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dndeswal

February 26th, 2007, 01:39 AM

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SHRIKRISHNA – The Greatest Yogi Of All Times

श्रीकृष्ण के बारे में इतना साहित्य उपलब्ध है कि चाहे एक बड़ी लाइब्रेरी बना लो - तो भला यह छोटी सी पोस्ट क्या चीज है ?

पहले नाम को ही लें । “कृष्ण” शब्द का अर्थ होता है “काला” या “अंधेरा” - कोई ऐसा नाम रखेगा क्या ? हम वैसे ही “कृष्ण जी” आदि बोल देते हैं, अर्थ पर ध्यान नहीं देते । उनका असली नाम था “कृष्णचंद्र” जिसका अर्थ है “अंधेरे का चांद” । उनको “श्रीकृष्ण” भी लिखा जा सकता है जिसका अर्थ है “उजाला” - पुरानी व्याकरण के अनुसार पहले 'श्री' लगाने से शब्द का अर्थ बदल जाता था ।इसलिए उनको असली नाम से ही बोला जाये तो ठीक है ।

एक बात और - वैदिक संस्कृत में ‘राम’ शब्द का अर्थ भी है ‘अंधेरा’ । राजा दशरथ की रानियों के काफी दिनों तक सन्तान नहीं हुई, घर में और मन में अंधेरा छाया हुआ था । जब पहला पुत्र पैदा हुआ तो खुशी से उसका नाम रखा गया ‘रामचन्द्र’ यानी “जैसे अंधेरे में चांद निकल आया हो” । उनको ‘श्रीराम’ भी लिखा जा सकता है । पर आजकल तो शार्टकट का जमाना है - सब ‘राम राम’ ही बोलते हैं यानी ‘अंधेरा-अंधेरा’ - असल का बिल्कुल उल्टा ! जाटलैंड की चौपाल पर तो और भी शार्टकट - मुझे चौपाल में किसी ने राम-राम किया –“RR DND ji” ! मैने कहा भाई, इतने छोटे से शब्द (राम) को तो बख्श दो - इसको और शार्ट मत करो ! पर की-बोर्ड पर ज्यादा उंगली कोई क्यूं चलाये ? मैने भी लिख दिया "RR, RK ji" !

पर छोड़ो इस किस्से को - जो रिवाज चल पड़ा, वो चल पड़ा । आजकल ‘राम’ का मतलब दशरथ का राम नहीं रहा, बल्कि गांधी का राम हो गया है - मरते समय गांधीजी के मुंह से ‘हे राम’ निकला था, यानी ‘हे भगवान’ । - इसलिए पहले सब को राम-राम ।

श्रीकृष्ण को गुजरे 5100 साल हो चुके हैं । इन सालों में पता नहीं कितनी पुस्तकें और काव्य लिखे गए हैं उनके नाम पर । सबने अपनी कल्पना से जो मन में आया, लिख दिया - बहुत सी मनगढंत बातें भी । गोपियों से रास-लीला और स्नान करती गोपियों के कपड़े उठा कर पेड़ पर चढ़ जाना, उनका ‘ब्रह्म-अवतार’, द्रौपदी की साड़ी का अपने आप लंबा होते जाना, गोवर्धन पर्वत को उठा लेना, राधा के साथ संबन्ध आदि - ये सब कपोलकल्पित बातें हैं । सूरदास का ‘सूरसागर’ जो सिर्फ पांच सौ साल पहले लिखा गया था, एक अच्छा हिन्दी काव्य तो है पर उसमें लिखी बातों को हम इतिहास से जोड़ देते हैं जो कि गलत है । इसी भ्रम में विदेशी लोग सोचते हैं कि श्रीकृष्ण तो कोई थे ही नहीं - एक “इमेजनरी कैरेक्टर” हैं । और तो और, हमारे कम्युनिष्ट इतिहासकार भी ऐसा ही लिख देते हैं - ये बातें हमारे बच्चों को स्कूलों में पढ़ाई जा रही हैं और हमारे शिक्षामंत्री उनकी हां में हां मिला रहे हैं। अगर श्रीकृष्ण ही काल्पनिक थे, तो आज के अर्जुन (सिंह) को कौन समझाये ?

श्रीकृष्ण हमारे आदर्शपुरुष हैं, जो हमारे जैसे साधारण इंसान ही थे, पर उन में कुछ असाधारण गुण थे जिनके कारण कुछ लोग उसे ईश्वर का अवतार भी कह डालते हैं, हालांकि भगवान को अवतार लेने की जरूरत ही नहीं पड़ती । अनादि, अनन्त, अजन्मा, अमर्त्य, त्रिकालदर्शी - ये सब ईश्वर के ही नाम हैं - उसका न कोई आरम्भ है और न अंत, न उसका जन्म होता है और न मृत्यु, उसे भूत-भविष्य-वर्तमान का ज्ञान होता है । भला ऐसी शक्ति को कंस या रावण जैसे साधारण मानव के संहार के लिए ‘अवतार’ लेकर मनुष्य रूप लेने की क्या जरूरत है - मनुष्य का तो जन्म भी होता है और मृत्यु भी । जो मृत्यु को प्राप्त हो जाये वह भगवान कैसा ?

महाभारत के बाद के काल से लेकर कुछ सौ साल पहले तक पुस्तकें हाथ से लिखी जातीं थीं, छापेखाने तो थे नहीं, कागज भी उत्तम क्वालिटी का नहीं होता था । स्याही फैल जाती थी, कागज गल जाते थे और पढ़ना मुश्किल हो जाता था । राजदरबार में कुछ पढ़े-लिखे लोगों को फटी-पुरानी पुस्तकों की नकल करने के काम में लगा दिया जाता था । दुबारा लिखते समय वे अपनी तरफ से भी उसमें कुछ लाइनें लिख देते थे, खास तौर पर फटे-पुराने पन्नों की जगह पर । पुराने साहित्य में ऐसी मिलावट बहुत हो गई है जिसे आजकल ढूंढ पाना मुश्किल है । सिर्फ वेद ही अपने असली रूप में बचे रहे जिसका कारण उनको कंठस्थ करने की परंपरा है - और मंत्रों का स्वरूप ऐसा है कि उन्हें बदलना मुश्किल है । महाभारत ग्रंथ का तो कबाड़ा ही हो गया है - पुरानी पांडुलिपियों में काफी पाठभेद मिलता है जिसे दूर करना मुश्किल काम है ।

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dndeswal

February 26th, 2007, 01:41 AM

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पापी जरासंध को मारने के लिए प्रजा को एकत्र करके एक सेना का गठन जरूरी था । श्रीकृष्ण गांव-गांव घूमकर लोगों को इकट्ठा करते - अपना भाषण देकर उनमें उत्साह जगाते । दिन में सब काम-धंधे में लगे होते, इसलिए रात को उनकी भीड़ इकट्ठी करने में उनकी मदद की एक नर्तकी लड़की ने जिसका नाम था ‘राधा’ । बड़े से ग्राउंड में बड़ी-बड़ी मशालें लगाई जाती जो तेल से जलती थीं - बड़ी सभाओं में तो कई मन तेल जल जाता था । राधा का नृत्य देखने के लिए भीड़ उमड़ पड़ती और इसी अवसर पर श्रीकृष्ण उन्हें जरासंध पर हमले के लिए तैयार करते । अनेक हमले करवाये पर कामयाबी न मिली - बाद में भीम के साथ कुश्ती करवाकर उसका काम तमाम करवाया । यह कहावत तभी से चली है - न नौ मन तेल होगा, न राधा नाचेगी । यह है राधा की असली कहानी - बाद में तो पता नहीं, उसके प्रेम संबधी कितने मनगढ़न्त किस्से लिखे गए ।

