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rkumar
June 21st, 2006, 01:25 AM
Dear Friends,

Here is another cruel story of a Jat girl from village. This girl topped CBSE, but was rejected by DPS for admission in XIth class just because girl could not speak English fluently.

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=DPS+turns+down+CBSE+topper&id=89295&category=National

What a shameful act by DPS. I am 100% sure that this girl will make it to the top in her life. Can we reach this girl and help her in whatever manner we can?

RK^2

birbal
June 21st, 2006, 04:22 AM
Rajendraji,

This case exposes something that is all too prevalent in India. It redefines merit on the basis of family background. I am sure this girl will overcome such discrimination but there are untold tens of thousands of victims whose aspirations are cut down even though they are fairly smart and committed. Essentially, a disadvantaged background makes underachievers out of lot of people.

It may be a good idea for the 'Jan Jagriti" people to get in touch with the girl and her family and see if something can be done. Of course, their consent is needed for any further action. My ideas include giving her opportunities of job shadowing (done in North America as part of finding real interests of a child), assisting in finding a real good coaching program etc. May be when you go to India soon, you try to meet the girl and her family and see what is needed including financial contributions from us Jatlanders.

dahiyarules
June 21st, 2006, 05:36 AM
I really agree with DPS. DPS is a premier institution with very high standards. It was for the girls own good that she did not get accepted, because she would ahve suffered a lot in an elite environment.

I went to DPS and I know what it is like to be in there. I always felt like an outsider. I can realte with the girl on a personal level.

ratananmol
June 21st, 2006, 08:48 AM
Sumit Daaki:
Welcome to the forum...i dont care if she could not join DPS; she should nevertheless receive our support in finding a suitable place for advancing her interests. I saw bright jat kids in my brief teaching stint who could not speak English at college level but they went on to perform well on all fronts.
As Prof. Singh has suggested that the girl be reached and the matter be discussed further. I think we have enough human resources on j-land to help her out...
BTW Sumit tera warning level kitna hai?...

rekharathee
June 21st, 2006, 11:35 AM
[quote=rkumar]Dear Friends,

Here is another cruel story of a Jat girl from village. This girl topped CBSE, but was rejected by DPS for admission in XIth class just because girl could not speak English fluently.

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=DPS+turns+down+CBSE+topper&id=89295&category=National

What a shameful act by DPS. I am 100% sure that this girl will make it to the top in her life. Can we reach this girl and help her in whatever manner we can?

RK^2[/quot

RK SIR,

As DPS advocated that the school has different criteria of admitting students and garima was not up to mark on their standards, it is not any cruelity, and now a days "the percentage of marks" is not the criteria of measuring how brilliant the student is? because every profession needs different type of personality profiles.

n as garima wants to be an IAS officer, it is not like that she wont be able to fulfill her dream if she wasnt able to get admitted in DPS, Yah school plays an important role in shaping up one's life, but it doesnt mean her career is lost, A lot depends on how keen the student is to achieve his/her goal
Garima's percentage shows that she is very hardworking and sincere student, May God fullfill her dreams

rkumar
June 21st, 2006, 12:37 PM
[quote=rkumar]Dear Friends,

Here is another cruel story of a Jat girl from village. This girl topped CBSE, but was rejected by DPS for admission in XIth class just because girl could not speak English fluently.

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=DPS+turns+down+CBSE+topper&id=89295&category=National

What a shameful act by DPS. I am 100% sure that this girl will make it to the top in her life. Can we reach this girl and help her in whatever manner we can?

RK^2[/quot

RK SIR,

...........now a days "the percentage of marks" is not the criteria of measuring how brilliant the student is? because every profession needs different type of personality profiles.



Honestly I am not that big fan of DPS or all these public schools, though both my daughters did their schooling from DPS RK Puram. No one can stop a determined person from achieving his/ her goals. My only contention is that a student should not have been rejected just for her lack of fluency in English. Schools should rather take such bright students and then help them develop their personality. Think of this girl some day making to IAS and having this bad feeling and acting against these schools? I wish that happens. We too got our education from rural schools and were very poor in English. UK, where English requirements were more stringent, did not reject me from admitting in 70s. They took extra classes in English and helped us improve. DPS has been nothing but arrogant in this case. We all know what all goes on in DPS and other such public schools. Public memory is still fresh about those Mobile videos... I Hope DPS won't say that they prepare boys and girls for Pornographic films as well...

