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shweta123
January 22nd, 2008, 03:40 PM
Every country has some ethnicity and traditions of its own. And these articulate a lot about the soul of that country, to put it simply, the cultures prevalent speak about the personality, living approaches, and perceptions etc of the people at large. We are known on the face of this world as people with affluent cultural heritage. Lets talk something about it, about the underlying concepts on which its roots rest, about the positive and negative aspects of them, about their origin, their importance and the likes. To start with, if we track these happenings as per the life cycle of an individual, then when a child is born, there happens to be “Kua-Poojan” in case of birth of a male child, many a gifts are exchanged and people from the new mother’s side bring some hefty gifts. There are many small ceremonies or just practices which are adhered to at the time of new births. Can anyone please tell us about the origin of such poojas, its significance and any such information?

dkumars
January 22nd, 2008, 03:58 PM
DND ji kahan ho aap ??? Thread bula raha haiiiiii .

Gud thread Shweta ... its gud to know about such customs and tradition. chalo aapke iss thread ke bahane kuch toh naya mil jaayega sunn ne ko

mukeshkumar007
January 22nd, 2008, 04:27 PM
To start with, if we track these happenings as per the life cycle of an individual, then when a child is born, there happens to be “Kua-Poojan” in case of birth of a male child, many a gifts are exchanged and people from the new mother’s side bring some hefty gifts.

kua poojan ka to dhyan nai lakin jaise hi choora hota tha to Thali jaroor bajai jati thi jor jor se.:). aur ab bhi bajai jati hai shyed... bera paat jyata tha ki ladka huwa hai.:):)..

ib kye concept tha iske peeche iska to bera hi na :confused::confused::confused:

shweta123
January 22nd, 2008, 04:43 PM
kua poojan ka to dhyan nai lakin jaise hi choora hota tha to Thali jaroor bajai jati thi jor jor se.:). aur ab bhi bajai jati hai shyed... bera paat jyata tha ki ladka huwa hai.:):)..

ib kye concept tha iske peeche iska to bera hi na :confused::confused::confused:

Acha tumko dhyan nahi ki tumhaare liye aisa kuch hua tha! Hotaa hai aksar ki jab hum 1 mahine ke hote hain tab ki baate yaad nahi rehti !! :) Waise ye prathaa maine to nahi suni...... Chaliye aapko ye nibandh to samajh aayaa...

mukeshkumar007
January 22nd, 2008, 05:14 PM
Chaliye aapko ye nibandh to samajh aayaa...

sab ms-word ki mehrbani hai :) wesye apko dhyan ho to keybord maie ENTER ka bi button aya kare hai, usko bi thoda thoda use kar liya karo..:):)

shweta123
January 22nd, 2008, 05:20 PM
sab ms-word ki mehrbani hai :) wesye apko dhyan ho to keybord maie ENTER ka bi button aya kare hai, usko bi thoda thoda use kar liya karo..:):)

I have some browsing problems here, so I cant write paras neither m able to use colors nowadays !! U should have notived this!

satbirsingh
January 22nd, 2008, 05:26 PM
I have some browsing problems here, so I cant write paras neither m able to use colors nowadays !! U should have notived this!
Thread to theek hee hai .........lakin ab is barey me batawe kone ?

shweta123
January 22nd, 2008, 05:32 PM
Thread to theek hee hai .........lakin ab is barey me batawe kone ?

Kaafi bade avam atayant vidwaan log hain yaha...... intezaar ka fal meetha hota hai.... ek baar wo aa gaye to kai nayi jaankaariyan milengi....

dkumars
January 22nd, 2008, 05:51 PM
sab ms-word ki mehrbani hai :) wesye apko dhyan ho to keybord maie ENTER ka bi button aya kare hai, usko bi thoda thoda use kar liya karo..:):)


wesye apko dhyan ho to keybord maie ENTER ka bi button aya kare hai, usko bi thoda thoda use kar liya karo.. ... bahut sahi kaha dost ... mere muh ki baat cheen li

vikasgulia
January 22nd, 2008, 07:01 PM
I have some browsing problems here, so I cant write paras neither m able to use colors nowadays !! U should have notived this!

अगर किसी कविता का मतलब न समझ आए तो वैसे भी कहा जाता है कि

"कवि जी तो कोरस में गाते हैं, अगर सबही को समझ आ जावे तो कवि काहे का"

कुछ ऐसा ही प्रारूप है श्वेता के निबंधों का :D:D:p

dndeswal
January 22nd, 2008, 07:17 PM
DND ji kahan ho aap ??? Thread bula raha haiiiiii .

Gud thread Shweta ... its gud to know about such customs and tradition. chalo aapke iss thread ke bahane kuch toh naya mil jaayega sunn ne ko

हां, थ्रैड तो अच्छी है देवेन्द्र । इसमें तो बहुत कुछ लिखा जा सकता है, "कल्चर" तो अपने आप में बहुत बड़ा विषय है । पर इतने सारे सवालों का जवाब एक जगह मुश्किल है ।

"पूजा" क्या है और "अपूजा" क्या है, यह जानने के लिए जाटलैंड wiki का यह पेज देखिये और उसके बाद "आर्य्योद्देश्यरत्नमाला" को क्लिक कीजिये :

http://www.jatland.com/home/Arya_Samaj_Literature (http://www.jatland.com/home/Arya_Samaj_Literature)



पूजा - जो ज्ञानादि गुणवाले का यथायोग्य सत्कार करना है, उसको 'पूजा' कहते हैं ।

अपूजा - जो ज्ञानादि गुण रहित जड़ पदार्थ का और जो सत्कार के योग्य नहीं है उसका जो सत्कार करना है वह 'अपूजा' कहाती है ।

इसका मतलब यह हुआ कि जिसे आप "पूजा" कह रहे हो, वह वैदिक हिसाब से "अपूजा" है । पत्थर पूजना, कुंआ पूजना या किसी किताब को पूजना (जैसे गुरुद्वारे में होता है) - ये सारी प्रथायें अज्ञान के कारण उपजी हैं और अन्धाधुंध हम इनको मानते आये हैं । बस, इतना ही बहुत है ।

हां, हरेक प्रथा की शुरुआत का कोई कारण तो होता है, जैसे हरेक कहावत के पीछे भी कोई कहानी छुपी होती है । जब हम कहते हैं "जिसकी लाठी उसकी भैंस", तो इसके पीछे भी एक कहानी छुपी है । आप में से किसी को इस कहावत का उदगम पता हो तो बताओ, नहीं तो मैं बता दूंगा ।
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rkumar
January 22nd, 2008, 09:35 PM
[QUOTE=shwetadhaka;159653........... To start with, if we track these happenings as per the life cycle of an individual, then when a child is born, there happens to be “Kua-Poojan” in case of birth of a male child, many a gifts are exchanged and people from the new mother’s side bring some hefty gifts. ............?[/QUOTE]

