is national level jat meet is possible ? [Archive]

rkumar

August 16th, 2005, 03:37 PM

Then Let us decide how can it be organised......

Lack of response is indicating to me that not many members are interested in such type of meet......... ?????

am i wrong ?

Don't expect too many Jatlanders Mukesh. You would be lucky if you get a total of 10-15 people from Jatland. To organise such an event, one will have to run a publicity compaign locally in towns and villages. If there are no takers for the event, I am willing to be the host in my home town of Shamli in western UP. We can have a two day event with lectures during the day and a dinner and cultural show in the evening. Dates would be sometime during October next year. We can have the invited talks on following topics;

1. Rural youth and unemployment
2. Infrastructure in Rural areas
3. Investment opportunities in Rural areas
4. Uraban-rural divide and its implications
5. Education
6. Rural woman empowerment
7. Role of media in rural India development

Overnight accommodation for outside participants will have to be provided by the local hosts.

RK^2

gaurav_malik

August 16th, 2005, 04:18 PM

Hello Sir
Its A Very Good Idea .educated Jats
Must See Each Other Often It Will
Be Nice For The Community.
October Fine(good Weather)
I Am Ready For It.
I Will Take With Me Some Jat Fnds Too.

jakhar77

August 16th, 2005, 06:00 PM

Lets do it bros.Thanks Mukesh for a great idea.
I was away for sometime so could not get it it early.
Yes we can do it,though response is not too good on jatland.
october is good.fine weather and students also have free time to join.
This can be good occasion to get togather and interact.
i am with you all and try my best to publicise it in my home district
with help of my friends and reletives.

rajeshrathee

August 16th, 2005, 07:29 PM

Dear Mukesh

Someone has to take initiative as done by the people in "Delhi jat Meet" or "Bangalore Jaat Met". Lets start counting as who r willing 2 come, i know many who will be happy to come and work for it with all of their heart and soul. If the gathering is upto 200, i will finalise the venue & arrangements in Delhi, that will be the responsability of our core group. You all have to just attend and make other fellow attend it. if u r ready then don't think but finalise a date in either Dushhera Or December breaks. that will be more appropriate for all of us.

regards
rajesh

positivelook

August 17th, 2005, 09:21 AM

Hi all
Now as we are thinking on having such a occasion than we have to first see how many Jatland memebers are intersted in it. We should give this meet at least a one year time so that the people from abroad who wants to join this meet should have enough time to organise their things. So thats why as suggested by Rajender Jee October 2006 is the best time for this kind of meet especially during Dusshera holidays so that people who are working do not have problem to join this meet. As this meet should be organise in well manner and funds should be share by the all members interested in this so that we can organise this in well mannner.

Keep giving ur suggestions memebers and after 2-3 months we can make a commitee which will organise all sort of things for this event. Becose dont leave everything on mukesh he needs help from all the people who are interested so that we can have a grand occasion.
I hope we alll memebers keep this event away from politics.(kyonki jaat aadmi choudhar ke liye sabtein pehlain ladta hai)

Abhimanyu Phougat
Every single day makes me strong!

mukeshkumar007

August 17th, 2005, 11:17 AM

Don't expect too many Jatlanders Mukesh. You would be lucky if you get a total of 10-15 people from Jatland. To organise such an event, one will have to run a publicity compaign locally in towns and villages. If there are no takers for the event, I am willing to be the host in my home town of Shamli in western UP. We can have a two day event with lectures during the day and a dinner and cultural show in the evening. Dates would be sometime during October next year. We can have the invited talks on following topics;

1. Rural youth and unemployment
2. Infrastructure in Rural areas
3. Investment opportunities in Rural areas
4. Uraban-rural divide and its implications
5. Education
6. Rural woman empowerment
7. Role of media in rural India development

Overnight accommodation for outside participants will have to be provided by the local hosts.

RK^2
Thanks every one for showing interest in this meet....

Rajendra Uncleji,

I think it is good idea. lets count how much member is willing to attend and work for this meet. after that we will decide the date and month for this meet but first we need at least 200 member as rajesh bhiyaji has said..........

so here i am posting the name of member who are already agree :-
1. Rajendraji (Khalkhande)
2. Deepak Dahiya
3. Sitaram Jakhar
4. Gaurav Malik
5. Aditi Khatri
6. Achal Singh
7. Mukesh Kumar
8. Abhimanuye
9. Rajesh Kumar Rathee

Let us increase this list by adding the name of willing member to attend this meet. . .

with regards

raj2rif

August 18th, 2005, 05:19 PM

I had attended the International Jat Convention in February 2004 in New Delhi. It was pretty well organized, with people coming mainly from Haryana. Among the Jat Political Leaders, Sahab Singh Verma and then newly elected Rajasthan CM , Mrs. Scindia were present. Among the noticable missing were then the Haryana CM Mr. Om Prakash Chautala and Ch. Ajit Singh. Among some other notable Jats Present were Mr. Sompal Shastri of BJP and Mr. Gian Praksah Pilania.

The subject matter discussed in the meet were not very appealing. It looked to me more of the meet of Jats in BJP rather than any thing else.

My recommendations would be as under:

Firstly, the meet should adhere to the agenda and should have a concrete plan to discuss to solve those problems facing the community.

Secondly, it should be youth who would be talking rather than the so called established Jat Political Leaders as they are likely to be biased on their approach to the problems.

Thirdly, The meet should send a clear message to all other communities that we intend to take them along on the path of progress. Thus the agenda should be more towards the upliftment of rural population rather than Jat Community and Jats should be seen only as how they can help the entire rural population of India to move forward.

The social issues related to the community probably may take a little back seat or could be discussed for a short duration of time, while economic issues facing the rural population as they relate to employement, and education could be discussed at a greater lenght.

Each speech has to be very carefully drafted and rehearsed so that it comes out well and conveys exactly that the speaker intends to convey. We should be able to generate more harmony with other communities, without resorting to the policy of appeasement to any one.

Then there should be an action plan on implementations of various scheems that the community feels would be good for the society or to be more particular to the rural India.

One year is not a lot of time and if we have to conduct it in Next October, then off course we need to start now.

We need to form an organizing committe, which should be headed by some one located in India and duly supported by the local Jats. The job of this committee should be exclusively the organization of the event. There should be another committe that should concentrate only on the topics to be discussed and formulating the action plan. This committee could include members from any area so long they can participate in discussions.

A very nice idea, let us see if we can implement it.

rkumar

August 18th, 2005, 06:41 PM

cooljat

August 19th, 2005, 07:13 AM

Count me in Mukesh,
I'll be there any time any place.
just buzz me,

rock on,
Jit

sanjubalyan

August 19th, 2005, 03:00 PM

Great Idea Mukesh
Ofcorse we can arange the National Leval Jat's meets i have alreadya jat mahasabha Member of Muzaffarnagar .

Sandeep Balyan

sktomer777

August 19th, 2005, 05:42 PM

I would be more than happy to join it. plan it somewhere in north india as most of jats are located that side.and not in Andman islands :)

raj2rif

August 19th, 2005, 06:06 PM

Tavathia Sahab,

Your suggestions are very valid. Still I don't know from this thread as to who is going to take the lead in organising such meeting. If nothing comes through, I will certainly organise a meeting of this kind in my home town of Shamli. I agree with you that the meetings should include all other communities and should not be Jat specific.

Regards
Rajendra

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Shamli is not a bad place to organize it. The only problem is, it is not easily accessable from all the places where Jats live. As against it probably Agra, Aligarh or Delhi would be more easily accessable. But the problem comes whom to find there to make arrangements. Meerut could be another choice in UP. Alternatively probably Sonepat is more easily accessable than Rohtak or Bhiwani. The idea is where ever we organize it, more people should be able to attend it.

In any case the beginning has to be made. We may get a token presence of the people first time, but as the idea spreads, more people will join it. The most important thing is to create a core group of people who are willing to serve the community with passion.

rkumar

August 19th, 2005, 06:18 PM

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Shamli is not a bad place to organize it. The only problem is, it is not easily accessable from all the places where Jats live. As against it probably Agra, Aligarh or Delhi would be more easily accessable. But the problem comes whom to find there to make arrangements. Meerut could be another choice in UP. Alternatively probably Sonepat is more easily accessable than Rohtak or Bhiwani. The idea is where ever we organize it, more people should be able to attend it.

In any case the beginning has to be made. We may get a token presence of the people first time, but as the idea spreads, more people will join it. The most important thing is to create a core group of people who are willing to serve the community with passion.

Tavathia Sahab,

Shamli is well connected by train and Bus services to almost all the places you have mentioned. However, the choice of venue is still open if someone from a bigger town is interested in taking the initiative. If nobody comes forward before 7th October, I will go ahead and start the preparations for a " Rural Youth Convention" in Shamli during October 2006. Dates will be over a weekend in all probability.

Regards
Rajendra

raj2rif

August 20th, 2005, 09:10 AM

Tavathia Sahab,

Shamli is well connected by train and Bus services to almost all the places you have mentioned. However, the choice of venue is still open if someone from a bigger town is interested in taking the initiative. If nobody comes forward before 7th October, I will go ahead and start the preparations for a " Rural Youth Convention" in Shamli during October 2006. Dates will be over a weekend in all probability.

