Caste wars

[prachi]

Read about the recent news item about jats burning down dalit houses. What is the meaning of all of this? How much does caste matter now-a-days? I do not remember asking people about which caste they belong to. Forget about discriminating against them because of it.
Can anyone think why one needs to do such an act and what do they really prove from such acts. It is definately not we would like people to think about us.

[shailendra]

Read about the recent news item about jats burning down dalit houses. What is the meaning of all of this? How much does caste matter now-a-days? I do not remember asking people about which caste they belong to. Forget about discriminating against them because of it.
Can anyone think why one needs to do such an act and what do they really prove from such acts. It is definately not we would like people to think about us.

Hmmmm...yes, a truly sad state of affairs when one comes to think of how we have been the slave of the caste status quo for so long and still continue to cling to the negative aspects of it more than the positive!...
Caste should be something that brings not only pride but raises the aspirations of a community together to a higher level ....of creating a niche among it's peers....
But as you can see unfortunatley this 'pride' thing gets misconstruted like the incident mentioned above to take the ugly face of communalism!

No one can feel pride and respect for one's own community if this is all we can be or have to show at the end of the day...if this is all we have to give as an example to our nation; a mutual hatered and forceful dominance of the weaker masses!

[harvindermalik]

jo hua galat hua...jo ho rha hai wo usse bhi galat ho rha hai.... media is playing very irresponsible role….sham ko dekha rhe the ki 900 ghar jla diye…phir bole..500..fir aaye Star News wale 50 pr…ab Sahara wale kah rhe hai ki 35 ghar jaale hai… ek mohlle aur kasbe k sad event to national level pr fear jaisa project karne ki koshis ki ja rhi hai…b,coz esme DALIT angle hai…..very SAD…… ab kuchh tathakathit…Dalit thekedaar apani roti senkenge….
But again jo hua jitna hua…galat hai..nhi hona chahiye….we need to be in news for batter reasons not like these …

[captmanjeet]

Read about the recent news item about jats burning down dalit houses. What is the meaning of all of this? How much does caste matter now-a-days? I do not remember asking people about which caste they belong to. Forget about discriminating against them because of it.
Can anyone think why one needs to do such an act and what do they really prove from such acts. It is definately not we would like people to think about us.
who says caste doesn't matters in todays pretext.It matters thats why we have a site known as jatland where only jats are allowed (or should be allowed) to join.I remember once somebody was discusing about a pandit ji profile on jat matrimonials and my all friends here were furious about that and i must say this forum is of "pade likhe" peaple.so in india every one of us are caste biased It may not be true abraod because there the natinality becomes more important.
Regarding the gohana incident read the details about the incident and the truth behind the whole episode in the posting by jakhar in the thread "gohana"started by harendra.
Manjeet

[dourwal_jat]

its all bullshit to say that jats have done this...well we all are fully aware that how todays media is purely dominated by brahamans and banias...they call our leaders jat leaders...but have you people ever heard them saying brahaman leader or bania leader??? NO.they are only leaders...i m not saying that what has happened is good but people should use there own braine

[roopak]

hey come on guys this discussion was started by prachi by saying tht whtever happened was wrong coz castes shouldn't be the criteria here but ..some of my learned friends have started caste wars here choosing it to be an open platform ..its quite strange to c...but this site is here to promote awareness and bonding btn the jats there is no doubt abt tht, but it doesn't say tht one should be confined to jatism only..so plz without diverting from the main issue i.e. whtever happened there in gohana was wrong....on should respect others also......i hope i m not acting as master darya singh here....yeh sab jisne bhi kiya hai wo jat ka matlab samjhta hi nahi hai.....or jo log iska istemaal karenge wo bhi....balmikiyon ke thekedaar nahi hain ...so stop thinking abt th...just find a way out to stop all this nonsense.....i hope tht will help our purpose......

