NATHURAM GODSE--was his HINDU Sanghatanist ideology right or wrong

[pammusangwan]

meri RAM-RAMI sab ko,

I was just wondering that was NATHURAM GODSE a man of honour or just an assassin....
But after surfing these sites I believe he was a TRUE patriot who has done a lot for INDIA....
SUGGESTIONS Plz.



http://library.thinkquest.org/26523/mainfiles/nathuram.htm

http://ngodse.tripod.com

[positivelook]

Bhai Pammu

I dont know whether he did right or wrong but as i beleive is Mr. Gandhi was not as bad to be killed like this because this man never had any desires in himself, he always in favour of Ahinsa so wht was wrong in his viewpoint and why so many people followed him because people trusted him as a saccha Ahinsawadi. Well i know we all have our viewpoints on this but i beleive tht Gandhiji was a man who always in favour of mankind and making India a independence Rashtra. But there are always two sides of a story so wht Nathuram did was his decision so u cant't stop anyone to do this.
Ny way i am not passing any judgement but i m only saying tht Gandhi jee didn't deserve susch Assasination.
Well lets see how this thread goes with the viewpoint of other Jatbhais.

Abhimanyu Phougat
Every single day makes me strong!

[pammusangwan]

well bhai MANNU,

I know Ur feelings N I really respect individuals feelings towards or against Mr. GANDHI, but the thing is that as you said that he has done a lot for INDIANS and that he was AHIMSAWADI then i would like to comment here that every individual on his own is AHIMSAWADI. No one woukd luv to fight or die or may be torture or get tortured for no reasons (exception are always there), So if you haven`t had gone through those links, please read may be not all but if possible a couple of pages and then please "review your views" again and Iknow there will be a definite change in your stand.
if you think AHIMSAWAD is a very gud thinking but you know Mr. GANDHI ji`s definition of AHIMSAWAD was different "if some one smack your face (one side of cheeks) then present him/her with your other side to smack.
Which means don`t say any thing may be whatever happening is bad. So that means according to Mr. GANDHI ji`s theory SHRI KRISHNA, ARJUNA, SHIVAJI, MANGAL PANDEY, BHAGAT SINGH, SUBHAS CHANDRA BOSE all these peoples were wrong, and these were may be wrong in your point of view....WHAT DO U RECKON DUDE????????

WELL IT IS NOT GUD AND NEITHER IT SEEMS NICE IF WE (JAT) people say that AHIMSAWAD is GUD, as an MARSHALL come we are happy with what we are supposed to and that is the only way that we are atleast over powering these PAKI, or may be some other peoples who think INDIA is still going on those AHIMSAWADI thinkings, but it is our MARSHALL peoples who can give four smacks in response of only their gesture or thinking to smack us peoples.
JAT (which itself is an exception) tau bhai baangad bajjan ney tyar hain na ki latth khan ney.

[punia]

Gandhi might have done a lot for Indians but also a lot more wrongs for Indians. I never prefer to start a fight but if somebody is abusing my country, family or myself then its my right as well as duty to teach he/she a lesson. All our Patriots were wrong only Gandhi was right !!! Pakis making fun of INDIA till day and paragraf 77 in Kashmir, all the gifts from Gandhi, well sir Godse awas the real Hero

[haryanajat]

Gandhi might have done a lot for Indians but also a lot more wrongs for Indians. I never prefer to start a fight but if somebody is abusing my country, family or myself then its my right as well as duty to teach he/she a lesson. All our Patriots were wrong only Gandhi was right !!! Pakis making fun of INDIA till day and paragraf 77 in Kashmir, all the gifts from Gandhi, well sir Godse awas the real Hero
Sir godse? dimag phir gaya kya? Kuch tho sharm kar. yeeh bakwas kar ke kaya milta hae? Gandhi ne kashmir problem diya? Gandhi ke saar jood de har ek problem. kaun se all patriots? geen chuun kaar aath dus naam haeen. All aise bolla jaise laga lakhoon patriots thee.

[kundujat]

Usne 'sir' Godse ko nahin as a normal word use kiy hai.]
Tu to bematlab main tel paani leke chadd rhya sai.

Arr bhai bakwaas karke kime milega jib koye bakwaas karega, hum to sahi baat karan laag rahe sain arr tere barge aankh moondke chalaniye kime ho keh den sain.