Regards
Rajendra

Dear Rajendra Ji,

I think that would be a good idea. Actually, when I say not well connected, it is a comparative statement. Shamli probably may be a good idea because of the massive concentration of the Jats in the area either side of Yamuna River. Further, it would be easy to accomodate people in the area. October is good month from the weather point of view, but it is also season for the planting the new wheat crop. The sugercane season would have also just begun. I guess, first week of October may be a good idea. Alternatively you may combine it with Dussara holidays as most young people may be student and may like to travel if they don't have to miss the classes. I feel all these factors may be worth considering while deciding the dates.

positivelook

August 21st, 2005, 11:32 AM

Hello Rajender jee

Here is a question for u abt the name u have given to the meet is "Rural youth convention" But i would like to add Jat somewhewre in the name of this meet. Well this is just a suggestion baaki Bade log jo bhee faisla Karein woh theek Hai. But ur Idea seems Nice that u will start the preparations if anyone do not turn up to 7th october.

Lets do it! Come on Memebes be a part of this.

Abhimanyu Phougat
Every single day makes me strong!

rajeshrathee

August 21st, 2005, 12:58 PM

Planning 4 the meet in October 2006 is ok but lets see how many can be there in october 2005. they may be used as a stepping stone for 2006 meet. My idea 4 an october 2005 meet is to know lets how many present in India can come together.

I think initially this is ur idea MUKESH. Persons participated in Delhi jaat meet and Bangalore Jaat Meet can be of immense help.

mukeshkumar007

August 22nd, 2005, 10:23 AM

" Rural Youth Convention" in Shamli during October 2006. Dates will be over a weekend in all probability.

Regards
Rajendra

good idea uncleji. Shamil may be a good venu for this type of meet as it must be organised in rural area. As Rajesh bhiyaji has said that we may have a little meet in october 2005 to discuss about the preparation and to know how many member are ready to be part of this meet.

As Col Virendra Uncleji has suggested that we should organise two commitee (one for the arrangments and preparation & second for the preparation and topics which may discuss) to make this meet successfull. what u say ?

Now I am requsting to all the member to join this list by adding their name so that we can show the rest of the world that there is only One COMM in this world that can do everything:-
Come on...........

1. Rajendraji (Khalkhande)
2. Deepak Dahiya
3. Sitaram Jakhar
4. Gaurav Malik
5. Aditi Khatri
6. Achal Singh
7. Mukesh Kumar
8. Abhimanuye
9. Rajesh Kumar Rathee
10. Col Virendra
11. Jitendra
12. Sandeep Balyan
13. Suresh Kumar
14. ...........
15. .......

I hope many member will come to be the part of this meet.......

One more thing :- Plz anyone who post in this thread and want to join us , come with your picture so that we have a better communication .... (Its only a request )

mukeshkumar007

August 22nd, 2005, 10:30 AM

I think initially this is ur idea MUKESH. Persons participated in Delhi jaat meet and Bangalore Jaat Meet can be of immense help.

Dear Rajesh bhiyaji,
I think in the next DJM meet you should invite non-delhi jat also, so that we can discuss to make this meet a reality.... is not so ?

jakhar77

August 22nd, 2005, 02:23 PM

Dear Mukesh,
You are doing a great job to get jats togather.
Most probably I will be India in Octber last and surely see you there.
Lets see how many members are coming forward to join us in this national jat meet.
regards.

itsnavin

August 22nd, 2005, 02:59 PM

mukeshkumar007

August 22nd, 2005, 03:37 PM

I would to like to attend but unfortunately I'll not be there in October. I am coming to India for 6 weeks in 2nd week of December. Some unexpected changes to my or ur schedule can allow me to attend this meet. Let's see!

Navin
Dear Navin,
I think you are coming to India at the end of this year But we are planing to organise this meet in october of 2006. So I think u will be able to come there in next year.

itsnavin

August 22nd, 2005, 04:48 PM

Dear Navin,
I think you are coming to India at the end of this year But we are planing to organise this meet in october of 2006. So I think u will be able to come there in next year.

That's right...but my context was to attend the small meet you are planning on Oct 2005. I wish I could attend that as well.

mukeshkumar007

August 22nd, 2005, 05:14 PM

That's right...but my context was to attend the small meet you are planning on Oct 2005. I wish I could attend that as well.

Well navin. In my views this small meet should be organised with Delhi Jat meet/ Banglore jat meet. So if other member of these group will agree then we can schedule it in december. lets see what other says?

rajeshrathee

August 22nd, 2005, 09:21 PM

main purpose is meeting all the fellow brothers and we should fix a date to ensure maximum participation. It doesn't matter as if it is scheduled for oct/nov or dec. any date is acceptable 2 me. lets wait wht others say.

mukeshkumar007

August 23rd, 2005, 02:22 PM

sushil_dhaka

August 24th, 2005, 09:41 AM

i am agreed to sh. Ratheeji and count me as a participant in the event

Sanjeev Dhaka

raj2rif

August 24th, 2005, 09:50 AM

rkumar

August 24th, 2005, 01:44 PM

I am not sure, how would be my schedule next year. But the notice is more than adequate and I will try and be there. If I am in India during that time, then I will be there and will try and bring some plans to discuss the upliftment of rural Indian Youth (yes Jat and every one else who wants to be with us)

Thanks a lot for showing interest. I am calling my cousins in my village to participate in this meet along with maximum members.

I would also request all members of the community to kindly call your people back home to make Shamli Convention a big success.

Any one related with media in India, is requested to arrange for a wide coverage for this event as well as pre-event advertising.

Dear Rajendra Ji,

Kindly lets discuss the agenda for the meet.

Tavathia Sahab,

I am just on standby till 7th October 2005, just in case some one shows interest to organise it in some bigger city. If we don't hear from anyone by that time, I will initiate another thread on Shamli Convention and propose the programme. We can discuss and debate it under that thread and finalise the programme. Talks won't be free for all type as far as I can say right now. Talks will be focussed on relevant topics and by invitation or screening. All the speakers would be expected to submit their talks well in advance so that proceedings can be made available to the delegates. Last minute speakers will not be entertained. This will be a professionally organised convention and not a Jat Jalsaa.

Rajendra

mukeshkumar007

August 24th, 2005, 02:24 PM

Tavathia Sahab,

I am just on standby till 7th October 2005, just in case some one shows interest to organise it in some bigger city. If we don't hear from anyone by that time, I will initiate another thread on Shamli Convention and propose the programme. We can discuss and debate it under that thread and finalise the programme. Talks won't be free for all type as far as I can say right now. Talks will be focussed on relevant topics and by invitation or screening. All the speakers would be expected to submit their talks well in advance so that proceedings can be made available to the delegates. Last minute speakers will not be entertained. This will be a professionally organised convention and not a Jat Jalsaa.

Rajendra
Resp. Uncleji, Glad to hear from ur side. You have rightly said that this meet should be organised fully professionally, not like other JAT MAHASABA which often conducted by many political organisation. I would be really happy to be the part of this meet.
It would be also better is someone come ahead to take it before 7 oct., otherwise we will have a great meet in shamil. Let us watch!!

Any one related with media in India, is requested to arrange for a wide coverage for this event as well as pre-event advertising.

I think in this matter mr. vimnaram jyani(ZEE NEWS reporter and a respected member of jatland) may help us to arrange for a coverage and pre-event advertising.

raj2rif

August 24th, 2005, 04:53 PM

Tavathia Sahab,

I am just on standby till 7th October 2005, just in case some one shows interest to organise it in some bigger city. If we don't hear from anyone by that time, I will initiate another thread on Shamli Convention and propose the programme. We can discuss and debate it under that thread and finalise the programme. Talks won't be free for all type as far as I can say right now. Talks will be focussed on relevant topics and by invitation or screening. All the speakers would be expected to submit their talks well in advance so that proceedings can be made available to the delegates. Last minute speakers will not be entertained. This will be a professionally organised convention and not a Jat Jalsaa.

Rajendra

Dear Rajendra Ji,

That is exactly how we need to organize it. I would be discussing some issues we can bring out during such meets with you through emails. An outline plan with detailed execution plan on how to increase employment and income in rural areas. That would be my intention to tell the people during such meets. And as well said, it should be a rural meet rather than a Jat Jalsa. We need to form a core group, which has to work very hard to ensure that we remain focussed. There will be a lots of hurdles, but we have to carry on. I am pretty sure, with the help of community (their desire to keep it to Jat community not withstanding) we should be able to make it a memorable event.

raj2rif

August 24th, 2005, 04:57 PM

Resp. Uncleji, Glad to hear from ur side. You have rightly said that this meet should be organised fully professionally, not like other JAT MAHASABA which often conducted by many political organisation. I would be really happy to be the part of this meet.
It would be also better is someone come ahead to take it before 7 oct., otherwise we will have a great meet in shamil. Let us watch!!

I think in this matter mr. vimnaram jyani(ZEE NEWS reporter and a respected member of jatland) may help us to arrange for a coverage and pre-event advertising.

Dear Mukesh,

I would request young members like you to work hard for the success of this meet. At the same time, I would also request all members to come out of the narrow vision of "Only Jat". Remember if we want to achieve any thing meaningful we need to carry all the communities along with us. We are taking a lead and that should be pride enough for us as a community to work hard and make it successful.