Regards,
Rupender Singh

[devdahiya]

hey come on guys this discussion was started by prachi by saying tht whtever happened was wrong coz castes shouldn't be the criteria here but ..some of my learned friends have started caste wars here choosing it to be an open platform ..its quite strange to c...but this site is here to promote awareness and bonding btn the jats there is no doubt abt tht, but it doesn't say tht one should be confined to jatism only..so plz without diverting from the main issue i.e. whtever happened there in gohana was wrong....on should respect others also......i hope i m not acting as master darya singh here....yeh sab jisne bhi kiya hai wo jat ka matlab samjhta hi nahi hai.....or jo log iska istemaal karenge wo bhi....balmikiyon ke thekedaar nahi hain ...so stop thinking abt th...just find a way out to stop all this nonsense.....i hope tht will help our purpose......

Regards,
Rupender Singh



THANX RUPESH

[prachi]

Well i did read the gohana thead. I cannot understnd that why were the jats not the ones manipulating the media? I really cannot believe that media is manipulating things to such an extent. Could the jats not do things in the proper way and not take law in their own hands. Afterall we are the majority there! when all the small and not so small incidents were happening why could they not take action earlier and depend upon panchayati decisions? Where were the police? Or do they say that the police too were taking side of the dalits?
Not that i am against panchayat but they cannot always be right. I do recall an earlier panchayati ruling about a married jat couple with kids who had their marriage annulled by them. It is at times more like mass reaction then always the right thing.
As far as not beleiving in caste system and logging on to jatland. I donot think its wrong as i do beleive that we should be united to help each other in posiive ways and not ganging up against people belonging to other castes.
prachi

[priti]

Prachi, you have sorted my mind (refer to my post in the other gohana thread)...I completely agree with you. There is no use of taking law in your hands...it'll most likely go against you....and then we say why dont jats get emphathised with....well, hello, we never make an attmept to be understood and fairly represented.

Abhi tak no jat has come forward and has furnished any factual information about the person killed, the girl raped and other crimes by that dalit community to the media....why is that??

[captmanjeet]

Hi preeti and prachi
I totally agree with u ladies in the aspect that our pr is weak we are not interested at all in the projection of our actions, we consider that we are the one who just do the job and it is some else's job to put our deeds in limelight. We just leave everything on the prerogative of the storyteller now it our wishes of story teller what he wants to come up with.
Media will only show that aspect which increase its TRP ratings that is why today we have news channels which are making investments in sting operations we have special segments of approx. 1 hour on every news channel of crime and invariably they have at least one story in that program regarding sex murder or rape. They depict or project the story in such a way to create lots of interests of viewers. Media in my opinion is not interested in putting the story of murder of jat youth or a rape in remote rural haryana but when it comes down to so called dalits being harassed by upper caste that story gets mileage. It sells like hot cakes in today socio-political scenario and if it sell it will be shown. Media has to grow in its responsibility to show the truth they should refrain from making a truth themselves by showing distorted version of any sensitive story.
Someone here also wrote about jats should recognize themselves as a political force they should vote as a block as done by other castes or communities. I don’t know how correct I am but would we not propagating caste system then??????? We want to make our society caste free we say so in threads like inter caste marriages and many more aren't we acting hypocrites
Capt manjeet

[vdeswal]

aaj tak, sab kuch dikhaya humney aajtak, jo hua ,jo hoga or jo na hua, aajtak, being a critic hi hai hamara main funda aajtak,police ney pakda ya...bhagyaa aajtak, doesnt matter but police hai wrong aajtak. Mumbai floods sabsey badi aajtak, humney bhi uspey transmit kiya sab kuch aajtak,MCD Ya mumbai sarkaar jo aaya haath usko irresposnsibility ka diya taaj aajtak, Shaadi ho krishma ki yaa kiss ho karina ki hamney dikhya aajtak,personal private sab bhool gaye to kasiey miss kar sakytey hai phir unkey talaak ka episode aajtak.Probelm,poverty,poor,priority se matlab nahin aajtak, bus jo mila vo hi dikha diya aajtak.

Gurgaon case: Police nae aisey nahin ki thi itni pitaai kissi ki aajtak. jitna peeta workers ko hamney dikhyaa aajtak,per bhool gaye dikhaana vo indiscipline act and worker ne thaa jab peeta police ko untill death 2 din pehley tak.kyon ki hum to dikha saktey hai vo hi jo laga haath aajtak.issiliye even din't talk about the original topic aajtak.