Wo mash hoor baapu ke teen bandar hain na unmaan tai eik tu dikhe sai bhai ;)

Tere 1 do bhai bandhu aur hain yahin.Eeb budka maran na bhajya aaiye, aaram tai kaam le. :D

Sir godse? dimag phir gaya kya? Kuch tho sharm kar. yeeh bakwas kar ke kaya milta hae? Gandhi ne kashmir problem diya? Gandhi ke saar jood de har ek problem. kaun se all patriots? geen chuun kaar aath dus naam haeen. All aise bolla jaise laga lakhoon patriots thee.

[haryanajat]

Usne 'sir' Godse ko nahin as a normal word use kiy hai.]
Tu to bematlab main tel paani leke chadd rhya sai.

Arr bhai bakwaas karke kime milega jib koye bakwaas karega, hum to sahi baat karan laag rahe sain arr tere barge aankh moondke chalaniye kime ho keh den sain.

Wo mash hoor baapu ke teen bandar hain na unmaan tai eik tu dikhe sai bhai ;)

Tere 1 do bhai bandhu aur hain yahin.Eeb budka maran na bhajya aaiye, aaram tai kaam le. :D
kya uske dimag mein guss kar dekh raha hee ki usne sir aise he istemaal kiya hae? yahaan joyotshi lag rahaa sae? mein tu bappu ka bandar suu par tu bataa tu kya behdiaa sae ke?

[positivelook]

Bhaio Ram-Ram

Dont make this issue a personal issue and dont fight with each other. As this thread started by Pammu and he asked only our viewpoint on this. So i hope u guys be cool and just post what ur viewpoint is on this issue. As a Indian by heart i respect all the Krantikaris but i dont keep Nathuram Godse in the category of Krantikaris( may be someone in us treat him like hero which he was not). Well now if the discussion is going serious than i like to raise one Question here:

Q:According to Nathuram he Killed gandhijee for the sake of our Nation but i suspect that may he had something in his mind to get his name in books of history (i mean for fame)?

So this is totally depend on individual thinking that we beleive on the statement which is written by Godse (link attached by Pammu) or not.

So now this question is a big question which suspect him. One more question here is that:
Q: Where was this Nathuram Godse while the time of freedom moment and why didn't he took the life of any gora general or whatever?

So those people who are supporting Nathuram Godse should have to think about these questions.

Jai Hind

Abhimanyu Phougat
Jats the real tigers!

[punia]

:D Bhai Jeetendra Sharm to wakiye eeb aayi hai ki tumne unsab viro ko bhula diya jin ne Aajadi ki ladayi me aapni jan di, jo Subhash Chander Bose ki fouj me the aur jin logo ne Angrej ki gulami se inkar kar diya. Kher tumhe pura hak hai aapni baat kahane ka per itna bada kalja to rakho bhai ki tusre logo ka apna sochne ka najeriya hai. Sardar Bhagat Singh ko mai to Patriot kehta hum per Anrej to aaj bhi use eek terrorist kahte hai. Ghandhi ne us samay per Anrej ka sath diya, kya bolte ho ? Ab Bhindrawala ko sab terrorist kehte hai per Sikh use Hero mante hai, to bhai yeh sab apna apna sochne ka terika hai

Sir godse? dimag phir gaya kya? Kuch tho sharm kar. yeeh bakwas kar ke kaya milta hae? Gandhi ne kashmir problem diya? Gandhi ke saar jood de har ek problem. kaun se all patriots? geen chuun kaar aath dus naam haeen. All aise bolla jaise laga lakhoon patriots thee.[/QUOTE]

[haryanajat]

:D Bhai Jeetendra Sharm to wakiye eeb aayi hai ki tumne unsab viro ko bhula diya jin ne Aajadi ki ladayi me aapni jan di, jo Subhash Chander Bose ki fouj me the aur jin logo ne Angrej ki gulami se inkar kar diya. Kher tumhe pura hak hai aapni baat kahane ka per itna bada kalja to rakho bhai ki tusre logo ka apna sochne ka najeriya hai. Sardar Bhagat Singh ko mai to Patriot kehta hum per Anrej to aaj bhi use eek terrorist kahte hai. Ghandhi ne us samay per Anrej ka sath diya, kya bolte ho ? Ab Bhindrawala ko sab terrorist kehte hai per Sikh use Hero mante hai, to bhai yeh sab apna apna sochne ka terika hai

Sir godse? dimag phir gaya kya? Kuch tho sharm kar. yeeh bakwas kar ke kaya milta hae? Gandhi ne kashmir problem diya? Gandhi ke saar jood de har ek problem. kaun se all patriots? geen chuun kaar aath dus naam haeen. All aise bolla jaise laga lakhoon patriots thee.[/QUOTE]
Bhindarwale was a terrorist. You cannot compare bhagat singh /azad/bose with bindarwale. But you can compare bhindarwale with osama bin laden of now. That will be an appropriate comparison.

