Open letter to the admins of Jatland

[vijay]

The idea of creating a site for Jats all over the Globe was such a nice one and thanks for the imagination what respected Nitin Dahiya dreamed about. People came forward to appreciate and contribute for the noble cause.

Since then Jatland had travelled so many miles on the highway of population and popularity. Now we are a proudy prospect of internet world having more than 10,000 members got registered at Jatland .... so far :)

Now when we have all the strength to face anything .... it's time to think about what we are upto ? What's Jatland all about. Was it dreamed about to be an hub for some entertainers or was it dreamed about to be a model and/or common stage to help and appreciate the Jat community and to make an impact at Global level ?

Right now .... i don't think that Jatland need any help from anyone else as we are going well both with quality and quantity. Correct me if i am wrong here :)

I became members of Jatland in 2005 and since then i watching jatland closely. Those nice and healthy discussion on threads are rare. Almost every thread is being dragged off track. Members using such a language in forums which is not acceptable by any means ......... where we are heading to ?

Honest question : Is quantity matters than the quality .......... even now when we seems to be self suffiecient to protect our identity and honour at global level.

The Mods : What's their significance ?

Honestly for what they exists ?

Are they here to control the procedings or they are here to act when things get out of control ?

A person can vomit all the craps in chaupal and mods seems reluctent to act upon. A stupid can even abuse a female mod and later that night another male mod seems confused about imposing ban on that person.

Why you people impose the job to the people who even don't know what is their responsibility when they are assigned to this job.

I tried so many times to make any contact with mods whenever someone was/were talking indecent in chaupal ....... and most of the times mods liked to log out instead of handling the situation. Just like Indian politicians ... :)



Jatland Admins, Mods, and all other respected members ....... please forgive me if i had typed something wrong or unacceptable here. :)

[naveenbazad]

teacher gives lecture ...there r various students .. from the same class from the same topic one reads and handles big situation whereas another does nothing .. teacher wants every body to perform in the same way .. but can he force .... in other words .. can moderators force ......i dont think no ..

regarding that chaupal thing ...
there is one line .. my tolerance level is reached .. u misbehaving .. report to moderator .. ban is there ...

ppl dont want to complian but want ban..

regarding tolerance level .. every body can say i am not tolerating this and i think no one can say interfere in their life ...

no one for u r so important that u say stop talking and he or she keeps on

[sindhu]

Well, Very well and nice observation. I too think the same way as majority of postings are non-serious. It is ok to have freedom of speech as we have all kinds of people around belonging to different school of thoughts. It is a healthy sign that we get all kinds of postings. It is good in a way

But, there should be some level of control in at least some of the threads so that all the threads do not end up in same non-serious conclusion.

I think in my opinion, there should be an editorial thread which should be have controlled expression so that only the constructive views are published. There should be a intellectual group which should read the views, review it and then decide which should be posted on the net. One editorial a day only which should retire after a week and no more posts on that thread. People should send the views about a topic and then it should be reviewed and then posted.

Let other threads be a free flow....

This will improve the quality of postings at least in editorial section

[Samarkadian]

{when we have all the strength to face anything .... it's time to think about what we are upto ? What's Jatland all about. Was it dreamed about to be an hub for some entertainers or was it dreamed about to be a model and/or common stage to help and appreciate the Jat community and [/COLOR][/B]to make an impact at Global level ?
[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][COLOR=sienna]Right now .... i don't think that Jatland need any help from anyone else as we are going well both with quality and quantity. Correct me if i am wrong here :)




Vijay, I challange if you can get this answer, kindly let me know as well, I do not see any possibility of balancing the acts as adding new features were more important than quality posting.

[B]Lets see if any Big Boss issue a white-paper over it.

[satyeshwar]

Hi Vijay,
You have asked a few unrelated questions and put them in a single thread. I am unsure whether to answer all of them or just address your main grievance against the moderators, so for now I will only address the latter as that seemed salient in your thread.

Moderators are supposed to largely leave the threads alone. Knit-picking every thread is typically not in anyone's interest and even if members feel like a large number of threads have been moderated in the past, you will be surprised that this number is a very small percentage of the total threads that have been posted.

Secondly, the male moderator that you have talked about in your thread is relatively new at being a moderator (doing his duty for the past 3 weeks only). He is learning when to be strict and when to be lenient and as I had posted in my thread introducing him, members need to allow him some time before he understands the nuances of moderatorship. I am sure when you joined your job, there was a certain training period involved, right? The same thing applies here.

Finally, I have said time and time again, Moderators cannot catch every culprit every single time. Believe it or not, we all have other jobs that we have to tend to as well. Members can either be helpful in catching those culprits by saving chat logs, reporting abusive threads etc. to the moderators, or they can blame the moderators for everything that goes wrong here. Also, keep one thing in mind. Just because you want someone banned because you think they said something invalid doesn't automatically mean that person will be banned. They will be given a fair chance to explain their side of the story and the right action will be taken after looking at all the evidence. We are not politicians, but we are not pawns either! :)
-Satyeshwar

[ysjabp]

[quote=vijay;169584]The idea of creating a site for Jats all over the Globe was such a nice one and thanks for the imagination what respected Nitin Dahiya dreamed about. People came forward to appreciate and contribute for the noble cause.

Since then Jatland had travelled so many miles on the highway of population and popularity. Now we are a proudy prospect of internet world having more than 10,000 members got registered at Jatland .... so far :)

Now when we have all the strength to face anything .... it's time to think about what we are upto ? What's Jatland all about. Was it dreamed about to be an hub for some entertainers or was it dreamed about to be a model and/or common stage to help and appreciate the Jat community and to make an impact at Global level ?

Right now .... i don't think that Jatland need any help from anyone else as we are going well both with quality and quantity. Correct me if i am wrong here :)

I became members of Jatland in 2005 and since then i watching jatland closely. Those nice and healthy discussion on threads are rare. Almost every thread is being dragged off track. Members using such a language in forums which is not acceptable by any means ......... where we are heading to ?

Honest question : Is quantity matters than the quality .......... even now when we seems to be self suffiecient to protect our identity and honour at global level.

The Mods : What's their significance ?

Honestly for what they exists ?

Are they here to control the procedings or they are here to act when things get out of control ?

A person can vomit all the craps in chaupal and mods seems reluctent to act upon. A stupid can even abuse a female mod and later that night another male mod seems confused about imposing ban on that person.

Why you people impose the job to the people who even don't know what is their responsibility when they are assigned to this job.

I tried so many times to make any contact with mods whenever someone was/were talking indecent in chaupal ....... and most of the times mods liked to log out instead of handling the situation. Just like Indian politicians ... :)



Jatland Admins, Mods, and all other respected members ....... please forgive me if i had typed something wrong or unacceptable here. :)[/quote

DEAR VIJAY SINGH JI

WE ARE GROWING AND WE PROUD OF IT, BUT WE KNOW THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE NOT SAME. SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLLY COME HERE TO JUST FOR FUN . THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OF IMPORTANCE OF OUR JATLAND. YOU ARE RIGHT, WE NEED QUALITY FIRST THEN QUANTITY.

[mukeshkumar007]

[B][COLOR=sienna]A person can vomit all the craps in chaupal and mods seems reluctent to act upon. A stupid can even abuse a female mod and later that night another male mod seems confused about imposing ban on that person.

Why you people impose the job to the people who even don't know what is their responsibility when they are assigned to this job.

I tried so many times to make any contact with mods whenever someone was/were talking indecent in chaupal ....... and most of the times mods liked to log out instead of handling the situation. Just like Indian politicians ... :)

]

Jeha tak maie samjta hoo mods apna kaam kar rehe hai.. Though sometime the need is felt of quick and strict action but that doesn’t mean we should blame to moderators for everything happens wrong here in jatland.

I personally think every member as a individual is enough capable to handle such a nonsense who talk indecent in choupal.. either one can ignore him or could report to moderator for ones rude behavior…

But most of the times I have observed that some members behave very irresponsibly and speak utter nonsense specially while talking with female members but female members too enjoy it instead of ignoring him or reporting to moderator, and it ultimately encourage that person to carry on with his craps in choupal..

[brahmtewatia]

my views on the subject are not too different. i too agree to mr. mukesh (above post) tht moderators are doing their job to their best. its very difficult to pin-point each and every wrong doing on JL...as such it becomes collective responsibility of all JATlanders to inform the Mod's at most opportune time and with some concrete evidence...like saving the chatlog etc...remember its everybody's responsibility.

abt the role of Mod's (specific to the subject incident)...i 100% agree with satyeshwar

at the same time we must not forget that different ppl think in different ways, taking this viewpoint in retrospective and applying it on myself...i wud say tht i don't read each and every thread. i only go for threads which r of interest to me...guess everyone can do that. although i m new on JL, i feel that we still have old and new threads tht call for healthy and meaningful discussions...its like buying vegetables from the vendor...u'll buy only those that u want.

if we start pin-pointing evry wrong doing on JL then we'll have umpteen threds on...do this...dont do this...do that...dont do that etc etc.
i personally feel that JL is doin fine nd progressing by leaps nd bounds...no regrets so far...:):):)

[sejwaldeepak]

As Usual, Always happens when a new Mod comes in JATLand Team. :):tamatar

[sumitsehrawat]

Well said Satyeshwar bhai.
But got one doubt...can't these chat logs be interpolated by the complainant (the Bhola Bhandari) and then reported to the moderators?

Baaki saari baat aapki ekdum theek.

Thanks...:)!

Hi Vijay,
Members can either be helpful in catching those culprits by saving chat logs, reporting abusive threads etc. to the moderators, or they can blame the moderators for everything that goes wrong here. Also, keep one thing in mind. -Satyeshwar

[VirenderNarwal]

Mr.Vijay ji, concern to your silent quote, let me also clarify the facts, neither the authority given me the responsibility to rule here, nor I want to take any initiation to over-rule.

Before raising any accused finger on others we should know about our behaviour, this is just to remind you whether you forget about your previous (unexpected) reply on a thread (reply no. 131) regarding Mukesh Samota Ji……although I don’t want to give the link (you know better...why...? ) यहां गडे मुर्दे उखाडना उचित न होगा....?

You are taking this matter unnecessarily in diplomatically manner as openly…Who is here businessman, farmer or a politician none of your business and nobody supposed to tell you that what action taken by The Admins/Mod and up to what extend.

We are sincere and hard working people which are the foundation of our progress. The criteria of accepting the Job truly to serve for the betterness of JAT LAND and our Community in healthy and decent manners.

We know better our limitations and domain of our responsibility.

Regards
.

[cooljat]

Bhaisaab, I always admire your 'सीधी और सच्ची बात' !! :)

Very well explained! ...

You're doin a great job, keep it up!


Rock on
Jit


Mr.Vijay ji, concern to your silent quote, let me also clarify the facts, neither the authority given me the responsibility to rule here, nor I want to take any initiation to over-rule.

[dkumars]

Here, i wud like to ask one thing. How many times have it happened ? Is this ignorance is continued or for the first time ? Vijay ji, did u complaint before also and no action was taken ? If not then i feel this thread is an outcome of ur personal emotions that u made a complaint against someone and that memeber was not banned as per ur expectations. So, i feel ur personal ego might have hurt.

If moderators are not listening at all then u shud start a thread loke this. But on very first mistake(if it is) then u shud wait for sometime and enquire it at backend, silently. Bringing such a small topic to all members is an irresponsible act.

As mentioned by Mukesh and advocated by Mr Tewatia i too feel its members responsibility too. I have noticed a lot of time in chaupal that female members saying NO PM PLEASE. Why do they do that ? Cant they simply ignore them ? When they say even a single word the guy becomes more curious and attracted towards her. The best way is to keep silence and igone him and intimate the mods abouth his filthy and raunchy language, if he uses. Other members also shud not keep silence that time. They shud pressurise him to use decent language and maintain the decorum. But it hardly happens. So, blaming moderators for everything is very incorrect.

[dkumars]

Mr.Vijay ji, concern to your silent quote, let me also clarify the facts, neither the authority given me the responsibility to rule here, nor I want to take any initiation to over-rule.

Before raising any accused finger on others we should know about our behaviour, this is just to remind you whether you forget about your previous (unexpected) reply on a thread (reply no. 131) regarding Mukesh Samota Ji……although I don’t want to give the link (you know better...why...? ) यहां गडे मुर्दे उखाडना उचित न होगा....?

You are taking this matter unnecessarily in diplomatically manner as openly…Who is here businessman, farmer or a politician none of your business and nobody supposed to tell you that what action taken by The Admins/Mod and up to what extend.

We are sincere and hard working people which are the foundation of our progress. The criteria of accepting the Job truly to serve for the betterness of JAT LAND and our Community in healthy and decent manners.

We know better our limitations and domain of our responsibility.

Regards
.



You are doing a good Job Narwal Ji. Hope u will continue it with same zest in future too.
ALL THE BEST

[rabbu]

You are doing a good Job Narwal Ji. Hope u will continue it with same zest in future too.
ALL THE BEST

Pirya Pathko ( Dear Readers)

Hello Vijay JI



Today u wrote a letter to Moderator of Jat Land and u wrote in this that mods are not working properly their job and u also wrote that they are doing politics.