We need to prove to the nation, that "Jats" as a community are nationalists and not communal as had been projected in past by various political groups. I would say, it also should not be on the model of "Bhartiya Kisan Union", it should carry all sects of society living in rural areas together to make it one of the biggest organization, which just can't be ignored by any one.

mukeshkumar007

August 24th, 2005, 06:00 PM

At the same time, I would also request all members to come out of the narrow vision of "Only Jat". Remember if we want to achieve any thing meaningful we need to carry all the communities along with us. We are taking a lead and that should be pride enough for us as a community to work hard and make it successful.
We need to prove to the nation, that "Jats" as a community are nationalists and not communal as had been projected in past by various political groups. I would say, it also should not be on the model of "Bhartiya Kisan Union", it should carry all sects of society living in rural areas together to make it one of the biggest organization, which just can't be ignored by any one.

Right Uncleji, And It is only one way by which we can show rest of the Indians that we Jat(Indian) are ready to take our country on the way of developed nation by bringing every section of society together. we will have to show our feeling to the government and entire nation that now none would be allowed to play unfair game with the intrest of nation. We will have to change our attidue of not to look toward government's face to solve our social, economical problems. we ourself are enough capable to root out every problem from our soceity and country. If once we became strong and unite with change attitude then none dare to ingnore us. And I am sure we will come out from this meet with a new spirit and new ideology which will definitely help to change the fate of our community and nation.
We youth will be more happy to be the part of this event. We will try our best to make it a grand succes.

sejwaldeepak

August 25th, 2005, 04:17 PM

yes mukesh try to arrange the same maha sabah .. i also agree to u am i will be in this sabah definately.

cheers!!!!!! for our new Youth Maha Sabah.

priyanka

August 25th, 2005, 05:40 PM

yes it is really great idea. It would be great to see all jat bhai under one roof. I cant say abt next year plan but ofcourse it it is held in delhi then i will come definetly

stokas

August 28th, 2005, 12:49 AM

Dear Col. Sir, Rajendra Ji, Mukesh and all others,

The idea is good indeed!!

I would like to be a part of it - as long as it's 'out of politics' and for the welfare of community/s (here I somewhat agree with Col. Saahab; gathering could be from our own or any backward community). I mean, no politician (current or aspiring) should be invited or allowed to handle the 'mikes'.

Regarding 'organising' this - leave everything to DJM members - we can handle this part very convincingly and effectively, as long as it's in Delhi!!

If it's in Shamli, we 'the DJM members' would be right there on time.

Only the thing is - this Meet should not be a 'Rally', 'Mahasabha', or any such kind of 'politically motivated'.

I hate politics and Indian politicians personally - if that's the case, then I'm out!!

Please clear all these things first - so that we can move forward and make this MEET a successful one!

Navin bhai, the 'smaller' meeting could be organised in Nov. or Dec. itself (as Rajesh has already said that!) - we will declare it in 'Delhi Jats Meet' at an appropriate time!

Thanks and regards,

Shailendra

maneetkumar

August 28th, 2005, 02:24 AM

Its A Good Ideat To Meet Every Body.is It Not Great That We Organized A Function On Birthday Of Great Jat Leader Ch.charan Sing.it Can Be At Any Place In Delhi.

Thanks

Maneet Nirwal

positivelook

August 28th, 2005, 11:38 AM

Respected Mr. Tevathia

As i was reading in ur post tht this meeting will not only discuss abt our community but it will be a secular meet. I diidn't get the idea that what is the purpose of showing secularism here. As we are in the process of a meeting of "JAts" than why ur focussing on the all other communities. Well as i lived in village by myself and i know wht are the problems JATS are facing in the rural areas. And if we are organising a meet of Jats than i think we have to stick on the upliftment of rural Jats in the country. We have to discuss the idea that how our jat people can do better to uplift their standard of living and how they can provide better education for their childrens.
Another thing about communalism i want to say is that if other communities can organise such meets for their community sake than why not JATS. So i just want to say tht according to me we have to focus on our community instead of taking all other communities with us.
I m not communal on this issue but i think we have our govt. and political groups who are taking care of other communities(for the sake of their votes) and the other backward communities are getting reservation in every field.
So if u think or the other memebrs think this is a good idea than just let me know.
Nyway idea of making this meet totally professional is really a good idea and we all have to support the idea.
Lets go for it!

Abhimanyu Phougat

mukeshkumar007

August 28th, 2005, 12:03 PM

I would like to be a part of it - as long as it's 'out of politics' and for the welfare of community/s (here I somewhat agree with Col. Saahab; gathering could be from our own or any backward community). I mean, no politician (current or aspiring) should be invited or allowed to handle the 'mikes'.

Regarding 'organising' this - leave everything to DJM members - we can handle this part very convincingly and effectively, as long as it's in Delhi!!

If it's in Shamli, we 'the DJM members' would be right there on time.

Only the thing is - this Meet should not be a 'Rally', 'Mahasabha', or any such kind of 'politically motivated'.

I hate politics and Indian politicians personally - if that's the case, then I'm out!!

Please clear all these things first - so that we can move forward and make this MEET a successful one!

Navin bhai, the 'smaller' meeting could be organised in Nov. or Dec. itself (as Rajesh has already said that!) - we will declare it in 'Delhi Jats Meet' at an appropriate time!

Thanks and regards,

Shailendra

Resp. Shilendra Bhiyaji,
Good to hear from your side and thanks for showing your interest on behalf of DJM in this plan (Meet). As I am not sure where it will be organized but one thing is clear that if none will come ahead before 7 oct. 2005 then It certainly will be organized at Shamli....
Don't worry. It definitely will not be a political rally and meeting. It will be organized in a fully professionally way. The core objective of this meet is to find out the basic problems of rural area and their solutions and to strengthen rural youth power.
I am requesting you to call more non-delhi jat to attend the next DJM meet so that we can discuss something about this plan to make it a big success.

jakhar77

August 28th, 2005, 01:43 PM

I agree with you Mr.Abhimanyu.
When we are talking about Jats, why other groups should join us in the meet.
I think the Jats are the only community ignored by other communities and political parties.Actually other communities do'nt like Jats and they are jealous of our recent progress in each and every field.They stand against us at every step.
If we organise this meet within our community,it's not communalism.it's our effort to get togather and discuss our problems.Every community has this type of meet and they never invite us.
Jats are most secular community in India as I think,So please make it only Jat meet not rural or all community meet.
I do'nt want to offend anyone's personal view's here and this is my personal feeling and thought.

Regards.

Respected Mr. Tevathia

As i was reading in ur post tht this meeting will not only discuss abt our community but it will be a secular meet. I diidn't get the idea that what is the purpose of showing secularism here. As we are in the process of a meeting of "JAts" than why ur focussing on the all other communities. Well as i lived in village by myself and i know wht are the problems JATS are facing in the rural areas. And if we are organising a meet of Jats than i think we have to stick on the upliftment of rural Jats in the country. We have to discuss the idea that how our jat people can do better to uplift their standard of living and how they can provide better education for their childrens.
Another thing about communalism i want to say is that if other communities can organise such meets for their community sake than why not JATS. So i just want to say tht according to me we have to focus on our community instead of taking all other communities with us.
I m not communal on this issue but i think we have our govt. and political groups who are taking care of other communities(for the sake of their votes) and the other backward communities are getting reservation in every field.
So if u think or the other memebrs think this is a good idea than just let me know.
Nyway idea of making this meet totally professional is really a good idea and we all have to support the idea.
Lets go for it!

Abhimanyu Phougat

mukeshkumar007

August 28th, 2005, 02:09 PM

I agree with you Mr.Abhimanyu.
When we are talking about Jats, why other groups should join us in the meet.
I think the Jats are the only community ignored by other communities and political parties.Actually other communities do'nt like Jats and they are jealous of our recent progress in each and every field.They stand against us at every step.
If we organise this meet within our community,it's not communalism.it's our effort to get togather and discuss our problems.Every community has this type of meet and they never invite us.
Jats are most secular community in India as I think,So please make it only Jat meet not rural or all community meet.
I do'nt want to offend anyone's personal view's here and this is my personal feeling and thought.
Regards.

Dear Sitaram And Abhimanyu,
This is a fully Jat meet(National). You are fully right with ur views but My dear remember that we are going to adress the rural problems of our society (and community) in this meet and these problem are being faced by every section of rural society not only by Jat community. So if we want the better result and outcome in this area then we must need to bring all members of every community together. Because It is only one way by which we will be able to get better response. We are being blamed many times by politician that JATs are too much communal. So my dear time has came and we have to show them that it is wrong. Jat is a fully nationalist comm which has only one religion that is "INDIANA".
Hope you have understand my point well. So let us work hard for this meet by inviting many jat people across the whole India and world.

With regards.

raj2rif

August 28th, 2005, 05:49 PM

Dear Mr. Abhimanyu and Sitaram Ji,

Firstly, I myself grew up in a village. Not only I did grow in a village environment, I also spent major part of my military service in a village environment. To that extent please grant me that I also understand the rural problem at least as much as you do, if not more.