Water wells are considered pious not only in India, but in Europe also. One will find lots of coins dropped in wells in Scotland and Ireland. Europeans think that this tradtion came there from India. There might be some truth in this statement as there aqre common Jat surnames in Ireland. Here is some write up i got on water well worship in Ireland and other parts of UK;
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WELL-WORSHIP
THAT so wet a country as Ireland should have so great a reverence for wells, is an evidence how early the primitive and composite races there came under the moral influence of oriental visitors and rulers, who had known in their native lands the want of rain, the value of wells. So deep was this respect, that by some the Irish were known as the People of Wells.In remote ages and realms, worship has been celebrated at fountains or wells. R="DarkSlateBlue"]They were dedicated to Soim in India. Sopar-soma was the fountain of knowledge. Oracles were delivered there. But there were Cursing as well as Blessing wells.[/COLOR] Wells were feminine, and the feminine principle was the object of adoration there, though the specific form thereof changed with the times and the faith. In Christian lands they were dedicated, naturally enough, to the Virgin Mary. It is, however, odd to find a change adopted in some instances after the Reformation. Thus, according to a clerical writer in the Graphic, 1875, a noted Derbyshire well had its annual festival on Ascension Day, when the place was adorned with crosses, poles, and arches. All was religiously done in honour of the Trinity, the vicar presiding. Catholic localities still prefer to decorate holy wells on our Lady's Assumption Day.
It was in vain that the Early Church, the Medieval Church, and even the Protestant Church, sought to put down well-worship, the inheritance of extreme antiquity. Strenuous efforts were made by Councils. That of Rouen in the seventh century declared that offerings made, there in the form of flowers, branches, rags, &c., were sacrifices to the devil. Charlemagne issued in 789 his decree against it--as did our Edgar and Canute.
As Scotland caught the infection by contact with Ireland, it was needful for the Presbyterian Church to restrain the folly. This was done by the Presbytery of Dingwall in 1656, though even worse practices were then condemned; as, the adoration of stones, the pouring of milk on hills, and the sacrifice of bulls. In 1628 the Assembly, prohibiting visits to Christ's well at Falkirk on May mornings, got a law passed sentencing offenders to a fine of twenty pounds Scot, and the exhibition in sackcloth for three Sundays in church. Another act put the offenders in prison for a week on bread and water. Mahomet even could not hinder the sanctity attached to the well Zamzam at Mecca. More ancient still was holy Beersheba, the seven wells.
Wales, especially North Wales, so long and intimately associated with Ireland, had many holy wells, as St Thecla's at Llandegla, and St Winifrede's of Flintshire Holywell. St Madron's well was useful in testing the loyalty of lovers. St. Breward's well cured bad eyes, and received offerings in cash and pins. St Cleer's was good for nervous ailments, and benefited the insane. The Druid magician Tregeagle is said still to haunt Dozmare Pool. Henwen is the Old Lady Well. The Hindoo Vedas proclaim that "all healing power is in the waters" Hydromancy, or divination by the appearance of water in a well, is cherished to the present time. One Christian prayer runs thus:--
"'Water, water, tell me truly,
Is the man that I love duly,
On the earth, or under the sod,
Sick or well--in the name of God."
Irish wells have been re-baptized, and therefore retain their sanctity. A stout resistance to their claims seems to have been made awhile by the early missionaries, since Columba exorcised a demon from a well possessed by it. They all, however, liked to resort to wells for their preaching stations. In one of the Lives of St. Patrick, it is related that "he preached at a fountain (well) which the Druids worshipped as a God."
Milligan assures us, "The Celtic tribes, starting from hot countries, where wells were always of the utmost value, still continued that reverence for them which had been handed down in their traditions." This opinion may be controverted by ethnologists. But Croker correctly declares that even now in Ireland, "near these wells little altars or shrines are frequently constructed, often in the rudest manner, and kneeling before them, the Irish peasant is seen offering up his prayers."
It is not a little singular that these unconfined Irish churches should be in contiguity with Holy Oaks or Holy Stones. Prof. Harttung, in his Paper before the Historical Society, remarked of the Irish--"They have from time immemorial been inclined to superstition." He even believed in their ancient practice of human sacrifices. Pilgrimages to wells are frequent to this day. The times are fixed for them; as the first of February, in honour of Tober Brigid, or St. Bridget's well, of Sligo. The bushes are draped with offerings, and the procession must move round as the sun moves, like the heathen did at the same spot so long ago. At Tober Choneill, or St. Connell's well, the correct thing is to kneel, then wish for a favour, drink the water in silence, and quietly retire, never telling the wish, if desiring its fulfilment.
Unfortunately, these pilgrimages--often to wild localities--are attended with characteristic devotion to whisky and free fights. At the Holy Well, Tibber, or Tober, Quan, the water is first soberly drunk on the knees. But when the whisky, in due course, follows, the talking, Singing, laughing, and love-making may be succeeded by a liberal use of the blackthorn.
In the story of the Well of Kilmore is an allusion to mystical fishes. An old writer says, "They do call the said fishes Easa Seant, that is to say, holie fishes." In the charming poem of Diarmuid, there is an account of the Knight of the Fountain, and the sacred silver cup from which the pilgrim drank.
Giraldus, the Welsh Seer, beheld a man washing part of his head in the pool at the top of Slieve Gullion, in Ireland, when the part immediately turned grey, the hair having, been black before. The opposite effect would be a virtue. Prof. Robertson Smith, while admitting Well-worship as occurring with the most primitive of peoples, finds it connected with agriculture, when the aborigines had no better, knowledge of a God. The source of a spring, said he, "is honoured as a Divine Being, I had almost said a divine animal." "Such springs," remarks Rhys, "have in later times been treated as Holy Wells."
River-worship, as is well known, has been nearly universal among rude peoples, and human sacrifices not uncommonly followed. The river god of Esthonia some times appeared to the villagers as a little man with blue and-white stockings. Streams, like wells, are under care of local deities. Even our river Severn was ado in the time of the Roman occupation, as we know by Latin inscriptions.
Wells varied in curative powers. St. Tegla's was good for epilepsy. Rickety children benefit from a thrice dipping. Some, by the motion of the waters when something is thrown in, will indicate the coming direction wind. Some will cure blindness, like that at Rathlogan while others will cause it, except to some favoured mortals.
Offerings must be made to the spirit in charge of well, and to the priestess acting as guardian. If in any, way connected with the person, so much the better. A piece of a garment, money touched by the hand, or even
a pin from clothes, is sufficient. Pins should be dropped on a Saint's day, if good luck be sought. As Henderson's Folklore remarks, "The country girls imagine that the well is in charge of a fairy, or spirit, who must be propitiated by some offering." Some well-spirits, as Peg O'Nell of the Ribble, can be more than mischievous. Besides the dropping of metal, or the slaughter of fowls, a cure requires perambulation, sunwise, three times round the well. On Saints' day wells are often dressed with flowers.
Otway has asserted that "no religious place in Ireland can be without a holy well." But Irish wells are not the only ones favoured with presents of pins and rags, for Scotland, as well as Cornwall and other parts of England, retain the custom. Mason names some rag-wells:---Ardclines of Antrim, Erregall-Keroge of Tyrone, Dungiven, St. Bartholomew of Waterford, St. Brigid of Sligo.....
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RK^2

rkumar
January 22nd, 2008, 09:36 PM
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The spirits of the wells may appear as frogs or fish. Gomme, who has written so well on this subject, refers to a couple of trout, from time immemorial, in the Tober or well Kieran, Meath. Of two enchanted trout in the Galway Pigeon Hole, one was captured. As it immediately got free from the magic, turning into a beautiful young lady, the fisher, in fright, pitched it back into the well. Other trout-protected wells are recorded. Salmon and eels look after Tober Monachan, the Kerry well of Ballymorereigh. Two black fish take care of Kilmore well. That at Kirkmichael of Banff has only a fly in charge.

"The point of the legend is," writes Robertson Smith, "that the sacred source is either inhabited by a demoniac being, or imbued with demoniac life." It is useful, in the event of a storm near the coast, to let off the water from a well into the sea. This draining off was the practice of the Islanders of Inn is Murray. The Arran Islanders derive much comfort from casting into wells flint-heads used by their forefathers in war. Innis Rea has a holy well near the Atlantic.
What was the age of Well-worship? The President of the Folklore Society, who deems the original worshippers Non-Aryan, i.e. before Celts came to Ireland, identifies the custom with the erection of stone circles. The scientific anthropologist, General Pitt-Rivers, tells us, "It is impossible to believe that so singular a custom as this, invariably associated with cairns, megalithic monuments, holy wells, or some such early Pagan institutions, could have arisen independently in all these countries."
Enough has been said to show, as Wood-Martin observes, that "Water-worship, recommended by Seneca, tolerated by the Church in times of yore, is a cult not yet gone out." But one has written, "The printer's blanket somehow smothers miracles, and small pica plays the very mischief with sanctified wells."
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There are loads of interesting articles on water. Here is an interesting link where almost all aspects of water, including worshiping are covered;

http://www.iwha.net/abstracts/abstracts_b.htm

RK^2

mukeshkumar007
January 23rd, 2008, 11:39 AM
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

jitendershooda
January 23rd, 2008, 01:56 PM
kua poojan ka to dhyan nai lakin jaise hi choora hota tha to Thali jaroor bajai jati thi jor jor se.:). aur ab bhi bajai jati hai shyed... bera paat jyata tha ki ladka huwa hai.:):)..

ib kye concept tha iske peeche iska to bera hi na :confused::confused::confused:

Indeed a nice thread by Shweta.

