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    Nathu Ram Godse's Speech At The Trial

    NATHU RAM GODSE'S SPEECH AT THE TRIAL



    Nathuram Godse's speech at trial .. DO read it fully
    Full text of Godse's speech at his trial.....

    " On January 13, 1948, I learnt that Gandhiji had decided to go on fast unto
    death. The reason given was that he wanted an assurance of Hindu-Muslim
    Unity... But I and many others could easily see that the real motive...
    [was] to compel the Dominion Government to pay the sum of Rs 55 crores to
    Pakistan, the payment of which was emphatically refused by the
    Government.... But this decision of the people's Government was reversed to
    suit the tune of Gandhiji's fast. It was evident to my mind that the force
    of public opinion was nothing but a trifle when compared with the leanings
    of Gandhiji favourable to Pakistan.

    ....In 1946 or thereabout, Muslim atrocities perpetrated on Hindus under the
    Government patronage of Surhawardy in Noakhali made our blood boil. Our
    shame and indignation knew no bounds when we saw that Gandhiji had come
    forward to shield that very Surhawardy and began to style him as 'Shaheed
    Saheb' - a martyr - even in his prayer meetings...

    ....Gandhiji's influence in the Congress first increased and then became
    supreme. His activities for public awakening were phenomenal in their
    intensity and were reinforced by the slogans of truth and non-violence which
    he ostentatiously paraded before the country... I could never conceive that
    an armed resistance to the aggressor is unjust... Ram killed Ravan in a
    tumultuous fight... Krishna killed Kansa to end his wickedness... In
    condemning Shivaji, Rana Pratap and Guru Govind as 'misguided patriots,'
    Gandhiji has merely exposed his self-conceit... Gandhiji was, paradoxically,
    a violent pacifist who brought untold calamities on the country in the name
    of truth and nonviolence, while Rana Pratap, Shivaji and the Guru will
    remain enshrined in the hearts of their countrymen forever...

    ....By 1919, Gandhiji had become desperate in his endeavours to get the
    Muslims to trust him and went from one absurd promise to another... He
    backed the Khilafat movement in this country and was able to enlist the full
    support of the National Congress in that policy... very soon the Moplah
    Rebellion showed that the Muslims had not the slightest idea of national
    unity... There followed a huge slaughter of Hindus... The British
    Government, entirely unmoved by the rebellion, suppressed it in a few months
    and left to Gandhiji the joy of his Hindu-Muslim Unity... British
    Imperialism emerged stronger, the Muslims became more fanatical, and the
    consequences were visited on the Hindus...

    The accumulating provocation of 32 years, culminating in his last pro-Muslim
    fast, at last goaded me to the conclusion that the existence of Gandhiji
    should be brought to an end immediately... he developed a subjective
    mentality under which he alone was the final judge of what was right or
    wrong... Either Congress had to surrender its will to him and play second
    fiddle to all his eccentricity, whimsicality... or it had to carry on
    without him... He was the master brain guiding the civil disobedience
    movement... The movement may succeed or fail; it may bring untold disasters
    and political reverses, but that could make no difference to the Mahatma's
    infallibility... These childish inanities and obstinacies, coupled with a
    most severe austerity of life, ceaseless work and lofty character, made
    Gandhiji formidable and irresistible... In a position of such absolute
    irresponsibility, Gandhiji was guilty of blunder after blunder...

    ....The Mahatma even supported the separation of Sindh from the Bombay
    Presidency and threw the Hindus of Sindh to the communal wolves. Numerous
    riots took place in Karachi, Sukkur, Shikarpur and other places in which the
    Hindus were the only sufferers...

    ....From August 1946 onwards, the private armies of the Muslim League began
    a massacre of the Hindus... Hindu blood began to flow from Bengal to Karachi
    with mild reactions in the Deccan... The Interim government formed in
    September was sabotaged by its Muslim League members, but the more they
    became disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they were a part,
    the greater was Gandhi's infatuation for them...