योगविद्या भारत की देन है । यम, नियम, आसन, प्राणायाम, धारणा, ध्यान, समाधि - ये सब योग के ही अंग है । आज हम केवल आसन और प्राणायाम के बारे में ही जानते हैं - पुरानी उन्नत योगविद्या लुप्त हो चुकी है । समाधि योग का सबसे उन्नत रूप है जो पुराने समय में ही था । समाधि की अवस्था तक पहुंचा हुआ योगी आकाश में भी उड़ सकता था, दूसरों की मन की अवस्था का भी आभास कर सकता था और अंतर्धान भी हो सकता था, ऐसा उल्लेख आया है। महाभारत के युद्ध से बहुत विनाश हुआ था - अनेक शस्त्र-विद्यायें और योगविद्या भी लुप्त हो गईं, अनेक विद्वान और वैज्ञानिक भी चल बसे । अगर आज बहुत बड़ा विश्व-युद्ध हो जाये और सारे परमाणु-वैज्ञानिक समाप्त हो जायें तो आज का परमाणु विज्ञान भी समाप्त हो सकता है ।

श्रीकृष्ण एक पहुंचे हुए योगी थे, इसलिए उनको ‘योगिराज’ भी कहा जाता है । गुजरात से दूर समुद्र के एक टापू पर बसी हुई उनकी द्वारिका नगरी एक भयंकर भूकंप से समुद्र में समा गई । अपनी योगदृष्टि से उनको इस विपदा का शायद पहले ही आभास हो गया था और वे अपनी जनता को वहां से बचा कर सुरक्षित मुख्यभूमि पर ले आये और उनकी जान बचा ली । इतना अच्छा राजा और कोई हो सकता है ? एक बार उनकी प्रजा पर होने वाले हमले के समय उनका शत्रु शक्तिशाली था, उसको हराना मुश्किल था, इसलिए वे जनता के साथ रण छोड़ कर भाग गए और सब की जान बचा ली, इसलिए उनका एक नाम “रणछोड़” भी है । महाभारत युद्ध में भी उनकी इसी विद्या ने कमाल दिखाया - खुद हथियार भी नहीं उठाये और युद्ध जितवा भी दिया ।युद्ध के बाद योगविद्या द्वारा ही जान गये कि धृतराष्ट्र भीम को बाहों में भर कर उसकी जान लेना चाहता है, और ऐसा न होने दिया ।

महाभारत के युद्ध के बाद यदुवंशियों में झगड़े बढ़ गये थे, मदिरा पान भी होने लगा था, देश का पतन होने लगा था । श्रीकृष्ण इन घटनाओं से दुखी थे । महान योगी श्रीकृष्ण समाधि अवस्था में योगसाधना में पीले रंग के वस्त्र पहने एक जंगल में वृक्ष के नीचे बैठे थे - दूर से किसी शिकारी ने समझा कि कोई हिरण बैठा है, और उसने तीर चला दिया जो उनके पैर में लगा - और इस महान योगी की मृत्यु का कारण बना ।

श्रीकृष्ण एक महान योगी के साथ साथ कर्मयोगी भी थे । उन्होंने ही उपदेश दिया कि अपने कर्म करते जाओ, फल की इच्छा मत करो क्योंकि फल देना तो प्रभु के हाथ है - कर्मण्येवाधिकारस्ते, मा फलेषु कदाचन । जिस अर्जुन के मन में अंधकार भर चुका हो, उसे उजाला ऐसे महापुरुष के अलावा कौन दिखा सकता है ? शान्ति से उत्तम कुछ नहीं, युद्ध को टालने की कौशिश करो क्योंकि यह बहुत भयंकर होता है । पर अगर युद्ध सिर पर आ ही पड़े तो डरो मत, मुकाबला करो । सदा धर्म के पक्ष में ही युद्ध करो, अधर्मी और पापी का साथ मत दो, चाहे वह तुम्हारा पिता, भाई, दोस्त या कोई सगा-संबन्धी ही क्यूं न हो - विजय तुम्हारी यानी धर्म की ही होगी ।

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dndeswal

February 26th, 2007, 01:44 AM

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इसी बात को चाणक्य ने आगे बढ़कर लिखा - शठे शाठ्यं समाचरेत् - अर्थात् दुष्ट (शठ) के साथ दुष्टता बर्तने में कोई बुराई नहीं । अफसोस, अंग्रेज हमें डरपोक और दब्बू बनाने के लिए लिखते रहे कि अशोक एक महान सम्राट था, और अकबर भी - अंग्रेज भला हमें श्रीकृष्ण की याद क्यों दिलाने लगे ? अशोक के दादा चन्द्रगुप्त मौर्य का बनाया हुआ इतना बड़ा साम्राज्य अशोक के मरते ही बिखर गया । राजा का धर्म राजधर्म होता है, एक साधु या भिक्षु बनना उसका काम नहीं - अशोक की यही गलती थी । अंग्रेज हमें महात्मा बुद्ध की याद दिलाते रहे कि 'अहिंसा परमो धर्म:' - जबकि अहिंसा की परिभाषा बहुत कम लोगों को पता है । कोई तुम्हें थप्पड़ मारे तो दूसरा गाल आगे कर देना अहिंसा नहीं, कायरता है । एक पड़ौसी दुष्ट देश हमें थप्पड़ मारे जा रहा है और हमारे नेता चुप बैठे हैं । श्रीकृष्ण की मानो - कुचल डालो उस जहरीले नाग का फन - लातों के भूत बातों से नहीं मानते ।

चन्द्रवंशी पांडव भी जाट ही थे। युद्ध से बचने के लिए युधिष्ठिर ने जो पांच गाँव दुर्योधन से मांगे थे, वे ये थे : इन्द्रप्रस्थ (दिल्ली - पुराना किला), पणप्रस्थ (पानीपत), सोनप्रस्थ (सोनीपत), तिलप्रस्थ (तिलपत - हरयाणा) और व्यागप्रस्थ (बाघपत) - (पढ़िये लक्ष्मण बुरड़क जी की यह पोस्ट (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=124560#post124560))। हम जाटों में श्रीकृष्ण की आत्मा बसती है, पर हम सभी एक जैसे सौभाग्यशाली नहीं - कुछों को भीम की गदा तो याद रही (आपस में झगड़ने के लिए) पर मुरली वाले की मधुर तान और उसकी मधुर बातें याद नहीं रहीं । उनकी वाणी पढ़ो, उनकी मूर्ति रखने की जरूरत नहीं पड़ेगी । लोग घरों में गीता तो रख लेते हैं पर सिर्फ सजा कर रखने या कभी-कभी उस पर हाथ रखकर ‘कसम खाने’ के लिए - पढ़ते नहीं उसे । भगवद-गीता और कुछ नहीं, वेदव्यास की महाभारत का ही एक अध्याय है । पंडित बहका देते हैं कि महाभारत घर में मत रखो, कलह और झगड़ा हो जायेगा । वैसे कौन सा कम हो रहा है ? अगर महाभारत का एक छोटा सा हिस्सा (गीता) घर में रख लेते हो तो भला पूरी किताब को रखने से कौन सा अशुभ काम हो जायेगा ?

उस मुरली वाले जैसा राजनीतिज्ञ, कूटनीति विशेषज्ञ, योगी और राजा शायद आज तक दूसरा नहीं हुआ - एक ही आदमी में इतने सारे गुण ! बोलो योगिराज श्रीकृष्ण की जय !