[positivelook]

Hi all

Be on track guys dont lose the track i m still waiting for the answers of my questions which i raised in my post for all who support Godse as a Hero!

Abhimanyu Phougat
Jats! THE REAL TIGERS

[haryanajat]

Someone mentioned they like hitler and don't like gandhi.
In a conversation Hitler had with Lord Halifax, the British foreign secretary in 1937 the German Chancellor advised the British on how to deal with Indian resistance to their rule: “Shoot Gandhi, and if that does not suffice to reduce them to submission, shoot a dozen leading members of Congress; and if that does not suffice, shoot 200 and so on until order is established”.
So you like hitler?
Then someone mentioned how subhas chandra bose took japanese help and how if he had succeded things would have been great for India. This is what Japanese did.
The Rape of Nanking: In this single incident, the Japanese slaughtered nearly 300,000 civilians in the Chinese city under ‘kill all captives’ orders. Up to 80,000 women were raped. “[Japanese] Imperial troops competed in prisoner-killing competitions; one officer challenged another to see who would be first to dispatch a hundred Chinese PoWs...”
Compare that to the brutal suppression of civic disorder at Jallianwalla Bagh in Amritsar by General Dyer when nearly 400 unarmed civilians were killed.
Gandhi was right. He considered hitler and japanese worse then the British. As such he differed with bose who took japanese help.

[arunshamli]

I have not read a lot about Nathuram but I think he was just an emotional person who could not control his feelings and went on killing the mahatma.

I do not think he wanted to earn some kind of fame or something else. He was also a patriot and he loved his country just like other did. He was just out of his mind.

Those who likes his act are the people who do not like Gandhiji's policy just try to find another hero in some-one like Nathuram. And please do not try to compare likes of Bhagat Singh, Chandrasheker and Subhas with Nathuram. No matter what British say they all are our hero's will remain forever.

Gandhiji was a man of self respect. Gandhiji ne logon ko sikhaya ke kurta/dhoti pahan ke bhee Angrejon kee ankhon me aankhe daalkar bat kee ja sakti hai. Gandhiji se pahale bhee bahoot logon ko train se bahar feka gaya thaa...but logon ko aise hee rahane kee adat ho gayee thee. And look what cost British had to pay throwing him out of the train. India ke logon ko aaj jis cheej ke sabse jayda jaroorat hai woh hai self respect. We should learn to respect ourselves. (But that could be the topic of discussion in another thread)

one question asked by Abhimanyu still remains un-answered. Do we know of any significant achievement by Nathuram godse( other than killing Gandhiji)

BTW, we can all like Gandhiji, Subhash and Bhagat Singh all at the same time and still remain patriot. To like someone you do not have to dislike somebody. :)

[pammusangwan]

hey everyone,
Well I am not at all saying that either Mr. NATHURAM aur Mr. GANDHI is hero for me, but as you asked about few questions, I here need to reply for them:-

1) May be you can smell what other`s can`t...

look mate if he had to get his name in the book(s), or for fame only, he was smart and intelligent enough and also as he himself worked as an editor and he knows well how to be famous ( atleast think if he was selfish in these terms then he wouldn`t atleast had bet his life for marely fame).

2) As you said dude that why he didn`t shoot some GENERAL or someone..

Well buddy he was not an aggressive patriot he was just an editor who used to write brave speeches and editorials to let peoples and government pay attention to what is going wrong. So you can`t atleast suppose such a man to kill someone. but the reason of killing GANDHI it`s on those web pages (links given).

Well also dude never did GODSE said that GANDHI was a bad man but hispolicies were a little bit unfavourable for HINDU`s. datz it....

CHEERS

[cooljat]

Mr. Jitender,

bhai mere sabse pehle to tuje yeh kehna chaoonga ki tu yeh Gandhi ka bakhan karna band karde, it's too much, maan!

Mein maanta hoon ki usne kuch ache karm kare the lekin usse dugna usne desh ka bura kiya jiske kaaran whole India still suffering.
Muje to kabhi-kabhi sakh hota hai ki Gandhiji ne doosra janam to nahin le liya tere roop mein, yaa fir uske bandron ne ;) ;) ;)

Dekh! ek hud tak I favor Ahinsha but ek limit ke baad action lena hi padta hai, nahin to du'll be out.....Ahinsha-wahinsa bilkool practical nahin hai,
yeh to apni cowardness hide karne ka ek tarika hai!