    ....The Congress, which had boasted of its nationalism and socialism,
    secretly accepted Pakistan and abjectly surrendered to Jinnah. India was
    vivisected and one-third of the Indian territory became foreign land to
    us... This is what Gandhiji had achieved after 30 years of undisputed
    dictatorship, and this is what Congress party calls 'freedom'...

    ....One of the conditions imposed by Gandhiji for his breaking of the fast
    unto death related to the mosques in Delhi occupied by Hindu refugees. But
    when Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much
    as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan government...

    Gandhi is being referred to as the Father of the Nation. But if that is so,
    he had failed his paternal duty inasmuch as he has acted very treacherously
    to the nation by his consenting to the partitioning of it... The people of
    this country were eager and vehement in their opposition to Pakistan. But
    Gandhiji played false with the people...

    ....I shall be totally ruined, and the only thing I could expect from the
    people would be nothing but hatred... if I were to kill Gandhiji. But at the
    same time, I felt that Indian politics in the absence of Gandhiji would
    surely be proved practical, able to retaliate, and be powerful with armed
    forces. No doubt, my own future would be totally ruined, but the nation
    would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan...

    ....I do say that my shots were fired at the person whose policy and action
    had brought rack and ruin and destruction to millions of Hindus... There was
    no legal machinery by which such an offender could be brought to book, and
    for this reason I fired those fatal shots...

    ....I do not desire any mercy to be shown to me... I did fire shots at
    Gandhiji in open daylight. I did not make any attempt to run away; in fact I
    never entertained any idea of running away. I did not try to shoot myself...
    for, it was my ardent desire to give vent to my thoughts in an open Court.
    My confidence about the moral side of my action has not been shaken even by
    the criticism levelled of against it on all sides. I have no doubt, honest
    writers of history will weigh my act and find the true value thereof some
    day in future. "
    GJ
    "Jindagi Jindadili Ka Naam Hain"

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    I wonder what M.K. Gandhi's attitude to Kashmir problem would have been ? I am sure, if remained alive, he would have gone on another fast to force Indian Government to give it to Pakistan !!
    JAT - Justice And Truth

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    aur kuch ho na ho, Godse kee angrezee to bahoot sahee thee

    _(~)_

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    To Know More About Godse

    While, I am not in favor of Mr. Godse and don't condemn the entire work done by Mr. Gandhi, what Godse has said does have merit. The book "The man who killed Gandhi" by Lt. Col. Manohar Malgaonkar, gives day by day account of the history, the plan and execution of Gandhiji's assassination.

    The book was banned in India, but I was able to get a copy in 1979 in Allahabad. It makes an interesting reading. Also, people interested in Indian history of independence/partition, may like to read the book titled "Facts are facts: untold story of India's partition" by Khan Wali Khan- Leader of opposition in Mr. Bhutto's time and son of Frontier Gandhi. This book does not make an interesting reading but is based on the facts and reproduces the despatches the governor general of India had sent to Britain during that time.

    Mr. Nathuram Godse, had visited Noakhali with Mr. Gandhi. He was against the partition of the country and thought that Mr. Gandhi was responsible for India's partition.

    I agree with Mr. Godse on one account, that Mr. Gandhi did act in a dictatorial manner many times, taking advantage of his popularity and ignoring the decisions of members of congress. The one example was his threat of resigining from Congress after Netaji's election as congress president against Mr. Gandhi's candidate. This led to Netaji leaving the congress and forming Republican Party.

    All said and done. We really can't forget contribution of Mr. Gandhi for our independence. Every person have some weaknesses and Mr. Gandhi was no exception. He did do a great job of uniting the entire nation even at the cost of apeasing a particular community. Usually, the big brother has to forgo a lot to keep the younger brother happy and keep the family united. Probably that is what Mr. Gandhi's opinion was. It is difficult to justify or condemn their decision at this time, we can only analyze those.