Gohana case: Bhool gaye jaat bhai ki maut or dikhay one person crying for his colour tv theft by mob aajtak.Dalit-dalit hi kehtey rahey aaj tak, kyon ki nahin chahtey touch karna vo JAAT ko aajtak.Materialistic cheejey jal gayi or hum dikhaatey rhaye rona pitnaa unka aajtak, per kaisey bhool gaye hum baljeet ka murder jiskey culprit miley nahin hai aajtak.daliton ka jala ghar in respond to bad act, dikhtey rahey uska rona pitna aajtak per bhool gaye uss maa ko jiska khoya laal in sensless death aajtak. Agar gaye jaat bigad to sambhlegey nahin aasaani se meh keh deta hoon aaj phir, kyon ki bigdey jaat ko samjhaaney wala mila nahin hai aaj tak.

ye hai sachaai aajtak.Topic miley usko udaa do hawaa mein or dikhao aajtak.kya hua telgi ka..koi news nahin hai aajtak, kya hua Nagpur mein miley room full of foriegn curruncy ka..koi nahin hai khulasa aajtak.Ghotaaley dikhayee saarey aajtak per end result dikhana bhool gaye sabka aaJTAK.Latest Kuraishi (UP MLA) ki beti ki shaadi ka khracha dikhya tha kal, per mai kehta hoon vo hi tha inka first and last topic about it aajtak.phir dikhaya kyon ye sab drama aajtak jab touch nahin saktey kisi jurm ko really aajtak.

AAJTAK-SABSEY TEZ, SABSEY AAGEY,SABSEY NAKLI.

[captmanjeet]

well said vijay i second your thoughts!!!!

[dahiyarules]

Well its all in the ehart.

Prachi! Can call you by that name if you dont mind? I want to ask you a question. Would you mind if you son or daughter was to marry a SC/ST, BLACK man or woman. If the answer is no, then I think that you strongly believe in your views. If the answer is yes, it means you are a victim of political correctness. You dont need to tell the answer. Keep it to yourself.

Race adn caste do matter. Atleast for me. I dont mind socializing or doing business with all kinds of people. But I do mind breeding with people who different from me.

I dont want to challenge your views, and I hope that you shall respect the same for me.

Have a good day.

[abhishek]

For Bleeding-Hearts & Holier-than-thou Assoicates and lovers of objectivity

Intra-Dalit friction sparked Gohana row (http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story4%2Etxt&counter_img=4)


The Gohana incident, in which houses of 12 Dalits were torched on Wednesday near Sonepat, has divided the community with the Khatiks - the non-Balmiki Dalits - holding the view that what happened at Balmiki Basti was a fallout of the "criminal indulgences of the Balmiki youths that had enraged the locals".


The Haryana bandh called by the Dalit panchayat, meanwhile, received a muted response. Shops and vends functioned as usual in the area.


These youths did not spare even the policemen. Former DSP Kuldeep Shivach and disrobed and beaten up in his office, informed a villager. "The incident is not an outcome of caste dispute. It represents people's frustration over and anger against their misdeeds," he said.

[devdahiya]

aaj tak, sab kuch dikhaya humney aajtak, jo hua ,jo hoga or jo na hua, aajtak, being a critic hi hai hamara main funda aajtak,police ney pakda ya...bhagyaa aajtak, doesnt matter but police hai wrong aajtak. Mumbai floods sabsey badi aajtak, humney bhi uspey transmit kiya sab kuch aajtak,MCD Ya mumbai sarkaar jo aaya haath usko irresposnsibility ka diya taaj aajtak, Shaadi ho krishma ki yaa kiss ho karina ki hamney dikhya aajtak,personal private sab bhool gaye to kasiey miss kar sakytey hai phir unkey talaak ka episode aajtak.Probelm,poverty,poor,priority se matlab nahin aajtak, bus jo mila vo hi dikha diya aajtak.

