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shobhitdeshwal
May 1st, 2007, 01:17 PM
The ideas on politics are within each of us..... By this thread I try to instigate the fire within..... To get the ideas out.... What is our view of this verb..... Which sort of runs the world.....

I am persuaded that there is absolutely no limit in the absurdity that can, by Government action, come to be generally believed. Give me an army, with power to provide it with more pay and better food than falls to the lot of the average man, and I will undertake, within thirty years, to make the majority believe that two and two are three, that water freezes when it get hots and boils when it gets cold, or any other nonsense that might seem to serve the interest of the state. Absurd! It sounds.. yes! But this is what politics means to me......

The world would be a happier place if acquisitiveness were always stronger than rivalry. But in fact, a great many men will cheerfully face impoverishment if they can thereby secure complete ruin of their rivals. Hence the present level of income tax!!!

If politics is to become scientific, and if the event is not to be constantly surprising, its imperative that our political thinking should penetrate more deeply into the springs of human action. What is the influence of hunger upon slogans? How does their effectiveness fluctuate with number of calories in your diet? If one man offers you democracy and another offers you a bag of grain, at what stage of starvation will you prefer grain over vote?

Most political leaders acquire their position by causing large numbers of people to believe that these leaders are actuated by altruistic desires. It is well understood that such a belief is more readily accepted under the influence of excitement, Brass bands, mob oratory, lynching, and war are stages in the development of the excitement. I suppose that the advocates of unreason think that their is a better chance of profitably deceiving the populace if they keep it in a state of effervescence. Anyone who thinks like this will be called unduly rational!!! But... This is what is Politics!!!

How long will it be before the accessible oil in the world is exhausted? Will all the arable land be turned into dust-bowls as it has been in large parts of the United States? Will the population increase to the point where men again, like their remote ancestors, have no leisure to think anything but food supply? Such questions are not to be decided by general philosophical reflections. Communists think that there will be plenty of oil; if there are no capitalists. Some religious people think that there will be plenty of food if we trust in providence. Such ideas are superficial.

We all know that the price of food goes up, but most of us attribute this to the wickedness of Government. If we live under a progressive Government, it makes us reactionary. If we live under a reactionary Government, it turns us into socialists. Both these reactions are superficial and frivolous. All Governments, whatever their political complexion, are at present willy-nilly in the grip of natural forces which can only be dealt with by a degree of intelligence of which mankind hitherto shown little evidence!!!

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Cheers!!

Shobhit Deshwal.

cooljat
May 1st, 2007, 01:39 PM
Worry comes from not facing unpleasent possibilties. A great many people enjoy war provided it is not in their neighbourhood and not too hard. If your head is cut off it immensely dimnishes your thinking power.

Its not the politicians bro.... Its us who need to be active in politicians.

how very truly said by you...Politics should go deep within the human spring.

Salutions to you,

Rock on
Jit

pnauhwar21
May 1st, 2007, 09:56 PM
Shobhit bhai, looks like Prof. Robert E. Egner is copying your thoughts on politics word by word :)

vijay
May 1st, 2007, 10:06 PM
Prashant Bhai, i am waiting since last one and half year that one day Shobhit will post something original written by himself. :)

shobhitdeshwal
May 1st, 2007, 10:59 PM
It was amusing to know..... That Prof. Bertrand Russell did not figure in!! Either Prof Egner is a copycat, or the ideas don't contain a word copied from anywhere!! As simple as it gets here....

Cheers!!

Shobhit Deshwal.



Shobhit bhai, looks like Prof. Robert E. Egner is copying your thoughts on politics word by word :)

pnauhwar21
May 1st, 2007, 11:15 PM
It was amusing to know..... That Prof. Bertrand Russell did not figure in!! Either Prof Egner is a copycat, or the ideas don't contain a word copied from anywhere!! As simple as it gets here....

Cheers!!

Shobhit Deshwal.