RK^2

PS: By the way this is the latest on the subject. Delhi government has decided to take action against the school.

http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?template=Ndtvimpact&slug=Delhi+govt+to+take+action+against+DPS&id=19671&callid=0&category=National

RK^2

downtoearth
June 21st, 2006, 01:15 PM
[quote=rekharathee]

Honestly I am not that big fan of DPS or all these public schools, though both my daughters did their schooling from DPS RK Puram. No one can stop a determined person from achieving his/ her goals. My only contention is that a student should not have been rejected just for her lack of fluency in English. Schools should rather take such bright students and then help them develop their personality. Think of this girl some day making to IAS and having this bad feeling and acting against these schools? I wish that happens. We too got our education from rural schools and were very poor in English. UK, where English requirements were more stringent, did not reject me from admitting in 70s. They took extra classes in English and helped us improve. DPS has been nothing but arrogant in this case. We all know what all goes on in DPS and other such public schools. Public memory is still fresh about those Mobile videos... I Hope DPS won't say that they prepare boys and girls for Pornographic films as well...

RK^2 very true,,,, not denying d fact dat proper guidence is required for a bright future ,,,, i think a child wid such great capablities can study in any institute n still have a promising future ... being rejected by d.ps is not d end of life,,,,,but she should also get right kind of exposure ..............:) :) ....
well DPS is an institution to earn more n more money......:rolleyes: n d best way to maintain false standard of the parents as well as child....they take a child scoring above 90 n claim giving the good results......:( .they keep parents as well as d students in illusion dat they r d best n nobdy can outshine them.. schools are made to make an uncapable child capable .... ib saarey balak capable aawengey too school ka ke kaam reh jaga.......:cool: ........ ...

rekharathee
June 21st, 2006, 02:09 PM
[quote=rkumar][quote=rekharathee]

Honestly I am not that big fan of DPS or all these public schools, though both my daughters did their schooling from DPS RK Puram. No one can stop a determined person from achieving his/ her goals. My only contention is that a student should not have been rejected just for her lack of fluency in English. Schools should rather take such bright students and then help them develop their personality. Think of this girl some day making to IAS and having this bad feeling and acting against these schools? I wish that happens. We too got our education from rural schools and were very poor in English. UK, where English requirements were more stringent, did not reject me from admitting in 70s. They took extra classes in English and helped us improve. DPS has been nothing but arrogant in this case. We all know what all goes on in DPS and other such public schools. Public memory is still fresh about those Mobile videos... I Hope DPS won't say that they prepare boys and girls for Pornographic films as well...


yess sir, u r very right here, as i mentioned earlier, they develop the personalities accordingly,

and this is only perceptoin that DPS can deliver best education,
best education dont have any definition, may be the environment DPS provides is considered worst in our local villagers, n the education which we get in our local school may be best, but is not valued outside just becoz they are not fluent in english and so called hip-hop social culture which is also necessary sometimes for some reasons. so its person to person, society to society n our choosen career,

teena
June 21st, 2006, 07:00 PM
Now that simply proves how we are still entangled in the colony rule. Its really a shame on part of DPS authorities that they judge students on the basis of their spoken language. Are we living in UK???? I think the girl should fight for her rights and people as crazy as this principal be shown their places. A child develops his/her personality at school because that is the base of his/her learning. Even I went to a convent school where the medium was English but when I entered in class K.G. I didnt know any other language other than Hindi. In that case, no one should get admission in any English medium school because no kindergarten is fluent in english!
Its really a ridiculous excuse that DPS principal has given!

rkumar
June 21st, 2006, 09:00 PM
This is what Delhi Education Minister has to say;

"I find it very strange. She speaks better English than the Principal," said the minister who has ordered an inquiry into DPS, Dwarka.

http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?template=ndtvimpact&slug=Delhi+govt+vindicates+CBSE+topper%27s+stand&id=19674&callid=0

This means that its just not the English but general bias these schools have against rural boys and girls.

RK^2

ravichaudhary
June 21st, 2006, 09:20 PM
Education

There is no point in bashing DPS,

DPS is a machine, with many schools. The RK Puram School is but a collector from the subsidiary schools. Admission is difficult. It is the flagship brand.

The schools are geared for high academic achievement, and it is quite obvious our Jat girl qualifies. The lack of English is a silly excuse. She would pick up, we all did and do.

The rejection is only a symptom, of what is lacking in our society.

As a bit of background:

Contrary to a general perception, that Jat society had a well-developed education system pre 1857, in the shape of school supported by the panchayats. The Haryana/Western U.P. Sarv Khap system is a good example. The educational system of the Jats can be traced back to at least 800AD

See:

Shivirpur, Sikarpur
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/1722


The history of Handauhli- education in 800 AD India

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/1718

When the 1857 war way lost, the Sarv Khap destroyed, the school system was also destroyed, and the downfall of Jat society started. Within a couple of generations they were reduced from the status of independent republicans, to the status of uneducated ryots/peasants.