Vijay ji ek baat main es pater ke dawara sab logo ko bata dena chahata hun ki jo loh Seese ( miror ) ke gharo main rahteh hain wo dusro ke gharon pe pather nahi feka karte, i mean "Those people who are living under mirror house, they don't throw stone on others house"

Main ek baat or bata dena chahta hun ki mailny hum sabhi jat land ke member Zamidar or dehati gharo se sambhandh rakhten hain to aapne samaj main ek kahawat bahut famous hai or wo es parkar se hain
"
"Kaka ke haath main kassi bahut halki lagti hain"

or ye tabhi ahsaas hua tatabb wo kassi kaka ne apne beta ke haath mein di, tabb usko ahsaas hua
ki haan kisi ko adesh dena or Nirdesh dena bahut aasaan hota hain ot diye hue aadesho ka pallen karna bahut muskil hota hian

So main kuch or jayada sapace na lete hue bus main yahi baat batana chahta thaa ki bhai kisi ke Ungli uthana bahut asaan hota hain lekin kisi ko marg darshan karna or usko ek achcha rasta ( way ) dikhana bahut aasaan hota hain

So i request to the our New Moderator of Jat Land MR. Virender Singh NArwal ki aap en choti moti baaton ke jayada heavy na samjhe , because Narwal Saheb India main ek kami hain ki jo people Zindgi main kuch karke dikhte hian toh ass - padoss ke logo ki dikkat hoti hain ,

Narwal bhai saheb se meri vinnti hain ki aapn aapne path se vichlit na hove or es Jat Land ko or es Jat Land ke Mandh Budhi members ko Andhere se Parkash ki or le jave. Meri aape se yahi pararthana hian.

baaki padhen सीधी और सच्ची बात !!!!! ke aagle ank main


Thanx alot

[jitendershooda]

ha ha ha ... bhaiyo tum te sare iss chore ke pache lag liye ... ha ha ....

Kuchek baat Vijay bhai ne theek kahi hein jaise thread ki disha badalna .... using bad words and rude lang .... but I dont agree with Vijay on the mod function on this ..... maine pahele bhi ek thread likha tha mods ke liye ....
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21071

Aur mujhe lagta hai ki jo bhi mods hein wo ek bahut keemti waqt de rahe hein iss site ko .... and we should appreciate that ... perhaps they are not earning of this job .... its voluntary .... why not out of us come forward to accept it if we think that there are some issues. Vijay you can also be one of them. We will welcome you.

Mod banane se sirf aadmi apni person hatred badhata hai iss site pe ... mujhe to yahi lagta hai ... .... Please dont target them ,.... I remember Sumit sehrawat used some discontented words once but then I asked him to try once to check if mods are listening or not ... he tried and now the result is that we are having a separate Sports forum here to discuss for sports.

So bhai Vijay .... dont get dis-heartened ... try try again and am sure that the mods are not deaf here ... i have severally contacted them and they have replied me back ... though sometimes I found their replies not pleasing to me as they are not my expectations ... but when I look at them impartially they might be right from their angle ... will write about one incident in a separate thread.

But I request members too .... not to get personal if Vijay have quoted silently something ... as this will increase the gaps only and not convince the other with strong words. He is most active member and may differ in his thoughts but by our polite replies too he can find the conclusions.

[mukeshkumar007]

Pirya Pathko ( Dear Readers)



baaki padhen [/SIZE][/SIZE]सीधी और सच्ची बात !!!!! ke aagle ank main


Thanx alot





ji apka patar mil gaya :D:D ab mehrbani hogi ki aap iska agla ank na nikale to :D

[cooljat]

hahahaha!! :D:D:D Bhai tu tension mat na le, iski chithi-patri mein beech mein hi jabt kar loonga! :p;):p

Waise bhai Royal Jat Ravi, gud attempt :) waise Narwal bhaisaab himself is very rational & intellectual person he knows how to tackle negative criticism!! :)




ji apka patar mil gaya :D ab mehrbani hogi ki aap iska agla ank na nikale to :D

[jitendershooda]

Mr.Vijay ji, concern to your silent quote, let me also clarify the facts, neither the authority given me the responsibility to rule here, nor I want to take any initiation to over-rule.

Before raising any accused finger on others we should know about our behaviour, this is just to remind you whether you forget about your previous (unexpected) reply on a thread (reply no. 131) regarding Mukesh Samota Ji……although I don’t want to give the link (you know better...why...? ) यहां गडे मुर्दे उखाडना उचित न होगा....?

.

Narwal ji .... ya baat aapne theek kahi ... uchit te katiye konya hota gade murde ukhadna ... and it would have been much better if you would not have quoted the mentioned incident even ...

Lyo Sumit dahiya aali Chill-Pill er suno ya ragni ...
"Dhake Dhakae dhol dhare sein te dhare rahan de re ... kyun pachle paap ughade se ..."

Kisse ka faeda na narwal ji ... haan aapne iss pahele para mein ee sari baat kahe di .....
"let me also clarify the facts, neither the authority given me the responsibility to rule here, nor I want to take any initiation to over-rule."

[jitendershooda]

ji apka patar mil gaya :D:D ab mehrbani hogi ki aap iska agla ank na nikale to :D


hahahaha!! :D:D:D Bhai tu tension mat na le, iski chithi-patri mein beech mein hi jabt kar loonga! :p;):p

ha ha ha ... ke kuhladi mein guf fod rahe so bhaiyo tum ... ke kime fake id ka rolla se ke ... ha ha ... just kidding ...

[cooljat]

Well, Jitu bhai

I know you always stay rational & unbiased, thats wat I like bout u most! :)

Well 'silently'....hummm, I guess u missed the hidden sarcasm in the very thread....the guy who got personal himself n tried to defame one fellow member by spreading wrong n misleading cheap rumour, himself preaching n blaming the mods! Strange... :rolleyes:

ye to wohi baat ho gayi 900 chuhe kha ke bili (male) chali haz ko...

Kher leave it, I agree with DK ....members r equally responsible, they shud act as DK suggested!

Rock on
Jit


ha ha ha ... bhaiyo tum te sare iss chore ke pache lag liye ... ha ha ....

But I request members too .... not to get personal if Vijay have quoted silently something ... as this will increase the gaps only and not convince the other with strong words. He is most active member and may differ in his thoughts but by our polite replies too he can find the conclusions.

[jitendershooda]

Well, Jitu bhai

I know you always stay rational & unbiased, thats wat I like bout u most! :)

Well 'silently'....hummm, I guess u missed the hidden sarcasm in the very thread....the guy who got personal himself n tried to defame one fellow member by spreading wrong n misleading cheap rumour, himself preaching n blaming the mods! Strange... :rolleyes:

ye to wohi baat ho gayi 900 chuhe kha ke bili (male) chali haz ko...

Kher leave it, I agree with DK ....members r equally responsible, they shud act as DK suggested!

Rock on
Jit

Ha ha ... thanks Jit bhai for your kind words ...

Ke mere yaar hade ke kisse ka kime battein se ... usne kahe di ... kahen dyo ... ignorance is the best policy .... he will himself feel bad later if he is wrong... aadmi ka dimag kabhi na kabhi to apni galati svikar karta hi hai ... chahe ekant mein hi ... this way replying other with blames/personal comments ... we are satisfying/nourishing the others ego ...

[ssgoyat]

vijayji ke liye....

kripya yahaan apna gyaan na baatien yahan sab gyaani hai

apne jitte wali baat hai....

well..narvalji, keep ur spirit high, u're doing a fantastic job, you were always there, whenever i needed u....
and jo galat hai, aap usko galat hi kehte ho....kisika favour nahi lete ho...ye baat aapki bahut achchi lagi..

aur jahan tak kisi ko BAN karne wali baat hai...
Vijayji, u must have some proofs to accuse somebody...

it's not always ki , aap jab chahoge, jisko chahoge ban karwa doge...



i always used to save chatroom's discussons, whenever i find some culprit....and send them to our mods for further action....

[ssgoyat]

bas ab is thread ko yahin pe taala laga do.....:boxing


bhateri ho li....


yo vijay bhi seenk si baal ke , bera na kit chala gaya....

[prashantacmet]

Ohhhh...ek aur akarman ki tayyarri.....bhratashri merri gada kaha hai;);)

[mukeshkumar007]

Ohhhh...ek aur akarman ki tayyarri.....bhratashri merri gada kaha hai;);)

lukho di thari gada :D

[vijay]

I think in my opinion, there should be an editorial thread which should be have controlled expression so that only the constructive views are published. There should be a intellectual group which should read the views, review it and then decide which should be posted on the net. One editorial a day only which should retire after a week and no more posts on that thread. People should send the views about a topic and then it should be reviewed and then posted.


Very nice idea Bhai ....... :)

[vijay]

Vijay, I challange if you can get this answer, kindly let me know as well, I do not see any possibility of balancing the acts as adding new features were more important than quality posting. [/B]

Lets see if any Big Boss issue a white-paper over it.


Hahahahaha Samar ..... can't you read all. I got so many answers ..... even more than needed/asked. :)

[vijay]

Hi Vijay,
You have asked a few unrelated questions and put them in a single thread. I am unsure whether to answer all of them or just address your main grievance against the moderators, so for now I will only address the latter as that seemed salient in your thread.

Moderators are supposed to largely leave the threads alone. Knit-picking every thread is typically not in anyone's interest and even if members feel like a large number of threads have been moderated in the past, you will be surprised that this number is a very small percentage of the total threads that have been posted.

Secondly, the male moderator that you have talked about in your thread is relatively new at being a moderator (doing his duty for the past 3 weeks only). He is learning when to be strict and when to be lenient and as I had posted in my thread introducing him, members need to allow him some time before he understands the nuances of moderatorship. I am sure when you joined your job, there was a certain training period involved, right? The same thing applies here.

Finally, I have said time and time again, Moderators cannot catch every culprit every single time. Believe it or not, we all have other jobs that we have to tend to as well. Members can either be helpful in catching those culprits by saving chat logs, reporting abusive threads etc. to the moderators, or they can blame the moderators for everything that goes wrong here. Also, keep one thing in mind. Just because you want someone banned because you think they said something invalid doesn't automatically mean that person will be banned. They will be given a fair chance to explain their side of the story and the right action will be taken after looking at all the evidence. We are not politicians, but we are not pawns either! :)
-Satyeshwar


Well i think that all my questions are quite related to one another. What i meant to say is that now when we have such a huge membership at Jatland, we must pay attention to the quality of the content at Jatland instead of quantity and personally i feel that moderators can bring out the desired results provided the fact that they have to take some hard decisions. That's my lonely concern of this thread. :)

Regarding the specific mod ... i just mentioned it as it was a recent incident which i remember at first hand and there was no intention to criticize anybody. Also about the unavailabilty of the mods quite a few times was just a concern of the moment. You are right as people always take time to get used to the situation.

Since last two years of my membership here .. i never asked any admin/mod to ban anyone. Hence the thought of any personal grudges against someone seems a far fetched concern.

Moderators can't be blamed for everything that goes wrong here but their consistant approach towards all the wrong things can bring out nice results. And this can also motivate other members to behave in a responsible manner. I hope this fact makes some sense :)

[ritu]

devender its easier said than done.when multiple pm windows start popping on ur screen and whatever you want to write in chaupal get written there ,its really annoying.and trust me "no pm in chaupal" is being written after using the ignore tool .



I have noticed a lot of time in chaupal that female members saying NO PM PLEASE. Why do they do that ? Cant they simply ignore them ? When they say even a single word the guy becomes more curious and attracted towards her. The best way is to keep silence and igone him and intimate the mods abouth his filthy and raunchy language, if he uses. Other members also shud not keep silence that time. They shud pressurise him to use decent language and maintain the decorum. But it hardly happens. So, blaming moderators for everything is very incorrect.[/quote]

[ritu]

why we should look towards moderators.sawari aapne saaman ki khud jimmedar hai yaha ka to vahi rule hai.
The idea of creating a site for Jats all over the Globe was such a nice one and thanks for the imagination what respected Nitin Dahiya dreamed about. People came forward to appreciate and contribute for the noble cause.

Since then Jatland had travelled so many miles on the highway of population and popularity. Now we are a proudy prospect of internet world having more than 10,000 members got registered at Jatland .... so far :)

Now when we have all the strength to face anything .... it's time to think about what we are upto ? What's Jatland all about. Was it dreamed about to be an hub for some entertainers or was it dreamed about to be a model and/or common stage to help and appreciate the Jat community and to make an impact at Global level ?

Right now .... i don't think that Jatland need any help from anyone else as we are going well both with quality and quantity. Correct me if i am wrong here :)

I became members of Jatland in 2005 and since then i watching jatland closely. Those nice and healthy discussion on threads are rare. Almost every thread is being dragged off track. Members using such a language in forums which is not acceptable by any means ......... where we are heading to ?

Honest question : Is quantity matters than the quality .......... even now when we seems to be self suffiecient to protect our identity and honour at global level.

The Mods : What's their significance ?

Honestly for what they exists ?

Are they here to control the procedings or they are here to act when things get out of control ?

A person can vomit all the craps in chaupal and mods seems reluctent to act upon. A stupid can even abuse a female mod and later that night another male mod seems confused about imposing ban on that person.

