84 Riots & Mamta Bannerji

[balraj_dhaka]

Dear jat frenids first of all my ramm to all of you.

as you all must have noticed the old stalwart of CPI Mr. Harkishan Singh Surjit has alleged that Ms. Mamta Bannerji was involved in the riots of 1984 against our sikh brothers.

since such a senior member has put such allegations that also after around 21 years then there must be something in this or they are just the allegations.

i want to know your views.

[jakhar77]

Welcome Dhaka saab at Jatland.Have a nice time here.
Now the Nanawati commission report has been released so see this matter in this perspective.Mamta was congressi too that time and lot of congressis are being alleged in these riots.
Don't know too much in this matter.
May be other respected members can explain this.

Regards.

[balraj_dhaka]

sitaram sir thanks for your prompt reply.
one thing has pinched me that are we jats are good at criticising our own people.

these allegations have been put by such a senior and old leader of CPI but no taker among jats.

is Nanawati a GOD do we think that he is not influenced by so many things.

Some people on jatland were very quick to say that Sajjan Kumar is criminal and what about the persons who were at the helm of afairs i mean to say at positions like Home Ministers, Defence Ministers and who so ever took over after Indira Gandhi.

The same opposition is making hue and cry which was responsible for Godhra.

Welcome Dhaka saab at Jatland.Have a nice time here.
Now the Nanawati commission report has been released so see this matter in this perspective.Mamta was congressi too that time and lot of congressis are being alleged in these riots.
Don't know too much in this matter.
May be other respected members can explain this.

Regards.

[balraj_dhaka]

most of the jats have become spineless, and feel complexed in calling themselves jats and take pride in criticising the our own community of jats.

on jatland i have seen people criticising om parkash chautala but they never criticise bhajan lal with same anger.

i have seen people criticising bhupender hooda but they will never criticise the others like in the recent case in gurgaon where leftist tried everything possible to creat a very bad industrial environment in gurgaon.


people have criticised sajjan kumar in 84 riots and some of them called him criminal as if they have seen him killing our sikh brothers themselves.

we have never stand united in defending the man of our own cast when they require us and please dont give the arguements tjhat we are impartial and **** like this.

these things really hurt me and if we dont get united then ........;;;;;;;;;

[ratananmol]

United in protecting criminals who deserve severest punishments; if caste is everything we shall be back in jungles very soon. Sooner or later Sajjan Kumar will will get what he gave others; whatever he may deserve he certainly does not deserve the Z-plus security he used to have a few years ago.
Sikhs are our brothers and we have no intention of protecting a third rate Gunda who discriminated against the farm community in outer delhi before the state of delhi was instituted in 1992.
Our unity can have better more deserving subjects.

[raj2rif]

Dear Mr. Anmol Ratan,

Very well said. I have not heard any thing good about Mr. Sajjan Kumar, so my views are going to be based on what I have heard. Certainly he is not among the good books of majority of people to say the least.

Mr. Jakhar has given a good reply. Most of the congress leaders were involved in 1984 riots in some capacity or other. I have known the Congress culture for a long time. Most leaders who did not have any agenda, had done every thing possible to impress upon the Gandhi family to take political advantage. I remember, way back in 1989 when Mr. Rajiv Gandhi was to visit Aligarh, every single person of youth congress wanted to greet him first and there was a lot of tension among the youth congress workers. I am pretty sure, all these leaders implicated in Nanavati commission, must have been involved. Actually Mr. Nanavati's report falls short of justice. It is a well known fact that Mr. Tytler, Mr. HKL Bhagat and Mr. Sajjan Kumar were the leaders involved in those riots. There may be many more ring leaders who used that event to loot and arson. Most of the Goons were very well supported by the police as well as Politicians.

Now is the questions raised by Mr. Dhaka. Firstly, Mamta Banerji Vs. Surjit Singh. Mamta Banerjee's Trinamul Congress is the main political force that the CPI(M) has been countering in West Bengal. Further Mr. Surjit Singh had never been consistant in his political comments. To that extent I feel his statement is definitely politically motivated. There may be every possibility of Ms. Mamta Banerjee being involved in some thing or other during in 1984 as most of the Congress leaders were trying to influence Mr. Rajiv Gandhi to get the political advantage. But there are two questions are to be answered. Why would Mr. Nanavati's commission leave Ms. Mamta Banerjee who is not part of the ruling party? while implicating the members of ruling party. The second question is about Mr. Surjit making allegations now. Why did he not give any evidence to Mr. Nanavati if he had a valid proof of Ms. Mamta Banerjee being involved in 84 riots. Why did he not make any such comments in last 21 years? These are the various questions, that Mr. Surjit should be answering.

