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skadian123
November 13th, 2007, 11:54 PM
I am sure the title to this thread might sound a little radical, yet it is common knowledge that the demography of Haryana is fast changing. Our rich heritage including our land is being usurped by the state government in connivance with the builder lobby who are busy minting money turning a blind eye towards the repercussions that it would have on our community and our future generations.

The state politicians and leaders (if at all I can call them leaders as they lack any short or long term vision) are busy developing the state by building those model residential townships with swanky malls and office complexes. But my question is: FOR WHOM IS THIS DEVELOPMENT?? How many of the Haryana domicile holders own houses in these residential townships or work in those swanky office complexes.

In fact almost all the states have some or the other legislative mechanism to safeguard the interests of their people. This could be in terms of exclusion of outsiders from purchasing land in the state as is in Himmachal Pradesh or in the form of reserving a major proportion of jobs for the state domicile holders a very good example of which is Gujarat where the labour inspector verifies and ensures that Gujaratis have a sizable representation in the active labour force in the state. Where are the safeguards provided by the Government of Haryana to its people and if there are any, how actively these are being enforced by the government (by any of the political parties which has been in power).

Haryana is being bled from all the sides. As far as jobs are concerned they are being grabbed by outsiders at both the levels: blue collared as well as white collared jobs. The unskilled migrant population takes up majority of the low to medium paying jobs. The professionals from outside establish their exclusivity in the corporate arena by barring local people in employment.

Where does a Haryanvi go for a job. Earlier he at least had land to till and earn livelihood through agriculture and livestock management. But even that option is being taken away from him by the government and the land sharks who have acquired land forcefully or usurp the same by misleading the innocent and gullible land owners.

As far as education is concerned, we do have quite a few new universities which have sprung up in the near past but the level of basic education especially at the primary level has not improved much since the yesteryears.

With no proper education, negligible employment opportunities, no social security in terms of land holdings, where does Haryanvi go and whom does he look up to for direction. Certainly not the politicians who irrespective of the political party affiliations are busy making money little realising that 10-15 years down the line original Haryanvis would be in minority and the state would be ruled by a Chief Minister who would be a Bihari or a Bengali.

In fact the scene is not much different in the rest of the jat belt including Western UP, Delhi etc, where outsiders have swamped the towns/cities and permanently changed the culture of the area. A shining example of this trend is GURGAON where you have the best of residential townships, malls, office complexes in the country, yet the percentage of jats or Haryanvis using them is a miniscule minority. From the way things are unfolding, this example will be repeated in rest of the towns of Haryana like Sonipat, Panipat,etc.

Once again my question to you all: this development for whom....

ssindhu
November 14th, 2007, 10:43 AM
not again...tired of this provincial mentality. cosmopolitan fabric of a city or state is the first sign of advancement, what's the harm if we have biharis, bengalis etc besides jats. I don't find if any other cast CM surges in haryana.

desijat
November 14th, 2007, 10:51 AM
Where does a Haryanvi go for a job. Earlier he at least had land to till and earn livelihood through agriculture and livestock management.

Industrilisation is the need of hour, if we need better infrastructure then we need to progress with time.
The question that one must ask here is.. how many Haryanavis are eligible for a job, or to say equipped to move with times? How many of them are educated enough? Can they forever rely on tilling the land?



In fact the scene is not much different in the rest of the jat belt including Western UP, Delhi etc, where outsiders have swamped the towns/cities and permanently changed the culture of the area. A shining example of this trend is GURGAON where you have the best of residential townships, malls, office complexes in the country, yet the percentage of jats or Haryanvis using them is a miniscule minority. From the way things are unfolding, this example will be repeated in rest of the towns of Haryana like Sonipat, Panipat,etc.

Once again my question to you all: this development for whom....

Please include Delhi also, Delhi which was inhabited by Jats and Gurjars is now full of Punjabis. Not only that now the original culture has gone for a toss, but jats and gurjars are shown as nothing more than uneducated bunch of hulligans.

desijat
November 14th, 2007, 10:55 AM
I don't mind if any other cast CM surges in haryana.

Neither do i Mind if he is well educated and deserving...

And bro... who will choose the CM? Of course the people of Haryana. Still if people find industrilization is not good then trust me a NANDIGRAM in Haryana would certainly be more interesting/bloody than a NANDIGRAM in West Bengal... (god forbid)

sidchhikara
November 15th, 2007, 04:39 AM
All these problems stem from the fact that India does not include property rights in the list of Fundamental rights. The government is just helping the big corporations.....crony capiltalism at its best.

Here's something on property rights.....

http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/the-horror-of-nandigram/

skadian123
November 16th, 2007, 11:10 PM
Well not much left to say after seeing the level of response to this thread/issue.

We all have our opinions and have every right to do so. But then comes a time when we ought to rise above our petty personal gains and think in terms of the broader perspective in the interest of the community.

People like most of us on this esteemed website are well read and financially well of. The reason why we dwell on socially important issues is not out of any personal compulsion but by our yearning to see our community progress. We not only need to just protect our heritage but also build on it for our progeny.

If race was a term used for mass hysteria, then I and you would not have been members of this website. Our race is our binding force with which we identify.

If we think every thing is hunky dory and like an ostrich bury our heads in the sand then we are certainly living in a fool's paradise.

We are contented that development is taking place at a feverish pace in our state. But then again the question comes: For Whom??

People who work in the corporate world I am sure would have at some point in time observed or witnessed the unwritten code followed by the corporate management teams to keep out the jats from employment in their ccompanies as far as possible. A jat normally loses the race before it even begins because he belongs to a community which is not popular. How many jats have reached the pinnacles of their careers or have been allowed to reach there at the national level - how many chief justices, CEOs, defence chiefs, cabinet secretaries etc.

I would just like to cite a glaring case of discrimination against jats: A few months ago there was a petition filed in Delhi High Court challenging the recruitment of conductors in DTC (Delhi Transport Corporation) on the grounds that most of the recruitees were Haryanvis (Please read this as jats). Even the High COurt Judge hearing this case agreed that people from these areas (jat belt) are rustic and unpolished. This was an affront and insult to the entire community yet no politician or leader from Haryana worth his salt objected to this petition or the Judge's observation.

When Ch. Bansi Lal (the founding father of Haryana and former Haryana Chief Minister and Union Defence minister) expired, not even a single English language newspaper carried out an article on him thus completely blacking out the news of his demise proving the importance placed on the community and its popular sons.

Again recently, one of the prominent builders came out with an advertisement in one of the national dailies where the address mentioned Gurgaon as part of Delhi and not Haryana. There was no subsequent clarification from the newspaper or the builder nor any objection raised by the state government.