Agar Gandhi ka gyaan maan le to phir apne desh ko itni badi Army banane ki jaroorat kya hai, aur tere hisab se hazaroon mahan shaidon ki sahadat bekar hi gayi, what do u say now!

Mere hisab se Gandhi was a very clever politican, jisne desh ke saath double-cross kiya, woh chahta to Bhagat Singh ko faansi nahin hoti, Suabsh Chandra Bose ko yun desh se bahar nahin jana padta, uski dheel ke karan Jinna ne sir oonch kara aur desh ke tukre ho gaye, uske uar Jinna ke dohari rajniti ke karan itne bade riots hue, aur kya kahoon tuje.

Bhai since u & the great Jat king SurajMalji both share same gotra so I just want to ask a simple question, 'agar koi tere ek gaal par jhapad maare to tu kya karega, ya to gandhi ka niyam follow karega ya fir our great martial race ke jaise uska haath hi tod dega'???

In Last, agar abhi bhi tere khoon mein gandhi factor jyada hai Jat factor se, to for god sake gandhi ke teen bandron mein se ek ban ja aur Jaton ko provoke karna band kar de Jatland par, nahin to result ache nahin honge, u must be aware if ur Jat enough!

So bhai, mein to Garam-Dal ka aadmi hoon aur mera khoon bahut garm hai lekin dimag bahut thanda hai, so I follow the rule- pehle baat, phir laat, so all in all laton ke bhoot baton se nahin mante, mind it!!

just for u, 'Majboori ka Dusra naam Mahatma Gandhi" ;)

I salute all the freedom fighters in garam-dal, including Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekhar Ajad, Sardar Patel, SubashChandra Bose n all the low-profile ones! JAI HIND.

rock on,
Jit

PS- haan, Godse ne ek galti jaroor kar di, agar Gandhi ke saath-saath woh Jinaah (muslim Gandhi) ko bhi khatam kar deta to, baat hi kuch aur hoti!



Sir godse? dimag phir gaya kya? Kuch tho sharm kar. yeeh bakwas kar ke kaya milta hae? Gandhi ne kashmir problem diya? Gandhi ke saar jood de har ek problem. kaun se all patriots? geen chuun kaar aath dus naam haeen. All aise bolla jaise laga lakhoon patriots thee.

[haryanajat]

Mr. Jitender,

bhai mere sabse pehle to tuje yeh kehna chaoonga ki tu yeh Gandhi ka bakhan karna band karde, it's too much, maan!

Mein maanta hoon ki usne kuch ache karm kare the lekin usse dugna usne desh ka bura kiya jiske kaaran whole India still suffering.
Muje to kabhi-kabhi sakh hota hai ki Gandhiji ne doosra janam to nahin le liya tere roop mein, yaa fir uske bandron ne ;) ;) ;)

Dekh! ek hud tak I favor Ahinsha but ek limit ke baad action lena hi padta hai, nahin to du'll be out.....Ahinsha-wahinsa bilkool practical nahin hai,
yeh to apni cowardness hide karne ka ek tarika hai!

Agar Gandhi ka gyaan maan le to phir apne desh ko itni badi Army banane ki jaroorat kya hai, aur tere hisab se hazaroon mahan shaidon ki sahadat bekar hi gayi, what do u say now!

Mere hisab se Gandhi was a very clever politican, jisne desh ke saath double-cross kiya, woh chahta to Bhagat Singh ko faansi nahin hoti, Suabsh Chandra Bose ko yun desh se bahar nahin jana padta, uski dheel ke karan Jinna ne sir oonch kara aur desh ke tukre ho gaye, uske uar Jinna ke dohari rajniti ke karan itne bade riots hue, aur kya kahoon tuje.

Bhai since u & the great Jat king SurajMalji both share same gotra so I just want to ask a simple question, 'agar koi tere ek gaal par jhapad maare to tu kya karega, ya to gandhi ka niyam follow karega ya fir our great martial race ke jaise uska haath hi tod dega'???

In Last, agar abhi bhi tere khoon mein gandhi factor jyada hai Jat factor se, to for god sake gandhi ke teen bandron mein se ek ban ja aur Jaton ko provoke karna band kar de Jatland par, nahin to result ache nahin honge, u must be aware if ur Jat enough!

