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dndeswal
February 13th, 2008, 09:50 PM
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'ट्यूशन' का गोरखधंधा

आजकल एक चर्चा सुनी जा रही है - नर्सरी स्कूलों में दाखिले की । बड़े शहरों में तो यह हाल है कि जो बच्चा अभी मां के पेट में ही है, उसके दाखिले के फार्म भी भरे जा रहे हैं ताकि कुछ साल बाद की सीट 'रिजर्व' हो जाये ।

अजीब देश है हमारा भी - एक जमाने में शिक्षा के क्षेत्र में जगतगुरु था, और सबसे पुरानी यूनिवर्सिटी नालन्दा और तक्षशिला हमारे ही यहां थीं जहां सारे संसार से बच्चे उच्च-शिक्षा ग्रहण करने आते थे । अंग्रेजों ने आकर सब कचरा कर डाला । हमारी शिक्षा-प्रणाली को इतना नुकसान मुसलमानों ने नहीं पहुंचाया जितना अंग्रेजों ने । और आज हम उन्हीं गोरे बादशाहों के गीत गा रहे हैं, उन्हीं की जुबान जबर्दस्ती अपने बच्चों को पढ़ा कर खुश भी हो रहे हैं । गली-मुहल्ले में 'कान्वेन्ट स्कूल' खुल गए हैं जहां तीन-चार साल के बच्चों को रटाया जा रहा है - "Ba-ba black sheep", "Twinkle-twinkle little stars" वगैरा-वगैरा । वैसे "प्रार्थना" भी कराई जाती है हिन्दी-अंग्रेजी की खिचड़ी में - जिसका मतलब बच्चों को हमारे धर्म से दूर करना भी एक मकसद लगता है : "Mary मेरी यशोमती मैया, Jesus मेरा कृष्ण-कन्हैया" !

इन स्कूलों में सस्ते 'मास्टर' और मास्टरणियां रखे हुए होते हैं । एक मास्टरणी बच्चों को हिन्दी पढ़ा रही थी, कुछ इस तरह "बोलो बच्चो, छोटा अ - बड़ा अ, छोटी इ - बड़ी ई, छोटा उ - बड़ा ऊ ! हे भगवान, बचाओ ऐसी मास्टरणियों से !!

इन स्कूलों की शिक्षिकाओं ने 'पॉकेट मनी' का इंतजाम करना शुरू कर दिया है - मां-बाप को कह दिया जाता है कि आपका बच्चा 'कमजोर' है, 'ट्यूशन' तो लगवाना ही पड़ेगा । पहले सर्दी के मौसम में स्कूलों का टाइम बदल दिया जाता था, स्कूल नौ बजे के बाद शुरू होते थे ताकि सुबह-सुबह छोटे बच्चों को सर्दी में टिठुरते हुए स्कूल न जाना पड़े । पर आजकल तो सर्दी के मौसम में भी सुबह सात बजे ही बच्चे स्कूल के लिए निकल पड़ते हैं । ऐसा करने का एक खास मकसद भी है - मास्टर और मास्टरणियों को शाम का वक्त मिल जाता है जिसमें वे अपना 'ट्यूशन' करते हैं । अपने आप में बड़ा सवाल है कि आखिर बच्चों की खेलने की उम्र कौन सी है ? जब इतनी छोटी उम्र में ही दर्जनों किताबें लाद दी जायें और ऊपर से कई घण्टे 'ट्यूशन' भी बच्चों पर लादा जाये तो उनका विकास क्या खाक होगा ?

यह बीमारी कितना गंभीर रूप ले चुकी है, इसे देश में गहरी जड़ें जमा चुकी ट्यूशन-कोचिंग संस्कृति से समझा जा सकता है । अगर कक्षा एक से लेकर आठ तक के बच्चों को भी ट्यूशन का सहारा लेना पड़ रहा है तो इसका मतलब है कि हमारी शिक्षा व्यवस्था की बुनियाद सड़-गल गई है और शिक्षा के ऐसे ढांचे से किसी बेहतरी की उम्मीद करना खुद को धोखे में रखना है । छोटी कक्षाओं और यहां तक कि हाईस्कूल एवं इंटरमीडिएट के स्तर पर भी छात्रों के लिए ट्यूशन-कोचिंग का कोई प्रावधान नहीं होना चाहिए। ट्यूशन की जरूरत शिक्षा के मौलिक सिद्धांतों के सर्वथा विपरीत है । यह एक प्रकार से शिक्षा व्यवस्था का मजाक है । आखिर हमारे देश में पहले ट्यूशन विहीन शिक्षा ही प्रचलन में थी और विकसित देशों में आज भी ऐसा ही है । वहां तो ट्यूशन-कोचिंग के बारे में सोचना भी एक तरह का गुनाह है ।

मजे की बात तो यह है कि जहां एक तरफ स्कूली छात्रों को ट्यूशन का सहारा लेना पड़ रहा है वहीं यूनिवर्सिटी में छात्रों को अपनी क्लास में जाना जरूरी नहीं लगता । ज्यादातर विश्वविद्यालय बिना ज्ञान-हुनर दिए ऐसी डिग्रियां बांटने में लगे हैं जो कागज का टुकड़ा साबित हो रही हैं । यह स्थिति देश की भावी पीढ़ी के साथ खिलवाड़ है और ऐसा करके हम खुद ही अपना भविष्य अंधकारमय बना रहे हैं ।
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mukeshkumar007
February 14th, 2008, 11:28 AM
Yeh Desh Hi Barbaad hai !!!!

raj_rathee
February 14th, 2008, 12:17 PM
I think the parents need the tuition...on letting their kids have a life...
and grow up as kids...

raj_rathee
February 14th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Yeh Desh Hi Barbaad hai !!!!

Mere yaar Mukesh, tu har baat pe itni stress mat liya kar.
Desh andy sae. Nueh rollam-rollam sab chalta reh sae theek thaak.
Swaad liye ja bas...tension nahin lene ka...

itsnavin
February 14th, 2008, 03:51 PM
Yeh Desh Hi Barbaad hai !!!!

