Why to Feel Proud to be an Indian !!

[mukeshkumar007]

“I’m proud to be an Indian”. We often say atleast on Independence and Republic day if not all time. But haven’t thought that why do we feel proud to be an Indian. Do we feel just because it is our country and we born here? Is it just because that we don’t have any option but to live in India.

Just curious to know what other members feel that why do you feel proud to be an Indian. is it just an emotional attachment or there are any rational reasons behind it. Have you ever thought that it would be much better, if u were to belong to any other developed country instead of India? Is India so dear to you that you even can sacrifice the citizenship of a developed country which promises you all success?

Do you ever feel pity on being Indian if yes then why? What are those things which let you feel down? Please just give your rational views.

[shweta123]

Wo kayi baar hame lagta hai na ki, doosre ki stylish maa se apni desi maa bhali ...... doosre ke mahal se apni jhopadi badi ....

Aisa hi kuch lagaav aur judaav apne desh se ho jaata hai ..... janam se hi, apne aap ....

Aajkal jaise ki hamaare anek 'bhaav' tezi se badal rahe hain, hamaari soch 'swaarthpoorn' hoti ja rahi hai (I am taking about the whole human race in general) waise hi is bhav me bhi parivartan hota ja raha hai .... ye bhi ab utna 'strong' nahi raha ... par ye bhav sabme hota hai kahi na kahi, apna desh hi kya apna sheher, apna ghar sabse hi ek judaav hona ek swaabhavik kriya hai.:)

I am aware of many good and bad aspects of my country and I do pity that inspite of the resources, possibilty of a brilliant infrastructure, brain power and the likes we havent achieved what we could have achieved easily. But that can never form a reason to leave the country.

Can you leave your mother if she is sick most of the times, or if she is suffereing from some disorder ? May be some people can, or may be they have some problem or limitation owing to which they have to take this step, but not everyone.

And so is the case with country. There is surely an inbuilt bonding, a deep concern and something really special which keeps us close to our motherland. :)

[skarmveer]

Jis tarah eak ma ney hamey janm diya or sadiav hamarey liyea Vandniya hai usee perkar yeah Bhart Mata bhee hamarey janm say maran tak humey sab suvidha perdaan karti hai isliyea usee tarah vandniya, Pujniya or samarniya hai. Jis perkar keesi bahut hee sunder or sampadawan ma key milney per bhee hum aapnee ma ko nahi chhod saktey usee perkar keesee purn viksit desh kee naagrikta milney per bhee apney Bharat Mata ko chhodna sambhav nahi hai.

"AAj jo hum is baat per vichar ker rahey hai kee hamari estithi kya hai or viksit desho ke kya yeah samjhney ka gayaan hamey is bhart mata ney he diya hai."

Aaj hamey prarambhik suvidhai yahan say nahi mili hoti to hum videsh key vishay mein soch bhee nahi saktey they.




“I’m proud to be an Indian”. We often say atleast on Independence and Republic day if not all time. But haven’t thought that why do we feel proud to be an Indian. Do we feel just because it is our country and we born here? Is it just because that we don’t have any option but to live in India.

Just curious to know what other members feel that why do you feel proud to be an Indian. is it just an emotional attachment or there are any rational reasons behind it. Have you ever thought that it would be much better, if I were to belong to any other developed country instead of India? Is India so dear to you that you even can sacrifice the citizenship of a developed country which promises you all success?

Do you ever feel pity on being Indian if yes then why? What are those things which let you feel down? Please just give your rational views.

[dkumars]

I too feel same sometimes. Anyway, i dont feel that both of the above posts answered Mukesh's question. The question was something else. Hope in coming posts will get some gud and relevent ans.

[cooljat]

Bro, I think there's nothing like Home & Home Country, so be it Indian, Pakistani, American n all other citizens of respective countries, they all've Emotional Attachment with their countries just like their families; So its nothing but the Attachment!! :)

Well, I second ur lines that nowdays Indians feel pride of being Indian only on 15th Aug or 26th Jan, cricket match or Pakistan bashing, thats it! Nobody seems to care about Civil Sense n Duties for the Country!! :rolleyes:



So it doesnt make ny diffrence if you say am proud to be Indian or not ! :rolleyes:


Rock on
Jit





Just curious to know what other members feel that why do you feel proud to be an Indian. is it just an emotional attachment or there are any rational reasons behind it. Have you ever thought that it would be much better, if I were to belong to any other developed country instead of India? Is India so dear to you that you even can sacrifice the citizenship of a developed country which promises you all success?

