The MotorCycle Diaries and Che Guevara

[gandasa]

Just had some time to kill so...... I was wondering if People here know about Che Guevara and what he did.....
There are so many history buffs here ... Can anybody Shed come light on this personality....I have been reading about him but want to know what our people feel about him........
Can he be termed as , or by any terms even close to our Subhash Chander Bose...

[cooljat]

i suggest u better contact Shobhit Deshwal, he knows about him

Rock on
Jit

[gandasa]

Guys ..... Where are all the people out there.......
By the way ... The picture of Che Guevara is most famous Picture of the twentieth century....

[dahiyars]

Dear Rana
Some words about Che if I know him correctly
Ernesto Guevara de la Serna , commonly known as Che Guevara or simply Che, was an Argentine-born physician best known for his leading role in the Cuban Revolution of the 1950s, his prominent roles in the Cuban revolutionary government, and for his subsequent resignation from his Cuban offices in order to devote himself to further attempts to spread Marxist revolution around the world.
Guevara's motorcycle tour of Latin America as a young man brought him into direct contact with the severe poverty that afflicts many people in the region, a sharp contrast to the well-off surroundings in which he had been raised.

R.S.Dahiya

[addy]

One special mention...his picture...where he is staring into the oblivion is considered to be amongst the most famous and most widely published pictures of all times.

(thats the one in the centre, amongst those attached above.)

[dahiyarules]

Che the terrorist.

Che the killer!

Che the murderer!

Che the rapist!

Che the plunderer!

Che the demon!

For me, I know him by several "salutations"

Read the following article by Humberto Fontova. Mr. Fontova fleed Cuba after being incarcerated for several years in Cuba. His family got slaughtered or raped by Guevara and his cronies. You could read more of Mr. Fontova's articles at: http://www.lewrockwell.com/fontova/fontova-arch.html

Che the ‘Guerrilla Fighter’ – Literally!

by Humberto Fontova


Did you catch Eric Burdon on the PBS special "The 60's Experience" last week? Eric was "100 pounds of hipness in a ten-pound bag," as Dave Barry used to say. His Che Guevara shirt shamed both Carlos Santana's and Johnny Depp's. This was no measly t-shirt, either. It was a collared shirt, very elegant, with a HUGE image of the gallant Che's face on both front and back.

My entire family came rushing into the den when I exploded – not in rage – but in mirth. "WE GOTTA GET OUTTA THIS PLACE!" Eric was singing.

"EXACTLY, Eric!" I roared "You NAILED IT, amigo!" That was the exact refrain from 6.3 million Cubans (Cuba's population in 1959) when Fidel and Che took over.

The fiendishly clever Cuban-American National Foundation itself might have produced the show, or slipped him the song list to expose Burdon as a jackass. Che provoked the biggest political exodus in the history of the western hemisphere. Yet the thundering irony was lost on Eric, not to mention the PBS producers.

When your professor calls Che a "guerrilla fighter" he's correct, but unwittingly. The term "Indian fighter" was used for cowboys who fought against Indians right?

Well, did your history prof tell you that one of the bloodiest and longest guerrilla wars on this continent was fought – not by – but against Fidel and Che, and by landless peasants?

Didn't think so. Farm collectivization was no more voluntary in Cuba than in the Ukraine. And Cuba's Kulaks had guns, a few at first anyway. Had these rebels gotten a fraction of the aid the Afghan Mujahedeen got, the Viet Cong got – indeed that George Washington's rebels got from the French – had these Cuban rebels gotten any help, my kids would speak Spanish and Miami's jukeboxes today would carry Tanya Tucker rather than Gloria Estefan.

Che had a very bloody (and typically cowardly) hand in one of the major anti-insurgency wars on this continent. 80 per cent of these anti-communist guerrillas were executed on the spot upon capture, a Che specialty. For my book I interviewed several of the lucky former rebels who managed to escape the slaughter. "We fought with the fury of cornered beasts," I titled the chapter, using the phrase one used to describe their desperate freedom fight against the Soviet occupation of Cuba through their proxies Fidel and Che.

