Hooda - Clean? - Not Really

[shrutiphogat]

I know a few people have mentioned that they know Hooda and think he is quite clean on the dowry issue. Here are a few facts that I know and hence thought should be posted here. Before I post those facts, I would like to admit that ours being a male dominated society and this being a male dominated forum, should take into consideration girl's plight as well. Conclusions should just not be based on meeting a person for 5-10 mins. A member has mentioned " A Jaatni with respect shouldn't take her in-laws to court". Where would a woman go if she is surrounded by a nasty husband and in-laws.

Facts:

1. The girl was informed within hours of marriage to bring more money. Mrs Hooda said - "We are a political family and we need money to fight elections"

2. Mr Hooda sent his son to US by taking out a loan of 20 lakhs. Mr Hooda has still to pay his phone/electricity bills of about Rs 50,000 (as mentioned in his affidavite)

3. The girl was forced to shell out money for her honeymoon. Mr Hooda's son rarely inquired about her or spoke to her while she was at their place.

4. Hooda family has dual personlity. They are very different in public.

5. The girl was asked to bring a Merc and not Esteem.

6. The girl was asked to bring her credit card, bank card, previous 2 years salary and furnish her family's property details.

7. She was harassed/humiliated in front of family members regularly.

8. Although mandatory for US visa to get spouse surname changed, Hooda's being in such influential position, didn't got it done intentionally. She was told - unless you get the money, you are not going anywhere.

9. Mr Hooda's son got his bail after he became the CM ! - Isn't this abuse of power. Inspite of the fact that any person facing criminal charges cannot leave the country, his son went back to US. What does this suggest??

Rest I leave for all the distinguished members of our Jat Community to decide.

My conclusion - you all know......

Regards

Shruti Phogat

[pup030]

Hi,

Would it not be nice, once and for all to keep things political out of this platform we have in the form of jatland.com. Besides, no matter what your political affliations are but if you look deep inside and far around you dispassionately, each of us would realise that Haryana is one of the most corrupt states. Why so? Well, gone are the days of stalwarts like Sir Choturam and instead we have political pigmies and a citizenry whose blood has gone numb and hardly ever do we think beyond I, me and myself. Everything said and done my friends, we in Haryana may be a prosperous lot and so is the state of Haryana but we have lost and failed socially and politically. Its a great human resource failure where the essence of achievement is measured by the size of your bank balance and the car you drive.
I say all the above with authority as I am a practicing lawyer and each day I see the suffering of the masses and that moves me to think beyond the usual.

The recent brutal police atrocities at Gurgaon on 25,26 July 2005 and still continuing is again a stark reminder of the truth which we all casually try to brush under the carpet. I for one in my own sphere and expertise have extended Pro bono legal aid (thats free of cost legal services) to all and any of the persons affected during the said incidents of human rights violations by Haryana Police. How could we keep mum and quiet just viewing those images passively on the Television and still call ourselves a proud people. Pun intended. Can we call ourselves a civilised and a democratic and just society? Ponder about it for a moment.

Whats really happening in Haryana and for that matter in the entire country is that we collect the garbage and filth from around the state/country, place them in the Legislative assembly/parliament and expect them to do a great job for us all. Wishful thinking, isn't it. Why are we so stupid and ignorant or do we just do not care?

Best of luck to all and hail the motherland.

Wake up my friends.

[rkumar]

I know a few people have mentioned that they know Hooda and think he is quite clean on the dowry issue. Here are a few facts that I know and hence thought should be posted here. Before I post those facts, I would like to admit that ours being a male dominated society and this being a male dominated forum, should take into consideration girl's plight as well. Conclusions should just not be based on meeting a person for 5-10 mins. A member has mentioned " A Jaatni with respect shouldn't take her in-laws to court". Where would a woman go if she is surrounded by a nasty husband and in-laws.

Facts:

1. The girl was informed within hours of marriage to bring more money. Mrs Hooda said - "We are a political family and we need money to fight elections"

2. Mr Hooda sent his son to US by taking out a loan of 20 lakhs. Mr Hooda has still to pay his phone/electricity bills of about Rs 50,000 (as mentioned in his affidavite)

3. The girl was forced to shell out money for her honeymoon. Mr Hooda's son rarely inquired about her or spoke to her while she was at their place.

4. Hooda family has dual personlity. They are very different in public.

5. The girl was asked to bring a Merc and not Esteem.

6. The girl was asked to bring her credit card, bank card, previous 2 years salary and furnish her family's property details.

7. She was harassed/humiliated in front of family members regularly.

8. Although mandatory for US visa to get spouse surname changed, Hooda's being in such influential position, didn't got it done intentionally. She was told - unless you get the money, you are not going anywhere.

9. Mr Hooda's son got his bail after he became the CM ! - Isn't this abuse of power. Inspite of the fact that any person facing criminal charges cannot leave the country, his son went back to US. What does this suggest??

Rest I leave for all the distinguished members of our Jat Community to decide.

My conclusion - you all know......

Regards

Shruti Phogat

Madam,

Your description of the events seems to portray as if you were present on the scene when all this happened. Noticing that this is your first post on Jatland indicates much more than what you are trying to convey. Like any sensible human being, most of us regreted this most unfotunate incidence. However, unless you have been a witness to entire happenings between the parties, please do not stretch your imaginations to empty your anger. Let us not fight their battle here as both the parties are already in court.

RK^2

[haryanajat]

Court mein kitnee saal lagee geen? I read somewhere that the girl stood in election against the CM and lost? and she was saying that she would fight for women's rights and all that? Ghaar ke laddaaee aab bahar aa gayee.
Ghaar mein hee rakhna chayee tha. Duniya ke liye too ek drama haee. Auur oppponents ke liyee ek hathiyaar.

Shaadi itnee muskil haee kya? babaa ree babbaa. Girlfriend banooo aauuur khuuss rahooo.

[rkumar]

Court mein kitnee saal lagee geen? I read somewhere that the girl stood in election against the CM and lost? and she was saying that she would fight for women's rights and all that? Ghaar ke laddaaee aab bahar aa gayee.
Ghaar mein hee rakhna chayee tha. Duniya ke liye too ek drama haee. Auur oppponents ke liyee ek hathiyaar.

