Gohana(Sonipat)

[hamendra]

Please go through the news and please comment

http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/01dalit.htm

http://ind.jagran.com/NewsSite/citynews.asp?storyid=1715620&cityid=16&stateid=6&lpageno=2

[devdahiya]

Please go through the news and please comment

http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/01dalit.htm




Aissa lagta hai ki Bhuppi Hooda ko CM nahi rehne denge........KAHIN PE NIGAHEN KAHIN PE NISHANA.

[jitendershooda]

There is a dalit basti ( chudhe hein sare ) in mid of Gohana. All these so called innocent dalits are involved in the Smuggling, Smake and loot pat and murders...

1. 2-3 months ago they killed a person from Butana ...
2. Now on 27 th aug they killed one Jat from Ghadwal village of siwach's and kaliraman's.
3. Recently they kidnapped one girl from Kathura village and Raped her ...
4. All the surrounding residents of gohana were very much exploited of their daily loot paat and ched chad with thier girls and ladies ..

Now the pachayat held of 12 villages ( bahehre ki ) on last saturday and after that on wednesday .... in the last one only they have utlimated CM and the prasasan that if they will not do anything till 12 wednesday then we will do like this ....

Yesterday night i was watching NDTV and there the media persons were only potraying all this like that the dalits were innocent and it gone all exploitation of them ....blamed Pardeep son of sh. kishan singh sangwan, though he was there in the panchayat but the decision was of the panchyat all over.

They were intervewing one of the dalits who told so much innocently that they all were small workers and donot know why all this happen to their villages ...

Media again showed that they only need material to falsh upon and nowhere they were interested in finding the actual reality and bring it in front first rather than calling the same song of dalit exploitation.

Look to those victims of these Chudhas ... Here i want to bring forward how that Siwach was killed on 27th. He was beaten so badly first and then they broke his neck !!!!!! is it humanity and what is done is very less to them !!!

The youth of this bahra are saying to chop all of the victims when and where they will find them ...... this is exactly right as prasasan will not do such things ....

[hamendra]

Jitendra Hooda Jee,

Thanks for detailed info.
Yesterday, all the news channels just talking about Dalits and blaming only Jats. I am really fad up with the media.

Please put more comments on it.

[singh1981]

Sorry Mr. hooda. ..but i am not agrry with u...Its a really shamefull act by jats of gohana.

"what is done is very less to them !!! " what else do u want. Ek jat maara(kisne mara abhi tak pata nahi) aur uske badle main logon ki puri basti jala do.. aap ky achahte thae ki uske badle main un sabhi 2000 logon ko bhi us basti kai saath jala dete...Just think about this on humanitarian ground.

aur media se aap kya chahte hain.....aake bole ki boss kya mahan kaam kiya hai...aapko to veerta chakar meelna chahiye...Aur vo vahan kai sansad Mr sangwaan...media ki ek baat ka jawab nahi de paaye...
Agar unhe aur unke saath jin logon ko bhi lagat hai ki jo hua thik hua...to jaao apne aap ko defend kar kai dekhao.....do media ki baaton ka jawab ...

The truth is un logon nai pure desh kai saamne Jaaton kai moonh pai kaalikh poth di..

really shamefull act...

==
Sukhbir

[virmaramjyani]

i m a media person bt unfortunately media persenting wrong thing. it was just newton`s third law..aCTION & REACTION THEORY. hamari history rahi ki hamne hamala nahin kiya hai sirf hamalon ka munh otd jawab diya hai......

[hamendra]

i m a media person bt unfortunately media persenting wrong thing. it was just newton`s third law..aCTION & REACTION THEORY. hamari history rahi ki hamne hamala nahin kiya hai sirf hamalon ka munh otd jawab diya hai......
Great Bhai,

That's the fact.

[gaganjat]

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[gaganjat]

Gohane tai likadte hi road pe pahlya gaam mahra sai "Ghadi ghilala'
Ar manne aaj tahi isa kuch nhi suna tha.

Ib Jata nai kuch kiya hai to , theek hi kiya hoga.

Mera Dada panchayte hai. Ar manne bera sai ude ki panchayat andy kaam kiya kare.

50 ghar kya 500 admi jalane chayie the jato ko. Human rights ki issi tissi.


Sorry Mr. hooda. ..but i am not agrry with u...Its a really shamefull act by jats of gohana.

"what is done is very less to them !!! " what else do u want. Ek jat maara(kisne mara abhi tak pata nahi) aur uske badle main logon ki puri basti jala do.. aap ky achahte thae ki uske badle main un sabhi 2000 logon ko bhi us basti kai saath jala dete...Just think about this on humanitarian ground.

aur media se aap kya chahte hain.....aake bole ki boss kya mahan kaam kiya hai...aapko to veerta chakar meelna chahiye...Aur vo vahan kai sansad Mr sangwaan...media ki ek baat ka jawab nahi de paaye...
Agar unhe aur unke saath jin logon ko bhi lagat hai ki jo hua thik hua...to jaao apne aap ko defend kar kai dekhao.....do media ki baaton ka jawab ...

The truth is un logon nai pure desh kai saamne Jaaton kai moonh pai kaalikh poth di..

really shamefull act...

==
Sukhbir

[lathwaal2003]

dear members


yeh jo baat hai ki media is right that was just in the begining dayz of media..now a days media is jus like a baniye ki dukaan kaun kitna masala bechta hai ....kisi bhi baat ke saath apna kucch jod do aur paisa kamao...........media ko to joot marne chahiye ......situation control main help karna to door yeh media use aur bhadka dete hain.............dekho plus minus har cheez ke hain but media is using its power in wrong way ....coz they kno nobody blaim them so they r doin wt they want..............aur yeh jo ek bhai kah raha hai ki jaton ne naam kharaab kar diya bhai tu na apna change karwa le aur unke saath mil jaa.........theek hai humne wahan jaton ne galat kiya par pahle unhone kiya naa ..........dekho aatte ke saath ghun to pista hi hai usme koi kucch nahin kar sakta .........unhe koi isliye nahin kucch kahega coz they r of low caste hmmmm yeh cast ke chakkar mein pahle hi bada nuksaan ho chuka hai yeh low caste wale mast kucch na karein naam naam likh aayein form par inki selection ...........to yeh sab galat hai hum jat hain to hum par hi baat aayegi aisa sochna galat hai.............

surender lathwaal

[virmaramjyani]

lathwal bhaisaab aapka kehna sahi hai... lekin itni gali bhee mat do. apne log media mein anguliyon par gine ja sakte hain isliye sahi facts ko pesh karna sambhav nahin hai.

[singh1981]

bhai tu media ti chod .....jalte ghar to tane bhi dekhe honge TV pai...ek vo bhi media nai nakli dikhaye...
aur ek bhai bolen lag tahya hai ...ki 500 aadmi hi jala dene tahe....ek baat bata sabne maar kai tu kai aude kala geet gave ga....arr rai baat panchayat ki to maine bhi dekh rakhya hai panchayat kise kaam kiya kare....

aate kai saath ghun bhi pista hai....
ghun aur insan mai kime pharak hota hai ki nahi.....aur yahi harkat agar vo kar dete to ..ghar unke jaale hain....baki logon kai bhi jaal sakte thae......biwi bachee unke hain ...to wahan rahne waale baki logon kai bhi hain....nu choti-2 mansikta leke ek dusare ka ghar phookan lag gaye to chal liya kaam....

aur maine to pahle bhi kaha tha...agar jinhe lagat hai ki jo kiya thik kiya..vo samane aayein....bataein duniya ko ....agar wakai unhe lagat hai ki unhone kuch galat nahi kiya rakhein sabke samane apna maat ..aab kyon panchayat lukhti handan lag rahi hai.. kyonki unhe bhi maalum hai unhone jokiya hai vo galat hai...

bhai mere main bhi chahta hoon ki jaaton ki chavi sudhre......jab vo ndtv waali bandi baar -2 bole rahi thi ki jaaton nai ghar jala diye...aur Jaaton pai jis sercastic way mai vo stress daal rahi .....aapka logon ka to pata nahi par mujhe vo bahut chub raha tha...lekin kuch nahi kar sakta tha...kyonki jo vo bole rahi such tha......

nyway is there any other member here who feels ki jo hua galat hua...



dear members


yeh jo baat hai ki media is right that was just in the begining dayz of media..now a days media is jus like a baniye ki dukaan kaun kitna masala bechta hai ....kisi bhi baat ke saath apna kucch jod do aur paisa kamao...........media ko to joot marne chahiye ......situation control main help karna to door yeh media use aur bhadka dete hain.............dekho plus minus har cheez ke hain but media is using its power in wrong way ....coz they kno nobody blaim them so they r doin wt they want..............aur yeh jo ek bhai kah raha hai ki jaton ne naam kharaab kar diya bhai tu na apna change karwa le aur unke saath mil jaa.........theek hai humne wahan jaton ne galat kiya par pahle unhone kiya naa ..........dekho aatte ke saath ghun to pista hi hai usme koi kucch nahin kar sakta .........unhe koi isliye nahin kucch kahega coz they r of low caste hmmmm yeh cast ke chakkar mein pahle hi bada nuksaan ho chuka hai yeh low caste wale mast kucch na karein naam naam likh aayein form par inki selection ...........to yeh sab galat hai hum jat hain to hum par hi baat aayegi aisa sochna galat hai.............

surender lathwaal

[hamendra]

bhai tu media ti chod .....jalte ghar to tane bhi dekhe honge TV pai...ek vo bhi media nai nakli dikhaye...
aur ek bhai bolen lag tahya hai ...ki 500 aadmi hi jala dene tahe....ek baat bata sabne maar kai tu kai aude kala geet gave ga....arr rai baat panchayat ki to maine bhi dekh rakhya hai panchayat kise kaam kiya kare....