    Mr. Godsy had no links with then Jansangh or RSS, but he used RSS dress to hide his pistol to enter the Birla Mandir. His wearing RSS dress was cashed politically by Congress and Jansangh party probably paid the heavy price of Mr. Godse's selection of his dress on the faithfull day.
    Col (Retd) Virendra Tavathia


    "A person should not be judged by the nature of his/her job, but the manner in which he/she does that".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ganeshjat
    NATHU RAM GODSE'S SPEECH AT THE TRIAL



    Nathuram Godse's speech at trial .. DO read it fully
    Full text of Godse's speech at his trial.....

    " On January 13, 1948, I learnt that Gandhiji .....
    ................the criticism levelled of against it on all sides. I have no doubt, honest
    writers of history will weigh my act and find the true value thereof some
    day in future. "
    Just for my information, what is the source of this speach of Godse ? Is it recorded some where in the records of court proceedings ?

    RK^2

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    Angry Oh, so he made a mistake from weaknesses???

    Quote Originally Posted by raj2rif
    All said and done. We really can't forget contribution of Mr. Gandhi for our independence. Every person have some weaknesses and Mr. Gandhi was no exception. It is difficult to justify or condemn their decision at this time, we can only analyze those.
    ...Too costly a 'weakness' when it comes to the Future of a Nation! Normal men can maybe afford to make mistakes but when you are someone who is actually responsible for signing a bleak future of lakhs of countrymen....I am sorry, but that is sacrilegious and nothing short of a horrible and gross mistake that will continue to haunt the two nations and it's countrymen forever!!!
    Last edited by shailendra; February 4th, 2005 at 09:42 PM.
    ...Wouldn't follow the trodden path, but shall leave a blazing trail!!!...

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    Everything is in court records.
    "What remains of Nathuram Godse is the statement he gave in his own defence during the trial, on 8 November 1948. After the statement was read in court, its publication was prohibited. However, after the release of Godse’s accomplices from prison in the 1960s, translations in Indian languages started appearing, and in 1977, Nathuram’s brother Gopal published the English original under the cautious title May it Please your Honour. A new edition, with a long epilogue by Gopal on the background and the events in prison, was published in 1993 under the more revealing title. Why I assassinated Mahatma Gandhi.

    "Justice Gopal Das Khosla, one of Godse’s judges, and whose sympathies were certainly not with "Hindu communalism", has left us this impression: "The audience was visibly and audibly moved. There was a deep silence when he ceased speaking. Many women were in tears and men were coughing and searching for their handkerchiefs…. I have, however, no doubt that had the audience on that day been constituted into a jury and entrusted with the task of deciding Godse’s appeal, they would have brought in a verdict of ‘not guilty’ by an overwhelming majority."

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    Dear Friends,

    I have been able to get the whole text of the speech by Godse on following link;

    http://library.thinkquest.org/26523/...s/nathuram.htm

    Assuming that this is the correct version of his speech, I have the following comments to offer;

    1. If one read Hitler, he was more than convincing on the killing of jews.
    2. If one looks at each and every event of Ramayana and the actions of Rama and Ravan, one can easily argue the actions of Ravan better than those of Rama. One can easily argue that Ravan did nothing wrong in taking away Sita as Lakshman humliated and cut the nose of his sister Supnakha.
    3. Lergally speaking Duryodhan did not do anything wrong as his father was the elder brother and legally he was the heir to the throne. Then why everone talks of him being evil?

    In history one can extend logics to win the popular opinon. Every killer has a logic in his head to kill some one and that does not mean he is right. All terrorists operating in Kashmir have very convincing logics to kill innocent people..I would call it bankrupcy of thoughts when one submits to the logic of a killer. May I ask where these Godse and his alike were sleeping when British were running the show in India ? How many times Godse and his alike came out in open and fought against British?

    To best of my knowledge Gandhi never said anything against Rama, krishna and their methods of wars. Had that been the case, Gandhi would have never popularised the famous bhajan, " Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram..." Ganhdi was a strong advocate of the preachings of Geeta.