Why you people impose the job to the people who even don't know what is their responsibility when they are assigned to this job.

I tried so many times to make any contact with mods whenever someone was/were talking indecent in chaupal ....... and most of the times mods liked to log out instead of handling the situation. Just like Indian politicians ... :)



Jatland Admins, Mods, and all other respected members ....... please forgive me if i had typed something wrong or unacceptable here. :)

[yashpal2267]

hey mods you all are doing great job...thanks for all ur efforts...

[anilsinghd]

The idea of creating a site for Jats all over the Globe was such a nice one and thanks for the imagination what respected Nitin Dahiya dreamed about. People came forward to appreciate and contribute for the noble cause.

Now when we have all the strength to face anything .... it's time to think about what we are upto ? What's Jatland all about. Was it dreamed about to be an hub for some entertainers or was it dreamed about to be a model and/or common stage to help and appreciate the Jat community and to make an impact at Global level ?

Right now .... i don't think that Jatland need any help from anyone else as we are going well both with quality and quantity. Correct me if i am wrong here :)

I became members of Jatland in 2005 and since then i watching jatland closely. Those nice and healthy discussion on threads are rare. Almost every thread is being dragged off track. Members using such a language in forums which is not acceptable by any means ......... where we are heading to ?

Honest question : Is quantity matters than the quality .......... even now when we seems to be self suffiecient to protect our identity and honour at global level.

The Mods : What's their significance ?

Honestly for what they exists ?

Are they here to control the procedings or they are here to act when things get out of control ?

A person can vomit all the craps in chaupal and mods seems reluctent to act upon. A stupid can even abuse a female mod and later that night another male mod seems confused about imposing ban on that person.

Why you people impose the job to the people who even don't know what is their responsibility when they are assigned to this job.

I tried so many times to make any contact with mods whenever someone was/were talking indecent in chaupal ....... and most of the times mods liked to log out instead of handling the situation. Just like Indian politicians ... :)



Jatland Admins, Mods, and all other respected members ....... please forgive me if i had typed something wrong or unacceptable here. :)


Hi Vijay,
You have asked a few unrelated questions and put them in a single thread. I am unsure whether to answer all of them or just address your main grievance against the moderators, so for now I will only address the latter as that seemed salient in your thread.

Moderators are supposed to largely leave the threads alone. Knit-picking every thread is typically not in anyone's interest and even if members feel like a large number of threads have been moderated in the past, you will be surprised that this number is a very small percentage of the total threads that have been posted.

Secondly, the male moderator that you have talked about in your thread is relatively new at being a moderator (doing his duty for the past 3 weeks only). He is learning when to be strict and when to be lenient and as I had posted in my thread introducing him, members need to allow him some time before he understands the nuances of moderatorship. I am sure when you joined your job, there was a certain training period involved, right? The same thing applies here.

Finally, I have said time and time again, Moderators cannot catch every culprit every single time. Believe it or not, we all have other jobs that we have to tend to as well. Members can either be helpful in catching those culprits by saving chat logs, reporting abusive threads etc. to the moderators, or they can blame the moderators for everything that goes wrong here. Also, keep one thing in mind. Just because you want someone banned because you think they said something invalid doesn't automatically mean that person will be banned. They will be given a fair chance to explain their side of the story and the right action will be taken after looking at all the evidence. We are not politicians, but we are not pawns either! :)
-Satyeshwar


Well , I am after a long time and feeling pretty indifferent after reading the thread. Thought the discussion was dragged to somewhere else but the crux of the thread ( as per me ) still remains and this is the same thing that has haunted me for quite aperiod of time.

Earlier I was removing some of the text of the quoted posts , but i think each word has significance , so i kept them as they were.

I congratulate Vijay for bringing on a topic of high significance. I am not 100% sure on what he exactly intended but i take it pretty positively.

Regarding the acts of craps by some stupid people and annoying members in chaupals and threads and what moderators are supposed to do, Satyeshwar pretty meticulously and succintly summarised the plan of action and I dont disagree with him. Practically there is not a lot that can be done actually and of course people handling are trying their best and that is what actually is important.
However I am just confused about the choice of the people that have this responsibility of moderation. I am no where suggesting that they dont have the class to take it through and neither i am undermining their capabilities but I am not very sure on their influence. As i take it , people who are moderators are people who are not posting a lot and that is why they are the ones who are not regularly interacting with the guys who are regularly posting. So any act of intereference on their part actually looks an "interference" to the guilty parties. The actions could have been much smoother if they come from people who they talk to regularly.
and that is exactly the reason that i was very happy when Narwal Ji w ere appointed as moderator because they pretty much interact with all and that makes them a very very good choice for the job.

Well people have their own philosophies and may be thier own approach looks better for the administrators ! :)

That is it for the Satyeshwar's part of the explanation.

Moving forward I would still like to ask ( and i dont know a better guy than Satyeshwar to direct this to , so I expect him to answer me , infact i request him to answer me ) about the significance of moderators and the role they play in the community?

Are they only for reading up a few crap posts of people , take some actions and ban/unban and hand over warnings etc ? And for this stuff only?


And if the answer is yes , then I am very upset about it. We can always hire a guy who just has to look at all the post with a few rules and guidelines and he will do a good job !

By moderators , the implied name/role should be of community leaders and they have an responsibility of assuming the role of leaders for the members( For sure each member has the responsibility of taking the community as a whole forward).
I mean the caliber of guys like Satyeshwar should not be wasted for reading up some crap posts only which are never on the topic , not even by chance.
And that is where i propose the idea of growing and looking at JatLand as a community and we must work for its growth and by growth i am not implying the number of members/posts/forums!
We should form teams with different expertise and assign tasks to team members and new members should be encouraged to join some of the teams.
And team work can range from anything like building / maintaining a database of books to helping out old people in the most rural parts of our country and of our community.
And do i need mention that we have plenty of resources for the same ?
We have an excellent blend of youth and experience with people from all possible fields.
And before people categorise me as an lecturer , and asking me to go and do it on my own ( which in n e case i am going to do ), let me say that not everybody is a leader and there are plenty who are followers. I think a dynamical model of growth for our community should be churning out leaders from here and asking them to involve all those follwers and do something constructive.
I hope Satyeshwar will come out with a plan regarding the same. I am always ready for my little contributions.
Regards,
Anil

[vijay]

ha ha ha ... bhaiyo tum te sare iss chore ke pache lag liye ... ha ha ....

Kuchek baat Vijay bhai ne theek kahi hein jaise thread ki disha badalna .... using bad words and rude lang .... but I dont agree with Vijay on the mod function on this ..... maine pahele bhi ek thread likha tha mods ke liye ....
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21071

Aur mujhe lagta hai ki jo bhi mods hein wo ek bahut keemti waqt de rahe hein iss site ko .... and we should appreciate that ... perhaps they are not earning of this job .... its voluntary .... why not out of us come forward to accept it if we think that there are some issues. Vijay you can also be one of them. We will welcome you.

Mod banane se sirf aadmi apni person hatred badhata hai iss site pe ... mujhe to yahi lagta hai ... .... Please dont target them ,.... I remember Sumit sehrawat used some discontented words once but then I asked him to try once to check if mods are listening or not ... he tried and now the result is that we are having a separate Sports forum here to discuss for sports.

So bhai Vijay .... dont get dis-heartened ... try try again and am sure that the mods are not deaf here ... i have severally contacted them and they have replied me back ... though sometimes I found their replies not pleasing to me as they are not my expectations ... but when I look at them impartially they might be right from their angle ... will write about one incident in a separate thread.

But I request members too .... not to get personal if Vijay have quoted silently something ... as this will increase the gaps only and not convince the other with strong words. He is most active member and may differ in his thoughts but by our polite replies too he can find the conclusions.

Jitu Bhai ...... Thanx for your nice and constructive thoughts.

The way you replied here I can easily guess that you read my post carefully before commenting unlike few others :)

Just like you i always use to say that being a mod is almost a thankless job by default inspite of all the efforts they put up here literally.

I always tried to help mods/admins at any level since last two years ( I bet even Satyeshwar would like to agree on this ). I remember the incident couple of months back when a female member was banned due to some reasons and the same guys who are praising mods like anything else were firing at their best to accuse the mods with all their 'nice language' while i tried my best to calm them down and think about the facts instead of vomiting the venom at someone without any specific reason. I am not changed now and neither my thinking changed about people here.

I have friendly vibes with all the mods at Jatland till date and there is no reason that i start firing at them instantly without any reason.

My only concern by posting this thread is all about the quality of the content at Jatland. Unfortunately/fortunately mods are the basic pillers of our Jatland and obviously that's why they seems to be inclusive in every wrong or right.

Please correct me if i am wrong anywhere !
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[sunitahooda]

Devender....don't those RED selected words sond like a POLITE request???? Or even if they dont sound like it should ACTUALLY sound then is being ABUSIVE the only action left? I feel someone will always be abusive when he/she wants to be irrespective of polite refusals/requests made not to chat in PM. I myself, like to chat to 10-15 members or all present in CHAUPAL when i click on "CHAT" but i'm pestered sooooooooooooooooooooooo much that its inexplicable. There are very well behaved members too who would patiently REGARD my wish n wait until i want to talk in private or simple be happy with my decision. But again ONLY HE WILL INSULT WHO HAS TO INSULT:) Its nothing new when people created FAKE IDs n bang on to pin point/back bite n INSULT this way or that way BUT I STILL SOMEHOW APPRECIATE THE HONEST N TRUE EXPRESSION OF AGGRESSION RATHER THAN LIKE SOME MEMBERS SHOWING N TRYING BEING GREAT N DAMAGING AN IMAGE OF MEMBERS"INDIRECTLY"Particularly when that member is AWAY from JL for months....Last but not the least WHY ONLY A FEMALE SHOULD KNOW HOW TO IGNORE????WHY CANT A MALE KNOW "HOW TO BEHAVE" and treat the female members if NOT EXACTLY like their MOTHERS N SISTERS BUT ATLEAST "JUST AS A WOMEN" AN INDIVIDUAL AND A HUMANBEING....If so happens then Vijay n even me wont have to WASTE our time on writing and TYPING such THREADS:(:(

As mentioned by Mukesh and advocated by Mr Tewatia i too feel its members responsibility too. I have noticed a lot of time in chaupal that female members saying NO PM PLEASE. Why do they do that ? Cant they simply ignore them ? When they say even a single word the guy becomes more curious and attracted towards her. The best way is to keep silence and igone him and intimate the mods abouth his filthy and raunchy language, if he uses. Other members also shud not keep silence that time. They shud pressurise him to use decent language and maintain the decorum. But it hardly happens. So, blaming moderators for everything is very incorrect.

[mukeshkumar007]

quality quality quality quality quality !!!!!!! :(:mad::(:(

yaro har ki pasand ka thread mil jata hai choupal maie.. current affair maie aur general talk maie badi sari list padi hai quality threads ki jo bechare replies ka wait kar rehi hai.. weha kyo nai karte phir .. karo jitna quality of threads jisko dalne hai weha dalo aur karo reply...

ab yaar aap log un sunne but ache threads maie reply bi nai karte hoo aur quality quality quality chilate rehte hai.. koi matlab wali baat nai huwi yeh to.. :-)

ab aap log yeh chahte ho ki time pass aur humour section maie quality of threads dale to bhai .. yeh to bhot bada joke ho gaya...

aur kehi aisa na ho ki is quality ke chakar maie pure din jatland ko refres karte reh jaye aur ek bi post nai padne ko mile...

aur sare din bhar serious talk padh padh kar sar bi dukhne lag jata hai yaar. :D:D

[shweta123]

quality quality quality quality quality !!!!!!! :(:mad::(:(

yaro har ki pasand ka thread mil jata hai choupal maie.. current affair maie aur general talk maie badi sari list padi hai quality threads ki jo bechare replies ka wait kar rehi hai.. weha kyo nai karte phir .. karo jitna quality of threads jisko dalne hai weha dalo aur karo reply...

ab yaar aap log un sunne but ache threads maie reply bi nai karte hoo aur quality quality quality chilate rehte hai.. koi matlab wali baat nai huwi yeh to.. :-)

ab aap log yeh chahte ho ki time pass aur humour section maie quality of threads dale to bhai .. yeh to bhot bada joke ho gaya...

aur kehi aisa na ho ki is quality ke chakar maie pure din jatland ko refres karte reh jaye aur ek bi post nai padne ko mile...

aur sare din bhar serious talk padh padh kar sar bi dukhne lag jata hai yaar. :D:D


:p Sahi pakda Mukesh ......

If someone wants qualitative political discussion, there are numerous "Strictly Qualitative" sites. If someone wants to ponder seriously over deteriorating condition of our society, world & everything around (as per their opinion !) then there is no dearth of these informative and serious sites too and blah blah ...... But the point which I am not able to get is why they want to turn only 'this' site extremely informative, qualitative, sophisticated and all time logical when there are sites for persons with every kind of interests ! :o

This is 'Jatland' coz it intends to let the Jats have their talking - of all kinds!!

