ravichaudhary
September 5th, 2005, 11:25 PM
Two files have been uploaded.
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/
Guptas were Jats.doc
8th century evidence of Guptas being Jats
mmkv2.bmp
Verses 751-762 from Aryamanjushri Mulkalpa in Sanskrit
They are from the Arya Manjushri Mulkalpa
The Arya manjushri Mul kalpa, is a history of India covering the period 700 BCE to 770 CE (or AD). The history was a Buddhist Mahayana work, by a Tibetan scholar, and was composed sometime in the 8th century CE.
The work itself is a short work about 1,000 Shlokas, (verses).
MM Ganapati Sastri of the State of Travancore, Kerala published it, in 1925. Hover as the author K P Jayaswal points out; Ganpati’s work had many errors, as Mr Sastri was unfamiliar with Buddhist terms.
The work was edited and corrected by another historian of those times, Rahul Sankritayana, and we are grateful to K P Jayaswal for bringing this material out in his eminently scholarly book”.
:” An Imperial history of India C 700 BC – C 770 AD, published by Eastern book House, Patliputra Path, Rajendra Nagar, Patna, Bihar, a reprinted by Brite printers, 27 new Rohtak road New Delhi.
The problem of not being familiar with Buddhist or north Indian culture or terms, is a blind spot that many learned scholars, including historians, are not immune from.
Looking to see a “Hindu” puranic version of history, these learned scholars look at History with a 4 fold Varna system lens, and of course find it.
Yet the same information interpreted with a slightly different attitude produces dramatically different results.
To the learned K P Jayaswal we are grateful that he spotted and brought out the fact the second Guptas, (Chandra Gupta II, Samudra Gupta etc circa 200 BCE to 600 BCE) were Jats, who came originally form the Mathura area. They were of the “ Dharan” goth/Gotra, as shown by the inscription of the Prabhadevi Plate, where she gives her father’s (and her) goth as Dharan. The Dharan Jats still can be found in the U.P Mathura region and they proudly point to their ancient glory, of how their forefathers ruled Hindustan.
What exactly does the MMK, (Jayaswal's translation into English) say:
“ Without Doubt, in the system of Guada (then) there (will) be kings, some of them whom will be killed (in war) by weapon and some will dies of diseases (i.e. natural death) (775-56). They were all orthodox Hindus [they were consigned to naraka (hell).
Then Sisu will be king, in whose court women will hold chief influence. He will rule for a fortnight. He was killed by weapon (757).
A great famine and invasion made the eastern provinces distracted, terrorized and demoralized.
In that country, undoubtedly, (then) there will be a king – a great King – of Mathura Jata (Jat) family, born of a Vaisali Lady, originally Vaislya. He became a king of Magadhas (758-60)” [pp52-53]
Jayaswal goes on to say in his comments
“Comments
Owing to the name the author as Vaisya has considered “Gupta” the dynasty originally. But the author is careful to note the fact in the next verse that they were described before him (prokta) as leading Kshatriyas {kshatriyah agram) (761).
The invasion mentioned above refers to the Kota vs. Gupta fights for two generations.
It is to be marked that although the king is not named, he is described as the son of the Vaisali Lady in the Tibetan text.
He is said to have been a Mathura-Jata (Sanskrit- Jata-vamsa). Jata-vamsa, that is, Jata Dynasty stands for Jarta, that is, Jat. That the Guptas were Jat; we already have good reasons to hold (JBORS, XIX. p. 1U). His Vaisali mother is the Lichchhavi lady.
Evidently the ancestors of Samudra Gupta, according to this datum, once belonged to Mathura."
We of course are thankful that the renowned Historian K P Jayaswal did justice to the Jats be recognizing them and according them their rightful place in History.
Jayaswal sahib is, makes a common mistake, and that is to equate the Jats with the Jarta, a sub tribe of the Madras, described in the Mahabharat,
This mistake is not unexpected, as Jayaswal, writing in 1933, along with Shri Sankrityayana, both belonging to Eastern India, (Bihar and Bengal) were also guided by the thinking of Mr. Ganapati Sastri of Kerala, South India.
These gentlemen, though learned in their own right, were not fully aware of the history of the Jats or of the internal Jat sources. Had they been so aware, they would have recognized that the Maukhari Jats and the Vais (Bains) Jats of whom Harshvardhan of Kanauj and Thaneswar needs no elaboration succeeded the Dharan Gupta Jats.