Bandhu aisa nahin hai. Teachers ke tutions ke liye student ko kyon jaaney diya jata ha...iska reason pata hai? Bhai..aaj kal dono maa-baap to naukri karte hai. Bachhon ko padhaney ka time nahin hai unke paas..shaam ko ghar aaney ke baad. Aur yadi wife job nahin karti...usko ghar par aur bahut kaam karne ho hain(the reality u don't know). 2-2 ghantey phone kar gappein ladati rehti hain..lekin yeh nahin ki apne bachhon ko homework karwa dein. Aur rahi baat Baap ke role ki...shaam ko ghar par aaney ke baad aur weekend par bachhon ki class to lee hee sakta hai. His role is not only to check his report card. Mere hisaab se problem teachers ki nahin hai...problem hamare ghar mein hai. Apne bachhon ko apne aap padhao...aur usko independent padhne ki aadat dalo...he'll have more confidence. Aur jab woh badi class mein phunch jaye...+1 types. Get him admitted to a coaching center...for specialized coaching for competitions. Mere hisaab se aisa hona chahiye.

shweta123
February 14th, 2008, 04:24 PM
Bandhu aisa nahin hai. Teachers ke tutions ke liye student ko kyon jaaney diya jata ha...iska reason pata hai? Bhai..aaj kal dono maa-baap to naukri karte hai. Bachhon ko padhaney ka time nahin hai unke paas..shaam ko ghar aaney ke baad. Aur yadi wife job nahin karti...usko ghar par aur bahut kaam karne ho hain(the reality u don't know). 2-2 ghantey phone kar gappein ladati rehti hain..lekin yeh nahin ki apne bachhon ko homework karwa dein. Aur rahi baat Baap ke role ki...shaam ko ghar par aaney ke baad aur weekend par bachhon ki class to lee hee sakta hai. His role is not only to check his report card. Mere hisaab se problem teachers ki nahin hai...problem hamare ghar mein hai. Apne bachhon ko apne aap padhao...aur usko independent padhne ki aadat dalo...he'll have more confidence. Aur jab woh badi class mein phunch jaye...+1 types. Get him admitted to a coaching center...for specialized coaching for competitions. Mere hisaab se aisa hona chahiye.

Truly said !

Problem does not lies just with the education system, parents have a very crucial role to play.

One most important thing what I am observing these days is that parents nowadays are developing a tendency to pamper their children more than required ! Ek saas aur ek bahu poore din ghar pe rehti hai to unse ek baccha nahi sambhalta aajkal :rolleyes: ...... ye bahut pareshan karta hai....... ye kuch khaati hi nahi..... ye mujhse padhta hi nahi.......... ye meri koi baat nahi maanti .... Such are the normal sentences which can be heard. If the parents allow their child to eat chocolates in place of fruits, allow chips in place of chapattis by just getting flown away seeing their children crying for the same, then even a small child is quick enough to get the key to persuade his parents to fulfill his wishes which may not be in long term interest of that child.

So is the case when it comes to teaching a child. There has to be a fair exercise of judgement on the part of the parents so as to make it a never-miss task to attend to the child while he studies.

The fundamental thing is that discipline and balanced behaviour is a very crucial virtue when it comes to raising a child in true spirit ! Parents must understand that in the changing scenario and with the time constraints, they must plan everything and take parenting a bit seriously, unnecessarily pampering a child or leaving him aside to be guided by the outside world, both situations are equally disastrous.

Learning and making someone learn something depends on the spirit that works behind that. Imagine with what spirit a tutor teaches? Money to be the first of course ! And learning requires a heart, a helping hand, an understanding wit, a patient listener and a loving soul around when it comes to primary learning ! So, depending on a tutor is just like letting a child be fed on machines !

As far as I think, starting 3-4 years of education of a child makes a solid background and then the child gets the basic skills like reasoning, comparing, applying his own mind, matching the theories with his practical observations and the like, and this is the time to put the clay in the hands of a loving potter, who else then parents?

dkumars
February 14th, 2008, 04:33 PM
Yeh Desh Hi Barbaad hai !!!!


Bahut galat soch hai bhai :)
Koshish karo vichoro ki shudhi ke liye.

dkumars
February 14th, 2008, 04:39 PM
(This post is in Devanagari script. If there is difficulty in reading the text, there is need to install ‘Mangal’ font (http://vedantijeevan.com:9700/font.htm).)


'ट्यूशन' का गोरखधंधा

आजकल एक चर्चा सुनी जा रही है - नर्सरी स्कूलों में दाखिले की । बड़े शहरों में तो यह हाल है कि जो बच्चा अभी मां के पेट में ही है, उसके दाखिले के फार्म भी भरे जा रहे हैं ताकि कुछ साल बाद की सीट 'रिजर्व' हो जाये ।

अजीब देश है हमारा भी - एक जमाने में शिक्षा के क्षेत्र में जगतगुरु था, और सबसे पुरानी यूनिवर्सिटी नालन्दा और तक्षशिला हमारे ही यहां थीं जहां सारे संसार से बच्चे उच्च-शिक्षा ग्रहण करने आते थे । अंग्रेजों ने आकर सब कचरा कर डाला । हमारी शिक्षा-प्रणाली को इतना नुकसान मुसलमानों ने नहीं पहुंचाया जितना अंग्रेजों ने । और आज हम उन्हीं गोरे बादशाहों के गीत गा रहे हैं, उन्हीं की जुबान जबर्दस्ती अपने बच्चों को पढ़ा कर खुश भी हो रहे हैं । गली-मुहल्ले में 'कान्वेन्ट स्कूल' खुल गए हैं जहां तीन-चार साल के बच्चों को रटाया जा रहा है - "Ba-ba black sheep", "Twinkle-twinkle little stars" वगैरा-वगैरा । वैसे "प्रार्थना" भी कराई जाती है हिन्दी-अंग्रेजी की खिचड़ी में - जिसका मतलब बच्चों को हमारे धर्म से दूर करना भी एक मकसद लगता है : "Mary मेरी यशोमती मैया, Jesus मेरा कृष्ण-कन्हैया" !