In 1956 when Che linked up with Fidel, Raul, and their Cuban chums in Mexico city, one of them (now in exile) recalls Che railing against the Hungarian freedom-fighters as "Fascists!" and cheering their extermination by Soviet tanks.

In 1962 Che got a chance to do more than cheer from the sidelines. He had a hand in the following: "Cuban militia units commanded by Russian officers employed flame-throwers to burn the palm-thatched cottages in the Escambray countryside. The peasant occupants were accused of feeding the counterrevolutionaries and bandits." At one point in 1962, one of every 17 Cubans was a political prisoner. Fidel himself admits that they faced 179 bands of "counter-revolutionaries" and "bandits."

Mass murder was the order in Cuba's countryside. It was the only way to decimate so many rebels. These country folk went after the Reds with a ferocity that saw Fidel and Che running to their Soviet sugar daddies and tugging their pants in panic. That commie bit about how "a guerrilla swims in the sea which is the people, etc." fit Cuba's anti-Fidel and Che rebellion to a T. So in a relocation and concentration campaign that shamed anything the Brits did to the Boers, the gallant Communists ripped hundreds of thousands of Cubans from their ancestral homes and herded them into concentration camps on the opposite side of Cuba. I interview several of these "relocated" families too.

One of these Cuban redneck wives refused to be relocated. After her husband, sons, and a few nephews were murdered by the Gallant Che and his minions, she grabbed a tommy gun herself, rammed in a clip and took to the hills. She became a rebel herself. Cubans know her as La Niña Del Escambray.

For a year she ran rings around the Communist armies sweeping the hills in her pursuit. Finally she ran out of ammo and supplies and the reds rounded her up. Amazingly, she wasn't executed (Che must have taken that day off.) For years La Niña suffered horribly in Castro’s dungeons, but she lives in Miami today. Seems to me her tragic story makes ideal fodder for Oprah, for all those women’s magazines, for all those butch professorettes of "Women’s Studies," for a Susan Sarandon role, for a little whooping up by Gloria Steinem, Dianne Feinstein and Hillary herself.

Think about it: here's that favored theme for Hollywood producers and New York publishers – "the feisty woman." Well, they don't come much feistier than Zoila Aguila, her real name. Had she been fighting, say, Somoza or Pinochet, you can bet your last penny Hollywood and New York would be ALL OVER her story. Instead she fought the Left's most picturesque poster boys. So, naturally, nobody's heard of her.

Your professor, the fool, probably thinks Fidel and Che were guerrillas. Few fables get as much currency. Next week we'll blow that fable sky high.

[dahiyarules]

Che at the Marches

by Humberto Fontova


Che was everywhere on May Day. The mainstream media showed us something akin to a 4th of July picnic by Okies from Muskogee. Bloggers didn't let them get away with it. They pulled a quick end-run around the mainstream media juggernaut and showed us what was really going on. Thus we saw the Mexican tricolor flapping everywhere. Thus we saw Ernesto "Che" Guevara scowling from countless banners, t-shirts and placards. He appeared as the movement's spiritual leader.

Fine, let's survey his record regarding minorities, anti-government demonstrators and labor rights. First off, Che didn't think much of Mexicans. Perhaps our Senatorial magnificoes who voted for amnesty last week should stifle all the pious gurgling about "hard-working migrants seeking to better their lives" blah..blah and simply quote Che himself while referring to the nationality mostly waving those Che placards and banners as: "a band of illiterate Indians."

In 1956 while residing in Mexico and training with the Castro brothers for their "invasion" of Cuba, Che Guevara sneered at his hosts in those exact words. So recalls one of his military trainers, the Cuban, Miguel Sanchez. Wonder if "Chicano activists" know this? Probably not. They were too busy waving Che banners at the marches.

Che also delighted in belittling blacks. "The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving," that's Che himself in his celebrated Motorcycle Diaries. Can't imagine how Robert Redford omitted this from his charming movie.