Shaadi itnee muskil haee kya? babaa ree babbaa. Girlfriend banooo aauuur khuuss rahooo.

No wonder this is why in west they are switching over to such system. India dowry law makes life so difficult for boy and his family.

RK^2

[pup030]

Madam,

Your description of the events seems to portray as if you were present on the scene when all this happened. Noticing that this is your first post on Jatland indicates much more than what you are trying to convey. Like any sensible human being, most of us regreted this most unfotunate incidence. However, unless you have been a witness to entire happenings between the parties, please do not stretch your imaginations to empty your anger. Let us not fight their battle here as both the parties are already in court.

RK^2

Dear RK,
Well, to begin with I have issues with you trying to browbeat a young member for whom it may have been the first post. Your comments were uncalled for and lacked objectivity. Kindly, do not repeat this in the future with any other member as your having posted some 1000+ posts does not make you a know all and be all. Please do not sound so patronizing in the future.

Anyway, coming to the issue of the legal issues involved in the complaint by Mrs. Geeta Grewal nee Hooda, the sections invoked are 406, 498-A IPC, wherein, 406 IPC is the criminal breach of trust with regard to Stridhan and 498-A relates to Cruelty to a married woman by husband or relatives of the husband. The reality as I see professionaly each day as a criminal lawyer is that almost 90% of the complaints by estranged wives are false and baseless and the real objective is to extort a handsome settlement from the in laws. Now, the situation has detoriated to such an extent that different High Courts as well as the Supreme Court has time and again recorded anguish and pity on the misuse of the aforementioned legal provisions. The courts have thus started taking the complaints filed by the wives lightly owing to the prevelant misuse of the said legal provisions and in the bargain the cases where real cruelty (physical and mental) against the wife has taken place are also looked with suspicion by the courts.

The ground reality is and I too feel and understand that these laws need to be amended and the aforesaid offence ought to be made bailable and non cognizable.

Scratch the surface and you would find hapless men who have been at the receiving end and have been suffering at the hands of their wives since they have been implicated in false cases by their wives. I say all this on authority as i have been a witness to loads of cases in my practice as a criminal lawyer.

Dear RK and Shruti, pls do not take anything personally and let us make our debates and discussions richer.

Thanks.

[sukhbirsingh]

I Think its not good to add personal comment on this website . My opinion is that we should discuss something better by which We can benefit the Jat society.

[vinodks]

Though I don't much about dowry controversy(and I don't think many people in this forum do) so would remain silent regarding that but just had few points....

1) Shruti's detailed info might not be true but I also feel this forum (whole Haryana culture actually) is male dominated and in this kind of cases woman's attempt to raise voice aren't not viewed with respect...

2) Direndra says that 90% of these cases are false... I agree that lots of woman take advantage for assumed sensitivity on their part and newly obtained social freedom in newly developed urban sections... but what about those 90% rural women who go through mistreatment (abuses etc not necessarily physical) but don't even know road to the court and actually they don't want to go because of shame and pressure. All people in this forum are fairly educated and may not have witnessed such cases because large section of such families won't even know what internet is.

3) Someone said because Hooda is public figure he has right to clean his image... This statement is hypocratic, just because Hooda is CM his clean image is not more important than any other individual's right to prove himself clean... I don't think that court proceedings were carried out dispassionately after Hooda's being CM... Although I tend to agree that his personal affairs have little significance when it comes his performance as CM but its not so straigthforward, personal matters matter...

-Vinod

[rsdalal]

Why all this started agaist Mr Hooda after he became CM. Was this not a important issue before. Now he is a CM, so we should judge him for his acts as a CM. Let court decide this dowry issue. I guess you guys would not have raised anything agains Mr Hood, if Bhajan Lal would have been CM instead. What the a great support he is getting from JATS. Let him do some good work for haryana, if he does not then go ahead.

[rajeshrathee]

Why all this started agaist Mr Hooda after he became CM. Was this not a important issue before. Now he is a CM, so we should judge him for his acts as a CM. Let court decide this dowry issue. I guess you guys would not have raised anything agains Mr Hood, if Bhajan Lal would have been CM instead. What the a great support he is getting from JATS. Let him do some good work for haryana, if he does not then go ahead.


I FULLY AGREE WITH U

[rkumar]

Dear RK,
Well, to begin with I have issues with you trying to browbeat a young member for whom it may have been the first post. Your comments were uncalled for and lacked objectivity. Kindly, do not repeat this in the future with any other member as your having posted some 1000+ posts does not make you a know all and be all. Please do not sound so patronizing in the future.



Dear Dhiren,

I am sorry that my post to Shruti appeared like a browbeat to you. Trust me, same appears about your these comments..where you are almost isssuing like a court order to me..

RK^2

[dahiyarules]

Bhai baat sun meri eb..upne ko agar jiada soorma ban raha hai naa to date or jagah decide kar le...fer dekhte hain tere ltter kitne majboot hain...naam pata de de upna..tere gaon me bhi aa jaunga...and let us us leave it here..

RK^2
Tau aaj tay lath gaad de. Aaj tay fainsla ho kay rehwaga

[mukeshkumar007]

Mere angne mein tumhara kya kaam hai?????????????
ha ha ha !!!!! stylish.....


Bhai meri baat sun Shruti ko bhi aisa hi laga hoga. Just because she was a new member no one took her side.Thats unfair.

But there was nothing wrong in rajendrji reply.


Doston ye family hai koi capitalist business nahin , lets respect each one of us equally
Family mein sab barabar hote hain..

Yes yeh huwi na baat, Lakin apne mujhe thora sa confuse bi kar diya. Apne keha ki yeh family hai, Lakin jeha tak maie samjta hoo family maie youngers ko elders ko respect karna chiye... and jise language apne use ki wo to shyed hi family member ke sath use ki jati hogi ......we should respect our elder members with full honour as a family member....

[ozyjat]

ya shruti kit bahaaj gi aag laga ke!!!