    Condemming great people like Gandhi has always been a well known tool of demoralising the people of a country. British used it in calling our freedom fighters as mutiners. Muslims condemmed our Gods and our great heros.. BJP and their branches like Hindu Maha Sabha, RSS etc have been using the same method in painting Gandhi black. Gandhi was not the only great leader who was killed. There have been many great leaders in history were killed by some idiots who had one sided extreme views.

    Gandhi was the greatest leader ever born in last 1000 years in India and he would remain so till we have some one of his level..Godse was nothing but an exteremist like one of those who are on killing spree every where..

    Let us not glorify the extremists/ terrorists like Godse...They are shame on humanity and on nation..

    Rajendra
    Last edited by rkumar; February 4th, 2005 at 10:12 PM.

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    Gandhi & Godse

    (I received this by email some months ago. It is interesting).

    GANDHI & GODSE. 5 FACTS YOU NEEDED TO KNOW ...


    1. Yeah ... so this Gandhi bloke. Know the name. Heard of the film ...
    So, who has he?


    Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was born on 2nd October 1869 in Porbandar, Gujarat. He was married at age thirteen to Kasturbai. At age eighteen, he set sail for England to study Law. After passing his exams, he practiced Law in Pretoria, South Africa.
    There, he was involved in a famous incident on a train, where a white man wanted him out of a particular carriage, but Gandhi stood his ground. He was forcibly thrown out. After that incident, he became a champion of Human Rights for Indians - and returned to a hero's welcome in his Native India.

    2. The whole Indian Independence thing ... what happened then?

    Gandhi became a household name, and a thorn in the side of the British. He was jailed on numerous occasions as the British feared his popularity could spark nationwide anti-British protests/riots.
    Gandhi's core doctrines were:
    1. "ahimsa" or non-violence
    2. the 'brotherhood' of Hindus and Muslims, who according to him were one and them same(?!).
    Most famously, in 1930, Gandhi marched 240 miles upto the coastal shores of Gujarat in Dandi to protest against the British for not allowing Indians to make their own salt. Again, he was arrested for this and gained much iconic popularity.

    3. Godse ... never heard of him.
    So who has he?


    NathuRam Godse was born on 19th May 1910 in Poona, Maharashtra. Godse was born into a pious family of Brahmin caste. NathuRam was known for his social work with (so-called) 'untouchable' castes, and during the tragic times of the partition in 1947, he aided many Hindu and Sikh refugees who had been victims of horrific injuries and rapes etc.

    4. So what did Godse do then?

    Godse will go down in history as the man who assassinated Gandhi at point blank rage on 30th January, 1948.

    5. Why did he do it?

    Gandhi, despite all the love and attention heaped on him by many, remained a power-hungry, extreme left-ist who was happy to put the needs of Hindus second to the appeasing of the Muslim minorities.

    In the late 1930's, Gandhi was defeated by one Subhash Chander Bose in a Congress leadership election. Bose was renowned for his hatred of the British and his willingness to take up arms in the endeavour of Indian Independence. This conflicted with Gandhi's doctrine of non-violence. So, Gandhi went on a hunger strike against Bose's legitimate victory, and caused a rift in the Indian National Congress forcing other senior leaders like Nehru to not back Bose.

    In 1940, a Sikh by the name of Udham Singh travelled to England and assassinated Sir Michael O Dwyer. O Dwyer was the man who gave the go-ahead for the firing of innocents in the massacre of Jallianwala Bagh in Amritsar, Punjab back in 1919. This brutal attack took place on Vasakhi - a religious day for the Sikhs, and a state-wide holiday for all Punjabis. Upto a thousand men, women and children were gunned down in cold blood.
    Udham Singh waited twenty years to exact revenge for this terrible scar. After having assassinated O Dwyer, what did Gandhi do?
    Gandhi wrote a letter of apology to the British!!!

