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    Tughlaks n Jats

    The dynasty of ghazi mallik may be regarded as an indigenous one. His father came to Hindustan in the time of Balban and married a Jat girl of the Punjab.

    there after began Tuglak Dynasty

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    Muhammad bin
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktewatia
    The dynasty of ghazi mallik may be regarded as an indigenous one. His father came to Hindustan in the time of Balban and married a Jat girl of the Punjab.

    there after began Tuglak Dynasty

    Ghiyas-ud-din
    Muhammad bin
    Firuz Shah....
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    Don't mind Tewatia sahab....never heard about Tuglak - Jat connection...., Can u give the reference of BOOK/Website from where u have picked up this info....
    Quote Originally Posted by sktewatia
    The dynasty of ghazi mallik may be regarded as an indigenous one. His father came to Hindustan in the time of Balban and married a Jat girl of the Punjab.

    there after began Tuglak Dynasty

    Ghiyas-ud-din
    Muhammad bin
    Firuz Shah....
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    pg no. 306, chapter IV, "The House of Tughlak and Beginning of Disruption"

    Book Name "An Advanced History of India" 4th Edition, with an appendix on Bangladesh.

    by R C Mazumdar
    HC Raychaudhary
    Kalikinkar Dutta

    reprinted in 85

    macmillan india limited

    sbn 33390 298 X

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    Dac Sahb ki chot ek common jat ki chot hai, ek suraj mal te pahle jat kitt marre the?

    vo achanak is most fertile land of world pe kab kaabijj ho ho gaye. aur jab kaabijj ho gaye jub ke itihass nahin likha gaya ho ga kya? kitne purane se ye Jatt????????

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    jats could find their mention in NCERT books only two times.

    Surjmal was well known the other was this dadi of of muhammad bin tughalak.

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    We should thank these muslim historians as they recognised the existence of jats as a group of people at least.

    we find jat king ruling in kingdom near arabia,and jat settled in Arabia even before birth of prophet.
    These jats were told to be of indian origin not of some other country, taking jat already there in Arabia in fifth century they would been there in india for centuries earlier when they were reffered indian by Imam bukhari a muslim historian of that times.

    The respect which these jat kings who held sway near arabian lands is demonstrated by the extensive praise of an insignificant gift as small as aginger picle by jat king to prophet by himself.
    Last edited by narenderkharb; April 17th, 2006 at 12:00 PM.

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    We find discription of people's fight against corrupt monarchy as in french or russian revolutions in grate details in Indian History books and indian historians burning midnight oil to examine minute details of events.but...

    None even mentioned a single word about the revolution by jats of lohan and other tribes against the treacherous aqusitions of their kingdom in Sindh by chach actively supported by brahmans.Common jat man and women fought pitched battle every where in streets,brahmans under pujari vasisth invoked Indra to come to the aid of chach and composed many verses.
    The revolution failed and the usrper and brahmins just looted their vihars and advised the chach to put severest of miseries which were perpetrated later as the same chach relative Mokha converted to muslim religion and acting as the representative of Kasim imposed conditions on jats in collobration with brahmins.
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    Kharab

    In NCERT books also, their genuine conquests were described as looters only. n these bhole jats, out of their (historian's) shear manipulation opted not to appear in history, rather to show their existence, in whatever way they existed in india.

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    the biggest empire in india only 3 persons had. asoka, tughlak n aurangzeb. look at the map of these conquerers. there was 4th kanishka, the kasuan (kushan) jat, who ruled indian n chinese parts 2gather.

    as far as asoka is concerned, the day people recognised that he was one of the jat fellows, he was turned out 2 b 2 selfish. "only kalinga remained rest all jats conquered, means the forefathers of asoka".

    describes romila "he was too selfish a king, jub sub kuchh jit ke he became a budhist, saying that om shanti shanti om!"

    A king has 2 threats one from internal enemies n second from external enemies. Asoka pacified both, due to his self intersts. sending his ambassadors to out side lands, sanghmitra etc. n inside he kept a vigilence in India as a Budhist monarch.

    As budhism spread from India, there is no doubt?????????

    where it is no longer exists.

    similarly Jatism spread from India.

    but it still exists!!!!!!!

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    I believe jats are of Scythian origin.A lot of research has been done on scythian origins of jats. Scythians were called saka in ancient india and there were saka empires as well in India.
    Schthian tribes were said to be most powerfull worrier tribes of ancient world and they originally lived around caspian sea.
    The origin of jats and german tribes are said to be the same, from the Scyhtia around caspian sea. Infact, jutes were a part of germanic tribes and there is still a place called jutland in Denmark (above Germany) and Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktewatia
    the biggest empire in india only 3 persons had. asoka, tughlak n aurangzeb. look at the map of these conquerers. there was 4th kanishka, the kasuan (kushan) jat, who ruled indian n chinese parts 2gather.

    as far as asoka is concerned, the day people recognised that he was one of the jat fellows, he was turned out 2 b 2 selfish. "only kalinga remained rest all jats conquered, means the forefathers of asoka".

    describes romila "he was too selfish a king, jub sub kuchh jit ke he became a budhist, saying that om shanti shanti om!"

