Yo Kae Maajra Sai???

[shailendra]

What is this whole bulls...t about everyone jumping into the bandwagon about Sarabjit being ready to be executed by the Paksitani authorities???

Ab suna hai kae 'King' ShahRukh Khan bhi prarthana patr likhh rahe hain...(I am to thinking that he takes his role of Veer-Zaara too seriously ;) )...and the not to mention the whole media and even the Prime Minister (somewhere it was even mentioned by someone that the Prime minister should approach Bush to intervene about the matter!?!)

Yeh sab log khaan thae jab wo 15 saal sae whaan sadd raha tha? (and for that matter so are who knows how many more border villagers that get rounded up routinely on trumped about charges for spying for the Indian Government!)...

It is so frustrating and hilarious to see these jokers and everyone else worth his/her salt jostling to get the limelight and trying to show that they are trying to right a huge wrong, when the harm was already done long back....

[jagmohan]

It is really becoming a bit too much. I am sure Musharraf would exploit the whole issue to his advantage and later claim to be a truly democratic leader, even though his terror factory would be working overtime.

The issue of inadvertant border crossing is a reality on the Indo - Pak Border. Those who have spent some time in these areas would agree with me that there is hardly any demarcation on ground except for Border Pillars and even these are far apart. Though the border fence has come up but it is not bang on the border. I was in Sambha - Ramgarh Sector where the Basantar River flows through this area. We used to have a lot of Pakistanis straying across the border and as per the procedure they used to be interrogated and later handed over to the local police. The same happens on the other side. Sometimes even serving soldiers used to stray across. What happened with them is another story and my profession integrity debars me from discussing this issue.

However, I too wish that Sarabjeet comes home safely, now that we know that he is facing the death row. Since the politicians can't solve problems of poverty, primary health, education and clean drinking water, other issues would be taken up and media would go beserk to toe the line of their political masters to keep public attention on other matters. There is a race amongst the political parties to score brownie points. May be the congress wants to wash the blood of 1984 by taking up this issue. Good luck to all.

Regards,

JS Malik

[positivelook]

i think 15 years are alot for anyone to be in any other countries prison. It was really shame 4 us tht no one took the initiative upto 15 years.
But i wanna say Der aayee Durrust Aayee.

Abhimanyu Phougat

[itsnavin]

Kaas baat yeh hai ki last 15 years se Sarabjit ke ghar walon ne bhee uski khabar nahin lee...i mean to say they didn't approach govt. of India to take up this matter with pakistani authorities...now when his death sentenced was announced, his family members are highly charged up...I really doubt he can be rescued!

[poonam]

pata naa kae maajraa sae..

yae so so kae jaage sae ar woh bhi 15 saal laa diye..

Shailendra, aur tae sab theek sae per SRK nae kucchh mat kaho nahi to achha nahi hoga.... haan ..(dhamki..).....LOL... ;) :D

[vinodks]

per SRK nae kucchh mat kaho nahi to achha nahi hoga.... haan ..(dhamki..).....LOL... ;) :D

Poonamji, assa SRK mein kya rakha hai?:-)... wo haklane ke siwaye karta kya hai?... Jatland par bhi kitne saare cute jats hain jinke saamne SRK peela pad jayega:-))))

vinod

[raj2rif]

It has become a mockery that every single person is now praying for Mr. Sarabjit Singh's life. No body cares for the so many those who have died on the border or die every day in all parts of the country. We are begging a neighbor who harbor terrorism and have no value for human life. By doing all this are we not obliging them and helping them.

We have enough Pakistani spies rounded in our country. Why don't we reciprocate the way Pakistan is handling our poor border residents. The government rather than requesting mercy for Sarabjit Singh, should try and trade off, or pay them back in the same manner.

I have all the sympathy for Mr. Sarabjit's family, but if he was actually a RAW agent he would have known the risk involved in the job. I guess we need to take a more objective stand. We have enough Pak agents in Indian Jails to ask for a trade off if that is warranted. However I am not of the opinion of leaving any Pak spy free. But unfortunately I had seen during my service many of them escaping after 2-3 years in Jail.

[shailendra]

...and oh reading some of the responses, I got reminded of another situation about Pakistani Jails that has caught the imagination of the Country for some time....
(and maybe Col Tevathia and Col Malik migh even help shed some light on what they think is the possible fact):
What about the other prisoners like POW's lodged in Pakistani Jails? This time I am referring to the often debated argument that there might even be some 1965 and 1971 Prisoners of War that might still be languishing in Pakistani Jails!?!...