I have seen Bhartiya Kisan Union grow and vanish. It was an ideal plateform for the rural people to stage a National Force to counter our corrupt politicians, but we did fail at the first obstacle. The decimation of BKU was well designed by the then UP CM Mr. Veer Bahadur Singh and then PM Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, by escalating the violence while the BKU members were moving through Moradabad to Lucknow to participate in a rally there.

In my opinion, I am looking for an organization, that is self sustainable and that can generate employment and revenue for the people participating. I don't want the subsequent organization to be non-political as the BKU was. I know some of elite members just want to keep the organization as Non-Political because it is easy to manage the one. The question here is getting work done. In a village, if we are looking to start the corporate shops, where we establish our own distribution system, of farm produce and deny the middleman who makes more money than the farmers then we need to take every one along. If vegetables, grains, sugar, and all other basic need items can only be purchased through these rural corporate shops then, we would be able to get the right price to the farmer and cheap commodity to the consumer. We will also rule out tax evasion by these middlemen apart from denying them the fat profit that they make from the hard working farmer's produce. Now when we talk about such a system, then I guess we need to take every one along. I know it is a tall order but certainly achievable.

Now the political side of the organization. One would argue that if the organization is having a political side, it would fall as there would be power struggle. Yes, these are the pitfalls of such organizations. Actually, BKU also fell becauses of power struggle with in the organization. My visioin of such an organization is based on NRI's and Natives both coming together. The organization needs the core decision making group of intellectuals and off course the funding. Lets take each at one time.

The core group that makes decision. This group primarily would be comprising the NRI's who have no political stakes in India. Difficult but achievable. Every issue can be discussed in a democratic manner. The other group will be the execution group, which would be primarily the youth of India who would be contesting for the political posts (elections) and would be working on the directions of this intellectual group's collective wisdom. We can have experts in this group from all walks of life. The performance of each member of the executive group be under microscope and his / her retaining the post would depend only on his/her performance.

The executive groups at village level. These groups would be running the corporate shops. Ensuring the money is arranged for the farmers when they need it and they don't have to sell their products at less price in distress.

There is a lot I have in my mind, that I shall share with every one in due course if it is agreed. If not, then I am not the one who will walk away from the meet, for it would amount to most undemocratic action of resorting to the theory "Either My Way" or "No Way".

If all Jat meet can achieve these objective that I have in my vision, I don't mind keeping it all Jat meet. But I am certainly against, spending time and energy on organizing a meet just to praise the achievements of the past leaders, and read out history to the public. We need some thing innovative, and practical coming out of such meets.

I am open to criticism, which I am sure would come in plenty and probably may even hurt me. But that is OK and is part of any democratic setup. I believe, that if "Criticism hurts, it was well deserved".

Thanks a lot for raising a very valid question. I hope I have been able to address it to some extent.

positivelook

August 29th, 2005, 05:32 AM

Col. Tavathia jee

I m totally agree with the points which ur raising here and i have no objections on this issue whether we make a organization which have some political thinkers in it and all these things which u have addressed here are really good and i appreciate ur viewpoint and ur concern. Well i m as A NRI jat fully support ur idea about this and hope we get some more people come forward soon. BUt sorry to say i m still very committed on my point that we have to focus on only Jat community people beacause as i told in my last post we have been ignored at every level. So let other political parties to do something for other communities and our organization will only concentrate on our people. I recoommend one more thing here that we only include people of our community in this organization and they all should be well educated or they are positive thinkers.
The task is not easy at all but i think nothing is immpossible if u have a littlebit courage in urself to do it.
Now one important thing i want to say is that me and Pammu and few other jat friends have a offer here for organizing the meet in ROhtak.
Reasons:
1. We can organize this meet totally in professional manner at Tilyar tourist Resorts Rohtak (A lush green and beautiful venue)
2. Surrounded by Delhi, rajasthan, U.P and situated just an hour drive from Delhi.
3. Easy access and not much hurdle for people coming from different parts.
4. Supportive environment and friendly people.
5. Free of cost venue.
So these are the some points which made this place a good venue. As we are now in Australia but if venue is finalize we can move to Rohtak arround two months before the meet.
So lets do it !

Abhimanyu Phougat

raj2rif

August 29th, 2005, 07:48 AM

Dear Abhimanyu Ji,

Thanks for your reply and support for most of the points. The question of all Jat affair or All Rural affair can be discussed and let the majority prevail. The important thing is participation and doing some thing meaningfull rather than just praise ourself, the history and live on past laurals.

My vision of India is the upliftment of real India, which as per my thinking lives in villages. That young man who at age 50 looks 70 year old due to the rigerous of the task he performs. The majortiy of our community has farming as their primary profession and thus lives in real India. I want to address every one that is associated with the profession of farming irrespective of their caste or religion along with those people who form part of the support system to the farming community, that Carpenter, and Balck Smith and all others who live in villages.

To be leader, we need to look at the world a little differently than others. If we do the same thing, that others are doing, then we are no better than them. You are right in your opinion about other communities ignoring us. But we have done the same thing to them. I have seen in my childhood, when people from other communities were not even allowed by our own people purely they were more powerful than others. I remember, when ever my uncle addressed to others it was "who to sala Bania har, or Baman hai or Chamar hai" and I don't blame the Jat youth for their desire to remain within the community as that is what we had been taught in our childhood. I have had some good friends from other communities. I remember my class mate Nanak Chand (a chamar by caste) who was a tough customer as far as studies were concerned. I was able to beat him in academics in 7th grade withe a good margine, but in 8th he came back strongly and even though I improved my performance and % than what I had in 7th, he out scored me in 8th grade. I liked him as well as respected him. Many of my own community people did not like him as he was better than them in studies. The question here is was "Nanak" born in a Chamar Community due to his choice? or for that matter are we born in our community due to our Choice? I am very proud to be what I am, but that does not mean, others are not what they are. I consider that it is more important for me to be an Indian rather than being a Jat, Baniya, Madrasi or Punjabi, we already have so many of them. The fact that I am a born Jat, I am really very proud of myself and my community and wish to do all that I can for its development and betterment. At the same time, I am also a born Indian and have my responsibilities as Indian. I see all these thing in this light. May be I am wrong or confused to identify myself, but that is what I think and believe.

The question of all Jat or all rural will be under discussion and so will be apolitical or political. Let us see what other members feel. I expect a lot of views and contributions on this topic, both from male and female members of the community.

This is a very important thread that has been started by Dr. Rajendra Ji. I hope it out performs the thread on "Ms. Mallika Sehrawat", in number of posts?

I once again thank you very much for offering Rohtak. I have no problem, If I can make it to India, I am sure I shall be able to make it to wherever it may be held.

rkumar

August 29th, 2005, 11:07 AM

........

1. We can organize this meet totally in professional manner at Tilyar tourist Resorts Rohtak (A lush green and beautiful venue)
2. Surrounded by Delhi, rajasthan, U.P and situated just an hour drive from Delhi.
3. Easy access and not much hurdle for people coming from different parts.
4. Supportive environment and friendly people.
5. Free of cost venue.
So these are the some points which made this place a good venue. As we are now in Australia but if venue is finalize we can move to Rohtak arround two months before the meet.
So lets do it !

Abhimanyu Phougat

Rohtak is certainly a better venue. Tilyar will be a great place. In Shamli we will have to create everything and nothing is ready made like Tilyar. May be next meeting we can hold in Shamli.

RK^2

priyanka

August 29th, 2005, 12:54 PM

yes it is really great idea. It would be great to see all jats under one roof. I cant say abt next year plan but ofcourse it it is held in delhi then i will come definetly

positivelook

August 29th, 2005, 03:35 PM

Hello Rajender jee and mr. Tevathia jee

I respect ur views Col. Sahab but the things u have mentioned abt other communities are right and i know wht we used to do with Chamars, baniyas, brahmins and others. But important thing is today situation is totally changed and all other caste people are in better position than jats. So thatswhy i m saying tht we have to deal with the problems of jats specially in rural areas. I m ready to play my part and i dont care 4 others whether they are interested or not. As a positive thinker i always think tht there is no task which is too big for jats. So now we have to do a combine effort to uplift our community and with the upliftment of our community it is definitely improve the structure of rural india. Now as according to u Col. Sahab we have to see the suggestions of jat members tht they want to discuss only abt Jats or they want to include others also. So far Me and sitaram jee are totally in favour of only Jats and Col. Sahab and Mukesh are including the whole rural area communities.
Now c'mon memebers we are waiting for ur suggestions on this and abt the venue. I also think this thread is more important than Mallika's thread. Lets see col. sahab , Rajender jee , Mukesh and others tht how many serious people we are here at jatland who are really interested in the upliftment of our people.
Some Suggestins here for the meet:
1. Meet will be organized professionally.
2. Concerned memebers are welcome for discussion.
3. All memebers will try their best to make this meet successful.
4. Invite the sarpanchas of villages as much as we can.
5. Dont invite faltu people who just come for maja, only serious people are welcome.
6. We can invite few entertainers who can give a break to us for a hour or two.
7. Meet should go for two days atleast
8. Middle of october is right time to do so (probable14-15 october 2006)
Well dear memebers these are only suggestions so we just need more participation now from other members and their suggestions.