The above mentioned instances are just small issues not a crisis yet, but they sure are signs of an impending crisis the community will face in the times to come. Lets put our acts together before the community reaches the point of no return.

One of my learned fellow members quoted that development of land is good for the state and its people. But I just have one question to ask - Why cannot this land be developed by and for our own people. Why do we need outsiders to develop our state/region. Are we so incompetent as a community that we need outsiders to develop our state for us.

Lets put our act together before there is no chance left to turn the tide. History is not very kind to ignorants who live smuggly in their todays without anticipating and preparing for their future.

dndeswal
November 16th, 2007, 11:38 PM
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If industrialization is “need of hour”, why can’t big industries be established on barren terrains of central India, rather than destroying the fertile lands of Haryana and UP ? How many Haryanavis are employed in Maruti Udyog Limited in Gurgaon – a project which was established on a vast agricultural plot despite protests, and there were promises of employment opportunities for local people? Policies like setting up of SEZs etc. are not the babies of a state, it is a Central subject. The present government of Haryana has given its nod in favour of Ambanis. See the case of Punjab – it has refused to allot its land to Reliance Retail for its projects in Punjab. See the report in today’s edition of The Tribune : Punjab govt refuses land. (http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20071116/main9.htm)


To feed the rapidly growing needs of the city of Delhi, resources of neighbouring states are being over-exploited. Even the raw soil from the fields is being transported to Delhi for construction purposes, apart from numerous brick-klins which are ‘cooking’ this soil to make bricks. Water resources are under heavy stress. Such a large scale construction activity may soon result in some big natural catastrophe and coming generations will curse us for our follies.
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rohittewatia
November 17th, 2007, 08:26 PM
Fully support Dayanand sir and Sunil. Some filtering must be there. If Punjab govt. can think better of their own people, why can't we?

/Rohit.

rameshlakra
November 17th, 2007, 08:47 PM
Development and capitalism is must, there is no doubt here, but point of view of kadian and dayanand ji and rohit have raised an honest future problem. I think a minimum of 50% reservation for haryanva domicile (with all due respect for UP and rajasthan jats) in all huda plots would be immediatley require to check this.

Regards

snandal1
November 18th, 2007, 12:11 AM
Very True Ramesh Bhai.

amiteshv
November 18th, 2007, 12:43 AM
Yes even in some American and Canadian Universities I've seen reservation for original tribes over there.

amiteshv
November 18th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Ek Jat sarvkhap panchayat hoya kare thi UP me, us ne Jaton ki Zameen ko bechne par bann laga diya tha. Aur aakhir me ye condition tay kari thi ek Jat ki zameen ko Jat hi khareed sakta hai.

sidchhikara
November 18th, 2007, 04:21 AM
This concept of SEZ's is pure bullS&*t.
Lower taxation and business infrastructure are the main reasons are being put forward by the government for SEZ's.

1........There should be minimum taxation for business anyways.. especially on capital gains. The taxation money goes to the government - which wastes it ya fir politicians and their relatives loot lete hain.

2........It should be absolutely..............I mean absolutely no business of the government to act as landgrabbers on behalf of rich corporations. If Reliance wants to purchase land, then, for example a land purchase manager from REliance needs to go to every landowner whose land they want...and offer them market price. If they refuse then there is no deal..end of story.

3.........The private sector is more than capable of getting the business infrastructure built on their own....government ko taang adane ki koi zaroorat nahin hai - private sector will develop it better and at half the cost.

4.........There is no problem if Reliance invests in Harayana. They will create jobs for the locals........... local ppl have to make sure they have the right training and are employable when the time comes. Investment will be measured in Indian rupee ....not gujrati money....also Mukesh Ambani will not transfer lakhs of Gujratis to come work in Haryana SEZ.....He will look for workers locally.

5.........If manufacturing industries come up......... They should treat their harmful waste properly..........NOT how its done in China.

People who are proponents of kheeti baadi...please know that land holdings have shrunk drastically....it is no longer sustainable for most of the population............they need to look forward and start training in technical jobs otherwise they will not be able to cash in on the manufacturing opportunities that may arise. The governmnet needs to remove regulations on technical education and more private training institutes should come up like the government run ITI's....... so that there are enough technical haryanvi ppl around to do the lakhs of jobs that will come up.
In the same way, The education city proposed in Sonepat should be free of government regualtions otherwise it will never reach its potential. Harvard and Stanford donot work under government regulation ... that is why they are where they are.

amiteshv
November 18th, 2007, 12:42 PM
If situation continues like this then Jats of Haryana will become like Jats of Delhi. Faridabad ka haal to aur bhi bura hai. Delhi for thousands of years was known for Jats but now they are diluted, dissolved and in a pitiable condition.

Sindh was known for Jats controlling major land and ports/trade over there. India was known Sone ki Chidiya not because of Kolar mines but due to the Gold through trade. Now percentage of Jats in Sindh is like Delhi.

If soon some suitable measures are not taken then Haryana will become another Delhi/Sindh for Jats.

amiteshv
November 18th, 2007, 01:00 PM
Bal Thackre's call "Maharashtra for Maharashtrians" set whole Bombay state afire in 1960. Similar call is needed in Haryana. Faridabad looks to be totally filled with Biharis and others. All around Delhi Jats are being squeezed in Haryana and UP. But as compared to UP Haryanvi Jats are more affected because on 3 sides Delhi is surrounded by Haryana.

snandal1
November 18th, 2007, 11:03 PM
If situation continues like this then Jats of Haryana will become like Jats of Delhi. Faridabad ka haal to aur bhi bura hai. Delhi for thousands of years was known for Jats but now they are diluted, dissolved and in a pitiable condition.

Sindh was known for Jats controlling major land and ports/trade over there. India was known Sone ki Chidiya not because of Kolar mines but due to the Gold through trade. Now percentage of Jats in Sindh is like Delhi.

If soon some suitable measures are not taken then Haryana will become another Delhi/Sindh for Jats.

True Brother.

devdahiya
November 19th, 2007, 02:18 PM
75% Madhyapardesh Khalli padya..danna bi na hotta...Udde kyuna jatte ye Reliance aale arr sarre builders...sab kimme PAATHH diya Dilli arr Hariyanne ke khettan mein....Na koe rasta chhodya,Na kisse ki Izzat chhoddi,Na koe samaajj chhodya arr na koe bhaichara chhodya.Bhaadd mein ja issa developement jddei HANDFULLS tei Aishh krrein sein arr bakki dunniya ke LUTHH aa rhya sei...............IT IS A B....y DURRAGTTI of people.SABh kimme GT road pe banna dyo arr baaki sesh khaali ka khaali....HELL WITH THIS KINDA DEVELOPEMENT and THE POLITICIAND who are making fools out of people and enjoying life.

dahiyars
November 19th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Dear Dev ji

102 % sahi baat kahi. Pher SULPHAS ki goli kha kai maran tai aachha tai chhati mai kha kai marna sai. Koye tai sahi rah gonda khud tohvana paderega . Ramji Konya madad karai yo tai peesey aalyan ka ho liya.

R.S.Dahiya

snandal1
November 19th, 2007, 08:28 PM
75% Madhyapardesh Khalli padya..danna bi na hotta...Udde kyuna jatte ye Reliance aale arr sarre builders...sab kimme PAATHH diya Dilli arr Hariyanne ke khettan mein....Na koe rasta chhodya,Na kisse ki Izzat chhoddi,Na koe samaajj chhodya arr na koe bhaichara chhodya.Bhaadd mein ja issa developement jddei HANDFULLS tei Aishh krrein sein arr bakki dunniya ke LUTHH aa rhya sei...............IT IS A B....y DURRAGTTI of people.SABh kimme GT road pe banna dyo arr baaki sesh khaali ka khaali....HELL WITH THIS KINDA DEVELOPEMENT and THE POLITICIAND who are making fools out of people and enjoying life.

Bhai Saheb Soch to main raheya tha likh aap gaye .Ke kaya karen va Kudos ....ji.

skadian123
November 25th, 2007, 08:19 PM
United we stand Divided we fall

It was interesting to note the varied viewpoints expressed in response to this thread.

The community has almost reached a point of crisis in majority of the Jat belt/Jatland. The problem is spread out in Haryana, Delhi, Western U.P. and to some extent Punjab.

Our ancestors fought wars against the outsiders to safeguard the land to pass it on to their future generations and we are letting it go away and that too to the outsiders. It does not mean we have to sell our land and that too to outsiders if we have become educated and are employed in Corporates/MNCs. It is social security which we can still pass on to our future generations or at least ensure it remains within the community.

There is a French proverb which says the deeper you look into the past, the farther you can look into the future....

delhione
November 25th, 2007, 08:52 PM
i think the only solution is the quality education. unless we compel the government to focus on education be it elementary, technical, professional etc. nothing can be done to change the poor conditions of uninformed haryana people and especially the JATs. those among us consider education as important and arrange for it through their own resources are doing exceedingly well in society, a few examples are right here present in this thread.

all of us must agreee that as a matter of right we can not ask for being a part of develoed capitalist society that would be unjustified, the capitalists tilt the policies in their favour because most of the decision making done at govt level, the capitalists have a major say in those decisions by the use of their super power of cash & kinds and the uninformed man goes unheard. for example , as we do at the local or family level that generally the uneducated ( even though experienced ) are barred from a say while deciding over something. at local level a rich man's saying is important even though he is uneducated, and only other man richer than him or a informed and educated man can challege that.

so my point is that, instead of seeking assistance from govt for protecting the rights of poor and downtrodden haryana people we must equip them with such capabilities where they can judge and take their welfare decisions on their own in this rapidly changing world. if we depend on the govt then it would be like catching fish and feeding a hungry man... instead of this teach that man how to catch the fish and problem is solved.

skadian123
December 1st, 2007, 08:23 PM
I could not have agreed more with my fellow learned member Yashpal Singh Antil when he says that we need to teach people to fish rather than serve them fish on a platter. The people need to be self reliant instead of relying on government support.

Taking this analogy further, I would just like to say that when the pond size is small with limited number of fish and people from other ponds come to fish at your pond, it is better to tell them that your pond size is small with limited number of fish hardly sufficient for your own people. Hence, it is better that they fish in their own ponds. If you allow anyone and everyone from outside to fish in your pond, your own people will have no fish left to fish even if you teach them fishing....

ssindhu
December 5th, 2007, 05:24 PM
Development and capitalism is must, there is no doubt here, but point of view of kadian and dayanand ji and rohit have raised an honest future problem. I think a minimum of 50% reservation for haryanva domicile (with all due respect for UP and rajasthan jats) in all huda plots would be immediatley require to check this.

Regards
i strongly condemn this view of reservation in jobs...reservation is one of the prime root prpblems in the system machinery. How can you imagine a rustic guy speaking in a pastoral manner with global fabric visting in malls in Gurgaon?, some similar condidtions Bal Thackeray kept for Maha...

Let the deserved get the job, no domicile act plz

ssindhu
December 5th, 2007, 05:29 PM
Bal Thackre's call "Maharashtra for Maharashtrians" set whole Bombay state afire in 1960. Similar call is needed in Haryana. Faridabad looks to be totally filled with Biharis and others. All around Delhi Jats are being squeezed in Haryana and UP. But as compared to UP Haryanvi Jats are more affected because on 3 sides Delhi is surrounded by Haryana.
mistaken notions buddy and sheer misinformation...faridabad has a cosmopolitan texture, not mere biharis. Moreover, it is one of the best advance districts in Haryana...prosperous by all means and the strongest financial disc of haryana's economy after gurgaon

ssindhu
December 5th, 2007, 05:32 PM
anyone of you plz cite a single country which has flourished on agricultural economy?

solankimk
December 5th, 2007, 05:38 PM
not again...tired of this provincial mentality. cosmopolitan fabric of a city or state is the first sign of advancement, what's the harm if we have biharis, bengalis etc besides jats. I don't find if any other cast CM surges in haryana.

seema
you are diveting the mood of thread. his basic question is that what will happen to these states after 30-40 yr. where people could not find land peace of land for antim sanskar --------------------------------------

desijat
December 5th, 2007, 05:38 PM
i strongly condemn this view of reservation in jobs...reservation is one of the prime root prpblems in the system machinery. How can you imagine a rustic guy speaking in a pastoral manner with global fabric visting in malls in Gurgaon?, some similar condidtions Bal Thackeray kept for Maha...

Let the deserved get the job, no domicile act plz

I agree with Seema's view

Not only that any country has not flourished on agri-based economy but also no country has grown with reservation system

ssindhu
December 5th, 2007, 05:43 PM
If situation continues like this then Jats of Haryana will become like Jats of Delhi. Faridabad ka haal to aur bhi bura hai. Delhi for thousands of years was known for Jats but now they are diluted, dissolved and in a pitiable condition.

Sindh was known for Jats controlling major land and ports/trade over there. India was known Sone ki Chidiya not because of Kolar mines but due to the Gold through trade. Now percentage of Jats in Sindh is like Delhi.

If soon some suitable measures are not taken then Haryana will become another Delhi/Sindh for Jats.
delhi jats are still better equipped to embrace the fair life means as compare to many in haryana...and i personally know many jats whose land got sold recently and everybody is more than happy about it. delhi and NCR jats are the most prosperous by all means

but this acquistion seems to be a trouble in other regions...probabaly some political incitement or they don't know how to invest the money futher...now this comes with education and receptiveness to learn for postive changes

ssindhu
December 5th, 2007, 05:45 PM
seema
you are diveting the mood of thread. his basic question is that what will happen to these states after 30-40 yr. where people could not find land peace of land for antim sanskar --------------------------------------
electric burials will be the best way in that case...and i will be happy to be burried that way...lesser pollution over some dead carcass

desijat
December 5th, 2007, 05:46 PM
seema
you are diveting the mood of thread. his basic question is that what will happen to these states after 30-40 yr. where people could not find land peace of land for antim sanskar --------------------------------------

If developed countries, who got industrialised heavily can find space to bury their dead ones, we just need some space to burn ourselves

Eitherways, if we dont get industries in, we are already burning ourselves.

We give a large hue and cry to the governments saying govt. is not providing us jobs but just imagine from where will the jobs come? Untill we see some industrilization happening jobs will not arise and specially in a country like India where half of the population is uneducated and cant do anything besides labour work, it makes more sense

skadian123
December 5th, 2007, 11:33 PM
Once again all of us have our own point of view and have every right to do so.

Jatland/Jat belt has been a prosperous region since time immemorable. The major reason for that has been that Jats are a hard working, perseverant and a resilient community. The community has the knowhow and has been creating wealth out of land at the same time feeding the general populace residing far and near. Then came industrialisation which started a wild goose chase by a handful of powerful people for hoarding and accumulating as much resources including land as far as possible by ways and means which could be fair or unfair (mostly unfair as used by the builder lobby hands in gloves with the state government). Well that's good - development has taken place. We have better amenities in terms of highend living spaces and workplaces. Again nothing wrong with that.. rather all good so far.

Then comes the point when you donot have local skilled manpower in the state who can work in those swanky offices and as a result the unskilled local populace cannot afford to live in those highend living spaces. Unfortunately for Haryanvis/Jats, the government does not care if proper education system is in place, the NGOs (except for a few like JJ) are almost non-existent and public awareness is scant.

Jats are happy by getting truckloads of money by selling their land. After that, they buy long luxury cars, wear thick gold chains and life is a party every evening till the time the pond of money dries up. What next - Land is gone, children not educated (as they thought enough money is there to last a lifetime - hence not well qualified) and of course no reservation. Options available - drive a cab, man the security desk at an MNC having office on the same land or if a little lucky with some left over money open up a property dealer shop (helping others also to make some fast and easy money by selling their ancestral land).

How do we define development - Selling land?? Can we not become doctors/ engineers, software professional etc without selling our lands. We have the builder lobby building up huge land banks. - unfortunately our state is going through a crisis but we donot have a Medha Patekar. It is also an irony that it is not our elected representatives' job to see that our resources are best being utilised for the benefit of sons of the soil.

THE AUTHOR WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE FELLOW MEMBERS TO READ THE BOOK- 'WHO MOVED MY CHEESE'. As a community we need to anticipate what are the challenges we are to face and how to turn them into opportunities. If the Government of Haryana does not care for its people, surely the Government of Bihar, Bengal or Tamil Nadu would NOT and we as a community donot have a collective voice which commands the respect to be heard by one and all in the seats of power.

Lets not justify migration from outside just for the sake of this false notion of development. As they say time and tide wait for none and for sure time is passing away.

We strongly identify with our community/race and that is the reason we are members of Jatland and not some Bihariland or Bengaliland. One thing that keeps quizzing our minds is - How do we awaken this great community of ours which is in deep slumber (sleep). PLEASE WAKE UP AND TAKE STOCK/CHARGE OF THINGS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE......

Bring about a silent revolution - a revolution of minds, a revolution of people, a revolution of peace and prosperity of the indigenous people, by the indigenous people and for the indigenous people.

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The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

sidchhikara
December 6th, 2007, 03:42 AM
I would like to reiterate what I said in my earlier post on this subject.

1) No government involvement in land acquisition. Direct interaction between buyer and seller. To be honest I see a problem in this also - because the seller may be ignorant about the real market value of his/her land - from the point of view that the land maybe worth billions of dollars in a few years. Right now 70 lakh for an acre may seem like a jackpot to our farmers, but believe me, in India it is a pittance. I believe an incremental lease agreement would be a better option. If Reliance wants the land - let them pay through their nose - they have enough money.

2) No government involvement and regulation in education and vocational training. This will ensure that demand and supply of relevant education and training is market-driven. This will ensure that the locals are available at all levels of labor.

3) Adivise to farmers to invest.

Right now... a professional investment / real estate evaluation business in Haryana would be a good idea........ ant IIM / ISB etc etc grads listening?? I am thinking I might start my own... no joke!

solankimk
December 6th, 2007, 10:50 AM
Once again all of us have our own point of view and have every right to do so.

Jatland/Jat belt has been a prosperous region since time immemorable. The major reason for that has been that Jats are a hard working, perseverant and a resilient community. The community has the knowhow and has been creating wealth out of land at the same time feeding the general populace residing far and near. Then came industrialisation which started a wild goose chase by a handful of powerful people for hoarding and accumulating as much resources including land as far as possible by ways and means which could be fair or unfair (mostly unfair as used by the builder lobby hands in gloves with the state government). Well that's good - development has taken place. We have better amenities in terms of highend living spaces and workplaces. Again nothing wrong with that.. rather all good so far.

Then comes the point when you donot have local skilled manpower in the state who can work in those swanky offices and as a result the unskilled local populace cannot afford to live in those highend living spaces. Unfortunately for Haryanvis/Jats, the government does not care if proper education system is in place, the NGOs (except for a few like JJ) are almost non-existent and public awareness is scant.

Jats are happy by getting truckloads of money by selling their land. After that, they buy long luxury cars, wear thick gold chains and life is a party every evening till the time the pond of money dries up. What next - Land is gone, children not educated (as they thought enough money is there to last a lifetime - hence not well qualified) and of course no reservation. Options available - drive a cab, man the security desk at an MNC having office on the same land or if a little lucky with some left over money open up a property dealer shop (helping others also to make some fast and easy money by selling their ancestral land).

How do we define development - Selling land?? Can we not become doctors/ engineers, software professional etc without selling our lands. We have the builder lobby building up huge land banks. - unfortunately our state is going through a crisis but we donot have a Medha Patekar. It is also an irony that it is not our elected representatives' job to see that our resources are best being utilised for the benefit of sons of the soil.

THE AUTHOR WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE FELLOW MEMBERS TO READ THE BOOK- 'WHO MOVED MY CHEESE'. As a community we need to anticipate what are the challenges we are to face and how to turn them into opportunities. If the Government of Haryana does not care for its people, surely the Government of Bihar, Bengal or Tamil Nadu would NOT and we as a community donot have a collective voice which commands the respect to be heard by one and all in the seats of power.

Lets not justify migration from outside just for the sake of this false notion of development. As they say time and tide wait for none and for sure time is passing away.

We strongly identify with our community/race and that is the reason we are members of Jatland and not some Bihariland or Bengaliland. One thing that keeps quizzing our minds is - How do we awaken this great community of ours which is in deep slumber (sleep). PLEASE WAKE UP AND TAKE STOCK/CHARGE OF THINGS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE......

Bring about a silent revolution - a revolution of minds, a revolution of people, a revolution of peace and prosperity of the indigenous people, by the indigenous people and for the indigenous people.

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The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
very correct . i support your views

ssindhu
December 6th, 2007, 10:58 AM
the pond of money never dries for the wise, and those who are not wise will starve and die in any case...and let them...better for them and better for rest of the world.

I completely agree with sidharth that they need to look how and where to invest...and that what i meant that as delhi jats have managed to survive this land acquisition because they were equpped to do so...they are more than happy since they have started their own small and medium size businesses, besides that they say that theough investments, the interests on the money itself comes out to be more than what they used to garner from farming...

other regions farmers need to just stop thinking all those orthodox means of living...just utilise your brain alittle and you will find way

ssindhu
December 6th, 2007, 11:05 AM
medha patkar doesn't fit into this scene, she fights for tribes, jats are not tribe, they can do more than menial labouring. the regions we are talking here fall in semi-urban areas and people educate their kids here, they are no tribe kids who wake up, drudge and sleep...

but if this attitude of people continues, the day is not far that jats will fall to this bloody tribal status

gauravgu
December 6th, 2007, 08:12 PM
the pond of money never dries for the wise, and those who are not wise will starve and die in any case...and let them...better for them and better for rest of the world.

I completely agree with sidharth that they need to look how and where to invest...and that what i meant that as delhi jats have managed to survive this land acquisition because they were equpped to do so...they are more than happy since they have started their own small and medium size businesses, besides that they say that theough investments, the interests on the money itself comes out to be more than what they used to garner from farming...

other regions farmers need to just stop thinking all those orthodox means of living...just utilise your brain alittle and you will find way

I totally agree with you Ms Seema...''the pond of money never dries for the wise, and those who are not wise will starve and die in any case"...
however I beg to differ on the point let them suffer and die...The major differnece between animals and humans is the sense of cooperation and socialisation...Instead of let unwise suffer..why not to teach them and make them also wise..I also agree that it is a little difficult...however I pesonally think we need to take them along with us..

Regarding investment..for short term...its ok..however have you ever thought of long term effects...in long term the results are not as fruitful...

and Money is NOT the only factor for starting the business..U can take example of Dhirubhai,Sunil Mittal, the dabbawala and other entrepreneurs...It is the idea and the execution part which is more important...

Also, U know its not so easy to get out with so many ideas at one instance...If it would have been case..India would have been a developed nation long back...

ssindhu
December 7th, 2007, 11:04 AM
I totally agree with you Ms Seema...''the pond of money never dries for the wise, and those who are not wise will starve and die in any case"...
however I beg to differ on the point let them suffer and die...The major differnece between animals and humans is the sense of cooperation and socialisation...Instead of let unwise suffer..why not to teach them and make them also wise..I also agree that it is a little difficult...however I pesonally think we need to take them along with us..

Regarding investment..for short term...its ok..however have you ever thought of long term effects...in long term the results are not as fruitful...

and Money is NOT the only factor for starting the business..U can take example of Dhirubhai,Sunil Mittal, the dabbawala and other entrepreneurs...It is the idea and the execution part which is more important...

Also, U know its not so easy to get out with so many ideas at one instance...If it would have been case..India would have been a developed nation long back...
and Money is NOT the only factor for starting the business..U can take example of Dhirubhai,Sunil Mittal, the dabbawala and other entrepreneurs...It is the idea and the execution part which is more important...

that's what i meant by wise--idea only.

and see i capitulate with your view that to be concerned is a human trait...but what if people don't understand? they are not understanding even eye-seen things around. what's happening in nandigram is one example (too brutal though).

and if one doesn't understand better let them meet their fate...one wins at the cost of other's defeat...this is nature's law...can't help...

thank god i am not in red tape power, else no matter what...i wouldn't mind letting any no. of people die for the sake of country's economy upliftment...that's our future...that's what we need...

gauravgu
December 7th, 2007, 03:14 PM
and Money is NOT the only factor for starting the business..U can take example of Dhirubhai,Sunil Mittal, the dabbawala and other entrepreneurs...It is the idea and the execution part which is more important...

that's what i meant by wise--idea only.

and see i capitulate with your view that to be concerned is a human trait...but what if people don't understand? they are not understanding even eye-seen things around. what's happening in nandigram is one example (too brutal though).

and if one doesn't understand better let them meet their fate...one wins at the cost of other's defeat...this is nature's law...can't help...

thank god i am not in red tape power, else no matter what...i wouldn't mind letting any no. of people die for the sake of country's economy upliftment...that's our future...that's what we need...

Dear Seema,

These are the new ideas which are being generated from the pople who get easy money (by selling their land), once they have surplus of money

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Q0FQLzIwMDcvMTIvMDQjQXIwMDQwMw==&Mode=HTML&Locale=english-skin-custom

If this is the idea generation, then I am sorry, we are not going anywhere...
My point is let everyone grow and prosper...
If people are resistent to change, and the change is +ve, we need to make them understand and carry along with us...

ssindhu
December 7th, 2007, 03:44 PM
Dear Seema,

These are the new ideas which are being generated from the pople who get easy money (by selling their land), once they have surplus of money

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Q0FQLzIwMDcvMTIvMDQjQXIwMDQwMw==&Mode=HTML&Locale=english-skin-custom

If this is the idea generation, then I am sorry, we are not going anywhere...
My point is let everyone grow and prosper...
If people are resistent to change, and the change is +ve, we need to make them understand and carry along with us...
i know buddy...but you are again and again neglecting my point (intentionally/unintentionally), which is that such pompous people even if they don't have money, will splurge in any case...

i have seen people who don't have lands and neither they have sold anything, yet they will borrow money and splurge on unnecessary things...

i remember i had gone to a collegemate's wedding, and i was awstruck looking at the reception extravanza...a year later, i got to meet the guy riding his pregnant wife on bike in market...and i was thinking inside that if he had bought a car rather wasting so much of money on feeding 1000s of people in such splendid pandaal, his wife won't be facing this difficulty on riding on bike adjusting her baby bump...

so buddy, those who don't have brain will splurge in any case...keep aside land selling

solankimk
December 7th, 2007, 05:03 PM
i know buddy...but you are again and again neglecting my point (intentionally/unintentionally), which is that such pompous people even if they don't have money, will splurge in any case...

i have seen people who don't have lands and neither they have sold anything, yet they will borrow money and splurge on unnecessary things...

i remember i had gone to a collegemate's wedding, and i was awstruck looking at the reception extravanza...a year later, i got to meet the guy riding his pregnant wife on bike in market...and i was thinking inside that if he had bought a car rather wasting so much of money on feeding 1000s of people in such splendid pandaal, his wife won't be facing this difficulty on riding on bike adjusting her baby bump...

so buddy, those who don't have brain will splurge in any case...keep aside land selling

Seema agreed fully with you but it is little different from the thread anyway confirm few point
1. he had car or not?
2. are they going to come congested area near to their residence with few hundred meter

ssindhu
December 8th, 2007, 11:46 AM
Seema agreed fully with you but it is little different from the thread anyway confirm few point
1. he had car or not?
2. are they going to come congested area near to their residence with few hundred meter
it might be lil diverted from the thread, but was directly integrating to your helipad story in TOI...you again missed my point that those who have splurging habbits, they will spurge even if their lands are not sold...they will borrow even...the fault lies in mind not in a selling lands and getting money...

1. nopes they didn't have any car
2. they are a middle class family, living in 160 yards house...(for your answers, though it has nothing to do with the thread, as neither they had land nor they sold anything...moreover those whose lands are getting sold, their killas are getting sold not the houses...infact after selling lands, they are building better houses)

and educating their kids in better schools and colleges, thankfully the kids don't have to work in laamnis in their exams duration...and they are doing well what they used to do in farming times...that's the way to the future of india...educated and a modern india...

yatinder19
December 9th, 2007, 11:55 AM
it might be lil diverted from the thread, but was directly integrating to your helipad story in TOI...you again missed my point that those who have splurging habbits, they will spurge even if their lands are not sold...they will borrow even...the fault lies in mind not in a selling lands and getting money...

1. nopes they didn't have any car
2. they are a middle class family, living in 160 yards house...(for your answers, though it has nothing to do with the thread, as neither they had land nor they sold anything...moreover those whose lands are getting sold, their killas are getting sold not the houses...infact after selling lands, they are building better houses)

and educating their kids in better schools and colleges, thankfully the kids don't have to work in laamnis in their exams duration...and they are doing well what they used to do in farming times...that's the way to the future of india...educated and a modern india...
Well said...Its correct...

gauravgu
December 11th, 2007, 12:17 PM
i know buddy...but you are again and again neglecting my point (intentionally/unintentionally), which is that such pompous people even if they don't have money, will splurge in any case...

i have seen people who don't have lands and neither they have sold anything, yet they will borrow money and splurge on unnecessary things...

i remember i had gone to a collegemate's wedding, and i was awstruck looking at the reception extravanza...a year later, i got to meet the guy riding his pregnant wife on bike in market...and i was thinking inside that if he had bought a car rather wasting so much of money on feeding 1000s of people in such splendid pandaal, his wife won't be facing this difficulty on riding on bike adjusting her baby bump...

so buddy, those who don't have brain will splurge in any case...keep aside land selling

The % of people spending without reason is very less and it is going to exponentially rise once more people have more [Extra] money with them...

Also not diverting from the topic...selling Haryana/land to outsiders...is not at all appropriate...I am not against develpoment...lakin not on behalf of innocent farmers...

Why dont govt provide them with better infrastructure, better irrigation facilities, better education and health opportunities...
and for that matter why dont Govt provide them barren land...so that area also develops..

skadian123
December 16th, 2007, 04:27 PM
Once again, so far it has been an interesting discussion on the pros and cons of this one-sided development taking place in Haryana. In fact, would like to extend my thanks to Mukesh Solanki ji for endorsing my viewpoint.

I am sure those against the idea behind this thread must also be having the agenda of upliftment of the community close to their hearts. We know the destination, its just a matter of the route we take to reach there.

Jats have been an open and welcoming community embracing with open arms all the migrants from times in the distant past till now. The outcome of which has been that these communities have prospered alongside each other giving breathing space to each other. However, since the last 5-10 years this influx of outsiders has grown to such an extent that the original inhabitants are turning into a minority. I see so many threads where Jats from Haryana/Western UP/Rajasthan residing in some other state feel the need to be associated with their communities (please read this as roots) in some form or the other. Have we thought why does this happen - because they are a minority there - there are not many people who speak their language - share the same culture - have the relations residing nearby.

The only concern that comes to mind is - with so much of migration from outside taking place and the community not being present in a consistent and concentrated form - we as a community are bound to feel in our very own state/s the way we feel when we are in Bihar, W. Bengal etc., longing to return to our familiar surroundings and people. But a stage will come when we will have no where to return to because those familiar surroundings and people would have all changed by then.

The intention is not to paint a grim picture of the future of the community but to awaken everyone to the consequences of the impending crisis.

Lets take the concepts of modernity and development beyond the clothes we wear and the food we eat. We are proud to be Indians and we are concerned about the challenges being faced by our country. But as they say - Charity begins at home. First set your house in order before you can talk about the evils outside.

Give part of your today for your community's tomorrow. This contribution can be in any form - contribute by just doing your bit........

parmenderd
December 22nd, 2007, 11:26 PM
it has been a very interesting as well as concerning topic for not only jats from haryana but jats from up, rj and delhi.
I have read most of the previous threads and most of the responses are very informative and really make a healthy debate.
some of our friends debating over safeguarding the rights of the land for jats. my question for them is
could you please tell me how much is the average net income from agriculture in Haryana. If we consider other factors like increasing costs, inflation, overall growth of economy in harayan and all over India, we can easily conclude that agricultural income is not sifficient even for the basic survival today in 2007. and we are talking about future, 30-40 years from now. its time for change. change in peoples mentality, change in our life style and most important change in our EDUCATION SYSTEM. the parameters of success have changed now.We are talking about safeguarding the rights of land for jats. How many Jats fom the NCR and new delhi area, who sold thier lands to industrialists and developers and made Crores, have used their money wisely. I still remember few years ago, when the sectors were developed in gurgaon, that EVERY JAT FROM THESE AREAS HAD A SCORPIO OR TATA SAFARI. Same people who till then were struggling to even afford a bike. I am sure most of you folks are aware of that issue. Only a handful of Jats from those were able to invest that money and most of them JUST BLEW IT.
Who is to blame for that?
Nobody but us only.
the political system and government is corrupt in not only Haryana but everywhere on earth. So its time for all the Jats to take the matters in their own hands and act. its time for change. those who do not want to change will really find it difficult to make it in the coming years.

"ZAMEEN KI AKAD" has been one of the reasons so far for lack of development in Jats. THOSE OF US WHO HAVE COME OUT OF THIS AKAD, ARE SUCCESSFUL , AND THE REMAINING WILL SUCCEED ONLY WHEN THEY COME OOUT OF THIS ZAMEEN KI AKAD.
For that I believe education is very important. the education to keep pace with the changing technology. its the INTERNET AGE. and I m sure most of the Jats are very smart and intelligent( otherwise they won't use cell phone while working in the fields)
Comparing JATS with other communities, we are very hard working, smart, intelligent and generous. we only need to follow the right direction

skadian123
December 23rd, 2007, 09:04 PM
Though there have been so many responses to this thread making up a healthy discussion, it seems most of us on this thread have not got the central message of this thread.

The message the author would like to bring out is that safeguarding land rights is not a substitite to good education and progressive outlook. We as a community need good education and a responsive government. But the question remains - out of all things in the world, is development only possible through selling land. Can't the son of a farmer become a doctor, engineer or a software professional without selling his land. In which book of wisdom is it written that Land has to be sold for development. Why can't we have on the same land, world class schools in our state with faculty from outside India with seats reserved for the underpriviliged children of the state/community instead of those swanky malls. By doing this we can ensure that we give a level playing field to these tiny tots so that when they face the big bad world outside they are well equipped to beat the competition given by a bengali or a tamilian whizkid (with all due respect to the acknowledged intellect of these people).

The only thing that the author stresses on is that learn, prosper and grow but selling land for that is not a solution, but a problem in the making which we are blissfully ignoring in our comfortable present and which is like wasting precious water while approaching a mirage in a desert.

We say all the governments in the world are corrupt. Where is it written again that if somebody is accepting a wrong without resistance, we also have to accept it. We do all things modern because somebody else does it. Why cannot we have thought leadership and do something which others may not be doing but if you do it, it benefits your community/state. A good example of the thought leadership and being a ME-TOO is the trend of using packaged water. We Indians blindly aped the west in using packaged mineral water. The uses were really good - quality drinking water anytime and anywhere. Then the Americans realised that the use of polypet bottles for packaged drinking water harms the environment and have discouraged its use. We Indians again have realised after the Americans have, that it is harmful to use packaged stuff and have started following them in this trend.

For once, why cannot we be original and think on our own two feet what is good and bad for us instead of just thinking that They (other states) have corrupt governments and so we will also have to live with it.

We need to for our own sake realise the power of WE, WE THE PEOPLE. We can make mountains move if we all get together and make a concerted effort. There are many examples of this collective might of people - creation of Haryana, Uttarakhand etc.

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The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

parmenderd
December 23rd, 2007, 11:25 PM
Kadian ji I fully agree with what your point. If we could have that kind of development, then we would be really having a sustainable development of not only jats but the whole Haryana. But how can get the message sent across the people and make them realiseit importance. that's a big challenge.
I m not saying that it is impossible but who is going to take the responsibility.
We all have been thrown in a kind of rat race that hardly we are left with any time to think about our society. and if some people dare to take initiative there are hundreds of other people waiting sippress such people.
Why does India has such a high growth rate? and a high growth rate should be a symbol of growth of people, prosperity and overall a healthy economy. Why are struggling with the same issues we struggled 30 or 40 years ago.
Do you still think reservation system can be good for any society?
there are hundreds of issues that we are facing in Haryana( as well as whole India)
In my point as you said QUALITY EDUCATION seems to be strongest weapon to deal with all these issues.
Its hightime that we should have a better education system which is sustainable. that would lead to overall change in peoples perspective and would ultimately lead to development in the area.

saarthak
December 29th, 2007, 06:50 AM
ur right! If the government uses up the land of harayana to build malls and offices , what will happen to the cultural heritage of harayana and others lands like punjab gujrat and so on!

ranjitjat
December 30th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Dear Saarthak Beta very wise thought.

I agree with you our history and culture is important.
wish you and your family a very happy new year 2008.
we are in Lexington KY. You are welcome to visit us.
God bless you happiness and success.

ranjitjat
December 30th, 2007, 10:12 PM
I fully agree with Sunil Kadian.
Land is very important for Farmers.
Learn lesson what happened to Delhi Jats in 1940-50-60-70-80.
Few generations lost in Daru and Drugs
This is not any government job to rob farmers and give land to Punjipati as a present.
NO TO SEZ IN HARYANA OR ANY WHERE ATLEAST IN JATHEARTLAND- UP- HARYANA- RAJAASTHAN
AND PUNJAB
No farmer should sale the land on any price.
If some one want to buy land- sale on 99 years leese.
No farmer should sale land on price as freehold.
The government is acting like a estate agent.
The rate of commission was 10% during one DESHBHAGAT CM time.
He was known as MR 10%
Now the rate is 50% Fifty/Fifty.

The message the author would like to bring out is that safeguarding land rights is not a substitite to good education and progressive outlook. We as a community need good education and a responsive government. But the question remains - out of all things in the world, is development only possible through selling land. Can't the son of a farmer become a doctor, engineer or a software professional without selling his land.

amiteshv
January 1st, 2008, 01:42 AM
ek jat sarvkhab panchayat hoya karti up mein us ne jatta ke jameen bechan pe bann laa diya tha. ukk jat jameen te bech sake se par choice is
1 aapne ghar mein bechega
2 aapne gaon ne bechega
3 aapne jat ne bechega
4 ..................................

rajputo ki tereh kuch jat bhi mughalo ke pittu ho gaye the up main unhone mughlo ka anusaran kiya aur apni jameen jaydad aiyashi mein bech khani shuru kar di. jab jaake jaton ne ya farman lagu kiya etc etc.
even in canada, usa, aboriginal tribes are given reservation in those universities why not jats are not given reservation in thoe universities which are made on jatland.
sindh was populated, gujrat, maharashtra were all jat lands as about 1300 years back one quasim invaded sindh when all buddhist jats supported him but hardly sufficient traces of jats are found in sindh today similar is fate of delhi and tommorow it will be the fate of all jatland that starts from indus in the west to ganges and chambal in the east.

amiteshv
January 1st, 2008, 11:49 PM
dudee ji seems 2b 2 lvng smtimes:)

skadian123
January 7th, 2008, 11:49 PM
Four very important events/announcements that highlight the importance of safeguarding our land.

First, Congratulations to the Chief Minister of Goa, Mr. Digambar Kamath in taking on the Central Government head-on on the issue of SEZs by denotifying/cancelling the sanctioned SEZs in his state (though the same is being contested by the Central government obviously due to the monetary gains it would be making by selling land to the land sharks). All credit goes to this CM who has the foresight to look into the pitfalls of having SEZs sprouting up everywhere in his state thereby preventing the resources (including land) of his state from getting into the hands of a few well connected and rich corporate bigwigs including real estate sharks. Credit for this also goes to the people of Goa who looked beyond their comfortable present into the dark implications of wanton concretisation of their lands. Only wish my people including the state politicians could also rise up to the occasion and look into the seemingly not so obvious, but negative consequences of selling off our land to outsiders.

Second, credit also goes to the CM of Bihar in opposing on the ground of selective targetting of Biharis, the Delhi Lieutenant Governor's proposed directive of every person in Delhi mandatorily possessing some documentary identity proof. Though, to challenge or even comment on such directives issued by one state is not the prerogative of any other state's CM, Sh. Nitish Kumar rose to the occasion/challenge by taking up the case of lakhs of Biharis working and residing in Delhi. Despite being scorned for hailing from a backward and feudalistic state, which Bihari's chest would not swell to see their CM coming to their rescue in another state where he does not have any jurisdiction. This move of Id-proof would also affect the migrants from Haryana who might not be having any id-proof issued by the Delhi government, yet there was no similar gesture from any politician from Haryana.

Third, the Gujarat CM, Sh. Narendra Modi exhorting the PM to ensure the well-being of the prosperous Gujarati community in strife torn Kenya which is witnessing civil war like situation on account of friction among various tribes. It is one thing to project its initiatives on well being of its citizens by the state government and quite another to actually work on those projections on ground/in reality.

How many politicians/elected representatives (in the parliament) from Haryana, have raised questions in the interest of its residents in the parliament?? During discussions and debates in the parliament, you get to see and hear elected leaders from almost all states except Haryana raise issues on development/ resource requirement/allocation for their regions. Is our elected representatives' job only to get elected, have a decent government bungalow/flat alloted in Delhi, go to the parliament to sit quietly and mark their attendance and at the end of the five-year term get re-elected? Are they actually our representatives and if so, are our (the state's people's) issues/concerns not their concerns?

Fourth, another major influx of outsiders knocking at the doorsteps of the Jatbelt. Please refer to the recently announced Delhi Government's plan to develop 5 new mega-cities in Delhi (please read this as Delhi's outer jat belt) to accomodate the ever-increasing mass of outsiders (73 Lakhs to be precise). And as has happened in the past, the ignorant residents of Outer Delhi (rural Jatbelt) would gleefully sell their land seeing the sudden rush of easy money in lieu of their land. IF ONLY WE COULD LEARN FROM OUR PAST MISTAKES...

May I request one and all from this esteemed website to educate the people they know in this outer Delhi Jatbelt on the consequences of ignorantly selling their lands while eyeing the easy money against their land. Can we have some retired Lawyers/Judges form a panel to take up the cases of the people who would not want to get their land acquired. It's time we said - Enough is Enough and take collective action to prevent the onslaught of outsiders.

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Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces,
I would still plant my apple tree.

- Martin Luther

skadian123
January 7th, 2008, 11:52 PM
Four very important events/announcements that highlight the importance of safeguarding our land.

First, Congratulations to the Chief Minister of Goa, Mr. Digambar Kamath in taking on the Central Government head-on on the issue of SEZs by denotifying/cancelling the sanctioned SEZs in his state (though the same is being contested by the Central government obviously due to the monetary gains it would be making by selling land to the land sharks). All credit goes to this CM who has the foresight to look into the pitfalls of having SEZs sprouting up everywhere in his state thereby preventing the resources (including land) of his state from getting into the hands of a few well connected and rich corporate bigwigs including real estate sharks. Credit for this also goes to the people of Goa who looked beyond their comfortable present into the dark implications of wanton concretisation of their lands. Only wish my people including the state politicians could also rise up to the occasion and look into the seemingly not so obvious, but negative consequences of selling off our land to outsiders.

Second, credit also goes to the CM of Bihar in opposing on the ground of selective targetting of Biharis, the Delhi Lieutenant Governor's proposed directive of every person in Delhi mandatorily possessing some documentary identity proof. Though, to challenge or even comment on such directives issued by one state is not the prerogative of any other state's CM, Sh. Nitish Kumar rose to the occasion/challenge by taking up the case of lakhs of Biharis working and residing in Delhi. Despite being scorned for hailing from a backward and feudalistic state, which Bihari's chest would not swell to see their CM coming to their rescue in another state where he does not have any jurisdiction. This move of Id-proof would also affect the migrants from Haryana who might not be having any id-proof issued by the Delhi government, yet there was no similar gesture from any politician from Haryana.

Third, the Gujarat CM, Sh. Narendra Modi exhorting the PM to ensure the well-being of the prosperous Gujarati community in strife torn Kenya which is witnessing civil war like situation on account of friction among various tribes. It is one thing to project its initiatives on well being of its citizens by the state government and quite another to actually work on those projections on ground/in reality.

How many politicians/elected representatives (in the parliament) from Haryana, have raised questions in the interest of its residents in the parliament?? During discussions and debates in the parliament, you get to see and hear elected leaders from almost all states except Haryana raise issues on development/ resource requirement/allocation for their regions. Is our elected representatives' job only to get elected, have a decent government bungalow/flat alloted in Delhi, go to the parliament to sit quietly and mark their attendance and at the end of the five-year term get re-elected? Are they actually our representatives and if so, are our (the state's people's) issues/concerns not their concerns?

Fourth, another major influx of outsiders knocking at the doorsteps of the Jatbelt. Please refer to the recently announced Delhi Government's plan to develop 5 new mega-cities in Delhi (please read this as Delhi's outer jat belt) to accomodate the ever-increasing mass of outsiders (73 Lakhs to be precise). And as has happened in the past, the ignorant residents of Outer Delhi (rural Jatbelt) would gleefully sell their land seeing the sudden rush of easy money in lieu of their land. IF ONLY WE COULD LEARN FROM OUR PAST MISTAKES...

May I request one and all from this esteemed website to educate the people they know in this outer Delhi Jatbelt on the consequences of ignorantly selling their lands while eyeing the easy money against their land. Can we have some retired Lawyers/Judges form a panel to take up the cases of the people who would not want to get their land acquired. It's time we said - Enough is Enough and take collective action to prevent the onslaught of outsiders.

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Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces,
I would still plant my apple tree.

- Martin Luther