इन स्कूलों में सस्ते 'मास्टर' और मास्टरणियां रखे हुए होते हैं । एक मास्टरणी बच्चों को हिन्दी पढ़ा रही थी, कुछ इस तरह "बोलो बच्चो, छोटा अ - बड़ा अ, छोटी इ - बड़ी ई, छोटा उ - बड़ा ऊ ! हे भगवान, बचाओ ऐसी मास्टरणियों से !!

इन स्कूलों की शिक्षिकाओं ने 'पॉकेट मनी' का इंतजाम करना शुरू कर दिया है - मां-बाप को कह दिया जाता है कि आपका बच्चा 'कमजोर' है, 'ट्यूशन' तो लगवाना ही पड़ेगा । पहले सर्दी के मौसम में स्कूलों का टाइम बदल दिया जाता था, स्कूल नौ बजे के बाद शुरू होते थे ताकि सुबह-सुबह छोटे बच्चों को सर्दी में टिठुरते हुए स्कूल न जाना पड़े । पर आजकल तो सर्दी के मौसम में भी सुबह सात बजे ही बच्चे स्कूल के लिए निकल पड़ते हैं । ऐसा करने का एक खास मकसद भी है - मास्टर और मास्टरणियों को शाम का वक्त मिल जाता है जिसमें वे अपना 'ट्यूशन' करते हैं । अपने आप में बड़ा सवाल है कि आखिर बच्चों की खेलने की उम्र कौन सी है ? जब इतनी छोटी उम्र में ही दर्जनों किताबें लाद दी जायें और ऊपर से कई घण्टे 'ट्यूशन' भी बच्चों पर लादा जाये तो उनका विकास क्या खाक होगा ?

यह बीमारी कितना गंभीर रूप ले चुकी है, इसे देश में गहरी जड़ें जमा चुकी ट्यूशन-कोचिंग संस्कृति से समझा जा सकता है । अगर कक्षा एक से लेकर आठ तक के बच्चों को भी ट्यूशन का सहारा लेना पड़ रहा है तो इसका मतलब है कि हमारी शिक्षा व्यवस्था की बुनियाद सड़-गल गई है और शिक्षा के ऐसे ढांचे से किसी बेहतरी की उम्मीद करना खुद को धोखे में रखना है । छोटी कक्षाओं और यहां तक कि हाईस्कूल एवं इंटरमीडिएट के स्तर पर भी छात्रों के लिए ट्यूशन-कोचिंग का कोई प्रावधान नहीं होना चाहिए। ट्यूशन की जरूरत शिक्षा के मौलिक सिद्धांतों के सर्वथा विपरीत है । यह एक प्रकार से शिक्षा व्यवस्था का मजाक है । आखिर हमारे देश में पहले ट्यूशन विहीन शिक्षा ही प्रचलन में थी और विकसित देशों में आज भी ऐसा ही है । वहां तो ट्यूशन-कोचिंग के बारे में सोचना भी एक तरह का गुनाह है ।

मजे की बात तो यह है कि जहां एक तरफ स्कूली छात्रों को ट्यूशन का सहारा लेना पड़ रहा है वहीं यूनिवर्सिटी में छात्रों को अपनी क्लास में जाना जरूरी नहीं लगता । ज्यादातर विश्वविद्यालय बिना ज्ञान-हुनर दिए ऐसी डिग्रियां बांटने में लगे हैं जो कागज का टुकड़ा साबित हो रही हैं । यह स्थिति देश की भावी पीढ़ी के साथ खिलवाड़ है और ऐसा करके हम खुद ही अपना भविष्य अंधकारमय बना रहे हैं ।
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dkumars
February 14th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Truly said !

Problem does not lies just with the education system, parents have a very crucial role to play.

One most important thing what I am observing these days is that parents nowadays are developing a tendency to pamper their children more than required ! Ek saas aur ek bahu poore din ghar pe rehti hai to unse ek baccha nahi sambhalta aajkal :rolleyes: ...... ye bahut pareshan karta hai....... ye kuch khaati hi nahi..... ye mujhse padhta hi nahi.......... ye meri koi baat nahi maanti .... Such are the normal sentences which can be heard. If the parents allow their child to eat chocolates in place of fruits, allow chips in place of chapattis by just getting flown away seeing their children crying for the same, then even a small child is quick enough to get the key to persuade his parents to fulfill his wishes which may not be in long term interest of that child.



कान पकड़ के नै अपने सिर कि ऊँचाई ताहि ठा दे अर्र फेर ३-४ गधाक दे बालक कि औकात के हिसाब तै | फेर देखो वो तै बोल चपाला बैठा रेह्गा सारे दिन अर्र कति भाज भाज टेम पी सब्क्यम जीम जा गा

cooljat
February 14th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Ha! Ha! Ha! Sahi kaha tune bhai! :)
Ish Desh ko to Politics aur Population ne barbaad kar diya hai!!
Log
Yeh Desh Hi Barbaad hai !!!!