Mukesh bhai perhaps this tradition was followed to make the child fearless. Chotta balak BIDHKYA kare bachpan mein ... kyun wo itne shant vatavaran te likad ke jib is dharti pe aave to terah terah ki aawjein sunta hai aur kuchek pe wo ek dum se dar jata hai .... to remove that dar from him Thalli was used .... Eeb chori hove jib konya bajai jati ... jaisa ki kae threads mein Dr. Ranbir Dahiya ji ne point out kiya hai .... may be they wish girls to be a bit fearfull that's why. Ek be ek chori dekhi kise ne apne chore tahi ... pache bera pattya ek chori ne saamp mar diya tha ... to hude taal kar di uneh ... sirf nue ek chori itne karde jee na honi chahiye ... :)

For the Kuan Poojan .... perhaps RK sir have better explained it.

Ek aur .... BAAG Pakdai .... jib chora ghudchadi pe jaan khatir ghodi pe baithe to uska Jeeja pakadya kare Ghodi ki Baag ne .... wo nue batan ne us tahi ek dekhe tun kise ki chori ne chalya se byan ... er thari chori mere dhore se .... sambhal ke raakhiye ... na to jo tun us gail kar sake hai wohe barteva mein kar sakun sun ... means this is to make the boy feel of his responsibilities towards the wife, who is also a girl of some one like his sister.

:) Koe truti rahe gae ho te bhaiyo sudhar diyo ...

shweta123
January 23rd, 2008, 03:05 PM
Indeed a nice thread by Shweta.

Mukesh bhai perhaps this tradition was followed to make the child fearless. Chotta balak BIDHKYA kare bachpan mein ... kyun wo itne shant vatavaran te likad ke jib is dharti pe aave to terah terah ki aawjein sunta hai aur kuchek pe wo ek dum se dar jata hai .... to remove that dar from him Thalli was used .... Eeb chori hove jib konya bajai jati ... jaisa ki kae threads mein Dr. Ranbir Dahiya ji ne point out kiya hai .... may be they wish girls to be a bit fearfull that's why. Ek be ek chori dekhi kise ne apne chore tahi ... pache bera pattya ek chori ne saamp mar diya tha ... to hude taal kar di uneh ... sirf nue ek chori itne karde jee na honi chahiye ... :)

For the Kuan Poojan .... perhaps RK sir have better explained it.

Ek aur .... BAAG Pakdai .... jib chora ghudchadi pe jaan khatir ghodi pe baithe to uska Jeeja pakadya kare Ghodi ki Baag ne .... wo nue batan ne us tahi ek dekhe tun kise ki chori ne chalya se byan ... er thari chori mere dhore se .... sambhal ke raakhiye ... na to jo tun us gail kar sake hai wohe barteva mein kar sakun sun ... means this is to make the boy feel of his responsibilities towards the wife, who is also a girl of some one like his sister.

:) Koe truti rahe gae ho te bhaiyo sudhar diyo ...

Thanks Jitendra ji, DND Sir and RK Sir for all these info ! Well, I tried starting from the practices etc followed from the time when a child is born, now coming to what you said, marriages in India are a huge packet of so many ceremonies, customs etc being practised like the one you mentioned ! 'Bhaat', 'dulhe ki aankh me kaajal daalna', 'baan lagna', 'devta pujan' and many more that I dont even have idea of and dont know where from these traditions must have come from !

shweta123
January 23rd, 2008, 03:21 PM
Just came crossways a group of people consisting of 2-3 boys and 3-4 girls sitting in open in premises of a commercial complex with cigarettes in one hand and sipping liquor direct from the bottle with the other hand. I wondered if anyone would have asked them do they think what they are doing is correct, then they must have said something like “Its my life, what have you to do with that!”, or “Let me fall into the well dammed, none of your business” – such has become the face of today’s youth, if not all, yet many. These girls must have thought they are shouldering men with equality in all terms, and these boys must be feeling good to have girls participating in their drinking ceremony. Drinking beer is good or not is subjective, and so is collective open display of such acts, but students not even out of college doing such things was never a part of our culture, then what has gone wrong that we see today’s youth attracted to such fatal luxuries, unbeatable style quotient, a maddening spree to look modern and trendy

mukeshkumar007
January 23rd, 2008, 03:46 PM
'Bhaat', 'dulhe ki aankh me kaajal daalna', 'baan lagna', 'devta pujan' and many more that I dont even have idea of and dont know where from these traditions must have come from !

Bhaat to pher bi acha concept hai lakin.. yeh baki ke jitne bi tradition hai shadi ke sare hi ajeeb lagte hai mujhe to jaise..aankh me kaajal daalna, piti maslna, baan, banora-banori nikalna, devta pujan...kabi nai samaj paya ki yeh sab kyo karte hai faltu maie....

Shadi ke din jab dulha ya dulhan taiyar ho jate hai to weha se uska MAMA usko good maie madap tak utha ke lata hai...hadh hi hogi...20-22 saal ki building ko good maie utana bi ajeeb hi hai...

ek baar gaam maie ek shadi thi..to dulhan kuch health thi aur bechara MAMA mara huwa sa.. ab jaise hi good mie uthan ke chala...do kadam chalte hi dhadam se gira sath maie dulhan bi... :):D hans hans ke paith phat ga tha.. :D:D

shaadi ke riwajo maie sabse jyada gussa mujhe pandit par ata hai..khali pili maie 1 ghante tak dhuwa ke samne baitaye pakata rehta hai.. kabi idhar chwal dhalo kabi udhar dhoob se pani ke chante do... kabi idhar paanch rupiye rakho to kabi udhar.. :mad:

ranjitjat
January 23rd, 2008, 04:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_customs_of_Jats
Har samaj ky kuch riti rivaj- customs- parampara hoti hae.
usi ko culture kahte han.
Chhati manana-6 Deen
10 Deen ky vad Havan hota hae
Jacha-Bacha Bahar Nikalte han
30 Deen ky vad Kuwa Puja jata hae
Geet- Sangeet har utsav ka main part hae.
Jatoo ky har gaon mae-
ya jab naya gaon basaya jata hae.
Jathhera banaya jata hae.
Gaon ky Dewata- KulDewata
Shivji- Bharoon- Bhayan ki ak mandhi
ya Shivji ka siwala har Gaon mae hota hae.
Kuan pujana- KULDewata ki Puja hoti hae.

Jab -Bacha pada hota hae- Maa ky pihar mae Bheli
bhejate han. Pihar sy chhuchak ata hae.
Naye teel pahar kar maa- pani lane kuye per jati hae
Mera Pila Rangade ho-----
Mae tao Holar jamugi------
Terae hone mae badi dukh paye lalana---
adi-adi geet gati han
Peela- Basanant ka partik hae.
Basant panchmi- Jatoo ka tuhar hae.
Sabhi jat-Jatni- Pila bastar-Pagdi pahan kar
Basant panchami manaty rahe han

shweta123
January 23rd, 2008, 04:24 PM
Bhaat to pher bi acha concept hai lakin.. yeh baki ke jitne bi tradition hai shadi ke sare hi ajeeb lagte hai mujhe to jaise..aankh me kaajal daalna, piti maslna, baan, banora-banori nikalna, devta pujan...kabi nai samaj paya ki yeh sab kyo karte hai faltu maie....

Shadi ke din jab dulha ya dulhan taiyar ho jate hai to weha se uska MAMA usko good maie madap tak utha ke lata hai...hadh hi hogi...20-22 saal ki building ko good maie utana bi ajeeb hi hai...

ek baar gaam maie ek shadi thi..to dulhan kuch health thi aur bechara MAMA mara huwa sa.. ab jaise hi good mie uthan ke chala...do kadam chalte hi dhadam se gira sath maie dulhan bi... :):D hans hans ke paith phat ga tha.. :D:D

shaadi ke riwajo maie sabse jyada gussa mujhe pandit par ata hai..khali pili maie 1 ghante tak dhuwa ke samne baitaye pakata rehta hai.. kabi idhar chwal dhalo kabi udhar dhoob se pani ke chante do... kabi idhar paanch rupiye rakho to kabi udhar.. :mad:

Koi nahi jab aapka number aayega tab sab achaa lagega !

mukeshkumar007
January 23rd, 2008, 05:11 PM
Koi nahi jab aapka number aayega tab sab achaa lagega !

phir ek line ka reply :mad::eek: :)

dkumars
January 23rd, 2008, 05:24 PM
Bhaat to pher bi acha concept hai lakin.. yeh baki ke jitne bi tradition hai shadi ke sare hi ajeeb lagte hai mujhe to jaise..aankh me kaajal daalna, piti maslna, baan, banora-banori nikalna, devta pujan...kabi nai samaj paya ki yeh sab kyo karte hai faltu maie....

