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Thread: Who were Kashtriyas Jats Gujjar or Rajputs

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    Who were Kashtriyas Jats Gujjar or Rajputs

    Indian History is written more in terms varnas ,that so and so king was from Kastriya cast and so and so was from Brahmana or Sudra cast.

    Though we find brahmana and can identify sudra with some groups but there have always been a short of contest on claims to kashtriya by various groups as jats gujjars and rajputs.

    There is a discussion going on jat gujjar relation on another jat history site and this post has been taken from there.Here persian sources explains that it is only jats and gujjar that can say we are kashtriyas and out of these two since jat are ancient they can only be kashtriyas.


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    The oldest tribe of warriors in Indian history is termed as that of
    Kashtriya

    Now since Gujjars are related even by gujjar historians to yehzhi and
    huns and yehzi themselves first fought with Sindhus we safely, can
    conclude that Sindhu jats are the ancient warriors among northwestern
    part of this continent inhabiting before kushans or huns the stock
    that gave birth to gujjars.

    So naturally these ancient native warriors were termed Kashtriyas .

    To be more precise Jats were always called Kashtriyas.

    Now What about other neo groups that call themselves today
    kashtriyas.Is History silent about them???.

    No, all ancient persian sources say clearly that though Kashtriyas
    which is Jats are an ancient race Rajputs are a later term .There can
    be some discrepancies about the dates or number of years some kings
    ruled or lived but the events recorded many centuries earlier are
    even found true today also .

    They have same narration regarding Rajput tribe origin ...

    Quote History of India ..kamgar husyani garyat han ,hawajah..


    Sorce ..http://persian.packhum.org/persian/


    The infidels of Khatá, Khutan (Tartary), Chín, and Hind deny that the
    deluge of Noah reached their country, or rather they have no belief
    at all in the deluge. It is the belief of some (Hindús) that the
    Bráhman and Khatrí castes have existed from the most ancient times.
    There are many other castes which came into existence at the end of
    the Dwápar Yúg or third age, and the beginning of the Kalí Yúg or
    fourth age. Thus the Rájpúts were not known at first, but sprang into
    existence in later times. After the death of Rájá Bikramájít Khatrí,
    who lived 1600 and some years before the time in which I write, they
    (the Rájpúts) attained the sovereign power, and the manner of their
    gaining it is thus related: According to a custom which is still
    prevalent, the ráís of the Khatrís make their damsels wait upon them
    during the day, but give them liberty to do as they please at night;
    so each fair one chooses whom she will, and gives birth to children.
    These are brought up with great care, and are looked upon as the
    children of the great ráís. As sons of the house, they consider
    themselves as of noble birth, and call themselves sons of the Rájás.
    If you ask one of them whose son he is, he will tell you he is a
    Rájpút, that is, son of a Rájá; for Raj means the same as Rájá, and
    pút signifies "son." It is related that the sons of Rájá Súraj, whose
    history will be told subsequently, were called Rájpúts.

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    The word Kshatriya is less practcal and more theoretical in books like Aryan. However, Rajput, Kayastha, Bhumihar, Chaudhary, Rai, Rawat etc. titles are hardly hundred years old.
    Last edited by sktewatia; February 18th, 2007 at 12:01 PM.

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    Old Sutyavansi- Chandervansi Jat Kulas = Clans

    OLD SUTYAVANSI- CHANDERVANSI JAT KULAS = CLANS

    DR Tevatia Sahib & Kharb Bhai
    Lo tom bhiyad rakho gy Jat history ny.
    JAT= Sabh ka Baap = OLDEST WARRIOR RACE
    RAJPUT= JISKA RAJ USIKA PUTT = Change according suit them to keep kingdom
    Gujar= JISKO JAT VASAV - GUJAR KARDE UJADD
    GUJAR SU UJAD BHALE UJAD SY BHALE UJAD- ANIMAL CHOR= RAKSAK
    WHAT EVER WE WRITTEN ON NET ON BOOKS. ON WIKI JAT HISTORY
    RAJPUT & GUJAR JUST HAVE TO ADD RAJPUT OR GUJAR AND DELETE JAT WORD. THIS IS GOING ON WIKI AND NET.
    EVEN THEY ARE WRITING
    VICTORIA CROSS WINNER- SUB RICHHPAL RAM LAMBA
    AND RISILDAR BADLU SINGH DHANKHAR - DHAKLA VC AS A RAJPUT.
    NO JAT HAVE GUTS TO STOP THEM. ONLY ME


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrishni#References


    Dear all
    according swami Dayanand and others.
    Humanrace started from TIbet and spread to North Indian plane- Sind- Iran and beyond.
    These people are Aryan the Original Akshetriya. Jats are their present nearest Clans.
    10 OLDEST SURYAVANSI KULA
    !10 CHANDERVANSI KULAS
    12 RISHI KULAS
    4 AGNIVANSI KULAs
    ALL 36 KULAs= PRESENT 36 CASTES came from these 36 Kulas and Jats are in every KUla
    Like Raghuvansi Jats from Ramayana
    YADU VANSI FROM MAHABHARAT PEROIDs.
    VATAS- TAKSHAK- SHIVI- DUDI FROM NAGVANSI
    SEE REF OF OUR BOOK ADHUNIK JAT ITIHAS ON WIKI. ABOVE THREAD
    MORE WILL FOLLOW WITH LINK OF PRESENT GOTRA OF JATS WITH ANCIENT 36 KULAS . FRIST DIGEST THIS BITTER PILL .
    Jay Jawan Jay Kisan Jay Shaheed