    A king has 2 threats one from internal enemies n second from external enemies. Asoka pacified both, due to his self intersts. sending his ambassadors to out side lands, sanghmitra etc. n inside he kept a vigilence in India as a Budhist monarch.

    As budhism spread from India, there is no doubt?????????

    where it is no longer exists.

    similarly Jatism spread from India.

    but it still exists!!!!!!!
    Tewatia saheb, is biggest empire ki list mein ek naam aur tha, Chandragupt Maurya. The Jat kings that Narender Kharab bhai has talked about went to Arabia in Chandragupt's time. His empire stretched upto Arabia. It is he who got that famous Mahadev temple in Kaaba constructed. That was usurped by Muslims.

    Source : Sayyr-ul-okul.
    - In the ordinary course of nature thousands upon thousands are born every day, but he alone is truly born whose birth leads to the elevation of his race.

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    The jat king ruling near Arabia as quoted by muslim historian bukhari ,a contemporary of prophet muhammad was certainly not Chandergupt Maurya The Jat King.

    As that King sent a gift to muhammd and the two events are seprated by almost a thousand year.

    However I did point out that the jats had already settled in Arabia many years before the birth of prophet and they were called Indian, thereby indicating their ancient Indian antiquity.

    Some sites as bartvani or voice of dahrma do say that king Vikarmaditya constructed the makka temple ,who was this Vikramaditya and wether he constructed this at all is shrouded in mystery as except a poem we don't find any evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gauravchaudhary
    I believe jats are of Scythian origin.A lot of research has been done on scythian origins of jats. Scythians were called saka in ancient india and there were saka empires as well in India.
    Schthian tribes were said to be most powerfull worrier tribes of ancient world and they originally lived around caspian sea.
    The origin of jats and german tribes are said to be the same, from the Scyhtia around caspian sea. Infact, jutes were a part of germanic tribes and there is still a place called jutland in Denmark (above Germany) and Germany.
    You are certainly stating the widely held belief but certain point I would like to clarify.

    Sythian is a very wide term and include many non jat races also.

    There is no proof that jats lived originaly near Caspian sea.They are living in India since time immemorial.

    Sakas of India may be Sythian or may be the Parthians itself as pointed out by reputated historians as taran.
    Last edited by narenderkharb; April 26th, 2006 at 11:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narenderkharb
    The jat king ruling near Arabia as quoted by muslim historian bukhari ,a contemporary of prophet muhammad was certainly not Chandergupt Maurya The Jat King.

    As that King sent a gift to muhammd and the two events are seprated by almost a thousand year.

    However I did point out that the jats had already settled in Arabia many years before the birth of prophet and they were called Indian, thereby indicating their ancient Indian antiquity.

    Some sites as bartvani or voice of dahrma do say that king Vikarmaditya constructed the makka temple ,who was this Vikramaditya and wether he constructed this at all is shrouded in mystery as except a poem we don't find any evidence.

    www.salagram.net/VWH-Kaaba.html
    - In the ordinary course of nature thousands upon thousands are born every day, but he alone is truly born whose birth leads to the elevation of his race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sampuran
    Tewatia saheb, is biggest empire ki list mein ek naam aur tha, Chandragupt Maurya. The Jat kings that Narender Kharab bhai has talked about went to Arabia in Chandragupt's time. His empire stretched upto Arabia. It is he who got that famous Mahadev temple in Kaaba constructed. That was usurped by Muslims.

    Source : Sayyr-ul-okul.
    I agree Sampuran Singh ji, but Chandra Gupta Maurya and his sons's Bindusara Empire did not include Kalinga and deep south. It was Asoka who at last fulfilled the task thus extending the empire of Chandra Gupta Maurya. I agree that truly it was not only one the bigeest empire that India had ever seen rather it was one of the biggest empire that world had ever seen. Jat forces over the world were at peak during Asoka and Kanishka's time.

    You may be justified that Jats were present in Arabia etc. that time as Mauryas maintained diplomatic links with Roman empire. Wine of Bindusar used to come from Rome. Asoka perhaps had the biggest empire the world had ever seen. Next perhaps was Changez who ruled more that half of the world's population. Asokan victory should not be seen only in terms of his empire. He had a solid influence outside also on Vhina, Japan, Sri Lanka, Mongolia, Central and west Asia and combined together this land was much more than what Changez had and no King of the world rather had.

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    Some people wanted the proofs. I quoted them earlier now the scanned copy is here.
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    Details were given in earlier post.

    Quote Originally Posted by sktewatia View Post
    pg no. 306, chapter IV, "The House of Tughlak and Beginning of Disruption"

    Book Name "An Advanced History of India" 4th Edition, with an appendix on Bangladesh.

    by R C Mazumdar
    HC Raychaudhary
    Kalikinkar Dutta

    reprinted in 85

    macmillan india limited

    sbn 33390 298 X

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