Shadi ke din jab dulha ya dulhan taiyar ho jate hai to weha se uska MAMA usko good maie madap tak utha ke lata hai...hadh hi hogi...20-22 saal ki building ko good maie utana bi ajeeb hi hai...

ek baar gaam maie ek shadi thi..to dulhan kuch health thi aur bechara MAMA mara huwa sa.. ab jaise hi good mie uthan ke chala...do kadam chalte hi dhadam se gira sath maie dulhan bi... :):D hans hans ke paith phat ga tha.. :D:D

shaadi ke riwajo maie sabse jyada gussa mujhe pandit par ata hai..khali pili maie 1 ghante tak dhuwa ke samne baitaye pakata rehta hai.. kabi idhar chwal dhalo kabi udhar dhoob se pani ke chante do... kabi idhar paanch rupiye rakho to kabi udhar.. :mad:

Shadi ke din jab dulha ya dulhan taiyar ho jate hai to weha se uska MAMA usko good maie madap tak utha ke lata hai...hadh hi hogi...20-22 saal ki building ko good maie utana bi ajeeb hi hai... hahahah majje aage ... building ... hehehe ... ND bhai .. ghanna ND

shweta123
January 23rd, 2008, 05:25 PM
phir ek line ka reply :mad::eek: :)

Aadhi line chalegi? Ab aap bhi chaloo ho gaye...... kati mere haath se bandhna chaho ho ! Subah se chup hu ye kya kam hai !

shweta123
January 23rd, 2008, 05:28 PM
Shadi ke din jab dulha ya dulhan taiyar ho jate hai to weha se uska MAMA usko good maie madap tak utha ke lata hai...hadh hi hogi...20-22 saal ki building ko good maie utana bi ajeeb hi hai... hahahah majje aage ... building ... hehehe ... ND bhai .. ghanna ND

Ye mai bhi bolna chah rahi thi par ek line hi ban pa rahi thi........ badi mushkil ho gayi hai, kuch bhi karke badhana padega line ko.......

mukeshkumar007
January 23rd, 2008, 05:33 PM
Aadhi line chalegi? Ab aap bhi chaloo ho gaye...... kati mere haath se bandhna chaho ho ! Subah se chup hu ye kya kam hai !

are are are.... :) naraj nai hote..:):)

likho tum to jitni line likhni hai..dekhte hai kon bolta hai apki bar..wesye ek solution
hai
is
tareh enter press karke 4-5 line banai ja sakti hai :)

satbirsingh
January 23rd, 2008, 06:25 PM
shaadi ke riwajo maie sabse jyada gussa mujhe pandit par ata hai..khali pili maie 1 ghante tak dhuwa ke samne baitaye pakata rehta hai.. kabi idhar chwal dhalo kabi udhar dhoob se pani ke chante do... kabi idhar paanch rupiye rakho to kabi udhar.. :mad:
Bhai panditto ne to yon hee khaayaa hai jat ram .........lakin bhia kare bhee ke wo time aisa thaa ki agyaantaa ke andhere me the sab , ye to sukar hai Maharishi Dayanand Sarswati ji ka jiss ne is sansar ki aankh khole de.....nahi to bhai or bhee ghanghore..............paap hotey.........ab to fir bhee log Gurukul se leke aaney lage Shashtri ji ko Yajj wageraa ke liye ..............

Maniisha
January 23rd, 2008, 06:46 PM
Just came crossways a group of people consisting of 2-3 boys and 3-4 girls sitting in open in premises of a commercial complex with cigarettes in one hand and sipping liquor direct from the bottle with the other hand. I wondered if anyone would have asked them do they think what they are doing is correct, then they must have said something like “Its my life, what have you to do with that!”, or “Let me fall into the well dammed, none of your business” – such has become the face of today’s youth, if not all, yet many. These girls must have thought they are shouldering men with equality in all terms, and these boys must be feeling good to have girls participating in their drinking ceremony. Drinking beer is good or not is subjective, and so is collective open display of such acts, but students not even out of college doing such things was never a part of our culture, then what has gone wrong that we see today’s youth attracted to such fatal luxuries, unbeatable style quotient, a maddening spree to look modern and trendy

Gud Question Shweta Di ... :)
I think our youth is going back to hippie culture with some aversions.
Although todays youth is more bold than their yester years counterparts
and well equipped also. It seems that the wave of hippisim which once
rocked the world was never fully wiped out from our culture. Its traces
and scars remained which was brought to life by the channel v youth of
today. Everything is today anglicized. Its upto the youth themselves to
peek into the life's of their older counterparts and correct themselves.... :)

mukeshkumar007
January 23rd, 2008, 07:01 PM
Today’s youth are the victim of explicit personality. They themselves don’t know what they want from their life. Majority of them possess heard mentality. Agar ek ne fati huwi jeans pehni to sare hi uske tareh karma saru kar dete hai.. ek ne agar dhoni style maie baal badane saru kiye to sare hi usko copy karne lag jate hai..

jitendershooda
January 24th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Bhaat to pher bi acha concept hai lakin.. yeh baki ke jitne bi tradition hai shadi ke sare hi ajeeb lagte hai mujhe to jaise..aankh me kaajal daalna, piti maslna, baan, banora-banori nikalna, devta pujan...kabi nai samaj paya ki yeh sab kyo karte hai faltu maie....

Shadi ke din jab dulha ya dulhan taiyar ho jate hai to weha se uska MAMA usko good maie madap tak utha ke lata hai...hadh hi hogi...20-22 saal ki building ko good maie utana bi ajeeb hi hai...

ek baar gaam maie ek shadi thi..to dulhan kuch health thi aur bechara MAMA mara huwa sa.. ab jaise hi good mie uthan ke chala...do kadam chalte hi dhadam se gira sath maie dulhan bi... :):D hans hans ke paith phat ga tha.. :D:D
shaadi ke riwajo maie sabse jyada gussa mujhe pandit par ata hai..khali pili maie 1 ghante tak dhuwa ke samne baitaye pakata rehta hai.. kabi idhar chwal dhalo kabi udhar dhoob se pani ke chante do... kabi idhar paanch rupiye rakho to kabi udhar.. :mad:

Baman !!! humare ilake mein jyadatar jat bhai Shastri se hi phere karvate hein. Aur in pheron mein jo bhi sanskrit ke shalok bole jate hein, mere khyal se kahin na kahin unke uccharan se bhi kuch shudhi hoti hogi. This is indeed a topic to research what affects are there by these shaloks. Unka hindi anuvad padhya hai and all of them teaches good. So there is no harm to go for 1 or 2 hours of these shaloks at this pious and important day of life. I feel that this dhuan in hawan is not there if the wood is not wet. Ghee, samagri, aam ki lakadi aur pata nahi kya kya sugandhit cheejen padti hein aur sare vatavaran mein mehak hi mehak ho jati hai. Jo 7 vachan bharvae jate hein, those are also very relevant.

Shadi mein Bhabhi kajal dale, batna masle ------ Might be these were involved to increase affection between these relations. I have seen that if some bhabhi is annoyed then the bridegroom will go to convince her and ask her to do this Kajal and Batna thing. If these have not been there as today's then the individuality increases and who cares attitude rises. Ho sakta hai ki iska koe aur reason bhi ho ... lekin itna bhi koe kam nahi iski significance ke liye.

Baan baithna ---- Baan baithne ke baad ladke-ladki ke upar kae terah ki restrictions lag jati hein .... jaise pahele to bahar hi nahi jane dete they ... lekin aajkal jo log thoda nibhane ki kosis karte hein wo der saber aur akele nahi jane dete to avoid any kind of mishappening. Ab kahenge ki mishappening to kahin bhi aur kaise bhi ho sakti hai ... lekin by this mixed with traditions/culture people obey not to be more open to mis-happenings by restricting himself.

Mama ka godi bhar ke lyana --- iska reason to na bera. But still I will have some faith in it. As in this there is no income of any pandit. So ye sochna ki ye waise hi bana diya hoga to uchit nahi hai. Haan kis karan banaya hoga ye research ka vishya ho sakta hai. Er aajkal to Mama sirf bhanji-bhanje ke hath la ke le aave hai chalae. To mukesh bhai ya to jathar ki baat thi ... wo tere aale kisse ka MAMA bhi nira ee tha jo apne jathar ka dhyan rakhya na er chal padya than.