aate kai saath ghun bhi pista hai....
ghun aur insan mai kime pharak hota hai ki nahi.....aur yahi harkat agar vo kar dete to ..ghar unke jaale hain....baki logon kai bhi jaal sakte thae......biwi bachee unke hain ...to wahan rahne waale baki logon kai bhi hain....nu choti-2 mansikta leke ek dusare ka ghar phookan lag gaye to chal liya kaam....

aur maine to pahle bhi kaha tha...agar jinhe lagat hai ki jo kiya thik kiya..vo samane aayein....bataein duniya ko ....agar wakai unhe lagat hai ki unhone kuch galat nahi kiya rakhein sabke samane apna maat ..aab kyon panchayat lukhti handan lag rahi hai.. kyonki unhe bhi maalum hai unhone jokiya hai vo galat hai...

bhai mere main bhi chahta hoon ki jaaton ki chavi sudhre......jab vo ndtv waali bandi baar -2 bole rahi thi ki jaaton nai ghar jala diye...aur Jaaton pai jis sercastic way mai vo stress daal rahi .....aapka logon ka to pata nahi par mujhe vo bahut chub raha tha...lekin kuch nahi kar sakta tha...kyonki jo vo bole rahi such tha......

nyway is there any other member here who feels ki jo hua galat hua...
Mere Bhai,

Jub Wo Jaat ka ladka mara tha media kahna gayee thee. Ghar jalne ke baad media aa gayee. UP mai harizon act laaye Jatte hai JATON par tab media kahna jaatee hai. Eak dalit ko touch kar te hee Puree Media hill jaatee hai. Hamein mai bhee dukh hota hai jab JAAT ka naam galt tareeke se liya jata hai.

[jitender_singh]

Hi,

aisa hai bhaad main gaya media bhaad main gayee prestige...
haan 1 baat hai galtee toh ho gayee unse .. khali ghar kyon jalaye...
unhe bhi phoonk dena tha..

humantarian ground ki asiee ki taisee ,.. jat bhi dabne lage toh ho liya fer kaam...

Regards
Jitender
:mad:

[gaganjat]

Go there and do some reconstruction work.

No takers of your crap here.

Jatland ki jagah kisi human rights ki site pe ja.




bhai tu media ti chod .....jalte ghar to tane bhi dekhe honge TV pai...ek vo bhi media nai nakli dikhaye...
aur ek bhai bolen lag tahya hai ...ki 500 aadmi hi jala dene tahe....ek baat bata sabne maar kai tu kai aude kala geet gave ga....arr rai baat panchayat ki to maine bhi dekh rakhya hai panchayat kise kaam kiya kare....

aate kai saath ghun bhi pista hai....
ghun aur insan mai kime pharak hota hai ki nahi.....aur yahi harkat agar vo kar dete to ..ghar unke jaale hain....baki logon kai bhi jaal sakte thae......biwi bachee unke hain ...to wahan rahne waale baki logon kai bhi hain....nu choti-2 mansikta leke ek dusare ka ghar phookan lag gaye to chal liya kaam....

aur maine to pahle bhi kaha tha...agar jinhe lagat hai ki jo kiya thik kiya..vo samane aayein....bataein duniya ko ....agar wakai unhe lagat hai ki unhone kuch galat nahi kiya rakhein sabke samane apna maat ..aab kyon panchayat lukhti handan lag rahi hai.. kyonki unhe bhi maalum hai unhone jokiya hai vo galat hai...

bhai mere main bhi chahta hoon ki jaaton ki chavi sudhre......jab vo ndtv waali bandi baar -2 bole rahi thi ki jaaton nai ghar jala diye...aur Jaaton pai jis sercastic way mai vo stress daal rahi .....aapka logon ka to pata nahi par mujhe vo bahut chub raha tha...lekin kuch nahi kar sakta tha...kyonki jo vo bole rahi such tha......

nyway is there any other member here who feels ki jo hua galat hua...

[singh1981]

why u think this is a crap.?
this is my point of view...i am not here to prove u something ...if u r not agrry with it..thats ur problem not mine....


Go there and do some reconstruction work.

No takers of your crap here.

Jatland ki jagah kisi human rights ki site pe ja.

[jitendershooda]

Sorry Mr. hooda. ..but i am not agrry with u...Its a really shamefull act by jats of gohana.

"what is done is very less to them !!! " what else do u want. Ek jat maara(kisne mara abhi tak pata nahi) aur uske badle main logon ki puri basti jala do.. aap ky achahte thae ki uske badle main un sabhi 2000 logon ko bhi us basti kai saath jala dete...Just think about this on humanitarian ground.

aur media se aap kya chahte hain.....aake bole ki boss kya mahan kaam kiya hai...aapko to veerta chakar meelna chahiye...Aur vo vahan kai sansad Mr sangwaan...media ki ek baat ka jawab nahi de paaye...
Agar unhe aur unke saath jin logon ko bhi lagat hai ki jo hua thik hua...to jaao apne aap ko defend kar kai dekhao.....do media ki baaton ka jawab ...

The truth is un logon nai pure desh kai saamne Jaaton kai moonh pai kaalikh poth di..

really shamefull act...

==
Sukhbir

Dekho Sukhbir ji, I had typed there my view and i was not having in mind to collect agree's there ...

Er jit tahi " kisne mara abhi tak pata nahi !!!!!!!! "

Te yo pata kukar lage ga ?????

Sarkar batavegi Commision Baitha ke ....
Hude ke rahen aale jinki chori gail rape karya .... butane aale jinka chora marya .... ghadwal aale jinka chora sare aam peet peet ke naad tod ke marya .... uneh na bera ke is baat ka ...

I have written the reality of those people who were residents of those houses, those were burnt there ...... again ....

1. NDTV correspondant directly from Gohana :

" The reason is this that like all over India here also there is a gap between the upper and dalits and the upper caste here is JATS those can't bear that these dalits have their possession on the important lands in the cities. And that is why they are doing such acts to fear them off."

AND THIS REASON WAS NOT THE REALITY WHY THIS STEP WAS TAKEN

Not a single word on the reality about the people of that area ...around 70-80% and their families were involved in the smake and smuggling activities and in loot pat and also in the previous times they become so courageous that they:

[ MEDIA SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE REALITY OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE THE RESIDENTS AND WHY THE PEOPLE WERE ANGRY OF THEM ...... not only bark about the dalits dalits and dalits .... ]

A) Tease and raped ladies and girls.
B) Killed a person 2 months ago.
C) The Baniya's surrounding them were scared of them and their ladies were not out of their houses at odd times only because of these chudhas .....


So in this way the step was right I think so that these kind of people have such images in their mind and donot repeat such activities in future ....

[sumitsehrawat]

There is a dalit basti ( chudhe hein sare ) in mid of Gohana. All these so called innocent dalits are involved in the Smuggling, Smake and loot pat and murders...

1. 2-3 months ago they killed a person from Butana ...
2. Now on 27 th aug they killed one Jat from Ghadwal village of siwach's and kaliraman's.
3. Recently they kidnapped one girl from Kathura village and Raped her ...
4. All the surrounding residents of gohana were very much exploited of their daily loot paat and ched chad with thier girls and ladies ..

Now the pachayat held of 12 villages ( bahehre ki ) on last saturday and after that on wednesday .... in the last one only they have utlimated CM and the prasasan that if they will not do anything till 12 wednesday then we will do like this ....

Yesterday night i was watching NDTV and there the media persons were only potraying all this like that the dalits were innocent and it gone all exploitation of them ....blamed Pardeep son of sh. kishan singh sangwan, though he was there in the panchayat but the decision was of the panchyat all over.

They were intervewing one of the dalits who told so much innocently that they all were small workers and donot know why all this happen to their villages ...

Media again showed that they only need material to falsh upon and nowhere they were interested in finding the actual reality and bring it in front first rather than calling the same song of dalit exploitation.

Look to those victims of these Chudhas ... Here i want to bring forward how that Siwach was killed on 27th. He was beaten so badly first and then they broke his neck !!!!!! is it humanity and what is done is very less to them !!!

The youth of this bahra are saying to chop all of the victims when and where they will find them ...... this is exactly right as prasasan will not do such things ....

Bhai Hooda mere khyaal to kuch aur hi hai.

I personally feel this act of burning houses is very shameful.

We should ask ourselves, is it not true that, most of the times, we only start it. "yo chamaar...yo chudhaaa....yo julaaahe ka". We only make their lives terrible in villages. Dont' we ??? nobody knows the true story. Maybe the Jat guy who got murdered was himself responsible for his death. I have myself seen all this happening in villages. "yo chamaar ka chora nyu koookar bol padya ...maaaro saaale kai"....we all know what follows next. Maybe these dalits indulge themselves in loot paat, smuggling, etc etc......but is this the way they should be dealt with?????

About 50 houses were burnt .....about 2000 people fled from the villages in order to save their lives. It is a very inhuman act and calls for a punishment. It is not just about supporting Jats just because we are Jats. There is something beyond it as well ....humanity. I guess, not all of those who suffered were responsible for a Jat youth killing, smuggling, loot paat, rape, etc etc. Many of those who fled were children......

And it is not about Gohana or Jhajjar, it is in fact happening all over Haryana and in Delhi. We outdo them in numbers and show them our way. We generally do so. I doubt if the same Jats can do the same things to lower caste people in other states......somewhere far out of their hometown.

It is a matter of deep concern and all the perpetrators should be punished in order to avoid such a situation to arise again.

It was an act which made my head go down in shame while watching news last night with my fellow non-Haryana friends.

