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    We Can't Change History .......

    We can’t Change History
    But it can be repeated
    When India attained the independence on 15th August , 1947 , following on call of Sardar Patel known as ‘ Iron Man of India ‘ the then Home Minister of India , all the princely states have acceded to the Union of India except three states i.e. Hyderabad , Junagarh and jammu & Kashmir having entirely different social and topographical situation . J&K state was being ruled by Hindu King Hari Singh with the majority population of Muslims. He wanted to keep his state as an independent out of ambit of India. Sardar Patel immediately came into action against the Nizam of Hyd. by sending troops under command Maj. Gen. J.N.Chaudhary to take offensive which was proved four day wonder with Nizam’s Army surrender and the state was acceded to the Indian Union, which is now known as Hyd. Police action. Similarly, a small offensive which also taken against Junagarh, resulting into Nawab’s desertion from the state and crossing over to Pakistan. Now it was clear for Pt. Nehru that next target of Patel would be Jammu&Kashmir , he immediately taken away the department of the J&K from Patel, which was under the Ministry of Home Affairs.
    On 27th October, 1947, about 5000 Pakistani tribes mingled with Pakistani soldiers had invaded Kashmir. Brg. Rajender Singh Army Chief of the Raja Hari Singh in Kahsmir was stationed at Badami Bagh Cantt. With his poor Brigade of merely 165 in strength had came into action and the Brg. Immediately rushed with his troops to take action against the intruders and fought bravely with his troops till their last drop of blood. But all of them were killed in the action. Sheikh Abdullah was also in his sincere efforts to keep away the intruders from Srinagar with a popular support of the local public, which cannot be ignored. It would be worth mentioning that Sheikh Abdullah and his generation always remain criticaster of Pakistan boldly but sturdy protector and stump-orator of Kashmir identity. At this point of time King Hari Singh was in Jammu, as soon as he came to know about the debacle of his tiny Army, he immediately flown to Delhi with his daughter to meet Pt. Nehru and Lord Mountbatten for help. It was an opportunity for Nehru and Batten to get bow down the King to have accede his state in the Indian Union in writing before extending any help to him. Subsequently, the King had to accede his state under compulsion. Thus the role of Raja Hari Singh cannot be calculated as patriotic one from the very beginning. Similarly, his fore- fathers Raja Gulab Singh, Suchet Singh and Dhayan Singh those were initially orderly soldiers of Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s army, later on elevated to the post of Generals. But, after the death of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, all they were involved into conspiracy cooked there one after another against the state and finally supported the British Army underneath during the fight of Sikhs and Britishers from 1843 to 1846. During this hustling period of the state, they fraudulently taken away a huge amount from the states treasury and succeeded to purchase the J&K state at the cost of two and half lacs pounds from the Britishers .
    After 24 hours , on accede of J&K 1st Sikh Regiment stationed at Palam (Delhi) was airlifted to Srinagar Airport under command Lt. Col. Rai , while the intruders were approaching Badgam 12 Kms. from Srinagar town . One of the coys. under command of Maj. Som Nath had initially engaged the intruders near Badgam followed by a fierce battle , Maj. Som Nath and his troops fought bravely with high degree of patriotism , subsequently , he was awarded with first highest gallantry award of the independent India with Param Veer Chakra posthumously . The Indian Army under command of well-versed and well breed Lt. Gen. Kulwant Singh in J&K smashed the invaders and advancing towards the POK crossing Tithwal sector and on other side, Indian Army created a world history by driving tanks at Jogella pass at the height of more than 10,000 ft. First tank was driven by Jem. Hardwari Lal . A major portion of the Indian was from the warriors of the 2nd World War, now they were fighting for their own country with highest triumph of zeal and valour. When the Indian Army was likely to overpower the whole of J&K within short span of time, Alas! Pt. Nehru suddenly announced unilateral ceasefire and immediately put his Memorandum before the U.N. for plebiscite for the Kashmiris. Thus we found blunder mistakes on the part of Pt. Nehru due to which Kashmir problem is still lingering despite the heavy loss to the nation and seems everlasting at present.

    contd............