Yadhe lathh baaj rahen hai ar waa bera na kit hai!!!

Tau aaj tay lath gaad de. Aaj tay fainsla ho kay rehwaga

[dahiyarules]

ha ha ha !!!!! stylish.....



But there was nothing wrong in rajendrji reply.



Yes yeh huwi na baat, Lakin apne mujhe thora sa confuse bi kar diya. Apne keha ki yeh family hai, Lakin jeha tak maie samjta hoo family maie youngers ko elders ko respect karna chiye... and jise language apne use ki wo to shyed hi family member ke sath use ki jati hogi ......we should respect our elder members with full honour as a family member....
There we go Mukesh. Thanks for ur support man. Let stand strong to protect our long standing Jat heritage and culture, nut respecting our elders. Thanks dude.

[dahiyarules]

Bhai Shruti is gone, busy fighting "male domination." Whoa ! that one was too hostile.

[rkumar]

Dont give me this hypocritic lecture bhai mukesh.
Jo karega so bharega .

Yo ganjaliya kise ho nai kuchh bhi likh de hai
ya galat baat nahin.
Yaar be fair wo ab shayad waapas bhi na aaye
bechari shruti
we lost a family member because of this guy

And you changed your ID to write just all this....????? have guts my friend and come in open...tell me who exactly you are...

RK^2

[itsnavin]

No the funniest part actually is that a man of your age and experience talks like a bimbo.
Baal ke saath saath akal bhi ud gayi lagta hai!!!!!
So many people have tried to tell you nicely but you dont listen eeb littar khake manya!!!!!!!!
I am surprised that moderators don't see these kind of posts...Don't u think this guy should be banned from posting...Is this Jatland's members behaving with other members?
Pata nahin kahan kahan se aa jatey hain aur forums mein posting shuru kar dete hain....

[dahiyarules]

I am surprised that moderators don't see these kind of posts...Don't u think this guy should be banned from posting...Is this Jatland's members behaving with other members?
Pata nahin kahan kahan se aa jatey hain aur forums mein posting shuru kar dete hain....
There we go. More support comes in for Rajinder sir. Thanks again.

Yaar wheres Shruti. Thats the million dollar question. I though that she should be here answering to all this mess.

[itsnavin]

Madam,

Your description of the events seems to portray as if you were present on the scene when all this happened. Noticing that this is your first post on Jatland indicates much more than what you are trying to convey. Like any sensible human being, most of us regreted this most unfotunate incidence. However, unless you have been a witness to entire happenings between the parties, please do not stretch your imaginations to empty your anger. Let us not fight their battle here as both the parties are already in court.

RK^2
I don't see anything wrong here...instead I would appreciate Rajender ji for trying to pacify Shruti and encouraging her to post neutral views...
It's a community forum and everyone has the right to express...but there are some ways of expressing ur views...I hope Mr. kuldeep also understands this...

[mukeshkumar007]

Dont give me this hypocritic lecture bhai mukesh.
Jo karega so bharega .
Yo ganjaliya kise ho nai kuchh bhi likh de hai
ya galat baat nahin.
Yaar be fair wo ab shayad waapas bhi na aaye
bechari shruti
we lost a family member because of this guy

Kehi wo family member aap hi to nahi ho.. :confused: :confused: :confused:



Pata nahin kahan kahan se aa jatey hain aur forums mein posting shuru kar dete hain....
Naveen Bhi aapne ek din apne apne ek post maie keha tha na ki jatlad par jo shanti hai wo tufaan ke ane ke pehle ka sanati hai .... to wo tufaan aa gaya hai....

moderator soo rehe hongee.....

[itsnavin]

Naveen Bhi aapne ek din apne apne ek post maie keha tha na ki jatlad par jo shanti hai wo tufaan ke ane ke pehle ka sanati hai .... to wo tufaan aa gaya hai....

moderator soo rehe hongee.....
Haan Mukesh..lagta hai Kuldeep mein mera sentence seriously le gya...aur yahan jatland mein kood pada...I think...usne nyon na bera ki hadey bade-bade 'khooraatt' bethey sain....

[ramksehrawat]

It appears as if the members of jatland have decided to pass judgement in the dowry case even before the court does ? Jat community is so small that you talk to anyone for 5 minutes and you are related to him. Bhai Hooda bhi apne hain aur Geeta bhi apni hi hai par is tarah public forum pe iss tarah ki language use karne se apni badnami khud kyon karwa rahe ho. Bahar wale aap ki ye langauge padh kar sari jat community ko badnam karenge. Kucch chhote bade ki sharam to honi chahiye. I urge all members to calm down. Rajendraji has been a respected and cool headed member of this forum and use of harsh words by members is really unfortunate and disgusting.

Shruti beta, this is not the way to make entry in a public forum. You may be having your own reasons to criticize one party and support the other. If you are so confident that Hoodas have done wrong to Geeta and if you have any proof of what you have written, I think the best course for you would be to be a witness in the case against Hoodas.

[ramksehrawat]

And you changed your ID to write just all this....????? have guts my friend and come in open...tell me who exactly you are...

RK^2


I think the initiative taken by Rajendraji on everybody having their photo had its merit. Photograph, name of village etc. in profile should be made compulsory.

[mukeshkumar007]

I think the initiative taken by Rajendraji on everybody having their photo had its merit. Photograph, name of village etc. in profile should be made compulsory.
Yes Uncleji, all member really should post their photo and details. In my views administrator should take needful action in this regard to avoid such accident in future...

[rkumar]

Yes Uncleji, all member really should post their photo and details. In my views administrator should take needful action in this regard to avoid such accident in future...

More than identity, it helps us to know each other more closely. As far as such incidents are concerned, I don't think we should take them to our hearts. In a large family like Jatland, such things can not be avoided completely.. Honestly it never perturbs me...LOL

RK^2

[dhruvdahiya]

I have no doubt that Mr B S hooda [CM] is a gentleman and comparatively more honest and dignified than many other who have ruled the state in past. Where is the doubt?