[rama]

I am proud to be an Indian on all days of the year just by default .
Because I am born as an Indian . Otherwise, everyplace and every culture on the Earth is just as fascinating as Indians are.
It feels good that we are born in a country where moral values still have some value.
We are just balanced, neither too much orthodox nor too libral.
I feel proud when I see that India is being recognised in the world over.

Ya, sometimes I feel let down too , when I see our civic sense in public places.
It makes me sad , when I see corrupt and indifferent politicians.

Inspite of everything , I am Indian and proud of it.

[vins9981]

check out this video on youtube all ya all!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AP30br94ro
just paste it on and watch. 6mins after lemme know how u feel!

[brahmtewatia]

मैं अपना भाषण बाद मैं दूंगा :D:D:rock

[deepshi]

bad aspects outweigh the good ones
its just the sense of posessivenes that makes us protective for our nation
Else,,i reckon nthin worth bein proud of,,,Indians need a lot more time to evolve!

[mukeshkumar007]

मैं अपना भाषण बाद मैं दूंगा :D:D:rock

To bhaishab baad maie hi de dete na.. yeh likhna jaruri tha ke !!

[brahmtewatia]

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[mukeshkumar007]

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[sumitsehrawat]

Mukesh, I've not read your post beyond this point (underlined below). I have got one question ... Why do you love your family and how would you relate the below-underlined statements to this question?

Not that I am trying to relate or differentiate a family and a country here. The intention is to twist the discussion a little. Please don't mistake the motive.

P.S.: And neither I've read any response to your question yet.

“I’m proud to be an Indian”. We often say atleast on Independence and Republic day if not all time. But haven’t thought that why do we feel proud to be an Indian. Do we feel just because it is our country and we born here? Is it just because that we don’t have any option but to live in India.

[sumitsehrawat]

I just glanced through the replies. Of what I could gather, my dear friends have reasoned out(if I am right) this question with one's love for his/her country and his/her family. I think Devender is very much correct in saying that its not the answer to Mukesh's question.

And, that's why I gave this question a twist in my previous post. Forget India .... just answer me the family-attachment mystery. Alright, let me narrow it down further.

Why do you love your parents and how would you relate the below-underlined statements to this question?

From Mukesh's post: Do we feel (as Mukesh felt in his post) just because it is our parents and we were born to them? Is it just because that we don’t have any option but to live with them.

[ygulia]

The things/persons/places (Including country) you love will always be proud of that especially if those things/persons/places belong to you.
So if you are an Indian and love your country then definitely you will be proud of being an Indian.
If you do not love your country then it is other way around.

[sidchhikara]

I might be proud of certain individuals like:

The soldier who died on the frontier
An honest journalist
A businessman who created wealth for a large group of people
A social worker who honestly works for poor people.
An educator who mentored a couple of generations of individuals who went on to do great things
The guy incharge of the Delhi Metro Project
The scientist who makes amazing discoveries

The list is too long for the things I am not proud of.

The things I am not proud of are a result of the vote that majority illiterate , backward people cast for the politicians. This keeps any change from happening that the educated minority might want.

I will refrain from blaming the politicians because they are just a reflection of the people who vote for them. If a politician is corrupt, chances are that majority of people who elected him also share the same values. Most Indians condone corruption or even glorify it.
The ill-informed majority runs over the decent educated people. Thats why I always stress on individual freedoms to be imbibed in the constitution.
To quote Ayn Rand - BTW I am not a big fan..
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.

In India nothing happens if you are not part of a group or a rioting mob

I think in the near future, the negatives will reduce.... but since a large mass of people are illiterate, poor and backward, it will be a long time before a criticall mass of well-informed people will form to affect drastic positive change.

Honestly, I do not understand the overt emphasis on national, regional, ethnic pride etc.,

PS: The SMS-txt msg styl of riting is also somthng v cd do away wid as a cntry. Its gting so bad tht in a few yrs 10th class NCERT eng bk will b SMS styl......... lol ...omg..lmao... rofl!!