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    Again during China aggression 1962, the history was repeated in its own way but slightly on other way. In J&K 1947-48 the reputation as well as morale of the Indian Army was on its esteem but during 1962, it was all on reverse. Why?
    China was reluctant to recognize the Mc Mahon Line meant for demarcation of the border in between India-Tibet and as well China, since its inception in 1914. Communist China’s ideology stands, “Power grows out of the barrel of a gun” which was pronounced by their supreme prophet Mao-Tsa-Tung. On other side Indian’s slogan was, “Satyamave Jayate”. There was no match in between, but totally a contradictory. Even though, on April29, 1954 Pt. Nehru joined China to sign the famous Panchsheel Agreement relinquishing all extra territorial rights and privileges in Tibet by India. But a slogan “ Hindi Cheeni Bhai Bhai” was sounding in the streets of India. India further agreed to withdraw its military garrisons from Yatung and Gyantse. Thus the Sino-Indian honeymoon was now in full swing.
    On 17th march, 1959, following overrun of the Tibetan rebellion by China, Dalai Lama with a party of eight men crossed India via Towang sector of NEFA and India was quick to give asylum to Lama and his men with warm welcome despite grave displeasure by China, Now China has started infiltration and encroachment into Indian Territory. Ten Jawans of CRPF on patrol were killed indiscriminately at Konaka in Ladakh by Chinese on 21st October, 1959, and this day is being celebrated as Commemoration Day in Police forces all over the country. On other side, there had been 25 known air violation by Chinese aircrafts over NEFA during this period. Now the Indian Army was ordered to take over the prevailing situation at Indo-China border. Lt.Gen.Daulat Singh G.O.C-in-C Western Command was quick to take stock of the situation and he had sent a structural Jarring note bitterly complaining of the inadequacy of defenses in Ladakh to hold a full scale attack by Chinese, to the Army H.Q., further stating “I would be failing in my duty if I did not draw attention to the size and shape of this potential threat and the means required to contain it….” Lt. Gen. L.P.Sen G.O.C-in-C Eastern Command was equally blunt about the weakness of the Indian forces in NEFA. But all in vein. Army Chief Gen. P.N.Thapar, Joint Secretary, Defence S.G Sareen, Defence Minister Krishan Menon and above all Pt. Nehru did not pay any heed. Those leaders were in their pet theories and idealistic romanticism at their own. Lt. Gen. B.M. Kaul a blue eyed Gen. of Pt. Nehru and Krishna Menon given command of a special crops, 4th corps stationed at Tejpur with a strength of 27000, who did not even command a Regiment (1000 men) in his service. As soon as the Chinese Army captured our Dhola Post in NEFA, Gen. Kaul had dsesrted the battlefield on medical ground and flown to Delhi.
    It was the period of ‘Great Illusion’. Commanders were being changed frequently. Chain of command was overlooked by the Army H.Q., as direct were being passed to a BN. Commander in lack of war tactics and strategy. Hobnobbing among Pt. Nehru, Krishna Menon and Gen. Kaul was still in practice. A lot of fine Generals like Gen. S.H.F.J Manek Shaw, Gen. K.S. Thimayya, Gen. S.P.P. Thorat and Gen. Umrao Singh etc were being humiliated on one pretext and the other. However. Gen. Kaul was again sent to the battlefield by the orders of Pt. Nehru under pressure from various quarters.
    62 Brigade under Brg. Hoshiar Singh an officer with an outstanding war record was stationed at Tse-La in NEFA as a fortress with a capacity to give tough fight to the enemy. But all the time confusing orders were passed to him by his senior commanders creating a great confusion in all ranks and files. Though he was killed fighting bravely on intervening night of 17/18 November, 1962. Gen. B.M. Kaul stated “Pathania is solely responsible for Tse-La debacle, who lost his nerve and all the time seemed concerned to pull Hoshiar Singh’s Brigade from Tse-La to Diongzonj, his divisional H.Q., so as to give himself greater protection”. Maj. Gen. A.S. Pathania who was Divisional Commander of Brg. Hoshiar singh stated “ He had not ordered Hoshiar Singh to withdraw from Tse-La on that night. Hoshiar Singh withdrawn because Kaul had earlier told them that Hoshiar Singh might have to withdraw from Tse-La and must keep ready for such eventually”.
    Who was responsible for this guilt? After the war, a committee was constituted under Henderson Brooks and Maj.Gen. P.S. Bhagat etc. to find out the shortcomings despite they were junior to the most of the Generals of that time and were not liable to record their statements including Gen. Kaul, The report was proved an eyewash and never disclosed to the book. Moreover, those were responsible for the loss of precious lives of more than 5000 officers and jawans, 15000sq.miles of Indian Territory and above all the ‘Glory of Nation’ has been remained at large. It is also noteworthy that Pt. Nehru who was known as a Champion of Indian Foreign Policy, only two countries out of 55 Afro-Asian countries supported the cause of India on this great debacle of 1962.