I remember this very elaborate documentary on TV or something about Families that had given up on their dear ones and/or heard about them taken prisoners during the war...only to see a picture of them by accident on some newspaper or something to realize with a start that they are still alive and bing held in Jails in Pakistan all this long time after the war!...

I also remember in those documentaries the Pakistni authorities denying any such thing and even about supposedly having combed thu their jails without finding any such POW there....

Anyways, this is just something more to add to that thought that there are and might be even more such souls that are gone from sight (and therefore gone from 'public' mind; except for maybe by their own families) that probably hope against hope almost everyday in the dungeons that they are langusihing in another land ....that someone will come to get them......some day.....somehow!

[shailendra]

pata naa kae maajraa sae..

yae so so kae jaage sae ar woh bhi 15 saal laa diye..

Shailendra, aur tae sab theek sae per SRK nae kucchh mat kaho nahi to achha nahi hoga.... haan ..(dhamki..).....LOL... ;) :D

LOL...Poonam eeb tae katee dhamka diya ude, to phaer SRK nae aage tae bakshna hi padega I guess!!! (anyways, I hope it is not a 'Khan' issue...cause I have a beef against the shirtless wonder Salman too most of the time too! :D :D

But seriously, with a tounge in cheek; I still think this recent propaganda is quite a glorified way to try and promote himself... and his roles!!!

[poonam]

... Jatland par bhi kitne saare cute jats hain jinke saamne SRK peela pad jayega:-))))

vinod

Cute jats aur jatland par..what are you talking about.. ..;)

P.S. I'm sorry Shailendra for deviating your post....ab aur nahi...Vinod..no more here..samjhe.. :)
(waise hee maine aisee statement maar dee hai...I should be ready to be stoned.. :D )

[poonam]

And not just POW you never know how many civilian Indians (innocent who unknowingly cross the border) prisoners must be there languishing in Pakistani jails.

Now the news is that Pakistan is likely to release some Indian fishermen and other civilians in a goodwill gesture to boost the peace process between the nuclear rivals....but then who knows...

Its a pity that the prime years of their life are spent rotting in the dark dungeons..

[brad]

Forget Pakistan, how many indians vanish in indian jails ?

[jagmohan]

One thing that needs to be understood by members is that this issue of prisoners in Paki jails is a very real one. I agrree with Col Tavathia that there are enough Pakis in Indian Jails who will never be set free, in fact their existence is denied and rightly so. Also consider the level of animosity that exists between the two countries. We have fought bitter wars and the there is a war out there in J&K and NE India, fully sponsored by Pakistan & China.

I remember the BSF shot 13 Bangladeshi civilians including three toddlers in neat the Indo - Pak borber (Basantar River bed) few years back. I myself saw the bodies as the BSF Bn in question was under the command of the Brigade HQ where I was a staff officer. This happened in the early hours of the morning and by afternoon the DIG BSF was shouting from roof tops that 13 Terrorists have been killed while trying to infiltrate from Pakistan. Actually they were all Bihari Muslims of Bangladesh who were trying to go to Pakistan. It is a game that goes on.

If Sarbjeet is released, good for him or his family. The Indian media and 'Bhaands' like Mr Shah Rukh Khan will use this event to their advantage. (Poonam Ji, SRK calls himself 'Bhaand', so I am just addressing him as he likes to be addressed!!)

Regards,

JS Malik

[shailendra]

One thing that needs to be understood by members is that this issue of prisoners in Paki jails is a very real one. I agrree with Col Tavathia that there are enough Pakis in Indian Jails who will never be set free, in fact their existence is denied and rightly so.

The Indian media and 'Bhaands' like Mr Shah Rukh Khan will use this event to their advantage.

Regards,

JS Malik

Col Malik sir, I am a little bit confused, or let's say bewildered actually by your comment there!

If I understood you correct not only there still might be Indian POW's from the 1965 and 1971 wars in Paki jails, that must be on their death beds agewise literally...(with their families still under the impression that they are dead and gone) but so may be the situation in Indian Jail's too??? :confused:

Wow!... Is that a factual situation or these are more recently caught criminals (and in some cases villagers who lost their way across the border) that we are talking about here?

