Mumbai floods: Not a word of grief from Jatlanders

[karans]

So much life has been lost in Mumbai floods during last few days and there is not a word of grief from Jatlanders. Last 10-15 days have seen so much of devastation in India if one adds up all the events. India has lost its biggest oil production jig. On the other hand we have lots of useless threads like agar Jat ne hotte, Hoodas in dowry case etc. Do jats have no stakes in Mumbai ? Do Jats do not need oil? When I raised my concerns in one of my post that 95% of the posts here are useless, Col Tavathia initiated a thread on Inda's defence. His thread has received hardly few responces. where as useless threads like agar jat ne hotte, hooda dowry, mallika etc are flooded with equally uselss responses. We are showing mob mentality here and contributing nothing but cyber garbage.

Wake up guys. Shake up your conciousness.

Karan

[dahiyars]

Dear Karan

Well in time taken up issue. Hope if there are some members in bombay and they have some social organisation we can help the needy there of course all of them will not be Jats. I am ready to contribute my due if others also join us.
With regards

Dr. R. S. Dahiya

[spdeshwal]

I pray for the safety of the all jats in and around Bombay. I hope all the Jatland members and thier families including our Colnel Malik, Harvinder Malik, Ashwani Chodhry, Dhru& his Dad and their families are safe and in good health

Col Sahab, could you please contact a friend of mine Jagjeet Shanshanwal who lives in Shere Punjab, Andheri East and find out his well being. I tried to contact him but failed.He was associated with Jat Sabha for Long. His Phone no is 28383772. I hope, his tel no is still the same

Cheers and best wishes!!


Sateypal

[rkumar]

While I feel very sad for the people affected by these floods, I feel deep anguish that our financial capital which contributes maximum tax, houses Atomic Energy establishment, Naval Head Quarters, Film Industry and many more, has been made to decay so badly. Indian government wanted to convert Mumbai into Shanghai. Now we know how far we are from that grand dream.

Nation should hang its head in shame. However, if still some shame is left, it should take an oath on the behalf of all those dead that we will never let such events happen and we will work really hard to make Mumbai truly a word class city.

Rajendra

[ramksehrawat]

It's a pity that today we are facing floods and a few days later there will be cries for water ? Nature is nature, rains and the resultant floods cannot be helped but at least we could conserve the water so that there is no shortage of it during non-rainy season. The rains play havoc and our poor water management leaves us thirsty for the rest of the year. Nature is playing its role perfectly but we are lacking in ours. I am reminded of a jattu saying : "len-den mein kasar na chhodi, age beti bhag tera". Kya karen is beti i.e. Bharat ki janta ke bhag mein to shayad har taraf se dookh hi dookh likhe hain. Charon taraf pani hi pani aur peene ko ek boond nahin.

[gaganjat]

Ghana ae burra hoya.

[devdahiya]

While I feel very sad for the people affected by these floods, I feel deep anguish that our financial capital which contributes maximum tax, houses Atomic Energy establishment, Naval Head Quarters, Film Industry and many more, has been made to decay so badly. Indian government wanted to convert Mumbai into Shanghai. Now we know how far we are from that grand dream.

Nation should hang its head in shame. However, if still some shame is left, it should take an oath on the behalf of all those dead that we will never let such events happen and we will work really hard to make Mumbai truly a word class city.

Rajendra


i admire your concern sir. keep it up!

[shailendra]

Some of the excerpts I picked out from an article in the BBC website:

Disaster a result of Bad Urban Planning in Mumbai
Mangroves cleared
The systematic destruction of about 1,000 acres of the city's mangrove cover - what's left, about 5,000 acres, is under threat - has deprived Mumbai of its natural flood-barrier and silt trap.
Horror stories abound of urban welfare projects gone terribly awry.
A World Bank-funded urban transport project has cut away hillsides, dumping debris on the city's wetlands.
Mangroves have been cleared to build golf courses, amusement parks and rubbish dumps.
Building construction is planned even on 5,400 acres of salt pan land.
"In the post-tsunami scenario, this is plain lunacy," says Debi Goenka, executive trustee of Conservation Action Trust, an environmental NGO.
Drains choked
It's not just the "no-development zones" that have fallen prey to the frenzy of unplanned building.
Successive state governments have signed off lands reserved for parks on the pretext of housing the poor.
In fact, the replacement of low-lying slums with multi-storey buildings has made the city a concrete jungle.
Typically, 35-40% of rainwater is absorbed by the land, lifting groundwater levels, but there are few open spaces left in Mumbai.

India has the lowest ratio of open space to people in the world - a mere four acres per 1,000 of population, compared to the global benchmark of 12 acres.

In Mumbai, this falls to a paltry 0.2 acres, and after accounting for slums, it diminishes to a measly 0.03 acres.
An unholy nexus between politicians and builders and unfettered development has brought the city to the brink of collapse, environmentalists say.
Mumbai's development plan is obsolete in the face of such unfettered urban growth, they allege.
Thousands of tonnes of uncleared rubbish choke the city's 100-year-old storm water drains, which urgently need an overhaul.

And in a city where 88% of commuters use public transport, governments spend a lot on flyovers and a pittance on upgrading creaky trains and buses.

'Urban collapse'
Environmentalists say the only city in the world with a quarter of its land area designated as a national park is on a suicide mission.
Bittu Sahgal calls it "a case study for the collapse of urbania in India".
Can it get any bleaker? Debi Goenka certainly thinks so. If Mumbai's unprecedented rainfall is an early warning of global warming and rising sea levels, the city will "become an island again, be it with rain water or sea water".

