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devdahiya
September 19th, 2007, 04:54 PM
Kaal saanjhh ki baat se...mein apni Dharampattni ke saath Marcket ghumman jaun tha.6 bajje sham ka temm tha arr ek bhai Sarddak ke kinnarre khhadya...EK LUMBBER krrei tha.badda ajjeeb sa mamla tha..mei generally avoid kar ke likkadd jyaya karrun parr ghanna behudda sa haal tha tei i waited for him for a while arr jib ow nimmatt liya tei mein uss dhhorre gaya arr mein bolya....BHAI TNNEI YA CHODDE E JAGHAN PAI...KITTE AADD MEIN KAR LE HEI.....OW CHHUTT-TA E NYU BOLYA," Bhai tu iss appni jannani nei duur ke le jya hei...thharra hadde ke aana jarruri tha." [obviously our JAT BHAI]...mein bolya bhai galltti hoggi aage dhyan rakhkhunga...and we moved on.


Mein nyun sochun tha akk mhare desh mein kadde thhodi-bhot sabhytta aaweigi akk hum nyuwein UGHHADDE handdan ge..?

1] Rail aa rhi ho jibb bi lenn jarrur paar krrangge.
2] Luggaiyan nei dekh kei ganddi harqat jarrur karni.
3] Sardkkan pe paggallan khi dhhal gaaddi jarrur challani
4] Jaddei chawan huddei gandgi jarrur fallani

Aur bi bhttere kukkram jaari sein...ke baat hum Decency immune saan ke...?

cooljat
September 19th, 2007, 04:57 PM
100/100 beimaan....fir bhi mera bharat mahan!!! :rolleyes:

Our fellow Great Indians always talk bout their RIGHTS but no one cares for their DUTIES!!! :)

Decency thats far away thing...

jitendershooda
September 19th, 2007, 05:18 PM
Kaho te theek so Dev ji kati ... nue ki nue ban rahi hai ...

What I feel is that this generation will hardly get lined ... but we can hope from the coming generations. So better that we have etiquette as a subject may be optional in the smaller classes, to irrigate them from the beginning. I was planning to suggest this thing to be part of classes in JJ.

deepakchoudhry
September 19th, 2007, 05:34 PM
Dev Bhai Sahib,

Har Shak per Ullu Baitha hai, anjamay Gulistan kya hoga.

I heard a comment sometime back...India is a open toilet..Bahut sharam aayi kyun ki baat saach hai.

Just to give another incident that this kind of behaviour exists even in the educated class.

We had gone to Ranthombore National Park for safari. Along with us we had a couple and their kids. It was mentioned to be quiet and not throw any rubbish in the forest. These kids were loud and throwing chips packets.

In the end we couldnt take it and we told the kids off, but the amazing thing was parents were sitting like a dummy.

Where is the pride? Where is apnapan?

Anyway now I had a rant, I'm feeling better.:)

Deepak

dkumars
September 19th, 2007, 06:52 PM
Dev Sahab Namaste first of all..
U r absolutely correct… actually our country is suffering from very severe disease dats the wrong attitude and mentality. I also feel to upload such posts and discuss. I am also very disappointed to see all this but I come up with no solution. We cant change those ppl through this forum or any such discussion. This is a fact.
I have a question : do all of us not do all such craps… may be lot don but still we the Jat Landers do this… I am not talking abt this open toilet only… m focusin on common day to day behaviour.
If we really want to change this then the only thing we can do is changing ourselves.
This is ur greatness that u said ” mein bolya bhai galltti hoggi aage dhyan rakhkhunga...and we moved on.” Otherwise how many of us would have replied the same. And these ppl can not be change within a tick of clock. It will take time… is a very slow progress.
In short I want to convey if we really want to change then the very first step is to change ourselves. We need to show that change everywhere even while talking here n from now itself.

sjakhars
September 19th, 2007, 08:39 PM
Worth discussing subject.
Moving it to "social responsibility" forum as it is a social matter. Dev sir, Please do not mind. :) :p I know you wouldn't. :)
One more thread somewhat same subject:
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21305

poonam
September 20th, 2007, 01:43 AM
Why dont they levy heavy fines for littering! Would control it to some extent.

kdeshwal
September 20th, 2007, 02:36 AM
But, off course! Poonam-ji.
Well, I have seen it written everywhere; "zurmana, zurmana - fines, fines" - and often wondered. But, the problem is with the implimentation of such writings.
What is really interesting; the enforcement officers don't seem to be taking much advantage of this great opportunity for some extra income (by bargaining those fines to warm-up their own pockets even, as expected anyway???)

sa aadar, K Deshwal

devdahiya
September 20th, 2007, 07:51 AM
Why dont they levy heavy fines for littering! Would control it to some extent.