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deepakchoudhry

February 26th, 2007, 04:12 AM

Deswal Ji,

Ram aur Krishn kay anek matlab hai, Jo apnay likhay woh bhi theek hai.

Vedon main Jo ram aur krishn ka jikr hai woh aaj kay yug main jaanay walay krishn aur raam say nahin hai.

Hamray dharam grantho main jo baat likhi hai, Jo dikhti woh nahin hai. Per log sirf upari upari baat per dhyaan dete hain aur mainay bhi kaafi samay tak yeh hi kiya.

To undertsand Vedas it will take atleast 20 yrs full time study. In ancient time children used to start at the age of 8.

Nowadays we see various Guru's preaching on TV and I dont know how many of them have actually read vedas. Everyone has started their own thing according to their own agendas, anyway paapi peth ka sawaal hai isliye sab kuch karna padta hai.

Regards,

Deepak

cooljat

February 26th, 2007, 10:55 AM

nice reading dnd uncle
thanks a lot for the post!

Rock on!
Jit

rajeshrathee

February 27th, 2007, 04:37 AM

Nice research work DND ji
Keep the good work continues

bsiwach

February 27th, 2007, 11:08 PM

[ ! बोलो योगिराज श्रीकृष्ण की जय !

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Deswal Sir,

Thank you so much, this is really Great!

Regards
Birender Siwach

samranwa

February 28th, 2007, 07:38 PM

thanks sir
it was really good

regards
sam

dndeswal

March 1st, 2007, 01:37 AM

Deswal Ji,

Vedon main Jo ram aur krishn ka jikr hai woh aaj kay yug main jaanay walay krishn aur raam say nahin hai.

Hamray dharam grantho main jo baat likhi hai, Jo dikhti woh nahin hai. Per log sirf upari upari baat per dhyaan dete hain aur mainay bhi kaafi samay tak yeh hi kiya.

To undertsand Vedas it will take atleast 20 yrs full time study. In ancient time children used to start at the age of 8.

Regards,

Deepak

Yes Deepak, most of us have not studied these books in our school syllabus. Who has got the time to read these in latter part of life? So, the so-called 'gurus' are reaping a rich harvest.

Vedas were written much before Rama and Krishna and naturally, they do not contain any mention of these characters. Indeed, these verses do not contain any history. Only Western scholars tend to search history in Vedas. The scholars like Maxmueller have translated wrong or assumed meanings - such as 'Ashavamedh Yajna' - which has been described by some of them as "to sacrifice a horse into the holy fire of Yajna". We all know the meaning of this word - the ancient king used to let his horse loose to win the territory.
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deepakchoudhry

March 1st, 2007, 03:47 AM

Posted Twice in error - Pls See below

deepakchoudhry

March 1st, 2007, 03:49 AM

Deswaj Ji,

Vedas misinterpreted not only by Westerners but by Indians Scholars too.

We are contantly told that not to study vedas they are hard or not practical in this day and age, Aur yeh bhi Bolte hai kya sanyasi banana hai, yeh kaam tho retirement kay hai, lekin budapay main kya fayda jab poori zindagi ultay sidhay kaam kiye.

Vedic knowledge is a complete science and in no way does contridicts normal life.

Yogiraj Krishn ki baat kar rahe hai toh aap ko pata hi hoga ki Vey bhi vedon kay maha pandit the unhone Sandeepan Muni say Vedon kya gyan pya tha.

Usi Prakar Shri Ram bhi Vedon kay param gyani thay.

Isliye Donoh hi poojnayi hai.

Deepak
PS: Ashwa also means nation and Ashwamedha means serving or doing the welfare of the nation.

pmalhan

March 1st, 2007, 02:52 PM

Thank you DND ji,
nice reading

VirenderNarwal

April 7th, 2007, 03:23 PM

Aap ne jo Shree Krishna Ji ke bare m itna parkash dala hai..vakie apne ko malum nahi tha ji.......ye jan kar mahre bhi andhera dur ho gya hai ji. Aap ne kum sabdo m jo itna jayda batlaya diya uske liye aap dhanyawad ke kabil hai ji...aur ye soudh aap ki kabliyat sabit kar rahi hai ji. ES Jatland ki liye aap ek bahumulaya vayakti hai ji.

YE dekh kar dukh hotta hai k itni badhiya thread per Jatlanders kutch nahi kah rahe hai aur meaningless threads per likhte rahte hai ?

Aasha rakhte hai ki aap aage bhi likhte rahenge aur Jatlanders ki nai aur purani pidhi ka samanya gyan badhate rahenge.

dndeswal

July 1st, 2007, 02:40 PM

smeker

July 1st, 2007, 04:07 PM

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In this thread, I have mentioned that Chandravanshi Pandavas were members of Jat clan. I forgot to mention that Shrikrishna was also a Jat. There have been discussions on this aspect in some other threads. Please see the following page of Jatland Wiki which clearly mentions Shrikrishna being a jat:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Krishna (http://www.jatland.com/home/Krishna)
I have a qwestion for you.What purusha medha mean in reality? Id read that mean human sacrifice.Is a misstranslation again?

Can you make a short description of lord Krishna life?LIke were he was born.Were he lived.He realy had a blue skin?:eek:
In Geeta Krishna is describe as the most intimate aspect of God.In fact the esence of God.
Hare Krishna.

ranvirsingh

July 1st, 2007, 04:34 PM

Below is copy paste from Jatland Wiki in which it is written that Krishna had 16,108 wives and each wife had 10 sons and one daughter, that is 11 children from each wife, that is 177188 children. Oops! Did not Krishna do anything except sleeping with his wives all the time! Unbleievable! Unbelieveable! Even if Krishna spent one hour for the procreation activity per child, then he spent 7383.83 days just for producing children which comes out to be 20.23 years. And well that is possible only if he could guess when is the right time!

I was surprised to hear that Gandhari had 100 sons but this is something too much! Looks like the Mahabharat period was too fertile!

And well he was greatest YOGI of all times !!! Indeed HE was!!!

If there is any other explanation to this please be kind enough to share.

Here is the copy paste...

Wives of Krishna
Krishna (http://www.jatland.com/home/Krishna) had 16,108 wives. Krishna (http://www.jatland.com/home/Krishna) married Rukmini, daughter of King Bhishmaka of Vidarbha. He also married Mitrabinda, Satyabhama, Jambavati and others, winning each by great deeds; and another time, when a demon named Bhaumasura carried off and concealed many thousand princesses, Krishna pursued and slew him, and received these also into his house. Each of his wives had ten sons and one daughter. While Krishna was ruling at Dwaraka, Duryodhana was oppressing the Pandavas at Hastinapur (http://www.jatland.com/w/index.php?title=Hastinapur&action=edit) and sought to compass their death. Krishna (http://www.jatland.com/home/Krishna) and Balarama went to give them help, and it was while Krishna was the Pandavas’ guest that he married Kalindi, daughter of Sun.[3] (http://www.jatland.com/home/Krishna#_note-1)

dndeswal

July 1st, 2007, 07:29 PM

Below is copy paste from Jatland Wiki in which it is written that Krishna had 16,108 wives and each wife had 10 sons and one daughter, that is 11 children from each wife, that is 177188 children. Oops! Did not Krishna do anything except sleeping with his wives all the time! Unbleievable! Unbelieveable! Even if Krishna spent one hour for the procreation activity per child, then he spent 7383.83 days just for producing children which comes out to be 20.23 years. And well that is possible only if he could guess when is the right time!

