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desijat
July 21st, 2006, 02:26 PM
Hi
By this post i dont mean to hurt the feelings of any muslim Brother, But just as a matter of fact and to correct Mr. Dudi's Knowledge of Islam i am pasting this site's link

http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm

monikadahiya
July 22nd, 2006, 02:49 AM
vikas,
I went through this site and my view about Islam are strengthened all the more:eek: :eek: ... I wish i had time/patience to go through the entire site. It's an extremely interesting website and the guy has provided endless proofs. I am impressed.. Thank you for providing this link!!!

desijat
July 22nd, 2006, 02:53 AM
Bebe
Yu Thanks ka chakkarna gera kar.... ji bhunda ho jaa:mad:

Par bera ke? Mera pers. exp hai , GF aala, kasuutta wala

A muslim will never leave or weaken her stand on her religion, but a hindu will

As my mom says, ye bade kattar hote hai

monikadahiya
July 22nd, 2006, 03:26 AM
Bebe
Yu Thanks ka chakkarna gera kar.... ji bhunda ho jaa:mad:

Par bera ke? Mera pers. exp hai , GF aala, kasuutta wala

A muslim will never leave or weaken her stand on her religion, but a hindu will

As my mom says, ye bade kattar hote hai

hahahah tanne kyukar fet gi yo musalmani... hahaha bach ke rya kar bhai :p.. kade koi chorri asli katarpan dikha de apna ...:D :D

desijat
July 22nd, 2006, 03:54 AM
hahahah tanne kyukar fet gi yo musalmani... hahaha bach ke rya kar bhai :p.. kade koi chorri asli katarpan dikha de apna ...:D :D

Re bebe ke bataun

Ibhi bhi hai..... Nyu Keh ak Musalman bann.... :p Ar mein nyu kahun ak naa rahan de, kyu JAt ku cheddan lag ri tu bhari padega:p

Manti konyaa:mad: Use ke bera Musalmaan banne mein kitna khoon likde ar kitna Dard hoo

Hahahahahahahaaha

vins9981
July 22nd, 2006, 05:14 AM
Bebe
Yu Thanks ka chakkarna gera kar.... ji bhunda ho jaa:mad:

Par bera ke? Mera pers. exp hai , GF aala, kasuutta wala

A muslim will never leave or weaken her stand on her religion, but a hindu will

As my mom says, ye bade kattar hote hai


for your information Vikas,
a real hindu will never and i mean ever weaken his stand on the religion.
it is only hindu religion which teaches to respect all other religions.

sejwaldeepak
July 22nd, 2006, 09:18 AM
bhai vikas ek bat bata tera kuch prem vrem ka chhakar sei . ke us gelya.. arr bhai hai tei. ek kaam kar wo tere tei keh sei na musalmaan banan ki tu ustei nyu keh ke tu hi ku na jat ban jati chal tanne ganga ji mein nhawa ke laaunga arr ude hi pandeyan dhore tera dhram parivartan karwa dunga.. pher dekhiye tamasha:D

dndeswal
July 22nd, 2006, 09:45 AM
bhai vikas ek bat bata tera kuch prem vrem ka chhakar sei . ke us gelya.. arr bhai hai tei. ek kaam kar wo tere tei keh sei na musalmaan banan ki tu ustei nyu keh ke tu hi ku na jat ban jati chal tanne ganga ji mein nhawa ke laaunga arr ude hi pandeyan dhore tera dhram parivartan karwa dunga.. pher dekhiye tamasha:D


दीपक, ये हमारे भाई ऐसा ना होने देंगे । सुना है अकबर हिन्दू बनना चाहता था - बीरबल से सलाह ली । बीरबल ने कहा कि आप हिन्दू कैसे बन सकते हो । अकबर ने जवाब दिया - तुम हवन करा देना या फिर गंगा में नहलवा देना ।


बीरबल ने कह दिया कि अमावस के दिन सुबह ४ बजे आप गंगा पर आ जाना और मैं वहीं शुद्दि करा दूंगा ।