What the MMK does confirm is that the Dharan Jats came from the Mathura region, made a marriage alliance with the Lichavvis, and ushered in the second greatest empire India after the Maurya Jat empires of circa 300 BCE
The extracts in Sanskrit are in the file mmkv2.bmp
URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/Imperial%20history%20of%20India%20/
The Sanskrit verses are from the sanskrit edition of the Arya Manjushri Mul Kalpa, corrected with the help of the Tibetian Text by the Historian Pandit Rahul Sankrityayana ( CE 1925)
K P Jayaswal’s translation and comments are appended below, without editing: :
From : the Imperial Histopry of Infdia 700 BCE to 770 AD, By K P Jayaswal
Section: 38. Confusion in the East, reign of Sisu [Rudrasena] and the rise of the Gupfa Dynasty Pp 52-53
The section proceeds to give the condition in the Gauda system' that is, Magadha and Gauda, Under the Emperor Prabhavishnu. From section 30-A it is evident that he installed a king in the East whose name was Bhagavat. Probably it was Bhagavat Varman, a possible ancestor of Sundara-varman at Pataliputra mentioned in the Kaumudi-mahotsava, or some other king in Bengal. The confusion described below refers to the revolutions connected with the Kota family and Chandra Gupta I, and the victory of Samudra Gupta over Sisu, who stands in the Puranas for Rudrasena I the Vakataka Emperor, defeated by Samudra Gupta. The word Gupta seems to have been translated by vanik (Vaisya).
{Translation of the verses ( 755 - 760) follows: }
" Without doubt, in the system of Gauda (then) there (will) be kings, some of whom will be killed (in war) by weapon and some will die of diseases (i.e., natural death) (755-56). They were all orthodox Hindus [they were consigned to Naraka]
.
Then, again, Sisu will be king in whose court women will hold chief influence. He will rule for a fortnight. He was killed by weapon (757).
A great famine and invasion made the Eastern Provinces distracted, terrorised and demoralised.
In that country, undoubtedly, (then) there will be a king-a great king-of Mathura Jata (Jat) family, borm of a Vaisali lady (T.), originally Vaisya. He became the king of the Magadhas(758-60)."
Comments
Owing to the name "Gupta" the dynasty has been considered by the author as Vaisya originally. But the author is careful to note the fact in the next verse that they were described before him (prokta) as leading Kshatriyas {kshatriyah agram) (761).
The invasion mentioned above refers to the Kota vs. Gupta fights for two generations.
It is to be marked that although the king is not named, he is described as the son of the Vaisali Lady in the Tibetan text.
He is said to have been a Mathura-Jata (Sanskrit- Jata-vamsa). Jata-vamsa, that is, Jata Dynasty stands for Jarta, that is, Jat. That the Guptas were Jat, we already have good reasons to hold (JBORS, XIX. p. 1U). His Vaisali mother is the Lichchhavi lady.
Evidently the ancestors of Samudra Gupta, according to this datum, once belonged to Mathura."
Is any member knowledgable in sanskrit, ? If sio please contact me.
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/
Guptas were Jats.doc
8th century evidence of Guptas being Jats
mmkv2.bmp
Verses 751-762 from Aryamanjushri Mulkalpa in Sanskrit
They are from the Arya Manjushri Mulkalpa
The Arya manjushri Mul kalpa, is a history of India covering the period 700 BCE to 770 CE (or AD). The history was a Buddhist Mahayana work, by a Tibetan scholar, and was composed sometime in the 8th century CE.
The work itself is a short work about 1,000 Shlokas, (verses).
MM Ganapati Sastri of the State of Travancore, Kerala published it, in 1925. Hover as the author K P Jayaswal points out; Ganpati’s work had many errors, as Mr Sastri was unfamiliar with Buddhist terms.
The work was edited and corrected by another historian of those times, Rahul Sankritayana, and we are grateful to K P Jayaswal for bringing this material out in his eminently scholarly book”.
:” An Imperial history of India C 700 BC – C 770 AD, published by Eastern book House, Patliputra Path, Rajendra Nagar, Patna, Bihar, a reprinted by Brite printers, 27 new Rohtak road New Delhi.
The problem of not being familiar with Buddhist or north Indian culture or terms, is a blind spot that many learned scholars, including historians, are not immune from.
Looking to see a “Hindu” puranic version of history, these learned scholars look at History with a 4 fold Varna system lens, and of course find it.
Yet the same information interpreted with a slightly different attitude produces dramatically different results.
To the learned K P Jayaswal we are grateful that he spotted and brought out the fact the second Guptas, (Chandra Gupta II, Samudra Gupta etc circa 200 BCE to 600 BCE) were Jats, who came originally form the Mathura area. They were of the “ Dharan” goth/Gotra, as shown by the inscription of the Prabhadevi Plate, where she gives her father’s (and her) goth as Dharan. The Dharan Jats still can be found in the U.P Mathura region and they proudly point to their ancient glory, of how their forefathers ruled Hindustan.
What exactly does the MMK, (Jayaswal's translation into English) say:
“ Without Doubt, in the system of Guada (then) there (will) be kings, some of them whom will be killed (in war) by weapon and some will dies of diseases (i.e. natural death) (775-56). They were all orthodox Hindus [they were consigned to naraka (hell).
Then Sisu will be king, in whose court women will hold chief influence. He will rule for a fortnight. He was killed by weapon (757).
A great famine and invasion made the eastern provinces distracted, terrorized and demoralized.