I was surprised to hear that Gandhari had 100 sons but this is something too much! Looks like the Mahabharat period was too fertile!

And well he was greatest YOGI of all times !!! Indeed HE was!!!

If there is any other explanation to this please be kind enough to share.

Thank you for pointing out this fact. I am not the author of this page. This seems to have been inserted from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which is free for anyone to add text or edit. On Jatland, this page was perhaps inserted at the start of the site, I intend to do necessary corrections in due course. Old books including Mahabharata, have been wrongly translated or interpreted elsewhere. For example, Sanskrit word ‘Praja’ (प्रजा) has two meanings – the “son/daughter” and “the masses” or citizens of a particular kingdom. Maybe, the small kingdom of Krishna used to have that many masses or ‘Praja’ which seems to have wrongly been translated as "sons and daughters". English word "Father" also has several meanings - when we call Gandhiji as "Father of the Nation", it has a different meaning, as we all know. I have myself said in the article, there are many myths about Krishna which are not at all true but just imaginations of different poets and authors spread over several centuries. There is need to treat him as an ordinary human being like all of us (though having exceptional qualities), rather than portraying his Godly or "Brahm-Avtar" image which only makes him an 'imaginary character' in the eyes of historians.
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ranvirsingh

July 2nd, 2007, 01:23 AM

Thanks a lot Deswalji.

dndeswal

September 4th, 2007, 10:50 PM

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Today, on the occasion of birthday of ShriKrishna (Janamashtmi), I thought it fit to revive this thread, posted earlier. Long live Yogiraj Krishna and his teachings !
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bsiwach

September 5th, 2007, 12:17 PM

I agree with Deswal Ji,

Shri Krishan was an ordinary man like us with exceptional qualities and certainly the best Yogi of all time.

But the issue is that most of the people read what is written or interpreted (as explained by Shri Deswal Ji) and after reading that some people make him a imaginary character,

and the other lot (who apply logic to what is written) think that it is impossible to have a imaginary character like this and just feel it is a story.

But if we dig in more we will find that people like Shri krishan actually happened, and they made themselves perfect by practicing YOGA and Veds.
and any perfection can be assumed closest to the GOD.

And kind of distorted culture we have nowadays, it is quite natural that we can only imagine that these types of people if actually happened must be God/or it is fictitious story.

I would request Deswal Ji write more about Shri Krishan ji and Mahrishi Dyanand Ji.

Regards
Birender Siwach

chhillar

September 5th, 2007, 11:54 PM

Shri Krishan was an ordinary man like us with exceptional qualities and certainly the best Yogi of all time.

very oxymoronic :):)

devdahiya

September 6th, 2007, 08:10 AM

DND ji aur te berra na par Vocabulary mhari jarrur develop kar dyoge aap.Thanks! I agree with the thought that He indeed was a great Yogi.

sunitahooda

September 6th, 2007, 05:11 PM

Atyuttam:)

skarmveer

September 6th, 2007, 05:18 PM

dkumars

November 27th, 2007, 08:46 PM

Bahut bahut dhanyawad sir... Bahut si nayi baatein pata lagi jaise na nou man tel hoga na radha naachegi ki shuaat... 5 gaon paandawo ke aur bhi bahut kuch...
par dilli, sonepat, paanipat, baaghpat ho gaya toh haryana ka matlab ??? i mean jo bachha hua 5va gaaon ka matlab haryana... ye kaise ??? paanipat aur sonepat bhi toh haryana mein hi hai????
Thoda prakash daaliye iss par bhi
Aur aapne bahut sundar likha hai... aap yahan prashansha ke hakdaar hai
Thanks a lot once again for sharing ur treasure:)

dkumars

November 28th, 2007, 02:22 PM

dndeswal

December 6th, 2007, 08:31 PM

Really sad ... no one gives importance to real stuff...
sab sundu aur humour mein ghoom kar bhaag jaate hai...
And really DND ji mujhe kai baat bada ajeeb lagta hai ki aap hindi mein itni muchkil se type karte hai aur log kahin aur hi vyasth rehte hai... ek nazar bhi nahi daalte:(

कोई ना देवेन्द्र, श्रीकृष्ण के बारे में पढ़ कर किसी को क्या मिलेगा ? इस बारे में तो कोई किसी General Knowledge के पेपर में भी सवाल नहीं पूछता - यह जरूर पूछ लेते हैं कि Lincoln कौन था और नेहरू का जन्म कब हुआ था । आजकल की स्कूली शिक्षा ही ऐसी हो गई है ।

हां, हिन्दी वाली बात तो ठीक है । अगर इस हिन्दी का कमाल ही देखना हो तो Jatland wiki में "Books on Jat History" - Arya Samaj Literature के ये पेज देखो, जो मैने ही तैयार किये हैं :

रामप्रसाद 'बिस्मिल' की आत्मकथा (http://www.jatland.com/home/%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A 4%B0%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6_%27%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4 %BF%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B2%2 7_%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%80_%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E 0%A4%AE%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%BE)

आर्य्योद्देश्यरत्*नमाला (http://www.jatland.com/home/%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8D%E0%A 4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87% E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5 %8D%E2%80%8D%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2%E 0%A4%BE_%28%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0 %A4%B7%E0%A4%BF_%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4% A8%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A6_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%B0%E 0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%80_%E0%A4 %A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE_% E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A4%B2%E0%A 4%98%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%82% E0%A4%A5%29)

गोकरुणानिधि (http://www.jatland.com/home/%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%81%E0%A 4%A3%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BF_ %28%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%E 0%A4%BF_%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4 %A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A6_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B8% E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%80_%E0%A4%A6%E0%A 5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%B0 %E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%98%E0% A5%81%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A5 %29)

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vijay

December 6th, 2007, 09:39 PM

Please tell us more about Shri Krishna like where he born? who are the family members ? where he got his education? why and when he killed Kans or its wrong? who was the yog guru of shri Krishana. How was an ordniery person
converted into a great King, A great Yogi and a great Politician. If he forsee
the disaster of Dwarka why he died by a bheel,s teer. Their is so maney contradictions in your post also. Please guide me about the above quiries and oblige.

With Regards

I believe almost everybody had read the story where Sri Krishna was born. His family members, Education. Why he killed Kans ? etc etc....

What part he played in Mahabharta tells us about his diplomatic and political traits ?

If you are still unaware about that then it's bad and maybe you need to look into some lierature before starting any argument here.

Great Kings were ordinary men and ordinary men were great Kings.

How did Nostredamus saw his end ? Now plz don't ask who was Nostredamus ?

fundcom

December 8th, 2007, 12:52 AM

Good article indeed.

I agree that lots of translation are wrong and are done by purpose. Other religion play very big role in this.

Just for your information that if you want any religous scripture than please make sure they are either from Gita Press or Iskcon.

They are equally good though Shrila Prabhupada Ji went into little more detail but authenticity is same.

We have to be very carefull these days and these missionaries are trying their best these days to tarnish the image. We have one lady in India and her name is Sonia Gandhi who herself is catholic and chairman also. She is good friend of Benny Hinn. So these people have big interest in India. Read about "Project Joshua" on google and you will find out what these people have been trying.

This is just for your awareness.

Regards
Surinder Singh

skarmveer

December 8th, 2007, 12:03 PM

sanjay4

December 8th, 2007, 12:36 PM

Deswal Ji,

Really its nice to know more about Shri Krishna, Please write some more articles on Shri Krishna

dndeswal

December 17th, 2007, 08:01 PM

Shri Krishna or Radha je key Vishaya mian jo hamney padha hai usmian kanhi nahi likha kee Radha eak nachaney waali thee or shri krishana eak aam insaan they. Or agar unhee shri krishana key vishya mein baat ho rahi hai to jinkey vishya main mainey bhee padha hai to bhai mian bh kuchh naya janna chahta hun ismain aapko koi aapatti nahi honi chahiya or agar aapko pata hai to aap bata do kee...