$umit
P.S.: jiski laathi uski bhais waaali baat hai yeh to....but isn't it wrong? No????

We should not exploit the poor and should not dread the strong. That is called living life the Jat way.

[singh1981]

No comments from our elder members.....I wanna to know there views on this...

[sumitsehrawat]

Dekho Sukhbir ji, I had typed there my view and i was not having in mind to collect agree's there ...

Er jit tahi " kisne mara abhi tak pata nahi !!!!!!!! "

Te yo pata kukar lage ga ?????

Sarkar batavegi Commision Baitha ke ....
Hude ke rahen aale jinki chori gail rape karya .... butane aale jinka chora marya .... ghadwal aale jinka chora sare aam peet peet ke naad tod ke marya .... uneh na bera ke is baat ka ...

I have written the reality of those people who were residents of those houses, those were burnt there ...... again ....

1. NDTV correspondant directly from Gohana :

" The reason is this that like all over India here also there is a gap between the upper and dalits and the upper caste here is JATS those can't bear that these dalits have their possession on the important lands in the cities. And that is why they are doing such acts to fear them off."

AND THIS REASON WAS NOT THE REALITY WHY THIS STEP WAS TAKEN

Not a single word on the reality about the people of that area ...around 70-80% and their families were involved in the smake and smuggling activities and in loot pat and also in the previous times they become so courageous that they:

[ MEDIA SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE REALITY OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE THE RESIDENTS AND WHY THE PEOPLE WERE ANGRY OF THEM ...... not only bark about the dalits dalits and dalits .... ]

A) Tease and raped ladies and girls.
B) Killed a person 2 months ago.
C) The Baniya's surrounding them were scared of them and their ladies were not out of their houses at odd times only because of these chudhas .....


So in this way the step was right I think so that these kind of people have such images in their mind and donot repeat such activities in future ....


<<<So in this way the step was right I think so that these kind of people have such images in their mind and donot repeat such activities in future ....>>>

Such a horrendous step?????????????
Cmmon friend, after all we all are human beings. I think these people already dread us...the Jats.

As far as the repetition of such an event is concerned....only time would tell if it would or would not.

$umit

[itsnavin]

Jo kuch hua woh theek nahin hua...as it'll create more tensions. Jats and Dalits ko rehna to wahin par hai...Nobody is going to leave that place for ever. Hence the rivalary will increase. And we can imagine more like this.

I think, media is the main culprit. If they would have heeded to what happened to Jat boys, situation would have been different. Aaj kal India mein ulta ho raha hai...Upper caste people don't get the media attention even after they are murdered but Dalits/Muslims/minorities get the full media attention even if some minor incidents against them.

When Khap panchayats created problems in some Jat marriages in Jhajjar distt., It got the full media attention.
When Jat boys beat some Chamars in Jhajjar as they killed some cows, this incident was fully reported.

But don't u think that Chamars/muslims are not inflicted with social issues. Kya Chamars mein Child marriages, Dowry deaths etc issues nahin hote. Woh sab wahan par bhee hain and they are suffering more due to these but they are not much highlighted in MEDIA. Only points that are highlighted are when Dalits/Muslims etc are on the receiving end from other upper castes...WHY THIS??

There are many other questions unanswered...

[sumitsehrawat]

Jo kuch hua woh theek nahin hua...as it'll create more tensions. Jats and Dalits ko rehna to wahin par hai...Nobody is going to leave that place for ever. Hence the rivalary will increase. And we can imagine more like this.

I think, media is the main culprit. If they would have heeded to what happened to Jat boys, situation would have been different. Aaj kal India mein ulta ho raha hai...Upper caste people don't get the media attention even after they are murdered but Dalits/Muslims/minorities get the full media attention even if some minor incidents against them.

When Khap panchayats created problems in some Jat marriages in Jhajjar distt., It got the full media attention.
When Jat boys beat some Chamars in Jhajjar as they killed some cows, this incident was fully reported.

But don't u think that Chamars/muslims are not inflicted with social issues. Kya Chamars mein Child marriages, Dowry deaths etc issues nahin hote. Woh sab wahan par bhee hain and they are suffering more due to these but they are not much highlighted in MEDIA. Only points that are highlighted are when Dalits/Muslims etc are on the receiving end from other upper castes...WHY THIS??

There are many other questions unanswered...



...and those would forever be left unanswered. :-(

Its pretty sad to say that "This is INDIA".

$umit

[singh1981]

Naveen, point here is not about media role....wheather media is playing its correctly or not thats a differnet issue...

The point here is what should be our mentality.This is not what we supposed to do in this case.
If those people creating some kind of problem then go by the proper way...This is not the first muder in haryana....agar isme unka haath hai to bhai police hai...common yaar ....pura ilaka jaaton ka ..sansad jat...aab don't say ki police is not doing their job..but doing these kind of thins really show some kind of frustation.

These kind of incident shows that may be are physically strong but not mentaly. may be this time(agar koi action hota hai to ...and that is very rare chance) sabko chod diya jaaye..."mob mantelaty" ka naam leker log baach jaayein...but future main kya hoga..may be some strong laws bun jaayenge...tab kay karenge..kisi ko maar kai problem solve nahi hoti ..verna duniya hamare aane se pahle hi khatam ho chuki hoti...







Jo kuch hua woh theek nahin hua...as it'll create more tensions. Jats and Dalits ko rehna to wahin par hai...Nobody is going to leave that place for ever. Hence the rivalary will increase. And we can imagine more like this.

I think, media is the main culprit. If they would have heeded to what happened to Jat boys, situation would have been different. Aaj kal India mein ulta ho raha hai...Upper caste people don't get the media attention even after they are murdered but Dalits/Muslims/minorities get the full media attention even if some minor incidents against them.

When Khap panchayats created problems in some Jat marriages in Jhajjar distt., It got the full media attention.
When Jat boys beat some Chamars in Jhajjar as they killed some cows, this incident was fully reported.

But don't u think that Chamars/muslims are not inflicted with social issues. Kya Chamars mein Child marriages, Dowry deaths etc issues nahin hote. Woh sab wahan par bhee hain and they are suffering more due to these but they are not much highlighted in MEDIA. Only points that are highlighted are when Dalits/Muslims etc are on the receiving end from other upper castes...WHY THIS??

There are many other questions unanswered...

[rkumar]

I think the right path for Jats would have been to agitate peacefully in large numbers and hold a dharna in front of Vidhan Sabha or District offices to draw attention and force the admisnitration to act. Taking law in one's hand is more crminal than the crime orginally committed.

Media ofcourse has its own agenda in India and can not be trusted. Other side of this is that when administration sleeps over justice, this is how the public anger menifests. Administration also has to take blame for inaction in bringing the murder culprits to books.

RK^2

[itsnavin]

Naveen, point here is not about media role....wheather media is playing its correctly or not thats a differnet issue...

The point here is what should be our mentality.This is not what we supposed to do in this case.
If those people creating some kind of problem then go by the proper way...This is not the first muder in haryana....agar isme unka haath hai to bhai police hai...common yaar ....pura ilaka jaaton ka ..sansad jat...aab don't say ki police is not doing their job..but doing these kind of thins really show some kind of frustation.

These kind of incident shows that may be are physically strong but not mentaly. may be this time(agar koi action hota hai to ...and that is very rare chance) sabko chod diya jaaye..."mob mantelaty" ka naam leker log baach jaayein...but future main kya hoga..may be some strong laws bun jaayenge...tab kay karenge..kisi ko maar kai problem solve nahi hoti ..verna duniya hamare aane se pahle hi khatam ho chuki hoti...

Yes..I know. But I was raising my concerns about media too. I discussed what role media plays in twisting the series of event. You must have read post from Harvinder Malik and what he noticed in the news. This is how media is behaving.

About mob mentality thing, there is no fear of laws in India whether ur a Dalit or Jat. Chamars won't have killed that Jat boy if they feared law or police and same applies to Jats as well.

I think, Rajender ji comments are one of reasons why this incident occured: The leniency of distt. administration to avoid these kind of incidents. Administation can do hell lot of things and I am pretty sure they know everything but they look with closed eyes.

[mkrana]

I see the story from 3 angles:

1. Human Rights: Yes we as a society in India need to develop the sense of human rights. These two terms are used by people in various contexts often to suit their pupose - even Militants in Kashmir cry for their 'human-right violation' by Army - but what about the human right of the Army person deployed there - May be he is not a 'human'. What human right values if ensuring the right through legal method takes a person's entire life and that too with uncertainty? How much 'human right' is right ? This is a philosophical question and each one of us have different answer based on the environment he has been exposed so far.

2. Media: Time for morality based media is over now. Each channel/newspaper must compete to each other for greater ratings. More often the media house has a support/funding from some major political party/business institution and then act as 'coloring' the news in their color. If you invest money in something all you care about is better returns. Interesting News are presented in 'interesting way' so that it sell. More often the process to make the news 'interesting' involves removing certain aspects of the news or miss the other side entirely. Everyonee of us knows this very well.

3: Political and Administrative: Politics is caste based - lets accept it. The reservation policy has been an effective tool to fill Administrative positions with a set of certain castes - these may not have a single caste name attached but centainly all shares the same sentiments - All UPPER castes are bad and exploiters. There are instances where part of person's land is taken from him (chakbandi) to allote to certain caste people. This is process and may sound totally reasonable for us sitting in our AC rooms on cushioned Sofa. But should not we looked into the financial state of the person also whose land is taken away - 5 Bigha total, Mother, Father, 2 unmarried sisters, 2 childern, wife and himself to support on that. Is this possible ... I guess NO???. I think these days we are not 'undoing' the unjust that these castes went through in past but rather doing 'unjust' on the other castes by snatching the already scarce resources from them to 'reserve' for them.
Regarding Administration - I have only one thing to say - agar machine mein genhoon pisne ke liye daaloge to bajra kahan se piss ke aayega ?. If your input grade of candidates is low then how will you get good administration?
Thought of building political pressure is useless. Politics is a game of numbers, and the numbers of so called LOWER castes are far more compared to others - and on top of that they remains susceptible to be directed due to lack of education and understanding. The future is also not promising as the population increase pattern suggests.