Ha..ha..ha.....Sahi keh sei DAKKDARNNI bebey....EK lumbber karraniya ke......10000 ka jurmanna arr char REHPATTE kheench ke kanpatti pe.Arr 2 lumberr karraniya kei 20000 ka jurmanna arr char laat kadd mein..hey-2-2.Ferr lenn pe aa jyangge saare...handein ge lhukkte...!

ssindhu
September 20th, 2007, 09:56 AM
Kaho te theek so Dev ji kati ... nue ki nue ban rahi hai ...

What I feel is that this generation will hardly get lined ... but we can hope from the coming generations. So better that we have etiquette as a subject may be optional in the smaller classes, to irrigate them from the beginning. I was planning to suggest this thing to be part of classes in JJ.
jitu galat baat...dnt raise finger at present generation. infact buddy, i find dis generation far better. i havnt seen any of my frends opting for urinating in public, no matter how long is the drive. they rather look out for McDs or sum other joint on way...bt of course dis civic sense cnt b expected frm illeterates...

devdahiya
September 20th, 2007, 10:07 AM
jitu galat baat...dnt raise finger at present generation. infact buddy, i find dis generation far better. i havnt seen any of my frends opting for urinating in public, no matter how long is the drive. they rather look out for McDs or sum other joint on way...bt of course dis civic sense cnt b expected frm illeterates...



Seema jib inn kei UPPAR-LIKHITT JURMMANE GHUPPEIN GE ARR KAAN TLLEI REHPTTE AAWEIN GE NA TEI YE SARRE ILLETERATE BI Phd ho jyangge...Darr issi e cheez ho sei...Iss desh mein DANDDE ki kassutti jarrurat sei...mannei iska CEO banna dyo arr ek saal de dyo......mein inkka illazz ND kar dyungga ..ye tei rokkein handdein ge sab kyahein nei...hey..hey...koe sunnei se merri..?

ssindhu
September 20th, 2007, 10:29 AM
Seema jib inn kei UPPAR-LIKHITT JURMMANE GHUPPEIN GE ARR KAAN TLLEI REHPTTE AAWEIN GE NA TEI YE SARRE ILLETERATE BI Phd ho jyangge...Darr issi e cheez ho sei...Iss desh mein DANDDE ki kassutti jarrurat sei...mannei iska CEO banna dyo arr ek saal de dyo......mein inkka illazz ND kar dyungga ..ye tei rokkein handdein ge sab kyahein nei...hey..hey...koe sunnei se merri..?
kaka amnne apni life mae ibb lag 1 baat aachchi tariya seekh li. dar te koi kamm aachcha na hota er long run mae te katiye nahi. if u really wanna bring sum change, thn u need to wake up d good self of people thru consciousness. thn no rule n no laws will b required n neither stick...n if consciousness is rotting, stick wont do much service, ppl will follow rules in presence n in absence of observors things will fall bak in worse shape. darr to bagawat paida karya kare order nahi

sunitahooda
September 20th, 2007, 10:36 AM
Jitu Bhai....THIS GENERATION will only USE TOILETS to show their ettiquetes otherwise current n coming generation are completely shameless....so far educating the students about manners is concerned i'd started n did it to the class i took in my last visit to Barhana but as you said it i also strongly agree it should be on regular basis....i'll try to devote more time towards this.
Kaho te theek so Dev ji kati ... nue ki nue ban rahi hai ...

What I feel is that this generation will hardly get lined ... but we can hope from the coming generations. So better that we have etiquette as a subject may be optional in the smaller classes, to irrigate them from the beginning. I was planning to suggest this thing to be part of classes in JJ.

yudhvirmor
September 20th, 2007, 10:42 AM
Kaal baat hum Decency immune saan ke...?