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    Welcome to Jatland, Sangwan ji.

    Past events cannot be changed but, to some extent, history can be changed (i.e. re-written). History is not merely description of events but also the way or style to interpret those events. It is up to the writer to project the things in a positive or negative manner. The history which is being taught in our schools, is something which needs to be re-written.

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    we must try to change our future, so that future history will be in accordance.
    :rockwhen you found a key to success,some ideot change the lock,*******BREAK THE DOOR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dndeswal View Post
    .

    Welcome to Jatland, Sangwan ji.

    Past events cannot be changed but, to some extent, history can be changed (i.e. re-written). History is not merely description of events but also the way or style to interpret those events. It is up to the writer to project the things in a positive or negative manner. The history which is being taught in our schools, is something which needs to be re-written. .
    You are right Deswalji that the School text books especially those related to History need immediate revision as the raw minds of the young children are very sensitive and receptive. They must be taught positive moral values and ethos of Indian multi-cultural life.
    In fact with the unearthing of new data history is always revised/re-revised and new interpretations included in this course to make the history more meaningful.
    But it is wrong to admit that writer is free to project the things in a positive or negative manner. Rather, to make the anthology meaningful and acceptable the author has to take objective view of the subject then and only then he could be considered an acceptable historian. Biased writing can be anything but history.
    The 'history' from its Greek origin of word 'historia' connotes what actually happened and not what some writer or author wants to paint it the way he likes.
    Thanks.

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  11. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by ravinderjeet View Post
    we must try to change our future, so that future history will be in accordance.
    Friend,

    Taking lessons from the past we must improve our present and in future, history will be description of what we are today.