My Views about this instance:
I think media must be held responsible for reporting the 'half' news. Agreed they can not be sure about the person who murdered the 'jaat' person and also the reason why he got murdered. But then how can they be sure about the reasons they cited for the 'attack'? Are the reasons they cited the correct reasons OR most-selling reasons? Pictorial representation is far more powerful than textual. How can they broadcast the one sided 'victims' when everyone knows that this level of 'attack' is not a moment planning and MUST BE HAVING reasons for such tension build up. Have anybody tried to look into those reasons ... forget about 'anticipating' these?
Again the Administration was sleeping and now will isolate some 'goats' to balme. The politics will sympathise with the 'victims' and some local community leaders will try to make their career on this.

Good luck to all of them.

Who will get the facts ??

Sorry for writing this long. Haath rukta hi nahi yaar !!!

[jagmohan]

Dear All,

My thoughts on the Gohana episode are a bit different than those expressed because there is a deeper social upheaval that is underway in our villages. Should my views be unpalatable, I don’t seek any forgiveness because it is necessary to speak the truth.

The fact that ‘Harijans & Dalits’ have been trampled upon for centuries can’t be denied. It is not the fault of JATS to be landowners all over the world. The society of yesteryears was based upon ‘Might is Right’. We had the might, therefore our ancestors occupied and tilled the most fertile lands. If a Harijan is born the way he is, and lives the life he lives, you can’t blame anyone for it. I am ready to see it as destiny, past Karmas or what you will. It does not mean that they have no right to better their living conditions, lead healthier, cleaner, happier and purposeful lives. We all have grown up in villages and have seen that how dependent they are on the landowners, mostly JATS.

Reservation has been guaranteed to them by our founding fathers and they have used and misused it to the hilt. Yet their lot has not improved because the whole issue of reservations is lopsided. Again they can’t blame others for it. The most disturbing trend is observed in the last two decades when these people have come to realise their immense ‘Nuisance Value’ in electoral politics and exploitation of the same. The likes of Kanshi Ram, Mayavati, Paswan, Lallo and ‘Mother of All Exploiters, the Nehru – Gandhi Dynasty have always bent backwards to ensure that undue advantage is given to Dalits. These people have the freedom to do whatever they feel like, occupy any empty land, erect a statue of Ambedkar wherever they feel like and the land becomes theirs. See what happens when you try to remove these encroachers. They are ready to do any kind of job to ensure two things: retain their nuisance value and keep increasing their numbers. They can **** on Rajpath and you can do nothing about it. In fact there are acts passed by parliament to punish law-abiding citizens who try and protest against the lawlessness of Dalits.

Now take the condition of our brethren, the JATS who are living in the villages. I don’t have to repeat as to how shrinking land, exodus to towns by those who can afford to and increasing population adversely affect the otherwise sturdy community of JATS. In simple words the villager feels left out. Those in the villages have hardly any other source of income to fall back upon except agriculture or may be a son who is in Fauj, BSF, CRPF, DTC, Haryana Roadways or some such job. Today even a Jawan wants to have independence from the shackles of a joint family and go it alone as he feels that his children will be better looked after. Add to this predicament the universally known and accepted negative qualities of our community and the mixture is alarming if not explosive. The most disturbing fact of history is that no other community stands in support of the JATS, no one.

The catalyst to this whole mixture is near abandonment of the JAT villager by their so-called political leaders and their kith and kin who are better off (exceptions are agreed to). Because we can never unite and vote as a single entity like Dalits, we would remain neglected. The politician knows that half the JATS in a village will vote for Congress and the other half for INLD/BJP. He also knows that those who voted for them this year would vote for the other side next year. So it doesn’t really matter to them because the numbers game is in the hands of Dalits and minorities. Therefore, the politician is targeting the Dalit vote (No wonder Mr Hooda, our CM. was sitting so full of guilt during the press conference, flanked ofcourse by the future leader Randeep Surjewala, as though he himself had torched the Dalit Basti in Gohana). Not a single politician has spoken about the JAT boy who was murdered.

Now the question that Police should have been allowed to do their job and that famous quote about ‘Law should take its own course’. Those of you who don’t know should be wiser by knowing that in Haryana (and may be other places as well) there is a going rate for covering up the crimes one commits. Murder ki FIR mein hera pheri karne ke liye itne hazar, Dacoity ko Chori karne ke liye itne hazar. The whole damn system is rotten. And what will holding Dharna achieve? Nothing at all as the Government of India has stopped listening to those who don’t have the power to raise an armed struggle.

Such incidents will increase in the future all over Haryana. I fear this will lead to near civil war like situation because once the Communists jump in the fray, the Naxalities are not far behind. Attempt will be made to convert a peaceful state and industrially active area into another Bihar. I see such episodes to be a direct challenge to The JAT self respect/esteem. If we don’t unite into a single political force our condition would be worst than Dalits. JATS will never lift **** on their heads or polish shoes on a railway platform to survive, whereas Dalits can do anything. It is Disadvantage JATS all the way. The day is not far off when abandoned JATS from the villages will be so disgusted by the present administrators and politicians that they will have no option but to resort to violence. And there are many enemies of India who will support them. After all they are not located very far away. I pray everyday that we don’t reach that stage.

Need I tell you what my reaction to the Gohana episode is?

Regards,

JS Malik

[jitender_singh]

Hello Sir,

i am fully agreed with your comments. In the last two decades there has been drastic change in society in villages.

due to increasing poverty,unemployement in villages especially in Haryana,delhi western UP. Jat youths are motivating towards crime.

everyday In newspaper we heard of new gangsters in delhi, haryana mostly of them are Jats.Its a very alarming situation...

and about dalits , they are causing problem everywhere, I think last year also they cause trouble in jallandhar( with Jat-sikhs).

Regards
Jitender

[mkrana]

Very well summed up sir Jagmohan ji.

Cann't agree more ...We need political unity and economic growth of the community.

[priti]

I have been following this thread for some time....many thoughts have come across my mind....i start writing and then i realise i cannot take a stand on this....the sociologist in me sees this from a wider social problem angle...and the jat in me justifies what has been done to these people (as my father said...they did not attack with a purpose to kill anyone ...whereas one of us was killed brutally by a group...just wanted to scare them out). Finally the idea which did make sense to me and i thought i could write this is:

Our PR is definitely bad.

If we want to be better heard, understood and not be misunderstood as a community...we need to do our homework...we need reach out to the outer society around us and make them understand what jats are....we have been cast in a stereotype....need to break out of that....nobody emphathises with us...jagmohan uncle said- soon we would be the most marginalised community in north india....one solution to that is to integrate with our better society....the other is to make them understand the differences and make those differences acceptable....so that they hear, understand and represent us in the media or elsewhere differently...most of the time its not about stakes...its about perceptions...

[devdahiya]

I have been following this thread for some time....many thoughts have come across my mind....i start writing and then i realise i cannot take a stand on this....the sociologist in me sees this from a wider social problem angle...and the jat in me justifies what has been done to these people (as my father said...they did not kill anyone ...whereas one of us was killed brutally by a group). Finally the idea which did make sense to me and i thought i could write this is:

Our PR is definitely bad.

If we want to be better heard, understood and not be misunderstood as a community...we need to do our homework...we need reach out to the outer society around us and make them understand what jats are....we have been cast in a stereotype....need to break out of that....nobody emphathises with us...jagmohan uncle said- soon we would be the most marginalised community in north india....one solutionto that is to integrate with our better society....the other is to make them understand the differences and make those differences acceptable....so that they hear, understand and represent us in the media or elsewhere differently...most of the time its not about stakes...its about perceptions...



Well said Priti. Once again it is going to be the survival of the fittest. It never vanished. We have to co-exist with all casts and creeds and have to do it with a sense of dignity and honour. Question is...Will our guilible ppl at villages will ever get the proper support of educated breed or the episodes of Gohana and Jhajhar will keep on repeating themselves one after the another. If it is later then it will be a shame for all of us. If media has to be menaged that too will have to be done by THE SO CALLED EDUCATED CLAN. Let us prepare a common ground where some of us can meet and discuss certain burning issues affecting our people and can do something on ground. Thanx for your views.

[jitendershooda]

Jagmohan ji, Kati baat ka nichod kad diya aapne ...

This episode doesnot aroused atonce ... for the last few years those people were having such kind of activities and people even complained a lot about them ... but from last few months they start riding on heads .. and did whatever they wanted .. Police ka te sabne bera hai ke haal hai ...for the rape case and guy from butana all FIR and complaints were done but no results even after 6 months ... and no issue was raised by any of the leaders or media that time ( even the jat leaders ).

Wo ek post mein kahya kise ne ek police jat ...admin jat ...mp jaat ... bhai ye jaat marod mein rahen hein .... aur jatiyan ki tertah out of way jake mer na lete ..... and politcians are trapped in their greed of votes ..

[mkrana]

I Agree 100% with Priti. Our PR is in no doubt bad.

People sometime accuse jat's of being rude-misbeheaving. Though in majority of cases they are simply to-the-point and Frank. Nobody mentions the contributions/sacrifices jats make to indian Security on borders. We are seens as 'Tau', or Mahender singh Tiket - who has outlived their political image in modern society.
Are we a laughing matter OR 'nation protector' ?