[devdahiya]

Some of the excerpts I picked out from an article in the BBC website:

Disaster a result of Bad Urban Planning in Mumbai
Mangroves cleared
The systematic destruction of about 1,000 acres of the city's mangrove cover - what's left, about 5,000 acres, is under threat - has deprived Mumbai of its natural flood-barrier and silt trap.
Horror stories abound of urban welfare projects gone terribly awry.
A World Bank-funded urban transport project has cut away hillsides, dumping debris on the city's wetlands.
Mangroves have been cleared to build golf courses, amusement parks and rubbish dumps.
Building construction is planned even on 5,400 acres of salt pan land.
"In the post-tsunami scenario, this is plain lunacy," says Debi Goenka, executive trustee of Conservation Action Trust, an environmental NGO.
Drains choked
It's not just the "no-development zones" that have fallen prey to the frenzy of unplanned building.
Successive state governments have signed off lands reserved for parks on the pretext of housing the poor.
In fact, the replacement of low-lying slums with multi-storey buildings has made the city a concrete jungle.
Typically, 35-40% of rainwater is absorbed by the land, lifting groundwater levels, but there are few open spaces left in Mumbai.

India has the lowest ratio of open space to people in the world - a mere four acres per 1,000 of population, compared to the global benchmark of 12 acres.

In Mumbai, this falls to a paltry 0.2 acres, and after accounting for slums, it diminishes to a measly 0.03 acres.
An unholy nexus between politicians and builders and unfettered development has brought the city to the brink of collapse, environmentalists say.
Mumbai's development plan is obsolete in the face of such unfettered urban growth, they allege.
Thousands of tonnes of uncleared rubbish choke the city's 100-year-old storm water drains, which urgently need an overhaul.

And in a city where 88% of commuters use public transport, governments spend a lot on flyovers and a pittance on upgrading creaky trains and buses.

'Urban collapse'
Environmentalists say the only city in the world with a quarter of its land area designated as a national park is on a suicide mission.
Bittu Sahgal calls it "a case study for the collapse of urbania in India".
Can it get any bleaker? Debi Goenka certainly thinks so. If Mumbai's unprecedented rainfall is an early warning of global warming and rising sea levels, the city will "become an island again, be it with rain water or sea water".



I AM AT MUMBAI AND KNOW IT WELL AS TO WHO IS POSTING WHAT AND WHY? YOU ARE BANG ON TARGET SHAILENDRA DEAR. KEEP IT UP! WE ALL JATS ARE FINE HERE. JAGMOHAN SIR SE COMMUNICATION KONYA HUYA. JAGMOHAN SIR THEEK SO NA? JAWAB JAROOR DIYO.

[jagmohan]

Dear All,

I am working in FIAT INDIA and our plant is located in Kurla (W), Mumbai. We are located in one of the depressions and just a Kilometer from where most of the devastation occured. Our factory was under SEVEN feet of water. The losses have been incalculable. Besides major losses to our equipment and paint shop, we lost a Fireman from my department (Industrial Security) who drowned. His body was found after four days ie on 29 Jul 2005. He had actually left the premises at 2.30 PM after first shift on 26 Jul 2005. He stayed at Ghatkopar Station till 8.30 PM, after which he came back to the factory and may be he tried to enter the premises from a small gate that is usually closed after dark. As to why he came back to the company remains a mystery. GOD only knows whether he was wanting to help or came back to take shelter.

The reason for unprecedented rains on 26 Jul 2005 may have been GOD but the devastation that occured was due to a total lack of any foresight on the part of Mumbai's administrators. The story is too long and painful to be told.

I had to remain in the company premises for almost a week to save property and that was the reason of my absence from JATLAND. Even now our servers are down and we are recovering.

Thanks for all those who thought about me and others in Mumbai.

Regards,

JS Malik

[shailendra]

....I am re-igniting this post again (after coming across it by accident)!

Of course no gusses why, this post from last year could almost be this months!.....the question really this time is: Did we really learn anything from all that happened an year ago?

Mumbai, was flooded again by just the start of the fresh onset of monsoons!

Following some discussions at the Desi channels on the Dish here I tried to follow closely on what was being discussed by expert panels and forums....also what is frustrating is that apparently huge sums of money were poured into the rehabilitation after that disaster of last year......TO SHOW WHAT???
No doubt the money was all sucked up by the system!.......Again, right?

Can we never learn from mistakes, and/or have the decency to direct the money towards the right channels?

The discussion on the forums were long and even pointed to how the design of even the new roads (or repaving) is doomed and is always gonna get such obvious results....no proper drainage sewer/gutter system, .....on top of that not to mention no solid-waste and garabage disposal system of any kind implemented by the govt. that could have worked wonders on the clogged drains, obviously from the citizenery throwing away stuff on the roads and near homes!

Probably members living in Mumbai (and well, all members for that matter) could throw some more light on what is going wrong here???

[jagmohan]

Dear Shail,

Although I left Mumbai on 22 Jun I can imagine the conditions there. I keep speaking to friends in the factory where I worked. Nothing has changed. Only few politicians and contractors have become richer by making money through last years contracts. There was water logging at the same places. And it will happen again next year.

To divert the attention of people from these problems some idiot desecrated the statue of Bal Thakeray's late wife. We all know what happened thereafter.

Manmohan Singh is saying he would make a Shanghai there.

Ram Ram,

JS Malik