The second question Mr. Dhaka has raised is about we being spineless if we criticize Jat Political Leaders be it Mr. Chautala, Hooda or Ajit Singh. In my opinion neither Mr. Chautala nor Mr. Ajit Singh has done any thing worth praising. Both of them inherited a great legacy, but how much they capitalize on that except probably making money for themselves. Now by criticizing Bhajanlal, Mr. Chautala or Mr. Ajit Singh become any better, I really don't have the answer. If we are looking for the betterment of the community, we should be having enough courage to criticize ourselves first, then only we can raise finger at others. To me, I find no difference between Mr. Bhajanlal and Mr. Chautala. For me issues are more important than the personalities. I try to judge the CM of Haryana rather than judgind the person who happen to be the CM.

[balraj_dhaka]

one thing i have observed on jatland is that all the sweeping and baseless comments come from the members who are out of india i think being away from india act like a shield.

anmol bhai on what ground you call Sajjan Kumar a Gunda(do you know what a gunda does and what gunda means). Sajjan Kumar is a politician and he works for the down trodden and he is very famous in his constituency because of his tough stands. he is just a scapegoat made some some polticians who were jealous of him. Before 84 riots he had very good relations with Sikhs, it all started when he was falsly implicated in 84 riots.
This time also he has won with a thumping margin(2.5 lakh) and dont say that booth capturing(because it is delhi and not bihar)

i request you to go in details before saying any thing. you people dont know the ground realities. a few days back some one had written something bad about Bhupender Hooda(Harassing daughter-in-law and asking for dowry), those people who knows Bhupender Hooda's daughter-in-law they will tell youi that what kind of female she is. i wont say much about her but everybody in rohtak knows except the politicians who have to take and malign hooda and some people like you will also not beleive. in that thread i didnt found any body defending Bhupender Hooda and condemning that lady.
I am sure any person of self respect will ask for divorce if he gets daughter-in-law like this.

What i mean to say is that u people dont know the realities and just pass sweeping remarks just to prove yourself ultra-sophosticated.

so before u pass a comment just go in details dont behave like a coward and say nonsense words.

you people have created such an impression as if Sajjan Kumar was head of all delhi police and whole Army was also under him. Mere bhai kabhi socha hai ki why police was slow to react and why army was called so late. hope you are aware of departments like home ministry & defence ministry and who controls them. And dont say that Sajjan Kumar killed all the sikhs of delhi with sword in hand and he was directed by home ministry. i really have sympathy with peopl;e like u.

Those people who knows Sajjan Kumar they understand that he is a man of words and an iron-willed person and also Sajjan Kumar has all sympathy for the sikh brothers and you must not be aware that how many 84 riots victims he has helped till now

United in protecting criminals who deserve severest punishments; if caste is everything we shall be back in jungles very soon. Sooner or later Sajjan Kumar will will get what he gave others; whatever he may deserve he certainly does not deserve the Z-plus security he used to have a few years ago.
Sikhs are our brothers and we have no intention of protecting a third rate Gunda who discriminated against the farm community in outer delhi before the state of delhi was instituted in 1992.
Our unity can have better more deserving subjects.

[ratananmol]

Dear Dhaka ji:
We were raised in delhi and probably know more about him then you do. Okay what are his principled views and what is his philosophy?
I have never heard him speak in public but i have heard about his deeds very well. Please tell him that woh din lad gaye jab wo rajiv gandhi ke chamchagiri se kaam chala leta tha, and black cat commando bhi saath rehte the.
Agar usne koi kukaram nahi kiye to use dar kyon lagta hai? Uska haal Abdali aur Aurengzeb jaise hi hoga? Raaj khatam...saakh khatam.
Aur agar wo bekasoor hai to use yahan kya chahiye? Har inquiry mein uska naam hai aur baki court aadi me prove ho jayega?
Aur aap bhi us gunde ke liye apna time mat waste karo. Let justice take its own course.
Anmol.

[balraj_dhaka]

mr. ratan u say that u were broughtup in delhi and u havent heard him speaking, it speaks abt ur lack of knowledge. he is one of the best orator and if u have doubt then hear him in any public gathering.

and friend one has to follow his leader and he was also following his leader rajiv gandhi. apne andar jhaank kar dekho aur pata chal jayega ki aap kiski chamchagiri karte hain. u pretend to be ultra sophosticated jat and having very biased views .