Culture/traditions sirf mane ke hon hein. Jo jua bagana chahve wo kyan he mein baga de. Kyan ne itne jhanjhatan mein pade .... aagi koe pasand .... batlave er le aave ghar ne ... :) ... na mama boojhana ... na bhabhi manani ... er na bhai chare ka katkad. Haan nue ho sake hai ek kae cheejen vairth ki jud gae hon ... jinko chodna/amendment hi uchit hai aaj ke time pe ... lekin logic aur research ke baad.

ranjitjat
January 24th, 2008, 06:32 PM
Marriage traditions of Jats

Jat marriage ceremonies are traditionally conducted in according with vedic rituals. These rituals have evolved since traditional times and differ in many ways. The Jats attach a lot of importance to weddings and the ceremonies are very colourful and extend for several days. The following steps are involved in a wedding:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_customs_of_Jats
* Sagai (Devanagari: सगाई) - Engagement. Sagai is an agreement or promise to marry, and also refers to the time between proposal and marriage. In traditional families boy or girl had no say in engagement. That was purely a duty left to parents. Important considerations in the selection is the health, the reputation of the family, and area of the land which the selected family owns for cultivation. This system is changing now-a-days.
* Aṃgūthī pahanānā (Devanagari: अंगूठी पहनाना) - Engagement ring. When engagement is fixed bridegroom comes with relatives to the house of bride and presents the engagement ring. It is a ring worn by a woman on her left-hand ring finger indicating her engagement to be married. It represents a formal agreement to future marriage.

* Bhāt nūtanā (Devanagari: भात नूतना) - Inviting maternal uncles for bhāt by the mother of bride or groom about a month prior to marriage.

* Mugdaṇā (Devanagari: मुगदणा) - green and dried twigs of khejri tree brought from farm on a cart on the day of Bān which are worshipped by mother or sister of a boy or girl prior to marriage.

* Bān baiṭhānā (Devanagari: बान बैठाना) - Ganesha pujan ceremony at the beginning of a marriage.

* Pīthī lagānā (Devanagari: पीठी लगाना) - Paste made of grounded barley, turmeric and ghee used as a fairness cream.

* Banorī (Devanagari: बनोरी) - After the Bān baiṭhānā cetremony the bride or groom do not take food at their home. First meals are at priest's house known as baman banori. Subsequent meals at close relative's house till marriage.
* Ratijkā (Devanagari: रातिजका) - Keeping awake all night. On the first night prior to marriage all family members sing songs, dance and worship deities without sleeping.
* Mehandī lagānā (Devanagari: मेहन्दी लगाना) - Another name for wedding in India is “hāth pīle karanā” or simply translated, making hands yellow. Mehandi (henna) is applied to the bride’s hands and feet. In the right hand, a round spot is left open for Hathlewā.

* Khīchaḍī (Devanagari: खीचड़ी) - The function at the time of a boy's marriage in which all relatives and villagers are invited on lunch one day before the phera ceremony, a recipe made of daal and rice, kheechad gotra.

* Meḷ (Devanagari: मेळ) - gettogether ceremony on previous day of marriage by the side of bridegroom
* Māndā (Devanagari: मांडा) - a pole made of khejadi tree put on the day of marriage of a girl
* Mandap (Devanagari: मंडप) - The wedding is normally conducted under a mandap, a canopy traditionally with four pillars, and an important component of the ceremony is the sacred fire (Agni) that is witness to the ceremony.

* Bhāt (Devanagari: भात) - also called Mayero, maternal uncles bring gifts for the mother.

* Chāk Pūjā (Devanagari: चाक पूजा) - Worship of Potter's wheel. Jats marriages start with the function of Chak Pooja, which means the worship of the potter's wheel. It is done in Jats of all the states. The analysis our marriage customs tells step by step how they evolved and developed these traditions. Now in the history of Gutians in Sumerian civilization we find that the potter's wheel was invented by them and they made it a custom to remember it for generations to come. This still persists in Jats and it indicates the linkages between Jats and the Gutians of Sumer. [4]
* Sarpech (Devanagari: सरपेंच) - musculine ornament worn in front on the turban. It was often extended into a golden band set with emeralds, rubies, diamonds.

* Barāt nikasī (Devanagari: बरात निकासी) - Departure of wedding procession. The groom leaves for the wedding venue riding a decorated horse. This is a very colorful and grand ceremony. The groom is dressed in a sherwani (long jacket) and 'churidars' (fitted trousers). On his head he wears a 'safa' (turban) with a 'kalgi' (brooch) pinned onto it. Before he departs all his relatives apply the ceremonial 'tilak' on his forehead. The barāt is headed by the dancing of the congregated folks. Accompanied by the rhythm of the north Indian dholak the barāt finally reaches the place of the wedding.

* Ghuḍ chaḍhī (Devanagari: घुड चढी) - Horseriding. This is a vedic tradition of Jats in which the groom rides a horse and goes to bride's house. It seems to be adopted from vedic times. Jāt word in Latvian language means cavalier. [5]

* Chāwal chaḍhanā (Devanagari: चावल चढाना) - Rice offering. It is an Aryan tradition. Rice is also called as "akshat (अक्षत)" in Sanskrit, which means an unbroken grains of rice known as pinda. Rice is a very important grain in almost all the rituals in India and also in Foreign Countries. This can be attributed to the fact that rice is the first known food grain to be cultivated and even in india wheat was introduced from the middle east quite later on and as a result rice is the grain used by all the Hindus in their rituals. Rice is a symbol of prosperity.[6]

* Sehḷā (Devanagari: सेळा) - barati's reception ceremony.

* Toraṇ māranā (Devanagari: तोरण मारना) - a symbol of victory put on the door of dulhan on arrival of baraat,Been comes and touches it with his sward or a neem or Zhaadi [berry] stick.

* Var mālā (Devanagari: वरमाला) - The groom is led to a small stage where he is “attacked” by the bride with flowers. Following this, the groom and bride exchange garlands, known asVar mālā, signifying their acceptance of each other as husband and wife. Then, the groom’s mother-in-law measures the groom’s chest, and pokes and prods him to make sure he is tough enough to defend her daughter. She than puts kajal on the groom to ward off evil spirits. This is followed by aarti.
* Hathlewā (Devanagari: हथलेवा) - After being led to the wedding mandup, the bride and groom have their hands tied together. The Pandit does a puja to Lord Ganesha and than puts a coin & mehendi on the groom’s right hand where the round empty spot is (where no mehendi was put) and ties his hand with the brides. This puja is done schedule in advance based on an auspicious time & date.

* Gaṃjoḍa (Devanagari: गंजोडा) - The priest ties the end of the groom's dhoti or the kurta; whichever he is wearing, with that of the bride's saree, the knot signifying the sacred wedlock.

* Pherā (Devanagari: फेरा) - Ceremony performed during marriage when the couple take Vachan in front of Agni devata

* Sātphere (Devanagari: सातफेरे) - Seven rounds around fire. The groom and the bride then circle the holy fire seven times, making seven promises to be fulfilled in the married life, after which they are considered to be 'married' to each other. This ritual is called "phere".

* Kanyā Dān (Devanagari: कन्या दान) - the bestowing of a girl in marriage. Kanyā Dān is performed by the father of the bride in presence of a large gathering that is invited to witness the wedding. The father pours out a libation of sacred water symbolizing the giving away of the daughter to the bride groom. The groom recites Vedic hymns to Kama, the God of love, for pure love and blessings. As a condition for offering his daughter for marriage, the father of the bride requests a promise from the groom for assisting the bride in realizing the three ends : dharma, artha, and kama. The groom makes the promise by repeating three times that he will not fail the bride in realizing dharma, artha and kama.

* Thāpā lagānā (Devanagari: थापा लगाना) - Imprint of hand of bride or bridegroom in mehandi or haldi are marked on wall.

* Kanwar Kalevā (Devanagari: कंवर कलेवा) - ceremony of offering breakfast to bridegroom by bride's side during marriage in which bridegroom along with close friends and associates relish the royal breakfast

* Rangbarī (Devanagari: रंगबरी) - the ceremony of showing ornaments and clothes of a bride

* Samtuṇī (Devanagari: समटुणी) - function to honour the baraatis and guests in marriage

* Dāt (Devanagari: दात) - utensils, clothes, ornaments etc offered to bridegroom and his relatives by bride side in marriage.

