View Full Version : Poor Performance by Cricketers: What are the Options?
raj2rif
August 5th, 2005, 09:34 AM
The Indian Cricketers have taken off from where they had left during last season. The couple of months break seems to have done no good to them. The aggressive approach taken by the new coach in changing the batting order too often and opting out of new players seems to have had a negative impact on some players who till now thought of their positions being safe even with out performing.
No doubt the team selected is probably is the best available, but they seems to be lacking in mental mobility and improvisations. Sehwag continues to give his wicket away to bad shots while others have done no better. Laxman has been painstakingly slow in his only match. In any case he has never been my favourite for one day games inspite of few hundreds under his belt. India needs to settle down for couple of matches with a stable batting order. Considering the type of wicket that is available, my preference for the playing 11 would be as under:
Sehwag
Ganguly
Dravid
Suresh Raina/Venugopal Rao
M.S. Dhoni
Md. Kaif
JP Yadav (I guess he bowls as well)/Harbhajan Singh
Irfan Pathan
Anil Kumble
Laxmipathi Balaji/Zaheer Khan
Ashish Nehra
12th Man: Yuvraj Singh
The strategy should be that one of the opener should drop down anchor while other is firing. Dravid and Ganguly needs to play a long innings. Sehwag and Dhoni are talented but need to show maturity. So is the case with Suresh Raina. I would prefer Kaif lower down the order as he has more experience then Dhoni and Raina. It is important for one of the experienced batsman coming lower down the order.
Dravid needs to be alert in utilizing his options specially when the chips are down. Some times unorthodox moves pay rich dividends. He should not be predictable to the opposition. I am sure with little application they can do much better.
itsnavin
August 5th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Whatever...we are in desperate need of an allrounder...who can bowl 5-6 over with good economy and carry forward the innings in the middle order...We cannot afford to play 5 specialist bowlers with Dhoni as keeper...in that case we are left with 5 specialist batsmen which I feel is not good.
Further I don't understand why India can't make fast pitches. Is there any technical problem? Also, why India lacks leg spinners?
raj2rif
August 5th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Whatever...we are in desperate need of an allrounder...who can bowl 5-6 over with good economy and carry forward the innings in the middle order...We cannot afford to play 5 specialist bowlers with Dhoni as keeper...in that case we are left with 5 specialist batsmen which I feel is not good.
Further I don't understand why India can't make fast pitches. Is there any technical problem? Also, why India lacks leg spinners?
It is a false notion that we can't play with five specialist bowlers, and need an extra batsman. Imagine if 5 specialist fail what is the guarantee that 6th one will succeed. Dhoni may not be a specialist batsman but he does have the talent to be one. All that is needed to groom him as an all rounder. Irfan Pathan is coming up as another one, but both Irfan and Dhoni must concentrate on their first job i.e. bowling and keeping first. If we really can't afford or really don't want to experiment with the 5 bowlers, then probably, we need to ensure that Ganguly, Raina and Sehwag all are given basic lessons to improve their bowling capabilities to see through those magic 10 overs in the middle. Yuvraj is another person who bowls and needs to be told to improve on his bowling as well. In any case he is going through a poor run with bat and may find it difficult to retain his place.
itsnavin
August 5th, 2005, 06:18 PM
In practical terms, it's difficult to accomodate 5 specialist bowlers in a one day squad how good the batting side it may be. Tail becomes very weak in that case.
Why to waste energy in who should play or who shouldn't...I think it all starts from selection..When we can have an Australian coach, why can't we have professional attitude like theirs. Why can't we drop someone who is not performing since long...like Yuvraj/Ganguly. Kuch le kar thoda khaa rakha hai unse...Let them play some first class cricket and if he's capable he'll come back with his performance. Selection committee should be very particular and strict about it.
Overall problem is: we are born batsman than bowlers...we need to produce bowlers now...
deepakchoudhry
August 5th, 2005, 06:30 PM
BCCI should be looking at the future. Drop older players and give new players a chance (with the exception of Kumble).
Saurav / Sachin days are over.
Start giving new blood a chance.
But are they listening !!!
In this tournament, They should play Kumble, he will deliver plus he can bat as well. Quick fire 20 or 30 is more beneficial than 50 off 100 balls !!!
raj2rif
August 7th, 2005, 10:44 PM
The shortage of the fifth bowler was once again felt in all important against West Indies. Playing without their most experienced batsman and skipper, West Indies put up an excellent show of resiliance and determination so missing among the Indian Camp. Nice to see Yuvraj and Kaif among runs, but what about Sehwag (Mr. Dana Ram Ji Would be very disappointed with the Nawab of Nazafgarh) and Laxman. If that is the score they are giving consistently, I would rather get those many runs from the willow of Suresh Raina or Venugopal Rao for they are plus 30 runs when enter the field.