लिखने को तो बहुत कुछ लिखा गया है उनके बारे में, कुछ सच और बहुत कुछ काल्पनिक या झूठ भी । उनकी 'रास-लीला', राधा के साथ प्रेम सम्बन्ध, गोवर्धन पर्वत को उठाना - वेदव्यास की महाभारत में इन सब बातों का कहीं जिक्र नहीं है । वेदव्यास की महाभारत 5100 साल पुरानी है । सिर्फ पांच सौ साल पहले कवि सूरदास ने 'सूरसागर' लिखा जो काफी पढ़ा जा रहा है, उसमें उनके बचपन की अठखेलियों के बारे में कविता के रूप में लिखा गया है । पर क्या हम इसे असलियत या इतिहास मान लें ?

Itnwey badey Yogi ko ladkee nachaker bheed ikathee karney kee kya avashayakta thee ?

पहले भी जनसभाऐं इकट्ठी करने के लिए कुछ न कुछ मनोरंजन के साधन प्रयोग करने पड़ते थे, आज भी ऐसा ही है । श्रीकृष्ण भी अपनी जवानी में देहातों में जनसभाएं बुलाते रहे थे ताकि जनता को जरासंध के बारे में जानकारी दी जा सके और नौजवानों को इकट्ठा करके उस पर हमला करवाया जा सके । राधा के नृत्य का जादू बड़ी भीड़ इकट्ठी करने में सहायक बना ।

Jo yogi yea jaan sakta hai kee dawarka per itnee badee vipatti aaneywali hai or usney perja ko bacha liya wo yea keu nahi dekh paya kee usey yudh mein haar ker bhagna padega.

कोई भी आदमी बचपन से ही गुणी, पढ़ा-लिखा या योगी नहीं होता - उम्र के साथ-साथ ये गुण उसमें आते जाते हैं, अपनी मेहनत से । जब कंसवध कराया गया तो श्रीकृष्ण की उम्र 30-32 साल के करीब रही होगी और इतनी छोटी उम्र में वे इतने बड़े योगी नहीं बने थे । सतत अभ्यास द्वारा, आयु बढ़ने के साथ ही उनकी योगसाधना भी तीव्र होती गई और वे 'योगिराज' कहलाये ।

अगर हम यह मान लें कि श्रीकृष्ण 'भगवान' का अवतार थे, तो भी यही सवाल उठेगा कि आखिर उसने युद्ध होने ही क्यों दिया, उसने दुर्योधन आदि दुष्*टों को पैदा ही क्यों होने दिया ? आखिर भगवान को तो आगे का हाल भी पता होता है, अगर ऐसा नहीं तो फिर श्रीकृष्ण को क्यों 'भगवान' कहा जाये?

Dusro ko maut key munh senikalney wala aapne moput kee barey mian nahi jaan paya keu ?

मौत तो सभी की आनी है । उनकी भी मौत आयी जब वे योगमुद्रा में लीन थे, या यूं कहिये कि बेहोश थे, तभी एक शिकारी का तीर उनको लगा । मौत तो बहाना लेकर ही आती है । श्रीकृष्ण चाहे बड़े योगी रहे हों, पर थे तो एक आम इंसान ही - और जीवन-मृत्यु से तो आम आदमी का वास्ता होता ही है !
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vijay

December 17th, 2007, 09:34 PM

Shri Krishna or Radha je key Vishaya mian jo hamney padha hai usmian kanhi nahi likha kee Radha eak nachaney waali thee or shri krishana eak aam insaan they. Or agar unhee shri krishana key vishya mein baat ho rahi hai to jinkey vishya main mainey bhee padha hai to bhai mian bh kuchh naya janna chahta hun ismain aapko koi aapatti nahi honi chahiya or agar aapko pata hai to aap bata do kee...

Itnwey badey Yogi ko ladkee nachaker bheed ikathee karney kee kya avashayakta thee ?

Jo yogi yea jaan sakta hai kee dawarka per itnee badee vipatti aaneywali hai or usney perja ko bacha liya wo yea keu nahi dekh paya kee usey yudh mein haar ker bhagna padega.

Dusro ko maut key munh senikalney wala aapne moput kee barey mian nahi jaan paya keu ?

Bhai sahab mein to aagayanee hun aap hee mera gyan badhain Please..

With Regards

करमवीर भाई साहब,

मुझे पता नहीं आपने कहाँ कहाँ श्रीकृष्ण के बारे में पढ़ा है ! उनके बारे में हजारों पुस्तके लिखी गई है कुछ इतिहास को आधार मान कर और शेष उन्हें एक काल्पनिक व्यक्तितव समझ कर ( या यूं कहिये भगवान् मानकर ) ! कथाकारों को उनका व्यक्तितव हमेशा से ही आकर्षित करता रहा है और उनके जीवन के विभिन्न प्रसंगों को हमेशा अपने अपने ढंग से प्रस्तुत करते रहे हैं .... लेकिन हम इसे सच नहीं मान सकते ! सच वही है जो महाभारत जैसे ग्रंथो में लिखा है या जिन लोगो ने उन पर शोधकार्य करके लिखा है नाकि काव्यात्मक कवितायें या उनका भगवान् की तरह गुणगान !

एक साधारण इंसान थे जिनमे असाधारण गुण थे ! उनके मित्र एवं रिश्तेदार उन्हें एक समझदार और सूझबूझ वाला इंसान मानते थे नाकि भगवान् का एक अवतार ! पांडव भी उन्हें भाई की तरह मानते और संबोधित करते थे ! उम्र में वो युधिष्ठर और भीम से छोटे थे और अर्जुन, नकुल और सहदेव से बडे ! पांडव ये मानते थे की श्री कृष्ण बहुत चतुर और गुणी इंसान है इसीलिए हमेशा उनकी बात मानते थे और उनसे सहायता की अपेक्षा रखते थे !

(अगर आप श्री कृष्ण के बारे में और ज्यादा जानना कहते हैं तो में आपको एक पुस्तक पढने की सलाह दूंगा
कृष्णावतार - खंड १ से ७
लेखक - कन्हैयालाल माणिकलाल मुंशी
इस पुस्तक में आपको ऐसी छोटी छोटी जानकारी मिलेगी जो अपने शायद कहीं नहीं पढी होगी )

योगी लोगो को बहुत बार घटनाओं का पूर्वाभास हो जाता है ! क्या कई बार हमें नहीं होता ! क्या हमें कई बार ये महसूस नहीं होता की आज कुछ ग़लत होने वाला है या फ़िर कुछ अच्छा होने वाला है ! योगियों को हमसे ज्यादा पूर्वाभास होता है !

बात रही युद्ध में हारने की .. तो में ये कहूँगा कि बहुत बार हारने वाले को पक्का पता होता है कि युद्ध में हार होने वाली है लेकिन फ़िर भी मान मर्यादा या मजबूरी में लड़ना पड़ता है !