Now if the pasture of Jatland is not satiating someone's quest for qualitative and pragmatic knowledge then there are numerable options open. And in case they still wish this place to be ultra-informative then they can start their own pertinent discussions and whosoever wants to discuss the topic will automatically jump in na ! And let the polluters pollute the thread, you carry on with what you want from the thread ! How can someone care about all the passers by of a thread and why should it be done ? Let the fools talk, let the legends talk, let it go the way its going, just take out what you feel is pertinent!!

Though the point of ensuring that 'highly interrupting elements' must be put to some 'special care' is viable, but it must not be dragged in this manner every now and then.

Let the people talk freely, just ensure that there must not be 'personal allegations', 'highly indecent comments', 'repetitive misbehaviours' and the likes.

And let the moderators act like human and not as 'Omnipresent' or 'Robots' or 'kathputlees' :p

[brahmtewatia]

Jitu Bhai ...... Thanx for your nice and constructive thoughts.

The way you replied here I can easily guess that you read my post carefully before commenting unlike few others :)
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Please correct me if i am wrong anywhere !
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yes for sure i wud like to correct u here...vijay bhai.:)

yr aforesaid remarks are a clear pin-point to the fact, that the person who shares yr opinion is reading yr post carefully and the rest others are just a bunch of fatuous nuts or lunatics who r here, just to make their vacuous and absurd comments.http://www.jatland.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

please be apprised tht everyone here has posted his opinion and u must have a regard for those opinions, before making such irresponsible comment that drags every JATlander's perspective.

as rightly said by many fellow JATlanders its very easy to make comments and remarks...cos कहने में क्या जाता है, जुबान तो बगैर हड्डी की होती ह ै;):D
...however i really appreciate anil's comment of putting forward some real gud ideas....




And that is where i propose the idea of growing and looking at JatLand as a community and we must work for its growth and by growth i am not implying the number of members/posts/forums!
We should form teams with different expertise and assign tasks to team members and new members should be encouraged to join some of the teams.
And team work can range from anything like building / maintaining a database of books to helping out old people in the most rural parts of our country and of our community.
And do i need mention that we have plenty of resources for the same ?
We have an excellent blend of youth and experience with people from all possible fields.
And before people categorise me as an lecturer , and asking me to go and do it on my own ( which in n e case i am going to do ), let me say that not everybody is a leader and there are plenty who are followers. I think a dynamical model of growth for our community should be churning out leaders from here and asking them to involve all those follwers and do something constructive.
I hope Satyeshwar will come out with a plan regarding the same. I am always ready for my little contributions.
Regards,
Anil

[vijay]

yes for sure i wud like to correct u here...vijay bhai.:)

yr aforesaid remarks are a clear pin-point to the fact, that the person who shares yr opinion is reading yr post carefully and the rest others are just a bunch of fatuous nuts or lunatics who r here, just to make their vacuous and absurd comments.http://www.jatland.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

please be apprised tht everyone here has posted his opinion and u must have a regard for those opinions, before making such irresponsible comment that drags every JATlander's perspective.


Yes ... i said "unlike few others" but that doesn't mean "all the others" .... right ?

Just go through some posts here and analyze what they have to say. People seems to settle some personal scores instead of writing something about the topic of discussion. I hopw now you would agree with me that on this point of "unlike few others"

[sunitahooda]

did i tell u in the past " i sometimes think same way as u do":)which category i fell into?
Yes ... i said "unlike few others" but that doesn't mean "all the others" .... right ?

Just go through some posts here and analyze what they have to say. People seems to settle some personal scores instead of writing something about the topic of discussion. I hopw now you would agree with me that on this point of "unlike few others"

[vijay]

did i tell u in the past " i sometimes think same way as u do":)which category i fell into?

A personality speaks by itself and doesn't need any character certificate from anyone else. We people can only point out that i like this or that thing in someone's nature ..... and you have so many good things in you which i always liked and never hasitated to tell you at first hand :)

[brahmtewatia]

Yes ... i said "unlike few others" but that doesn't mean "all the others" .... right ?

Just go through some posts here and analyze what they have to say. People seems to settle some personal scores instead of writing something about the topic of discussion. I hopw now you would agree with me that on this point of "unlike few others"

u abs. rt there vijay bhai :)
...i guess (in fact, for sure) there is some history behind, wch i am totally unaware of...:confused:

[dkumars]

Devender....don't those RED selected words sond like a POLITE request???? Or even if they dont sound like it should ACTUALLY sound then is being ABUSIVE the only action left? I feel someone will always be abusive when he/she wants to be irrespective of polite refusals/requests made not to chat in PM. I myself, like to chat to 10-15 members or all present in CHAUPAL when i click on "CHAT" but i'm pestered sooooooooooooooooooooooo much that its inexplicable. There are very well behaved members too who would patiently REGARD my wish n wait until i want to talk in private or simple be happy with my decision. But again ONLY HE WILL INSULT WHO HAS TO INSULT:) Its nothing new when people created FAKE IDs n bang on to pin point/back bite n INSULT this way or that way BUT I STILL SOMEHOW APPRECIATE THE HONEST N TRUE EXPRESSION OF AGGRESSION RATHER THAN LIKE SOME MEMBERS SHOWING N TRYING BEING GREAT N DAMAGING AN IMAGE OF MEMBERS"INDIRECTLY"Particularly when that member is AWAY from JL for months....Last but not the least WHY ONLY A FEMALE SHOULD KNOW HOW TO IGNORE????WHY CANT A MALE KNOW "HOW TO BEHAVE" and treat the female members if NOT EXACTLY like their MOTHERS N SISTERS BUT ATLEAST "JUST AS A WOMEN" AN INDIVIDUAL AND A HUMANBEING....If so happens then Vijay n even me wont have to WASTE our time on writing and TYPING such THREADS:(:(


Nahi Sunita ji... shayad aap meri baat samajh nahi paayi. Mra khne ka matlab keval itna tha ki agar koi galat lang use karta hai toh best reply is kep silence. Woh 1 baar 2 baar 3baar 4 baar 5 baar likhega par fir khudh chup ho jaayega, jab usko lagega ki uski baaton ka aap par koi fark hi nahi padd raha hai. If u revert back with same filthy lang or even 'no pm plz' i feel he gets the next spark to continue his job. May be i m wrong but this is just a suggestion. I suppose it works. :)

Wasie aisa nahi hai ki sabhi aise hai. Bahut log hai jo femles ko izzat dete hai , tarike se baat karte hai par jo nahi hai unko change nahi kiya jaa sakta. Yaha jo topic utha hai woh mainly females par hai. Isliy main ye suggestion diya. Agar sab log sajh sakte ki kis se kaise baat karni hai aur tehjeeb kya hoti hai toh ye aise threads aur moderators ki shayad jaroorat hi naa padti.

[brahmtewatia]

Nahi Sunita ji... shayad aap meri baat samajh nahi paayi. Mra khne ka matlab keval itna tha ki agar koi galat lang use karta hai toh best reply is kep silence. Woh 1 baar 2 baar 3baar 4 baar 5 baar likhega par fir khudh chup ho jaayega, jab usko lagega ki uski baaton ka aap par koi fark hi nahi padd raha hai. If u revert back with same filthy lang or even 'no pm plz' i feel he gets the next spark to continue his job. May be i m wrong but this is just a suggestion. I suppose it works. :)

Wasie aisa nahi hai ki sabhi aise hai. Bahut log hai jo femles ko izzat dete hai , tarike se baat karte hai par jo nahi hai unko change nahi kiya jaa sakta. Yaha jo topic utha hai woh mainly females par hai. Isliy main ye suggestion diya. Agar sab log sajh sakte ki kis se kaise baat karni hai aur tehjeeb kya hoti hai toh ye aise threads aur moderators ki shayad jaroorat hi naa padti.

i'll go further to add...
...
"to err is human, to forgive is divine"
or better...
"to err is JATlander, to forgive is ladeej (with due respect) of JL" :D:rock

[anilsinghd]

:p Sahi pakda Mukesh ......

If someone wants qualitative political discussion, there are numerous "Strictly Qualitative" sites. If someone wants to ponder seriously over deteriorating condition of our society, world & everything around (as per their opinion !) then there is no dearth of these informative and serious sites too and blah blah ...... But the point which I am not able to get is why they want to turn only 'this' site extremely informative, qualitative, sophisticated and all time logical when there are sites for persons with every kind of interests ! :o

This is 'Jatland' coz it intends to let the Jats have their talking - of all kinds!!

Now if the pasture of Jatland is not satiating someone's quest for qualitative and pragmatic knowledge then there are numerable options open. And in case they still wish this place to be ultra-informative then they can start their own pertinent discussions and whosoever wants to discuss the topic will automatically jump in na ! And let the polluters pollute the thread, you carry on with what you want from the thread ! How can someone care about all the passers by of a thread and why should it be done ? Let the fools talk, let the legends talk, let it go the way its going, just take out what you feel is pertinent!!

Though the point of ensuring that 'highly interrupting elements' must be put to some 'special care' is viable, but it must not be dragged in this manner every now and then.

Let the people talk freely, just ensure that there must not be 'personal allegations', 'highly indecent comments', 'repetitive misbehaviours' and the likes.

And let the moderators act like human and not as 'Omnipresent' or 'Robots' or 'kathputlees' :p


Well Shweta , Moving towards quality , moving towards betterment is the essence of all human endeavours!
Your first set of instructions seem absurd in the wake of above concept.

For sure I am not against the fun part and infact it is absolutely essential to develop the bond between members , to develop a certain rapport with fellow people. And it satiates you as well.
But on an constructive note , it would be far better if we achieve something really good out of it. I always consider time as "the" biggest resource in life and if we are giving out time to this site , we should set our aims a lil higher than just coming and chatting and going. And quality is not defined as : political social discussions only. Please broaden your definition for the same. :)
With all the creative energies and the resprces we all have , there is just something better to be achieved. We must give it a shot ! Dont you think so ?

Regards,
Anil

[satyeshwar]

Moving forward I would still like to ask ( and i dont know a better guy than Satyeshwar to direct this to , so I expect him to answer me , infact i request him to answer me ) about the significance of moderators and the role they play in the community?

Are they only for reading up a few crap posts of people , take some actions and ban/unban and hand over warnings etc ? And for this stuff only?


And if the answer is yes , then I am very upset about it. We can always hire a guy who just has to look at all the post with a few rules and guidelines and he will do a good job !

By moderators , the implied name/role should be of community leaders and they have an responsibility of assuming the role of leaders for the members( For sure each member has the responsibility of taking the community as a whole forward).
I mean the caliber of guys like Satyeshwar should not be wasted for reading up some crap posts only which are never on the topic , not even by chance.
And that is where i propose the idea of growing and looking at JatLand as a community and we must work for its growth and by growth i am not implying the number of members/posts/forums!
We should form teams with different expertise and assign tasks to team members and new members should be encouraged to join some of the teams.
And team work can range from anything like building / maintaining a database of books to helping out old people in the most rural parts of our country and of our community.
And do i need mention that we have plenty of resources for the same ?
We have an excellent blend of youth and experience with people from all possible fields.
And before people categorise me as an lecturer , and asking me to go and do it on my own ( which in n e case i am going to do ), let me say that not everybody is a leader and there are plenty who are followers. I think a dynamical model of growth for our community should be churning out leaders from here and asking them to involve all those follwers and do something constructive.
I hope Satyeshwar will come out with a plan regarding the same. I am always ready for my little contributions.
Regards,
Anil

Hi Anil,
Your idea of having teams of people doing social work like helping out older people of our community is not a bad one. Moderators of this site have already promoted such social activities by giving members a platform to express their views upon. There is already a section called "Social Responsibility" here and members like Navin Gulia bhai are already making full use of it. We also have a "Social Group" platform where people can create any number of groups themselves.

Please feel free to create a very "hands on" group where people don't just talk about helping, they actually do. They should report on the status of their activities to others and encourage others to take initiative. Moderators will help out wherever they can.

However, keep one thing in mind. First and foremost, we need to maintain a level of sanity at our site and for that, we need to continue editing abusive posts, banning rogue members etc.

-Satyeshwar

[trueblueindian]

Hi Vijay,
You have asked a few unrelated questions and put them in a single thread. I am unsure whether to answer all of them or just address your main grievance against the moderators, so for now I will only address the latter as that seemed salient in your thread.

Moderators are supposed to largely leave the threads alone. Knit-picking every thread is typically not in anyone's interest and even if members feel like a large number of threads have been moderated in the past, you will be surprised that this number is a very small percentage of the total threads that have been posted.

Secondly, the male moderator that you have talked about in your thread is relatively new at being a moderator (doing his duty for the past 3 weeks only). He is learning when to be strict and when to be lenient and as I had posted in my thread introducing him, members need to allow him some time before he understands the nuances of moderatorship. I am sure when you joined your job, there was a certain training period involved, right? The same thing applies here.

Finally, I have said time and time again, Moderators cannot catch every culprit every single time. Believe it or not, we all have other jobs that we have to tend to as well. Members can either be helpful in catching those culprits by saving chat logs, reporting abusive threads etc. to the moderators, or they can blame the moderators for everything that goes wrong here. Also, keep one thing in mind. Just because you want someone banned because you think they said something invalid doesn't automatically mean that person will be banned. They will be given a fair chance to explain their side of the story and the right action will be taken after looking at all the evidence. We are not politicians, but we are not pawns either! :)
-Satyeshwar


couldn't be explained in a better way

let all of us respect the ppl who take out their valuable time and devote it here instead of focusing upon that the rest of us (10000 ppl) do in our daily lives ...

individual thoughts :

for me every single MOD (as we call them) has been help-full and none of my appeals got unheard or un noticed

maybe its attitude or its a mere co incidence ... all i can say is i enjoy every single moment on JL ....

good job guys ... letz keep it up


I wish there were more people who can come forward and thank the people who invest their valuable time by doing a thankless job ..