Come forward guys this is for ur community not for any individual.

Abhimanyu Phougat

achalsingh

August 29th, 2005, 04:09 PM

It seems great that we are shaping towards the National Jat Meet for a aim and on a broarder basis including all the rural youth and sections of society.
I feel from my heart that it wont be Jat Jalsa where big politician are addressing bus load of masses and shouting chaudhary..XYZ.. ki jai,lakhar maharaj ki jai.etc..
We had taken enough time i.e oct 2006 to prepare .I wish that would do all the ground work and implement some programmes well advance of meet.
Can we come forward and take up a remote village and make it model in terms of medical services,education, roads,electricity,employment and in terms of agricultural outputs.
Col Tevathia ,you had a great vision for rural corporate shops and even from these shops best seeds and pesticides can be provided to the farmers.
We ought to give back to our community/society and our motherland. I request members to come forward with their views.
Regards-Achal Singh

rkumar

August 29th, 2005, 05:39 PM

mukeshkumar007

August 29th, 2005, 06:08 PM

. Yeh na ho ki baaten hotee rahen aur ground par kuch na ho.... Finalise Rohtak and start working on it...Give a shape to what all you will like to discuss and invite the right type of speakers. You can not keep government away if you want to implement things on ground. Discussions must translate into actions.
RK^2
Yes. Otherwise this thread also might go like others.

malikuk14

August 29th, 2005, 06:34 PM

Don't expect too many Jatlanders Mukesh. You would be lucky if you get a total of 10-15 people from Jatland. To organise such an event, one will have to run a publicity compaign locally in towns and villages. If there are no takers for the event, I am willing to be the host in my home town of Shamli in western UP. We can have a two day event with lectures during the day and a dinner and cultural show in the evening. Dates would be sometime during October next year. We can have the invited talks on following topics;

1. Rural youth and unemployment
2. Infrastructure in Rural areas
3. Investment opportunities in Rural areas
4. Uraban-rural divide and its implications
5. Education
6. Rural woman empowerment
7. Role of media in rural India development

Overnight accommodation for outside participants will have to be provided by the local hosts.

RK^2

Respected Uncle,
It is a wonderfull idea but this task is not so easy.Organising such a event will be helpfull for Jat community.We can meet many persons with their ideas and can open a door for betterment of Jatts community.
We should make a proper plan for it and also shoud work collectively to achive the goal.
Hope we will success.
I am always with Jats.

raj2rif

August 29th, 2005, 07:22 PM

I am for something on ground, whether exclusively for Jats or for all. Yeh na ho ki baaten hotee rahen aur ground par kuch na ho.... Finalise Rohtak and start working on it...Give a shape to what all you will like to discuss and invite the right type of speakers. You can not keep government away if you want to implement things on ground. Discussions must translate into actions.

RK^2

Dear Rajendra Ji and Abhimanyu Ji,

First let us talk about groud work. Mr. Abhimanyu has said that he can work that out and know people at Rohtak those can do work for us. We also had some members willing to organize it if it is held at Delhi. To me, I guess, Rohtak would be a better place than Delhi from the public convenience point of view.

Rajendra Ji's idea of some thing on ground is a very valid point otherwise this project will die its own death on this website itself. But what on ground that is important. What is the model we need to go for? We need to discuss that and then make an execution plan. The core committe and executive committe. What powers and resources they will have to organize it. How these resources in terms of manpower and finance are going to be generated and in what time frame? Who is going to do that? These are the issues we need to finalize and then go for it. Let the members give their views on thes issues. Since Rajendra Ji has raised this issue, I guess he should chair it as well.

I am a little suspecious about government participation in the program. Rohtak we may get a little more support from the state government, but the moment we ask them to participate, we need to listen to them and that may drag us towards the issues those are likely to be beneficial to the political party in power and thus will defeat the purpose of the meet.

My vision is to get our youth take the lead on the program carefully charted out by the core group of intellectuals of the community.

Abhimanyu Ji, all jat or all rural is not a major issue. When we are organizing it, we will be able to ensure that the interests of the community are taken care of. The support of other communities is only going to make it more successful and rewarding in ultimate analysis both for our community as well as the nation.

In my next post, I shall give my views on organizing this function. Meanwhile, I would like to know the seating capacity of the hall that Mr. Abhimanyu is talking about as the venue. When the hall needs to be booked and what are the charges for booking it. We need to have confirmation now and then work backward from the time the meet needs to take place

We need to short list the speakers for the meet and the subjects that they are going to speak on, so that they come prepared and don't waste time. We need to utilize each and every minute of the meet gainfully, and give the clear indication to the audiance that we mean business. Our professionalism will be the measure of the support we are likely to get. It is a mission that we are taking, there will be a lot of hurdles and we need to be aware of that. The moment we start advertising it, we will have opposition in some form or other from the people who might feel that this is going to be against their interests. After all a large number of people are earning their livelyhood from the hard earned money of our poor farmers.

rkumar

August 29th, 2005, 07:57 PM

Having organised quite a few of professional conferences, my step wise suggestions would;

1. Confirm Rohtak as venue.
2. Make bookings of the place and the auditorum
3. Organising secretary should be someone local
4. Constitue a organising committee with sub-committees
5. Constitute a Programme Committee which should ensure proper topics and speakers.
6. Decide if talks will be just oral or with visuals in the form of slides. Organise the projection facilities accordingly
7. Most important: Work out the costs and method of financing.
8. Recommendations and Implementation based upon the outcome of convention
9. Delegate kits ( like copy of proceedings, pen, writing pad , name badge etc..)
10. Inaugration should be grand so that the event gets media attention and wider publicity
11. Medium of lectures: English or Hindi or both?

RK^2

dreamz0802

August 29th, 2005, 11:59 PM

meri ram-ram,

Mr. MUKESH, Col. saab, Mr. RK ji and all other members on this thread. I really apologies for getting on to this thread so late, but der aaye durust aaye.
My vote is also in with full of confidence for this special day of great achivement for JAT land`s future (I call) rather then history..

WELL AS INTIMATED BY ABHI ABOUT OUR PLANS TO DOMINATE FOR CONDUCTING THIS BIG OCCASION IN ROHTAK. MAY BE ALL OUR MEMBERS MIGHT WOULD BE HESITATING IN CONFIRMING IT `coz NO ONE ELSE OTHER THEN OUR RESPECTED ELDERS (lol, no offence) CAME OUT for supporting this venue, but I affirm and make sure that I personally with my friends and team members (virtually may be) would make it successfull for sure.

AND MY REQUEST AND PERSONNAL OPINION IS THAT TO MOVE THIS TOPIC IN TO THE "CURRENT AFFAIRS" some how if possible `coz most of the members attract and surf more in to "CURRENT AFFAIRS" folder rather then any other, or may be if we are thinking this day of OCTOBER `06 as an big step for achieving some thing and make a big leap towards success of what all our members had in mind about our community then their should be a special note for this thread in BOLD on home page that too with BIG (CAPS) letters I SUGGEST::::::::::

"CLICK FOR YOUR HELP FOR RURAL N REAL JATLAND"

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 12:24 AM

As far as I think RK uncle and Col. uncle are right in their approach for starting and how to begin with this event.

My suggestions:- If we are looking that far for our culture then their must be a proper procedure for not only conducting this EVENT but for all other future development programs.

1. firstly, their should be a committe consisting 50% of members who are local their in INDIA and must also consist of atleast 40% in it who are members of JATLAND as well and all of them must be well educated. (so that they can communicate easily and can understand at same level as we all can)

AND other 50% should be NRI`s
and it will be decided by all our active members by sending their own views in a new thread (suggested)
"VISION TOWARDS DEVELOPED AND +vly CHANGED JAT"

and voting their name for this HEAD of this commitee and then that person will put the name for other members for this commitee (atleast 10+10) and then comments on these name will again would be open for a week or so and then would be decided by that CHIEF after looking at those comments (members who don`t want to let their name considered they can personnaly send his/her decision to CHIEF`s personal mail) and also those who got selected and are not participating willingly and keenly in this PROGRAM can be dissmissed from this committe without offending them. (their must be atleast 5+5 extra supporting members as an substitiute for other members.
AND each of these members would be given some well-planned task(s) to complete after their own affirmation with a given deadline.

CONTINUED in next thread...........

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 12:40 AM

For finances of all expences on these future programms:-

My suggestion:

ALL expenditures must be approved by our commitee with full faith in the one who is speding but only with quotations and reciept of all expences and all expenses must be equally distributed in all the members who are in committe and then all other people are welcome to DONATE as much as they wish and
"I WOULD LOVE TO SEE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS COMMON ACCOUNT AND WHERE IT SHOULD EXIST"
and all the money required would be transferred to concerned person`s account only after satisfying committe for the requirement. (WHICH MUST BE PROCCESSED ASAP).

CONTINUED............

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 12:55 AM

I reckon in my view I suggest we must keep in mind few things as discussed before:-

1. We must not invite anyone specifically and big no-no for any personnal invitations (except for few peoples or artists who might can be invited for entertainment).
2. As said before that we should welcome all jats may he be CM,PM or whatever but only as a common jat with no special welcome for anyone except for who had done some big achievments.
3. All the speeches to be presented in meet must undergo thrugh screening from commitee.(TOPICS WILL BE DECIDED SOON) and after speech I would suggest for some refreshment/entertainment time and in that mean time peoples who like to put their comments forward need to give in written to commitee what they want to present must also be screened by commitee and if approved should be given 5-10 mins. for presenting.