[shubham]

well shailander let me congratulate u for all the support. best lucks for future , but for my opinion is that this is a rather heavily unfolded topic and we should look into this sentimentaly.//////////////////////////////////////////// Ar tajhe bata du bhai ki jo mahra bas chale to in pakistanion ki to jad paad laven. :mad:

[jagmohan]

Dear Shailendra,

It is common knowledge that there were/are about 58 (hope I remember the figure correctly) Indian Prisoners of War (PsOW) from 1965 & 1971 Wars in Pakistani Jails. The Government of India has all the names and the names have been regularly given to Paki Govt. In fact as I write this mail, the home secretaries of both the countries are meeting in Delhi and the issue of PsOW and other civilian prisoners is being discussed. There have been agitations by the next of kin of these soldiers from time to time. It is also common fact that some of these relatives have received a letter or a communication from them. Some civilian prisoners who were lucky to be released from Pak jails have confirmed the presence of these PsOW. It is very difficult for the Paki govt to now accept their presence in their jails and release them. Imagine the public reaction.

Also when we have thousands of undertrials in our own jails, mind you some of them are in custody awaiting trial since 10-15 years, then who is bothered about a few Indians or Pakis languishing in each others jails. Recently one girl, now nearly 30 year old, was relesed from a prison in Assam. She was 16 when she was arrested by the police on theft charges. There are too many intances like these.

I have no doubt that spies who are caught in enemy territory are given up as dead by most governments. Who knows how many of our soldiers or for that matter Paki soldiers have died or disappeared in jails. High time the governments overcome the fear of public anger and release all such prisoners. I believe there can be no greater tribute than freedon for these brave soldiers who were JUST DOING THIER DUTY.

A small anecdote about the undertrials and Haryana Police: I was visiting a cousin of mine who was a SHO in a known town of central Haryana. Every morning a few undertrials used to work in the SHO Sahibs kitchen garden. I remember asking my cousin as to how long these guys would remain in the lock up before a decison about their conviction or release is taken. He replied "Bhai Fauji, ye ulti seedhi baat na pooche. Ye saare chhod diye te aade kam kun karega?" (Dear Fauji, don't ask funny questions. If all of them are released who will wok here?) (Translation for those who don't understand Haryanvi)

Regards,

JS Malik

[jagmohan]

This appeared in The Tribune today.

Kin send proof of POWs to PM
Varinder Walia and Sanjay Bumbroo
Tribune News Service

Amritsar, August 29
The families of prisoners of war (POWs) today sent “concrete evidence” to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, giving proof of the POWs languishing in Pakistani jails.

Canada-based Sheetal Das Kaler, secretary of the South Asian Human Rights Group, also made a startling revelation about the presence of POWs in Kot Lakhpat Rai Jail, Lahore, when he visited the jail to meet Sarbjit Singh, who has been sentenced to death.

The name of Major Ashok Suri was broadcast by Lahore based Radio Pakistan in its acclaimed Punjabi Darbar programme on January 6 and 7, 1972. His father also received letters from a Karachi jail on August 13, 1975, stating that there were at least 20 other Indian officers with him.

The missive to the Prime Minister by Dr Bharat Suri, son of Major Ashok Suri and president of the Missing Defence, Personnel Relatives Association reads, “54 defence personnel have been missing in action since the 1971 war. We have proof that most were captured alive (newspapers, radio broadcasts, handwritten letter in one case). Successive governments have promised support (letters exist from Indira Gandhi and Narasimha Rao pledging support) but not solved this problem.”

Expressing dismay over the “casual approach” of the Central Government about the status of the POWs, Dr Simmi Waraich, daughter of one of the POWs, asked, “When will the war end for these valiant soldiers who had fought for the country ?” Talking to The Tribune, she said the Government of India should prevail upon Pakistan to allow the families of POWs to visit various jails and bring the truth before the world. She said Pakistan had announced the capture of the POWs after the Indo-Pak war.

A Muslim from Malerkotla had also confirmed the presence of the POWs in Pakistani jails .

Major Sharanjitpal Singh Waraich’s name (father of Dr Simmi) is on the top of the list of the 54 POWs from the 1971 war.

Quoting a book published in 1980 titled “Bhutto- Trial and Execution”, covering the period when Bhutto was detained in the Kot Lakhpat jail, Dr Simmi Waraich said Bhutto’s lawyer heard the screams of Indian POWs. Jail staff revealed to Bhutto’s lawyer that they were Indian POWs who had been rendered delinquent and mental after their capture and subsequent torture.

In his book, “Main Pakistan Mein Bharat Ka Jasus Tha”, written by the late Mohanlal Bhaskar, gave a signed affidavit stating that in Fort of Attack, a Pakistani Major Ayaj Ahmed Sipra (imprisoned for conspiring against Bhutto) spoke of his befriending a Gill of the Indian Air Force and a Captain Singh of the Indian Army as well as mentioning that there were around 40 POWs of the 1965 and 1971 wars in that jail and that there was no hope of their release. Bhaskar was in a Pakistan jail on espionage charges.