It is nice to see Kumble being part of the team. While Harbhajan may be very good, in my opinion he is highly over rated. I guess, our immidiate problem is the opening pair. While looking for the partner for Sehwag, he himself is struggling for form. Being 5 down for less than 100, West Indies almost won the match. Similar was the case against Sri Lanka, where Mahela Jayawardhne exploited the weakness of the fifth bowler that India does not want to field.
I hope the Coach and the Captain do some soul searching, to find the right combination for the next match. Even though technically, India won the match against this West Indies side, I don't think they would be very happy in their heart with the margin and under the circumstances they have won it, if they are true professionals.
itsnavin
August 9th, 2005, 01:48 PM
Tavathia ji,
Today India is playing with 5 specialist bowlers. I think they heard you.
To me, the batting looks a bit weaker...Let's see how they perform...
good luck to Indian team..specially to Sehwag to come out of his poor form...Nehra is already shining...
gaganjat
August 9th, 2005, 02:41 PM
We can never be sure about Indian Cricket team's performance.
Its the most inconsistent and unprofessional team.
No matter you train them with different coaches, keep psychologists or any other method.
They have never improved their fitness, techniques etc. I think players like ganguly cant even jog 2 kms non-stop.
They have a habit of giving up easily and playing according to their 'mood'.
itsnavin
August 9th, 2005, 04:54 PM
Gagan...u r somewhat right...
aaj 5 bowlers liye hain...aur aaj lanka wale inki issi-tissi kar ke choddengey..
Total: 195-4 (38) | Curr. RR: 5.13
raj2rif
August 10th, 2005, 07:40 AM
Gagan...u r somewhat right...
aaj 5 bowlers liye hain...aur aaj lanka wale inki issi-tissi kar ke choddengey..
Total: 195-4 (38) | Curr. RR: 5.13
This team has let us down. Catches win matches and you drop the catches and you loose the matches. Dhoni dropped two most important catches. I believe the wicket was a perfect batting wicket and hence there is no reason why our batsman could not get the requisite runs. Probably Dravid and Ganguly were too slow and wasted the start given by Sehwag.
On the bowling front, I don't know why are we insisting with Zaheer inspite of continous poor performances. I am personally of the opinion that we should have some variety and thus a right hander pacer would have been a welcome change. Our think tank did not play 5 bowler on a bowling track and played them on a batting track. Any way, the batsman again let us down. On the bowling front Kumble was disappointing on this day.
itsnavin
August 10th, 2005, 12:44 PM
On the bowling front, I don't know why are we insisting with Zaheer inspite of continous poor performances. I am personally of the opinion that we should have some variety and thus a right hander pacer would have been a welcome change.
I also feel the same. I think Balaji would have been a better option.
I yesterday's game, I feel that when Ganguly got out, Pathan should have been promoted with only thought that he has to hit the ball...not to defend. Yuvraj batted poorly and so did Ganguly. I think Ganguly is not doing what he's supposed to do as opener. It's not a test match..you have to score runs as well. I think he's become more cautious fearing that he might not get out cheaply.
In my views, this India team should be reshuffled and kick out the poor performers!
raj2rif
August 11th, 2005, 07:49 PM
I also feel the same. I think Balaji would have been a better option.
I yesterday's game, I feel that when Ganguly got out, Pathan should have been promoted with only thought that he has to hit the ball...not to defend. Yuvraj batted poorly and so did Ganguly. I think Ganguly is not doing what he's supposed to do as opener. It's not a test match..you have to score runs as well. I think he's become more cautious fearing that he might not get out cheaply.
In my views, this India team should be reshuffled and kick out the poor performers!
Actually no one in the team is doing what he is suppose to do. I guess each one of them has become his own coach and captain. That is a sad state of affairs. Sehwag after getting 26 runs in one over should have concentrated on playing more overs rather than treating each over like that one. So inspite of scoring 48 of 20 balls he did do a dis-service to the team's cause. As the VC of the team, he needs to be more responsible. He needs to use his head more if he in expecting to lead the side one day. About Ganguly and Dravid, less said is better. I had not been very impressed about Dravid's leadership in the past nor I am impressed by his leadership now. A captain who can find comfort with the idea of running close to the winner is likely to be a looser more often than not. I think to that extent Ganguly would have done a better job with the same outfit. The biggest disappointment is Dhoni behind the stumps. He must realize that he is first a wicketkeeper than a batsman. There is no point in him scoring 30 odd runs if he drops all important catches of Jayasurya and Jayawardhne. Ashish Nehra bowled his heart out and got practically no support from other end. I think Sehwag, Harbhajan and party needs to talk less and deliver more.
mukeshkumar007
August 12th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Actually no one in the team is doing what he is suppose to do. I guess each one of them has become his own coach and captain. That is a sad state of affairs. Sehwag after getting 26 runs in one over should have concentrated on playing more overs rather than treating each over like that one. So inspite of scoring 48 of 20 balls he did do a dis-service to the team's cause. .................................... The biggest disappointment is Dhoni behind the stumps. He must realize that he is first a wicketkeeper than a batsman. There is no point in him scoring 30 odd runs if he drops all important catches of Jayasurya and Jayawardhne. ....I think Sehwag, Harbhajan and party needs to talk less and deliver more.
