Bhai Sidtharath
Hamari likhi huye- padhi huye history hi wrong ho jayagi.
Salkalayan- TOMAR gotra ki hi branch hae.
Delhi mae jab Anangpal Tomar ka raj chala gaya tha.
uskay hi parivar mae Salkalayan Tomar sy 84 Gaon ki Desh khap hae.
Kastu jatram- Kasuta kam
cheers
http://www.jatland.com/home/Tomar
Jay Jawan Jay Kisan Jay Shaheed
Bhai Siddharth, Iss Landhan aale tau ki baat ghanth bandh liye, arr haan NCERT ki kitabon mein Jat history naa doondiye, beej bhi naa pawe!
Cheers!
Last edited by spdeshwal; June 19th, 2007 at 02:03 AM.
Nue te theek kaho ho Deshwal ji ... London mein hote hue bhi apni community ke liye itna karna koe mamuli aadmi ke bas ki baat na hai ... DharamPal Ji is a treasure of jat history... kite te kime boojh lyo sab kanthasth haiOriginally Posted by spdeshwal
DEAR JITENDER & DESWAL SAHIB
Ham to sabhi jat bhaio ko yahi kahate han ki.
Get your facts & figure right Panchayat mae
public mae bolane sy pahle.
Lekin kaye bar yah kahna bhi panga
Jatoo ky sath panga van jata hae.
Dusri bat apne roots sy juda rahna chahiye
yun to sara visav hi apna ghar hae
Karam Chetra hae- KaramBhumi hae
Parntu Apnoo ki Baat hi Kuch aur hoti hae.
Hamara Net-work to pahle bhi tha
inter-net ky bina bhi- aur abhi bhi hae
Hamare Gaon Ka Hari Singh NZLAND mae hae
Kuldeep Ahlawat- Bhabhewe ka abhi
London aaya hae.
Azad Singh Deswal- Apne bade ladke
Ajit ki shadi Delhi karke- London aaya hae.
TOMAR-Salkalayan - Sabhi Gotaro ki History to
abhi 5-7 yrs pahle hi likhi hae -Sabhi yad hae
Jat college ka hockey ka player- Hawa Singh Tomar
RTD Headmaster- GUDHAN ka Dadri mae rahta hae
.USA- UK- India mae 100 Tomars ko janta hun
Anangpal Tomar ny- Apne nati- Sanakpal ko
GORAD ki jagir dae thi- usky vad Gorad- Samchana
sy Sanakpal ki Aulad- Barot- Baoli- UP mae jakar
84 Gaon ki Desh khap hae.
Sanakpal sy Salkalayan Tomar KAHLAYE- YAHI HISTORY HAE
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Jay Jawan Jay Kisan Jay Shaheed
bhai hooda sahbNue te theek kaho ho Deshwal ji ... London mein hote hue bhi apni community ke liye itna karna koe mamuli aadmi ke bas ki baat na hai ... DharamPal Ji is a treasure of jat history... kite te kime boojh lyo sab kanthasth hai
aap logon ka raj sse. aur bhagwan kare ye chalta hi rahe. aur bhai CM te bhi upper badho.
even I'm surprised with this man. history in poetic style! even in this age who's blood boils for Jat.
Tomer is title but the basic got is Salkalayan. Similarly as nearby over there Mallik is title but basic got is Gathwal.
chol (chahal), cher (chahar/chahr), kadyanvas/kadambas, pallavs, gautami putra satkarni (some budhist jat) and salkalayan there apear togather, in south india's history. there were kingdoms like kang-naidu, aila-naidu (ahlawat jats), bana-naidu etc. over there. anmed after kang, ahlawat and bana jats. Many Jats migrated towards east and south India before and after Maurya empire. They continued to teach agriculture and some material culture (like ring well etc.) there in budhist and brahmins form.
Last edited by kasutajatram; June 19th, 2007 at 01:17 PM.
Dear and Respected Dudee Uncle,
What I was once told about the Salklyans (Slaklyan Tomar) Is that There was a Raja Salakpal.. Whose decedents, came to be known as salklyans. The village called Kishanpur-Biral, on the Delhi-Shamli highway was the home of Raja Salakpal, and as a matter of fact, in the year 1981, Ch. Satyapal Malik, (later MP and Union Minister) made a presence at an occasion in the village to mark the birth anniversary of the Raja against the ex PM Ch Charan Singh.
There is an another branch, Hun Tomars, who are in the opposite village, Kasimpur-Kheri, on the same road don't say themselves to have come from Salakpal. Now, Huns again have got a strong animosity with Jats and vice versa in the history. What then is the rationale of Tomars being Huns?
Please help!
Regards,
Sam.
Mere vichar se salkalayan is older than tomer.
Last edited by kasutajatram; June 19th, 2007 at 01:11 PM.
Hi Samiksha,
The Jat Historian Hukum Singh Pauria writes that Huns were also Aryans and some of them were absorbed in Jats. Hun Tomar may be some of them.
Laxman Burdak
here is the map of Gupta empire from my history text book of 11th class NCERT, pg 182, by R S Sharma. It mentions certain dynasties of south and central India outside Gupta empire. Salaklayanas are also mentioned in it. That means till about 1500 years back the name was Salkalayan. Even today in marriages they pronounce it as Salkalayan and not Tomers.