What what can be done to improve it? What paltforms are available? How can an individual contribute to this cause.
What kind of political leaders we are generating within community to project it?

Why do we have differences internally - UP jat, Haryana Jat, Rajisthani Jat, Sikh Jat? Can't we bargain and project ourself as ONE ?

[devdahiya]

I Agree 100% with Priti. Our PR is in no doubt bad.

People sometime accuse jat's of being rude-misbeheaving. Though in majority of cases they are simply to-the-point and Frank. Nobody mentions the contributions/sacrifices jats make to indian Security on borders. We are seens as 'Tau', or Mahender singh Tiket - who has outlived their political image in modern society.
Are we a laughing matter OR 'nation protector' ?

What what can be done to improve it? What paltforms are available? How can an individual contribute to this cause.
What kind of political leaders we are generating within community to project it?

Why do we have differences internally - UP jat, Haryana Jat, Rajisthani Jat, Sikh Jat? Can't we bargain and project ourself as ONE ?



AKELE-2 to pitai hoti hai Manoj bhai. read my thread Bandh Muthhee.JATS ARE JATS Irrespective of boundaries or barriers.

[priyanka]

I agree to Newton's law --Action Reaction
but we should not act in anger as it always give bad results.
If someone has killed Jat's boy or doing any wrong thing to our society then we can take a legal course, we can organize Dharna etc.
I understand legal course is a time taking process or sometimes we dont get desired results but v can always protest, can raise voice.
But definetly we should not kill someone as by doing so situation get worse.
Now u c what is happening--- SYMPATHY IS WITH DALIT's
WHAT JAT's GOT????????

[captmanjeet]

Priyanka ji
This is the differance we jats dont need sympethies we need justice and that to be timely justice.Justice delayed is justice denied and if justice is denied and that to the marshall race as ours, the result is as bad as this and may be worst then this too in future...
capt manjeet

[gaganjat]

SYMPATHY IS WITH IRAQ ,AFGHANISTAN
WHAT AMERICA GOT? (America got wat Jats got from this incident) When you enjoy power you got money, rights, support and everything you want.
So Jats have done the good job for their monopoly. (i have edited my reply to say all this as ppl didnt get my point before.

I again tell that we can be diplomat (to show) but got to do the real stuff.
Jats dont be bania /punjabi - keep up your fighting spirit.

What did blacks do in America to make their mark?
What did America do in the world?..... any many more.

People say Jats are lagging in business and other professions. Alright but now if they also start lagging in their fighting spirit then I am sure they will be sweeping the floors of dalits.





Now u c what is happening--- SYMPATHY IS WITH DALIT's
WHAT JAT's GOT????????

[priyanka]

So What did we all JAT's get. After burning of DAlit's house ??????
Did u get that Jat's boy who died???????
Now when Jat's burnt their houses then do u think it will stop them.
They kill U n U kill them. By doing so what result will we get??????/
JAts r lagging in business becoz of their ego or because of their unprofessional behave.
When U go to a client then did he ever asked about your caste??
Did he say that u r Jat so i will not work with u???????
I am also in business, i never faced any difficulty being Jat while i have ego also as m JAT

[jitender_singh]

Hi Priyanka,

I am not agreed with you......

But to rectify you.. we jats are not lagging in business due to unprofessional behaviour or ego ???????

its our aggresiveness and fighting spirit which makes us distinct from rest of communities.

And we are gaining expertise in every field although I agreed still lot of work has to be done...

And sorry I am not a diplomat or Politician .. I am jat...

Aur koi jat marega mujhey toh dard hogaa.. haan u are right why they have burnt empty houses of chamaars unhe bhi foonk dena thaa saath main...

I am fully agreed with Priti our PR is very weak .. But at least we should expect suppport from within our community..

Regards
Jitender




So What did we all JAT's get. After burning of DAlit's house ??????
Did u get that Jat's boy who died???????
Now when Jat's burnt their houses then do u think it will stop them.
They kill U n U kill them. By doing so what result will we get??????/
JAts r lagging in business becoz of their ego or because of their unprofessional behave.
When U go to a client then did he ever asked about your caste??
Did he say that u r Jat so i will not work with u???????
I am also in business, i never faced any difficulty being Jat while i have ego also as m JAT

[captmanjeet]

Hi Priyanka,

I am not agreed with you......

But to rectify you.. we jats are not lagging in business due to unprofessional behaviour or ego ???????

its our aggresiveness and fighting spirit which makes us distinct from rest of communities.

And we are gaining expertise in every field although I agreed still lot of work has to be done...

And sorry I am not a diplomat or Politician .. I am jat...

Aur koi jat marega mujhey toh dard hogaa.. haan u are right why they have burnt empty houses of chamaars unhe bhi foonk dena thaa saath main...

I am fully agreed with Priti our PR is very weak .. But at least we should expect suppport from within our community..

Regards
Jitender
Thanks Jitender
I must say u have given prianka a decent and good reply even i thought of doing the same but when i read her reply and she made her priority clear that business is need of the time and it appeared that business for her comes at top and i dont agree with that so i did not feel like replying that.anyway i have my priority very clear my honour and self respect comes right at the top rest follows isee liye in chudoon ki harkat dekh ke aag lag ja hai!!!
Capt manjeet

[varuntomar]

bebbe seems you have also become a victim of being politically correct...

though we should do things that benefit us in one sense or the other but that should not make us incapable of doing things that may seem unpleasant initially but may have far reaching benefits for the common social good (if handled correctly).....

as a member mentioned in his post the residents of that dalit basti were far from being innocent....leave alone lootpaat but when they commit crimes like rape and murder with impunity the issue needs to be addressed strongly.....when the administration becomes indifferent because of political compulsions people have to take law in their hands.....

earlier the dalit youths might have committed crimes like rape and murder because of a false sense of bravado but now they will think twice before even thinking of doing something similar.....ofcourse you can argue that this incident can lead to further escalation in the tension that already exist but there comes the part of handling it properly.....as Col. Malik has pointed out if the politicians are allowed to have their way the day wont be far when haryana too will witness a situation like bihar....the media has a trackrecord of sensationalising such issues to make a quick buck by increasing the TRPs (they may do it to increase certain political masters also).....

now this incident cannnot bring the Jat youth back but it will certainly scare those who did that sort of a thing to attempt such a thing in future....while the morality of the whole issue may be debated by the sociologosts and the like.....

there is a place near shamli called kairana (btw it is also known as mini pakistan).....its a hub for buying latest weapons supplied by ISI etc......the only reason we have not witnessed riots or a bombay blast like situation in that region is the fear those goons have of Jats......

succeeding in business etc. is very relevant and if u argue that such incidents affect a comunitoes business interest unfavourably i can argue that the fear factor it generates may afect it favourably too.....

btw the news reports suggest that the panchayat that was held before the incident gave the local administration a warning to take some concrete action in the murder case by wednesday and when that did not happen they had to take this unfortunate step.....

[priyanka]

Thanks Jitender
I must say u have given prianka a decent and good reply even i thought of doing the same but when i read her reply and she made her priority clear that business is need of the time and it appeared that business for her comes at top and i dont agree with that so i did not feel like replying that.anyway i have my priority very clear my honour and self respect comes right at the top rest follows isee liye in chudoon ki harkat dekh ke aag lag ja hai!!!
Capt manjeet
QUOTE=capt_manjeet]Thanks Jitender

I have never given any priority to business or money in my life nor m working for money. What i wanted to say is that.....now the need is to grow and educate oneself
I mentioned business just becoz one other member mentioned in his post that we JATS are lagging in business and .......so on
I joined this site why???????Just becoz i want more JAts to be in touch, to help each other, to share views....
Is it giving me business???????

It seems that u just want revenge but i dont think that this is right. One must be aggressive to some extent or but sorry to say that i dont agree with your idea of REVENGE.
What do u think that JAts are very decent, they dont committ crime or rape. Go in any village and u will find that more than 50% JAT's boy are involved in CHORI CHAKARI. Why dont all JAT gather, Go and burn their houses also as they r looting their own JAT BHAI's. If you want i can give you n number of boys name who are from my village and belong to respected families. and r involved in LOOT. Infact one boy murdered his own father some time back.Would you like to burn his house ofcourse not.
I also want that JATS must be united, must help each other but not at the cost of any human being's life.

If i am wrong then u can correct me, i wont mind that.

[jitender_singh]

Thanks Manjeet bhai...

Hi Priyanka,

I think you have taken a debate in wrong spirit...

Certainly,I am not supporting those jats who are indulge in crime.. we all condemn that...

and here we are talking about incident which will have long impact on Haryana...

You area talking about Jats have done that..but have you talk about that JAT who was brutally killed by Dalits...

And you are talking those dalits who are involve in heinous crimes... drugs,rape, murder etc..

And the latest, they are causing a same problem in Maharashatra...

And if they are so much fond of fight and wants to be warrior.. why don't they join armed forces...


And you want Jats to be united not at the cost of human life...for your information jats did not killed anyone in Gohana...

Instead of criticizing our own community, it is better if we do something constructive...

Regards
Jitender






QUOTE=capt_manjeet]Thanks Jitender

I have never given any priority to business or money in my life nor m working for money. What i wanted to say is that.....now the need is to grow and educate oneself
I mentioned business just becoz one other member mentioned in his post that we JATS are lagging in business and .......so on
I joined this site why???????Just becoz i want more JAts to be in touch, to help each other, to share views....
Is it giving me business???????

