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dreamz0802
August 21st, 2005, 11:58 PM
PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU GUYZ RECKON IS THIS / (Right) aur X??????
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Facts about "Jana Gana Mana" - Just a thought for the National Anthem! How well do you know about it?
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I have always wondered who is the "adhinayak" and "bharat bhagya vidhata",*** whose praise we are singing. I thought might be Motherland India! Our current National Anthem "Jana Gana Mana" is sung throughout the country.
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Did you know the following about our national anthem, I didn't.
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To begin with, India's national anthem, Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, was written by Rabindranath Tagore in honour of King George V and the Queen of* England when they visited India in 1919.
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To honour their visit Pandit Motilal* Nehru had the five stanzas included, which are in praise of the King and* Queen. (And most of us think it is in the praise of our great motherland!!!)
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In the original Bengali verses only those provinces that were under British rule, i.e. Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, Maratha etc. were mentioned. None of* the* princely states were recognised which are integral parts of India now Kashmir, Rajasthan, Andhra, Mysore or Kerala. Neither the Indian Ocean nor the Arabian Sea was included, since they were directly under Portuguese rule at that time.
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The Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka implies that King George V is the lord of the masses and Bharata Bhagya Vidhata is "the bestower of good fortune".
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Following is a translation of the five stanzas that glorify the King:
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First stanza: (Indian) People wake up remembering your good name and ask for*** your blessings and they sing your glories. (Tava shubha naame jaage;tava*** shubha aashish maage, gaaye tava jaya gaatha)
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Second stanza: Around your throne people of all religions come and give their love and anxiously wait to hear your kind words.
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Third stanza: Praise to the King for being the charioteer, for leading the ancient travellers beyond misery.
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Fourth stanza: Drowned in the deep ignorance and suffering, poverty-stricken, unconscious country? Waiting for the wink of your eye and your mother's (the Queen's) true protection.
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Fifth stanza: In your compassionate plans, the sleeping Bharat (India) will wake up. We bow down to your feet O' Queen, and glory to Rajeshwara (the King).
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This whole poem does not indicate any love for the Motherland but depicts a bleak picture. When you sing Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, whom are you glorifying? Certainly not the Motherland. Is it God? The poem does not* indicate that.
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It is time now to understand the original* purpose and the implication of this, rather than blindly sing as has been done the past fifty years.
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Nehru chose the present national anthem as opposed to Vande Mataram because he thought that it would be easier for the band to play!!! *It was an absurd reason but Today for that matter bands have advanced and they can very well play any music. So they can as well play Vande Mataram, which is a far better composition in praise of our dear Motherland India.
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Wake up, it's high time! Shouldn't Vande Mataram be* our* National Anthem.
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achalsingh
August 25th, 2005, 12:29 PM
You are right our national anthem was written by Rabindranath Tagore in praise of King and Queen of our rulers. After independence interpreted as adhinayak and bhagya vidhata here is GOD, the real lord of the country.
If we are going to press this demand of changing the anthem to Vande Mataram we will be labelled as RSS members .It is Ironical that our great leaders were very much influenced by Britishers.
Regards-Achal Singh
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achal

kuldeep79
August 25th, 2005, 12:56 PM
Dears
We should not discuss and comment on this national topic in this way. We must regard it by heart.

Kuldeep
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You are right our national anthem was written by Rabindranath Tagore in praise of King and Queen of our rulers. After independence interpreted as adhinayak and bhagya vidhata here is GOD, the real lord of the country.
If we are going to press this demand of changing the anthem to Vande Mataram we will be labelled as RSS members .It is Ironical that our great leaders were very much influenced by Britishers.
Regards-Achal Singh
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achal

brad
August 26th, 2005, 02:46 AM
vande matram could not be accepted as national anthem bcos it mentions hindu gods and godesses by name in it. JGM is very generic and open to interpretation and thats why tagore gave it to congress who were bugging him to write a song in praise of emporer. only later they realised they have been fooled. but the song stuck and ppl started using it when vande matram was banned by britishers. just as any polticians today it was handy tool for congress to keep both sarkar and public happy. after independence, it was no brainer that the song will be choosen as national anthem bcos its a congressi song.

kuldeep79
August 26th, 2005, 10:52 AM
Dear Mr. Budhram Dudi,

No Comment on this issue. Please, we should not discuss it here.


Kuldeep Singh Chauhan
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vande matram could not be accepted as national anthem bcos it mentions hindu gods and godesses by name in it. JGM is very generic and open to interpretation and thats why tagore gave it to congress who were bugging him to write a song in praise of emporer. only later they realised they have been fooled. but the song stuck and ppl started using it when vande matram was banned by britishers. just as any polticians today it was handy tool for congress to keep both sarkar and public happy. after independence, it was no brainer that the song will be choosen as national anthem bcos its a congressi song.

brad
August 26th, 2005, 11:14 AM
WHY SHOULD I NOT DISCUSS IT ?

I am the nation, i have to sing it, i have to understand it, i have to feel it, i have to beleive it, so i have to discuss it.

if u dont want discussion,good for u, dont censor me.

kuldeep79
August 26th, 2005, 11:55 AM
No comment further, my dear.

Kuldeep

WHY SHOULD I NOT DISCUSS IT ?

I am the nation, i have to sing it, i have to understand it, i have to feel it, i have to beleive it, so i have to discuss it.

if u dont want discussion,good for u, dont censor me.

achalsingh
August 26th, 2005, 12:44 PM
You might be feeling hurt every time you recite jana gana mana as praising Britishers.You can interpret as adhinayak and bhagya vidhata here is GOD, the real lord of the country till time Vande Mataram be made as national anthem.Why to run away from harsh reality by saying no comment on national issue .
Achak Singh

dreamz0802
August 27th, 2005, 01:49 AM
ram-ram likhiyo meri bhi,

well I am totally agreed to you `coz if we can`t discuss a matter on our nation (said to have freedom), our national pride (said to be national anthem), then what should we discuss, should we discuss about U.S. anthem or U.K`s national anthem.
Well, I put this thread just to make sure that all what I know is true or not, so as next time whenever I need to sing national anthem I make sure it`s VANDE MATRAM from my throat rather then JGM...

CHEERS

positivelook
August 28th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Bhai Pammu

Tun bhee jama chaala pad de hai. Dekhiye kadee tere uppar communal hone ka label lag ja. baaki bhai discussion toh honi chahiye. Jisne na karni mat karo.
This feels interesting but we cant demand now u know the problems Pammu. Our country is democracy but still Their are problems.
I think kuch ghjani ho jyagee agar mein kuch jyada likhoonga toh. So i try to keep it silent baaki isshara manne kar diya hai.

Abhimanyu Phougat

anujdahiya
August 28th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Hi

Well as per my knowledge the Jana Gana Mana was first sung at the Calcutta session of the Indian National Congress on December 27th, 1911. Pandit Motilal Nehru requested tagore to write the poem , but that was not to honor the visitors but to show the identity and greatness of india , this wasn't a welcome song but was a song of protest against them praising the glory of india. The adhinayak and bhagya vidhata here is GOD, the real lord of the country.

Also andhra and mysore were for sure under the british rule and not under portugese . Who else did tipu Sultan fight against ?

Anuj Dahiya
IIM Lucknow