Due respect

[positivelook]

hello all

I would like to request to Mr. Rajender jee and Dhirender Bhaisaab that please dont take these things personal. As we all know Jatland site is a site for jats to give their views only not making decisions here. So its better everyone just give their views about tht issue and dont start personal war. So i think we already had so much talks on this dowry case against our CM tht i think we have to stop somewhere. Rahi baat court se decision aane ki toh woh bhee aata rahega.

Abhimanyu Phougat
Every single day makes me strong!

[positivelook]

hello all

I would like to request to Mr. Rajender jee and Dhirender Bhaisaab that please dont take these things personal. As we all know Jatland site is a site for jats to give their views only not making decisions here. So its better everyone just give their views about tht issue and dont start personal war. So i think we already had so much talks on this dowry case against our CM tht i think we have to stop somewhere. Rahi baat court se decision aane ki toh woh bhee aata rahega.

Abhimanyu Phougat
Every single day makes me strong!

[raj2rif]

I am amazed to see the language used by some of the members on this forum. I am also disturbed about the line of defense taken to keep the discussion out of this site.

What is wrong if this dowry case is discussed here. People have their own views on the issues and should be free to post it here. We don't want any thing that casts a shadow of doubt on our community leaders to be posted here, while we don't mind all the discussion that goes on about Mr. Gandhi and Nehru and othe leaders here.

Some times I feel, that are we really free? Let us not make some one criminal by an incident that is still to be decided in the court and at the same time let us not make some one a National Hero for about 100 days plus good governance.

As a community members I wish good luck to Mr. Hooda and hope that he sets some good example of governance to which we all can be proud of. But we must also remember that if we don't point out mistakes if he makes one, then we will be harming him rather than helping.

Criticism if it hurts it was well deserved:

Kabir Das has also said

Nindak Niere Rahkiye, Angan Kuti Chavai
Bin Sabun Pani Bina, Nirmal Kare Suhai.

What Shruti had written to start this thread was what she must have read or heard in public. What we are also writing is with the same authenticity.

Rajendra Ji, you in your reply to Shruti's Post had written that if she was the witness to the entire episode. Well we all write on this forum about the personalities and subjects that happened when we were not even born. If that be the logic of posting any thing on this forum, then probably we would only be writing personal stories rather than discussing any thing.

Whatever be the case, we need to be more tolerant and respectful to all members irrespective of his/her age. I guess the dignity and respect is dear to all of us and needs to be preserved and protected by all of us.

[dahiyarules]

Well I was just not amused by the kind of language used against the elders. This site is not just for open discussions of issues and ideas, but it is also a means of enhancing the culture and traditions that have bound together and defined the Jat community over the ages. And the basic pillar of my whole argument is that no matter what, we have to be respectful to the elders, no matter what. Once again, we must be grateful for all the highly experienced elders to even part of this forum. Wihtout them this forum is going to be like home without any foundations.

By the way I very honestly have tried quite a few times to change my picture on the profile, but it wont let me do it. I have even deleted the current picture off the file, but to no avail. I think that I will have to upload the picture to my own personal web server and give a URL on my profile, if nothing else works out.

Thanks everyone, for your worthy inputs

[rkumar]

I.........
What Shruti had written to start this thread was what she must have read or heard in public. What we are also writing is with the same authenticity.



Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

[rameshlakra]

dowry or no dowry ........par jab sey hooda saab aaye hai bahadurgarh mein tey bijali arr pani kee kasuti shortage pad gee sey.

Chautala key raaj mein 5 saal itne bijali nahi gayee jitnee in 5/6 mahina mein ja lee sey, pani ka tey katiye bhunda haal sey.

humney socha thaa hooda area ka development karawe ga par yaade te " JO THAA US TEY BHEE GAYEY"

ghana bhunda haal karegey log jey ingaaney aa gya tey...........

He has actually showed up much below expectations.

[raj2rif]

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Well, we all right on various issues as "Some Facts" including the incidents that had happened in past probably many years ago when we were born. By any one writing the language "Some Facts" does not make allegations into charges. As a successful political leader, Mr. Hooda would be subjected to many more allegations (I had written in my post earlier also), The question I am raising is of snubbing some one or not snubbing someone. We really don't know what the intent of the person would be. If a case in court does not make an allegation as an offense it also does not make allegations as baseless either. That has never been my question. What I am trying to get to is that when ever any discussion casts a shadow of doubt on our community leaders be it Mr. Hooda, Mr. Ajit Singh, Mr. Chautal or for that matter any one else, we just don't want to discuss the issue and rather discourage it. On the contratry, we don't mind mudslinging our leaders from other communities, even though they have achieved more recognition in the world than our community leaders. At that point we conclude that our leaders had not been publicised by the Brahaman/ Bania Community. In my opinion, the subject could still be discussed and if some one has the facts available then must present it and let the members make their own conclusions.
If Shruti has written the word "Some Facts" we could ask her the sources of her information. Similarly, we would request you to give some facts if available with you (I am sure probably you would be having a first hand knowledge of the case as compared to any other members because of your close relationship with Mr. Hooda).
I only hope I have been able to make my point clear. We just need information on this forum. We are not passing any judgement here. If you have any information on this issue, let us share it. Probably that would clear the doubts of many members who may have little knowledge about Mr. Hooda.

[rkumar]

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Well, we all right on various issues as "Some Facts" including the incidents that had happened in past probably many years ago when we were born. By any one writing the language "Some Facts" does not make allegations into charges. As a successful political leader, Mr. Hooda would be subjected to many more allegations (I had written in my post earlier also), The question I am raising is of snubbing some one or not snubbing someone. We really don't know what the intent of the person would be. If a case in court does not make an allegation as an offense it also does not make allegations as baseless either. That has never been my question. What I am trying to get to is that when ever any discussion casts a shadow of doubt on our community leaders be it Mr. Hooda, Mr. Ajit Singh, Mr. Chautal or for that matter any one else, we just don't want to discuss the issue and rather discourage it. On the contratry, we don't mind mudslinging our leaders from other communities, even though they have achieved more recognition in the world than our community leaders. At that point we conclude that our leaders had not been publicised by the Brahaman/ Bania Community. In my opinion, the subject could still be discussed and if some one has the facts available then must present it and let the members make their own conclusions.
If Shruti has written the word "Some Facts" we could ask her the sources of her information. Similarly, we would request you to give some facts if available with you (I am sure probably you would be having a first hand knowledge of the case as compared to any other members because of your close relationship with Mr. Hooda).
I only hope I have been able to make my point clear. We just need information on this forum. We are not passing any judgement here. If you have any information on this issue, let us share it. Probably that would clear the doubts of many members who may have little knowledge about Mr. Hooda.