[vijay]

I feel proud to be an Indian because I am an Indian. We can hate our corrupt political and admistrative system, we can hate the way in which we are trying to grow, we can hate our law system and there maybe many other things. But we can't hate our country as it's our identity, our pride and our esistance. Can we deny our existance ? Just try to tell anyone that you are Indian and you feel ashamed of being an Indian ...... and analyze one's reaction. Again i agree that there are so many things about India that we feel ashamed of but that's not because of the nation but because of the people here. A nation is always a thing to pride

Nationality itself is the identity and only proof of one's existance as a human being on this planet by default. At global level you are just recognized as an individual from some country. That country is your identity and individuality as a whole.

It depends upon all us individuals as a human being that how we take things and analyze them accordingly. Two people are fighting out there ...... one will say person x is right while some other will say person y is right. So, there is nothing absolute right or wrong as most of the part of our lives have a grey shade.

One can say we are one of the most corrupted countries in the world, on the other hand one can say that we are among first 7 countries who possess Nuclear Power. One can say that we are amongst one of the poorest countries in the World while one can say that we are among one of the top fastest growing economies of the world. One can say that our people are still living in the stone age while some other will say that we are the best software developers all across the World.

All depends how you think and is your series of thoughts convergent or divergent ?

Why don't you feel proud of your Nationality ?

Just try to ask a soldier who is dying at front that why he is dying for his country and whether he is feeling proudy or not while dying for INDIA. Or would he feel much more proud if he would die for some other country ?
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[poonam]

“Do we feel just because it is our country and we born here?

Precisely!! Not out of choice...


Have you ever thought that it would be much better, if u were to belong to any other developed country instead of India?

Oh yes, sure! I wish I was born in some developed first world country!

Rest whatever I want to say is pretty much put fwd by Sid. I totally concur with him.

[deepshi]

apart from that....
MANY things..
(At the risk of sounding a whinger),,but better to say it upfront..
the things i m NOT proud of are:
(n mind u these r just sum of them-not ALL, as m blessedlyrunnin outta time, so country worshipping guys- u may thank my uptight schedule 2day;))

well, the worst thing is 1.Attitude of the common people(much of the politician-bashing has already been done,,n i dont deal with them DIRECTLY as i do with a layman each day!) -Man,,,they r all (ok-mostly) sick, pervert,fake n PRUDES!
2.They r insecure/selfish.
3.Narrowminded-lesser said the better
4. depressed/depressing/dismal/ held-back/manipulative


ouch!---duz it hurt?!!

well, some day i may write gud things as well, wen i wud b in very gud mood,,to make up for it!


I might be proud of certain individuals like:

The soldier who died on the frontier
An honest journalist
A businessman who created wealth for a large group of people
A social worker who honestly works for poor people.
An educator who mentored a couple of generations of individuals who went on to do great things
The guy incharge of the Delhi Metro Project
The scientist who makes amazing discoveries

The list is too long for the things I am not proud of.

The things I am not proud of are a result of the vote that majority illiterate , backward people cast for the politicians. This keeps any change from happening that the educated minority might want.

I will refrain from blaming the politicians because they are just a reflection of the people who vote for them. If a politician is corrupt, chances are that majority of people who elected him also share the same values. Most Indians condone corruption or even glorify it.
The ill-informed majority runs over the decent educated people. Thats why I always stress on individual freedoms to be imbibed in the constitution.
To quote Ayn Rand - BTW I am not a big fan..
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.

In India nothing happens if you are not part of a group or a rioting mob

I think in the near future, the negatives will reduce.... but since a large mass of people are illiterate, poor and backward, it will be a long time before a criticall mass of well-informed people will form to affect drastic positive change.

Honestly, I do not understand the overt emphasis on national, regional, ethnic pride etc.,

PS: The SMS-txt msg styl of riting is also somthng v cd do away wid as a cntry. Its gting so bad tht in a few yrs 10th class NCERT eng bk will b SMS styl......... lol ...omg..lmao... rofl!!

[spdeshwal]

I always feel proud to be an Indian! I feel proud not only because I was born there but of its uniqueness ! Every time I see some westerner back from India mesmerized by richness of her culture and uniqueness, I feel proud. I feel proud in spite of its numerous failures and challenges. I would,t dream of having born other than the piece of land known Ladhaut, Rohtak, Haryana , India.