Sajjan Kumar is one of the most fearless jatleader and if he has been provided Z security it is because of govt. policy. and mere bhai now he is MP and he was their in the center of delhi when even congress was not in power.

people like u r jealous of fellow jats and just utter bad words.

the court has allready given him clean chit and it is just the politics with in party which is harming him. first clear before saying anything he has allready been acquited from the court.

and what gunda gardi he has done u ur self is a chamcha of highest order it seems. khud logon ki madad mangte rahte ho aur bolte ho dusro ko chamcha.

try to grow and support the fellow jats.

no body on this site said anything when Capt. Amrinder Singh visited a khalistan sponsered gurudwara in Canada, ultra-sophosticated jats like u become ignorant abt such incidents

Dear Dhaka ji:
We were raised in delhi and probably know more about him then you do. Okay what are his principled views and what is his philosophy?
I have never heard him speak in public but i have heard about his deeds very well. Please tell him that woh din lad gaye jab wo rajiv gandhi ke chamchagiri se kaam chala leta tha, and black cat commando bhi saath rehte the.
Agar usne koi kukaram nahi kiye to use dar kyon lagta hai? Uska haal Abdali aur Aurengzeb jaise hi hoga? Raaj khatam...saakh khatam.
Aur agar wo bekasoor hai to use yahan kya chahiye? Har inquiry mein uska naam hai aur baki court aadi me prove ho jayega?
Aur aap bhi us gunde ke liye apna time mat waste karo. Let justice take its own course.
Anmol.

[balraj_dhaka]

my aim of bringing this topic was to make our kaum aware abt this fact that we jats are enemy of jats and i wanted to convey this thing but people here have only Suwaadu mentality.

The incident of yesterday when a girl Parveen Dangi resigned, no body left a stone unturned to make mockery of her. It really speaks of our community that how we deal with our own community.

[spdeshwal]

Bhai Balraj Singh Dhaka Namaste!

Mere aapse teen Anurodh hnai.

1 Be allways patient to know others point of view and keep years and eyes open and your mouth shut. That is if u want know how others feel about a given prob, situation etc.

2 Read your posts again what ever u have written under this thread.

3 If u still feel that most of the people on this site are spineless and Swadu hnai,
then mera teesra anurodh hai, Please don't waste your time here any more

Aur jo jatha aap is site par banane aye the, nanawati ayog ke samne dharna dene ke liye usme aap kamyab nahi hue.

Cheers and take care!

Subhchintak

[sandeepk]

i don't understand why we guys are fighting over somebody , whom most of us have nither ever seen and i think would might not ne intrested in meeting him. mr. dhaka fisrt of all my comments on to ur mail. using words like spiness and bringing community togather. doesn't seems to be impressing a lot. i do understand urfeelings that u like mr. sajjan kumar a lot but it is not possible that all the people would have the same kind of thing for him.it is not possible for all people to like him in the same way as u like him. we all have our own preferences in choosing the leaders. i don't think if the leader is wrong and he tells u to do some thing wrong then i do hope that jaats should use their own brains rather then blindly following them. i would suggest u that as well, thought its totally up to u to follow that or not. but i would really request u all that please use good language on this site. if we cannot create a better environment don't make it worse as well. i would be a great help if we guys don't try to enforce things on other and try and respect each other views. rather then having heated arguments over here. i would be idealistic if we indulge in healthy debates rather then critising each other and telling whole community what to be done. as a person we all have senses and we all lead our lives in the manner we want to lead them. so let stop frocing people and do indulge in some thing good which would help us to gain knowledge and move ahead in this world.

[mayank_singh]

dear freinds

what i observe here is that mr. dhaka has used very harsh and negative words in conveying his views, we should refrain from doing so.

the other thing i have noticed in dhaka's post is that he is not defeending sajjan kumar but what he wants to convey is that Sajjan Kumar was not involved in the riots against Sikhs. in politics we all know that the leaders are allways keen to pull the legs of eachother, so it is highly possible that Sajjan kumar might have been falsely implicated by people like HKL Bhagat, Vaasaant Sathe , Kamal Nath because there names were also dragged in the 84 riots but i dont know how no body say a thing against these guys , it may be due to very strong Pandit lobby.

its a point to ponder that the Home Ministre and officiating PM can aslo not escape the responsibilities , after all they are the one to pull up Police and call for Army assistance, and in these fronts they were found lacking.

lastly my view, whenever riots takes place then people participate above party line for therre own gains


these are my views if any body have some other views i dont mind.