim. Finally after 6 months they came out of the jungles with a Donkey. This dissapointed everyone. So our Sub inspector Ramphal says: Tau yo ley tera sher.The africans say that its not the tiger. So Ramphal and his boys go de dhama dham on the donkey, say: Kabul Karr haraamkhor, ke tu e sher say. And the donkey goes: Haan Main e sher sun, bhai aur manna todo.

Jokes apart, his is a sad incident. I saw this on CNN earlier in the evning, and they made it to look satirical. Yes the internatonal image of india get tarnished by such events. I was reading about how certain MNCs are preferring other locations, because India's infrastructre sucks. And such incidents contribute to India loosing foreing investment.

Also, Labor unions are the real menace here. India isnt the only place where these companies operate. They have a perfect employment record everywhere they operate. Infact lots of enthusiastic young men prefer working in the private sector over Publicly held companies. The son of the CEO of Daewoo motors India (And Now the Chairman of Board of Directors of Daewoo Corporation, South Korea) is a very good friend of mine. He told me about the Labour Union Leader (Another mastanda from Haryana), and how menacing how he really was. He took in all the undertable grease to keep the workers on line. Had his own convoy of Luxury cars and would stay at nothing less than a 5 star hotel, forget about company provided accomodation. As the company was striving to balance its budget in order to stay efficient in India, this jerk would not take in any negotiations, and the company finally went broke.

People should have the ight to oganize in groups, based upon common interests. But this is open blackmailing. When you go out looking for a job, you are in an oppen market, shopping for a good employer. You compare the perks and benefits provded by all those who are willing to hire you and then you make your pick. If later on you feel that you are being treated unfairly, you either voice your concerns, or you walk out and look for some other employer who is willing to listen to your demands. You cannot go out and try to strangle your employer who kept your household going for all these years. This is clear Namakharaami. Now I know that there are a lot hardcore socialists reading this post. And I want all of you to know something, employers have certain rights too. They have gambled a large sum of money, with the hope of making a profit that they have to share with the shareholders, and on the other hand provide employemtn and good benefits to employees to keep them working wholeheartedly for their company. Good labor-employer relations are the foundation of good entreprenuership. A successful enterprise isnt possible in an environment where the labor is exploited. So employers try their best to keep their employees excited about their jobs. But when labor becomes a menace, the entreprenuers are left with no option but to lay off the troublemakers and hire someone who promises not to be part of a labor union. So finally, at the end of the day, the labor finally looses it's right to organize in groups.

Finally, the police shouldnt have been a part of it. It proves my point that state sponsored institutions are another menace. We elect a goverment, feed its abyss-like belly with taxes, and they hire the "vardee wala goondas," who "lathicharge," with lathis paid for by our taxes. So summing it up, you pay for your misery by paying taxes. We must completely boycott the government, and stop paying taxes, until the government cleans up its act, and starts treating us like citizens of a good democracy, where "everyone is equal." Manmohan Singh stood on the podium of the US congress and sai India is the world's largest democracy. Kit ki democracy. I think its living hell when people protesting about something, get lathicharged, and it is broadcast all around the, giving the firrangs another fit of laughter as they have their dinner over the 8o' clock news.

[haryanajat]

dusre dein key hua? ek lady nee ek sipahi see ladhi zheen kar ek police afsar ko kaske maree. sab police waloon sae argue kartee rahee. kya naam tha - vir mathi? kaun kahta hae aurat kamjor hotee haee?

[ratananmol]

I guess the feudal mentality of policemen has a lot to do with what may have happened and i think they will come out winners in the end. I am not sure if the company can be involved in the particular thing that turned nasty that day but they may have been involved in already bribing the police to act tough.