It is like, I would be always indebted and proud of my late mother who didn't even complete her Primary Education. I would be always remain indebted and be proud of my late grand father who, in spite of having no formal education, had influenced my thought process immensely. I would be always remain indebted to my father, a retired Primary School Teacher who provided me and my siblings everything in his capacity and would remain a role model.

Therefore i would remain indebted and proud of mother India and everything that belongs to her, in spite of its failures, its shortcomings, poor life standards etc. To me feeling and remain satisfied is a state of mind and one's attitude towards life. Can anyone exchange poor or not so wealthy parents with wealthy parents?

I have come across and have talked to hundreds of people from different backgrounds and countries. I have met people from poorest of the poor countries like Ethiopia, war torn Iraq and Afganistan, countries affected by civil war like Serbia and Somalia, one thing I have found common among all is they would like to go back to their country because they love her and feel proud of her.

Finally, it is not only emotional but physical and spiritual bondage as well, that makes me feel proud of, to be part of that great civilization.


Cheers!

[spdeshwal]

I came across this thread after I had finished the above post.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24386

Very thought provoking article.

Although not new and believe, had been posted before but request the members to read this word by word and than comment on the current thread. I would like the views of the starter of the thread. Please don't stop halfway! At least have time and patience to read whole article if you have the genuine concern.

Cheers!

[cooljat]

Second n Concur word by word with Sid bro, arguably the best reply so far! :)


I might be proud of certain individuals like:

The soldier who died on the frontier
An honest journalist
A businessman who created wealth for a large group of people
A social worker who honestly works for poor people.
An educator who mentored a couple of generations of individuals who went on to do great things
The guy incharge of the Delhi Metro Project
The scientist who makes amazing discoveries

The list is too long for the things I am not proud of.

The things I am not proud of are a result of the vote that majority illiterate , backward people cast for the politicians. This keeps any change from happening that the educated minority might want.

I will refrain from blaming the politicians because they are just a reflection of the people who vote for them. If a politician is corrupt, chances are that majority of people who elected him also share the same values. Most Indians condone corruption or even glorify it.
The ill-informed majority runs over the decent educated people. Thats why I always stress on individual freedoms to be imbibed in the constitution.
To quote Ayn Rand - BTW I am not a big fan..
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.

In India nothing happens if you are not part of a group or a rioting mob

I think in the near future, the negatives will reduce.... but since a large mass of people are illiterate, poor and backward, it will be a long time before a criticall mass of well-informed people will form to affect drastic positive change.

Honestly, I do not understand the overt emphasis on national, regional, ethnic pride etc.,

PS: The SMS-txt msg styl of riting is also somthng v cd do away wid as a cntry. Its gting so bad tht in a few yrs 10th class NCERT eng bk will b SMS styl......... lol ...omg..lmao... rofl!!

[gaganjat]

Its not the land we love , its the people we love. They form a society and the culture we live in.

If we swap all the indians in india with americans /english/chinese/or any other nationality , would u still love it as much as u love it now ?
Land doesnt matter , its the people who make the country , country doesnt make people.

Its the time to love the planet. If one country is stuffed up its going to stuff up the global environment..and all that..u know.

but yes got to admit the land and climate of india is great. we have deserts, mountains, forests, beaches, every weather at the same time in the year (if u go to different places) etc.

Our land and people are great.

I think most of the people love their country but I not sure if they are proud or not.

[dkumars]

I might be proud of certain individuals like:

The soldier who died on the frontier
An honest journalist
A businessman who created wealth for a large group of people
A social worker who honestly works for poor people.
An educator who mentored a couple of generations of individuals who went on to do great things
The guy incharge of the Delhi Metro Project
The scientist who makes amazing discoveries

The list is too long for the things I am not proud of.

The things I am not proud of are a result of the vote that majority illiterate , backward people cast for the politicians. This keeps any change from happening that the educated minority might want.

I will refrain from blaming the politicians because they are just a reflection of the people who vote for them. If a politician is corrupt, chances are that majority of people who elected him also share the same values. Most Indians condone corruption or even glorify it.
The ill-informed majority runs over the decent educated people. Thats why I always stress on individual freedoms to be imbibed in the constitution.
To quote Ayn Rand - BTW I am not a big fan..
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.

In India nothing happens if you are not part of a group or a rioting mob

I think in the near future, the negatives will reduce.... but since a large mass of people are illiterate, poor and backward, it will be a long time before a criticall mass of well-informed people will form to affect drastic positive change.