Mentioned with Salakalayan are Kadamb (Kadamb/Kadyan Jats), Vakataka (Kalakil Jats, Chandragupta Vikramadityas daughter was married to Vakataka prince and at the time of marriage vakataka prince pronounced his got as Kalkil, it was nown as vindhya shakti vakataka kalkila), Gangas (Gangas Jats), Pallavas (Pahl/Payl Jats of Bulandshahar), Pandyas (Padha/Pandha Jats) etc. Guptas themselves Dharan Jats and earlier Jat rulers like More/Nandal etc. took all other Jats in south to expand agriculture and material culture there along with encouraging brahminism or budhism. Though history by mistake or otherwise recognised them either as Brahman rulers or is just silent about them but they were Jats. South indian brahmins and some other castes in south are originally from predominantly Jat stock.
Last edited by kasutajatram; June 19th, 2007 at 08:53 PM.
Could you please read the information give on wikipedia about jats connection with Tomars. Who is the one putting wrong information about Jats and Tomars. Can somebody change this information on wikipedia.
Demography of Tomar/ Tanwar Rajputs in India
Tomars are found in Western UP, Rajasthan,Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and Haryana states of modern India. Toors are not Tomar, Tomar is recognised Dynasty not toors. in Tomar Rajput Vanshavali Toors are not defined anywhere. Tomar are related dynasty to Pandavas of Mahabharat well nown as Bharatvanshi.. Jats are also not related in any ways to Tomar Rajput, They were only Faithful Sevak of Tomars and serviced to Tomar Dynasty for a long Time . In actual There is no Tomar Vanshavallis says any connection with Jats to Tomars. Jats are non recognized caste in rulers and Dynasties of India. Tomars Certified History is Available completely at Gwalior and Morena Bhind Districts of Madhya Pradesh. With Govt. also Local Inhabitants of Chambal. Majority of Tomars is presently at Morena District of Madhya Pradesh. When Anang Pal Singh left Delhi After ruling of Prithvi Raj Chauhan at Delhi came reach, after a long travel of North India at "Aisah" situated at Morena District. Anang Pal Singh Tomar Built a fort at Aisah and declared his ruling capital this place. All Documentary Proofs and fort available here. Rajput Vanshavali of Tomars also proves it. there are more than 1400 villages at Morena District of Tomars in its Ambah and Porsa Tehsil some at Morena Tehsil (Acording to present Revenue Map) also 150 Villages at Gohad Tehsil in Bhind District of Chambal. Very well known Indian Freedom Fighter Late. Ramprsad Bismil was also borned in Tomars Family at Village Barvai in Morena District. The Kakanmath is Famous Temple of God Shiva ws also built by Tomar rulers situated at " Singhyonia" at Morena District. After some time Tomars were Rebuilt Gwalior Fort and ruled at Gwalior and further India.The great proof of Tomar ruler. It is objectional some body is miscocieving history of great Tomar rulers Last Hindu Dynasty of India.
To confirm please click on the hyperlink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomara
Thanks
Sanjeev
Dear Samiksha
Thank you for your interest and output.
This is Tomar/Salkalayan history written by Jat historian.
I have a friend in London his mother is Tomar from Kishanpur Bral.
I also know master Surender Singh Tomar of same village has interst in Jat history. I talk with Tomar from Baoli-Kashimpur kheri- Bamnoli and others. they all telling same story from sanakpal tomar.
I also heard same story in childhood from great Tomar poet Prithavi Singh Baedhadak Sikhopur.
We will find out about Hun Tomar soon.
I know Satyapal Malik MPEX Minister. I went to met CH. Charan Singh twice at Tuglak RD and he was sitting with Chaudhry Sahib both time.
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20500
Bhaio Jats ki Likhi huye history padho. net per kuch nahi milega
Hamari likhi huye- padhi huye history hi wrong ho jayagi.
Salkalayan- TOMAR gotra ki hi branch hae.
Delhi mae jab Anangpal Tomar ka raj chala gaya tha.
usi ky hi parivar mae Salakpal Tomar sy 84 Gaon ki Desh khap hae.
Bhend Tanwar/Tomar sahit 10 Branch han Tomar Gotra ki
http://www.jatland.com/home/Tomar
Jay Jawan Jay Kisan Jay Shaheed
ek wa R S Joon hande tha noon majra ka chandni chowk me, ek danda liye in 1947. us tte ekk ber kisi nne bujhi ukk tuu nuu bata ukk gupta kukkar jat the? aa bolya ukk mhare bade-budye batate aa rahe ssen.
Jats had the long memories but little sense of history.
NCERT tinka chhupa sakti hai pahad nahin.
naam to saare Jat got ke se lagte hain per ye unhen Jat kyon nahin likh rahe hain?
Last edited by kasutajatram; June 21st, 2007 at 06:26 AM.
However, I'm supporting here indirectly great man Dudiji only. Like R S Joon was a simple non historian army man but what he said about Guptas came true. Similarly what our elder people say comparing that with one presently in text books, the real and authentic history can be churned out. the facts may be little twisted in ancestral saying or in text books but the basic and most of them are same.
Respected Dharampal Ji/Deshwal Sahib..
My sincere regards to you.
Every body counts their Gotra's Sirname......
Please tell me How big "Balhara" Gotraa in Haryana.
B.E. (computer Science & Engineering) in 2003
MBA (IT) in 2010
Please read about Balhara here
http://www.jatland.com/home/Balhara
Regards,
Laxman Burdak
Thanks Lakshman
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MBA (IT) in 2010
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