    And finally, during the tragic times of Partition, Gandhi went on a hunger strike because of the violence inflicted on Muslims by Hindus and Sikhs in the Punjab. The fact that brutalities had been meted out to Hindus in other states like Bengal at the behest of his Muslim League cronies was of little or no significance.
    Gandhi went on a hunger-strike and proposed that FIFTY-FIVE CRORE RUPEES (that's Ł68million in today's value - imagine how much it would have been 56 years ago) BE GIVEN TO PAKISTAN AS "GOODWILL" MONEY.

    This was the final insult, and Godse felt that Gandhi's life had to be ended as this man who was so warped in his extreme left-ist ideals, would be the death of hindu pride or the concept of a hindu nation.

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    Red face Oye yaar not again!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar
    Dear Friends,

    Gandhi was the greatest leader ever born in last 1000 years in India and he would remain so till we have some one of his level..

    Rajendra
    Oh Phuleeeseeee!!!
    Let's not start this debate again, probably if anything one can go and refresh the memory form those other past related strings...

    This debate about Gandhi is becoming so overated!!!

    Mr. Khalkhundeji tell you what; if you are one of those that has a portrait of Gandhi on the wall of the bedroom and bow to his 'greatness' every morning; you are obvioulsy a great fan and devotee....and really I admire that and have no argument to give for someone who is apparently so enamored with that public figure. But then if the devotion never has reached that kind of level :rolleyes: - then maybe... you should really consider resting your case on this one; apparently everyone (going by this thread at least) is quite clear where the 'Mahatma' stands on being the greatest leader born in the last 1000 years in India...
    ...Wouldn't follow the trodden path, but shall leave a blazing trail!!!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shailendra
    Oh Phuleeeseeee!!!
    Let's not start this debate again, probably if anything one can go and refresh the memory form those other past related strings...

    This debate about Gandhi is becoming so overated!!!

    Mr. Khalkhundeji tell you what; if you are one of those that has a portrait of Gandhi on the wall of the bedroom and bow to his 'greatness' every morning; you are obvioulsy a great fan and devotee....and really I admire that and have no argument to give for someone who is apparently so enamored with that public figure. But then if the devotion never has reached that kind of level :rolleyes: - then maybe... you should really consider resting your case on this one; apparently everyone (going by this thread at least) is quite clear where the 'Mahatma' stands on being the greatest leader born in the last 1000 years in India...
    I know values of leaders change with time like stocks in share market..I won't be surprised if Statues of people like Godse come up in few years like those of Ambedkar in a big way.....Those who left hinduism and converted to islam and other religions call even Rama and Krishna also useless....Don't tell me that Godse stands taller than Mahatma Gandhi.....who knows that day also might come when Godse is called father of nation....

    RK^2

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    While I have no doubt that Mr. Gandhi did a great job of uniting the national politicians on one plateform and provided the much needed leadership and a new weapon of Ahinsa, which probably surprised Britishs, as they never faced such a weapon. Mr. Gandhi himself had acted on many occassions with the attitude of either "MY WAY OR NO WAY".

    Probably the civil disobedience movement was some thing Britishers were not trained to counter and that is why it succeeded. At the end of the day, it is only success that matters. So, I find no reason to condemn Mr. Gandhi's achievement, for they were extremely valuable and difficult to achieve. At the same time, I find no reason, for not pointing out any mistakes that he committed, and some of them extremely costly as Mr. Shailendra has mentioned. After all Mr. Gandhi was a human being too. There is nothing wrong in calling him father of nation, because he did a lot for the country. If he failed on some account some times, then that is natural. Don't we fail as father some time in our own small family. It is difficult to keep every one in such a large population happy.

    Godse's reasoning to kill Gandhi was justified in his mind and that is why he did it. What is mentioned in the above speech is naturally convincing and is backed by facts. So there is no dispute on that issue as well. Surely, Godse can never take the place of Mr. Gandhi, for his act was a negative in nature. If he felt so strong against Gandhi, it would have been better for him to mobalize public and convince them to get away from Gandhi. I am sure he could have prepared such speech for the public with Gandhi still alive. He also had the plateform to air his views, for he himself was the editor of the newspaper.