उनका लक्ष्य बुराई को समाप्त करना था किसी भी तरीके से ! जब श्री कृष्ण जरासंध को युद्ध में नहीं हरा सके तो उनके चतुराई से काम लिया ! भीम, अर्जुन और स्वयं श्री कृष्ण जरासंध की नगरी में गए और मल्लयुद्ध के लिए ललकारा ! यहाँ भी उन्होंने चतुराई दिखाई ... उन्होंने कहा "ऐ जरासंध, या तो अपनी हार मान ले या फ़िर हम तीनो में से किसी एक के साथ मल्लयुद्ध कर". वो ये जानते थे कि जरासंध घमंडी है और दंभ के कारण सबसे बलशाली भीम को ही मल्लयुद्ध के लिए चुनेगा ! ऐसा ही हुआ और भीम ने उसे मौत के घाट उतार दिया ! इस तरह एक पापी का अंत हुआ !

अब उनके अंत के बारे में !
जैसा कि पहले बताया वो एक साधारण इंसान थे ! असाधारण शक्तियां होते हुए भी उन्होंने साधारण इंसान की तरह ज़िंदगी को जिया ! उन्होंने अपने जीवन के लक्ष्य पूरे कर लिए थे और सिर्फ़ साधना में लीन रहते थे ! और एक साधारण इंसान की तरह उनका अंत हुआ !

dndeswal

December 17th, 2007, 09:54 PM

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जैसा कि विजय ने लिखा है - सिद्धयोगियों को कुछ घटनाओं का पूर्वाभास हो जाता है (कुछ थोड़ा सा कभी कभी हमें भी हो जाता है) - अंग्रेजी में इस गुण को 'intution' कहते हैं । मैं महर्षि दयानन्द की जीवनी पढ़ रहा था जो लाला लाजपत राय ने लिखी है । स्वामी दयानन्द भी एक सिद्धयोगी थे । एक बार एक घर में प्रवचन कर रहे थे कि अचानक चिल्ला पड़े - जल्दी बाहर निकलो - मकान की छत गिरने वाली है । सब जैसे ही बाहर आए, मकान की छत गिर पड़ी ।
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fundcom

December 18th, 2007, 12:06 AM

If anything is written about Thankur Ji (Shri Krishna Ji) and if it heard from authority or read from authority then it is not wrong.

It is said even in Gita where Shri Krishna says that only intelligent people will surrender to me. So if one who does not belive in it is not something knew.

Raeding from authority (Gita - Abstract of all Ved, Puran, Upnishad). If somebody wants to read about the Ras-Lila then it is mentioned in Shrimad Bhagwatam. There is a one major difference between Shri Mad-Bhagvatam and rest of the granths. The difference is that Shri Mad Bhagvatan is about Lord and his divotees passtime (Lila). Somebody had a question that Ras Lila is not mentioned in Mahabharat. Yes it is not. Ras-Lila is only mentioned in Shri-Mad Bhagavatan. Why?

You must inquire about a sanvad (Dialog) betweem Ved Vyas JI and Narad Muni JI. After the dialog Shri Mad Bhagvatam ki rachna took place. Every granth had different significance and it is very well structured. Even Bhagvat Gita is not part of Mahabharat even though it was explained to Arjuna during the war. It is not krishna who initiated the war, as a lord he knew what is going to happen. Most of the Kauravs were killed with a very Adharmi (do not know the good word in english) way. Why? This is the question one must ask himself. She Krishna also said in the Gita that Hey Arjuna, whatever I am explaining to you is not something new. I have been explaining this to demigood Surya for millions of years.

Sanatam dharma is very complex and vast and very simple at the same time if you love it. One must be very intellgent to understand and surrender to it. Lord was not killed but lord found that as a opputunity and left the material world as Balrama was already gone and Yadu vansh was amost gone. Lord appeard not for playing hockey or cricket. He came to show the what was about come (KaliYuga). One must also read the Kunti Devi Ki Prarthana in Shri Mad Bhagvatam. It talks about the Love of Lord. Mahabharata was created for Murkh, Nari, Vaishya, Shudra, Shatriya. It was never created for intlligent people. Intelligent mean who poses the knowledge about granths. There are 12K shlokas in Shri Mad Bhagvatam. Buy it only from Gita Press Gorakhpur or Iskcon and consult very higley qualified Guru ji who does not expect any material benefit from you. You start finding one today and Lord will arrange for you in no time. You must have trust on him. Lord did not help Drupadi until she raised both the hands. So remember that you have to raise both the hands, which means comple surrender.

Jai Shri Krishna.

Regards.
SSC.

pscil

December 18th, 2007, 03:10 AM

All this grammar about shri krishan is good but look what vivekanand said in the summary of the gita "Fear is the basis of all evil and I add this from myself that the basis of fear is the anxiety of the future and the regret of the past. So jats be fearless as the first step, rest we can manage.

Parvir Singh Dalal

gauravchaudhary

December 18th, 2007, 07:53 PM

Scientific enquiry to Indian History has not been able to prove eistence of Ram or Krishna.The accepted view among academia is that they are mythical creations.

dndeswal

December 18th, 2007, 09:32 PM

somebody wants to read about the Ras-Lila then it is mentioned in Shrimad Bhagwatam. There is a one major difference between Shri Mad-Bhagvatam and rest of the granths. The difference is that Shri Mad Bhagvatan is about Lord and his divotees passtime (Lila). Somebody had a question that Ras Lila is not mentioned in Mahabharat. Yes it is not. Ras-Lila is only mentioned in Shri-Mad Bhagavatan. Why?

You must inquire about a sanvad (Dialog) betweem Ved Vyas JI and Narad Muni JI. After the dialog Shri Mad Bhagvatam ki rachna took place. Every granth had different significance and it is very well structured. Even Bhagvat Gita is not part of Mahabharat even though it was explained to Arjuna during the war. ....

Sanatam dharma is very complex and vast and very simple at the same time if you love it. One must be very intellgent to understand and surrender to it. Lord was not killed but lord found that as a opputunity and left the material world as Balrama was already gone and Yadu vansh was amost gone. Lord appeard not for playing hockey or cricket. He came to show the what was about come (KaliYuga). One must also read the Kunti Devi Ki Prarthana in Shri Mad Bhagvatam. It talks about the Love of Lord. Mahabharata was created for Murkh, Nari, Vaishya, Shudra, Shatriya. It was never created for intlligent people. Intelligent mean who poses the knowledge about granths. There are 12K shlokas in Shri Mad Bhagvatam. Buy it only from Gita Press Gorakhpur or Iskcon and consult very higley qualified Guru ji who does not expect any material benefit from you. You start finding one today and Lord will arrange for you in no time.
Regards.
SSC.

Bravo - great findings by you and your guruji !! When was this "Srimad Bhagvatgeetam" was written and by whom? There are plenty of such bogus pieces of literature. Who says Bhagvatgeeta is not part of Mahabharata? It is nothing but a tiny chapter of Mahabharata, though published separately by booksellers.

This "Narad Muni" is a pouranik, totally imaginary character.

The so-called Sanatan Dharma is nothing but a superstitious culture preached later by greedy Brahmins. Jats are inheritors of true Vedic Culture, not this type of 'Sanatan Dharma'.

Scientific enquiry to Indian History has not been able to prove eistence of Ram or Krishna.The accepted view among academia is that they are mythical creations.

And Western historians have not been able to prove scientific existence of Jesus Christ, who is stated to be in existence just 2000 years ago. How can a child take birth from the womb of a virgin girl (Virgin Mary) ? Is Christ not a pure mythical creation?
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fundcom

December 19th, 2007, 04:36 AM

Uncle Ji!

You accepted Vedic Culture.This will do for me.

I still do not have a Guru Ji. Otherwise I would have replied in much more detail. Second I do not have a courage to denounce any relegious scripture with the conviction as you have done. I just been to Purshottam Dham (Puri) and Badri Ashram (Badri nath) few times and learned these few things there. I still say that my understanding is close to zero.