mukeshkumar007
February 14th, 2008, 04:49 PM
[COLOR=black]यह बीमारी कितना गंभीर रूप ले चुकी है, इसे देश में गहरी जड़ें जमा चुकी ट्यूशन-कोचिंग संस्कृति से समझा जा सकता है । अगर कक्षा एक से लेकर आठ तक के बच्चों को भी ट्यूशन का सहारा लेना पड़ रहा है तो इसका मतलब है कि हमारी शिक्षा व्यवस्था की बुनियाद सड़-गल गई है और शिक्षा के ऐसे ढांचे से किसी बेहतरी की उम्मीद करना खुद को धोखे में रखना है । छोटी कक्षाओं और यहां तक कि हाईस्कूल एवं इंटरमीडिएट के स्तर पर भी छात्रों के लिए ट्यूशन-कोचिंग का कोई प्रावधान नहीं होना चाहिए। ट्यूशन की जरूरत शिक्षा के मौलिक सिद्धांतों के सर्वथा विपरीत है । यह एक प्रकार से शिक्षा व्यवस्था का मजाक है । आखिर हमारे देश में पहले ट्यूशन विहीन शिक्षा ही प्रचलन में थी और विकसित देशों में आज भी ऐसा ही है । वहां तो ट्यूशन-कोचिंग के बारे में सोचना भी एक तरह का गुनाह है ।
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ऐसा बकवास शिक्षा सिस्टम बना रखा है की गरीब और लो मिडिल क्लास परिवार के बच्चो के लिए तो पढ़ लिख कर कुछ बनना दिन मे सपने देखना जैसा हो गया ! एक तो अच्छी स्कूल की फीस इतनी ज्यादा होती है की उसको चुकाना ही भरी पड़ता है, और अगर सरकारी स्कूल मे पड़े तो वहा पर शिक्षक महोदय राजनिती से ही फुर्सुत नही मिलती ! क्लास टाइम मे भी स्टाफ रूम मे बैठ बैठ गप्पे मरते रहते है ! सारे के सारे नेतावो की जी हजूरी करने मे व्यस्त रहते है ताकि उनका तबादला गाम के किसी नजदीक स्कूल मे हो जाए फिर आराम से गाम
मे राजनीती करे और घर का काम करे, बच्चो की पढाई गई भाड़ मे ! अब ऐसे मे उन बच्चो का तो करियर तो बरबाद ही है ! गाम वाले भी ऐसे मास्टरों का कुछ नही करते ! उल्टा उनको मास्टरजी मास्टरजी कर कर के सर पर चदाये रखते है !

सरकारी स्कूल्स मे टीचर साफ साफ बच्चो से कह देते है की 'ट्यूशन' करो नही तो प्रक्टिकल परीक्षा मे नम्बर कम भेज दिए जायेंगे अब कोई या तो 'ट्यूशन' करो या फिर कम नम्बर सवीकार करो ! अब कम नम्बर आना और भी ज्यादा घाटे का मामला हो जाता है क्योकि कोई कितना बुदिमान है इसकी परख यहा ग्रेड और पेर्सन्टेज से ही होती है !

अब आगे अगर कोई पर्तियोगी परीक्षा की तयारी करो तो वहा यह कोचिंग वाले लूटना शुरू कर देते है ! अब कई तो बिचारे यह तक दुखी होकर पढाई छोड़ कर रोजी रोटी का जुगाड़ देखने लग जाते है ! अगर यह सब ऐसे ही चलता रहा तो बेडा गर्क होने मे टाइम ने लगेगा !

shweta123
February 14th, 2008, 04:54 PM
कान पकड़ के नै अपने सिर कि ऊँचाई ताहि ठा दे अर्र फेर ३-४ गधाक दे बालक कि औकात के हिसाब तै | फेर देखो वो तै बोल चपाला बैठा रेह्गा सारे दिन अर्र कति भाज भाज टेम पी सब्क्यम जीम जा गा

Ye philosophy jab dobaara sunenge jab aapke baalkaan ki baat aavegi :p:o

dkumars
February 14th, 2008, 05:00 PM
Ye philosophy jab dobaara sunenge jab aapke baalkaan ki baat aavegi :p:o


अपने बालका की तोह गारंटी लेता नही पर आपके बालका नै कती अड्डे हाथा ले कै नै कती गज कर दूंगा ... हा हा हा हा

shweta123
February 14th, 2008, 05:00 PM
ऐसा बकवास शिक्षा सिस्टम बना रखा है की गरीब और लो मिडिल क्लास परिवार के बच्चो के लिए तो पढ़ लिख कर कुछ बनना दिन मे सपने देखना जैसा हो गया ! एक तो अच्छी स्कूल की फीस इतनी ज्यादा होती है की उसको चुकाना ही भरी पड़ता है, और अगर सरकारी स्कूल मे पड़े तो वहा पर शिक्षक महोदय राजनिती से ही फुर्सुत नही मिलती ! क्लास टाइम मे भी स्टाफ रूम मे बैठ बैठ गप्पे मरते रहते है ! सारे के सारे नेतावो की जी हजूरी करने मे व्यस्त रहते है ताकि उनका तबादला गाम के किसी नजदीक स्कूल मे हो जाए फिर आराम से गाम
मे राजनीती करे और घर का काम करे, बच्चो की पढाई गई भाड़ मे ! अब ऐसे मे उन बच्चो का तो करियर तो बरबाद ही है ! गाम वाले भी ऐसे मास्टरों का कुछ नही करते ! उल्टा उनको मास्टरजी मास्टरजी कर कर के सर पर चदाये रखते है !

सरकारी स्कूल्स मे टीचर साफ साफ बच्चो से कह देते है की 'ट्यूशन' करो नही तो प्रक्टिकल परीक्षा मे नम्बर कम भेज दिए जायेंगे अब कोई या तो 'ट्यूशन' करो या फिर कम नम्बर सवीकार करो ! अब कम नम्बर आना और भी ज्यादा घाटे का मामला हो जाता है क्योकि कोई कितना बुदिमान है इसकी परख यहा ग्रेड और पेर्सन्टेज से ही होती है !

अब आगे अगर कोई पर्तियोगी परीक्षा की तयारी करो तो वहा यह कोचिंग वाले लूटना शुरू कर देते है ! अब कई तो बिचारे यह तक दुखी होकर पढाई छोड़ कर रोजी रोटी का जुगाड़ देखने लग जाते है ! अगर यह सब ऐसे ही चलता रहा तो बेडा गर्क होने मे टाइम ने लगेगा !

Sahi kaha Mukesh ! The real irony !

Kya kiya jaaye bhai...... kya solution hai?

shweta123
February 14th, 2008, 05:04 PM
अपने बालका की तोह गारंटी लेता नही पर आपके बालका नै कती अड्डे हाथा ले कै नै कती गज कर दूंगा ... हा हा हा हा

Acha ji !!!!!

Chinta konyaa....... mere to ballakaa hi bhatere honge thaare aadde haathho ko tirchaa karan ne....... uski chinta konyi maanee ..... :D:p;)

dkumars
February 14th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Acha ji !!!!!