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 01:17 AM

Col. uncle I agree with your thinking for balancing all the rural communities, but what I think is that we must invite and dominate this meet atleast to our JAT community only because as you also know the percentage of other communities in our VILLAGES, so if we can successfully change (this is what we are supposed to do) the thinkings of our rural peoples(JAT community) and let them aware about this new world, they can help to form for their own development, then I think that all other communities in our villages would automatically got benifited by this development. but if we try to turn this WHOLE ROCK IN TO GOLD IN ONE GO then it would not be possible so we have to cut this rock of our rural development in to small pieces of steps then only we can find that little GOLD of success. So first step I reckon is to try and make those majority of peoples in our villages (obviously JAT) to develop their minds and then only they can help in building that balance, what you were talking about, between all communities in our villages.

1. well I believe we need to invite and focus on educating all the SARPANCH`es of villages first and then conduct this big event, so that we can get some response time from SARPANCH`s of villages and also it will help to take SARPANCH`s of villages in confidence to our plans and as we all know without their help (may be a little help) we can`t reach easily to our target, also it will help in preparing for
"ALL JAT MEET for RURAL DEVELOPMENT".

UNCLE ji please do give some replies on this suggestion as I would love to see anything may be you contradict it I really won`t mind "arr mind bhi karoonga tau jaanga kit" (lol)

Dear Rajendra Ji and Abhimanyu Ji,

First let us talk about groud work. Mr. Abhimanyu has said that he can work that out and know people at Rohtak those can do work for us. We also had some members willing to organize it if it is held at Delhi. To me, I guess, Rohtak would be a better place than Delhi from the public convenience point of view.

Rajendra Ji's idea of some thing on ground is a very valid point otherwise this project will die its own death on this website itself. But what on ground that is important. What is the model we need to go for? We need to discuss that and then make an execution plan. The core committe and executive committe. What powers and resources they will have to organize it. How these resources in terms of manpower and finance are going to be generated and in what time frame? Who is going to do that? These are the issues we need to finalize and then go for it. Let the members give their views on thes issues. Since Rajendra Ji has raised this issue, I guess he should chair it as well.

I am a little suspecious about government participation in the program. Rohtak we may get a little more support from the state government, but the moment we ask them to participate, we need to listen to them and that may drag us towards the issues those are likely to be beneficial to the political party in power and thus will defeat the purpose of the meet.

My vision is to get our youth take the lead on the program carefully charted out by the core group of intellectuals of the community.

Abhimanyu Ji, all jat or all rural is not a major issue. When we are organizing it, we will be able to ensure that the interests of the community are taken care of. The support of other communities is only going to make it more successful and rewarding in ultimate analysis both for our community as well as the nation.

In my next post, I shall give my views on organizing this function. Meanwhile, I would like to know the seating capacity of the hall that Mr. Abhimanyu is talking about as the venue. When the hall needs to be booked and what are the charges for booking it. We need to have confirmation now and then work backward from the time the meet needs to take place

We need to short list the speakers for the meet and the subjects that they are going to speak on, so that they come prepared and don't waste time. We need to utilize each and every minute of the meet gainfully, and give the clear indication to the audiance that we mean business. Our professionalism will be the measure of the support we are likely to get. It is a mission that we are taking, there will be a lot of hurdles and we need to be aware of that. The moment we start advertising it, we will have opposition in some form or other from the people who might feel that this is going to be against their interests. After all a large number of people are earning their livelyhood from the hard earned money of our poor farmers.

junnu

August 30th, 2005, 06:17 AM

Hi Pammu,
You have great ideas......but one must remember that when we try to impliment it, there will be lot of resistance. The Sarpanch's, like the way things are rolling now...and dont like making changes...we will have to be steadfast in our resolve....
Damn...I sound like George Bush here....lol ( dont mean to )

What can i say...Jatland is my fav pastime.
Junnu

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 10:48 AM

I totally agree with you bhai JUNNU and I am aware of these oppositions and contradictions against our programs as the individual thinkings and feelings can`t be same and if it would have been same then there wouldn`t had any of the development in whatsoever field. AND here we are not trying to change those thinkings and feelings but we will try to develop the skills of rural people (JAT), so that they themselve can understand what is good and what is bad for them.
AND look dude what I think is if we got success of only 30% in the beggining, I would be more then happy of all. Because that would be a lot more then my expectation (may be our) and once it goes on JAT community would be in new era of developing themselves.

AND plz. don`t say that you sound like BUSH look contradicting is the best way to learn and even it helps me to add something in my plans. So you gave me a new idea for my plan by your statement, so you also got involved in this race of development...

CHEERS

Hi Pammu,
. The Sarpanch's, like the way things are rolling now...and dont like making changes...we will have to be steadfast in our resolve....

What can i say...Jatland is my fav pastime.
Junnu

suneet_rana

August 30th, 2005, 12:01 PM

hi ,

this is good idea that all jats Bhai will meet at one place.

rkumar

August 30th, 2005, 12:39 PM

dahiyasaab

August 30th, 2005, 12:48 PM

mujhe kal ka pata nahi hota, mein saal bhar pehle koi promise nahi kar sakta !

aap mujhe member lekar chal sakte hain mujhse jo hoga mein help karunga, lekin Oct, 2006 mere hisab mein nahi baithta, kyunki bhai logo bhut dur ki soch rahe ho aap aur meri dur ki najar kamjor hain !

agar hum or humaare vichar vahi hain jo hum jatland par kehte hain toh pls. mere liye aap ek baar en baaton par gaur farmaiye, aur jawab dijiye kya kar saktein hain hum ish baarey mein, khali milna time pass karna, community ko guide karna or agey bhdhney k liye prearit karna, yeh sab toh hum bina miley bhi kar rahe hain agar samay le rahe ho toh kisi cheez ki launching mein milna zayada acha hai, time pass karne k bajai........... ! pls. apne bahumulya vichar share karein !

aisi bahut si baatein hain ! agar hum kuch kar sakte hain toh

jaise apna koi alag TV channel nahi hai
apne haryana mein koi airport nahi hai
apni bhasa ko promote karne ka koi medium nahi hai
apne logo mein mutual understanding ki aaj bhi kami hai

agaey bhadney k liye puraane logo ko sath lekar chalna jarori hai !

apne haryane se bahut se log bahar gaye hain,
par kya kabhi unhone apna kuch contribution ish taraf kiya hai !
agar kisi ne kiya hain toh pls. let me know,
ek particular person ki help karna, aur community k liye as whole kuch karna bahut alag hota hain, mein samjhta hoon jinke pass paisa hain unke pass time nahi hain, jinke pass time hain unke pass paisa nahi hain par kya hum ish tarah ka koi pehla kadam utha sakte hain.

maaf karna agar program mein bhadha daali ho toh
these are just my views !

logo ko kahte suna zinda rahe toh phir milenge,
par es dil ne mehsoos kiya milte rahe toh zinda rahenge !

meet k baad mein chahata hoon sab yehi kahen !

jakhar77

August 30th, 2005, 12:50 PM

Rightly said Rajendraji.
Here we see lot of threads but nothibg on ground.So lets make it happen.
The idea of corporate shops is really good and I appreciate Col.saa for their vision.This will help the rural masses a lot.
But still I am in favor to make this meet Jat's only and this issue is wide open for discussion.
But the response is not much as we anticipated.

I request all the Jatlanders to give their opinion and join this great discussion for community upliftment.

Regards.

achalsingh

August 30th, 2005, 01:23 PM

Sab kuch theek hai..but;

WHO IS THE LEAD ORGANISER FOR ROHTAK MEETING?

I would advise the lead organiser to start another thread on Rohtak meeting so that things can be coordinated properly...

Rajendra
Sir, you and Col Tevathia will lead Rothak Meeting. I/We as a member/s of this forum do appreciate your concern and vision for our community .We will be with you as a committed soldiers and are looking forward for your further command.
Regards-Achal Singh

proactiveswat

August 30th, 2005, 01:28 PM

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 01:43 PM

RAJENDER uncle ji if any one has no objection then I am happy to lead this meet in ROHTAK but only under you and Col. uncle`s supervision because still we need the experience and guidance of you guys without what we can not proceed on right path.

Sab kuch theek hai..but;

WHO IS THE LEAD ORGANISER FOR ROHTAK MEETING?

I would advise the lead organiser to start another thread on Rohtak meeting so that things can be coordinated properly...