A Pakistan online report also confirmed that as many as 182 Indian prisoners, including five women, had been languishing in Pakistani jails on “unknown charges” since 1971, and many suffering memory loss.

Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao will present the classified report in the Senate on Wednesday. This is for the first time that a Pakistani government has officially recorded the data of Indian prisoners, many of whom entered Pakistani territory by mistake.

[jagmohan]

Bhai, galti te do be button dab gya tha (Means: I pressed the button twice)

[shailendra]

Dear Shailendra,

It is common knowledge that there were/are about 58 (hope I remember the figure correctly) Indian Prisoners of War (PsOW) from 1965 & 1971 Wars in Pakistani Jails. The Government of India has all the names and the names have been regularly given to Paki Govt. In fact as I write this mail, the home secretaries of both the countries are meeting in Delhi and the issue of PsOW and other civilian prisoners is being discussed. There have been agitations by the next of kin of these soldiers from time to time. It is also common fact that some of these relatives have received a letter or a communication from them. Some civilian prisoners who were lucky to be released from Pak jails have confirmed the presence of these PsOW. It is very difficult for the Paki govt to now accept their presence in their jails and release them. Imagine the public reaction.

I believe there can be no greater tribute than freedon for these brave soldiers who were JUST DOING THIER DUTY.


Regards,

JS Malik

...WOW! I am totally blown out of my mind!
You know reading your response Col Malik (and thanks for taking so much time to elaborate on it...this is really mind boggling for me)...reading it made me remember that documentary not so long ago where they showed this woman (wife of one the supposed POW's in some Pakistani Jail) crying and shaking that old newspaper photograph infront of the camera or for anyone who cared to see... that old tattered picture of some supposed ceremony in some non-discript Pakistani Jail there that had by luck captured the face of one of the prisoners among a small crowd photographed. The face that according to her, even when she had first seen it was unmistakenly that of her husband!
Can you imagine what these next of kin most be going thru? Everyday... Imagine the pain that must tug at the heart strings everytime they would think of their Husbands, Son's...brother's ....friends, in their old age now langushing in a remote jail, in a far land....probably senseless and crazy by now....forgotten hero's that had at some point worn the Indian armed forces uniform with pride and had decided to sacrifice the best period of their lives for the country....least expecting to sacrifice even their old age and mental capabilities...also at the cost of being forgotten from the minds of their own countrymen forever too!
Oh yeah, so we are a billion or more populated country now, so who really cares for some 40-50 odd old crazy people anyways....that is the pathetic part of this whole scenario really!
We talk about being the most quickest advancing nation, but imagine we don't even have the b***s to go free ourn own soldiers even after so long!!! (65' and 71' guys! Geez!)...
Being the son of an ex-army Colonel myself, it just sends shivers and makes my blood boil on this frustration...

And then these recent articles!... (from Tribune that you included) ...Is there no one who can put an end to this madness? What is the government doing when supposedly they too know this is a fact? Can't they in a big show of good-will and bonhomie, offer to mutually exchange all these POW's now...even now....better late then never...simply because those war's are long over and done with!!!?!!!

[pup030]

...WOW! I am totally blown out of my mind!
You know reading your response Col Malik (and thanks for taking so much time to elaborate on it...this is really mind boggling for me)...reading it made me remember that documentary not so long ago where they showed this woman (wife of one the supposed POW's in some Pakistani Jail) crying and shaking that old newspaper photograph infront of the camera or for anyone who cared to see... that old tattered picture of some supposed ceremony in some non-discript Pakistani Jail there that had by luck captured the face of one of the prisoners among a small crowd photographed. The face that according to her, even when she had first seen it was unmistakenly that of her husband!
Can you imagine what these next of kin most be going thru? Everyday... Imagine the pain that must tug at the heart strings everytime they would think of their Husbands, Son's...brother's ....friends, in their old age now langushing in a remote jail, in a far land....probably senseless and crazy by now....forgotten hero's that had at some point worn the Indian armed forces uniform with pride and had decided to sacrifice the best period of their lives for the country....least expecting to sacrifice even their old age and mental capabilities...also at the cost of being forgotten from the minds of their own countrymen forever too!
Oh yeah, so we are a billion or more populated country now, so who really cares for some 40-50 odd old crazy people anyways....that is the pathetic part of this whole scenario really!
We talk about being the most quickest advancing nation, but imagine we don't even have the b***s to go free ourn own soldiers even after so long!!! (65' and 71' guys! Geez!)...
Being the son of an ex-army Colonel myself, it just sends shivers and makes my blood boil on this frustration...