Yes I do agree that brahmans have destroyed lot of things just for dominance. Earlier society was devided by class not by cast. Today a person born in brahaman kula is doing shudra activities.

Though I said Sanatan Dharma but i know that vedic Culture is before that and much stronger. I just wrote it.

Shrmad Bhagvatan is also known as a Bhagavad Purana. You must inquire about it if there is a need about it in your to know about RasLila (Lord's passtime).

Jai Shri krishna.
SSC

jitendershooda

December 19th, 2007, 11:59 AM

Scientific enquiry to Indian History has not been able to prove eistence of Ram or Krishna.The accepted view among academia is that they are mythical creations.

http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/national/general/5_1_3908871.html

Here one thing Ravi Shankar quoted well, "
शोध से संबंधित प्रस्तुतिकरण के बाद इसका सीडी एवं वेबसाइट लांच करते हुए श्री श्री रविशंकर ने कहा कि हमारे देश को ऐसे वैज्ञानिक शोधों की आवश्यकता है, जो सिलसिलेवार तथ्यों पर आधारित हों और हमारी हमारी प्राचीन परंपराओं का खुलासा करते हों। लोगों से ऐसे शोधों को प्रोत्साहन देने की अपील करते हुए श्री श्री रविशंकर ने कहा कि हमें ऐसे तथ्यों के आधार पर दूसरों के सामने अपनी बात रखनी चाहिए। अन्यथा लोग हमारे इतिहास को पौराणिक कहानियां ही बताते रहेंगे। गौरतलब है कि कुछ वर्ष पूर्व वाराणसी स्थित श्रीमद् आद्यजगद्गुरु शंकराचार्य शोध संस्थान के संस्थापक स्वामी ज्ञानानंद सरस्वती ने भी अनेक संस्कृत ग्रंथों के आधार पर राम और कृष्ण की ऐतिहासिकता को स्थापित करने का दावा किया था। "

skarmveer

December 19th, 2007, 12:30 PM

Bhai Vijay je or Sh. Deshwal Jee,

meinney aap say nivedan kiya tha kee kirpya Shree Krishan key Janm say prarambh karkey short mein kewal itna bata dein kee jo unkey janm kee katha hum padhtey hain wo sahi hai kya? unka janm Karagar mein hua tha kya, unkey mata Kans kee bahan thee kya ? Maha bharat satya hai kya ? or sabsay jyada utsukta ka visay eak sadharn insaan mein itney assadhran gun kesay aaye.

Aapney Krishanavtar book key vishay mein likha hai wo bhee main avashay padhunga parantoo aabhee key liyea kirpya itna bata dain.

Aapkey utter kee pratiksha main.
Karmveer

करमवीर भाई साहब,

मुझे पता नहीं आपने कहाँ कहाँ श्रीकृष्ण के बारे में पढ़ा है ! उनके बारे में हजारों पुस्तके लिखी गई है कुछ इतिहास को आधार मान कर और शेष उन्हें एक काल्पनिक व्यक्तितव समझ कर ( या यूं कहिये भगवान् मानकर ) ! कथाकारों को उनका व्यक्तितव हमेशा से ही आकर्षित करता रहा है और उनके जीवन के विभिन्न प्रसंगों को हमेशा अपने अपने ढंग से प्रस्तुत करते रहे हैं .... लेकिन हम इसे सच नहीं मान सकते ! सच वही है जो महाभारत जैसे ग्रंथो में लिखा है या जिन लोगो ने उन पर शोधकार्य करके लिखा है नाकि काव्यात्मक कवितायें या उनका भगवान् की तरह गुणगान !

एक साधारण इंसान थे जिनमे असाधारण गुण थे ! उनके मित्र एवं रिश्तेदार उन्हें एक समझदार और सूझबूझ वाला इंसान मानते थे नाकि भगवान् का एक अवतार ! पांडव भी उन्हें भाई की तरह मानते और संबोधित करते थे ! उम्र में वो युधिष्ठर और भीम से छोटे थे और अर्जुन, नकुल और सहदेव से बडे ! पांडव ये मानते थे की श्री कृष्ण बहुत चतुर और गुणी इंसान है इसीलिए हमेशा उनकी बात मानते थे और उनसे सहायता की अपेक्षा रखते थे !

(अगर आप श्री कृष्ण के बारे में और ज्यादा जानना कहते हैं तो में आपको एक पुस्तक पढने की सलाह दूंगा
कृष्णावतार - खंड १ से ७
लेखक - कन्हैयालाल माणिकलाल मुंशी
इस पुस्तक में आपको ऐसी छोटी छोटी जानकारी मिलेगी जो अपने शायद कहीं नहीं पढी होगी )

योगी लोगो को बहुत बार घटनाओं का पूर्वाभास हो जाता है ! क्या कई बार हमें नहीं होता ! क्या हमें कई बार ये महसूस नहीं होता की आज कुछ ग़लत होने वाला है या फ़िर कुछ अच्छा होने वाला है ! योगियों को हमसे ज्यादा पूर्वाभास होता है !

बात रही युद्ध में हारने की .. तो में ये कहूँगा कि बहुत बार हारने वाले को पक्का पता होता है कि युद्ध में हार होने वाली है लेकिन फ़िर भी मान मर्यादा या मजबूरी में लड़ना पड़ता है !

उनका लक्ष्य बुराई को समाप्त करना था किसी भी तरीके से ! जब श्री कृष्ण जरासंध को युद्ध में नहीं हरा सके तो उनके चतुराई से काम लिया ! भीम, अर्जुन और स्वयं श्री कृष्ण जरासंध की नगरी में गए और मल्लयुद्ध के लिए ललकारा ! यहाँ भी उन्होंने चतुराई दिखाई ... उन्होंने कहा "ऐ जरासंध, या तो अपनी हार मान ले या फ़िर हम तीनो में से किसी एक के साथ मल्लयुद्ध कर". वो ये जानते थे कि जरासंध घमंडी है और दंभ के कारण सबसे बलशाली भीम को ही मल्लयुद्ध के लिए चुनेगा ! ऐसा ही हुआ और भीम ने उसे मौत के घाट उतार दिया ! इस तरह एक पापी का अंत हुआ !

अब उनके अंत के बारे में !
जैसा कि पहले बताया वो एक साधारण इंसान थे ! असाधारण शक्तियां होते हुए भी उन्होंने साधारण इंसान की तरह ज़िंदगी को जिया ! उन्होंने अपने जीवन के लक्ष्य पूरे कर लिए थे और सिर्फ़ साधना में लीन रहते थे ! और एक साधारण इंसान की तरह उनका अंत हुआ !

crsnadar

December 19th, 2007, 12:37 PM

Hare Krishna Shrimaan Ji..Hare Krishna

Bye the way...there is lot fo periodical difference between Sri Ram & Sri Krishna.

Almost 17Lkh or 1.7Lkh saal ka.

Sri Krishna ji ka time to almost 5000 yrs back ka hai....so we use to get so many evidences which empower our devoteeship.

Anyway
Geeta me Sri krishna Ji ne kaha hai
"..Karm karte jaao phal ki ichchha mat karo..."

So just doing that.

dkumars

December 19th, 2007, 12:52 PM

Hare Krishna Shrimaan Ji..Hare Krishna

Bye the way...there is lot fo periodical difference between Sri Ram & Sri Krishna.

Almost 17Lkh or 1.7Lkh saal ka. ???????????????????????????????????????