Problem is at the root level. It'll take time to go off. If we create nuisence and litter anywhere becuase we have seen our parents, friends, relatives or teachers doing so.
If we have to make a difference and want our surrounding to be clean, we have to set a right example for our next generations.

I dont think by putting fine or punishments help much, There are fines for drink n drive and for mobile use while driving but still people do it openly.

We want our kids TO DO WHAT WE SAY BUT DONT DO HOW WE DO.

Its a slow process and things'll take time to improve. We all have to take responsiblity collectively and we have take a pain to improve ourselves first.
Rest will follow the Trend.

Regards
Yudhvir Mor

devdahiya
September 20th, 2007, 10:44 AM
kaka amnne apni life mae ibb lag 1 baat aachchi tariya seekh li. dar te koi kamm aachcha na hota er long run mae te katiye nahi. if u really wanna bring sum change, thn u need to wake up d good self of people thru consciousness. thn no rule n no laws will b required n neither stick...n if consciousness is rotting, stick wont do much service, ppl will follow rules in presence n in absence of observors things will fall bak in worse shape. darr to bagawat paida karya kare order nahi




Seema yahin tajjurba jinddagi ka kaam aata hei...it is not so simple really:


Consciousness agar hei tou samashya hi nahin,Charitar aggar hei tou deekkat hi nahin,sharam aggar hei tou dandde ki jarrurat hi kya,Self discipline aur dignity hou tou kannun ki jarrurat nahin....Samashya tou tab aati hei jib VYEBHICHARTI charam par ho aur Badtameezzi har nukkadd pe nangga naachch nach rahi ho.

KAUN KEHTA HEI ke dandde se illazz nahin hota....Baddtameezzi ka ek seedhha illazz DANDDA hei.....aap sareeffon ki baat kar rahi hein Ma'm.

sunitahooda
September 20th, 2007, 10:47 AM
Its not about Whole of the generation...here i think by Generation he meant n i also wish to tell....the youngsters in our neighbourhood or in known families:) And few like you doesn't make a generation but get generalized:)
jitu galat baat...dnt raise finger at present generation. infact buddy, i find dis generation far better. i havnt seen any of my frends opting for urinating in public, no matter how long is the drive. they rather look out for McDs or sum other joint on way...bt of course dis civic sense cnt b expected frm illeterates...

bhupendra
September 20th, 2007, 10:48 AM
Kaal saanjhh ki baat se...mein apni Dharampattni ke saath Marcket ghumman jaun tha.6 bajje sham ka temm tha arr ek bhai Sarddak ke kinnarre khhadya...EK LUMBBER krrei tha.badda ajjeeb sa mamla tha..mei generally avoid kar ke likkadd jyaya karrun parr ghanna behudda sa haal tha tei i waited for him for a while arr jib ow nimmatt liya tei mein uss dhhorre gaya arr mein bolya....BHAI TNNEI YA CHODDE E JAGHAN PAI...KITTE AADD MEIN KAR LE HEI.....OW CHHUTT-TA E NYU BOLYA," Bhai tu iss appni jannani nei duur ke le jya hei...thharra hadde ke aana jarruri tha." [obviously our JAT BHAI]...mein bolya bhai galltti hoggi aage dhyan rakhkhunga...and we moved on.


Mein nyun sochun tha akk mhare desh mein kadde thhodi-bhot sabhytta aaweigi akk hum nyuwein UGHHADDE handdan ge..?

1] Rail aa rhi ho jibb bi lenn jarrur paar krrangge.
2] Luggaiyan nei dekh kei ganddi harqat jarrur karni.
3] Sardkkan pe paggallan khi dhhal gaaddi jarrur challani
4] Jaddei chawan huddei gandgi jarrur fallani

Aur bi bhttere kukkram jaari sein...ke baat hum Decency immune saan ke...?