It seems that u just want revenge but i dont think that this is right. One must be aggressive to some extent or but sorry to say that i dont agree with your idea of REVENGE.
What do u think that JAts are very decent, they dont committ crime or rape. Go in any village and u will find that more than 50% JAT's boy are involved in CHORI CHAKARI. Why dont all JAT gather, Go and burn their houses also as they r looting their own JAT BHAI's. If you want i can give you n number of boys name who are from my village and belong to respected families. and r involved in LOOT. Infact one boy murdered his own father some time back.Would you like to burn his house ofcourse not.
I also want that JATS must be united, must help each other but not at the cost of any human being's life.

If i am wrong then u can correct me, i wont mind that.

[ashishsangwan]

Few of us have quoted dat they personally feel this act of burning houses is very shameful, Ok agreed.
But what if this information ( Jats have burnt the houses) is not 100% true.
Few of the people from that area known to me, have been telling that the fact is that the houses were burnt by the Dalits themselves. Even I do believe it, is it possible that more than 50 houses were gutted into fire & surprisingly no one was living in those empty houses for last 10-15 hours, not acceptable…. And our people are not cowards that they waited for 2-3 days to let those people quit the houses and then jump into action.
And above all, ask the localities of that area that what all unhuman deeds those Dalits were doing for long time (kidnapping, eve-teasing, ransoms, Blah Blah Blah,)was that something on humanitarian grounds.

[sukhbirsingh]

I agree to Newton's law --Action Reaction
but we should not act in anger as it always give bad results.
If someone has killed Jat's boy or doing any wrong thing to our society then we can take a legal course, we can organize Dharna etc.
I understand legal course is a time taking process or sometimes we dont get desired results but v can always protest, can raise voice.
But definetly we should not kill someone as by doing so situation get worse.
Now u c what is happening--- SYMPATHY IS WITH DALIT's
WHAT JAT's GOT????????
well priyanka u know liggle system? it takes many years and this law - you know real answer for this problem lies in LAW. Which has been copied from european countries which is not applicable to our society, No law maker has done any hard work on it just they copied it and make it more appealing for a particular community. Can u believe in law well i am giving one example of it i faced two times haryana public service commission but all the times i got neglected because my father was not having money to pay bribes so ultimately i have to leave this country. Do u want to know the reason I think reason lies in that LAW. So in India- Dharna and LAW is of no value. Who is having the power they will rule. and in my opinion it was a right thing that happened in gohana.

[captmanjeet]

QUOTE=capt_manjeet]Thanks Jitender

I have never given any priority to business or money in my life nor m working for money. What i wanted to say is that.....now the need is to grow and educate oneself
I mentioned business just becoz one other member mentioned in his post that we JATS are lagging in business and .......so on
I joined this site why???????Just becoz i want more JAts to be in touch, to help each other, to share views....
Is it giving me business???????

It seems that u just want revenge but i dont think that this is right. One must be aggressive to some extent or but sorry to say that i dont agree with your idea of REVENGE.
What do u think that JAts are very decent, they dont committ crime or rape. Go in any village and u will find that more than 50% JAT's boy are involved in CHORI CHAKARI. Why dont all JAT gather, Go and burn their houses also as they r looting their own JAT BHAI's. If you want i can give you n number of boys name who are from my village and belong to respected families. and r involved in LOOT. Infact one boy murdered his own father some time back.Would you like to burn his house ofcourse not.
I also want that JATS must be united, must help each other but not at the cost of any human being's life.

If i am wrong then u can correct me, i wont mind that.
dear priyanka
i thing u took me all wrong i had no intentions of revenge or i was acting in vandetta.i certainlly do not share the same opinion as u do but that does not motivate me to take some revenge or something....now regarding business and all that we jats are lagging behind in business that has nothing to do with incident like these these are incident in isolation.i am certainly dead against the act of burning the houses of so called dalits.but i am also not in favour of giving this the color of atussle between jats and dalits .i just wanted to say this burning has nothing to do with dalits as such it is one particular locality whichis invested by the criminals and the administrqation was not taking action and the othersection of soceity acted in anger thats it.
my only concern here iws that peaple including media and polityical leaders and many fellow jatlander are making it a issue that jats have burnt the houses of innocent dalits.because in our country dalits is a synonym od poor and deprived.that is the major issue.
once AGAIN NO INTENTIONS OF REVENGE against u or anyone here.
capt manjeet

[priyanka]

dear priyanka
i thing u took me all wrong i had no intentions of revenge or i was acting in vandetta.i certainlly do not share the same opinion as u do but that does not motivate me to take some revenge or something....now regarding business and all that we jats are lagging behind in business that has nothing to do with incident like these these are incident in isolation.i am certainly dead against the act of burning the houses of so called dalits.but i am also not in favour of giving this the color of atussle between jats and dalits .i just wanted to say this burning has nothing to do with dalits as such it is one particular locality whichis invested by the criminals and the administrqation was not taking action and the othersection of soceity acted in anger thats it.
my only concern here iws that peaple including media and polityical leaders and many fellow jatlander are making it a issue that jats have burnt the houses of innocent dalits.because in our country dalits is a synonym od poor and deprived.that is the major issue.
once AGAIN NO INTENTIONS OF REVENGE against u or anyone here.
capt manjeet


i agree with you. Yes i also share the same opinion as u do that it has nothing to do with incident like these these are incident in isolation.
As one member "Gagan said", that we are lagging in business n profession so i replied about that only ......nothing else.


Priyanka

[gaganjat]

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

[priyanka]

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

Cool Down man. Not only me but No body will like the ppl with bad intentions .

[rkumar]

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

Gagan,

Though I am agaisnt all type of violence, but lately I have started seeing some truth into what leads to such Gohana reactions. Over protection to Dalits has given them a sense of immunity against all the filth they can throw over nation and law abiding citizens. Minority communities in India assisted by some psedu intellectuals are a pmpered lot. Inaction of authorities against minority communities is the root cause of such extreme behaviour. There is human limit to tolerence and this is excatly what seems to have happened in the present case. Trust me, even my blood has started boiling lately against all this. I am almost at the extreme of leading 100,000 jats into Haryana and join the jat brothers there if things go too far aganist Jats. I am reading in news papers that some of these Dalits are talking of relegion conversion and things like that. They will all forget their religions and everything if we Jats come to our truelself and join hands with Sikh and muslim Jats of the region. Such events force even people like us to take extreme positions. I think message must reach clearly to everyone that Jats can not take this s**t anymore.. Enough is enough.. Jats are law abiding and peaceful people. However, they will be ready to loose everything if it comes to their self respect...Let whole nation know it very clearly...

Rajendra

[raju_dagar]

GREAT Mr. gagan


in media walo ko kay pata in ko to apnai dukan chamkana sa matlab hai
media ko kay pata un harameo na weha kay gadar macha ka rakh rakha taha
sara to galat kam kerta tha.Or in media walo na baljeet ka gahr walo sa ja ka pucha ek bar bhi ki kitni bearehami sa us murder kea tha.jo ki wo log ajj tak kuch na kuch kand kerta aa reha tha abhi ek bhai na batya ki kuch din pahela
butana ka larka ka murder kea tha or us ka bad kuthra ki ak girl ka sath rape .
or ajj tak police un ka kuch nahi kar paie.to bhai sabh harmainder agar police kuch nahi kera ji to PANCHAYAT neau dhuma uthao ji. or media wala laga hath
sangwan ka bhi picha lag lea.In media or humanrigts walo ko to bus apni dukan chamkena sa matlab hai.jab na ko humanrights or media tha jab wa dusra din gohana ma vardat kera kerta.

[raju_dagar]

GREAT Mr. gagan


in media walo ko kay pata in ko to apnai dukan chamkana sa matlab hai
media ko kay pata un harameo na weha kay gadar macha ka rakh rakha taha
sar to galat kam kerta tha.Or in media walo na baljeet ka gahr walo sa ja ka pucha ek bar bhi ki kitni bearehami sa us murder kea tha.jo ki wo log ajj tak kuch na kuch kand kerta aa reha tha abhi ek bhai na batya ki kuch din pahela
butana ka larka ka murder kea tha or us ka bad kuthra ki ak girl ka sath rape .
or ajj tak police un ka kuch nahi kar paie.to bhai sabh sukhbir agar police kuch nahi kera gi to PANCHAYAT neau dhuma uthao gi. or media wala laga hath
sangwan ka bhi picha lag lea.In media or humanrigts walo ko to bus apni dukan chamkena sa matlab hai.jab na ko humanrights or media tha jab wa dusra din gohana ma vardat kera kerta.

[jitender_singh]

Gagan Bhai,

Hats Off...

Cheers
Jitender

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

[priti]

Seems like some are more equal than the others...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1482787,000900010001.htm

Regards
Priti

[priti]

If I may request....could all the members who feel about this episode, go online to all the newspaper websites and submit their comments on the way the story of gohana has been reported in a very polite and decent manner....most stories at the bottom will have an option 'comment on the article'.....will take some time...but its worth it.....one way of improving our PR.

[singh1981]

Vinash kaale viprit budhi...


As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

[mkrana]

If I may request....could all the members who feel about this episode, go online to all the newspaper websites and submit their comments on the way the story of gohana has been reported in a very polite and decent manner....most stories at the bottom will have an option 'comment on the article'.....will take some time...but its worth it.....one way of improving our PR.

I tried commenting on news articles and other web-sites reporting the matter ... most of the time the 'comment' was sent to the editor for review and you know what happens after that :mad:
I am still waiting for any of comments to be printed.

Many members opted for taking the law-route ... which is perfect solution if everyone plays with rules - Police, Politics, judiciary. But will you play with rules if other parties go for "free-style"?
1. Police work under Political pressure. Any action which does not please political leaders lead to transfers/criticism.
2. Judiciary is pathetic in India. Cases langer for entire life time. The rules are bended to support certain section of society (all know very well which section).
3. Majority does not vote. The candidates are most of the time so pathetic that all should be rejected. Alcohol, money, fatwas, muscle-power, reservation are the tools for vote collection.