जब अकबर वहां पहुंचा तो देखा कि बीरबल एक गधी को नहला रहा है । अकबर के पूछने पर कहा "मैं इस गधी को गंगा में नहला कर गाय बनाना चाह्ता हूं" । अकबर बोला कि ये तो हो ही नहीं सकता । बीरबल ने जवाब दे दिया कि इसी तरह ये भी नहीं हो सकता कि एक मुसलमान को गंगा में नहला कर हिंदू बना दिया जाये ।


यह इतिहास की एक बडी त्रासदी (tragedy) है । अगर बीरबल यह बेवकूफी नहीं करता तो आज का इतिहास और ही होता - न कश्मीर समस्या होती और न ही होते पाकिस्तान और बंगलादेश ।
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sejwaldeepak
July 22nd, 2006, 09:55 AM
Uncle Ji ,

Yo hi to main bhi kehna chahun tha bhai vikas tei.. ke ek bei try karke dekh aape bera paat jaga..wase yo birbal jat hi tei na tha:D
kyuki kehna to uska bhi thik hi tha gadhi ne kitni bhi suthri kar dyo nhawa dhuwa ne kaweinge sab gadhi hi ghodi ya gaay to kehan tei rahe:)

desijat
July 22nd, 2006, 12:21 PM
Na Sejwal bhai meri dhab te prem wrem ka chakkar kuch naa

Isi baat pe ek kissa yaad aa gaya

Ek bar ek Jat ar ek Brahman ke balak ne khet mein amrud khane ke baad musalmaan ke lote ka pani pi lia.

Bahman ne dekh liya ar bola tam donu ka dharam bhrasht ho gaya ar jat ku kaha ibja inhe Shudh karna padega.

Bahman apne aale ku lega Haridwar,ganga ji mein nunhaya 4-5 din tak mantra path kare, dan kara ar Ghana pisa kharch kar ke ulta aaya.

JAt use dekh ke bola Ahmak , tu itna pisa kharch kar ke aya....

Jat ne apne chore ku bulaya ar pucha, kitna paani pi ke aya tha?
Chora bola 1 lota.Jat ne use ek lot pani dia peen ku, ar kaha Mulla ji ki ghar ki udde Moot de, Ar uske balak ne moot diya

Jat Bola dekh wo bagaya Mulla ji ka pani uske ghar ki udd, ar hoga mhara chora Shudh:p

georgian
July 22nd, 2006, 04:53 PM
kasooti kahani sunai bhai... maja aa gaya

Charanvir Singh

birbal
July 23rd, 2006, 08:49 PM
दीपक, ये हमारे भाई ऐसा ना होने देंगे । सुना है अकबर हिन्दू बनना चाहता था - बीरबल से सलाह ली । बीरबल ने कहा कि आप हिन्दू कैसे बन सकते हो । अकबर ने जवाब दिया - तुम हवन करा देना या फिर गंगा में नहलवा देना ।


बीरबल ने कह दिया कि अमावस के दिन सुबह ४ बजे आप गंगा पर आ जाना और मैं वहीं शुद्दि करा दूंगा ।


जब अकबर वहां पहुंचा तो देखा कि बीरबल एक गधी को नहला रहा है । अकबर के पूछने पर कहा "मैं इस गधी को गंगा में नहला कर गाय बनाना चाह्ता हूं" । अकबर बोला कि ये तो हो ही नहीं सकता । बीरबल ने जवाब दे दिया कि इसी तरह ये भी नहीं हो सकता कि एक मुसलमान को गंगा में नहला कर हिंदू बना दिया जाये ।


यह इतिहास की एक बडी त्रासदी (tragedy) है । अगर बीरबल यह बेवकूफी नहीं करता तो आज का इतिहास और ही होता - न कश्मीर समस्या होती और न ही होते पाकिस्तान और बंगलादेश ।
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Deshwalji,

Akbar's desire to convert (although the real fact is that he wanted to start a new religion - Din-e-Ilahi as a mix of Hinduism and Islam) was based more on pragmatism rather than faith. As a good administrator he realized the rule by force from a minority will not last (and it did not last).