In that country, undoubtedly, (then) there will be a king – a great King – of Mathura Jata (Jat) family, born of a Vaisali Lady, originally Vaislya. He became a king of Magadhas (758-60)” [pp52-53]
Jayaswal goes on to say in his comments
“Comments
Owing to the name the author as Vaisya has considered “Gupta” the dynasty originally. But the author is careful to note the fact in the next verse that they were described before him (prokta) as leading Kshatriyas {kshatriyah agram) (761).
The invasion mentioned above refers to the Kota vs. Gupta fights for two generations.
It is to be marked that although the king is not named, he is described as the son of the Vaisali Lady in the Tibetan text.
He is said to have been a Mathura-Jata (Sanskrit- Jata-vamsa). Jata-vamsa, that is, Jata Dynasty stands for Jarta, that is, Jat. That the Guptas were Jat; we already have good reasons to hold (JBORS, XIX. p. 1U). His Vaisali mother is the Lichchhavi lady.
Evidently the ancestors of Samudra Gupta, according to this datum, once belonged to Mathura."
We of course are thankful that the renowned Historian K P Jayaswal did justice to the Jats be recognizing them and according them their rightful place in History.
Jayaswal sahib is, makes a common mistake, and that is to equate the Jats with the Jarta, a sub tribe of the Madras, described in the Mahabharat,
This mistake is not unexpected, as Jayaswal, writing in 1933, along with Shri Sankrityayana, both belonging to Eastern India, (Bihar and Bengal) were also guided by the thinking of Mr. Ganapati Sastri of Kerala, South India.
These gentlemen, though learned in their own right, were not fully aware of the history of the Jats or of the internal Jat sources. Had they been so aware, they would have recognized that the Maukhari Jats and the Vais (Bains) Jats of whom Harshvardhan of Kanauj and Thaneswar needs no elaboration succeeded the Dharan Gupta Jats.
What the MMK does confirm is that the Dharan Jats came from the Mathura region, made a marriage alliance with the Lichavvis, and ushered in the second greatest empire India after the Maurya Jat empires of circa 300 BCE
The extracts in Sanskrit are in the file mmkv2.bmp
URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/Imperial%20history%20of%20India%20/
The Sanskrit verses are from the sanskrit edition of the Arya Manjushri Mul Kalpa, corrected with the help of the Tibetian Text by the Historian Pandit Rahul Sankrityayana ( CE 1925)
K P Jayaswal’s translation and comments are appended below, without editing: :
From : the Imperial Histopry of Infdia 700 BCE to 770 AD, By K P Jayaswal
Section: 38. Confusion in the East, reign of Sisu [Rudrasena] and the rise of the Gupfa Dynasty Pp 52-53
The section proceeds to give the condition in the Gauda system' that is, Magadha and Gauda, Under the Emperor Prabhavishnu. From section 30-A it is evident that he installed a king in the East whose name was Bhagavat. Probably it was Bhagavat Varman, a possible ancestor of Sundara-varman at Pataliputra mentioned in the Kaumudi-mahotsava, or some other king in Bengal. The confusion described below refers to the revolutions connected with the Kota family and Chandra Gupta I, and the victory of Samudra Gupta over Sisu, who stands in the Puranas for Rudrasena I the Vakataka Emperor, defeated by Samudra Gupta. The word Gupta seems to have been translated by vanik (Vaisya).
{Translation of the verses ( 755 - 760) follows: }
" Without doubt, in the system of Gauda (then) there (will) be kings, some of whom will be killed (in war) by weapon and some will die of diseases (i.e., natural death) (755-56). They were all orthodox Hindus [they were consigned to Naraka]
.
Then, again, Sisu will be king in whose court women will hold chief influence. He will rule for a fortnight. He was killed by weapon (757).
A great famine and invasion made the Eastern Provinces distracted, terrorised and demoralised.
In that country, undoubtedly, (then) there will be a king-a great king-of Mathura Jata (Jat) family, borm of a Vaisali lady (T.), originally Vaisya. He became the king of the Magadhas(758-60)."
Comments
Owing to the name "Gupta" the dynasty has been considered by the author as Vaisya originally. But the author is careful to note the fact in the next verse that they were described before him (prokta) as leading Kshatriyas {kshatriyah agram) (761).
The invasion mentioned above refers to the Kota vs. Gupta fights for two generations.
It is to be marked that although the king is not named, he is described as the son of the Vaisali Lady in the Tibetan text.
He is said to have been a Mathura-Jata (Sanskrit- Jata-vamsa). Jata-vamsa, that is, Jata Dynasty stands for Jarta, that is, Jat. That the Guptas were Jat, we already have good reasons to hold (JBORS, XIX. p. 1U). His Vaisali mother is the Lichchhavi lady.
Evidently the ancestors of Samudra Gupta, according to this datum, once belonged to Mathura."
Is any member knowledgable in sanskrit, ? If sio please contact me.