Sanchez recalls how Che constantly tormented the black Cuban rebel, Juan Almedia. "Almedia would get furious!" says Sanchez. "So finally I told him: look Juan, if Che keeps calling you "el negrito," turn around and call him "El Chancho" ("The Pig"; among the bourgeois debauchments most disdained by Ernesto Guevara were baths.) Sanchez reveals all this in the fascinating documentary "Che; Anatomia de un Mito."

Wonder if Jesse Jackson knows this? Probably not. He was too busy bellowing "VIVA CHE!" while in Havana in 1984.

Never lacking in a sadistic sense of humor, a few years back Castro appointed Juan "el negrito" Almedia as the head of Cuba's "Commission to Perpetuate the Memory of Commander Ernesto 'Che' Guevara." This commission offers dedicated assistance to all visiting and "scholarly" Che Biographers. Yet somehow, none of the resulting Che biographies seem to perpetuate any memory of Che's insults to Juan Almeida.

In his diaries Che also referred to Bolivian villagers as "animalitos" (little animals). Wonder if Evo Morales has read them? Probably not. He's been too busy ribbon-cutting Che monuments in every Bolivian village.

Funnier still, the last immigrant march involved Che-shirt wearing migrants playing hookie from work. Fine, let's look at their idol's view on the matter. When Che became Cuba's Minister of Industries in 1961 (and promptly wrecked Cuba's Industries), among the most serious "crimes against revolutionary morals" was "laziness." "In a collectivist society, where man works for society," Che explained in Cuba's official newspaper Revolucion, "loafing must be considered a crime, just like robbery! Our struggle against loafers, absenteeism and parasitism has reached tremendous proportions!"

As evidenced by the tens of thousands crammed into Cuba's prison camps at the time. Che himself christened the first and most notorious of them at Guanacahibes, Cuba's version of Siberia, but featuring broiling heat rather than cold. These camps were crammed to suffocation when Che discovered that – hold on to your Che-shirts Carlos Santana and Johnny Depp! Hold on to your Che beret Madonna! – people prefer working for wages rather than for free!

"Che is not only an intellectual – but the most complete human being of our time!" hailed a smitten Jean Paul Sartre in 1961. Yet Che's towering intellect was completely confounded by this astounding revelation. Alas, his "new man" was going to take a little doing. The result was hundreds of thousands of Cubans crammed into concentration camps and an economy formerly stronger than half of Europe's nations, crumpled into a smoldering ash heap.

Wonder if AFL-CIO "activists" know this? Probably not. They were too busy erecting Che billboards during May Day.

The Soviets ended up pumping the equivalent of eight Marshall Plans into Cuba. And Cuba was not a war-ravaged continent of 300 million in 1960. It was a nation of 6.5 million who's citizens formerly earned more than Taiwan's, Japan's and Spain's. The Soviet's largesse resulted in Cuba's living standard repelling Haitians even 40 years later. This defies – not just the laws of economics – but the laws of physics. The results of LBJ's "War On Poverty" seem spectacular in comparison. Maybe Jack Nicholson's right? Maybe Castro's some kind of "genius" after all?

In the mid 1930's Stalin issued a decree "against individuals who refuse to participate in collective effort and leading an antisocial and parasitic life." (I.e., people who resist slavery.) Siberia's GULAG was soon flooded with victims. Che must have taken note. He emulated the procedure perfectly and the barbed wire, machine gun towers and guard dogs at Guanacahibibes took care of the resulting flood of Cuban "individualists" and "antisocial miscreants," as their criminal charges read.

"Individualism must disappear!" thundered this t-shirt idol of "do-your-own-thing" Bohemians in a 1961 speech in Havana. Interestingly, the cheeky Ernesto Guevara's signature on his early correspondence read: "Stalin II"

[dahiyarules]

Here ar esome pictures of Che for ya'll to enjoy.

I saw the "der Spiegel" cover a few times. It is a hardcore socialist publication in Germany.