* Jhūnwārī (Devanagari: झूंआरी) - paying respect to a relative by putting tilak on forehead and offering gift
* Vidāī (Devanagari: विदाई) - A send off. This is considered to be the most emotional ritual, when the bride leaves her parents' home and makes her way to her husband's. Family and friends, who also shower her with blessings and gifts, give her a tearful farewell. The male members of the bride's family bid farewell to the groom by applying the traditional 'tilak' (vermilion) on his forehead and shower him with gifts. The couple leaves in a decorated car.

ranjitjat
January 24th, 2008, 06:35 PM
- Jatsamaj Ki Customs-culture To Best Han
Per Aaj Ky Samaj Mae.
Tael- Baan- Sagai-banwara-ghudchaddi
Ka Time Kisi Ky Pas Nahi Hae.
Chat Mangni-pat Vivah Aur Jhat Divorce.
Aur Bahut Sy To Vivah Sy Pahle Net Per Hi
Muklawa Karne Ko 24 Hrs Tayar Rahte Han.

Ise Muklawa Ki Baat Per

Kalu Ki Ak Misal Yad Aagye-
Kalu Ki Shadi Nahi Ho Rahi Thi-
Kalu-babu Sy Bola-babu Shadi
Karde Jalse Si
- Babu Bola Shadi My Rupee Lagagy Ak Lakh
Rupee La- Abhi Khal Shadi Karta Hun.
Kalu Soch Kar Bola- Babu Muklawa
Kitne Ky Rs Mae Ho Jaga.
Babu Bola Muklawa To 1100 Rs Ho Jaga.
Kalu Sidha Hi Bola-
Mae To Phir Sidha Hi Muklawa Karwaoga
Babu Lae 1100 Rs Karde Mera Muklawa
Nahi To Yah Rahi Goli- Jahar Khalunga
Abhi Bahut Sy Nu Bujhegy
Yoo- Muklawa Ky Ho Sae

mukeshkumar007
January 24th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Uncleji, Thank you very much for sharing this nice information with us.. Really good one.


Marriage traditions of Jats


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_customs_of_Jats
* Sagai (Devanagari: सगाई) - ...

lakin ajkal to jato maie ladkiyo ki kami hori hai to bhot sare to sagai wagai ke jhanjat maie hi nai padte.:).jaise hi kehi koi baat bani phatak de si shadi ki hi tarik declare kar dete hai.. sabko dar rehta ki bera na kab kiska man badal jaya..kaun kiski chugali kar de..hahahaha




* Bhāt nūtanā (Devanagari: भात नूतना) - Inviting maternal uncles for bhāt by the mother of bride or groom about a month prior to marriage...

I think it happens just before 10-15 days prior to marriage.



* Mugdaṇā (Devanagari: मुगदणा) - green and dried twigs of khejri tree brought from farm on a cart on the day of Bān which are worshipped by mother or sister of a boy or girl prior to marriage.
...

Never heard of this



* Pīthī lagānā (Devanagari: पीठी लगाना) - Paste made of grounded barley, turmeric and ghee used as a fairness cream.

fairness cream.. :) haa yeh bi tagadi hi cream hai... piti se ragad ragad ke ache kashi bundi si sakal wale ko bi ek bar to dekhne layak bana dete hai..baan baithne ke baad roj hi shadi tak pithi lagai jati hai...




* Banorī (Devanagari: बनोरी) - After the Bān baiṭhānā cetremony the bride or groom do not take food at their home. First meals are at priest's house known as baman banori. Subsequent meals at close relative's house till marriage....

baman ke ghar par hota hai.. kabi nai suna yeh to.. :confused: aur kya pata dhyan nai ho....

basically yeh sehi laga mere ko to ek to ghar par choon bache aur dusra khane ko roj dhan dhan ki cheez milti hai..aur jeha bi khane jae weha ladd karke khilate hai..:)


* Ratijkā (Devanagari: रातिजका) - Keeping awake all night. On the first night prior to marriage all family members sing songs, dance and worship deities without sleeping.....

basically it is for ladies only.!!



* Khīchaḍī (Devanagari: खीचड़ी) - The function at the time of a boy's marriage in which all relatives and villagers are invited on lunch one day before the phera ceremony, a recipe made of daal and rice, kheechad gotra.

* Meḷ (Devanagari: मेळ) - gettogether ceremony on previous day of marriage by the side of bridegroom .....

shyed kichadi aur yeh mel ek hi hote hai




* Bhāt (Devanagari: भात) - also called Mayero, maternal uncles bring gifts for the mother......

This is one of the good concept...




* Sarpech (Devanagari: सरपेंच) - musculine ornament worn in front on the turban. It was often extended into a golden band set with emeralds, rubies, diamonds.......

?????????????



* Barāt nikasī (Devanagari: बरात निकासी) - Departure of wedding procession. The groom leaves for the wedding venue riding a decorated horse. This is a very colorful and grand ceremony. The groom is dressed in a sherwani (long jacket) and 'churidars' (fitted trousers)........

barat nikasi se pehle bride ko sare ke sare devtawo ke dhok khuwa ke late hai.. shyed kuch anhoni na ho jaye iske liye!!!




* Ghuḍ chaḍhī (Devanagari: घुड चढी) - Horseriding. This is a vedic tradition of Jats in which the groom rides a horse and goes to bride's house. It seems to be adopted from vedic times. Jāt word in Latvian language means cavalier. [5]

Ghudchadi bi alag se function hai kye ???




* Chāwal chaḍhanā (Devanagari: चावल चढाना) - This can be attributed to the fact that rice is the first known food grain to be cultivated and even in india wheat was introduced from the middle east quite later on and as a result rice is the grain used by all the Hindus in their rituals. Rice is a symbol of prosperity.[6]


Bhaat lekar ane walo ko to shyed aaj bi sabse pehle chawal khilaye jate hai.!!




* Toraṇ māranā (Devanagari: तोरण मारना) - a symbol of victory put on the door of dulhan on arrival of baraat,Been comes and touches it with his sward or a neem or Zhaadi stick.




Pehle to Toran ke time hi varmala pehna di jati thi .. alag se ek stage par function to gaavo maie aajkal hone lage hai.. wesye sehi bi hai yeh..kyoki toran ke time gate par jeha toran function hota tha.. uspar itni bheed ho jati thi ki kuch dekhne hi nai dete the :rolleyes::)



* Var mālā (Devanagari: वरमाला) - [B]Then, the groom’s mother-in-law measures the groom’s chest, and pokes and prods him to make sure he is tough enough to defend her daughter. She than puts kajal on the groom to ward off evil spirits. This is followed by aarti.


ha ha ha ha... aaj samaj maie ayi mere ya kehani..har bar kisi shadi maie dekhta to soch ke hi reh jata ki yo kye sang hai..:D:


* Thāpā lagānā (Devanagari: थापा लगाना) - Imprint of hand of bride or bridegroom in mehandi or haldi are marked on wall.



Yeh kyo karte hai.???



* Samtuṇī (Devanagari: समटुणी) - function to honour the baraatis and guests in marriage .

I think har koi isi function ka wait karte rehte hai.. dullha bi aur dullhe ka baap bi.aur sath maie bharati bi curious rehte hai..kyoki isi function maie declare kiya jata hai ki ladki wale dahej maie kitne paise de rehe hai.. aur dahej maie diye jane wale samaj ki pardarshni bi isi function maie lagai jati hai..acha lutne aur lutane ka function hai yeh..

lakin is function maie relatives aur guests ko honour karte time jo juwari deti hai us time aurte geet bi gati rehti hai side maie khadi khadi..aur geet bi ajeeb se hi hote hai.. jo bi bechara juwari lene ata hai...uske ajeeb-ajeeb se naam nikal dete hai.. jaise ki Kalyo..langdiyo..motyo..moti naak ko...lambe sar...ganjyo.. and so on.. sun sun ke hansi aa jya hai..



* Vidāī (Devanagari: विदाई) - Family and friends, who also shower her with blessings and gifts, give her a tearful farewell. .