Dhaiya Saab

Rola is baat ka bhee nahee hai ke hum log galat harkat karein hai. balke agar koi samjhdaar humne samjhave bhee hai to ulta usee te laden lag jya hain. Aur jagehn ka to pata nahee par Gudgaamme me to aap kisen ne bhee nahi tok sakte. HAr banda bheedn ne tyar bhaitha hai, Chaye pher driving ke time pe todi see gadi bheed jayo ya pher bank kee line me kise te nu khe do ke Bhai line te aaja. Mein us Bhai ka andaja laga sakoon hoon ke usne Kis lheje me aap te ya baat kahee hogi. Ya baat bilkul sach hai ke Kam se kam gudgaame aalla ne to kati mat toka karo.

ssindhu
September 20th, 2007, 10:49 AM
Seema yahin tajjurba jinddagi ka kaam aata hei...it is not so simple really:


Consciousness agar hei tou samashya hi nahin,Charitar aggar hei tou deekkat hi nahin,sharam aggar hei tou dandde ki jarrurat hi kya,Self discipline aur dignity hou tou kannun ki jarrurat nahin....Samashya tou tab aati hei jib VYEBHICHARTI charam par ho aur Badtameezzi har nukkadd pe nangga naachch nach rahi ho.

KAUN KEHTA HEI ke dandde se illazz nahin hota....Baddtameezzi ka ek seedhha illazz DANDDA hei.....aap sareeffon ki baat kar rahi hein Ma'm.
ha ha. to lelo fir lath haath mae. dande te kaam na chale fer. er lath ne apna electoral symbol bana liyo aap

subhashbalhara
September 21st, 2007, 03:31 PM
dev bhai saheb
namaste

isi isi baat to nuksan kar ri hai apni community ka
aap jise jinda dil aadmi ne to hans ke taal deni chahiye isi baat
nyu bolna bhi en bad characterstic se aapni kom ki
nyu na bola ge te ye baki kom jeen de hamne
take it easy

SUBHASH
GJU:)

subhashbalhara
September 21st, 2007, 03:43 PM
Its not about Whole of the generation...here i think by Generation he meant n i also wish to tell....the youngsters in our neighbourhood or in known families:) And few like you doesn't make a generation but get generalized:)

SUNITA JI
BAAT TO AAPKI BHI THEEK HAI
THIS IS NOT ONY NORMAL BUT NATURAL
TAKE IT EASY:)

SUBHASH
GJU

pssangwan
September 21st, 2007, 08:51 PM
Problem is at the root level. It'll take time to go off. If we create nuisence and litter anywhere becuase we have seen our parents, friends, relatives or teachers doing so.
If we have to make a difference and want our surrounding to be clean, we have to set a right example for our next generations.

I dont think by putting fine or punishments help much, There are fines for drink n drive and for mobile use while driving but still people do it openly.

We want our kids TO DO WHAT WE SAY BUT DONT DO HOW WE DO.

Its a slow process and things'll take time to improve. We all have to take responsiblity collectively and we have take a pain to improve ourselves first.
Rest will follow the Trend.

Regards
Yudhvir Mor

Right you are.
There is no short cut.

devdahiya
September 21st, 2007, 10:30 PM
That is the biggest problem infact.Majority of parents find themselves helpless in controlling their children as onslaught of so called modernization is complete and specially our younger generation is in grip of this disease called LIBERTY ie immunity from all responsibilities.Unfortunately the problem gets compounded when in spite of the fact that parents know it fully well that their offspring is not on track and that they have no control on their activities,they still shelter them and hide their misdeeds;may be to protect the honor of the family which i suppose is causing a bigger damage to the enviornment.



Problem can only be tackled by a transparency in monitoring their activities with a mix of tact and guts with utmost honesty.And if that fails and the children don't behave still...the community and law enforcing activities must be involved.I don't buy the theory that fines do not have the desired impact.If the fines are collected properly and are deposited in govt treasury[instead of diverting it into the pockets of on the helm],i am confident that it will definitely work as a deterrent for the future offenders.

dahiyars
September 22nd, 2007, 10:50 PM
Resp Devji
Very accurate observation you have pointed out. Few more----
Ganda doosrey key khet mai tai paad kai choosaiga aapney mai tai naheen.

Haspataal mai mareej kai dhorey aantey kee saath beeri jaroor peevaingey.

Bina gaal key baat nahi karain.

Ohley kahantey vaar konya lavain—Ohley hamnai key bera tha nayon banjayagee.

To me it appears that our society has not reached the level of a civic society. Really a very extensive social reform movement ( New navjagran) is the need of the day to sensitize the society about gender issues, day today life behavior issues and other human aspects.

R.S.Dahiya