    A lot can be written on this subject and a lot has already been written. I think the need of the hour is to analyze both the ideologies and ascertain as to what would have been better for the country. The lesson should be that we should not repeat those mistakes which Mr. Gandhi or Mr. Godse did.
    Col (Retd) Virendra Tavathia


    "A person should not be judged by the nature of his/her job, but the manner in which he/she does that".

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    Totally agree with you Tavathia Sahab...

    Rajendra

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    Dear Sir,

    I wonder these are the comments of an Army personnel, I personally think we could have got independence much earlier had we adopted the path of Mr. Bose or extremists like Bhagat Singh. To me Ahimsa is no weapon, just a euphemism of cowardliness. This is all because of the attitude gifted to us by Gandhi et al. that we still arent ready to face n solve problems, have 'chalta hai' attitude, no courage no pride and most importantly we dont understand the meaning of 'freedom', because we never actually fought for that ..i would even say our so called 'freedom' from british rule was a gift of Hitler..no credits to Gandhi or ahimsa !!!,

    Still, one good thing that Gandhi actually did was to unite the people, but he never could motivate the mass to fight for freedom, It might seem strange, but congress demanded for swaraj only in late 30s...

    --
    Abhishek








    Quote Originally Posted by raj2rif
    While I have no doubt that Mr. Gandhi did a great job of uniting the national politicians on one plateform and provided the much needed leadership and a new weapon of Ahinsa, which probably surprised Britishs, as they never faced such a weapon.
    ".....I wondered why somebody didn't do something; then i realized that i was somebody....."
    Abhishek Dhanda

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    Quote Originally Posted by adhanda
    Dear Sir,

    I wonder these are the comments of an Army personnel, I personally think we could have got independence much earlier had we adopted the path of Mr. Bose or extremists like Bhagat Singh. To me Ahimsa is no weapon, just a euphemism of cowardliness. This is all because of the attitude gifted to us by Gandhi et al. that we still arent ready to face n solve problems, have 'chalta hai' attitude, no courage no pride and most importantly we dont understand the meaning of 'freedom', because we never actually fought for that ..i would even say our so called 'freedom' from british rule was a gift of Hitler..no credits to Gandhi or ahimsa !!!,

    Still, one good thing that Gandhi actually did was to unite the people, but he never could motivate the mass to fight for freedom, It might seem strange, but congress demanded for swaraj only in late 30s...

    --
    Abhishek
    Dear Abhishek,

    Being an army personal does not mean the meaning of any thing changes. It is not a cult. Actually a cult always gets you on the wrong side of logic. No one gives you freedom in gift. One has to fight for it and Gandhi Ji and Congress did that, let us not neglect that fact.
    Hitler was defeated in 1945 and we got freedom in 1947. Hitler's actions have no bearing whatsoever on India's freedom. That is an argument propogated who don't see any thing right in what Gandhi did. As has been mentioned earlier, Gandhi did make some mistakes and few of them costly one, but that should not take away the credit for what he did for our nation and human race. There is a difference in being decent and coward. In civilized world the war should only be the last mean to achieve peace. How many nations have got freedom by fighting alone? Palestanians are fighting for over half century with best possible support an armed struggle can get, including the UN plateform. How come they have not got it so far. Compare this to what resources India had to fight at that time and against which army.
    Discussing fighting may be some thing and doing it on ground is a whole diffrent ball game. Ask the person who has actually fought, what it takes to sustain a long struggle. I am not saying that fighting should never be resorted to, but it should not be the first thing to do.
    Majority of people don't want to leave their air conditioned rooms to go and vote for it causes physical discomfort for a few hours, and then they curse the politicians for what ever they do. Here is a man, who was a barrister and could haves lived a lavish life, he gave up that life and lived a simple life, united the country and fought for independence. How many of us can actually do that?
    I would say, what Netaji did was also good and what Gandhi did was also good. Every thing contributed to India's freedom, that we enjoy today. If a child is locked for few hours he cries. Here these people were in jails for months and years, and we say that they did not fight for freedom. I don't think that is right.
    Col (Retd) Virendra Tavathia


    "A person should not be judged by the nature of his/her job, but the manner in which he/she does that".