Chinta konyaa....... mere to ballakaa hi bhatere honge thaare aadde haathho ko tirchaa karan ne....... uski chinta konyi maanee ..... :D:p;)


बहुतेरे मतलब 'बहुत सारे' या फ़िर 'सक्षम' ???
ढिबसर लिखा करो जी, कंफुजन हो जा सै

mukeshkumar007
February 14th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Ish Desh ko to Politics aur Population ne barbaad kar diya hai!!
Log

Exactly...bhai is desh ki waat lagane maie yeh 3P ka bhot bada role hai.. Population, pollution and politics...

mukeshkumar007
February 14th, 2008, 05:17 PM
बहुतेरे मतलब 'बहुत सारे' या फ़िर 'सक्षम' ???
ढिबसर लिखा करो जी, कंफुजन हो जा सै

are bhai kyo ek ache kashe thread ka naash karan lagriya hoo

shweta123
February 14th, 2008, 05:18 PM
बहुतेरे मतलब 'बहुत सारे' या फ़िर 'सक्षम' ???
ढिबसर लिखा करो जी, कंफुजन हो जा सै

दोनों :p

waise maine 'भतेरे' likha tha !

mukeshkumar007
February 14th, 2008, 05:25 PM
Sahi kaha Mukesh ! The real irony !

Kya kiya jaaye bhai...... kya solution hai?

solutions to Di, bhot hai.. lakin kya kaam aye.. itne plan banate hai itni policies banti hai lakin ek bi dang se lagu nai hoti.. koi bi plan dang se implement nai hota kyoki is desh maie upar se lekar niche tak pura system hi ganda ho gaya hai, chahe public ho ya politician sare ke sare apna ullu sidha karne maie lage huwe.. kuch nai hone wala!!

now in this country, only a disaster can set the things on right track !!

sumitsehrawat
February 14th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Poverty???

Exactly...bhai is desh ki waat lagane maie yeh 3P ka bhot bada role hai.. Population, pollution and politics...

dndeswal
February 14th, 2008, 08:23 PM
Poverty???

It is not an issue so far as school education is concerned. Poverty did exist even during the Mughal period when 95% of Indian population was literate. "Poverty" is a concept given by Western economics. There is no definition of poverty - even a millionaire is "poor" compared to billionaires !
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sumitsehrawat
February 14th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Well, that's weird. Deshwal sir, did you actually mean to say poverty is not an issue as far as school education is concerned???? Are you sure Sir??
Well in my opinion, the root cause for poverty is poor or no education. The other way around it true to a large extent too.

""Poverty" is a concept given by Western economics" ...can you quote some source here please?

And sir, I am not sure you are right here...I always thought a millionaire is "less rich" compared to billionaires. "Millionaires" and "Billionaires" terms represent the presence of money(whatever amount) and not the absence of it. So how can one say "poor" even while drawing comparisons???? You see, one got to keep an positive intent. :-)

Thanks,
Sumit


It is not an issue so far as school education is concerned. Poverty did exist even during the Mughal period when 95% of Indian population was literate. "Poverty" is a concept given by Western economics. There is no definition of poverty - even a millionaire is "poor" compared to billionaires !
.

jitendershooda
February 15th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Well, that's weird. Deshwal sir, did you actually mean to say poverty is not an issue as far as school education is concerned???? Are you sure Sir??
Well in my opinion, the root cause for poverty is poor or no education. The other way around it true to a large extent too.

""Poverty" is a concept given by Western economics" ...can you quote some source here please?

And sir, I am not sure you are right here...I always thought a millionaire is "less rich" compared to billionaires. "Millionaires" and "Billionaires" terms represent the presence of money(whatever amount) and not the absence of it. So how can one say "poor" even while drawing comparisons???? You see, one got to keep an positive intent. :-)

Thanks,
Sumit

Ek thread mein itne sawal ... tun bhi bichla de hai :) ha ha ...

dndeswal
February 15th, 2008, 07:19 PM
Ek thread mein itne sawal ... tun bhi bichla de hai :) ha ha ...

Koyi na Jitu - Mein bhi bichall rahaya suun ek baat par - ye "Jan Jagriti" wale bhi to "Tuition" business mein sein (beshak samaj seva kar rahe hain). Zara daalna prakash bhai - ye bhi is dhande ko chamka rahe hain na? hahaha :)
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jitendershooda
February 15th, 2008, 07:31 PM
Koyi na Jitu - Mein bhi bichall rahaya suun ek baat par - ye "Jan Jagriti" wale bhi to "Tuition" business mein sein (beshak samaj seva kar rahe hain). Zara daalna prakash bhai - ye bhi is dhande ko chamka rahe hain na? hahaha :)
.

Deshwal ji, Iss aache tagge pe aur bhi kuch likhna hai manne ... par thoda tem ki bhajam bhaj si hai ... mada dat ke likhunga ... soch ke ;) hade dimag ka kaam hai ... ha ha :)

ygulia
February 15th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Deswal ji mentioned That " और विकसित देशों में आज भी ऐसा ही है । वहां तो ट्यूशन-कोचिंग के बारे में सोचना भी एक तरह का गुनाह है । "
It appears that Deswal Ji does not have first hand knowledge of the Western World. This tution is quite popular here too. The only difference is that it is not affordable by a common man. School education of India is the best in the world. A grade 12 student of India know much more than a Grade 12 student of North America. It is very easy to criticise any thing.

My friend criticism for the sake of criticism is no criticism.
Thanks.

Yoginder Gulia

dndeswal
February 15th, 2008, 09:22 PM
Deswal ji mentioned That " और विकसित देशों में आज भी ऐसा ही है । वहां तो ट्यूशन-कोचिंग के बारे में सोचना भी एक तरह का गुनाह है । "
It appears that Deswal Ji does not have first hand knowledge of the Western World. This tution is quite popular here too. The only difference is that it is not affordable by a common man. School education of India is the best in the world. A grade 12 student of India know much more than a Grade 12 student of North America. It is very easy to criticise any thing.