The coming of the Arya Samaj movement in 1850 on saw a resurgence of the Jat spirit, and saw paradigm shift occur.

The problem was a total lack of schools, and a lack of boarding facilities for students.

The mechanics to success, was the establishment of Gurukuls, in Haryana, U, P, Rajasthan, and Punjab.

Dr Birbal Singh, Dudhee ji etc on this list can point to the strenuous efforts of the members of Jat society who brought about and created an educational system, Dr Birbal Singh’s family, if I may be allowed to pay a compliment, were instrumental in rising over Rs 1 crore in the 1950’s towards this goal. {That would like 100 crores today- $ 25 million US]

Over 500 schools were set up, and there are hundreds of thousands of Jats today, who owe their current success to these efforts, and they rose from their relegation to the bottom of society in Rajastan and elsewhere, to the forefront of society today.

The struggle and sacrifices of the participants is an inspiring story, and hopefully someone will a movie of it sometime. (Soon?).

This leads to what is the need today.

- The language of success today is English, not the vernacular.

- Government School in rural areas are moribund, there is little or no teaching.

- Gurukuls are falling behind


We have once again a need, and an opportunity to create another paradigm shift.

The need is obvious- improve the curriculum, and teach English from Kindergarten, shifting The medium of instruction from Hindi to English.

[Punjab has made a beginning, with English being taught to children form Grade One reason being, that the Punjab people are aware that their kids cannot compete internationally if they are not fluent in English. The Philippines have shifted the medium of instruction for their schools to English- the results will be an entire country will be fluent in English]

Now the opportunity, if we can recognize it, is here once again, to bring life to movement for upliftment of the community. To bring about another paradigm shift in our attitudes, and bring a renewal that will address the needs of our society today, as our forefathers did, 50, 100, 150 years ago.

There is the need to the new generation to come forward and take the reins of the movement, and do something that they can look back with and say proudly to themselves,


” I did something in my lifetime, to change the future of our community."

There will be many suggestions. but we do not have to re invent the wheel.

We have institutions like Gurukul system. The infrastructure is already there, builingds, administration, students.

The problem is determine the specific goal, and bring together the resources including funding.

One suggestion for a goal I have is:

Bring all Gurukuls to the CBSE standard, in English medium

Raise money, hire teachers, and improve facilities.

Mechanics are already there- the North American Jat Charity for members in America. The Surajmal educational society. The All India Jat Mahsabha.

They are Jat Mahsabha is holding a large meeting in Gwalior in November 2006

The interface with the Gurukuls is there in the form of Dudheeji. Dr Ram Arya needs no mention for his outstanding contributions, and naturraly this small list does not include many who deserve mention, and are privately doing much on their own.

We have energetic and concerned members with vision like Rajendra K Kalkhande, who can lead the effort, if they are able to and can create the time from their other commitments and accept this ardous challenge.

We have forums like this for communication.

These are some of my initial thoughts.

Our challenge is can we bring some practicality in?

Ravi Chaudhary

rkumar
June 22nd, 2006, 12:29 AM
I agree Ravi with your views. We have to act at local level and can not depend upon these expansive schools for our mass education. I am moving over to India next month and will do my best to infuse new thinking in our education system. We have to use existing infrastructure and there is no second opinion about that. Rural education is a big issue and needs to be addressed by rural people themselves. Outsiders will never come and extend helping hand.

RK^2

jagmohan
June 22nd, 2006, 09:31 AM
A word about DPS Schools. It takes years to create a brabd name and that is what sells. For them Education is business, like any other. If I am not wrong DAV Schools started much before DPS but hardly anyone out side Punjab-Haryana knows about them.

Last year I saw a beautiful building when I drove from Meerut to Sonepat in Village Khevda. It was DPS Sonepat. It caters to mostly rural population. DPS Meerut, started by a Jat, also caters to children fron as far as Baraut, Baghpat, Mawana etc. The topper in DPS Meerut this year was a Muslim girl from Baghpat.

The girl should have been given admission. No two ways about it. I am sure she would achieve her goals in life, DPS or no DPS. I hope she remains undisturbed by this avoidable media glare.

Regards,

JS Malik

rameshlakra
June 22nd, 2006, 12:31 PM
Its strange in this country, where only crieteria for judging brain, is whether one can speak fluent english. English infuence has reached a point of no return and it cant be undone now, But that as a sole criteria is ridiculous.