Also, he was not being innovative in this regard as it was not something entirely new. As we all know the greatest killer of Muslims in history were the Mongols - mainly Ghengis (Changez in India) Khan and his grandson, Halaku Khan. In 1258, Halaku Khan sacked Baghdad killing over 1.5 million Muslims. At that time Baghdad was the centre of knowledge in the world. Halaku ordered all the books dumped in the river and it is said the colour of the river remained blue for six months.

Few years later the Khans realized that it was difficult to rule over Muslims as non-muslims, so the next generation of Khans converted to Islam not because they had become admirers of Allah, but purely for pragmatic reasons.

Strangely, today millions of Muslims use the surname Khan proudly not knowing that the Khans were the ones who killed most Muslims in history.

arihantdalal
July 23rd, 2006, 10:02 PM
1.Vikas,there are hundreds of such sites from both the sides,denigrating hindus & muslims (by the other side).
such sites have NO RELIABILITY & ACCURACY.these are simply tools to spread personal propaganda.

u can see india-facts.com
for similar things about hinduism.

or countercurrents.org(a dalit-pro site).

2.by & large,except the radical organizations here & there.....hindus usually dont take their religion too seriously & are quite liberal in that regard.

3.the only hitch i have with the moslem bretheren is the "ummah" or the muslim brotherhood which inspires them to put Islam & their islamic brothers ahead of their country.

4.i dont know much about the details of "shariya" & "hudood" but i find it incomprehensible why islamic countries rule their land & their judiciary in accordance with the teachings of KORAN which was written 1400 years ago & is clearly written according to the timres & circumstances that prevailed then....which have little bearing NOW in 2006.

5.but,all said & done....i have a personal principal to not have pre-concieved notions about people.generalization kills all the beauty.

regards

desijat
July 23rd, 2006, 10:15 PM
Could anyone tell me the source of qouran?

cheelu
July 25th, 2006, 07:29 AM
hey Vikas
y u r so worried about Quran?
its much better ki hum apna religion discuss kare.
as we search more n more bout other's religion, we'll just get bad points

dont expect the respect of ur religion,
if u dont know how to respect other's religion

amitchhikara
July 25th, 2006, 07:46 AM
Dr. Balbir Singhji, thankyou very much for such great information. I must admit this is something i had never heard or read about and always thought that Gengis khan was a muslim. Very interesting little historical fact.

sejwaldeepak
July 25th, 2006, 09:20 AM
monika manne laage hai o musalmani iska dhram bhrasth karke hi chhoddegi,, beta bach ke rahiye tera tei dhram parivartan hoya hi samjhiye ibb.:D

desijat
July 25th, 2006, 03:07 PM
hey Vikas
y u r so worried about Quran?
its much better ki hum apna religion discuss kare.
as we search more n more bout other's religion, we'll just get bad points

dont expect the respect of ur religion,
if u dont know how to respect other's religion
















I allready know about my religion, but not about others

I have a muslim friend who boasted many things anout quran,and islam in a debater we had, which i believe was not a factual detail.

So just wanted to know the exact details.

Secondly, Who says i dont respect Islam, or christanity?
Ofcourse i do, that is the only reason i have friends from evry community. I dont ask them if they are muslim or a sikh b4 i make friends....

It is only the respect which made me ask this question, if i wouldnt have had respect for it, i wouldnt have had given it a thought and been a one minded dictator :):)

desijat
July 25th, 2006, 03:10 PM
monika manne laage hai o musalmani iska dhram bhrasth karke hi chhoddegi,, beta bach ke rahiye tera tei dhram parivartan hoya hi samjhiye ibb.:D

Utha ke RIfle jab jeep par sawar hote
Baandh ke Saafa jab Gabru Taiyaar hoe
Duniya chat pe chadke dekhti hai aur kehti hai

Kaash Hum bhi JAT hote


mein konya ane aala kisi ke jhaanse mein:p ar jo ghani boli use hi jatni bana dunga

cheelu
July 26th, 2006, 02:25 AM
""So just wanted to know the exact details.""