Gurgaon case: Police nae aisey nahin ki thi itni pitaai kissi ki aajtak. jitna peeta workers ko hamney dikhyaa aajtak,per bhool gaye dikhaana vo indiscipline act and worker ne thaa jab peeta police ko untill death 2 din pehley tak.kyon ki hum to dikha saktey hai vo hi jo laga haath aajtak.issiliye even din't talk about the original topic aajtak.

Gohana case: Bhool gaye jaat bhai ki maut or dikhay one person crying for his colour tv theft by mob aajtak.Dalit-dalit hi kehtey rahey aaj tak, kyon ki nahin chahtey touch karna vo JAAT ko aajtak.Materialistic cheejey jal gayi or hum dikhaatey rhaye rona pitnaa unka aajtak, per kaisey bhool gaye hum baljeet ka murder jiskey culprit miley nahin hai aajtak.daliton ka jala ghar in respond to bad act, dikhtey rahey uska rona pitna aajtak per bhool gaye uss maa ko jiska khoya laal in sensless death aajtak. Agar gaye jaat bigad to sambhlegey nahin aasaani se meh keh deta hoon aaj phir, kyon ki bigdey jaat ko samjhaaney wala mila nahin hai aaj tak.

ye hai sachaai aajtak.Topic miley usko udaa do hawaa mein or dikhao aajtak.kya hua telgi ka..koi news nahin hai aajtak, kya hua Nagpur mein miley room full of foriegn curruncy ka..koi nahin hai khulasa aajtak.Ghotaaley dikhayee saarey aajtak per end result dikhana bhool gaye sabka aaJTAK.Latest Kuraishi (UP MLA) ki beti ki shaadi ka khracha dikhya tha kal, per mai kehta hoon vo hi tha inka first and last topic about it aajtak.phir dikhaya kyon ye sab drama aajtak jab touch nahin saktey kisi jurm ko really aajtak.

AAJTAK-SABSEY TEZ, SABSEY AAGEY,SABSEY NAKLI.



Great way to put across your point of view. Smart guy .....You dear VIJAY. God bless you !

[sukhbirsingh]

Well its all in the ehart.

Prachi! Can call you by that name if you dont mind? I want to ask you a question. Would you mind if you son or daughter was to marry a SC/ST, BLACK man or woman. If the answer is no, then I think that you strongly believe in your views. If the answer is yes, it means you are a victim of political correctness. You dont need to tell the answer. Keep it to yourself.

Race adn caste do matter. Atleast for me. I dont mind socializing or doing business with all kinds of people. But I do mind breeding with people who different from me.

I dont want to challenge your views, and I hope that you shall respect the same for me.

Have a good day.

I think you are right Mr. Dahiya and I have same opinion like you.
Well Prachi have u read that tribune article in whichn it is written that That basti was full of criminal activities and even the local shopkeeper were very happy with that incident can you think why? well no body here discussed about that SIWACH brother who has been killed by these peoples and in revange what has been done no body has been killed they have taught one lesson. Well it is the history of jats they never kill or fight first but they always do this in revange.

[prachi]

HI!
I came across a few replies on belief in Casteism and Jatism.
well someone asked me if i would agree if tommorrow my kids want to marry outside jats. Speaking straight from my heart, I would not look for ones caste but their compatiblity with not just with individual but also with family. If one has a decent future and good family I would have no objection. I would love if he happens to be a jat too. Now-a-days your action "Karma" determines you caste that is what I beleive. But this is besides the point.
The question is why does individual things being labelled as "Jat Events". Why cannot we project the right image why do we have to have such bad representation in the society. Why do we come into news for the wrong reasons. Why was the incident projected as Jats vs dalits rather than say rebel against the hooligans or rebelion aginst inaction by the police and administration?????

[sukhbirsingh]

HI!
I came across a few replies on belief in Casteism and Jatism.
well someone asked me if i would agree if tommorrow my kids want to marry outside jats. Speaking straight from my heart, I would not look for ones caste but their compatiblity with not just with individual but also with family. If one has a decent future and good family I would have no objection. I would love if he happens to be a jat too. Now-a-days your action "Karma" determines you caste that is what I beleive. But this is besides the point.
The question is why does individual things being labelled as "Jat Events". Why cannot we project the right image why do we have to have such bad representation in the society. Why do we come into news for the wrong reasons. Why was the incident projected as Jats vs dalits rather than say rebel against the hooligans or rebelion aginst inaction by the police and administration?????
Please dont mind if you dont beleve in JATISM than can i ask you a question -than why you are here on this website, which clearely indicates that this is for jats and even narrowed down to hindu jats. Plesae dont mind just think why you here????