Tavathia Sahab,

I am really keen that we have a debate now on the issues. I have already defined the points pertaining to the issues raised under this thread. I suppose this is what members wanted. I hope members will contribute meaningfully to the debate rather than making allegations about individuals. May be you can start with your views on the points in my post.

RK^2

[ozyjat]

I think some of our members are getting carried away here.I someone wants to discuss something please feel free to start a new thread instead of creating a sub-thread.

We have no right to discourage or disrespect someone.Shruti can have a say if she wants to and so she did, and all we can do is agree or disagree with her and post our view.We have no right to make direct comments on anyone.

A CM is a public figure.We the people of the state have the right to criticize him or applaud him.

And I personally beleive critics are your best friends.Jab Mr.CM ye case jeet jayenge tab sabke muh apne aap band ho jayenge with all due respect Rajender Uncle ji hum kis-2 ki jubaan pakrenge.Log to bolte hi hain, unka kaam hai bolna.

Ab koi bura maane to sau baar mano maine sach kaha hai aur kuchh nahin.

JAi ram ji ki
Tavathia Sahab,

I am really keen that we have a debate now on the issues. I have already defined the points pertaining to the issues raised under this thread. I suppose this is what memmers wanted. I hope member will contribute meaningfully to the debate rather than making allegations about individuals. May be you can start with your views on the points in my post.

RK^2

[dhruvdahiya]

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Well, we all right on various issues as "Some Facts" including the incidents that had happened in past probably many years ago when we were born. By any one writing the language "Some Facts" does not make allegations into charges. As a successful political leader, Mr. Hooda would be subjected to many more allegations (I had written in my post earlier also), The question I am raising is of snubbing some one or not snubbing someone. We really don't know what the intent of the person would be. If a case in court does not make an allegation as an offense it also does not make allegations as baseless either. That has never been my question. What I am trying to get to is that when ever any discussion casts a shadow of doubt on our community leaders be it Mr. Hooda, Mr. Ajit Singh, Mr. Chautal or for that matter any one else, we just don't want to discuss the issue and rather discourage it. On the contratry, we don't mind mudslinging our leaders from other communities, even though they have achieved more recognition in the world than our community leaders. At that point we conclude that our leaders had not been publicised by the Brahaman/ Bania Community. In my opinion, the subject could still be discussed and if some one has the facts available then must present it and let the members make their own conclusions.
If Shruti has written the word "Some Facts" we could ask her the sources of her information. Similarly, we would request you to give some facts if available with you (I am sure probably you would be having a first hand knowledge of the case as compared to any other members because of your close relationship with Mr. Hooda).
I only hope I have been able to make my point clear. We just need information on this forum. We are not passing any judgement here. If you have any information on this issue, let us share it. Probably that would clear the doubts of many members who may have little knowledge about Mr. Hooda.



Absolutely right you are uncle ji. No harm in discussing things in a decent manner.


Due respect

[rkumar]

All I hear is that we should discuss. However, I see not a single member adding to debate. Based upon the merits of the case, I have put up five points. Please give your views on the points. Won't that be the proper debate ? As mentioned earler, let us debate the points raised seriously before we announce the verdict.. There is no point in talking vague stuff.

RK^2

[dhruvdahiya]

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra



Respected Rajendra uncle ji,


Why get angry on small things? Here is the reply to your points:

1] No

2] No, but on conviction by a court he/she must if is worth his/her salt.

3] Depends upon the grounds advanced for seeking divorce[ criminal assault can be there,Demand of Dowry may be another and Torture may be yet another......yes in such circumstances a person should not be allowed to travel abroad in case a slight prima-faci appears.]

4] Again it should be linked to the gravity of the case, which should only be decided by court.

5] Save as in 3 above.


What next now...........Again these all points are in context of Hoodas.I have already taken a position that Unless court declares Mr B S hooda guilty, then only we should talk ill of him else we have no business to drag him out here saying he is a public figure.[in that case discuss his goodness also]... we can and must discuss any body but let us be objective and not subjective in our approach.I am sure that he is not a notorious person for sure.


Due respect

[raj2rif]

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

Dear Rajendra Ji,

In my opinion by laying down few points of discussion is only going to narrow the vision of the people discussing the issue. Such things are done in a forum where is some one is conducting a discussion and has a say in channalizing it. I personally, feel that people should be able to express themselves, without using any unparliamentry language.

You have asked certain questions in your post. All are legal questions and thus will have definite answers. If the answer is definite then there is no discussion. All we can then discuss is the law governing these questions. Any way I will try and give my opinion on the questions raised, which may or may not conform to the law of the land, since this is a personal opinion.

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

Ans: Absolutely not for allegations are not the proof of offense. However, if some one is in a position where he/she can influence the investigations, or judgement, then probably holding such a position may become unethical in the absolute term. Since our political system is such where the person making allegations may not be held accountable for the loss to the state, quitting offices merely based on allegations may not be the right thing to do. However, if some allegations were made against leaders like Mayawati, Laloo Yadav or any one who is not from our community, I am positive many of us would have wanted them to resign from their positions, so that free and fair investigations can take place. Now specifically in Mr. Hooda's case, the allegations were made prior to him becoming the CM. Thus the public by an elarge feels that he is innocent which is right thing to do at the moment. Let us assume all innocent unless proved otherwise. The best thing Mr. Hooda can do is to assist investigating agencies to speed up the finalization of this case fairly.

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

Ans: I have already answered this question along with the first question.

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

Ans: There is no harm for some one to travel abroad if a case of this nature is pending agains him/her, however, it must be ensured that person's travel abroad does not slow down the judicial process. Usually, if the case is of criminal nature, then may be court may issue order for person to stay inland.

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

Ans: Again issue of passport may not be the material thing. However if person had no plans to go abroad, at the time of offense being committed or the date of allegations of an offense being committed and if the person is suddenly trying to obtain the passport and trying to go abroad, then off course it sounds grey. May be in that case passport should only be issued by ensuring either by some kind of bail/bond that the person would be available for investigations.

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

Ans: I am of the opinion, that since the case is in the court, and we don't yet know whether the charges are merely allegations or actual offense, denying some one his / her work aborad or any where for that matter may be insjustice to him / her. However at the same time, it must be ensured that the person so involved is available for the investigations at the time and place decided by the investigating agency.

Well these are my personal views. I personally feel that the case in question can not be discussed in a question answer form. I have tried to do my best to answer these questions.

I would like to request members to post the information about the case if they have some thing available and the sources of their information to make their post meaningful. Merely by making allegations or snubbing some one would only be in bad taste.

[itsnavin]

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra
Let me express my view on the points highlighted:
1. No...ofcourse not. Court rulings in India are very lengthy and slow...in these cases there should be fast paced courts so that alleged person shouldn't suffer for long if he/she hasn't done anything worng.

2. Why not? Yes, he should be allowed. but if he's found guilt afterwards by court, his services should either be suspended or terminated as per govt. rules.

3. Again...yes. He should be allowed to travel abroad. Divorce case is not a criminal case. so...the guy can travel abroad. But he should report as soon as he's summoned by court. And if he doesn't turn up, Indian law already has enough provision to issue non-bailable warrants against that guy and get him via interpol or whatever agency. Criminals shouldn't be allowed to leave the country. It's same as they are doing with Abu Salem. It's a slow process and should be expedited.

4. Holding a Passport is a fundamental right of an Indian citizen. Why he should be deprived of this facility. But there are some pending criminal cases against the person, a police inquiry should be done to verify it and in that case it's not worth to issue a passport.

5. It depends. If the court finds out that there are some authentic eyewitnesses to the case, court may not grant bail. Granting a bail doesn't mean that the accused is freed from all allegations. Also there are some signed terms and conditions while granting a bail. These can't be easily overlooked.

Navin

[ramksehrawat]

Tavathia Sahab,

If you read her post, she starts with a sub-heading of FACTS. One cannot call something facts unless one has been either the party involved or the one on the scene. There have been few posts on the subjects and there has been no meaningful general discussion, except making allegations. Most of the people, who initiated the post and used bad language, never show up again. I am always for meaningful debates on any subject. Let there be a debate on following points;

1. Does mere allegations and filing of a case against someone make him/ her culprit?

2. Should one be allowed to hold a public office if someone has filed a court case against him/ her?

3. Should one be allowed to travel abroad if there is a divorce case filed against him/ her?

4. Should one be issued a passport if there is a court cases pending against him/ her?

5. Should someone not be given a bail in dowry case and then not allowed to travel to attend his/ her work abroad?

I am very keen that members contribute to debate on all these above points.

Regards
Rajendra

1. Everybody is innocent unless proved otherwise in a court of law.
2. No. Otherwise nobody would be able to hold any office. After every election half of the population of India would be found qued up in courts filing court cases against each other on flimsy grounds. : "Issne muje maa bahan ki gaali dee" is also a valid ground to file a case. Hence, 100% jats would become ineligible to hold office.

3. Not at all. Almost half of our film stars, businessmen, sports stars whom we worship like gods are travelling all over the world during pendency of divorce proceedings. However, care should be taken that the party travelling/residing abroad make himself/herself available whenever required to decide the case.

4. If there is no restriction on travelling, why passport be denied ?

5. If muderers are given bail, why injustice to people faced with divorce cases. Until proved guilty everyone has the right to lead normal life.

As regards discussion, we can discuss the issue of "dowry" and its adverse impact on our community. Yes, I am of the view that this evil is eating into the moral of our community. Some people stoop so low when they have a marriageable boys that they behave like arrogant beggers. However, there are some "kahndani" jats who would not accept more than what is required ritually.

However, I am of the view that unless more facts about the instant case are known to us, it is of no use to discss it further. There are certain things which are known to the concerned parties only, consummation of marriage and demand of dowry included, and only the experts i.e. doctors and courts can decide the dispute on the basis of evidence.

When we discuss about other personalities like Gandhis and Nehrus, our comments are based on the literary knowledge. We are not omnipresent and most of the time we base our arguments on what we have read or heard. But in the case of Mr. Hooda's dowry case, not sufficient information has become available in press or otherwise except the allegations. Hence, the case does not fall in the "free-for-all discussion" and it would be prudent to wait for the judgement.

[raj2rif]

However, I am of the view that unless more facts about the instant case are known to us, it is of no use to discss it further. There are certain things which are known to the concerned parties only, consummation of marriage and demand of dowry included, and only the experts i.e. doctors and courts can decide the dispute on the basis of evidence.

When we discuss about other personalities like Gandhis and Nehrus, our comments are based on the literary knowledge. We are not omnipresent and most of the time we base our arguments on what we have read or heard. But in the case of Mr. Hooda's dowry case, not sufficient information has become available in press or otherwise except the allegations. Hence, the case does not fall in the "free-for-all discussion" and it would be prudent to wait for the judgement.


Dear Sehrawat Ji,

That is exactly my point of discussion is. If you or any one else knows some thing about the case, then let us share it with members. Why stop some one from sharing the information what he / she has got from where ever he/she has got. I would rather ask those memebers about the sources of their information rather than snubbing them. And by the way why are we so sensitive on mere allegations against our community leaders?

[dhruvdahiya]

However, I am of the view that unless more facts about the instant case are known to us, it is of no use to discss it further. There are certain things which are known to the concerned parties only, consummation of marriage and demand of dowry included, and only the experts i.e. doctors and courts can decide the dispute on the basis of evidence.

When we discuss about other personalities like Gandhis and Nehrus, our comments are based on the literary knowledge. We are not omnipresent and most of the time we base our arguments on what we have read or heard. But in the case of Mr. Hooda's dowry case, not sufficient information has become available in press or otherwise except the allegations. Hence, the case does not fall in the "free-for-all discussion" and it would be prudent to wait for the judgement.


Dear Sehrawat Ji,

That is exactly my point of discussion is. If you or any one else knows some thing about the case, then let us share it with members. Why stop some one from sharing the information what he / she has got from where ever he/she has got. I would rather ask those memebers about the sources of their information rather than snubbing them. And by the way why are we so sensitive on mere allegations against our community leaders?


Respected Virendra uncle ji,

You are absolutely right and so is R K uncle ji. There is nothing to discuss on this topic as it seems being draged purposlessly.

Due respect

[mukeshkumar007]

1. Everybody is innocent unless proved otherwise in a court of law.
2. No. Otherwise nobody would be able to hold any office. After every election half of the population of India would be found qued up in courts filing court cases against each other on flimsy grounds. : "Issne muje maa bahan ki gaali dee" is also a valid ground to file a case. Hence, 100% jats would become ineligible to hold office.

3. Not at all. Almost half of our film stars, businessmen, sports stars whom we worship like gods are travelling all over the world during pendency of divorce proceedings. However, care should be taken that the party travelling/residing abroad make himself/herself available whenever required to decide the case.

4. If there is no restriction on travelling, why passport be denied ?

5. If muderers are given bail, why injustice to people faced with divorce cases. Until proved guilty everyone has the right to lead normal life.

As regards discussion, we can discuss the issue of "dowry" and its adverse impact on our community. Yes, I am of the view that this evil is eating into the moral of our community. Some people stoop so low when they have a marriageable boys that they behave like arrogant beggers. However, there are some "kahndani" jats who would not accept more than what is required ritually.

However, I am of the view that unless more facts about the instant case are known to us, it is of no use to discss it further. There are certain things which are known to the concerned parties only, consummation of marriage and demand of dowry included, and only the experts i.e. doctors and courts can decide the dispute on the basis of evidence.

well said uncleji,

[sumitsehrawat]

Dear Dhiren,

I am sorry that my post to Shruti appeared like a browbeat to you. Trust me, same appears about your these comments..where you are almost isssuing like a court order to me..

RK^2

"Your description of the events seems to portray as if you were present on the scene when all this happened."

"Noticing that this is your first post on Jatland indicates much more than what you are trying to convey."

Only if a neutral opinion was asked for, let me give mine.....

1. Rajendraji, I too felt the way Dhiren felt.
2. Dhiren's statements did not sound like a court order.

and yes.....

"India dowry law makes life so difficult for boy and his family. "
What about the girl and her family??? ....their suffering ?????

regards,
$umit

[karans]

bhai ye sab padh ke to yun lagge ki Jat Hooda ko hata ke rahenge. Pakka Bhajan Lal awega do char mahenne me. manne to sharam aawe se bhai en jattan ki bhasa padh ke. Bollan ki tameez tak konnya. tabhi to sab nafrat kran se mahre se.

Karan

[sumitsehrawat]

bhai ye sab padh ke to yun lagge ki Jat Hooda ko hata ke rahenge. Pakka Bhajan Lal awega do char mahenne me. manne to sharam aawe se bhai en jattan ki bhasa padh ke. Bollan ki tameez tak konnya. tabhi to sab nafrat kran se mahre se.

Karan

let me tell you this, nobody hates us ....its just we have developed this mentality. Its pretty sad dude.
:-(
n yes, I dont think i 'ever' wrote anything sub-standard.


$umit

[karans]

Meri samajh main nyu na aanti CM individual kyukar ho gya, marya susra kaal tahin to bote mangta handya karta ghar ghar, Arr wo to mhari state nai represent kara hai, to individual kit ka rhya.
Isliye bhaiyon aur bahanon jisne jo kahna ho kaho jo likhna ho likho koye rokaniya nahin.

Bhai teri battan padh ke to manne Jatton pe sharam aan lagee. Tere jissa gadha to manne aaj tak ne dekha jo CM ko bhi Susra keh sakke hai. Tu katai peeche ka lagge hai manne.

Karan

[itsnavin]

Meri samajh main nyu na aanti CM individual kyukar ho gya, marya susra kaal tahin to bote mangta handya karta ghar ghar, Arr wo to mhari state nai represent kara hai, to individual kit ka rhya.
Isliye bhaiyon aur bahanon jisne jo kahna ho kaho jo likhna ho likho koye rokaniya nahin.
Bhai Kuldeep
Iss dowry ke case mein, CM is an individual. Ms. Geeta Grewal has filed a complaint against Hooda and family not against Haryana. Also, court will treat him like individual not as CM. I think, if Mr. Hooda wants to close this case, he can do it in minutes as he's everything now(Power & access to judiciary etc) but I think he wants fair judgement from Court. Let's see...who is guilty?

[ramksehrawat]

To me, Hooda Sahab looks a potential threat to Mallika Sherawat for being the most discussed personality on Jatland. LOL...

[raj2rif]

Meri samajh main nyu na aanti CM individual kyukar ho gya, marya susra kaal tahin to bote mangta handya karta ghar ghar, Arr wo to mhari state nai represent kara hai, to individual kit ka rhya.
Isliye bhaiyon aur bahanon jisne jo kahna ho kaho jo likhna ho likho koye rokaniya nahin.

Dear Mr. Kuldeep Singh

That is the problem with us. We can not digest the freedom. Freedom of speech does not mean that we use unparliamentry language for others whether they are present to defend themselves here or not. The language we use for others reflects our own personalty. I would appreciate if we can confine ourselves to the dignified language. You can post your views, but kindly use dignified language. It is a request and I am sure you would appreciate it.

[achalsingh]

Bhai baat sun meri eb..upne ko agar jiada soorma ban raha hai naa to date or jagah decide kar le...fer dekhte hain tere ltter kitne majboot hain...naam pata de de upna..tere gaon me bhi aa jaunga...and let us us leave it here..

RK^2
Your contribution to this site and for a national cause (cancer hospital) is great.Pl dont let yourself down by unjustified post by the members- just ignore them.
Also , in your earlier post /thread you had credited present government for the infrastructure development like highways,canals etc that is due to your affliation towards Congress.
Regards -Achal Singh

[rkumar]

Your contribution to this site and for a national cause (cancer hospital) is great.Pl dont let yourself down by unjustified post by the members- just ignore them.
Also , in your earlier post /thread you had credited present government for the infrastructure development like highways,canals etc that is due to your affliation towards Congress.
Regards -Achal Singh


Achal Singh Ji,

It really hurts when not so useful issues are debated in great length and breadth and good deeds of the same very people find little mention. Not a word of praise for Mr Hooda when he got Honda workers issue sorted our within few days. Not a word on how media played dirty during Gurgaon violence reprting. All we have time is to dig old news paper reports and posting allegations against a person. Any way its upto members to say what all they wish to say. I have decided to keep away from all such threads. I will try to focus only something more constructive.

Thanks and Regards
Rajendra

[achalsingh]

Achal Singh Ji,

It really hurts when not so useful issues are debated in great length and breadth and good deeds of the same very people find little mention. Not a word of praise for Mr Hooda when he got Honda workers issue sorted our within few days. Not a word on how media played dirty during Gurgaon violence reprting. All we have time is to dig old news paper reports and posting allegations against a person. Any way its upto members to say what all they wish to say. I have decided to keep away from all such threads. I will try to focus only something more constructive.

Thanks and Regards
Rajendra
Yes, media had played the dirty role in gurgaon case. A senior police officer is bitten by so called peaceful demonstraters that led to police assault.The scope of trade unions ,dharnas had to be discussed/debated in this industralised world.Regards-Achal Singh

[ramksehrawat]

More than half the battle has been won by Hooda Sahab. A man guilty of the charges as have been levelled against him would never appear in person in the court that too when he is holding such an important post.

[devdahiya]

More than half the battle has been won by Hooda Sahab. A man guilty of the charges as have been levelled against him would never appear in person in the court that too when he is holding such an important post.


SEhrawat sahab.....please don't get bogged down in dhoondh. Mr BS hooda is a gentleman and a simple soul. Yahan log tamasha kar rahe hein. You R bang on target. Keep it up!


LIKE YOU HELL OF A LOT

[devdahiya]

let me tell you this, nobody hates us ....its just we have developed this mentality. Its pretty sad dude.
:-(
n yes, I dont think i 'ever' wrote anything sub-standard.


$umit


thERE ARE SOME DIRTY ELEMENT WHO WANT TO SETTLE THEIR PERSONAL SCORES WITH jatland. kICK THEM PLEASE. dON'T BEG AS JATS DON'T DO THAT.kICK SUCH ELEMENTS AND THEY WILL VANISH. Bang on regardless.



Remain in high spirits......it is our site. be proud of it!

[dreamz0802]

gud-de everyone,

I just wanna add few more bits-n-bytes to this war of words that plz. don`t reply to any of such filthy threads and instead we should just keep on providing our views on good affairs rather then pulling each other legs with having our own pants down to ground.......

"issey maanas tau behind da scene hi bol aur rah saktey hain, ar jey aisseey ko kahin bhi haque ki baat karni pad jaye tau 20-30 rupaiyee de K kam kadhwawe ga, ya fer kutt chhit K jaata rawhega....

So plz. don`t even bother about such threads and they will vanish themselves or just limit `em to themselves...

Cheers everyone 0(";")0

[devdahiya]

gud-de everyone,

I just wanna add few more bits-n-bytes to this war of words that plz. don`t reply to any of such filthy threads and instead we should just keep on providing our views on good affairs rather then pulling each other legs with having our own pants down to ground.......

"issey maanas tau behind da scene hi bol aur rah saktey hain, ar jey aisseey ko kahin bhi haque ki baat karni pad jaye tau 20-30 rupaiyee de K kam kadhwawe ga, ya fer kutt chhit K jaata rawhega....

So plz. don`t even bother about such threads and they will vanish themselves or just limit `em to themselves...

Cheers everyone 0(";")0


Bhai re Kutyan ke bare mei Lakh rapiye ki baat keh di. Shabash chhore!

[raj2rif]

Bhai re Kutyan ke bare mei Lakh rapiye ki baat keh di. Shabash chhore!

Dear Dev Dahiya Ji,

First of all welcome back to the site. Nice to see you appearing after a long gap. However I am disappointed by your recent posts. Most of them are abusive in nature and do not confirm to your own views that you expressed in the thread "A request" which itself is not visible to me today.

I would say, since you appreciate what Mr. Sangwan has said, then shouldn't you follow that. Just concentrate on contributing your views on the subject matter rather than attacking an individual.

This is my request to you please.

[ramksehrawat]

SEhrawat sahab.....please don't get bogged down in dhoondh. Mr BS hooda is a gentleman and a simple soul. Yahan log tamasha kar rahe hein. You R bang on target. Keep it up!


LIKE YOU HELL OF A LOT


Thanks Dahiya Sahab. Par ibb pher chale mat jaana aur jaldi se gussa thook kar apni original form mein aa jaiye. Aapki kavitaon ko taras gaye hain. Yeh sach hai ki gusse mein koi kisi ko phool mala nahin pahnata par aapki jo tasvir hum logon ke jahan mein hai uske saath gussa kucch jachta nahin. Iss tarahan ki language kuchch der gusse tak to theek hai par kamjori ki nissani hai aur I am sure hamare Dev Dahiyaji definitely kamjor nahin hain.

[ratheetheraist]

Chautala key raaj mein 5 saal itne bijali nahi gayee jitnee in 5/6 mahina mein ja lee sey, pani ka tey katiye bhunda haal sey.

humney socha thaa hooda area ka development karawe ga par yaade te " JO THAA US TEY BHEE GAYEY"

ghana bhunda haal karegey log jey ingaaney aa gya tey...........

He has actually showed up much below expectations.

lakra bhaii saabb ki bhii suniiyoo ree bhaaiyoo tumm ekk beyy...............fer dubaraa thaaiyoo apney bigull.........:eek:;);)