Rajendra

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 01:51 PM

RAJENDER uncle ji, Col. sir, and other respected members,

please do not hesitate in contacting me on:-

(+61) 401 869 973 ; (+61) 402 925 666

or mail me at
dreamz0802@yahoo.co.in
dreamz0802@hotmail.com

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 01:55 PM

I am presently in Melbourne but I can arrange whatso ever needed their in ROHTAK for our goal and also I will go to ROHTAK 3-4 mths. before our meet.
but still I would like all of you to review all the things which I proposed and please do reply if any further comments...

mukeshkumar007

August 30th, 2005, 03:21 PM

yes even i support the idea of a national jat meet bein organised as its a very good bond building idea and i ll very readily contribute in any best possible way......
hope this idea gets materialised soooonnnnnnnn.. :)

Thanks for joining us. We are looking for some valuable suggestions from every member which may helpful to organise it in a well manner.

rkumar

August 30th, 2005, 03:59 PM

Looks like you guys are more excited and not realistic enough so far. Please remember that;

1. Lead person should be some one local or who can arrive in Rohtak at least two months before the event to ensure all the arrangements.

2. Dates should be announced only after booking the venue.

3. Anyone who has no experience in organising such events should at best be an associate organiser and not the lead organiser.

Please think very carefully and seriously before anyone of you jump to be lead organiser.
I am not a local guy and cannot be the lead organiser. I will help you guys to best of my ability. Work out the budget for the event and the means of raising the funds. Event will easily cost few lacs for a gathering of even 500.

Rajendra

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 04:23 PM

Still if no one comes up then I am still on my stand to organize this event succesfully and as i told all of you that I will go 3-4 mths. before the actuall event.
AND regarding the event we must first make a plan what would be all the events that would be organized in the meet and according to that only I can initiate for what would be the expenditures and budget required for this meet. So please if you can advise in order all the events you and any one of our JAT bhai`s had in their mind.
But for the venue I would definitly like to see TILIYAR lake as it is situated on the main road and out of city surrounded by villages and even their won`t be any paking problems.
Also Rk uncle ji if we need to book venue we need to give the date of booking before booking the venue, and as said by ABHIMANYU that even we can arrange every thing their at almost 50% concession, which can help us in cutting our budget.
AND I posted above in one of those few posts regarding arranging meetings with as many SARPANCHE`s of villages as much we can invite before this big MEET so that we can get their responses regarding our plans. Because arranging that much big MEET straight away might not be worth for our goals, because we are only looking for positive sides ignoring the negative aspects, so this is my personnal advice AND I AM EAGERLY WAITING FOR SOME RESPONSES REGARFING THIS plz.....

Looks like you guys are more excited and not realistic enough so far. Please remember that;

1. Lead person should be some one local or who can arrive in Rohtak at least two months before the event to ensure all the arrangements.

2. Dates should be announced only after booking the venue.

3. Anyone who has no experience in organising such events should at best be an associate organiser and not the lead organiser.

Please think very carefully and seriously before anyone of you jump to be lead organiser.
I am not a local guy and cannot be the lead organiser. I will help you guys to best of my ability. Work out the budget for the event and the means of raising the funds. Event will easily cost few lacs for a gathering of even 500.

Rajendra

rkumar

August 30th, 2005, 04:36 PM

Here is a draft of the programme which I was refining for Shamli meeting;

National Convention
On
Rural India: Challenges and Opportunities

20-22 October 2006
Shamli, UP, INDIA

1. Challenges: One overview lecture covering;

a. Roads
b. Water
c. Electricity
d. Education
e. Healthcare
f. Social Issues including law and order
g. Storage and Packaging
h. Quality Control
i. Marketing
j. Pricing
k. Telephone and Internet
l. Media
m. Trade

2. Opportunities: Lectures on following topics;

a. Food processing and packaging
b. Games
c. Villages: outsourcing destinations for Indian cities
d. Innovative low cost Industries
e. Science and Mathematics Education
f. Rural Business Hubs
g. Fine Arts
h. Environment friendly housing

Probable Invitees:
........

Side Activities:
1. Exhibition on Solar Power, Khadi Gram Udyog, Dairy Equipment, Computer networking,
2. Evening cultural Programmes
.................................

Let members debate and finalise the agenda and then invite suitable speakers..

mukeshkumar007

August 30th, 2005, 05:30 PM

Dear Uncleji, All of your mentioned topics are really very important which must be addressed to make our Rural India more strong. To enhance the trade in villages, villages must be equipped with the roads. Now a days in many schemes like PMGSY many villages have road but all these are in poor quality and broke down from almost places within only one rainy season. Because some people especially sarpanch are involved with the TEKEDAR and use the money, which is sanctioned for the road development, to fill their pockets. Decreasing ground water level is also an alarm for the farmer because in Rajasthan almost farmer use ground level water in farming. Ongoing fight between three states PUNJAB, RAJASTHAN, HARYANA also effected the farmer who are using NEHAR water. Main problem is that we don’t have a proper storage unit to store the rainwater. Electricity is known as a hurt unit to keep the development sustained. But almost rural area is facing this problem especially in Rajasthan where full day goes into power cut except 4 hours light. We may have a proper management to face all of these problems if our rural population have well educated. But the literacy ratio especially in many backward districts has very low. In those are where literacy ratio is good are also facing the problem of quality education. Today a student who has passed his secondary/senior secondary from village is not able to give a shape of his career. Today Even a graduate student is not able to decide his career and simply running behind DALAL to make them admit into police and army by giving lot of bribe? Lack of social and moral education make our students more undisciplined toward their duties and they are always trying to find out short cut for the success. Many youth in our villages are involved in Gunda Activity, wine selling which is not a good sign for a good society. Neither parents nor students have positive approach. If a person who is at the top of his/her career may not like to guide and help the needy students in his/her village. Growing mentality of living separate from parents and other family member is not good for brotherhood. None teacher and doctor (even he/she may belongs to village) want his/her posting in village and whoever is posted there is not doing justice with his/her job. So uncleji all of these topic which are categorized between challenge and opportunity must be address after a good preparation and acceptable solution and plan also should be put in front of all member of this meet. Any one who speaks with any topic must be well prepared so that expected outcomes is possible.

dreamz0802

August 30th, 2005, 06:24 PM

Uncle ji I really appriciate this and aware of your thinking about challenges and oppurtunities you had in your mind, and I know as well that if we all work on these grounds we will be able to get on that right track of rural development, But for achieving all this we need to be PRACTICAL with all of the approaches mentioned by you. So just by giving lectures would not help at all but instead we need to get attached with, and support, SARPANCH`s of villages by giving them ideas regarding development of their respective villages and this is what I am thinking as an long term plan rather then what we think of, to impress the minds of rural peoples by just giving them lectures and I am sure they will take it as an RALLY or some MAHASABHA, but not as an learning those policies for their future development. SO THAT IS WHY I AM EMPHASISING MUCH TO DEVELOP THE MINDS OF THE HEADS OF VILLAGES(SARPANCH), rather then approaching straight to the peoples and after reading their response towards our plans, we can move ahead with our JAT MEET, but if we are thinking just to have a get togeather and a little party and then BYE-2, C-ya on net, then we are simply wasting our time (no offence to anyone).

CHEERS

Here is a draft of the programme which I was refining for Shamli meeting;

National Convention
On
Rural India: Challenges and Opportunities

20-22 October 2006
Shamli, UP, INDIA

1. Challenges: One overview lecture covering;

a. Roads
b. Water
c. Electricity
d. Education
e. Healthcare
f. Social Issues including law and order
g. Storage and Packaging
h. Quality Control
i. Marketing
j. Pricing
k. Telephone and Internet
l. Media
m. Trade

2. Opportunities: Lectures on following topics;

a. Food processing and packaging
b. Games
c. Villages: outsourcing destinations for Indian cities
d. Innovative low cost Industries
e. Science and Mathematics Education
f. Rural Business Hubs
g. Fine Arts
h. Environment friendly housing

Probable Invitees:
........

Side Activities:
1. Exhibition on Solar Power, Khadi Gram Udyog, Dairy Equipment, Computer networking,
2. Evening cultural Programmes
.................................

Let members debate and finalise the agenda and then invite suitable speakers..

rkumar

August 30th, 2005, 10:07 PM

Uncle ji I really appriciate this and aware of your thinking about challenges and oppurtunities you had in your mind, and I know as well that if we all work on these grounds we will be able to get on that right track of rural development, But for achieving all this we need to be PRACTICAL with all of the approaches mentioned by you. So just by giving lectures would not help at all but instead we need to get attached with, and support, SARPANCH`s of villages by giving them ideas regarding development of their respective villages and this is what I am thinking as an long term plan rather then what we think of, to impress the minds of rural peoples by just giving them lectures and I am sure they will take it as an RALLY or some MAHASABHA, but not as an learning those policies for their future development. SO THAT IS WHY I AM EMPHASISING MUCH TO DEVELOP THE MINDS OF THE HEADS OF VILLAGES(SARPANCH), rather then approaching straight to the peoples and after reading their response towards our plans, we can move ahead with our JAT MEET, but if we are thinking just to have a get togeather and a little party and then BYE-2, C-ya on net, then we are simply wasting our time (no offence to anyone).

CHEERS

Best would be that you people from Rohtak , constitute your own committee now and let us know what topic you expect us to speak on. You people decide how you wish to organise and whom you wish to invite and who are the target audience... Take the lead and start the preparations… General debate should end now and the preparations must start..

RK^2

spdeshwal

August 31st, 2005, 03:18 AM

Dear Mukesh,

Thank you very much for initiating the proposed All India Jat Youth Meet through this thread and informing me through private message.