This is a perfect case for member here to contribute her, financially. NAJC and JANJAGRITI has a bigger role to play and she can be adopetd for all her education.

itsnavin
June 22nd, 2006, 04:30 PM
Its strange in this country, where only crieteria for judging brain, is whether one can speak fluent english. English infuence has reached a point of no return and it cant be undone now, But that as a sole criteria is ridiculous.

This is a perfect case for member here to contribute her, financially. NAJC and JANJAGRITI has a bigger role to play and she can be adopetd for all her education.

It was 60 years back when Brits left this country but country is still slave to their language. It happened with Garima with DPS but it happened with me long back in 1987. And it was real fun...read on...

I had just passed matric from hindu school Sonepat in 1987(with rank among top 10 in Haryana board) . But for +2 my parents wanted me to get admission to Model School Rohtak. I passed test with good results but just after seeking admission, in the principal's chamber, English Teacher, Mr. Ishwar Singh(Jat) made a remark "Achha..woh Hindu school jahan English bhee Hindi mein padhai jaati hai..wahan se aaye ho...kya abhi tak chal raha hai woh school". I was really furious. But after the first term exam in +1, it was my time to have a laugh. When the class met after 1st term exam, in the classroom the same teacher asked the class "who's the topper". The teacher was looking to everyone except me and all class was looking at me...and when I stood up...I don't know how he must have felt.

So...the name sells but I am sure Garima will be able to fulfill her dream even without DPS. He shouldn't lost heart...

rkumar
June 22nd, 2006, 05:38 PM
It was 60 years back when Brits left this country but country is still slave to their language. It happened with Garima with DPS but it happened with me long back in 1987. And it was real fun...read on...

I had just passed matric from hindu school Sonepat in 1987(with rank among top 10 in Haryana board) . But for +2 my parents wanted me to get admission to Model School Rohtak. I passed test with good results but just after seeking admission, in the principal's chamber, English Teacher, Mr. Ishwar Singh(Jat) made a remark "Achha..woh Hindu school jahan English bhee Hindi mein padhai jaati hai..wahan se aaye ho...kya abhi tak chal raha hai woh school". I was really furious. But after the first term exam in +1, it was my time to have a laugh. When the class met after 1st term exam, in the classroom the same teacher asked the class "who's the topper". The teacher was looking to everyone except me and all class was looking at me...and when I stood up...I don't know how he must have felt.

So...the name sells but I am sure Garima will be able to fulfill her dream even without DPS. He shouldn't lost heart...

This is really unfortunate when teachers make such remarks.. They might forget it, but a student never forgets whole his/ her life. It creates bitterness for lifetime. There is now way, we in India have to strengthen our government schools. Public has to share responsibility with government to run these schools and only then we can think of a better future for our children.

RK^2

deepshi
June 22nd, 2006, 07:05 PM
that she was turned down by the school, else she wud alwaz hv been a misfit
she can prove her mettle widout gettin there too
these so called ELITE schools hv nthin to offer except d tags( my personal exp.)
my english teacher never ever gave even d briefest explanation of any chapter, foget bout every para
bt they r gr8 4 extra-curricular activities, n dats it!

my wishes with garima:)

desijat
June 22nd, 2006, 08:58 PM
The good news here is that the girl has been accepted by Venkateshwar International School, Dwarka, Not many people know that this school is owned by Jat.

vivek
June 23rd, 2006, 03:38 AM
I went to DPS Rk Puram, and Modern School (Barakhamba Rd) for my high school education. I strongly believe that the decision by DPS is short sighted and wrong on so many levels. The girl has clearly overcome huge obstacles to be a 'topper.' Speaking English with correct diction, and wearing proper clothes is a very minor obstacle for the girl to overcome, especially for someone who has shown the will to achieve the best despite tremendous odds. Its rather funny that the same people who criticized her on proper diction would be considered to have heavy accented english and improper diction by any English teacher in the west. I would bet that most elite colleges in the US would rather have her as a student than 99% of the student body at DPS. I am ashamed to be associated with DPS.

bnashier
June 23rd, 2006, 05:40 AM
More often than not an irrational human behavior (or plain stupidity for that matter) surpasses all human imaginations in their weirdest form. This story of admission rejection by DPS establishment of a student who has proved to better than all the rest on the only scale that is used to judge these students after a year’s labor is a classical example of the above.