Sometime I wonder what is "Dalit" - person who does not have enough resources to make living. Most of the people in India (specially rural population) irrespective of their castes falls under this category. Why is the word being hijacked for a collection of "certain castes"?
Reason is simple - it extracts more sympathies.
What is "Harijan" = Hari+Jan ( The people of Lord ) - Who is not Harijan then? Why they captured this name.
What is wrong calling them with actual name "Chuda", "Chamar" etc etc? Why do they need to go for conversion? They can because they don't have any history to be proud of.

The common words like Harijan/Dalits were choosen to bring them under one umbrella and then use them as a tool for political gain. Nobody punishes Mayawati when she shouts - "Tilak, Taraju aur Talwar inko maro joote chaar" Isn't this provocation of kind and equivalent to inciting the mob?

Anyway the idea to flood newspapers with comments can work ... if you write what the editor like to see.

[rajendersingh]

dear all,
on 4th september there was recording of a programme on ndtv,the programme was in hindi...hum log. the topic was gohana .with their invitation i also reached there along with my wife. it was recorded in some studio in g k 1 new delhi.

when we reached there we could make out that it was by some fault that we have been called there.one could easily make out that it was the dalits who been called to give one side story,still we manage to settle down .the anchor of the programme was mr pankaj pachouri.

the programme was started with the sentence'' jataon ki panchayat ne jo gohana mein kia....... i objected to this very line...but the anchor was in no mood to listen to me..... it continued with all jat bashing...... fortunately there were around 4or 5 jats in gethering of about 100 odd ppl.and we did our best to tell them the story......we even had to give them in the language they understand ...... a stage came when one jat gentleman was asked to leave the studio..... but seeing our mood mr anchor cooled down.
very less was shown as far as we were concerend.the show was aired on same day at 10 p m

i have got no hasitation that it was all there to give bad name to jats .ndtv is all bent upon to play a partisan role in this episode.it has some ulterior motive behaind all this.what exactly is this ..i can't say... but its too bad and sad for jats....and jats should undersatand this, i feel this is the hightime we read writings on the wall.we should see our interests and not go by books.we better use our brain and see the enemy.its just there to give us the big kick.we can still fight it out if we stand united.

[rkumar]

dear all,
on 4th september there was recording of a programme on ndtv,the programme was in hindi...hum log. the topic was gohana .with their invitation i also reached there along with my wife. it was recorded in some studio in g k 1 new delhi.

when we reached there we could make out that it was by some fault that we have been called there.one could easily make out that it was the dalits who been called to give one side story,still we manage to settle down .the anchor of the programme was mr pankaj pachouri.

the programme was started with the sentence'' jataon ki panchayat ne jo gohana mein kia....... i objected to this very line...but the anchor was in no mood to listen to me..... it continued with all jat bashing...... fortunately there were around 4or 5 jats in gethering of about 100 odd ppl.and we did our best to tell them the story......we even had to give them in the language they understand ...... a stage came when one jat gentleman was asked to leave the studio..... but seeing our mood mr anchor cooled down.
very less was shown as far as we were concerend.the show was aired on same day at 10 p m

i have got no hasitation that it was all there to give bad name to jats .ndtv is all bent upon to play a partisan role in this episode.it has some ulterior motive behaind all this.what exactly is this ..i can't say... but its too bad and sad for jats....and jats should undersatand this, i feel this is the hightime we read writings on the wall.we should see our interests and not go by books.we better use our brain and see the enemy.its just there to give us the big kick.we can still fight it out if we stand united.

I have been many tims to NDTV studio for these recordings. Once I opposed the views of one of their invited Bengali Rajya Sabha MP and after that I was removed from their list. This channel is 100% Communist who are anti Jats. More than anything else, we need to join hands and creat a forum where from we can expose the motive of these channels. High time we launch an anti media movement in streets..May be we find out a channel who is anti NDTV and then we use them..

RK^2

[hamendra]

I have been many tims to NDTV studio for these recordings. Once I opposed the views of one of their invited Bengali Rajya Sabha MP and after that I was removed from their list. This channel is 100% Communist who are anti Jats. More than anything else, we need to join hands and creat a forum where from we can expose the motive of these channels. High time we launch an anti media movement in streets..May be we find out a channel who is anti NDTV and then we use them..

RK^2

To all Jats,

Please uncle jee,
Now this is the time to take some action against those channels. Now we all are ready to do what is required.

[devdahiya]

dear all,
on 4th september there was recording of a programme on ndtv,the programme was in hindi...hum log. the topic was gohana .with their invitation i also reached there along with my wife. it was recorded in some studio in g k 1 new delhi.

when we reached there we could make out that it was by some fault that we have been called there.one could easily make out that it was the dalits who been called to give one side story,still we manage to settle down .the anchor of the programme was mr pankaj pachouri.

the programme was started with the sentence'' jataon ki panchayat ne jo gohana mein kia....... i objected to this very line...but the anchor was in no mood to listen to me..... it continued with all jat bashing...... fortunately there were around 4or 5 jats in gethering of about 100 odd ppl.and we did our best to tell them the story......we even had to give them in the language they understand ...... a stage came when one jat gentleman was asked to leave the studio..... but seeing our mood mr anchor cooled down.
very less was shown as far as we were concerend.the show was aired on same day at 10 p m

i have got no hasitation that it was all there to give bad name to jats .ndtv is all bent upon to play a partisan role in this episode.it has some ulterior motive behaind all this.what exactly is this ..i can't say... but its too bad and sad for jats....and jats should undersatand this, i feel this is the hightime we read writings on the wall.we should see our interests and not go by books.we better use our brain and see the enemy.its just there to give us the big kick.we can still fight it out if we stand united.



What you said is a first hand account and i take it as absolutely true. Another Chappy Of NDTV [hindi verson] was behaving like a Mulah for So called underdogs and was behaving as if he himself was INDIA and a supreme authority. Jis te bhi baat kari uske kappde nikal liye...be it Mr Sangwan[MP] Chief secratery Haryana, Mr Rai[SSP], Mr Goyal[DM] and a few more. His arrogance and biased reporting was disgusting.Infact More ofen than not electonic media is responsible when part of this nation burns. Ye Kasoota rang lete hein Freedom of press ke naam par.Maturity ka dhanss bhi nahi hei in ke paas. Our educated lobby,THOSE who have the kaum dharam in mind will have to tackle this anti JATS propagenda not only at local[people to people relation] level but more importantly at political and Bureaucratic level. Media then will automatically get managed as they hardly do any fair reporting. I ADVOCATE UNITY OF KAUM WITH AND FOR A PURPOSE[to save humiliation to the kaum] BUT WILL BE DEAD AGAINST A HATE FILLED/REVENGEFUL/ MURDUROUS campaighn in disguise of unity. HATRED WILL NEVER BE AN ANSWER AND WILL DO NO GOOD TO ANYONE OF US [neither indvidually nor collectively] We must be with the time and Should clearly understand the Design of some selfish people who are hell bent upon maligning and butchering our Peaceful , honest and hardworking kaum under a well planned strategy supported by almost all political parties[Say vote bank]. Let us all devote some time for the Prosperity and Well being of our future generatins else they might avoid and feel ashamed of calling themselves JATS. Let our kaum be known as TOLERENT, BRAVE, KIND, SECULAR, DESHBHAGAT and UNIQUE. FUTURE OF THIS KAUM IS ON OUR KANDHAS..&..CHOICES ARE NOT VERY MANY. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE VANISH.

[rkumar]

To all Jats,

Please uncle jee,
Now this is the time to take some action against those channels. Now we all are ready to do what is required.

We should seriously create some action groups for such eventualities. We are running out of options. We should launch a poster war against these channels and if required, hold demonstration in front of their studios. They need to be paid back in the same coins. I remember when Vir Singhvi wrote against Sahab Singh Verma. We all flooded HT with emails and finally he had to apologise. Since we cannot send emails to TV Channels, only option left is poster war and street demonstrations.

RK^2

[priti]

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E-mail us at: feedback@ndtv.com

This is what NDTV says about itself on its website. Nowhere in this description is mention of any principles or values of journalism. It is all about profits and how professional they are at 'gathering' news. How about some 'mission', 'vision' and 'values'...even tobacco companies nowadays have morals...British American tobacco (BAT) consciously discourages underage smoking in europe through its marketing and advertisements.....you know why....because there is an active civil society here which questions the actions of corporates....NDTV is a news company and that too of a developing country...where is its morality....

I am disgusted by what Mr. Rajender has described....if they have to represent only one side of the story...why call a debate over it....just say what you have to ....their viewers do not have the intelligence to question it anyway...where are the principles of journalism let alone social responsibility of these media channels??

How many journalists do we have amongst us? even if there is just 1, i would request her/him to ask their employer this question.....

how many of us watch these news channels...most of us are their consumers...why are we not asking them...embarrasing them into thinking on what their underlying principles are when reporting....believe me it does work...

[rkumar]

let us flood NDTV with emails and tell them that how unhappy we Jats are from their methods of painting us in black....I will sending them an email staright away..

RK^2
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PS: This is what I have written to NDTV;

Dear Sir,

I am really disappointed with your channel in portraying the whole Gohana incidence as an act of vandalism by Jats. You channel has not cared a say a word about the murder of Jat youth at the hands of these so-called Dalit hoodlums who are being pampered by all political parties and the communists in particular. Your channel forgets that Jats are the most secular community of India and have sacrificed the most in defending the nation. Its we who have lost maximum lives in wars to protect India. Jats have been living with all other communities peacefully for over centuries in all the villages and there is not a single incidence where we have harmed any dalit.