Honestly, I do not understand the overt emphasis on national, regional, ethnic pride etc.,

PS: The SMS-txt msg styl of riting is also somthng v cd do away wid as a cntry. Its gting so bad tht in a few yrs 10th class NCERT eng bk will b SMS styl......... lol ...omg..lmao... rofl!!

Bhai this is almost a complete ans to question. One can not proud on everything he has got but certainly we are unique and better in few things which make us feel proud.


I always feel proud to be an Indian! I feel proud not only because I was born there but of its uniqueness ! Every time I see some westerner back from India mesmerized by richness of her culture and uniqueness, I feel proud. I feel proud in spite of its numerous failures and challenges. I would,t dream of having born other than the piece of land known Ladhaut, Rohtak, Haryana , India.

It is like, I would be always indebted and proud of my late mother who didn't even complete her Primary Education. I would be always remain indebted and be proud of my late grand father who, in spite of having no formal education, had influenced my thought process immensely. I would be always remain indebted to my father, a retired Primary School Teacher who provided me and my siblings everything in his capacity and would remain a role model.

Therefore i would remain indebted and proud of mother India and everything that belongs to her, in spite of its failures, its shortcomings, poor life standards etc. To me feeling and remain satisfied is a state of mind and one's attitude towards life. Can anyone exchange poor or not so wealthy parents with wealthy parents?

I have come across and have talked to hundreds of people from different backgrounds and countries. I have met people from poorest of the poor countries like Ethiopia, war torn Iraq and Afganistan, countries affected by civil war like Serbia and Somalia, one thing I have found common among all is they would like to go back to their country because they love her and feel proud of her.

Finally, it is not only emotional but physical and spiritual bondage as well, that makes me feel proud of, to be part of that great civilization.


Cheers!

Bahut sahi likha bhai saahb.

[sumitsehrawat]

Exactly:)!!
I think that answers the question.

Its not the land we love , its the people we love. They form a society and the culture we live in.

[dkumars]

Here, one more question. Please dont take me otherwise. I do love my country but these are simply some questions which come to my mind.

Do i feel proud of south indian's. The extreme south, Kanyakumaari ppl???
If yes then y ? They dont have to do anything with me and i m not born there as well. They look alien to me, so as their language.

If i shud proud of them then shud i proud of SriLankan's who are very much similar to them ? Why south indians are our brothers n siss why not srilankans ??? Same with eastern states. Extreme north and Pakistan ?

I was born in delhi. Why shud i be proud of whole india, why not only delhi and the ppl i know ?


These are simply thoughts. I too love my country, land and ppl. But sometimes i do not get ans to such questions. Kindly, help me out.

Thanks,
Dev

[dkumars]

Exactly:)!!
I think that answers the question.



Sumit bhai, aap log mujhe desh dohi na samjh lena;) aise question poochne par.

Bhai shayad aap log question nahi samjh paa rahe hai ya fir mein samjha nahi paa raha hoon.:mad::(:confused::rolleyes:

[sumitsehrawat]

Devender,

Please go through my two posts on this thread. After you read those carefully, please answer me. Ok now from a different perspective. Forget South India KanyaKumari Idli Posse Gose..... please tell me why do you love Delhi people or Haryana People??? What if you neighbour back home is a serial killer?? What if his entire family is one involved in terror attacks??
Why would you trust just anyone who belongs to your area?

And, what about one's family??

The answer is here...
[From Gagan's post]
Its not the land we love , its the people we love. They form a society and the culture we live in.

Thanks!!


Here, one more question. Please dont take me otherwise. I do love my country but these are simply some questions which come to my mind.

Do i feel proud of south indian's. The extreme south, Kanyakumaari ppl???
If yes then y ? They dont have to do anything with me and i m not born there as well. They look alien to me, so as their language.

If i shud proud of them then shud i proud of SriLankan's who are very much similar to them ? Why south indians are our brothers n siss why not srilankans ??? Same with eastern states. Extreme north and Pakistan ?

I was born in delhi. Why shud i be proud of whole india, why not only delhi and the ppl i know ?


These are simply thoughts. I too love my country, land and ppl. But sometimes i do not get ans to such questions. Kindly, help me out.

Thanks,
Dev


Sumit bhai, aap log mujhe desh dohi na samjh lena;) aise question poochne par.