Without going into details, I may mention that I have spent several years of my career in USA and many years in Europe too – and I have noticed that a 12th-class student of USA or Canada proves to be a more responsible citizen than his Indian counterpart. He may not be as brilliant at mathematics compared to an Indian who was forced to learn complex maths, trignometry and advanced algebra at his tender age, despite his taste and interest. In the West, such subjects are taught at Higher classes, rather than at middle classes as is the case in India. A school student in the US or Canada has more knowledge about his own country, its road-maps, locations and geography, system of government, basic facts about its armed forces and so on. He is also not forced to read English poetry of William Wordsworth or Shakespearean plays in his school syllabus which gives more stress on basic sciences and general knowledge. On the other hand, immediately on passing 12th grade, the Indian student suddenly finds his feet in deep water and a dark future ahead – he feels ashamed even after attaining 90% marks. Where is our young generation heading for?

The fact remains that in the West, primary school kids do not need tuition after school hours.
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anilsinghd
February 15th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Cool to read the thread , along with the fun part , the discussion is going on smoothly !

Just to those who are really on the stress of the downside of country and system , it is after all not that bad as well.

And the emphasis should be on solution , and requires a positive attitude rather tahn saying " desh hi barbaad hai " !

Well i agree with the views of the author of the thread , even i believe that tuition should be done away at least till class 8th !

And i strictly dont believe in heavy workload of kids ! to quote my example : I was inducted in school at age of 6 ( much later than these days norms of getting a kid in school as soon as he is 3 years or so :eek: ) ! Till 8th i was taught by my mom only ( She herself was only literate till grade 8th :), but she would just help me out as much as she could ) !

I had tuitions for about 2 months each in Science and MAths in 9th and 10th ( The idea was to excel , infact i used to sit down with my tutor and tried much difficult problems thatn my course at that time ) . Thats it ! Ofcourse 11th and 12th i followed intensive coaching in an coaching institute.

Thank god i never flunked :D



That seems to be the close to ideal scenario for me.


Again i agree on the point that western students seems to have lot more varied skills adding to their personality while compared to a similar one of India and vice versa when it comes to aptitude ( pure academic ) !

I think this diversity is complimenting and also it depends on person to pick up things !!!

:)

sumitsehrawat
February 16th, 2008, 01:46 PM
Now this, in my opinion, is absolutely correct. The teenagers in North America and most parts of Europe are more 'practically' prepared than ours. At the same time I feel that with globalization things are changing for better in India as well. We are, slowly but surely, becoming more competitive.

Thanks,
Sumit


Without going into details, I may mention that I have spent several years of my career in USA and many years in Europe too – and I have noticed that a 12th-class student of USA or Canada proves to be a more responsible citizen than his Indian counterpart. He may not be as brilliant at mathematics compared to an Indian who was forced to learn complex maths, trignometry and advanced algebra at his tender age, despite his taste and interest. In the West, such subjects are taught at Higher classes, rather than at middle classes as is the case in India. A school student in the US or Canada has more knowledge about his own country, its road-maps, locations and geography, system of government, basic facts about its armed forces and so on. He is also not forced to read English poetry of William Wordsworth or Shakespearean plays in his school syllabus which gives more stress on basic sciences and general knowledge. On the other hand, immediately on passing 12th grade, the Indian student suddenly finds his feet in deep water and a dark future ahead – he feels ashamed even after attaining 90% marks. Where is our young generation heading for?

The fact remains that in the West, primary school kids do not need tuition after school hours.
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sumitsehrawat
February 16th, 2008, 01:48 PM
True..... :-)!!

Cool to read the thread , along with the fun part , the discussion is going on smoothly !

Just to those who are really on the stress of the downside of country and system , it is after all not that bad as well.

And the emphasis should be on solution , and requires a positive attitude rather tahn saying " desh hi barbaad hai " !

Well i agree with the views of the author of the thread , even i believe that tuition should be done away at least till class 8th !

And i strictly dont believe in heavy workload of kids ! to quote my example : I was inducted in school at age of 6 ( much later than these days norms of getting a kid in school as soon as he is 3 years or so :eek: ) ! Till 8th i was taught by my mom only ( She herself was only literate till grade 8th :), but she would just help me out as much as she could ) !

I had tuitions for about 2 months each in Science and MAths in 9th and 10th ( The idea was to excel , infact i used to sit down with my tutor and tried much difficult problems thatn my course at that time ) . Thats it ! Ofcourse 11th and 12th i followed intensive coaching in an coaching institute.

Thank god i never flunked :D



That seems to be the close to ideal scenario for me.


Again i agree on the point that western students seems to have lot more varied skills adding to their personality while compared to a similar one of India and vice versa when it comes to aptitude ( pure academic ) !

I think this diversity is complimenting and also it depends on person to pick up things !!!

:)

rixbelgium
February 16th, 2008, 04:28 PM
Cross your own heart and think peacefully .. those who already have childrens ... Are they not following the same system ..just to show off that their kiids study in convent school and things like that ...they are also following the bhed chal and talking here ...

Safai apne ghar se hi start hoti hai .. Whistle blower has to sacrifice now the question is who will be the whistle blower ??

Everyone curses the country ...like i read in a post about ..Ye desh hi barbaad hai .. mere bhai is desh ko barbaad karne main humne bhi apna yogdan diya hai ....i am proud of india and i will be always ..Bharat mata ki jai

Follow what you say that makes you a sacha JAT

gaganjat
February 16th, 2008, 10:47 PM
There are not many cases where parents ask their kids if they really need a tution or not.

Most of the parents are unsatisfied with the performance of their kids , even if they are scoring good. Its all about getting unreal scores in this crazy world of competition.

The only criterion to judge a kid 'good or bad' is his/her scores.

No body cares about the interests and personality of the kids.

If this goes on and on 'Personality Development Tutions' will be the most important for Indian kids. They really need to do things outdoor.

Parents need to change their way of thinking now.

vijay
February 16th, 2008, 11:36 PM
I agree with Gagan that most of the parents seems not satisfied with their kids grades.... but want to add the term "relatively" here ...... as they always compare their kids with other kids ... and some of them 'ironically' take it as a status symbol that uska bachha mere bacche se intelligent kaise ?