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangu View Post
    We can’t Change History
    But it can be repeated
    When India attained the independence on 15th August , 1947 , following on call of Sardar Patel known as ‘ Iron Man of India ‘ the then Home Minister of India , all the princely states have acceded to the Union of India except three states i.e. Hyderabad , Junagarh and jammu & Kashmir having entirely different social and topographical situation . J&K state was being ruled by Hindu King Hari Singh with the majority population of Muslims. He wanted to keep his state as an independent out of ambit of India. Sardar Patel immediately came into action against the Nizam of Hyd. by sending troops under command Maj. Gen. J.N.Chaudhary to take offensive which was proved four day wonder with Nizam’s Army surrender and the state was acceded to the Indian Union, which is now known as Hyd. Police action. Similarly, a small offensive which also taken against Junagarh, resulting into Nawab’s desertion from the state and crossing over to Pakistan. Now it was clear for Pt. Nehru that next target of Patel would be Jammu&Kashmir , he immediately taken away the department of the J&K from Patel, which was under the Ministry of Home Affairs.
    On 27th October, 1947, about 5000 Pakistani tribes mingled with Pakistani soldiers had invaded Kashmir. Brg. Rajender Singh Army Chief of the Raja Hari Singh in Kahsmir was stationed at Badami Bagh Cantt. With his poor Brigade of merely 165 in strength had came into action and the Brg. Immediately rushed with his troops to take action against the intruders and fought bravely with his troops till their last drop of blood. But all of them were killed in the action. Sheikh Abdullah was also in his sincere efforts to keep away the intruders from Srinagar with a popular support of the local public, which cannot be ignored. It would be worth mentioning that Sheikh Abdullah and his generation always remain criticaster of Pakistan boldly but sturdy protector and stump-orator of Kashmir identity. At this point of time King Hari Singh was in Jammu, as soon as he came to know about the debacle of his tiny Army, he immediately flown to Delhi with his daughter to meet Pt. Nehru and Lord Mountbatten for help. It was an opportunity for Nehru and Batten to get bow down the King to have accede his state in the Indian Union in writing before extending any help to him. Subsequently, the King had to accede his state under compulsion. Thus the role of Raja Hari Singh cannot be calculated as patriotic one from the very beginning. Similarly, his fore- fathers Raja Gulab Singh, Suchet Singh and Dhayan Singh those were initially orderly soldiers of Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s army, later on elevated to the post of Generals. But, after the death of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, all they were involved into conspiracy cooked there one after another against the state and finally supported the British Army underneath during the fight of Sikhs and Britishers from 1843 to 1846. During this hustling period of the state, they fraudulently taken away a huge amount from the states treasury and succeeded to purchase the J&K state at the cost of two and half lacs pounds from the Britishers .
    After 24 hours , on accede of J&K 1st Sikh Regiment stationed at Palam (Delhi) was airlifted to Srinagar Airport under command Lt. Col. Rai , while the intruders were approaching Badgam 12 Kms. from Srinagar town . One of the coys. under command of Maj. Som Nath had initially engaged the intruders near Badgam followed by a fierce battle , Maj. Som Nath and his troops fought bravely with high degree of patriotism , subsequently , he was awarded with first highest gallantry award of the independent India with Param Veer Chakra posthumously . The Indian Army under command of well-versed and well breed Lt. Gen. Kulwant Singh in J&K smashed the invaders and advancing towards the POK crossing Tithwal sector and on other side, Indian Army created a world history by driving tanks at Jogella pass at the height of more than 10,000 ft. First tank was driven by Jem. Hardwari Lal . A major portion of the Indian was from the warriors of the 2nd World War, now they were fighting for their own country with highest triumph of zeal and valour. When the Indian Army was likely to overpower the whole of J&K within short span of time, Alas! Pt. Nehru suddenly announced unilateral ceasefire and immediately put his Memorandum before the U.N. for plebiscite for the Kashmiris. Thus we found blunder mistakes on the part of Pt. Nehru due to which Kashmir problem is still lingering despite the heavy loss to the nation and seems everlasting at present. contd............
    Congratulations on objective and illuminating presentation of a very important historical event's narrative of Post-Independent Indian History.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangu View Post
    II