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    Quote Originally Posted by adhanda
    Dear Sir,

    I wonder these are the comments of an Army personnel, I personally think we could have got independence much earlier had we adopted the path of Mr. Bose or extremists like Bhagat Singh. To me Ahimsa is no weapon, just a euphemism of cowardliness. This is all because of the attitude gifted to us by Gandhi et al. that we still arent ready to face n solve problems, have 'chalta hai' attitude, no courage no pride and most importantly we dont understand the meaning of 'freedom', because we never actually fought for that ..i would even say our so called 'freedom' from british rule was a gift of Hitler..no credits to Gandhi or ahimsa !!!,

    Still, one good thing that Gandhi actually did was to unite the people, but he never could motivate the mass to fight for freedom, It might seem strange, but congress demanded for swaraj only in late 30s...

    --
    Abhishek
    Dear Abhishek,

    There are lots of violent groups in world who have been fighting for independent homeland for decades..I have not seen any one of them getting success. Lal Denga from Mizoram who fought for many many years once told Punjab millitants about the futility of violence. People of India had all the freedom to choose the path of Bose or Bhagat Singh. As far as I know, no one prevented people to choose path A or path B. It was the collective wisdom of people that they approved the path choosen by Gandhi ji and extended their whole hearted support to him..Finally the taste of pudding is in eating...We got freedom and that proved the point..If and buts don't carry any meaning in history...facts speak louder than ifs and buts..

    Rajendra

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    Some important fact about Gandhi ,Geeta and Godse (GGG)

    Mahatma Gandhi first read the Geeta at the age of 20 and it made a deep impression upon him. He quoted it often and used it in his daily prayers. It served as a guiding spirit throughout his life. The Geeta taught him the philosophy of karma, or action. He learnt from it that one must do one’s dharma or the right course regardless of the consequences of one’s actions. He learnt from it to pursue satyagraha or the path of truthfulness - inaction was not an option.
    A question frequently asked is how Gandhi reconciled his message of non-violence with Krishna’s message to Arjun to pick up arms and kill those whom he was reluctant to kill?

    While Gandhi’s fascination with Geeta is well-known, a lesser known fact is that his assassin, Nathu Ram Godse, too claimed to get his inspiration from the very same scripture. He said in his statement at his murder trial that he was an admirer of Gandhi and indeed revered him as a Mahatma. Gandhi was to him what Dronacharya, Arjun’s guru, was to Arjun. Arjun revered Dronacharya, Bheesham Pitamah and other elders who were in the enemy camp, whom he was required to kill in the battlefield and the thought of killing whom was the reason of his despair and his pangs of conscience. Godse, indeed, bowed before Gandhi in reverence before he shot him to death, just as Arjun showed reverence to Bheesham Pitamah while he pierced him with his arrows.

    Godse believed that Gandhi was responsible for the vivisection of his beloved motherland, had betrayed the Hindu nation and was the cause of the loss of life and honour of millions. Therefore, he deserved to die. There was no joy in this task for Godse. In killing Gandhi, he was just fulfilling what he believed to be his dharma. In his mind, he was following the same course of action that Krishna had asked Arjun to follow in the Geeta. Having accepted the role of the assassin, he did not let his personal feelings for Gandhi prevent him from carrying out his “dharma”.

    So, who was following the message of Geeta in the true sense? Gandhi, Godse or both? If both, should holy scriptures play a role in morality?






    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar
    Dear Friends,

    To best of my knowledge Gandhi never said anything against Rama, krishna and their methods of wars. Had that been the case, Gandhi would have never popularised the famous bhajan, " Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram..." Ganhdi was a strong advocate of the preachings of Geeta.