Is function ke time dulhan khoob roti thi..lakin pata nai kya reason hai ajkal dulhan roti hi nai hai.. aram se mummy papa aur relatives ke gale lag ke hasti huwi aur sharmati huwi aram se gaadi maie baith jati hai..:confused::confused: no rona dhona...:)

shashiverma
January 24th, 2008, 07:33 PM
Marriage traditions of Jats

Jat marriage ceremonies are traditionally conducted in according with vedic rituals. These rituals have evolved since traditional times and differ in many ways. The Jats attach a lot of importance to weddings and the ceremonies are very colourful and extend for several days. The following steps are involved in a wedding:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_customs_of_Jats
* Sagai (Devanagari: सगाई) - Engagement. Sagai is an agreement or promise to marry, and also refers to the time between proposal and marriage. In traditional families boy or girl had no say in engagement. That was purely a duty left to parents. Important considerations in the selection is the health, the reputation of the family, and area of the land which the selected family owns for cultivation. This system is changing now-a-days.
* Aṃgūthī pahanānā (Devanagari: अंगूठी पहनाना) - Engagement ring. When engagement is fixed bridegroom comes with relatives to the house of bride and presents the engagement ring. It is a ring worn by a woman on her left-hand ring finger indicating her engagement to be married. It represents a formal agreement to future marriage.

* Bhāt nūtanā (Devanagari: भात नूतना) - Inviting maternal uncles for bhāt by the mother of bride or groom about a month prior to marriage.

* Mugdaṇā (Devanagari: मुगदणा) - green and dried twigs of khejri tree brought from farm on a cart on the day of Bān which are worshipped by mother or sister of a boy or girl prior to marriage.

* Bān baiṭhānā (Devanagari: बान बैठाना) - Ganesha pujan ceremony at the beginning of a marriage.

* Pīthī lagānā (Devanagari: पीठी लगाना) - Paste made of grounded barley, turmeric and ghee used as a fairness cream.

* Banorī (Devanagari: बनोरी) - After the Bān baiṭhānā cetremony the bride or groom do not take food at their home. First meals are at priest's house known as baman banori. Subsequent meals at close relative's house till marriage.
* Ratijkā (Devanagari: रातिजका) - Keeping awake all night. On the first night prior to marriage all family members sing songs, dance and worship deities without sleeping.
* Mehandī lagānā (Devanagari: मेहन्दी लगाना) - Another name for wedding in India is “hāth pīle karanā” or simply translated, making hands yellow. Mehandi (henna) is applied to the bride’s hands and feet. In the right hand, a round spot is left open for Hathlewā.

* Khīchaḍī (Devanagari: खीचड़ी) - The function at the time of a boy's marriage in which all relatives and villagers are invited on lunch one day before the phera ceremony, a recipe made of daal and rice, kheechad gotra.

* Meḷ (Devanagari: मेळ) - gettogether ceremony on previous day of marriage by the side of bridegroom
* Māndā (Devanagari: मांडा) - a pole made of khejadi tree put on the day of marriage of a girl
* Mandap (Devanagari: मंडप) - The wedding is normally conducted under a mandap, a canopy traditionally with four pillars, and an important component of the ceremony is the sacred fire (Agni) that is witness to the ceremony.

* Bhāt (Devanagari: भात) - also called Mayero, maternal uncles bring gifts for the mother.

* Chāk Pūjā (Devanagari: चाक पूजा) - Worship of Potter's wheel. Jats marriages start with the function of Chak Pooja, which means the worship of the potter's wheel. It is done in Jats of all the states. The analysis our marriage customs tells step by step how they evolved and developed these traditions. Now in the history of Gutians in Sumerian civilization we find that the potter's wheel was invented by them and they made it a custom to remember it for generations to come. This still persists in Jats and it indicates the linkages between Jats and the Gutians of Sumer. [4]
* Sarpech (Devanagari: सरपेंच) - musculine ornament worn in front on the turban. It was often extended into a golden band set with emeralds, rubies, diamonds.

* Barāt nikasī (Devanagari: बरात निकासी) - Departure of wedding procession. The groom leaves for the wedding venue riding a decorated horse. This is a very colorful and grand ceremony. The groom is dressed in a sherwani (long jacket) and 'churidars' (fitted trousers). On his head he wears a 'safa' (turban) with a 'kalgi' (brooch) pinned onto it. Before he departs all his relatives apply the ceremonial 'tilak' on his forehead. The barāt is headed by the dancing of the congregated folks. Accompanied by the rhythm of the north Indian dholak the barāt finally reaches the place of the wedding.

* Ghuḍ chaḍhī (Devanagari: घुड चढी) - Horseriding. This is a vedic tradition of Jats in which the groom rides a horse and goes to bride's house. It seems to be adopted from vedic times. Jāt word in Latvian language means cavalier. [5]

* Chāwal chaḍhanā (Devanagari: चावल चढाना) - Rice offering. It is an Aryan tradition. Rice is also called as "akshat (अक्षत)" in Sanskrit, which means an unbroken grains of rice known as pinda. Rice is a very important grain in almost all the rituals in India and also in Foreign Countries. This can be attributed to the fact that rice is the first known food grain to be cultivated and even in india wheat was introduced from the middle east quite later on and as a result rice is the grain used by all the Hindus in their rituals. Rice is a symbol of prosperity.[6]

* Sehḷā (Devanagari: सेळा) - barati's reception ceremony.

* Toraṇ māranā (Devanagari: तोरण मारना) - a symbol of victory put on the door of dulhan on arrival of baraat,Been comes and touches it with his sward or a neem or Zhaadi [berry] stick.

* Var mālā (Devanagari: वरमाला) - The groom is led to a small stage where he is “attacked” by the bride with flowers. Following this, the groom and bride exchange garlands, known asVar mālā, signifying their acceptance of each other as husband and wife. Then, the groom’s mother-in-law measures the groom’s chest, and pokes and prods him to make sure he is tough enough to defend her daughter. She than puts kajal on the groom to ward off evil spirits. This is followed by aarti.
* Hathlewā (Devanagari: हथलेवा) - After being led to the wedding mandup, the bride and groom have their hands tied together. The Pandit does a puja to Lord Ganesha and than puts a coin & mehendi on the groom’s right hand where the round empty spot is (where no mehendi was put) and ties his hand with the brides. This puja is done schedule in advance based on an auspicious time & date.

* Gaṃjoḍa (Devanagari: गंजोडा) - The priest ties the end of the groom's dhoti or the kurta; whichever he is wearing, with that of the bride's saree, the knot signifying the sacred wedlock.

* Pherā (Devanagari: फेरा) - Ceremony performed during marriage when the couple take Vachan in front of Agni devata

* Sātphere (Devanagari: सातफेरे) - Seven rounds around fire. The groom and the bride then circle the holy fire seven times, making seven promises to be fulfilled in the married life, after which they are considered to be 'married' to each other. This ritual is called "phere".

* Kanyā Dān (Devanagari: कन्या दान) - the bestowing of a girl in marriage. Kanyā Dān is performed by the father of the bride in presence of a large gathering that is invited to witness the wedding. The father pours out a libation of sacred water symbolizing the giving away of the daughter to the bride groom. The groom recites Vedic hymns to Kama, the God of love, for pure love and blessings. As a condition for offering his daughter for marriage, the father of the bride requests a promise from the groom for assisting the bride in realizing the three ends : dharma, artha, and kama. The groom makes the promise by repeating three times that he will not fail the bride in realizing dharma, artha and kama.

* Thāpā lagānā (Devanagari: थापा लगाना) - Imprint of hand of bride or bridegroom in mehandi or haldi are marked on wall.

* Kanwar Kalevā (Devanagari: कंवर कलेवा) - ceremony of offering breakfast to bridegroom by bride's side during marriage in which bridegroom along with close friends and associates relish the royal breakfast

* Rangbarī (Devanagari: रंगबरी) - the ceremony of showing ornaments and clothes of a bride

* Samtuṇī (Devanagari: समटुणी) - function to honour the baraatis and guests in marriage

* Dāt (Devanagari: दात) - utensils, clothes, ornaments etc offered to bridegroom and his relatives by bride side in marriage.

* Jhūnwārī (Devanagari: झूंआरी) - paying respect to a relative by putting tilak on forehead and offering gift
* Vidāī (Devanagari: विदाई) - A send off. This is considered to be the most emotional ritual, when the bride leaves her parents' home and makes her way to her husband's. Family and friends, who also shower her with blessings and gifts, give her a tearful farewell. The male members of the bride's family bid farewell to the groom by applying the traditional 'tilak' (vermilion) on his forehead and shower him with gifts. The couple leaves in a decorated car.