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    Jat was agrani kshatriya, when he was challenged. All guptas claimed that they were Agrani Kshatriyas. Even, Dev Samhita clearly expressed "Hey, Parvati, among all the Kshatriyas these Jats were the first rulers of the earth". Jat is a Brahmin, I hope many priests in Arya Samaj are Jats, like Swami Omanad, Indravesh etc. Similar may be a case in Sikh, Muslim, Christrian, Budh, Jain also. He is animal tamer. Jat is a sudra-jab vo gobar pathti hai. Jat is a vaisya when he is tilling his land. It reminds me a sloka of rigveda that I'm a Doctor, My mother grinds (chakki) , my father is a poet. Jat is all in one and Jat is a Jat only. Dividing him in these mythological terms will make no sense. Jat remained independent and even of this terminology, and hence his history is hidden/stolen.

    To understand real history we'll have to come out of such terms, like Aryan invasion, Kshatriya etc.
    Last edited by sktewatia; February 22nd, 2007 at 12:20 AM.

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    Smile who were kashtriyas jats gujjar or Rajput

    you are right actually Rajput words came afterwords and all martial community was known as kashtriyas, and if u look at the gotras of rajputs are matches with jats like rathor, solanki,pawar etc ....and my point of view jats, gujjar and rajputs are from same branch, for gujjar is one of name of jats gotra, basicallly jats is owner of three things Asi(Talwar), Masi(Bhains called buffalo)and krishi(Agriculture)........those who remain as jats they are holding three with them while those who become Rajput they keep only Talwar astheir main symbol while gujar stay with cattle. May be wrong somewhere but jatsr
    seems to be original aryans and of krishna vansh kashtriyas.

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    www.imninalu.net/Eurasians.htm


    Ancient Eurasian Peoples

    The term "Eurasian" is indeed a vague classification, yet it is in a certain way more appropriate than other historic definitions that are as much or perhaps more vague than this. Such is the case of various peoples that Greek historians after Herodotus gathered under the common denomination of "Scythians", even though such definition included peoples of different origins and not completely related to each other if not by sharing the same geographic area for centuries and having eventually been either allies or antagonists at different stages in history. In later times and even now, most of them are classified as "Turkic", without adding any accuracy to the classification patterns given by former historians. Let us take as an example the Hungarians: in fact, while today anthropologists would hardly consider them to be a "Turk" people, most historians do not hesitate ...............



    The Yazyg warriors introduced as Roman soldiers (that by number would be rather insignificant) are not the only Sarmatian component of the British ethnogenesis. Indeed, the Anglo-Saxon peoples that settled in Great Britain and established the foundation of the English nation, consisted also of a third element: the Jutes (or Juts). There are several reasons to assert that the Jutes were Yazyg - not only by the similarity between the terms Jasi, Jata, etc. and Jut, Jute, which may have only a very relative value, but also because of the Juts' life style and traditions. Before their arrival in England, the Juts and the Angles were neighbours in the continent: they inhabited respectively in Jutland and Slesvig. Yet, that was not their original homeland; the Juts came from the south and conquered the peninsula that was called Jutland after them. By the end of the fourth century c.e., Sarmatic groups began to move westwards: Alans driven from the Danubian Basin by the Huns, Juts expelled from Jutland by the Danes. Alan tribes settled in the Gaul and some of them went further to Spain and North-Africa, while the Juts crossed the Channel and founded the kingdom of Kent.

    The Jute settlement in Sutheastern England was led by Hengist and Horsa, who became the kings of Kent - the double kingship is a typical feature of the Scytho-Sarmatic peoples. Besides this, the Kentish people were well-known by their warlike character, and they organized their army in a Yazyg/Alan style. Their property succession laws and family rules and those of the Alans were alike, as well as their agriculture techniques and other traditional customs. A further support to the hypothesis that the Juts were Sarmatians is given by the fact that many Kentish family names are identical to clan names of Scytho-Sarmatic origin found in Asia (see India, Jats).
    This is what concerns the Sarmatian .................




    westernmost branch in the Danubian region: Jász, Jat, Jut. During the British rule over India, colonizers and scholars noticed to their astonishment that many Jat people had apparently English family names or very similar. So, Jit Takhar was not wrong when he was comparing hero/heroin of hollywood like Lindsey Lohan with lohan Jats of India. Certainly the proud Jats would have never adopted British surnames for their own ancestral clans, and they did not result from intermarriage either. Other foreign powers ruled over the Indus Valley before and for longer periods than England, yet no Jat clan names corresponding to the previous rulers have been found. Besides this, no other Indian people had such names except Jats. This peculiarity led scholars to research about these Jat-British homonyms: those names in England may be traced back to a Jut origin, mainly Kentish; among the Jats, they exist since the distant past. This appears to be more than a coincidence; Jats and Juts are the same people. This assertion finds confirmation in historic records, for example, the Roman writer Ammianus Marcellinus, who called all Sarmatian peoples "Alani", wrote: "Alani once were known as the Massagetae. The Alani mount to the eastward, divided into populous and extensive nations; these reach as far as Asia and, as I have heard, stretch all the way to the river Ganges, which flows through the territories of India". British scholars and also officers compared the Jats' warrior character with that of the Kentish men as well as their traditional laws, for instance, the double heritage part for the youngest son, still practised among Indian Jats. An accurate research about this people which takes account of all the relevant characteristics of their ethnicity reveals that they are among the purest Sarmatic tribes existing today. See map of the Indus valley peoples.




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