    Rajendra
    GJ
    "Jindagi Jindadili Ka Naam Hain"

  24. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by ganeshjat
    Some important fact about Gandhi ,Geeta and Godse (GGG)

    Mahatma Gandhi first read the Geeta at the age of 20 and it made a deep impression upon him. He quoted it often and used it in his daily prayers. It served as a guiding spirit throughout his life. The Geeta taught him the philosophy of karma, or action. He learnt from it that one must do one’s dharma or the right course regardless of the consequences of one’s actions. He learnt from it to pursue satyagraha or the path of truthfulness - inaction was not an option.
    A question frequently asked is how Gandhi reconciled his message of non-violence with Krishna’s message to Arjun to pick up arms and kill those whom he was reluctant to kill?

    While Gandhi’s fascination with Geeta is well-known, a lesser known fact is that his assassin, Nathu Ram Godse, too claimed to get his inspiration from the very same scripture. He said in his statement at his murder trial that he was an admirer of Gandhi and indeed revered him as a Mahatma. Gandhi was to him what Dronacharya, Arjun’s guru, was to Arjun. Arjun revered Dronacharya, Bheesham Pitamah and other elders who were in the enemy camp, whom he was required to kill in the battlefield and the thought of killing whom was the reason of his despair and his pangs of conscience. Godse, indeed, bowed before Gandhi in reverence before he shot him to death, just as Arjun showed reverence to Bheesham Pitamah while he pierced him with his arrows.

    Godse believed that Gandhi was responsible for the vivisection of his beloved motherland, had betrayed the Hindu nation and was the cause of the loss of life and honour of millions. Therefore, he deserved to die. There was no joy in this task for Godse. In killing Gandhi, he was just fulfilling what he believed to be his dharma. In his mind, he was following the same course of action that Krishna had asked Arjun to follow in the Geeta. Having accepted the role of the assassin, he did not let his personal feelings for Gandhi prevent him from carrying out his “dharma”.

    So, who was following the message of Geeta in the true sense? Gandhi, Godse or both? If both, should holy scriptures play a role in morality?
    I am told, Bin Laden also got a copy of Geeta which he mastered word by word and always keeps with him..He makes it a point to hand over a copy to every recruit for his Holy Jihad. He has made it mandatory for every Al Qaida member to read it five times a day.
    By the way, why did it take so long for Godse to follow the teachings of Geeta ? If he was such a strong believer in the teachings of Geeta and killing as an answer, one would expect him to kill many of English officers and people like Jinnah also who were the main cause of all these problems ? Godse should have organised killing squads to eliminate all those who were the enemies of nation...

    Rajendra
    Last edited by rkumar; February 7th, 2005 at 07:38 PM.

  25. #19

    Red face Punjab kesri News???

    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar
    I am told, Bin Laden also got a copy of Geeta which he mastered word by word and always keeps with him..He makes it a point to hand over a copy to every recruit for his Holy Jihad. He has made it mandatory for every Al Qaida member to read it five times a day.

    Rajendra

    YOU ARE KIDDING...RIGHT??? I hope you know you are talking about a Muslim fanatic and his fanatic followers here. Isa hon lag gyaa tae saare muslamaan usne chod-chod ke bhajan laag jaange!!!
    ...Wouldn't follow the trodden path, but shall leave a blazing trail!!!...

  26. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar
    People of India had all the freedom to choose the path of Bose or Bhagat Singh. As far as I know, no one prevented people to choose path A or path B. It was the collective wisdom of people that they approved the path choosen by Gandhi ji and extended their whole hearted support to him..

    Rajendra
    RAM RAM

    Actually Rajendra Ji, this is not true. Bose defeated Gandhi fair and square in the All Indian Congress elections in the late 30's. Gandhi refused to accept this, and made it a case of "my way or no way at all". The likes of Nehru, Patel etc sensed a split in the congress and had to back Gandhi. The whole democratic process was undermined.

    And forget about the rest - ie, "people of India" ... we are Jats. Ahimsa is not a path for us. It may be OKay for Gujju bhais and Keralites, but not us!

    Regards, and RAM RAM.

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