Interesting..... I guess it would be of more interest and meaningful if one could add what each of the above symbolize. What are the underlying reasons/faith?

shweta123
January 24th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Often we take these rituals as a one day show and never go deep into their roots, but great to know so much ! Thanks for sharing, please keep sharing anything you may feel like :)

shweta123
January 24th, 2008, 07:42 PM
When there is "Vidai" the bride throws away some rice while walking towards the car, whats that.......... :)

ranjitjat
January 24th, 2008, 11:45 PM
* Chāwal chaḍhanā (Devanagari: चावल चढाना) - Rice offering. It is an Aryan tradition. Rice is also called as "akshat (अक्षत)" in Sanskrit, which means an unbroken grains of rice known as pinda. Rice is a very important grain in almost all the rituals in India and also in Foreign Countries. This can be attributed to the fact that rice is the first known food grain to be cultivated and even in india wheat was introduced from the middle east quite later on and as a result rice is the grain used by all the Hindus in their rituals. Rice is a symbol of prosperity.[6]

* Sehḷā (Devanagari: सेळा) - barati's reception ceremony.

Vidāī (Devanagari: विदाई) - A send off. This is considered to be the most emotional ritual, when the bride leaves her parents' home and makes her way to her husband's. Family and friends, who also shower her with blessings and gifts, give her a tearful farewell. The male members of the bride's family bid farewell to the groom by applying the traditional 'tilak' (vermilion) on his forehead and shower him with gifts. The couple leaves in a decorated car.

Chawal marna- chadhana- phool bkherna
this is part of blessings- rice is symbol of prosperity.
Bride jab chawal bakher kar chalti hae.
iska matlab yahi hota hae-
mera pihar khusi sy basta rahe
Aan- Dhan ke bhandar bhare rahe
raat deen khusiya barsati rahe.
Haryana ki ak jat ladki ki kahani hae
ak bahut purni lambi history hae
Meechand nam ky Jat ny pase lekar
apni sister ki shadi kisi angrej sy karde
ladki jate samye ro-ro kar yah kaha
Gaon gagana sukh sy basiyo
nash jayaeo Meechand ka
so asli bat yahi hae ki sabhi
apni ladki ko kushi sy bidai karte han

Lokgeet ka bhi vivah shadi mae
khas mahtav hota hae aur boli
tane- sithane ka bhi mahtav hae

hanse-kushi sy geet gati han
mata geet ky dawara kaya kahti hae

Meri Atma nuu kah rahi hey
sada pholo phalo suhag tera
palan- posan mae kasar nahi
rakhi aag hey beti bhag tera

Oodh pahar singer lae Beti
sakhi kar hey singar tera
London sahar mae jana hoga
Beti aaraha hey bhartar tera

lrburdak
January 25th, 2008, 10:05 AM
Shweta,

We have compiled these traditions on Jatland Wiki so that our new generation does not forget it. You can see here -

http://www.jatland.com/home/Life%2C_culture_and_traditions_of_Jats


Please see also the blue active links in this article which are further details on each custom of Jats. You may contribute content and some photos also.

Regards,



Often we take these rituals as a one day show and never go deep into their roots, but great to know so much ! Thanks for sharing, please keep sharing anything you may feel like :)


When there is "Vidai" the bride throws away some rice while walking towards the car, whats that.......... :)

lrburdak
January 25th, 2008, 10:10 AM
See also on Jatland Wiki

http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_social_customs

We have cotributed these things on Wikipedia also so that people of other countries can know our traditions.

ranjitjat
January 25th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Dear Mukesh
do not worry- we arrange every thing in week- when you ready.
bahi jab tera vichar van ja batadeye- 5-7 deen mae
teri vivah- sagahi- ghaimutiya kardengy.
Rajasthan ky lokgeet collect karle- bahut rich culture hae.
yah abhi khatam hote ja rahe han.
mane kitno ko bola hae.
Kuch geet to rear han- sari duniya mae.
Haryana-UP-Delhi-MP-RAjasthan-London USA mae same gaye jate han
Yah hamari research hae.
AK jamai Ji- Padharo mhara desh
GARH chhod Rukman baha aaye
Sathan chale hey- merae dab-dab bhar aaye nan
Khatu ny kahiyo Shyam vada datar
5 patase phoolo ka bidla lae samji per jayau ji
jis dali hmari Ladoo bathi vah dali
jhook bhi jayiau ji- nn bhi jayaeo
sari bagichi phal paeo jee

naye bahu chhorae ki khatar
halwa kheer barati ny
daan len ki bhukhi samdhan
boor- badai bhati ny

ase kitne hi rich culture ky
geet han jo lupat ho rahe han

shweta123
February 4th, 2008, 01:53 PM
Shweta,

We have compiled these traditions on Jatland Wiki so that our new generation does not forget it. You can see here -

http://www.jatland.com/home/Life%2C_culture_and_traditions_of_Jats


Please see also the blue active links in this article which are further details on each custom of Jats. You may contribute content and some photos also.

Regards,

Dhanyawaad Sir :)

shweta123
February 4th, 2008, 01:55 PM
Dear Mukesh
do not worry- we arrange every thing in week- when you ready.
bahi jab tera vichar van ja batadeye- 5-7 deen mae
teri vivah- sagahi- ghaimutiya kardengy.
Rajasthan ky lokgeet collect karle- bahut rich culture hae.
yah abhi khatam hote ja rahe han.
mane kitno ko bola hae.
Kuch geet to rear han- sari duniya mae.
Haryana-UP-Delhi-MP-RAjasthan-London USA mae same gaye jate han
Yah hamari research hae.
AK jamai Ji- Padharo mhara desh
GARH chhod Rukman baha aaye
Sathan chale hey- merae dab-dab bhar aaye nan
Khatu ny kahiyo Shyam vada datar
5 patase phoolo ka bidla lae samji per jayau ji
jis dali hmari Ladoo bathi vah dali
jhook bhi jayiau ji- nn bhi jayaeo
sari bagichi phal paeo jee

naye bahu chhorae ki khatar
halwa kheer barati ny
daan len ki bhukhi samdhan
boor- badai bhati ny

ase kitne hi rich culture ky
geet han jo lupat ho rahe han

Kya geeto ke bol bhi milenge Wiki me kahin? Kyonki jab mai kisi ko gaate sunti hu to bahut thoda hi samajh aa paata hai :o

dndeswal
February 4th, 2008, 07:35 PM
Kya geeto ke bol bhi milenge Wiki me kahin? Kyonki jab mai kisi ko gaate sunti hu to bahut thoda hi samajh aa paata hai :o

Some are here:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Haryanavi_Folk_Lore


.

spdeshwal
February 11th, 2008, 02:50 AM
डूडी जी

एक खास वीदाई गीत , शायद हरयाणा के हर हीस्से में लड़की की वीदाई के समय गाया जाता है :

रे बेटा एक बे घेरां में जाइए
रे बाबुल की धीर बंधाइए
उसने रो रो सूजा लई आँख .....


और इस गीत की तरज को एक आर्य समाजी भजनी ने कारगील युद्ध के बाद इस तरह गाया था :

रे बेटा एक बे घेरां में जाइये
रे बाबुल की धीर बंधाइए
उसका बेटा हुआ है शहीद .....बहुत ही मारिम्क और भावपूर्ण बन गया था ये गीत, हर सुनने वाले की आँखे नम हो जाती थी


नोट : इस पोस्ट में मातरा की अशुधी को कृपया नजरंधाज कर देना , शायद इस शाफ्त्वेयेर की ये कमजोरी है की छोटी बड़ी मातरा का नीर्णय और आधा ऊपर वाला र भी नही लिख पाता

spdeshwal
February 11th, 2008, 03:45 AM
डूडी जी

आपने पीठी ( उबटन , बटना, मटना) का जीकर तो कर दीया, पर हम उस मौके पर गाए जाने वाले इस गीत को कैसे भूल सकते हैं : रे म्हारे धर्मपाल का बेटा नहइयो , रे म्हारे दयानंद का बेटा नहइयो, रे म्हारे मुकेश का भाई नहइयो ...
लेकिन एक सवाल है , इस गीत में घर की महिलओं का नाम नही लेते ?
यानि ऐसा नही कहते की मारी स्वेता का भाई नहइयो