[ssindhu]

Well said Satyeshwar bhai.
But got one doubt...can't these chat logs be interpolated by the complainant (the Bhola Bhandari) and then reported to the moderators?

Baaki saari baat aapki ekdum theek.

Thanks...:)!

which dope u had when this pic was captured

[anilsinghd]

Hi Anil,
Your idea of having teams of people doing social work like helping out older people of our community is not a bad one. Moderators of this site have already promoted such social activities by giving members a platform to express their views upon. There is already a section called "Social Responsibility" here and members like Navin Gulia bhai are already making full use of it. We also have a "Social Group" platform where people can create any number of groups themselves.

Please feel free to create a very "hands on" group where people don't just talk about helping, they actually do. They should report on the status of their activities to others and encourage others to take initiative. Moderators will help out wherever they can.

However, keep one thing in mind. First and foremost, we need to maintain a level of sanity at our site and for that, we need to continue editing abusive posts, banning rogue members etc.

-Satyeshwar

Thanks a lot Satyeshwar for replying. I nowhere denied the importance of the task you people ( i mean the moderators ) have at hand and also the time and efforts you put in. My point was to slowly and surely transform your jobs into a overviewing kind of thing and passing on the responsibilities to others while assuming more important roles of assuming leadership of tasks that only people with caliber like you and other senior members can do. :)
I agree that the site has provided a platform but still believe there is lot that can be done and rather than providing just an platform for other "named" organisations which arise out of this , why cannot the parent itself be developed into an organisation which also has a work on the similar lines. I am sure there are enough people to guide it and by doing this , we would have a much greater appeal.
It sounds pretty revolutionary but i am very sure that if the senior members or the regular members are assigned tasks by the moderators and the more senior or the administrative guys , there is a greater sense of responsibility.

In an certain sense its like pushing people into the community work and i repeat it is not only about social works but cultural and entertainment related stuff as well.
I feel pity when amazing talents , people with such reserves of energy are not tapped.

I just hope that people wake up. And we can only look towards some of the senior guys and you to provide us the leadership in this regard.


( Just some personal thoughts ) !


Reagrds,
Anil

[trueblueindian]

Thanks a lot Satyeshwar for replying. I nowhere denied the importance of the task you people ( i mean the moderators ) have at hand and also the time and efforts you put in. My point was to slowly and surely transform your jobs into a overviewing kind of thing and passing on the responsibilities to others while assuming more important roles of assuming leadership of tasks that only people with caliber like you and other senior members can do. :)
I agree that the site has provided a platform but still believe there is lot that can be done and rather than providing just an platform for other "named" organisations which arise out of this , why cannot the parent itself be developed into an organisation which also has a work on the similar lines. I am sure there are enough people to guide it and by doing this , we would have a much greater appeal.
It sounds pretty revolutionary but i am very sure that if the senior members or the regular members are assigned tasks by the moderators and the more senior or the administrative guys , there is a greater sense of responsibility.

In an certain sense its like pushing people into the community work and i repeat it is not only about social works but cultural and entertainment related stuff as well.
I feel pity when amazing talents , people with such reserves of energy are not tapped.

I just hope that people wake up. And we can only look towards some of the senior guys and you to provide us the leadership in this regard.


( Just some personal thoughts ) !


Reagrds,
Anil


ahhhhh one of the most thought provoking replies ever read by me on JL

Anil every word stated above makes sense .... there couldn't be a better suggestion ..... after all delegation of authority is the best way to control things .... many thanks from my side on suggesting such a brilliant idea ... i hope admin takes this in spirits and does something upon ur idea in near future

[vijay]

Nice views Anil ......... and i am forced to comment here that quite a few posts on this thread are really appreciating about the subject under discussion and i really appreciate Satyeshwar's replies here in such a constructive manner.

Now, as Jatland had successfully provided such a nice platform for us at global level .... It's time for us to move ahead and make an impact.

[brahmtewatia]

I agree that the site has provided a platform but still believe there is lot that can be done and rather than providing just an platform for other "named" organisations which arise out of this , why cannot the parent itself be developed into an organisation which also has a work on the similar lines. I am sure there are enough people to guide it and by doing this , we would have a much greater appeal.
It sounds pretty revolutionary but i am very sure that if the senior members or the regular members are assigned tasks by the moderators and the more senior or the administrative guys , there is a greater sense of responsibility.

In an certain sense its like pushing people into the community work and i repeat it is not only about social works but cultural and entertainment related stuff as well.
I feel pity when amazing talents , people with such reserves of energy are not tapped.

I just hope that people wake up. And we can only look towards some of the senior guys and you to provide us the leadership in this regard.

( Just some personal thoughts ) !

Reagrds,
Anil


ahhhhh one of the most thought provoking replies ever read by me on JL

Anil every word stated above makes sense .... there couldn't be a better suggestion ..... after all delegation of authority is the best way to control things .... many thanks from my side on suggesting such a brilliant idea ... i hope admin takes this in spirits and does something upon ur idea in near future

Anil bhai, i m pretty sure, that since u hv given the suggestion, there is definitely something tht has been crawling steadily in your imagination. let this brainchild of yours, wch has been welcomed by quite a few ppl incl. me, transform into implementation.

i guess, all like minded JATlanders wud (...shud) stand tall to support u...that obviously includes our MOD's and it goes without mentioning that our elders hv to lead the way to our guidance... :)

"In the begining there was nothing and God said 'Let there be light', and there was still nothing but everybody could see it."

[mukeshkumar007]

And do i need mention that we have plenty of resources for the same ?
We have an excellent blend of youth and experience with people from all possible fields.
And before people categorise me as an lecturer , and asking me to go and do it on my own ( which in n e case i am going to do ), let me say that not everybody is a leader and there are plenty who are followers. I think a dynamical model of growth for our community should be churning out leaders from here and asking them to involve all those follwers and do something constructive.
I hope Satyeshwar will come out with a plan regarding the same. I am always ready for my little contributions.
Regards,
Anil

Jab bi kuch ground level par kuch karne ki discussion chalti hai to mujhe hansi hi ati hai :D:D… pata nai kyo.. :D:D

Bhai anil agar kuch karna hai to apne level par hi kar liyo.. tum yeh umeed kar rehe ho ki is site se aisa kuch ho jayega to bhai tu sachi maie din maie sapne dekh reha hai.. !! aisi discussion aur badi badi bate bhot baar ho chuki hai kai bar hawai plan bane hai.:D. lakin huwa kuch nai hai abi tak.. :D:D and lagta nai ki age bi kuch hojaga :cool::)

[ssgoyat]

sahi kaha mukesh bhai....


"aap bhala to jag bhala"

[brahmtewatia]

Jab bi kuch ground level par kuch karne ki discussion chalti hai to mujhe hansi hi ati hai :D… pata nai kyo.. :D

Bhai anil agar kuch karna hai to apne level par hi kar liyo.. tum yeh umeed kar rehe ho ki is site se aisa kuch ho jayega to bhai tu sachi maie din maie sapne dekh reha hai.. !! aisi discussion aur badi badi bate bhot baar ho chuki hai kai bar hawai plan bane hai.:D. lakin huwa kuch nai hai abi tak.. :D and lagta nai ki age bi kuch hojaga :cool::)


sahi kaha mukesh bhai....


"aap bhala to jag bhala"

bhai anil singh dalal...its time for implementation :)
...अब तो चने के झाड़ पे चढ़ना ही पड़ेगा :D:rock

...i wud like to repeat once again of what i said previously

[quote]
i guess, all like minded JATlanders wud (...shud) stand tall to support u...that obviously includes our MOD's and it goes without mentioning that our elders hv to lead the way to our guidance... :)

"In the begining there was nothing and God said 'Let there be light', and there was still nothing but everybody could see it."
[unquote]

[raj_rathee]

Hey Bhagwaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!!!
Pher wohe raagad!

[avesh]

sabki advice achi hai ab mai kaya bolu

[mukeshkumar007]

sabki advice achi hai ab mai kaya bolu

parsaad bol de tu :cool:

[anilsinghd]

Thanks Sandesh , Vijay and Brahm Ji for apprecaition but mere words cannot bring anything.

Thanks Mukesh for the much necessary criticism of the way we wish to implement out the things. As one of my great buddies Sumit Dalal says it : Its his critics who will take him to a higher and better self.


Ofcourse i understand the finer details of such things generally dying out in some time and regarding doing things on my own , well i already do it , so thats not an alternative to me.


Now coming to Brahm's comment , well offcourse , u caught it by neck. There are alrady a few things that are in my mind.

Well let me churn out the details and the intricacies involved ( only for the few that are interested enough ).

================================

It is not beyond us to form meaningful groups and choose some funtional areas to focus on. Everybody here is intelelctual enough to formulate work plans and action paths. We are all IT experts , and we have plenty of time on our hands. Time being one of the greatest resource should eventually solve all matters. Although we can hear many saying they are so busy in their lives but i truly and firmly believe that we do have time , the bottom line is that are we motivated enough for some social/cultural causes or not ?
And it is( will be ) never that we have to spend a great deal of time actually working on it.

I think it is more to do with the planning and we can always find workplaces close to where we live ( And so there are variety and plenty of things to work on ). And offcourse it is always not necessary to work on the ground level as well.

Well actual implementation detals can be finalised at a later stage in time.
But the motivation should be something like this:
( And this should answer the questions that why do i want the moderators and community leaders to be involved )!

1. We are a "lot" of members ( I am not sure of the exact regular members , but there seems to be no dearth of people .
2. Most of the regular members ( at least which i know personally ) are pretty interested in such activities. :
Let e try and enumerate a few ( And i apologise for not including and including as well , some one's name , just my personal views here )
Myself ,
Vijay ,
Brahm ,
Sandesh ,
Vikas Chaudhary ,
Sumit Sherawat ,
Sanjeet

And i am pretty sure , once we kick off , many more will join in because not all are initiative takers.

Besides we already a functional group of Navin Gulia ( Sunita Hooda and co ) and an upcoming group of Myself ( Meenakshi , Sumit Dalal and co -- in all like 10 people ).
Even if i assume a 50 % retention rate from these guys , we have abig bunch of people for a start.

3. The most important advantage is of sharing a common platform and having a common set of background values ( just need to dilute our personal egos ) ! I dont see people just vanishing ( at least not many , because they might be busy for moments but do come back to share their lives here ).


4. funding will not be an big issue as all of us are pretty well off and the kind of people we know ( through our personal , professional contacts should come handy ).

5. Diversity in the professions we are in should constructively help our ambitions.

6. There are people who have been sucessful in running and maintaining and creating organisations , people having 20-30 years of experience and plethora of knowledge from their own functional areas.
We only need prove to ourselves first and then kick off , people will always come in. I have not seen anyone refraining from such an opportunity , the only thing is that people dont actually know how to do such things.
and people expect a lot from themselves.

Do we need something else ? :)

[trueblueindian]

Thanks Sandesh , Vijay and Brahm Ji for apprecaition but mere words cannot bring anything.

Thanks Mukesh for the much necessary criticism of the way we wish to implement out the things. As one of my great buddies Sumit Dalal says it : Its his critics who will take him to a higher and better self.


Ofcourse i understand the finer details of such things generally dying out in some time and regarding doing things on my own , well i already do it , so thats not an alternative to me.


Now coming to Brahm's comment , well offcourse , u caught it by neck. There are alrady a few things that are in my mind.

Well let me churn out the details and the intricacies involved ( only for the few that are interested enough ).

================================

It is not beyond us to form meaningful groups and choose some funtional areas to focus on. Everybody here is intelelctual enough to formulate work plans and action paths. We are all IT experts , and we have plenty of time on our hands. Time being one of the greatest resource should eventually solve all matters. Although we can hear many saying they are so busy in their lives but i truly and firmly believe that we do have time , the bottom line is that are we motivated enough for some social/cultural causes or not ?
And it is( will be ) never that we have to spend a great deal of time actually working on it.

I think it is more to do with the planning and we can always find workplaces close to where we live ( And so there are variety and plenty of things to work on ). And offcourse it is always not necessary to work on the ground level as well.

Well actual implementation detals can be finalised at a later stage in time.
But the motivation should be something like this:
( And this should answer the questions that why do i want the moderators and community leaders to be involved )!

1. We are a "lot" of members ( I am not sure of the exact regular members , but there seems to be no dearth of people .
2. Most of the regular members ( at least which i know personally ) are pretty interested in such activities. :
Let e try and enumerate a few ( And i apologise for not including and including as well , some one's name , just my personal views here )
Myself ,
Vijay ,
Brahm ,
Sandesh ,
Vikas Chaudhary ,
Sumit Sherawat ,
Sanjeet

And i am pretty sure , once we kick off , many more will join in because not all are initiative takers.