How interesting, the universities in United States of America, Canada and England, with English as their only language of communication, admit students from all over the world. They don’t ask students about their fluency in spoken English; they only require them to make the cut on their test scores for whatever tests they choose to take. They do look at how good the students are in whatever they plan to study. Many of these incoming students hardly speak good English by acceptable standards. This is because they do not grow up speaking English in their homes or surroundings. Some of these very students win Nobel prizes and help reshape the world simply because they are just good in whatever they are doing. That is civilization at work – to nurture and worship the best.

And here we have, probably mediocre at best (or their mindset has thus shown), a school principal and her colleagues who told a fine student to hit the road simply she does not fit their private “club”. Good Lord have mercy over the conscience of these hopeless idiots who live in their damn huts and think that they know it all !

bidhlan
June 23rd, 2006, 04:44 PM
this is act of discrimination against jaats.we should raise our voice against this act

bharatrattan
June 24th, 2006, 02:04 AM
Rajendraji,

This case exposes something that is all too prevalent in India. It redefines merit on the basis of family background. I am sure this girl will overcome such discrimination but there are untold tens of thousands of victims whose aspirations are cut down even though they are fairly smart and committed. Essentially, a disadvantaged background makes underachievers out of lot of people.

It may be a good idea for the 'Jan Jagriti" people to get in touch with the girl and her family and see if something can be done. Of course, their consent is needed for any further action. My ideas include giving her opportunities of job shadowing (done in North America as part of finding real interests of a child), assisting in finding a real good coaching program etc. May be when you go to India soon, you try to meet the girl and her family and see what is needed including financial contributions from us Jatlanders.

Dear Friends,
For the rarest opportunities, competition in India boils down to individual performance.
At my medical school most of the students were outstanding. There was no dynastic following or predominance of DPS etc. But for Delhi PMT, DPS probably has always shown a good result. It is interesting to know that top rankers are generally transition students who join DPS for their high schooling. The best these schools give is a stiff competitive environment. The education may not be good at all. The students joining these schools come from a prosperous middle class stratum, which is very well informed. They know which books to study, which material is hot and where not to waste time. This probably is a greater edge than anything else. Most of these entrance exam students never attend regular classes. They perform well in test series and the school does not pester them for 75% regular attendance. I know many IIT toppers who were almost never seen in class bcoz it’s too slow for entrance examination preparation.


For a DPS guy life is easy. Preparation for PMT starts from the day they give their Class Xth exams. They don’t take Math if they want to do Medicine. Instead of Math they have Physical Education in which they sit and study for PMT. It is a different story that 90 percent of the time we used to play at Central Schools.

Presently information is widely available and if one keeps his eyes open, there is no need to get anxious about joining such educational shops. In fact we crushed those DPSites later after reaching an equal platform.


Congrats to Garima,
Best,
Bharat

vinodks
June 24th, 2006, 03:04 AM
Thats good point. Schools like DPS give competitive environment and just the name of school itself infuses confidence in student. But English is not at all needed for eng or medical exams, so a student from hindi background should be as capable of cracking (Preference for only eng and medical studies is another big issue). Even though a rural student has high IQ and is equally competitive for entrance exams English can dictate his/her confidence level. I support that English should be taught from beginning but excellent shouldn't be gauged on English fluency. Thats ridiculous.
Congrat to Garima...
-vinod



Dear Friends,
For the rarest opportunities, competition in India boils down to individual performance.
At my medical school most of the students were outstanding. There was no dynastic following or predominance of DPS etc. But for Delhi PMT, DPS probably has always shown a good result. It is interesting to know that top rankers are generally transition students who join DPS for their high schooling. The best these schools give is a stiff competitive environment. The education may not be good at all. The students joining these schools come from a prosperous middle class stratum, which is very well informed. They know which books to study, which material is hot and where not to waste time. This probably is a greater edge than anything else. Most of these entrance exam students never attend regular classes. They perform well in test series and the school does not pester them for 75% regular attendance. I know many IIT toppers who were almost never seen in class bcoz it’s too slow for entrance examination preparation.


For a DPS guy life is easy. Preparation for PMT starts from the day they give their Class Xth exams. They don’t take Math if they want to do Medicine. Instead of Math they have Physical Education in which they sit and study for PMT. It is a different story that 90 percent of the time we used to play at Central Schools.

Presently information is widely available and if one keeps his eyes open, there is no need to get anxious about joining such educational shops. In fact we crushed those DPSites later after reaching an equal platform.


Congrats to Garima,
Best,
Bharat

dhayal
June 24th, 2006, 11:58 AM
whese bhi bahut achha hai, kyoki DPS badnam jyada padai kam hai:mad: