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sidchhikara
December 14th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Here is what happens to the taxes that the government steals from you.
By the way, out of the whole year you might work 4 months for the government as an unpaid slave.

Here it is...

Nadiraji Wants Your Money (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/nadiraji-wants-your-money/)

This is the 44th installment (http://www.livemint.com/2007/12/12223825/Nadiraji-wants-your-money.html) of my weekly column for Mint, Thinking it Through (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Thinking%20it%20Through/).
A few days ago, the respected theatre artist Nadira Babbar spoke to the newspaper DNA (http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1136793) about the state of theatre in Mumbai. She felt that there weren’t enough good auditoriums in the city. “My appeal to the government is to build small, simple auditoriums with basic infrastructure,” she said. “I am seriously thinking of meeting the chief minister and put before him certain stark realities of the state of theatre. Some of my proposals are to subsidize the rates of the halls. Secondly, it would be of great help if they subsidize the rates of placing advertisements in newspapers; not only for the theatre events, but also for other cultural events.”
Most of us would sympathize with her. The arts are essential to a civilized society, and deserve our support. And there are many neglected areas of it, besides theatre, where an infusion of funds would help. Traditional folk arts are dying out, literature in regional languages gets a raw deal, and so on. So, naturally, many of us turn to the state.
But should we?
We appeal for government spending much as children appeal to their parents. “Dad, I’m thinking of taking guitar classes, it costs X.” Or “Mom, I want to learn Bharatanatyam, the fees are Y.” And Mom and Dad evaluate if it’s good for us and fork out the money.
But parents spend their own money, money honestly earned. It’s not so simple when it comes to the government.
The money that our government spends does not come from the skies. It is taken, forcibly, from millions of ordinary citizens in this country. Those include not just you and I, who are effectively slaves of the government for three or four months of every year, depending on what percentage of our income our total taxes come to. They also include my maidservant, your building chaprasi and the girl who sells flowers at the Haji Ali traffic signal, all of whom contribute to the government coffers when they purchase a bar of soap or a chappal.
I’m not taking the extreme view that the government should not tax us. We need a government to protect our rights (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/the-origin-of-human-rights/), and for a handful of essential purposes. For these, taxes are a necessary evil. But we should question its use beyond these necessities, for taxes come at a high cost.
The French writer Frédéric Bastiat had once asked (http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html#theatres_fine_arts), “Does the right of the legislator extend to abridging the wages of the artisan, for the sake of adding to the profits of the artist?”
Let me paraphrase that question in the context of Mrs Babbar: “Does the right of the legislator extend to abridging the wages of my maidservant, your building chaprasi and the girl who sells flowers at the Haji Ali traffic signal, for the sake of adding to the profits of the theatre groups of Mumbai?”
Ah, I can already hear the protests. “But theatre is a worthy cause, and deserves to be promoted,” the howls come. Indeed, but my maid may find uses for her money that she thinks are worthier. Her tax burden—and ours— could be eased considerably if the government stopped taking from Peter to give to Paul. And even if you insist on parting her from that money, it could be argued that the government itself could do worthier things with it. After all, tens of millions of people in India still lack access to clean drinking water.
I am reminded here of something the American Congressman Ron Paul once suggested (http://www.dailycampus.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=14ef05a7-6963-41b4-a1d5-cca53b82aec5). Paul was the sole dissenting vote when the US Congress voted to give the Congressional Gold Medal to Rosa Parks, and also voted against giving it to Mother Teresa and the Pope. His point was not that they did not deserve it. He simply saw no reason why the taxpayer should cough up the $30,000 each medal is estimated to cost. Instead, he proposed that every member of Congress who supported the award pay $100 from his or her own pocket towards the cost of the medal.

sidchhikara
December 14th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Similarly, I suggest that those who support all sorts of worthy causes should consider funding it themselves instead of demanding it of me, my maid or your chaprasi. It is easy to ask for other people’s money to be spent to support causes you support—but is it moral? Also, such short cuts to nobility are often hypocritical—if everybody who supported government funding for Mumbai theatre actually went and watched some plays, my guess is that there would be no need for a subsidy.
There are all kinds of good causes in this world that deserve our support, and we should not hesitate to support them if we feel strongly about it. But we should be careful of what we ask from the government, for it involves other people’s money. Instead, we should put our own money where our mouth is, and have the self-respect to refrain from demanding other people’s dosh.
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You can browse through all my columns for Mint in my Thinking it Through archives (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Thinking%20it%20Through/).
And my occasional series: Where your taxes go: 1 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/07/where-your-taxes-go-1.html), 2 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/07/where-your-taxes-go-2.html), 3 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/07/where-your-taxes-go-3.html), 4 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/07/where-your-taxes-go-4.html), 5 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/08/where-your-taxes-go-5_10.html), 6 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/08/where-your-taxes-go-6.html), 7 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/09/where-your-taxes-go-7.html), 8 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/09/where-your-taxes-go-8.html), 9 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/10/where-your-taxes-go-9.html), 10 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/10/where-your-taxes-go-10.html), 11 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/10/where-your-taxes-go-11.html), 12 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/11/where-your-taxes-go.html), 13 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/12/where-your-taxes-go-13.html), 14 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2007/01/where-your-taxes-go-14.html), 15 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-15/), 16 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-16/), 17 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-17/), 18 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-18/), 19 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-19/), 20 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-20/), 21 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-21/), 22 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-22/), 23 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-23/), 24 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-24/), 25 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-go-25/). Also see: 1 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/08/government-money-is-our-money.html), 2 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2006/09/sania-mirza-wants-your-money.html), 3 (http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2007/01/tax-relief-for-amitabh-bachchan.html), 4 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-americas-taxes-go/), 5 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/where-your-taxes-almost-went/), 6 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/should-government-subsidize-the-arts/), 7 (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/listen-to-our-honourable-mps/).
http://www.indiauncut.com/images/folder.gif Posted at 12:09 AM (http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/nadiraji-wants-your-money/) by Amit Varma in Arts and entertainment (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Arts%20and%20entertainment/) | Economics (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Economics/) | Essays and Op-Eds (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Essays%20and%20Op-Eds/) | Freedom (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Freedom/) | India (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/India/) | Politics (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Politics/) | Thinking it Through (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Thinking%20it%20Through/)

sumeetmalik
December 14th, 2007, 02:02 PM
I read this column as well. Amit is a great writer. He breaks everything down to make it simple. Reminds of of Danziel Washington in Philedelphia, 'Explain to me as if I am a six-year old.'

Now I also see where a lot of your cynicism and anger about the state of politics in India comes from. Dont kill me for venturing into such a wild conjecture!

ssindhu
December 14th, 2007, 02:07 PM
Sidh i warn you don't you play HD Thoreau here on JL...i will file a civil disobidience case against you...lol

ssindhu
December 14th, 2007, 02:08 PM
I read this column as well. Amit is a great writer. He breaks everything down to make it simple. Reminds of of Danziel Washington in Philedelphia, 'Explain to me as if I am a six-year old.'

Now I also see where a lot of your cynicism and anger about the state of politics in India comes from. Dont kill me for venturing into such a wild conjecture!


you sycophant

smeker
December 14th, 2007, 07:45 PM
These are moderators?
they are crap
they make stupid restrictions.
they suks
even Bush is smarter then they

smeker
December 14th, 2007, 08:00 PM
dreaming moderators

sumeetmalik
December 14th, 2007, 10:47 PM
you sycophant

I was going to retort in the same vein but I see banned against your name which means you cant reply back. That is unnecessary advatage to me but no fun. I hope this is temporary and I can give you an answer baaaaeeeetch:)

sidchhikara
December 14th, 2007, 10:51 PM
I was going to retort in the same vein but I see banned against your name which means you cant reply back. That is unnecessary advatage to me but no fun. I hope this is temporary and I can give you an answer baaaaeeeetch:)

Sumit,
Do you want to get banned also!! The mods are getting their slang reference book out.

sumeetmalik
December 14th, 2007, 10:57 PM
the hotly debated topic on Jatland today is Censorship and the rights of the members. I wanted to share an earlier column by Amit on Human Rights.

The Origin of Human Rights

This is the 42nd installment (http://www.livemint.com/2007/11/28222512/The-origin-of-human-rights.html) of my weekly column for Mint, Thinking it Through (http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/categories/category/Thinking%20it%20Through/).
This is the 42nd installment of Thinking it Through, and over the last 41 weeks, I have often bored my readers with talk of “rights” and “freedoms” and so on. Such talk is everywhere—politicians love to speak of rights to display their compassion, and of freedom to display their liberalism. Often, though, these terms are dreadfully misused, and hide double standards that none of our politicians are exempt from. With a humble ponderousness alert, allow me to explain my notion of the basis of human rights.
In my view of the world, the most basic right of all is one that we are born with: the right to self-ownership. All legitimate human rights emerge from this. If we own ourselves, we obviously have the right to life, and to live as we please. Our thoughts and speech belong to us—thus, the right to free speech. Our labour, and the fruits of our labour, belong to us—thus, all property rights. And so on.
All these rights are contingent on our respecting the rights of others— they have no meaning otherwise. For example, my right to free speech entitles me to express myself as I please only when it does not involve an infringement on someone else’s right. If Mint refuses to publish this column, I cannot accuse it of censorship—my right to free speech ends where Mint’s right to property begins. On my own blog, and in a public space, I don’t have to worry about this.
Our politicians, and many commentators, display double standards when it comes to protecting our rights. They would agree that a person’s life is his own property, and that taking it away from him—i.e., murder—is wrong. Equally, they would agree that his labour belongs only to him, and to deny him of it amounts to slavery. But they don’t extend that logic to other human rights that have the same moral basis.
For example, if it is wrong to deny me of my labour, why does it become okay to take away some of the fruits of my labour? If the government marched us off to work for it for four months of every year, most of us would protest and call it slavery. If one-third of our income is taxed, it amounts to the same thing. But we don’t protest. Indeed, if murder and rape and slavery are wrong, then what about import duty and censorship and taxes? The same principle sits at the heart of all these matters—the right to self-ownership. Any politician who defends free speech but opposes free markets, or vice versa, is being philosophically inconsistent.

sumeetmalik
December 14th, 2007, 10:59 PM
There is, of course, a utilitarian justification for limited taxes. Our whole framework of rights stands for nothing in the real world if there is no one to protect them. That, many classical liberals like me would say, is the only real justification of government. We accept the taxes necessary for this as a necessary evil. But while the government cannot carry out this basic function properly—the rule of law is effectively absent or at best arbitrary for most poor people in India—it spends most of our taxes on other, wasteful things. Furthermore, it places huge restrictions on our freedoms—and, thus, infringes our rights.
The kind of rights I have described, the ones which arise from the right to self-ownership, are known to philosophers as negative rights. To respect them, others simply have to refrain from infringing them. But politicians have also come up with another class of rights known as positive rights. These require action from others.
For example, people speak of a right to education, or to health care, or to a livelihood. These are all desirable things, but there is no philosophical basis to describing them as rights. Indeed, positive rights directly clash with negative rights, and require their infringement. After all, how can a government provide education or medicines to some people without taking away the property of others via taxes? Redistributing property like this amounts to infringing the rights of some people to fulfil the needs or desires of others. I am not arguing that our government should not fund education or health care, but talking of it in terms of “rights” is shallow and meaningless.
Of course, we do not always make policy in the real world by referring to philosophy and first principles. Often, we look at consequences. And here we find the greatest triumph for the system of negative rights that I have just described. History stands testament to the link between freedom and progress: the countries that wipe out poverty the quickest have been the ones that have guaranteed economic freedom to their people. Social freedoms are equally important to enable a country’s citizens to express their potential to its greatest extent. Human progress is directly proportional to the respect shown to all the human rights that emerge from the fundamental right to self-ownership.
Politicians who ignore all evidence for this assertion are free to do so, of course. I would not dream of infringing on their right to self-delusion.


Is any one listening?

sidchhikara
December 15th, 2007, 09:56 PM
Thats a good find Sumit. It also talks about freedom of speech and property rights. That was the first point I made when they censored my post.

ssindhu
December 17th, 2007, 11:25 AM
I was going to retort in the same vein but I see banned against your name which means you cant reply back. That is unnecessary advatage to me but no fun. I hope this is temporary and I can give you an answer baaaaeeeetch:)
d@g now you can answer my call. lollll...