Honest journalism would have been to look at all aspects of event and represent a balanced picture. Painting a patriotic and law abiding Jat community in black will harm the cause of national integration more.

Jats in general are extremely agitated with biased views presented by your channel. Hope you would clarify the matter live as soon as possible.

Thanking you
Sincerely Yours
Rajendra Kumar Kalkhande
Village Simbhalka
PO Shamli
Distt. Muzaffar Nagar (UP)
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[mkrana]

let us flood NDTV with emails and tell them that how unhappy we Jats are from their methods of painting us in black....I will sending them an email staright away..

RK^2

I respect your enthusiam but do you truely think that NDTV will take pain to go through our mails and change their story under that pressure ... I doubt that.
Don't we have political leaders from our community - who boast to have supports from "Jat-Dominated-Areas" in Delhi/Haryana/UP/Punjab?
Should not they also speak? Or are they waiting for elections?
I think they should be flooded with mails ... the 'jaat-leader' image is their bread-and-butter and they should also dare to stand for their image.

Can anyone provide contact information for these leaders?

[priti]

Manoj

Something is many times better than nothing....even if 50 of us write to them...atleast they will know in their conscious that somebody is opposing their stand on the issue...

on the other hand...if nobody writes....they will automatically think that what they are doing is right....

On the leaders front, their involvement in this inconsequential at best. Leaders should always be caste neutral....the fact that they are not so at the moment are the root cause of incidents like Gohana....on one hand we condemn 'dalit' leaders and on the other we want our leaders to be 'jat' leaders...this will be hypocrisy on our part...

[priti]

my response to ndtv:

Feedback on programme broadcasted on 4th of September 2005, Hum Log, Topic: Gohana.

Respected Madam/Sir

I am not very regular writer to NDTV on its programs. Maybe that is why you might want to consider this feedback seriously, you will be encouraging or discouraging atleast one of your viewer from providing a feedback in future.

I was watching the program called 'Hum Log' last sunday and I felt that the views expressed in the program were completed distorted and one sided. The whole cliched statements about 'Dalits' and their oppression seem too easy to believe. I am from Jat community and I understand how things function in this community at social level. We have never been one to discriminate people on the basis of their caste and making their lives difficult. We believe in our simple living, not unnecessarily disturbing other communities and not be disturbed ourselves and yes, we believe in honour. Of course, like any other community we have our share of bad apples but kindly do not portray jats as having hegemony over other communities.

The gohana incident happened because there were dalit miscreants, some of whom raped a local jat girl and some of whom killed a jat boy and many involved in drugs and thefts. I am not saying that burning their houses was justified course of action. Jats are hotblooded and when provoked (and believe me murder and rape are enough provocations if we leave aside the trouble this bunch of so called oppressed dalit were created for the local people including shopkeepers).

My only request to you is to uphold your principles of journalism and represent the whole true picture and not get into the the debate of 'upper-caste oppressing lower caste'. Instead please view it as a community protecting itself from menace created by some people....they would done the same thing if these menacing people were jats themselves...and then i guess it would not have been 'news'!

Thank you.

Priti Shokeen

[mkrana]

Priti,
Yeah I agree in pure hypothetical idealistic sense it would have been hypocracy on my part to call leaders as 'jat-leaders' - since as you rightly put 'leaders should be caste-neutral. But are they?
But does being caste-neutral means you should keep quiet even when something obviously wrong is being portrayed because opposing that will portray you as favouring a particular caste? Keeping quiet on sensitive-communal issues like this ... are they really 'caste-neutral'?

If leaders are not speaking (may be to appease their masters in Delhi) then what is the use of them (I am not favoring any particular party/person)? I would not have included them into scenario unless 'dalit leaders' are were not their to put their weight behind the incident. They will raise the issue in parliament, use government machinery to protect their interests and all we want to do is whatever little we can !!! Where is the level-playing field?

I don't think to portray the correct picture we should hesitate including them if some of them still has soul to stand and speakup.

I appriciate the your letter contents and should be drafting my own very soon.

[jitendershooda]

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PRITI ...THANKS A LOT FOR GIVING THIS IDEA TO WRITE TO THEM ...

I WROTE THEM AND REQUEST EVERY JAT TO WRITE TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN FOUND WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG ...


Hello,

I want to bring to your notice about your coverage of Gohana Kand. I was watching your channel and really likes the words of your advert.,"Sach dikahte hein Hum ....... "

BUT I DONOT FOUND ANY ATTEMPT OF YOUR'S TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH AND TO POTRAY IT LIKE A MATURE TV CHANNEL. YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST ON THE EASY WAY TO GET POPULARITY AND NOT AT ALL CONCERNED WITH THE TRUTH.

REPORT THAT ONE OF YOUR CORRESPONDANT GAVE THAT DAY FROM GOHANA-

"The reason is this that like all over India here also there is a gap between the upper(SAMANTHWADI) and dalits and the upper caste here is JATS those can't bear that these dalits have their possession on the important lands in the cities. And that is why they are doing such acts to fear them off."

WHAT A CHEAP MENTALITY YOU PEOPLE ARE HAVING. HAVE YOU DONE ANY ATTEMPT THERE TO FIND OUT THE REALITY.

LET'S ME TELL YOU THE REALITY OF THOSE SO CALLED INNOCENT DALITS THERE IN GOHANA ..... HOPE THAT YOU ARE KEEN TO LISTEN TO YOUR DRAWBACKS AND WILL BE WILLING TO RECTIFY THEM IN FUTURE .... IF NOT GOD BLESS YOU AND I WILL NOT BE WATCHING YOUR CHANNEL ANY MORE ....SHOW WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT TO SHOW THEN ... AND THIS IS NOT ONLY MY ANGER FOR YOU MOST OF THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE ARE HAVING THIS FEELING FOR YOUR COVERING ...IN THIS EPISODE ...SO AGAIN THINK OF YOUR DOINGS...

THE REALITY:

1. Those innocent Dalits were involved in Smake,Drugs and loot-paat.

IF YOU ARE REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THEN GO AHEAD AND EXPOSE THIS .... YOU CAN FOUND SO MUCH OF EVIDENCES THERE ...

2. They do murders, kidnaps ... taking money for the same...

3. Ask the locality surrounding them who donot let their Ladies move out of their houses early or late (IN THIS 21ST CENTURY AND ONLY 2 HOURS RUN FROM DELHI .... HAVE YOU EVER IMAGINED THIS SITUATION) because these innocent Dalits used to Tease them ...pull them sometimes into their houses for pleasure ...but it is ok as they are INNOCENT DALITS ...

4. Only few months ago ... they only murdered one guy from near by village BUTANA and the cases are going on very smooth and calmly as they go in INDIA ...

5. Only another small mistake these INNOCENT did was to RAPE one girl from village KATHURA ...

6. Recently they did again that childish mistake to kill a financer from village Garhwal and that also in a very decent manner in public openly as they were very HELPLESS, INNOCENT and SECULAR.

SEE THE SCENE HOW THAT GUY WAS KILLED, I AM TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE IT ---
6 DALITS STOPPED ONE SAMANTHWADI UPPER CASTE GUY WHO WAS ON THE WAY FOR HIS BUSINESS TO LEAD HIS HOUSE AND TO FEED HIS SMALL FAMILY. THEY DRAGGED HIM ON THE ROAD PUBLICALLY. THEY BEAT HIM IN ALL POSSIBLE MANNERS AND POSES THAT THEY HAD EVER WATCHED IN MOVIES ....AND THEN AFTER A PUBLIC SHOW OF 30 MINUTES THESE BROKE DOWN HIS NECK LIKE A MANLLY HERO ACT ....


****** I WANT TO ANGRILLY WANT TO TELL THAT CORRESPONDANT OF YOURS THAT THIS WAS THE REALITY AND THERE IN NO WHERE THE INTEREST ON LAND IN THIS EPISODE ... CLEAR YOUR MINDS AND DONOT EXPLOIT PEOPLE TAKING UNNECESSARY BENEFITS OF THE MEDIA'S FREEDOM.

ACT ACCORDINGLY TO YOUR ADVETISEMENT THAT YOU SHOW ...... "SACH DIKHATE HEIN HUM .... "

I THINK YOU HAVE ANY MORAL LEFT IN YOU THEN YOU WILL AGAIN GO BACK TO THAT PLACE AND WILL TRY TO FIND OUT THE REALITY ....

THANKS,
JITENDER SINGH HOODA
ROHTAK -124001
HARYANA

[mkrana]

Here it goes one more:

Dear Sir/Madam,
I have been a regular viewer to NDTV for so long. And was really impressed about the contents and presentations of some of your programs - specially 'Big-Fight' and regular news delivery.
But I found the recent coverage of Gohana incident was far below the standard I had set for NDTV - or any news media for that matter. The one sided manner in which the incident was reported was not only 'unethical' to media profession but also 'disgusting and provoking'. The media coverage seemed to be targetted at generating sympathies for Dalits. The act of local outburst of anger against - continued 1st degree criminal acts commited by Dalits repeatedly and later political and administrative impunity provided to them - was portrayed as an act of Dalit oppression by 'Jaats' and were given vague reasons like land-ownership issues.
I am not asking you to revert your story, go for public apology or any other kind of demage control. If I get any kind of response from you in this matter - that would help me to understand the truth behind other similar news coverage that I was taking for granted 'to be true' for so long. I know this story is presented with distortions, I just wanted to know whether it was an isolated incident of such distortions.Frankly speaking at this time I am in real doubt what to beleive and what not to.
Hope to get a response from you.

Thanks
Manoj Rana
New Delhi.