Sri Krishna ji ka time to almost 5000 yrs back ka hai....so we use to get so many evidences which empower our devoteeship.

Anyway
Geeta me Sri krishna Ji ne kaha hai
"..Karm karte jaao phal ki ichchha mat karo..."

So just doing that.
................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

arunshamli

December 19th, 2007, 05:51 PM

Karamveer ji,

If you are really "utsuk" knowing about Srikrishna, please study Mahabharat(Bhagwad Gita is a part of Mahabharat). Since you said you are really interested in knowing about Srikrishna, I am sure you will have time to read it.

Shri Krishna took birth from Devaki. He studied Vedas along-with Sudama in the ashram of Rishi Sandeepan. The great saints like Shri Ram, Shri Krishna, Swami Dayanand etc., are remembered only for their greatest deeds which they did for themselves as well as for public to maintain peace, to unite nation, to kill the sorrows of the public etc. They gave a lot of spiritual as well as knowledge of worldly pious duties etc. We remember them to follow their preach.

It is not important to know how Srikrishna was born and which school did he go to, as it is not going to serve any purpose. and there is no way to prove it. What is important is to try to follow his preach if one can.

vijay

December 20th, 2007, 07:13 PM

dndeswal

December 20th, 2007, 11:22 PM

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As Vijay has written above, scientific research is pointing to the correct time of Mahabharata period. On Shrikrishna’s birth, many stories erupted later on – such as prediction revealed to Kansa that Devki’s eighth son will cause his death, etc. etc. This does not match with original Mahabharat written by Vedvyas.

All over the world, scientific researches are going on about historical entities. German Scholar Holger Kersten has written that ‘original Jesus’ was a Buddhist and has little relation to Judaism. In 1983, Kersten wrote a book which became so popular that its English translation was published simultaneously in Britain, USA and Australia. It was translated in 15 more languages. Kersten did not write this book ‘Jesus in India’ overnight. From 1973 to 1983, he traveled extensively in India, Israel and Greece. He writes that Roman Catholic Church later made him a ‘Gospel of God’ in the same way as India’s Brahmins portrayed their own myths about ancient great men of India. See some links below:

http://www.tombofjesus.com/core/majorplayers/kersten.html (http://www.tombofjesus.com/core/majorplayers/kersten.html)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1852305509/insearcoftheloviA/ (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1852305509/insearcoftheloviA/)

In 2003, American writer Dan Brown wrote a novel called “The Vinci Code’ – later a feature film also appeared with the same name. Brown says "almost everything our fathers taught us about Christ is false." He writes that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had a son. All these scientifically proven facts do not match with Christian missionaries’ preaching and the Holy Bible.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/newsletter/2003/nov7.html (http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/newsletter/2003/nov7.html)

Are the incidents of Christ’s “reincarnation”, his taking birth from a ‘virgin mother’, his sainthood and unmarried life etc. true?

Let us also accept the fact that Shri Krishna was a real human being, a great man and not a mythical or Godly figure as portrayed in subsequent literature written by greedy Brahmins.

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fundcom

December 21st, 2007, 03:13 AM

Mere ko to lagta hai kee Dayanand Deswal Ji khud hee bhagwaan hai. Because he is renouncing everything with conviction after reading few books. And that is the problem today.

I would put these authers way-way below than Shri Krishnan Ji. And if that is the case why beleive anybody else. We better belive in the Lord who himself has recited Shri Gita to Arjuna. Why do we need anybody's clarification. And why do we need to compare west analogy with our way of leaving. I am been in the west for 15 years and they are still confused even after claiming they live in developed world. They have good system though which attracts people. They are still learning from Asia when comes to food and vegetables etc.

Back in old day we used have saying -

Daal Roti Khao, Prabhu ke Gun gao.

Aaj kal Daal=Butter Chicken Roti=Naan, Prabhu is Politician.

Everything is measured by bank balance. There is only one factor today to measur the success and that is bank balance and result is visible today. Execetptions are there. People do B.E., F.R.C.S., M.B.B.S etc and read lots of books because they are educated and reading becomes there interest. They only like which satisfy there material need. We have to understand the Shastras As It Is. No concession in understanding. I wish I can find somebody who can make me educate in these. Shri Bhagvat Gita was meant for Kali-Yuga where people will not have time read Ved etc. But it is visible that people want even Shri Gita on the Go.

Guru biana Gyan Nahi. Shatras are very complex.

ekam sastram Devaki-Putra-Gitam
eko devo Devaki-Putra eva

Nothing above Gita (abstract of Vedas, Puranas, Upnishad's) and will not accept anything below. Please do not ask for proof that Gita is not a abstract of Ved, Puran, Upnishad as I do not have.

Brahmins are not by cast or by birth, which I think you consider and that is why you have issues. The one who knows the absolute truth of Vedas is real Brahmin. They are not greedy. Finding them may be difficult if not impossible.

And if we beleive, for the God sake, in Bhagvat Gita or Mahabharat then Shri Krishanji himself said that -

Vasudev mAm iTi! He also said that surrender to me.
He says with conviction.

One has to surrender. If not now then in form of death. We must learn -
The Art of Dying (Hari ka Smaran) not The Art of leaving (Sansarik Bhog).

No author above Shastras.

SSC.

dndeswal

January 20th, 2008, 10:07 AM

Mere ko to lagta hai kee Dayanand Deswal Ji khud hee bhagwaan hai. Because he is renouncing everything with conviction after reading few books. And that is the problem today.

I would put these authers way-way below than Shri Krishnan Ji. And if that is the case why beleive anybody else. We better belive in the Lord who himself has recited Shri Gita to Arjuna. Why do we need anybody's clarification.
Back in old day we used have saying -

Daal Roti Khao, Prabhu ke Gun gao.

Aaj kal Daal=Butter Chicken Roti=Naan, Prabhu is Politician.

I wish I can find somebody who can make me educate in these. Shri Bhagvat Gita was meant for Kali-Yuga where people will not have time read Ved etc. But it is visible that people want even Shri Gita on the Go.

Guru biana Gyan Nahi. Shatras are very complex.

ekam sastram Devaki-Putra-Gitam
eko devo Devaki-Putra eva

Nothing above Gita (abstract of Vedas, Puranas, Upnishad's) and will not accept anything below. Please do not ask for proof that Gita is not a abstract of Ved, Puran, Upnishad as I do not have.

Brahmins are not by cast or by birth, which I think you consider and that is why you have issues. The one who knows the absolute truth of Vedas is real Brahmin. They are not greedy. Finding them may be difficult if not impossible.

And if we beleive, for the God sake, in Bhagvat Gita or Mahabharat then Shri Krishanji himself said that -

No author above Shastras.

SSC.

I find so many contradictions in this long post and do not feel to detail all these here. Shrikrishna did not have a voice-recorder or a video-camera or some reporter noting down all that in a notebook - that too in the battlefield. Gita is a short chapter of Mahabharata. Naturally, the author of Gita is VedVyas.

And there are many things above "Shastras". Logic is the key-word and any book or Shastra should face the test of logic - no blind-faith !
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pscil

January 21st, 2008, 03:13 PM

I find so many contradictions in this long post and do not feel to detail all these here. Shrikrishna did not have a voice-recorder or a video-camera or some reporter noting down all that in a notebook - that too in the battlefield. Gita is a short chapter of Mahabharata. Naturally, the author of Gita is VedVyas.

And there are many things above "Shastras". Logic is the key-word and any book or Shastra should face the test of logic - no blind-faith !
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but deshwalji logic and wisdom are not the same I hope you will agree with me on that.