Besides we already a functional group of Navin Gulia ( Sunita Hooda and co ) and an upcoming group of Myself ( Meenakshi , Sumit Dalal and co -- in all like 10 people ).
Even if i assume a 50 % retention rate from these guys , we have abig bunch of people for a start.

3. The most important advantage is of sharing a common platform and having a common set of background values ( just need to dilute our personal egos ) ! I dont see people just vanishing ( at least not many , because they might be busy for moments but do come back to share their lives here ).


4. funding will not be an big issue as all of us are pretty well off and the kind of people we know ( through our personal , professional contacts should come handy ).

5. Diversity in the professions we are in should constructively help our ambitions.

6. There are people who have been sucessful in running and maintaining and creating organisations , people having 20-30 years of experience and plethora of knowledge from their own functional areas.
We only need prove to ourselves first and then kick off , people will always come in. I have not seen anyone refraining from such an opportunity , the only thing is that people dont actually know how to do such things.
and people expect a lot from themselves.

Do we need something else ? :)

Dear anil thanks for sharing your valuable views and dreams ... i truly welcome and appreciate them and also at all times please find me there as a part of all (JAT) social causes at all times ..

further from your post i can sense that all you wish to do is --- for the community and thats also a dream shared by naveen bhai ( Jan Jagriti ) i agree there could be a certain amount of disagreement over the functioning as well but the effort has / had been noble and effective to an extent ..... though i would take the liberty and say that no social organization can ever be hijacked by an individual and the leadership of such an organization is always offered to the fittest (best suitable ) and by no means even the starter shall dream to own it --- navin bhai no offenses to you all is said to bring in the sanity of Jan Jagriti and your noble efforts but at the same time please be reminded of the the same in changing times ...please accept my love and respects before forming a opinion :)

i would propose a joint meeting / a brain storming session between the like minded people without PARDHANNI issues and let us come to a constructive conclusion and march ahead jointly instead of pin pointing individuals ... let us all be a FORCE ... i know and hope that navin bhai would allways be open for community upliftment related issues .... Anil your writing skills and your signatures speak enough about your capabilities and together we all can do something for our community ....

BHAI NAVIN AND ANIL THIS IS WITH TRUEST OF CONFIDENCE IN YOU BOTH .... i wish all like minded people work together............ after all our aim is to serve and not to be acknowledged or to be praised .... it all is a collective effort and lets bring more and more people ------ closer :)

and ANIL thanks for sharing my name in the list of wannabies ..... :) does that form a part of your so lovely 10 commandants :)

No where i ever meant that Anil had or has an issue with JJ, i used JJ and Navin bhai just to make sure that like minded people come closer and do a collective effort

[poonam]

Hey Bhagwaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!!!
Pher wohe raagad!

haha, yo raagad hat hat ke honta reh sae. Ye jeen na de JL ke admins er mods ne...:D

sorry guys ...carry on...per waise Col. Malik ki ek post thee, something abt the purpose of this site., I guess you all should read it ....I totally agree with him and kind of replica of my views as well for this site.

Could someone pls (DND sir?) paste the link here? main zara jaldi main hoon...;)

[raj_rathee]

Could someone pls (DND sir?) paste the link here? main zara jaldi main hoon...;)

:D DND sir toh aapne librarian bana diya...document toh ke lyaan tahin...:p

[brahmtewatia]

Thanks Sandesh , Vijay and Brahm Ji for apprecaition but mere words cannot bring anything.

************************
Now coming to Brahm's comment , well offcourse , u caught it by neck. There are alrady a few things that are in my mind.

Well let me churn out the details and the intricacies involved ( only for the few that are interested enough ).

================================
1. We are a "lot" of members ( I am not sure of the exact regular members , but there seems to be no dearth of people .
2. Most of the regular members ( at least which i know personally ) are pretty interested in such activities. :
Let e try and enumerate a few ( And i apologise for not including and including as well , some one's name , just my personal views here )
Myself ,
Vijay ,
Brahm ,
Sandesh ,
Vikas Chaudhary ,
Sumit Sherawat ,
Sanjeet

And i am pretty sure , once we kick off , many more will join in because not all are initiative takers.
:)


Dear anil thanks for sharing your valuable views and dreams ... i truly welcome and appreciate them and also at all times please find me there as a part of all (JAT) social causes at all times ..

********************
i would propose a joint meeting / a brain storming session between the like minded people without PARDHANNI issues and let us come to a constructive conclusion and march ahead jointly instead of pin pointing individuals ... let us all be a FORCE ... i know and hope that navin bhai would allways be open for community upliftment related issues .... Anil your writing skills and your signatures speak enough about your capabilities and together we all can do something for our community ....

BHAI NAVIN AND ANIL THIS IS WITH TRUEST OF CONFIDENCE IN YOU BOTH .... i wish all like minded people work together............ after all our aim is to serve and not to be acknowledged or to be praised .... it all is a collective effort and lets bring more and more people ------ closer :)

.
"The 1st step towards getting somewhere is to decide tht u r not goin' to stay where u are"

dear anil bhai, many thanks for showing tht confidence in me by adding my name, even more so to c my name in top 10 commandants...
...nd i'm really glad tht u've taken the bull by horn...
(in fact i know u frm MOD of JW nd admire yr patience nd handling of things by yr astute diplomacy nd sharp intellect...i precisely remember manan's case nd yr views on tht thread + other issues on JW...bhai ab chane ke jhaad pe mat chadh jaiyo :D:rock)

i second my views to bhai sandesh's idea of having a joint meeting/a brain storming session between the like minded people...having said so nd requesting anil/sandesh to procced further into the matter, i wud rqst all JATlender (like minded ppl) to add their names in the list...
1. Anil Singh
2. Vijay
3. Brahm
4. Sandesh
5. Vikas Chaudhary
6. Sumit Sherawat
7. Sanjeet
8.
9.
10......

...i wud like to repeat once again of what i said previously

[quote]
i guess, all like minded JATlanders wud (...shud) stand tall to support u...that obviously includes our MOD's and it goes without mentioning that our elders hv to lead the way to our guidance... :)

"In the begining there was nothing and God said 'Let there be light', and there was still nothing but everybody could see it."
[unquote]

[brahmtewatia]

a quote worth quoting from KALIDAS :)
...
Listen to the Exhortation of the Dawn!
Look to this Day!
For it is Life, the very Life of Life.
In its brief course lie all the
Verities and Realities of your Existence.
The Bliss of Growth,
The Glory of Action,
The Splendor of Beauty;
For Yesterday is but a Dream,
And To-morrow is only a Vision;
But To-day well lived makes
Every Yesterday a Dream of Happiness,
And every Tomorrow a Vision of Hope.
Look well therefore to this Day!
Such is the Salutation of the Dawn!

[anilsinghd]

Dear anil thanks for sharing your valuable views and dreams ... i truly welcome and appreciate them and also at all times please find me there as a part of all (JAT) social causes at all times ..

further from your post i can sense that all you wish to do is --- for the community and thats also a dream shared by naveen bhai ( Jan Jagriti ) i agree there could be a certain amount of disagreement over the functioning as well but the effort has / had been noble and effective to an extent ..... though i would take the liberty and say that no social organization can ever be hijacked by an individual and the leadership of such an organization is always offered to the fittest (best suitable ) and by no means even the starter shall dream to own it --- navin bhai no offenses to you all is said to bring in the sanity of Jan Jagriti and your noble efforts but at the same time please be reminded of the the same in changing times ...please accept my love and respects before forming a opinion :)

i would propose a joint meeting / a brain storming session between the like minded people without PARDHANNI issues and let us come to a constructive conclusion and march ahead jointly instead of pin pointing individuals ... let us all be a FORCE ... i know and hope that navin bhai would allways be open for community upliftment related issues .... Anil your writing skills and your signatures speak enough about your capabilities and together we all can do something for our community ....

BHAI NAVIN AND ANIL THIS IS WITH TRUEST OF CONFIDENCE IN YOU BOTH .... i wish all like minded people work together............ after all our aim is to serve and not to be acknowledged or to be praised .... it all is a collective effort and lets bring more and more people ------ closer :)

and ANIL thanks for sharing my name in the list of wannabies ..... :) does that form a part of your so lovely 10 commandants :)

No where i ever meant that Anil had or has an issue with JJ, i used JJ and Navin bhai just to make sure that like minded people come closer and do a collective effort


M in a hurry , so just a quick reply :

I have met Navin and have had discussions with him and we converge and already i am a part of his plans and his current workings. I was not suggesting to do something apart from JJ or to have something totally novel. I am just suggesting that even for JJ , we are not fostering enough support and all the people who hold strategic inmportance like the moderators and the senior members here should consider this opportunity to offer their wisdom adn the resources they have at their hand to contribute in some good causes for humanity at large.

Ofcourse JJ can be a good starting point and Navin is doing a fine job , so we can start off by giving him ample support.

:)

[trueblueindian]

M in a hurry , so just a quick reply :

I have met Navin and have had discussions with him and we converge and already i am a part of his plans and his current workings. I was not suggesting to do something apart from JJ or to have something totally novel. I am just suggesting that even for JJ , we are not fostering enough support and all the people who hold strategic inmportance like the moderators and the senior members here should consider this opportunity to offer their wisdom adn the resources they have at their hand to contribute in some good causes for humanity at large.

Ofcourse JJ can be a good starting point and Navin is doing a fine job , so we can start off by giving him ample support.

:)

well thats the best thing ... and i wrote all that just because of the reason that time and again people have been raising their doubts on JJ .. without even doing anything for the cause or least without even taking the pains to go on ground and see the effort going on...


Ofcourse JJ can be a good starting point and Navin is doing a fine job , so we can start off by giving him ample support.

this is wot i meant when i proposed to have a joint meeting ... though didnt knew the developments at your and .... one imp thing is there's no point in duplicacey of things all willing should contribute to the existing system and if some one has a noble thought / opinion i am pretty sure Navin bhai and team (even i am a part of that team though not putting in my efforts these days) has a pair of open ears and he is allways open to ideas

[jitendershooda]

further from your post i can sense that all you wish to do is --- for the community and thats also a dream shared by naveen bhai ( Jan Jagriti ) i agree there could be a certain amount of disagreement over the functioning as well but the effort has / had been noble and effective to an extent ..... though i would take the liberty and say that no social organization can ever be hijacked by an individual and the leadership of such an organization is always offered to the fittest (best suitable ) and by no means even the starter shall dream to own it --- navin bhai no offenses to you all is said to bring in the sanity of Jan Jagriti and your noble efforts but at the same time please be reminded of the the same in changing times ...please accept my love and respects before forming a opinion :)
.....

No where i ever meant that Anil had or has an issue with JJ, i used JJ and Navin bhai just to make sure that like minded people come closer and do a collective effort

Bhai Sandesh ye upar aali do baat samajh mein na aai kati mere ..... can you please elaborate a little.

Good thoughts Anil carry on.

[trueblueindian]

Bhai Sandesh ye upar aali do baat samajh mein na aai kati mere ..... can you please elaborate a little.

Good thoughts Anil carry on.


well thats the best thing ... and i wrote all that just because of the reason that time and again people have been raising their doubts on JJ .. without even doing anything for the cause or least without even taking the pains to go on ground and see the effort going on...


Ofcourse JJ can be a good starting point and Navin is doing a fine job , so we can start off by giving him ample support.

this is wot i meant when i proposed to have a joint meeting ... though didnt knew the developments at your and .... one imp thing is there's no point in duplicacey of things all willing should contribute to the existing system and if some one has a noble thought / opinion i am pretty sure Navin bhai and team (even i am a part of that team though not putting in my efforts these days) has a pair of open ears and he is allways open to ideas



couldn't be explained in a better way

let all of us respect the ppl who take out their valuable time and devote it here instead of focusing upon that the rest of us (10000 ppl) do in our daily lives ...

individual thoughts :

for me every single MOD (as we call them) has been help-full and none of my appeals got unheard or un noticed

maybe its attitude or its a mere co incidence ... all i can say is i enjoy every single moment on JL ....

good job guys ... letz keep it up


I wish there were more people who can come forward and thank the people who invest their valuable time by doing a thankless job ..


ahhhhh one of the most thought provoking replies ever read by me on JL

Anil every word stated above makes sense .... there couldn't be a better suggestion ..... after all delegation of authority is the best way to control things .... many thanks from my side on suggesting such a brilliant idea ... i hope admin takes this in spirits and does something upon ur idea in near future


Dear anil thanks for sharing your valuable views and dreams ... i truly welcome and appreciate them and also at all times please find me there as a part of all (JAT) social causes at all times ..

further from your post i can sense that all you wish to do is --- for the community and thats also a dream shared by naveen bhai ( Jan Jagriti ) i agree there could be a certain amount of disagreement over the functioning as well but the effort has / had been noble and effective to an extent ..... though i would take the liberty and say that no social organization can ever be hijacked by an individual and the leadership of such an organization is always offered to the fittest (best suitable ) and by no means even the starter shall dream to own it --- navin bhai no offenses to you all is said to bring in the sanity of Jan Jagriti and your noble efforts but at the same time please be reminded of the the same in changing times ...please accept my love and respects before forming a opinion :)

i would propose a joint meeting / a brain storming session between the like minded people without PARDHANNI issues and let us come to a constructive conclusion and march ahead jointly instead of pin pointing individuals ... let us all be a FORCE ... i know and hope that navin bhai would allways be open for community upliftment related issues .... Anil your writing skills and your signatures speak enough about your capabilities and together we all can do something for our community ....