Nope .. he had the temerity to mention Bertrand Russell's name right above his article..he probably missed yours !!

http://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/br-best-politics.html

Anyway, the aim is not to pick at you but please be audacious enough to give due to the original writer and give your thoughts to the topic - that will make the topic worth discussing..

kabir
May 2nd, 2007, 12:48 AM
.......I am supremely confident that there is not a single seminal or innovative idea in either one of them. Enjoy your punch!. -[Russell Crowe (John Nash) in A Beautiful Mind];) :p

spdeshwal
May 2nd, 2007, 01:23 AM
I believe, the issue we should raise here shouldn't be the origin of the write up by Shobit but, do we need such a heavily worded explanation of Politics. We all know that the word 'politics' has become synonymus to 'curruption'.

It is no more a Science or Art to govern the State but an art to use the state and its subjects for the benifit of a few.

pnauhwar21
May 2nd, 2007, 02:00 AM
The problem is that we tend to put Politics as a selfless venture where the politicians only need to care about people. If politics is treated just as a job, where everyone needs appraisal and needs to work hard n smart for that, we can understand it in a far better manner.

Why doesn't an average educated graduate (who doesn't have any business) join politics? Coz, there is not decent enough salary paid in politics which inadvertently leads to corruption. If 15 lakh pa is paid for an MLA or MP, I could really think about leaving my job and join politics. If an IT company can pay that much for writing code or managing a team of 15 ppl., why can't we pay that much for someone managing a whole state? The so called perks are all lost in political activities so what can he save for personal luxuries. Since, he doesn't get enough salary, he will tend to get it through other corrupt manners. And this is the exact reason, a common middle class person doesn't even think about joining politics. The so-called goondas don't have anything better to do and being corrupt doesn't affects their psyche so politics is best for them. Why would they care about country? I believe, performance bonus should be part of a politician's salary which will be given on the basis of feedback by registered voters in the state (we can computerize it). Any single case of corruption and the MP/MLA would be kicked of his job. If all this is implemented, I am sure that the whole face of politics would change.

We just keep on blabbering about the dirty politics, but never do the root-cause and Long Term Fix the way we do in IT..It not just about being socially good people but also about personal life...

kabir
May 2nd, 2007, 02:45 AM
Fair enough. However, only affluent people with muscle and moolah can afford politics these days. So the 10-15 lakh pay package would only burden their already bulging pockets but greed, it would successfully fail to check.

Maybe at the time when Indian democracy was baby-stepping this would have been a practical idea to moot for desired effect. But corruption has become far too prevalent today.

Now if we were to implement it on the face of it, politics would still not be a career-option of an average graduate. When we draw an analogy with the IT sector, we tend to forget that politics is not a mass-employer. The total no. of elected representatives (factoring in even the local body electionsl) in the country maybe less than the total no of people on payroll in TCS alone.

Moreover, a company generates revenues to pay for its employees. Do politicians generate revenues (apart from ofcourse for themselves;) )? Though I agree they should be properly paid but matching a package at par with industry standards may not be feasible.

Nonetheless, a good and seminal thought. Corruption in politics has become a circulus vicious. One problem is leading to another. On the top of that, as even my post suggests, we've taken it as a part of our life. Scandals, rampant now, they fail to shake us out of our slumber.


The problem is that we tend to put Politics as a selfless venture where the politicians only need to care about people. If politics is treated just as a job, where everyone needs appraisal and needs to work hard n smart for that, we can understand it in a far better manner.

Why doesn't an average educated graduate (who doesn't have any business) join politics? Coz, there is not decent enough salary paid in politics which inadvertently leads to corruption. If 15 lakh pa is paid for an MLA or MP, I could really think about leaving my job and join politics. If an IT company can pay that much for writing code or managing a team of 15 ppl., why can't we pay that much for someone managing a whole state? The so called perks are all lost in political activities so what can he save for personal luxuries. Since, he doesn't get enough salary, he will tend to get it through other corrupt manners. And this is the exact reason, a common middle class person doesn't even think about joining politics. The so-called goondas don't have anything better to do and being corrupt doesn't affects their psyche so politics is best for them. Why would they care about country? I believe, performance bonus should be part of a politician's salary which will be given on the basis of feedback by registered voters in the state (we can computerize it). Any single case of corruption and the MP/MLA would be kicked of his job. If all this is implemented, I am sure that the whole face of politics would change.

We just keep on blabbering about the dirty politics, but never do the root-cause and Long Term Fix the way we do in IT..It not just about being socially good people but also about personal life...