    Again during China aggression 1962, the history was repeated in its own way but slightly on other way. In J&K 1947-48 the reputation as well as morale of the Indian Army was on its esteem but during 1962, it was all on reverse. Why?
    China was reluctant to recognize the Mc Mahon Line meant for demarcation of the border in between India-Tibet and as well China, since its inception in 1914. Communist China’s ideology stands, “Power grows out of the barrel of a gun” which was pronounced by their supreme prophet Mao-Tsa-Tung. On other side Indian’s slogan was, “Satyamave Jayate”. There was no match in between, but totally a contradictory. Even though, on April29, 1954 Pt. Nehru joined China to sign the famous Panchsheel Agreement relinquishing all extra territorial rights and privileges in Tibet by India. But a slogan “ Hindi Cheeni Bhai Bhai” was sounding in the streets of India. India further agreed to withdraw its military garrisons from Yatung and Gyantse. Thus the Sino-Indian honeymoon was now in full swing.
    On 17th march, 1959, following overrun of the Tibetan rebellion by China, Dalai Lama with a party of eight men crossed India via Towang sector of NEFA and India was quick to give asylum to Lama and his men with warm welcome despite grave displeasure by China, Now China has started infiltration and encroachment into Indian Territory. Ten Jawans of CRPF on patrol were killed indiscriminately at Konaka in Ladakh by Chinese on 21st October, 1959, and this day is being celebrated as Commemoration Day in Police forces all over the country. On other side, there had been 25 known air violation by Chinese aircrafts over NEFA during this period. Now the Indian Army was ordered to take over the prevailing situation at Indo-China border. Lt.Gen.Daulat Singh G.O.C-in-C Western Command was quick to take stock of the situation and he had sent a structural Jarring note bitterly complaining of the inadequacy of defenses in Ladakh to hold a full scale attack by Chinese, to the Army H.Q., further stating “I would be failing in my duty if I did not draw attention to the size and shape of this potential threat and the means required to contain it….” Lt. Gen. L.P.Sen G.O.C-in-C Eastern Command was equally blunt about the weakness of the Indian forces in NEFA. But all in vein. Army Chief Gen. P.N.Thapar, Joint Secretary, Defence S.G Sareen, Defence Minister Krishan Menon and above all Pt. Nehru did not pay any heed. Those leaders were in their pet theories and idealistic romanticism at their own. Lt. Gen. B.M. Kaul a blue eyed Gen. of Pt. Nehru and Krishna Menon given command of a special crops, 4th corps stationed at Tejpur with a strength of 27000, who did not even command a Regiment (1000 men) in his service. As soon as the Chinese Army captured our Dhola Post in NEFA, Gen. Kaul had dsesrted the battlefield on medical ground and flown to Delhi.
    It was the period of ‘Great Illusion’. Commanders were being changed frequently. Chain of command was overlooked by the Army H.Q., as direct were being passed to a BN. Commander in lack of war tactics and strategy. Hobnobbing among Pt. Nehru, Krishna Menon and Gen. Kaul was still in practice. A lot of fine Generals like Gen. S.H.F.J Manek Shaw, Gen. K.S. Thimayya, Gen. S.P.P. Thorat and Gen. Umrao Singh etc were being humiliated on one pretext and the other. However. Gen. Kaul was again sent to the battlefield by the orders of Pt. Nehru under pressure from various quarters.
    62 Brigade under Brg. Hoshiar Singh an officer with an outstanding war record was stationed at Tse-La in NEFA as a fortress with a capacity to give tough fight to the enemy. But all the time confusing orders were passed to him by his senior commanders creating a great confusion in all ranks and files. Though he was killed fighting bravely on intervening night of 17/18 November, 1962. Gen. B.M. Kaul stated “Pathania is solely responsible for Tse-La debacle, who lost his nerve and all the time seemed concerned to pull Hoshiar Singh’s Brigade from Tse-La to Diongzonj, his divisional H.Q., so as to give himself greater protection”. Maj. Gen. A.S. Pathania who was Divisional Commander of Brg. Hoshiar singh stated “ He had not ordered Hoshiar Singh to withdraw from Tse-La on that night. Hoshiar Singh withdrawn because Kaul had earlier told them that Hoshiar Singh might have to withdraw from Tse-La and must keep ready for such eventually”.
    Who was responsible for this guilt? After the war, a committee was constituted under Henderson Brooks and Maj.Gen. P.S. Bhagat etc. to find out the shortcomings despite they were junior to the most of the Generals of that time and were not liable to record their statements including Gen. Kaul, The report was proved an eyewash and never disclosed to the book. Moreover, those were responsible for the loss of precious lives of more than 5000 officers and jawans, 15000sq.miles of Indian Territory and above all the ‘Glory of Nation’ has been remained at large. It is also noteworthy that Pt. Nehru who was known as a Champion of Indian Foreign Policy, only two countries out of 55 Afro-Asian countries supported the cause of India on this great debacle of 1962.
    Indeed an eye opener account of War History of India by the mighty pen of a former commandant needs attention of the defense policy makers.
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; May 10th, 2012 at 10:07 AM.

  16. #9
    Rightly said that we cannot change history.

    But we must recognise the fact that there is no bar on achieving rare distinctions today in whatever field we happen to belong. If we do so, no future historian could deny our historical contribution.

    Regards
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; May 10th, 2012 at 10:09 AM. Reason: spellings

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Friend,

    Taking lessons from the past we must improve our present and in future, history will be description of what we are today.

    Regards.

    >> http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=_...page&q&f=false <<

  19. #11
    Good quotes from Tejwant Singh book to understand the plight of Jats in the past.

    Thanks

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