BHAI NAVIN AND ANIL THIS IS WITH TRUEST OF CONFIDENCE IN YOU BOTH .... i wish all like minded people work together............ after all our aim is to serve and not to be acknowledged or to be praised .... it all is a collective effort and lets bring more and more people ------ closer :)

and ANIL thanks for sharing my name in the list of wannabies ..... :) does that form a part of your so lovely 10 commandants :)

No where i ever meant that Anil had or has an issue with JJ, i used JJ and Navin bhai just to make sure that like minded people come closer and do a collective effort


Bhai jitender please read between the lines and then also if you have a doubt please msg the same details i would love to sort out the confusion at your end

bhai apni tae aek aae koshis sei akkk sarrey bhai milma reheve ... hope u get that .. :)

[jagmohan]

haha, yo raagad hat hat ke honta reh sae. Ye jeen na de JL ke admins er mods ne...:D

sorry guys ...carry on...per waise Col. Malik ki ek post thee, something abt the purpose of this site., I guess you all should read it ....I totally agree with him and kind of replica of my views as well for this site.

Could someone pls (DND sir?) paste the link here? main zara jaldi main hoon...;)

Dr Sahiba,

Here is the post, posted 26 Apr 2006.

"It is true that not very many members participate regularly. I can’t guess a reason as people are free to do what they like. Number of posts is by no means an indicator of one’s sincerity or otherwise. Members who have written less posts are also well meaning. In the end we are all human beings. Some feel that their responsibility is complete after writing while others may not write but believe in DOING. And there may be some who feel there is no point in wasting time here as every meaningful discussion meets an unceremonious end on the 'Alter of Egos'. May be that is one reason why some good individuals have gone away or don't post any more.

Personally speaking, I feel that this site is a meeting ground for like-minded people. A place to feel the pulse of our younger generation and vice versa and appreciate as to where are we moving. I don’t treat it anything more than that. May be some of us would end up learning few positives from each other along the way. It is quite possible that some of us already know each other and may be related too. I hope some end up being related through this forum. In my understanding I don't think the aim of this website is to mitigate the problems of JAT community.

Sometimes one is not happy with the way the other member has commented. Let it go. It is advisable to move on in life rather than waste time in small things. Why do we want to test others? Who are we to test others? A mantra that has been taught to us by our elders that has stood the test of time is “Karam Kare Ja”. Period. If one feels very strongly about an issue please go ahead and discuss it.

Lastly, it is an individual's perception how to utilise this forum. I for one have been able to interact and meet some wonderful people through this forum. I laugh reading 'Desi' jokes and enjoy the occasional banter and leg pulling that goes on in good humor. Sometimes I feel sorry for people who don't want to see reason. Well, it is their life. But I am sure of one thing. I am never going to just stop contributing, come what may. I shall keep putting across my points as polietly as I possibly can."

Warm regards,

JS Malik

[spdeshwal]

That is what exactly I feel about this site!
I may not be wrong if I say that this site is the single most important networking link among Jats world over. For this reason specially we should be grateful to Nitin and his Team
Thanks Colonel Saheb for re-posting your views here!



Cheers!

[poonam]

Thanks a million Col. Malik for re-posting this. Lemme confess , I'm your biggest fan ...hope to meet you someday..:)


Dr Sahiba,

Here is the post, posted 26 Apr 2006.

"It is true that not very many members participate regularly. I can’t guess a reason as people are free to do what they like. Number of posts is by no means an indicator of one’s sincerity or otherwise. Members who have written less posts are also well meaning. In the end we are all human beings. Some feel that their responsibility is complete after writing while others may not write but believe in DOING. And there may be some who feel there is no point in wasting time here as every meaningful discussion meets an unceremonious end on the 'Alter of Egos'. May be that is one reason why some good individuals have gone away or don't post any more.

Personally speaking, I feel that this site is a meeting ground for like-minded people. A place to feel the pulse of our younger generation and vice versa and appreciate as to where are we moving. I don’t treat it anything more than that. May be some of us would end up learning few positives from each other along the way. It is quite possible that some of us already know each other and may be related too. I hope some end up being related through this forum. In my understanding I don't think the aim of this website is to mitigate the problems of JAT community.

Sometimes one is not happy with the way the other member has commented. Let it go. It is advisable to move on in life rather than waste time in small things. Why do we want to test others? Who are we to test others? A mantra that has been taught to us by our elders that has stood the test of time is “Karam Kare Ja”. Period. If one feels very strongly about an issue please go ahead and discuss it.

Lastly, it is an individual's perception how to utilise this forum. I for one have been able to interact and meet some wonderful people through this forum. I laugh reading 'Desi' jokes and enjoy the occasional banter and leg pulling that goes on in good humor. Sometimes I feel sorry for people who don't want to see reason. Well, it is their life. But I am sure of one thing. I am never going to just stop contributing, come what may. I shall keep putting across my points as polietly as I possibly can."

Warm regards,

JS Malik

[delhione]

what is this going on???????.....
i mean, if you have a correct map and correct dirsection then you can reach to the Mt. Everest, from the place where you are siiting right now.... and that too by just walking...
so people be focussed and articulate , instead of taking one thing out of another and generating one another's interest......
that you can do in personal mails and meetings....

[anilsinghd]

"It is true that not very many members participate regularly. I can’t guess a reason as people are free to do what they like. Number of posts is by no means an indicator of one’s sincerity or otherwise. Members who have written less posts are also well meaning. In the end we are all human beings. Some feel that their responsibility is complete after writing while others may not write but believe in DOING. And there may be some who feel there is no point in wasting time here as every meaningful discussion meets an unceremonious end on the 'Alter of Egos'. May be that is one reason why some good individuals have gone away or don't post any more.

Personally speaking, I feel that this site is a meeting ground for like-minded people. A place to feel the pulse of our younger generation and vice versa and appreciate as to where are we moving. I don’t treat it anything more than that. May be some of us would end up learning few positives from each other along the way. It is quite possible that some of us already know each other and may be related too. I hope some end up being related through this forum. In my understanding I don't think the aim of this website is to mitigate the problems of JAT community.

Sometimes one is not happy with the way the other member has commented. Let it go. It is advisable to move on in life rather than waste time in small things. Why do we want to test others? Who are we to test others? A mantra that has been taught to us by our elders that has stood the test of time is “Karam Kare Ja”. Period. If one feels very strongly about an issue please go ahead and discuss it.

Lastly, it is an individual's perception how to utilise this forum. I for one have been able to interact and meet some wonderful people through this forum. I laugh reading 'Desi' jokes and enjoy the occasional banter and leg pulling that goes on in good humor. Sometimes I feel sorry for people who don't want to see reason. Well, it is their life. But I am sure of one thing. I am never going to just stop contributing, come what may. I shall keep putting across my points as polietly as I possibly can."

Warm regards,

JS Malik


That is what exactly I feel about this site!
I may not be wrong if I say that this site is the single most important networking link among Jats world over. For this reason specially we should be grateful to Nitin and his Team
Thanks Colonel Saheb for re-posting your views here!
Cheers!


Thanks from my side as well for re-bringing the post. Great views !!! Succintly put down as well.

Offcourse we should be happy about the platform we have at hand. :) But at the same time , we should not be satisfied with only having the platform and doing what has been achieved thus far. Craving for good is not that bad.

A very valid point from the post is that there have been attrition ( and that may be attributed to a variety of factors including clash of egos at some point of time , a feeling of sameness of the forum etc ).

I am no expert to comment on psychology but we learn that the human needs fall into a hierarchy( Maslow etc .. ) and they grow over time and we move from one domain to another as we fulfill one level.

My idea for making things to move on is based on this theory only. If we keep on doing newer things , we will be creative enough to hold people.
the time we spend here or somewhere else ( after being bored from this forum ) can be creatively utilized for better works.
Not only i am hypothesising that the responsible people can be better utilized but also i am saying that if we create a system , a school of thaught , a working organisation or community amongst ourselves , we will be attracting new people and will be able to hold more.

With collective efforts we can achieve more and that feeliing of achievemnt can be taken into our personal lives. And it is not only about doing a particular social work at a particular place but many other things. Just for an example : If we manage to set up a fund among ourselves , we can help someone from among us only at some point in life.

Somewhere comes across a feeling that i ( i think "we" is a better word here , because my thoughts are equally recognised by some others and so in that sense i am writing on behalf of those few as well :))am kind of forcing people into doing something. Very personally let me clarify that YES , I am trying to. And the reason is very simple. Not only i am looking at the growth of the activities "WE" ( and we refers to the intended audience and the intended speakers ) will be doing but also it will contribute to the development of the inner self of each involved.

Imagine a situation where a leadership act or an successfully managed work at this forum gives someone the confidence of taking initiatives in his/her profession and turns his/her professional life more active and better managed. :)

As very meticulously observed in the post , the forum also serves as an connector between two persons , two families and much more. Once we se t up tasks and work like a team , it is bound to increase the personal rapport between the members and ultimately will be a major factor in bringing down the egoes and will lead to less incidents of clashes in turn reducing the workload of the Moderators.

Dont we see small sub-groups in which the memmbers do make personal comments and that too pretty nasty ones but only because of the bond they share among themselves , they are imune to each other's words and infact enjoy it to the core. So working on a mutual and common goal , working in tandem , working as a unit will increase the personal interactions and will cultivate a feeling of "TEAM".

I might be wrong but i firmly believe that once we start ( and we must not set high goals for the start) and carry on for some time , sustaining the efforts of ours , we would be doing pretty good.


Taking the subject line of the thread , I openly invite all seniors and moderators and others to seriously think on these lines , it is something like scaling for me in technical terms , with our little efforts and scaling of the same , i.e. leveraging our efforts , we can achieve a lot.
Please consider these things seriously. Each one has to contribute. Let us all get involved. :)



And may i request Navin to substantiate with his perosnal opinion from both perspectives of JJ and neutral from JJ. Also may he highlight the kind of relations that have come across to him personally while doing works for JJ. By revealing his experience he might be able to motivate people who are in an 'if-fy' kind of situation.

And obvious reasons for asking moderators and senior members to get involved is that have a bigger appeal and they have a larger and an "concentrated"( mods ki baat to dhyaan se sunni hi padegi , na sunenge to ban lag jaayega ;)) audience.

It might take time , but it should come . That is what i believe.

[dkumars]

Thanks from my side as well for re-bringing the post. Great views !!! Succintly put down as well.

Offcourse we should be happy about the platform we have at hand. :) But at the same time , we should not be satisfied with only having the platform and doing what has been achieved thus far. Craving for good is not that bad.

A very valid point from the post is that there have been attrition ( and that may be attributed to a variety of factors including clash of egos at some point of time , a feeling of sameness of the forum etc ).

I am no expert to comment on psychology but we learn that the human needs fall into a hierarchy( Maslow etc .. ) and they grow over time and we move from one domain to another as we fulfill one level.

My idea for making things to move on is based on this theory only. If we keep on doing newer things , we will be creative enough to hold people.
the time we spend here or somewhere else ( after being bored from this forum ) can be creatively utilized for better works.
Not only i am hypothesising that the responsible people can be better utilized but also i am saying that if we create a system , a school of thaught , a working organisation or community amongst ourselves , we will be attracting new people and will be able to hold more.

With collective efforts we can achieve more and that feeliing of achievemnt can be taken into our personal lives. And it is not only about doing a particular social work at a particular place but many other things. Just for an example : If we manage to set up a fund among ourselves , we can help someone from among us only at some point in life.

Somewhere comes across a feeling that i ( i think "we" is a better word here , because my thoughts are equally recognised by some others and so in that sense i am writing on behalf of those few as well :))am kind of forcing people into doing something. Very personally let me clarify that YES , I am trying to. And the reason is very simple. Not only i am looking at the growth of the activities "WE" ( and we refers to the intended audience and the intended speakers ) will be doing but also it will contribute to the development of the inner self of each involved.

Imagine a situation where a leadership act or an successfully managed work at this forum gives someone the confidence of taking initiatives in his/her profession and turns his/her professional life more active and better managed. :)

As very meticulously observed in the post , the forum also serves as an connector between two persons , two families and much more. Once we se t up tasks and work like a team , it is bound to increase the personal rapport between the members and ultimately will be a major factor in bringing down the egoes and will lead to less incidents of clashes in turn reducing the workload of the Moderators.

Dont we see small sub-groups in which the memmbers do make personal comments and that too pretty nasty ones but only because of the bond they share among themselves , they are imune to each other's words and infact enjoy it to the core. So working on a mutual and common goal , working in tandem , working as a unit will increase the personal interactions and will cultivate a feeling of "TEAM".

I might be wrong but i firmly believe that once we start ( and we must not set high goals for the start) and carry on for some time , sustaining the efforts of ours , we would be doing pretty good.


Taking the subject line of the thread , I openly invite all seniors and moderators and others to seriously think on these lines , it is something like scaling for me in technical terms , with our little efforts and scaling of the same , i.e. leveraging our efforts , we can achieve a lot.
Please consider these things seriously. Each one has to contribute. Let us all get involved. :)



And may i request Navin to substantiate with his perosnal opinion from both perspectives of JJ and neutral from JJ. Also may he highlight the kind of relations that have come across to him personally while doing works for JJ. By revealing his experience he might be able to motivate people who are in an 'if-fy' kind of situation.

And obvious reasons for asking moderators and senior members to get involved is that have a bigger appeal and they have a larger and an "concentrated"( mods ki baat to dhyaan se sunni hi padegi , na sunenge to ban lag jaayega ;)) audience.

It might take time , but it should come . That is what i believe.


It might take time , but it should come . That is what i believe too.

Fully agreed and with you buddy.

[anilsinghd]

Quoting from Mr. Malik :

"Some feel that their responsibility is complete after writing while others may not write but believe in DOING. "


to all those who feel that they wish to DO rather than write , let us work towards extablishing such a thing.

I think Adaa/ Jan-Jagriti is good enough for a start. I myself have decided to work in close proximities with Navin for such a cause.

I am pretty open for other kinds of suggestions as well.

I myself head up a unit performing in Delhi ( taking up tasks for guiding the orphan children going to govt schools in their career and academic upliftment ).

So opportunities to work are plenty. It just depends on us whether we really like to do soemthing or not.

I humbly request moderators , seniior members and all regular members to join in. Contribution on all levels ( physical , financial , planning ) can and should be there.


the Jatland team can physically go and monitor the allocation of resources and advise regarding the same.

Vijay , Satyeshwar , Brahm , Devender , Jitneder , Sandesh , Sumit , Shweta , Maniisha , Rainu , all mods , senior members , please come forward.

One of my friends , mentors told me of his vision :

4 movie tickets a month , thats all we should spare for getting a child everything he/she requires.

Can we be selfish enough to let the child go and we go and watch movies ?


LEt me also ask NAvin again to present his ideas on the same !:)

[sumitsehrawat]

Hi all,

First of all let me thank Anil for this wake-up call. Like all, I too appreciate his sincerity in this matter.

As far as my association is concerned I see myself working along with Jan-Jagriti in the near future. On a personal level I have been following up http://www.janjagriti.com/ with all my earnestness. Not that I am questioning other similar-cause organizations...just that I am not particularly aware of them. Like Jan-Jagriti, I too believe "Education is the only solution to all problems in our society".

It is my inherent desire to do something for people (children and old) who are not as privileged as us. And, I am sure I am not alone here. I know many people from Jatland have already started the noble work, at the same time I also know that many more (including me) are yet to join. We must come forward. This is an opportunity to help the needy. Why are we shying away from it? Let's come forward and do something that brings about a positive change in someone's life. All we have to do is to provide a little assistance to the impoverished and we can do that. We have been very fortunate to have taken birth in a family where we don't really have to think twice before buying food for ourselves. Let's appreciate God's kindness by helping people who have been less rosy. Jats, for ages, have been warmhearted... we all too are. Let's unite for this cause.

Its being a while I am out of my Delhi. I am planning to meet up Navin bhai during my next trip to back home (later half of June) and am pretty sure I shall not be going alone. We don't really want to see this http://www.bhookh.com/ .... do we??? Let's unite and do something... something very little for them. A helping hand is all they want and we are game....aren't we?

Let's do something about it...religiously.

Thanks....!!

[navingulia]

1. Talking and doing are different ball games. How many of us want to break the gap?
2. We all have visions, we all want to be a Gandhi, we all want to bring about a revolution, a kranti.........and before that we dont want to do anything.

We should do whatever little we can, where ever we can and in whatever small ways we can, rather than waiting for the greater good that we always intend to do but never end up doing.

Contribute in any small way you can and if you cannot then atleast contribute positive energy and enthusiasm to the effort and if not even that then atleast dont destroy the effort by casting doubts in public.

Nothing will give me more pleasure then to see many many people contributing and working towards social welfare.

As for contributing towards adaa/jj , the website www.adaa.in has all details and i invite anyone to visit the project anytime.

positive contribution, is the key

[trueblueindian]

1. Talking and doing are different ball games. How many of us want to break the gap?
2. We all have visions, we all want to be a Gandhi, we all want to bring about a revolution, a kranti.........and before that we dont want to do anything.

We should do whatever little we can, where ever we can and in whatever small ways we can, rather than waiting for the greater good that we always intend to do but never end up doing.

Contribute in any small way you can and if you cannot then atleast contribute positive energy and enthusiasm to the effort and if not even that then atleast dont destroy the effort by casting doubts in public.

Nothing will give me more pleasure then to see many many people contributing and working towards social welfare.

As for contributing towards adaa/jj , the website www.adaa.in (http://www.adaa.in) has all details and i invite anyone to visit the project anytime.

positive contribution, is the key


nice and fine .... so wot shall be future plans

not asking this from bhai but from rest of us including me ----

also one IMP thing - i offered help in terms of registration and funding from govt. also help from NYKS and this was voiced out loud and clear but no one gave a ear to that .... and that was sad ... this was the point of time when i LOST MY INTEREST in the effort

today same bureaucrats are'nt there ... wot a sorry situation --- (before someone asks to re initiate that process)

[anilsinghd]

Hi sumit ,

thanks for coming forward . I am happy that at least few read and are willing to contribute.
@ Navin :

Thanks Navin for the Input.

Yes , we can do our lil bit. as promised during our meeting, I have sent you my contributions ( 1 K per month for period : April , may , june , july ,august 2008 ). It should be there in a couple of days.
Also any contributions which i can do online work , please tell me , I am working on the presentations things.

Please elaborate on any plans u have for the guys who have come forward , like Brahm , Devender , Sabdesh , Sumit , Myself and others.

@ Sandesh : Bhai , we should see this work as self - actualisation , so we should judge ourselves and satisfaction is purely ours and same goes for appreciation , Appreciate yourself and thats it !

Hope many will come forward.

@ Sumit : Theres a lot to do while still not being in Delhi , Please follow up with Navin on this more !

[anilsinghd]

Was reading the thread " accountability of moderators/editors "

Thats what you call a classic example of " Wastage of Human Energy " !

[navingulia]

@Sandesh, Bhai Sandesh, i know it is discouraging whe things dont work out. But as an individual it is not possible for me to do all home work. So, if you feel there are areas/directions you can help in, you will have to take on all the homework relating to it, which could involve studying the need, making plans, preparing proposals and paper work.

@sumit, Devender and Brahm - you can spread the word about adaa over the internet. Get maximum people to contribute in small ways.

We will have to take on some tasks fully.

Regards
Navin

[dkumars]

@Sandesh, Bhai Sandesh, i know it is discouraging whe things dont work out. But as an individual it is not possible for me to do all home work. So, if you feel there are areas/directions you can help in, you will have to take on all the homework relating to it, which could involve studying the need, making plans, preparing proposals and paper work.

@sumit, Devender and Brahm - you can spread the word about adaa over the internet. Get maximum people to contribute in small ways.

We will have to take on some tasks fully.

Regards
Navin


Jaroor bhai saahb. Hope mein bhi jaldi hi kuch chota mota contribute kar paaunga.
All the best to all and me too.

[sumitsehrawat]

Yes, sure!!




@ Sumit : Theres a lot to do while still not being in Delhi , Please follow up with Navin on this more !



@sumit, Devender and Brahm - you can spread the word about adaa over the internet. Get maximum people to contribute in small ways.

Regards
Navin

[brahmtewatia]

@sumit, Devender and Brahm - you can spread the word about adaa over the internet. Get maximum people to contribute in small ways.


sure navin, i will do my best within my capacity.


Was reading the thread " accountability of moderators/editors "

Thats what you call a classic example of " Wastage of Human Energy " !

bhai anil, do u remember that clarifications...attacks nd counter attacks tht you faced on JW while justifying yr stance on exclusion of monica as mod nd manan frm JW membership...here's the link :)
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=140936&tid=2545084122972219207&kw=moderators&na=1&nst=1

sumtimes u get so deeply involved to put forward yr viewpoint nd while doin' so there is no retreat back...situations like these do come in yr life where u know...yes this is the waste of human energy, but still u carry on...hope u understand wat i mean to say :)

[navingulia]

www.adaa.in

[anilsinghd]

sure navin, i will do my best within my capacity.



bhai anil, do u remember that clarifications...attacks nd counter attacks tht you faced on JW while justifying yr stance on exclusion of monica as mod nd manan frm JW membership...here's the link :)
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=140936&tid=2545084122972219207&kw=moderators&na=1&nst=1

sumtimes u get so deeply involved to put forward yr viewpoint nd while doin' so there is no retreat back...situations like these do come in yr life where u know...yes this is the waste of human energy, but still u carry on...hope u understand wat i mean to say :)


:)


Just to make up the message of around 10 words ! :D

[brahmtewatia]

(in fact i know u frm MOD of JW nd admire yr patience nd handling of things by yr astute diplomacy nd sharp intellect...i precisely remember manan's case nd yr views on tht thread + other issues on JW...bhai ab chane ke jhaad pe mat chadh jaiyo :D:rock)

:)


Just to make up the message of around 10 words ! :D

u gave another gud example of yr astute diplomacy nd sharp intellect...kudos bro, i admire u...as i complete my 100th post on JL :)
...
btw, y sum one didn't proposed yr name for JW MOD'ship. :p:D:boxing

Listen to the Exhortation of the Dawn!
Look to this Day!
For it is Life, the very Life of Life.
In its brief course lie all the
Verities and Realities of your Existence.
The Bliss of Growth,
The Glory of Action,
The Splendor of Beauty;
For Yesterday is but a Dream,
And To-morrow is only a Vision;
But To-day well lived makes
Every Yesterday a Dream of Happiness,
And every Tomorrow a Vision of Hope.
Look well therefore to this Day!
Such is the Salutation of the Dawn!

[navingulia]

We can contribute whatever little (minimum monthly amount) we can for the cause
you can visit www.adaa.in for details
if any other clarification, i am available 24x7
Thanks
Navin

[anilsinghd]

We can contribute whatever little (minimum monthly amount) we can for the cause
you can visit www.adaa.in (http://www.adaa.in) for details
if any other clarification, i am available 24x7
Thanks
Navin


thanks Navin for putting up the link and asking people to contribute.

I think now it is upto people to either : sit idle as they generally do !

or get up and moving!


lets see who all come forward!

[dkumars]

shabd barabar dhan nahi , jo koi jaane bol
heera to daamon mile , shabd bol naa tol !

Meetha sabse boliye , sukh upjat chahoon aur
vashikaran ae hi mantra hai , taji de vachan kathor!

sheel ratan sabse bada , sab ratnan ki khaan
teen lok ki sampada rahi sheel mein aan!


No explanation or context phrasing (gyaan) , because then Jit would be after ma life! :)


thanks Navin for putting up the link and asking people to contribute.

I think now it is upto people to either : sit idle as they generally do !

or get up and moving!


lets see who all come forward!


I think the words in red are not required. This is well understood.
Those who are helping shud keep it and just convey their message to contribute. But such kind of taunts are never appreciated. :mad:

[anilsinghd]

I think the words in red are not required. This is well understood.
Those who are helping shud keep it and just convey their message to contribute. But such kind of taunts are never appreciated. :mad:

It was one of the more humble reminders buddy!

ITs the way you look at it.

I guess you know me enough to make out that being taunt-ish is not my way of addressals.

Still , i apologise to keep it short and precise and humble!:)

[brahmtewatia]

It was one of the more humble reminders buddy!


i've not forgotten, just a matter of time ! :)

[dkumars]

It was one of the more humble reminders buddy!

ITs the way you look at it.

I guess you know me enough to make out that being taunt-ish is not my way of addressals.

Still , i apologise to keep it short and precise and humble!:)


Bhai Anil Ji, i wrote what i felt. May be i pointed it wrong and moreover that is just a suggestion bhai.

I know u well thats y i wrote that u will ponder and take care of it otherwise koi fitta muh hota toh shayad nahi kaha hota. I always read ur posts and ur polite language also. So, dont feel that i m criticising u but m asking u to use more polite words, if u can.
thanks for replying

[anilsinghd]

Bhai Anil Ji, i wrote what i felt. May be i pointed it wrong and moreover that is just a suggestion bhai.

I know u well thats y i wrote that u will ponder and take care of it otherwise koi fitta muh hota toh shayad nahi kaha hota. I always read ur posts and ur polite language also. So, dont feel that i m criticising u but m asking u to use more polite words, if u can.
thanks for replying

Remarks duly noted! Thanks for inputs! I will improve!:)

[sunitahooda]

The Thread's topic is OPEN LETTER TO ADMINS>>>By the way:pnot to one another....ye personal chithi-patri....thode ko ghana samjhna arr chithi ko taar samjhna types baatein....you know ANIL:D:D
Remarks duly noted! Thanks for inputs! I will improve!:)

[anilsinghd]

The Thread's topic is OPEN LETTER TO ADMINS>>>By the way:pnot to one another....ye personal chithi-patri....thode ko ghana samjhna arr chithi ko taar samjhna types baatein....you know ANIL:D:D

Ji sunita ji ! samajh mein to na aaya , lekin fir bhi future mein dhyaan rakhoonga !