So bhai, mein to Garam-Dal ka aadmi hoon aur mera khoon bahut garm hai lekin dimag bahut thanda hai, so I follow the rule- pehle baat, phir laat, so all in all laton ke bhoot baton se nahin mante, mind it!!

just for u, 'Majboori ka Dusra naam Mahatma Gandhi" ;)

I salute all the freedom fighters in garam-dal, including Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekhar Ajad, Sardar Patel, SubashChandra Bose n all the low-profile ones! JAI HIND.

rock on,
Jit

PS- haan, Godse ne ek galti jaroor kar di, agar Gandhi ke saath-saath woh Jinaah (muslim Gandhi) ko bhi khatam kar deta to, baat hi kuch aur hoti!
Takhar miaan gumma phiraa ke wohee baateein. Auur saath mein damakaiyaan? Don't you think you should be banned?
Agaar tuzhe mulloh ke saatth rahanaa hae to ja pakistan chaale ja wahan unke galee meel lee. roole unke gaale mil zitna rohna hae tuzhe. Gandhi nee yeh kar diya woh kar diya. Wooh angrezoon ko rok sakta tha bhagat singh ko bacha sakta tha? Gandhi kya raj kaar raha tha hindustan par? Kuch soch kar bol. Subhas ko bhi usne hee baghaya tha? great. Uska haath pakta rakha tha gandhi nee? kisne kaha tha usee ke hitler see haath mila aur japanyeeon ke zoote chaatnee ko? Gandhi ne? aurr godse ko Jinnah ko maar denaa chayee tha? Don't you think you are advocating violence here?
aur gandhi aur jinnah ke baad kisko marrne ki tamanna hae tere? uske baad? Ussee hindustan aur pakistan nahee banataa? why you have so much love and caring for muslims? when they wanted their own separate country? I wondering. I am also wondering why you expect so much from 1 person?

[arunshamli]

ek joke yad aa gaya bhai. do jaat bhai the...sage bhai. dono me ghar ke batware ko le ke kuch jhagda chal raha thaa. ....ek ne jameen pe ek lakeer kheech dee aur dusre te bolya dekh...hamne ya bheet kadh dee...tu ise gira ke dekh ham tere te aaj hee nimat lenge....dusre ne wa lakir mita dee....aur bola le hame teri diwarre dhaa dee....isi baat pe dono pariwaron me lath baja....sir fut gaye aur fer jel chale gaye....kutumb ka naas kar liya...

toh bhaiyo aisa mat karo.....Gandhi, jinnah, Nathuram....sab mar gaye...inke ooper q khoon bahan ku taiyar ho re....ye sirf ek fourm hai...and har ek ko apne vichar rakhne ka adhikar hai.....
aur mujhe lagta hai ke is type ke Ahinsa me kisi ko koi problem nahi honi chahiye... :)

[positivelook]

Dear Pammu

I dont think u have provided sufficient answer of my questions , so just try to elobrate a bit, i get ur idea ny way but i still say Nathu was Nathu and Gandhi was Gandhi.

Abhimanyu Phougat
Every single day makes me strong!

[achalsingh]

Takhar miaan gumma phiraa ke wohee baateein. Auur saath mein damakaiyaan? Don't you think you should be banned?
Agaar tuzhe mulloh ke saatth rahanaa hae to ja pakistan chaale ja wahan unke galee meel lee. roole unke gaale mil zitna rohna hae tuzhe. Gandhi nee yeh kar diya woh kar diya. Wooh angrezoon ko rok sakta tha bhagat singh ko bacha sakta tha? Gandhi kya raj kaar raha tha hindustan par? Kuch soch kar bol. Subhas ko bhi usne hee baghaya tha? great. Uska haath pakta rakha tha gandhi nee? kisne kaha tha usee ke hitler see haath mila aur japanyeeon ke zoote chaatnee ko? Gandhi ne? aurr godse ko Jinnah ko maar denaa chayee tha? Don't you think you are advocating violence here?
aur gandhi aur jinnah ke baad kisko marrne ki tamanna hae tere? uske baad? Ussee hindustan aur pakistan nahee banataa? why you have so much love and caring for muslims? when they wanted their own separate country? I wondering. I am also wondering why you expect so much from 1 person?
We remember Subhash chandra bose,Bhagat Singh , Chandra shekhar Azad ,list is endless, as a great freedom fighters .Mahatma Gandhi truley Father of Nation ,his efforts and commitment to freedom struggle made India a free nation.It was a cohesive efforts Of both Naram and Garam Dal .This we had learnt from history and our forefathers and want to pass same to our childrens.Regards Achal Singh