Let them grow up themselves instead of forcing them to grow up.:)

vijay123
February 20th, 2008, 06:16 AM
There are not many cases where parents ask their kids if they really need a tution or not.

Most of the parents are unsatisfied with the performance of their kids , even if they are scoring good. Its all about getting unreal scores in this crazy world of competition.

The only criterion to judge a kid 'good or bad' is his/her scores.

No body cares about the interests and personality of the kids.

If this goes on and on 'Personality Development Tutions' will be the most important for Indian kids. They really need to do things outdoor.

Parents need to change their way of thinking now.


India is still a developing country where resources are scarce and oppurtunities limited. So obviously competition is very high and whatever parents are doing, it is required for the better future of the kids. Once we have abundant resources and oppurtunities, things will late its own course and accordingly readjust themselves.

See the following artice for details:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/185019,one-killed-six-injured-in-stampede-for-jobs-in-india.html

In summary a stampede occured on Feb 11 in one of the recruitement drive for 100 posts of cooks and barbers in CISF. More than 30000 people reached there for those vacancies.

At the end of the day, you would not like kids to point fingers at the parents and say that because you never wanted to spend money on tuitions therefore I could not do that well as I could have done.

I will tell you my story in brief. I was very sharp in studies and doing well then what I had thought. My parents are very happy too. I never had a tuition even for an hour in my life because I knew my parents could not afford it. But if they could have, then definitely I could have been more successaful in life today. I could have achieved more than those friends who were way behind me in studies but had plenty of resources at their disposal. Even today I do not feel satisfied because I have this feeling that I could not receive the education as per my potential. Believe me, these kids who are today feeling the weight of books will forget all this pain when they will become successful in life but if they have to stand in that line of 30,000 men competing for 100 odd jobs in CISF, then they will curse their parents for not doing enough.

dndeswal
February 26th, 2008, 11:10 PM
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It reminds me of an old film by Gulzar, 'Kitab' - which portrayed the mental tension faced by school-going kids due to excessive syllabus and exam phobia. The recently released film "Taare Zameen Par" also portrays a similar theme.
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mansi289
February 27th, 2008, 12:42 AM
i wish thr were coaching centres for our professors who just cant find sufficient words to appreiciate our work...

http://architecture.myninjaplease.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/crit-cartoon.jpg

source : http://blog.miragestudio7.com/2006/05/architecture-presentation-crits/ (http://blog.miragestudio7.com/2006/05/architecture-presentation-crits/)

jat222in
February 27th, 2008, 10:09 AM
Tuition is not necessary. Infact now a days it is FASHION. All parents wants to adopt this fashion. The parents do not want to spare time with their kids. Schools are also not taking care as they should. They are taking heavy fees but the type of homework they give to the kids are too heavy like their bags wight. Heavy word is used because the all things are heavy, weight of books, weight of addmission fees, weight of monthly fees all things are too heavy that parents are overloaded. So they utilize their time to earn more and more money so that all types of weight can be reduced.
"TUITION IS A TREND IT IS SOMEHOW NECESSARY FOR THE WEEKER STUDENTS BUT NOT FOR ALL."

Maniisha
February 27th, 2008, 10:50 AM
As per my views tuitions are required only because of the loopholes in our academic system. Even our parents were students at some point of time but they never found it necessary to have tuitions the school coaching itself was sufficient for them. But now a days even teachers have stopped paying attention to students in school. So sometimes in order to cope up with the syllabus slow learners may need additional support but its not necessary. We can see that now a days tuition classes have became a fashion statement amongst parents. They love to boast about the money they have paid there and are in process of explaining to the world that how they are taking efforts to give best of the education to their kids...

chhillar
February 27th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Problem in getting kids in good school is not a problem just in India, its just about all over world, private or public. The world is so competitive now that you have to get extra time for your kids by a professional and I don't see any harm in doing that compared to half baked/educated moms trying their hands on the kids' home work or worse, kids have nobody to help them at home because parents are busy due to all the good reasons.

Let me ask you all, how many of you really don't beleive in tuition thing to the level that you yourself don't allow tuition to your kids?

chhillar
February 27th, 2008, 11:16 AM
It is not an issue so far as school education is concerned. Poverty did exist even during the Mughal period when 95% of Indian population was literate. "Poverty" is a concept given by Western economics. There is no definition of poverty - even a millionaire is "poor" compared to billionaires !
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95% literacy during, WOW! I guess Akbar was amongst the rest of five percent, manne to lage se 100% literate the Akbar ne chhod ke.

All these dialects without script (now don't tell me there were scripts but brahman and banie took it out of system) around us suggest clearly that the literacy was minimal in India ever since. Even Gurmukh script was manufactured by the second guru.

trueblueindian
February 27th, 2008, 11:44 AM
Problem in getting kids in good school is not a problem just in India, its just about all over world, private or public. The world is so competitive now that you have to get extra time for your kids by a professional and I don't see any harm in doing that compared to half baked/educated moms trying their hands on the kids' home work or worse, kids have nobody to help them at home because parents are busy due to all the good reasons.

Let me ask you all, how many of you really don't beleive in tuition thing to the level that you yourself don't allow tuition to your kids?

i do not support this method .... dont know about the rest of world but in india the major problem is quality education and the theoritical education system is quite good ... we as a nation have allready done quite well on this front ... with whatever little resources we had ..

but on front of morales, civic sense and many many such social platforms the larger part of our community fails substantially ... educated / un educated - dosent matter ...

if given a chance i would choose to make kids more sensible , would try and develop their common sense instead of feeding the the NCERT syllabus in their unreciptive brains and i do belive in this as you dont need to hold all possible degrres just to do good in life ....

and like you mentioned in your post --- half baked moms - in this classic exapmle if these so called moms decide to "EDUCATE" their kids in the right way ... it can do wonders for future india

sindhuamit
February 27th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Friends, I think initially tution was only meant for those whose parents could not help them for various reasons. But these days it has become a fashion to send students to tution classes. Even those who have enough time also send their wards to tution classes to fight the cutthroat competition. Its only because of their herd mentality which makes this dhandha flourish in each and every town. Even it has penetrated to the village level. People who themselve can not clear any competitive exam start coaching others, it has become a trend - Graduation/PG karo aur naukri nahi lagi to start giving tutions. Aur to kuch nahi is herd mentality ke chalte garib aadmi ki kamar toot rahi hai jo sochta hai ki sayad tution bhejne se uske bacchhee bhi kamyaab ho jayenge.

But I think that this tution culture kills creativity and innovations.

Those government teachers who give tutions also dont focus on teaching at school and encourage students to attend their tution classes and threaten them to fail if they dont do the same.

Pata nahi is gorakhdhandhe ka kya hoga.

fatehsingh
February 27th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Without going into details, I may mention that I have spent several years of my career in USA and many years in Europe too – and I have noticed that a 12th-class student of USA or Canada proves to be a more responsible citizen than his Indian counterpart. He may not be as brilliant at mathematics compared to an Indian who was forced to learn complex maths, trignometry and advanced algebra at his tender age, despite his taste and interest. In the West, such subjects are taught at Higher classes, rather than at middle classes as is the case in India. A school student in the US or Canada has more knowledge about his own country, its road-maps, locations and geography, system of government, basic facts about its armed forces and so on. He is also not forced to read English poetry of William Wordsworth or Shakespearean plays in his school syllabus which gives more stress on basic sciences and general knowledge. On the other hand, immediately on passing 12th grade, the Indian student suddenly finds his feet in deep water and a dark future ahead – he feels ashamed even after attaining 90% marks. Where is our young generation heading for?

The fact remains that in the West, primary school kids do not need tuition after school hours.
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100% wrong dayand ji being a student of gcse and now in university i can give some facts
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=related
and about tution..in london mathematics and english tuition for kids is a big business in billions.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4421799.stm


These included the suggestion that just over one in four (27%) children were being privately tutored. E-mails to the BBC's news website suggested people were paying between £15 and £25 a session.
FOR ONE HOUR RS 2000..............

dndeswal
February 27th, 2008, 07:13 PM
[quote=chhillar;162323]95% literacy during, WOW! I guess Akbar was amongst the rest of five percent, manne to lage se 100% literate the Akbar ne chhod ke.
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Extracts from Lord Macaulay's speech in British Parliament on 2nd February 1835 are quoted below

“I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre that I do not think that we would ever conquer this country unless we break the very backbone of this nation which is her spiritual and cultural heritage. Therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture. For, if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native culture – and they will become what we want them – a truly dominated nation.”

Macaulay said this in 19th Century - how prosperious was India, both financially and literacy-wise, can be gauged from this statement of a Britisher.

Though Mughal period lasted till 1857, the peak period of this dynasty could be just 200 years, till the death of Auranzeb in 1707. "Literate" is he who knows how to read and write, we are not talking of advanced learning. In today's context, our government counts a person as "literate" who can write his name - that's it.

"Wonder that was India" - the book written by A.L. Basham (who was a Reader in the History Department of the University of London) mentions the status of literary in India to the tune of 90-95% even during Mughal period. This book was published in 1954 by Macmillan Co., New York, and is available in most libraries.



[quote=fatehsingh;162381]100% wrong dayand ji being a student of gcse and now in university i can give some facts
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=related
and about tution..in london mathematics and english tuition for kids is a big business in billions.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4421799.stm


Sorry - it may not be 100% true but it is not 100% false either. BBC Link is not working and the youtube video is portraying weak GK of stupid grown-up Americans. This thread is about forced tuition for young kids, not for grown-up university students who must get extra tuitions. In Indian context, the process is in reverse-gear - young kids are overburdened with fat syllabus and tuition after school hours - whereas the university guys hesitate even to attend their regular classes !
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sanjeetsparp
February 27th, 2008, 07:22 PM
Sometimes we combine the definitions of Education and Literacy and use tham in place of each other.

Definition of Education "Over all personality Development of an Individual" which has a great elaborated meaning.

Literacy mean " An individual recognise words and knows how to write"

There is a compiled data of literate individuals in India but there is no statistics of Educated people and no measure for level of Education.

A child learns from the surrounding as well as school environment, School has a broad meaning. Tution is for boosting certain knowledge aspects with the help of a person in a closed environment. There the mind of student doesn't develop.

But now a days as the teacher don't know the meaning of education and under the process of performance, in private school they adopt only craming techiques and even force the students to cram in the recess period and in the morning session and no time for Play class. So the learning capacity always goes down for a student in these circumstance and parents only adopt the techniques for hiring a private tutor.

Also now a days when both parents are working they take the help of tutor just to engage there child for a while.

Some do it for fashion. But the true fact is that give your child the proper environment at home and at school and they will develop of there own. just be a bit vigilant to guide him properly to put him on track and to focus.

fatehsingh
February 27th, 2008, 08:29 PM
[quote]
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Extracts from Lord Macaulay's speech in British Parliament on 2nd February 1835 are quoted below

“I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre that I do not think that we would ever conquer this country unless we break the very backbone of this nation which is her spiritual and cultural heritage. Therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture. For, if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native culture – and they will become what we want them – a truly dominated nation.”

Macaulay said this in 19th Century - how prosperious was India, both financially and literacy-wise, can be gauged from this statement of a Britisher.

Though Mughal period lasted till 1857, the peak period of this dynasty could be just 200 years, till the death of Auranzeb in 1707. "Literate" is he who knows how to read and write, we are not talking of advanced learning. In today's context, our government counts a person as "literate" who can write his name - that's it.

"Wonder that was India" - the book written by A.L. Basham (who was a Reader in the History Department of the University of London) mentions the status of literary in India to the tune of 90-95% even during Mughal period. This book was published in 1954 by Macmillan Co., New York, and is available in most libraries.

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Sorry - it may not be 100% true but it is not 100% false either. BBC Link is not working and the youtube video is portraying weak GK of stupid grown-up Americans. This thread is about forced tuition for young kids, not for grown-up university students who must get extra tuitions. In Indian context, the process is in reverse-gear - young kids are overburdened with fat syllabus and tuition after school hours - whereas the university guys hesitate even to attend their regular classes !
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i just checked it. its working sir