I think India should embark on broad range of reforms which intend to create more responsive contracts and schemes for creating a better incentive structures.For example, in order to manage the rowdy,corrupt police force an alternative police force can be created with overlapping jurisdictions but restricting their communication with the existing structure;the policy of transfers be abandoned altogther for this new entity which should draw men from local people who have stakes in local governance affecting their reputations and rewards; and finally the plaintiffs should have complete rights over choosing the traditional police or the new local police.(Creating competition among the two kinds of police will change things by itself).

The policy of providing a "khakhi" cover and the ability to move the police personnal thru transfers insulates them from their actions and make them more anonymous in any context. The relative popularity of the two systems will determine who will survive to serve the society for a fair return for their effort. It might be a little costly to implement initially but experts who can advise the government can be pulled out to minimize the "money/nominal" costs.
Such incidents are oppurtunities for innovative social change and we have very little to gain by allowing the "left" to come and fill the gap because they have little to offer except their "humane" concerns.
Prime minister Singh should start looking outside the box of development induced thru "goody-goody trade and macroeconomic policies" alone.
Best
Anmol.

[dahiyarules]

Damn, you want to create another monster to to control an existing monster. Increase government expenditure, thereby giving them an excuse to tax us more, and the result is back to square one. Its all about incentive boy. The basic reasoning that a govt employee gives for is inefficiency is that he doesnt care as long as he gets his fixed salary. And he has no personal gain from the job. Most governemnt operated departments have gone completely defunct, as they fight inefficiency and corruption.

Govrnment is not the answer dude. Government is the problem. Private solutions for Public problems is the answer.

By the way do you know any Chikara kid at your school. I think hes from Delhi suba.

[gsvijay1]

I read these lines in one of the newspaper.

"What the police encountered was not an orderly demonstration. Peaceful marchers don’t walk out with sticks and stones and the occasional spear."

I don't support the police action. There should be a better way to disperse the crowd.

[ratananmol]

Sumit:
the fact that this new police will draw from local people imparts a different character to this one, not completely monstrous/government.
Police is one area where government can not cease to exist- for example making it completly private will make it look like "ranvir senas" a brutal contest of the mighty; an equilibrium which will shift with bloodshed without any social improvement.
The panchayti raj reforms in india are an excellent platform to tie this new thing to improve local governance; something that resembles the people's private solution you have suggested.
anmol.

[vfoggy]

It was shocking to see the lathicharge being done by members of both the parties. One thing that i have not been able to understand so far is that only about a handfull of people were terminated ror suspended from thier jobs, so how come thier was a gathering of 1000's of workers. where did the workers get their latihs in such a short time? Were the workers anticipating the lathi charge by the police? if yes then the intention of the workers is very evident.

I was under the impression that India is a true democracy and it is the duty of every citizen to respect the law and law enforcers. where else in the world would you see a law enforcer being so brutally manhandled? ( i saw it on television)

We have alot of NRI members in this forum and we can all stand by the fact that getting or losing a job is a very common thing in the rest of the world. So why the fuss of 4 people being terminated in Honda in India?

This does indeed affect the image of haryana in terms of attracting FDI. Infact there have been remarks from various MNC's about the same.

There seems to be no solution to this conflict till the time the citizens of India started acting in a much more mature way and we should refrain from political inclinations for such events. This is a dark event in Haryana and should be amicably solved between all the parties concerened.

The above views are my personal views and have been influenced by what ever i saw and read in the media. Thus by writting the above i have no intention of hurting anybodys sentiments.

[dahiyarules]

Well Ratan !
There already is brutal force that exists that exploits the poor and is a tool of the powerful. Its called the Police. Ever seen these guys beat up Rahul Gandhi. But you must have seen these guys beat up an average joe off the block. I Live in a gated community, and we have private security. Theres never been a single incident since the community came up 40 years ago. On the other hand in the ghetto nearby, theres gun shots going off every night. Now thats the area the police should be protecting. And I am not talking of India, I am talking of America, which is supposed to have the most efficient and effective security agencies. And you know the best part, as the cost of private security gets diluted among the residents, its hardly a cost. But dont forget I am also paying for the police in terms of taxes. Mkae your pick.