Yeh nahi sudrene wale uncleji, Ab to inko khelte huwe dekne ka bi jee nahi karta...........
deepakdahiya
August 12th, 2005, 03:58 PM
bilkul thek keh rahe ho mukesh bhai......
mere to bhai ghar pe bhi sister se ladae ho jate he.......kyoki..
mere bhen ji har match me ye nahi puchte...ke aaj kiske saath india ka match
he wo to ye puchte he ke ..." AAJ INDIA KIS SE HAREGA " ....
haan privious world cup se thode umid hue the ke aagla hamara he chance he.....per but.... per bas kya kahu har jagha ye par par or but but ad jata he .....like " BAKI SAB THE THA PER............SAHWAG JALDI OUT HO GAYA OR IRFAN KO KOI WICKET NAHI MILE NAHI TO MATCH TO APNE HE FAVOUR ME THA.. " like that always :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
OR BHAI rahe khae kesar ish politics ne puri kar di...........cricket me aake....
ab pata nahi aagla captain kon hoga.........per agar aise he chalta raha to agla match jarur harege.......... :D :D :D
baki bhagwan ki marji................kyuki bhagwan india me he he......or it/every impossible things happens only in INDIA ;) ;) :D
ram bache......kareo bhagwan INDIAN team ka bhala
____Deepak Dahiya____
*****Jai Mata Di*****
Yeh nahi sudrene wale uncleji, Ab to inko khelte huwe dekne ka bi jee nahi karta...........
mukeshkumar007
August 12th, 2005, 04:35 PM
mere bhen ji har match me ye nahi puchte...ke aaj kiske saath india ka match
he wo to ye puchte he ke ..." AAJ INDIA KIS SE HAREGA " ....
Ha ha ha :D :D I have also a fight with my friends on the same point.
" BAKI SAB THE THA PER............SAHWAG JALDI OUT HO GAYA OR IRFAN KO KOI WICKET NAHI MILE NAHI TO MATCH TO APNE HE FAVOUR ME THA.. " like that always
Ab yaar kisi tehre se dil ko tasali to deni hi parti hai na :)
ram bache......kareo bhagwan INDIAN team ka bhala
Ha Bhagwan to hai..... wo hi kuch kare to baat ho nahi to inke barose to match dekna hi band kar dena behtar hoga.....
By the way as I think Dravid is a strong bat but can not be a good captain. In this matter my vote goes for the Ganguly. He is really a agressive captain. Some people says that Sehwag should be replaced as a captain but I don't think he deserve it. Dhoni also should pay attention on his keeping as Col Uncleji said.
mukeshkumar007
August 12th, 2005, 05:59 PM
Lo bhi ban gaya Ganguly fir se Captain.......
http://www.ndtv.com/sports/cricket/showstory.asp?section=topstory&id=17522&template=&slug=Ganguly+to+lead+India+on+Zimbabwe+tour
I hope this time He will do more better than his previous achievement with good bating........
raj2rif
August 14th, 2005, 08:04 AM
Lo bhi ban gaya Ganguly fir se Captain.......
http://www.ndtv.com/sports/cricket/showstory.asp?section=topstory&id=17522&template=&slug=Ganguly+to+lead+India+on+Zimbabwe+tour
I hope this time He will do more better than his previous achievement with good bating........
I think considering the performance of Dravid as Captain in the recently concluded series, it was expected that a change would occure. Since Ganguly did not do too well with bat this may be his last chance to remain in the team. The BCCI is bending rules for the senior players which is not a good sign. If Sachin is not fit, then the place should have been given to any new player. The one day squad still does not have any new opener except Ganguly pairing Sehwag. I feel, that we should have picked up specialist opener for one day as well preferably a youngster who could get enough experience for the world cup. I feel Shikhar Dhawan of Delhi deserved a place and if not, Gautam Gambhir should have been picked up for ODI too.
mukeshkumar007
August 16th, 2005, 03:24 PM
I feel Shikhar Dhawan of Delhi deserved a place and if not, Gautam Gambhir should have been picked up for ODI too.
I agree with u on this point.. Shikhar Dhawan & Sehwag can be a good opener pair.
jakhar77
August 16th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Bhai mere vichar me to saare cricketers,stumps,bats,gloves,pads,balls,cosches ko ek bade bore me band karke arab sagar me faink dena chahiye.satdiums ko tabela banakar gai-bhains(mhisi) ke liye use kar sakte hain.kam se kam gobar se khad to banegi.
Na rahega baans,na bajegi bansuri.
Roj news paper me "India looses" to nahi padhna padega.
sorry if anyone offended.