[prachi]

Because I like being a jat and would like to see what others from my community believe. Again I am stating that i strongly beleive staying together for positive reasons and not discriminating against others just because they belong to some other caste. Staying together is not casteism as i see.

[mkrana]

HI!
I came across a few replies on belief in Casteism and Jatism.
well someone asked me if i would agree if tommorrow my kids want to marry outside jats. Speaking straight from my heart, I would not look for ones caste but their compatiblity with not just with individual but also with family. If one has a decent future and good family I would have no objection. I would love if he happens to be a jat too. Now-a-days your action "Karma" determines you caste that is what I beleive. But this is besides the point.
The question is why does individual things being labelled as "Jat Events". Why cannot we project the right image why do we have to have such bad representation in the society. Why do we come into news for the wrong reasons. Why was the incident projected as Jats vs dalits rather than say rebel against the hooligans or rebelion aginst inaction by the police and administration?????

Hi Prachi,
Could not stop myself replying to your mail. First and foremost I appreciate and respect you views about 'karma-based-castes' and an interesting look to Jat-Dalit issues as "rebel against hooligan".
People criticise jats because most Jats say a spade a spade - in flat ak-khad way. They often don't sugar-coat their words ( I am not saying sugar-coating is bad but we simply don't ). What is Jatism - it is one of our blood element, part of environment we grew into. Have you wonder lately why do you feel restless if you see something wrong unless you raise a voice against that? How many of us care about the cost we might have to pay for raising that voice? Result - most often we loose some favors we would have got if kept quiet.

Your views against marrying children 'outside' castes are also appreciated - because those are YOUR views about YOUR children.
But to be further politically correct - Who are you to decide about your childern's marriage choice, it is THEIR choice and NOT YOURS. They may inform you about their partners and it then you decide whether you can live with them or not? Who are you to verify the family compatibility.

Regarding "karma-based" caste - I got confused as I am not sure which caste I belong to then? Which Karmas will influence more towards deciding my caste? Who will accept my such self attained caste? And why are we talking about this form of caste also - this is more politically correct - but still a caste and divide people - Why don't we see yourself as 'Human' but that will again differentiate between animals. Then is it safe if we call ourself as "Living being" - I think this is the only level we will not differentiate among fellow living being.
Or when you refered to Karma - you meant to differntiate between good-Karma and bad-karma - But in that case who will decide what is good and what is bad. Remember nothing is absolute. Situtations make issues and responses good OR bad. The same instance of retaliation can be hailed for the courage put to end the constant source of annoyance OR can also be viewed as 'powerful local crushed poor Dalits' as media portrayed. Both is not complete without talking situation/environment in picture.

If you are concerned about the jat bad image by other people - then you can't do much about that as in many cases people are biased. The issues can be so trivial as they don't like you because your accent is too thick ... without caring about their own. So I stopped caring about these now. It is demand supply thing ... if these same people need me then they do anything to get the favor - and that is the only time I know they 'like' me and my turn to get something back :p

[sukhbirsingh]

Because I like being a jat and would like to see what others from my community believe. Again I am stating that i strongly beleive staying together for positive reasons and not discriminating against others just because they belong to some other caste. Staying together is not casteism as i see.
Hi
Prachi its good to know your comments but in my opinion you believe in castism - thats why you said I like being a jat and thats why you are here. Well You should read this http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050908/haryana.htm#1
From this what I can say that If somebody kill Jat by large no of person of a particular Cast than it is not bad atleast to burn their house. Here they have not killed anyperson but they want to tell them dont take such action against my people. Well One most important thing which i have realised by growing in this community is that Jat live for their prestige and for this they can do anything. Well You see what congress is doing here giving money to those persons whos are the real culprit behind this whole scenario. Well why everybody is shouting dalit dalit why not for that person who has been killed.