The simple logic is the police are going to be answerable to thier immediate masters. In this case it happens to be the government.

[ratananmol]

Dear Sumit:
How will your private security act if there is murder of a member within the protected boundary? The private agency can not be an agent of the law because it can never testify in the courts nor provide the broad range of services "policing" covers or is supposed to cover.
What will a private agency do in the case of haryana incident?
Anmol.

[ramksehrawat]

Though the role of police is deplorable, the behaviour of workers too is not above par. In fact everybody seems to be at fault. Workers have every right to have a union. At the same time Management has every right to punish late comers and indisciplined workers. The whole episode will make the investors sit and think twice before deciding to invest in India. By all accounts the country is at loss.

[dahiyarules]

Dear Sumit:
How will your private security act if there is murder of a member within the protected boundary? The private agency can not be an agent of the law because it can never testify in the courts nor provide the broad range of services "policing" covers or is supposed to cover.
What will a private agency do in the case of haryana incident?
Anmol.
Well the ony reason that private security doesnt have much flexibility becuase the government has laid the monoply in te hand of its own monster called the police. IN case of a murder, it can be investigated privately, and te culprit can be apprehnded either by a network of the private security agencies or by a bounty hunter.

Sounds ubelievable haan? well even flying to the moon was unbelievable, until someone did it. Nothings posible until its actually done. And government retains the monopoly over all these areas.

I am not talking about a sudden change of structure. Its not that the courts of law and the police and everything else will disappear all of a sudden. All inefficient entitites of the government will be dealt one at a time, and would be replaced by a better privately available alternative.

Look my friend, you have to admit that government is a total failure. How much do you think you can rely on government agencies to keep your life moving. Probably you would prefer to live in a DLF aartment rather than live in a DDA apartment. You want to send your kids to Delhi Public School, rahter than Kendriya Vidyalaya. You want to bank with Citibank, rahter than bank with State Bank of India. And above all you would want to work for a respectable fortune five hundred company than work for central government, after you finish your foreign education. So, you always avail of priavtely availble alternatives over government provided alternatives, for some reasons of your ow, that I dont want to stress on. If not always, lets say in most cases. Some people say that Libertarianism is a fools paradise, but I think that inspite of providing my case against the Government, you still want to live with things the way they are then you are living in a fools paradise. Human civilization is living proof that the only reason we are where we are today is because we have improved things that were not quite right, over the years. Humans lived alone. Then they formed families. Then communities. Then tribes. Trbes became nations. Nations had monarchies. Monarchies were replaced by Democracies, Republics and Dictatiorship. And now its time for Democracies, Republics and Dictatorships to evolve into a Libertarian society, where thers private ownrship of assets, and complete liberty.Its all about evolution my friends. If not today, then tomorrow, we have to accept the reality. Govrnment will have to go.

As for the Honda case, in my case, th company would have the right to hire non-union labor. Corps. dont ahve this right yet. So there wont have been this problem in the first place. forget about any lathicharge. Keep writing.

I want you guys to ask more questions. I remmber the guy who said the arth is round, for the first time was put to death. New ideas arent taken seriously initially.

[gsvijay1]

Read this story.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=75181

[kuldeepsingh]

Dear All
Thanks a lot for very vivid comments in a free and frank manner.
There is a story of Lamb and the Lion. I request that we should not be under confusion. We cannot be with lamb and lion as well. There is a saying in Haryanvi- Sadhni bee rah jaoun aur Balaak bee Hojayavai. How it can happen?

Foreign investment at what cost ? In developed countries the poverty is on increase and unemployment is also increasing.They all have progressed on the loot of developing countries wealth.MNC's are the greatest looters of the developing countries and there is enough data to support this view point.
Well another 10 years will expose the intentuions of these civilised developed countries.
Kuldeep Singh