You must be really high on pot to compare a Murdere who slaughtered hundrerd of thousands of innocent people in Latin America to the most pacifist individual of all times.

I am not a big fan of Gandhi, but I openly admit that he was a great individual. It is virtually impossible to be the kind of person he was: Pacifist and Honest.

I saw the movei: The Motorcycle Diaries. Personally, I liked the movies. I agree with Che that Crony Capitalists (Capitalists who work hand in hand with the government. It is a symbiotic relation ship. The crapitalists warm the government's pockets and the government overlooks the dirty way that the Capitalists do business) in Latin America were exploiting the people and resources of the continent.

But, that does not mean that you will pick up a Gun and start shoving your ideologies down peoples' throats. Anyone who opposed Che Guevara was executed. Some say it was hundreds of thousands. Others say it was over a million.

But that is what hardcore socialists/communists do.

1. Lenin and the Bolsheviks slaughters millions.

2. Hitler slaughtered Millions.

3. Mao Zedong slaughtered millions.

4. Pol Pot slaughtered millions.

5. Kim il Sung slaughtered hundreds of thousands.

6/ Stalin Slaughtered millions.

But then, thats what communists do. They slaughter those who disagree. They enslave those who disagree.

I used to be a communist once upon a time. But then, no one told me the truth about murderers like Guevara. Everyone just lionized this blood-thirts devil. But, when I learned the truth, I made it the mission of my life to educate opthers about reality and despise communism in all shape and forms.

Communism just brings sorrow and suffering.

[VPannu]

Here ar esome pictures of Che for ya'll to enjoy.

I saw the "der Spiegel" cover a few times. It is a hardcore socialist publication in Germany.
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Communism just brings sorrow and suffering.
Dahiya saab,aapne bhi himmat e maari itne type kar ke.:cool:

[dahiyars]

He moved to Guatemala, and his involvement in the leftist social revolution under Guatemala's first democratically-elected president, Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, and his witnessing the 1954 right-wing military coup orchestrated by the American CIA radicalized Guevara; he became convinced that only a revolution by force against capitalism and against the influence of the United States in particular could remedy Latin America's extreme economic inequality. Guevara moved on to Mexico, where he met Raúl and Fidel Castro and joined the brothers' paramilitary 26th of July Movement to overthrow US-leaning General Fulgencio Batista. Though only 12 members survived the group's disastrous initial landing in Cuba, they finally overthrew Batista's government on January 1, 1959. Guevara served in various important posts in the new government, and wrote a number of articles and books on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare. Very influential with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, Guevara advocated a hardline anti-capitalist foreign policy involving active efforts to create further socialist revolutions abroad and preparation for direct military conflict with the United States. He grew increasingly disillusioned with the Soviet Union, especially after the Soviets agreed to remove their long-range nuclear missiles from Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, which he viewed as a betrayal. Guevara then went on several diplomatic missions to other Third World countries in an unsuccessful attempt to forge an anti-capitalist political and economic bloc that was not aligned with the Soviet Union.
Guevara resigned his government posts and left Cuba in 1965 with the intention of directly fomenting Marxist revolutions abroad himself. He first went to the Congo-Kinshasa (later called the Democratic Republic of the Congo), and then to Bolivia. He did not meet with the widespread popular support he had expected in either country, and both operations were unsuccessful. He was captured in Bolivia by a CIA/ U.S. Army Special Forces-organized military operation [1] and was executed shortly thereafter, in La Higuera near Vallegrande on October 9, 1967. Participants in, and witnesses to, the events of his final hours testify that his captors executed him without trial.

[shailendra]

Well yeah sure, one person's freedom fighter may very well be the other person's terrorist, and vice-versa!
Just pick what you choose to see it as................

[gandasa]

yup....... what the .... yehahahaha .... sumit... this man deserves more than this.... I am not good in arguing ... and with you mate ....I dont have the ammunition.........
I personally feel he is one of men of the honor..... who's deeds are forgotten........ guys check out the movie ... if you can.... its good...