And then these recent articles!... (from Tribune that you included) ...Is there no one who can put an end to this madness? What is the government doing when supposedly they too know this is a fact? Can't they in a big show of good-will and bonhomie, offer to mutually exchange all these POW's now...even now....better late then never...simply because those war's are long over and done with!!!?!!!

Shailendra,

It comes as no surprise to me and the circumstances and the ground situation as it exists is a tale of shame. Does anyone care for those men in olive greens??? The answer is an emphatic NO. I have seen action from close quarters as one was with the Indian Air Force. No one really cares and my reason of quitting the IAF was similar to the trauma being faced by these hapless families for whom Hope still Floats. The nation owes it to these soldiers and their families but then it takes more than sympathatic words which are rountinely doled out by the powers that be and those words do not serve any purpose, do they, have not so far.

We have tyrants who move and shake things in this country. Had we been like those Israelies (i admire those Jews), Pakistan would not even think of holding on to our soldiers. Something, in terms of what Israel did in the 60s and the 70s could be done but then that would take more than words. These soldiers took upon themselves to defend the entire nation and now that they need the entire nation, they remain in isolation and in the firm grip of an enemy. Thats bitter irony..the situation can still be salvaged by taking a leaf out of Israel's book.

What a shame??????

[devdahiya]

...WOW! I am totally blown out of my mind!
You know reading your response Col Malik (and thanks for taking so much time to elaborate on it...this is really mind boggling for me)...reading it made me remember that documentary not so long ago where they showed this woman (wife of one the supposed POW's in some Pakistani Jail) crying and shaking that old newspaper photograph infront of the camera or for anyone who cared to see... that old tattered picture of some supposed ceremony in some non-discript Pakistani Jail there that had by luck captured the face of one of the prisoners among a small crowd photographed. The face that according to her, even when she had first seen it was unmistakenly that of her husband!
Can you imagine what these next of kin most be going thru? Everyday... Imagine the pain that must tug at the heart strings everytime they would think of their Husbands, Son's...brother's ....friends, in their old age now langushing in a remote jail, in a far land....probably senseless and crazy by now....forgotten hero's that had at some point worn the Indian armed forces uniform with pride and had decided to sacrifice the best period of their lives for the country....least expecting to sacrifice even their old age and mental capabilities...also at the cost of being forgotten from the minds of their own countrymen forever too!
Oh yeah, so we are a billion or more populated country now, so who really cares for some 40-50 odd old crazy people anyways....that is the pathetic part of this whole scenario really!
We talk about being the most quickest advancing nation, but imagine we don't even have the b***s to go free ourn own soldiers even after so long!!! (65' and 71' guys! Geez!)...
Being the son of an ex-army Colonel myself, it just sends shivers and makes my blood boil on this frustration...

And then these recent articles!... (from Tribune that you included) ...Is there no one who can put an end to this madness? What is the government doing when supposedly they too know this is a fact? Can't they in a big show of good-will and bonhomie, offer to mutually exchange all these POW's now...even now....better late then never...simply because those war's are long over and done with!!!?!!!



My dear Shailendra,

The print media and lately the Electronic media is full of the stories published from time to time [and are being published still] of the human right violation. This disease is as old as our civilization[if ican call it civilization] There is nothing one can do to eliminate these cruelities till such times we have men made boundaries ,hatred for one another, Greed to dominate this planet, Might is right attitude and Dubious state policies. All nations are the culprits without exception and as such there is hardly anything which can be done in this regard because the hatred has become the bone of STATE POLICY and not the SECURITY CONCERNS[which used to be] and as such it is not easy to monitor being a very sensitive matter, connected to the top secret blade of the Broader State defence policy of various states. Tears will dry up but these violations are here to stay. Only thing you and me can do is...PRAY FOR RAM RAJYA?

[spdeshwal]

Sarabjeet ke khilaph jhuthi gawahi di-witness

http://us.jagran.com/newssite/details.asp?storyid=1725951&editonid=0

[mukeshkumar007]

Read what Musharraf said on Sarbjit. He told that Sarbjit is a terrorist.

http://www.ndtv.com/msnnewsdesk/topstory.asp?category=National&id=17728