aye bhai jaataa ki website pe musalmanaa ki exact detail bujan laag riha hai..........:eek: :eek:

after seeing that site, everyone can start to hate muslims. That site is just to create violence between hindus and muslims (jo britishers ka boya hod beej hai).
Finding problems out of created problems is not the solution of any of the problem.

desijat
July 26th, 2006, 03:41 AM
Birbal ji ne bhi jataa ki site pe info di:p Knowledge knows no limit and platform

cheelu
July 26th, 2006, 04:19 AM
"Knowledge has no limits and platform" its true

its also true that there are two ways to providing/getting info........one is positive and another is negative.............its totally depends on the person which way he/she want to choose out of them.

vivek
July 26th, 2006, 05:32 AM
Islam lends itself to be interpreted in violent terms. Some of the sayings in hadith are incredibly narrowminded towards other religion. Further, they do not believe in separation of rule and religion. Another thing that is extremely disturbing is the concept of Darul Harb.

I have no problems with religions that practice the 'live and let live' concept. It seems that a large portion of muslims (30 to 40%) follow the fascist islamic ideology, which is not tolerant of other ideology. You only have to look at % of minority population in Islamic state to arrive at that conclusion.

You have to learn from history...and history teaches me to be very wary of people who follow this religion.

monikadahiya
July 26th, 2006, 09:57 PM
Islam lends itself to be interpreted in violent terms. Some of the sayings in hadith are incredibly narrowminded towards other religion. Further, they do not believe in separation of rule and religion. Another thing that is extremely disturbing is the concept of Darul Harb.

I have no problems with religions that practice the 'live and let live' concept. It seems that a large portion of muslims (30 to 40%) follow the fascist islamic ideology, which is not tolerant of other ideology. You only have to look at % of minority population in Islamic state to arrive at that conclusion.

You have to learn from history...and history teaches me to be very wary of people who follow this religion.

I completely agree with you vivek... Frankly, even i am cautious while talking to a muslim. I am not saying that all of them are bad..but majority of them do not accept other religion. I have even read a bit about quran.. and didnt like it at all. Most muslims disparage other religion and present their views so foxily that I feel its better never to talk with them atleast about religion.

yudhvirmor
July 26th, 2006, 11:17 PM
Hi,

I dont even know the single country where muslims are living and that country is trouble free. You can start looking from Inodnesia and you can look into the small countries of Africa. Muslims fundamentalists are rampant every where.

I am sure that its a problem with religion and their beliefs. I belive in nationalism and I dont feel shame to call myself the admirer of RSS policies.

Cheers
Yudhvir Mor

arihantdalal
July 26th, 2006, 11:44 PM
Hi,

I dont even know the single country where muslims are living and that country is trouble free. You can start looking from Inodnesia and you can look into the small countries of Africa. Muslims fundamentalists are rampant every where.

I am sure that its a problem with religion and their beliefs. I belive in nationalism and I dont feel shame to call myself the admirer of RSS policies.

Cheers
Yudhvir Mor

1. i"ll tell u....france...denmark......holland....canada....& of course,turkey.
but by & large many among them resist accepting their immigrant country"s culture.

2.RSS is hypocrite.....power-hungry.....& full of u know wat.

aside from empty talk,wat have they accomplished in last 3-4 decades.

yudhvirmor
July 27th, 2006, 12:35 AM
1. i"ll tell u....france...denmark......holland....canada....& of course,turkey.
but by & large many among them resist accepting their immigrant country"s culture.

2.RSS is hypocrite.....power-hungry.....& full of u know wat.

aside from empty talk,wat have they accomplished in last 3-4 decades.
Hi Arihant,
I think you are supporting my point. France had problems some months ago. In canada or holland they are almost neligible. Turkey went through so many issues and its always a part of middle east problem

Now, lets discuss about RSS. its the only symbol of nationalism in India. They were never in power. however, they built the party like BJP.
They are not bombing the trains like SIMI. However, They are talking about the upliftment of Hindus

Cheers
Yudhvir Mor