I would also like to thank Dr. R.K. Kalkhunde and Colonel Tavathia ji for inspiring and guiding this discussion to some logical conclusion.

Also, I would like to thank all those who have participated in this dicussion and provided valuabe inputs for the Meet.

Finally, I should also thank Abhimanyu, Pammu, Deepak and thier team who have not only suggested Rohtak as venue for the Meet but also offered thier services to lead the arrangements under the guidance of senior members.

Although I am from Rohtak but my family and job commitments may not allow me to be present at the Meet. Nevertheless, I have young Nephews who can assist the committee and help to mobilise the resources.

Now, I have some suggestions regarding the place of the meet.
I believe, the conference hall at Tylyar is not big enough to host a national level conference.

I would like to suggest that Jat Heros Memorial College HALL should be the ideal place for this Meet. I think, it can accomodate more than thousand delegates with scope for additional sitting if required.

Accommodation for our Female participants can be arranged within the compus. I mean, Mata Kisori Devi College Hostell is just hundred mtrs. away from the conference hall.

Above all, this shouldn't cost us anything.

These are my humble suggestions and members have every right to reject.
Anyways, I am there with"tan, man & dhan".

Thank you again Mukesh for your time and efforts!

devdahiya

August 31st, 2005, 08:26 AM

My dear worthy members,

Idea is fine but a lot has to be gone into to even give this idea a shape. As Mr rajendra has pointed out, it will need a lots of hard work,Selfless attitude[atleast from a few of our local members], plenty of patience, Compassion, Money,Arrangements, Running around and much more. I strongly feel that it will be better to organse local RURAL meets with a common objective under an able leadership and then through this leadership a national level meet will be highly practical and ofcourse successful. Not withstanding my views any meet of any magnitude will always be a step in right direction if undertaken with a sole purpose of doing good to the community. My best wishes to all such people.

positivelook

August 31st, 2005, 08:32 AM

Hello memebers

Now discussion is on a turning point and we know that there are people who are interested so now as indicated by most of Members Tilyar Tourist Resort Rohtak is almost final for the event. Now the main thing which comes in our mind is to make a commitee. As me and Pammu have given the idea of making Rohtak as venue so now we are ready to play our role in organizing this meet. But now the question arise here is how big this event would be and how many people we are expecting in this meet 500-1000 or more than this becose i appeal all the members that this will not be a JAt Jalsa or a rally kind of thing. This meet will be totally professional so please avoid all the faltu people and only serious contribution is welcome. Now the next point comes of making a commitee, well according to my point of view as Pammu said we are ready to organize it so Abhimanyu and Pammu are ready as the organizers of this meet but apart from this we need a commitee which take care about the topics which we have to cover and select the speakers for the event. Organizing this meet at Tilyar Rohtak is not a big task for us so iwanna assure all memebrs tht this will be a orgnize in well manner.

Abhimanyu Phougat

positivelook

August 31st, 2005, 08:55 AM

Now the next thing comes of finances as indicated by Pammu tht first of all we have to estimate the costs. So i request all the intersted memebrs please finalize the num,ber of people about event. As far as i think tht this will not going to exceed thousand people or so(a rough idea) so if members are interested we can strt making our project plan by counting the participation of 1000 people. Here is a question for Delhi jat meet people about the strenght which turned up in DJM so please give a idea about this.

Now turn for making a commitee:
I recommend the name of MR. Rajender Kalkhunde for the chairman of the commitee because he is our elder and he is experienced and he knows the ifs and buts of life. Now i would like to suggest some members fro the commitee.
Names are only based on the interest shown by members so this is just a suggestion for few people:

1. COL. TAVATHIA ( AS NRI)
2. RAJESH kUMAR RATHEE (AS DJM)
3. SHAILENDER TOKAS (DJM)
4. MUKESH KUMAR( AS FROM RAJASTHAN)
5. SANDEEP BALYAN( FROM U.P)
6. DEEPAK SEJWAL (DELHI)
7. SITARAM JAKHAR(AS NRI)
8. ABHIMANYU PHOUGAT (AS NRI)
9. PARAMJEET SANGWAN (PAMMU) (AS NRI)
10. DEEPAK DAHIYA ( FROM DELHI)
11. ACHAL SINGH (NOIDA)

Now these are few names which i have choosen to give participation to all parts of north india and also to NRI jats. but i recommend this commitee will be of few more people and than we step ahead. So please provide some more names in this mr. Rajender jee as upto the discussion so far ur going to be the chairman for this commitee.

So lets do it!

Abhimanyu phougat

positivelook

August 31st, 2005, 09:04 AM

Hi members

Now we need a suitable name for the meet so decide the name and lets do it.
I would like to request Rajender jee to start a new thread with the name of the jat meet whether it be ROHTAK JAT MEET FOR RURAL UPLIFTMENT or anything else.
Now i am assuring once again about the venue that there will not be any sort of problem in organizing this meet for us.
Abhimanyu and Pammu will be answerable for any questuins regarding any problem about the venue. I m very confident about this and one more thing i would like to say that as My father is working at Tilyar tourist resorts so i m capable to have an access with the tilyar staff so i dont think we will be having any sort of problems in organizing this event while we are in australia(it doesn't matter). And we can move to rohtak 2 months before the event.

Well now i again appeal to all those who are only reading these threads that please come forward and participate its for ur community people.

A man who beleives in himself and not circumstances is the real winner!
Swami Vivekanand

Abhimanyu phougat

positivelook

August 31st, 2005, 09:09 AM

hello all

here is the contact info. about the organizers of this event:

Paramjeet Sangwan
(+61) 401 869 973 ; (+61) 402 925 666
dreamz0802@yahoo.co.in

Abhimanyu Phougat
(+61) 423247777
abhimanyuphougat@gmail.com

Abhimanyu Phougat

raj2rif

August 31st, 2005, 09:33 AM

Best would be that you people from Rohtak , constitute your own committee now and let us know what topic you expect us to speak on. You people decide how you wish to organise and whom you wish to invite and who are the target audience... Take the lead and start the preparations… General debate should end now and the preparations must start..

RK^2
Dear Rajendra Ji,

I find couple of last posts as disconnect for the following reasons.

Firstly, we have been discussing and provisionally I guess agreed to the venue of Rohtak and Mr. Abhimanyu and now Mr. Sangwan have volunteered to organize it. I find it a bit strange that Shamli appearing again as the venue.

Secondly, why would Rohtak lads be making their own committe. We need to have every thing worked out first and then distribution of the work. Topics selected by you are very good, my only observation is that we may not be able to do justice to all the topics in short period of time. It would also be difficult for all who would be attending to assimilate every thing clearly. In my opinion we may have to prune the list a littlebit.

The good point is that we are moving in right direction. I am also working on some action plan and would post it on the site as soon as it makes some sense to me. I am a little busy at present so kindly bear with me for a while.

positivelook

August 31st, 2005, 09:48 AM

tevathia sir

U r right tht first we have to finalize all the things and than give us all the stuff to do. Mr. rajender cant run from us we will catch him and now as suggested by u and supported by myself he is the person on Chair. So lets keep the things going!

Abhimanyu

rkumar

August 31st, 2005, 10:38 AM

Dear Rajendra Ji,

I find couple of last posts as disconnect for the following reasons.

Firstly, we have been discussing and provisionally I guess agreed to the venue of Rohtak and Mr. Abhimanyu and now Mr. Sangwan have volunteered to organize it. I find it a bit strange that Shamli appearing again as the venue.

Secondly, why would Rohtak lads be making their own committe. We need to have every thing worked out first and then distribution of the work. Topics selected by you are very good, my only observation is that we may not be able to do justice to all the topics in short period of time. It would also be difficult for all who would be attending to assimilate every thing clearly. In my opinion we may have to prune the list a littlebit.

The good point is that we are moving in right direction. I am also working on some action plan and would post it on the site as soon as it makes some sense to me. I am a little busy at present so kindly bear with me for a while.

Tavathia Sahab,

1. Shamli is not appearing as venue again. I forwarded the tentative programme I was making for Shamli just as an example so that we can make a begining from somewhere.

2. Since major part of the organisation has to be done by Rohtak people, It was appropriate that organising commitee be local and Programme Committe be universal.

3. To make this convention meaningful, we should aim a gathering of at least 500-1000. I am not sure how many NRIs can say for sure at this point of time that they would be attending this meeting. We would be lucky if we get 20 odd NRIs. Therefore we must mobilise suitable interested local population to take part in this meeting.

4. Now coming to resource persons who have the knowldge and experience on various topics and who will be speaking. Let us remember that topics are more important and if required, we must invite non-jatland or non jats to deliver the talks to make meeting meaningful. semi-baked talks are not going help the cause.

5. Ultimately we aim to implement things on ground, so we will have to indentify at least one committed person in each village who can act as an interface. This person need not necessarily be the sarpanch or village pradhan. all such persons should be invited to this meeting as audience.

6. We must encourage the participation of our women folk as much as possible. Female speakers on relevent topics should be identified as soon as possible.

May be now Abhi starts a new thread as '' National Rural Convention, Rohtak".. My suggestion would be that the title of convention should not have word Jat as there are chances that we might need outside speakers on certain topics.

Rajendra