Bhai shayad aap log question nahi samjh paa rahe hai ya fir mein samjha nahi paa raha hoon.:mad::(:confused::rolleyes:

[sumitsehrawat]

Coming back to... Why one loves' his/her family?

My answer is "I don't care why". Yes, because I just love my family. And, do I really need to answer as to why?... NO, I don't think so. Not all feelings have reasons and so because any reasoning ain't enough.

To people who still aren't convinced... you get love and so you love. You were born as a baby...how much did you know on your first day? With time you learn...you learn love. To love and to be loved. And, as you love, you get back love. The art of reciprocating love for love is what we have been living with all our lives. And, this is how it is going to continue for eternity.


P.S.: I hope I don't sound stupid. Thanks .... :)!!

[dkumars]

Devender,

Please go through my two posts on this thread. After you read those carefully, please answer me. Ok now from a different perspective. Forget South India KanyaKumari Idli Posse Gose..... please tell me why do you love Delhi people or Haryana People??? ... I love delhi haryana ppl coz i grew up in that envornment. I have seen them always around me since after my birth. They look like me. I feel secure among them. Coz since my birth i have seen ppl who speak my lang, whose food habbitate are like mine, and coz of lotta another similarities. I feel comfortable with them. They have taught me abt life(directly or indirectly). They are the ppl who are closest to me and my race, my mentality, my beliefs, my values.

What if you neighbour back home is a serial killer?? What if his entire family is one involved in terror attacks?? Why would you trust just anyone who belongs to your area? ... I have answered that already but i wud like to say, i dont trust anyone with such credentials. I have different parameters of judging ppl(this is individual, so lets keep it apart)

And, what about one's family?? ... I can trust them coz i know them and have blood realtion too. But here my question is why india? why not SriLanka ? Pakistan/Burma/BanglaDesh/China ???

For me chinki's and Chinese are almost similar. Similarly, Tamilians and SriLankans but still i feel proud of them coz they are indians.??????

The answer is here...
[From Gagan's post]
Its not the land we love , its the people we love. They form a society and the culture we live in.

Thanks!!



Bhai maine aapki saari, infact iss thread ki saari posts padhi hai. AApke questions ke ans upar hi hai.

Wasie bhai aap yaha love ka jikar kar rahe ho. Aur mein proud ke baare mein pooch raha hoon. Dono mein kuch toh difference hai.
:)

[sumitsehrawat]

Proud...who we are and are NOT of. Dev Bhai, Pride ke baare me Sid has written quite well.

Thanks...:)!!


Bhai maine aapki saari, infact iss thread ki saari posts padhi hai. AApke questions ke ans upar hi hai.

Wasie bhai aap yaha love ka jikar kar rahe ho. Aur mein proud ke baare mein pooch raha hoon. Dono mein kuch toh difference hai.
:)

[dkumars]

Proud...who we are and are NOT of. Dev Bhai, Pride ke baare me Sid has written quite well.

Thanks...:)!!


Thanks bhai

[spdeshwal]

I believe, Indian is an essence,that includes every thing that India is attached with. Indian is my identity when I am out of India. The question is whether I take pride in associating everything India stands for.Even a child born out side India of Indian parents would remain Biologically/ genetically of Indian heritage.
Are you proud of you biological inheritage?

Is it only the people that feel proud of or don't feel proud of?

Bhai Gagan has said that its only the people as individuals that we relate our pride. Don't you feel proud about your Davidson Harley motorcycle?
How about a child's first toy, a first bike or any possession he or she can claim their own. Its the bond/ relationship, possession/ inheritage that merges your individual identity with things, people, places , country you love. When the love becomes overwhelming, turns into a proud feeling.

Its almost everyday, we witness here advertised as feel proud in buying "Australian"

to be cont...

[bnashier]

In June 2006 when Mr. Warren Buffett parted with almost 40 BILLION dollars to help the poor and needy in the world, he said,

“I was blessed to be born in a place where I could utilize my talent, play by the rules and become successful. The society and system rewarded me enough and I am happy to give my wealth back to the society.”

The first sentence of Mr. Buffett says it all. Inside the first sentence, take note of the words - play by the rules.

India (in its current state of affairs) is a disgrace to a democracy. Where should we begin counting?

Let us start with education - the most valuable commodity for any nation. We are failing miserably. Rural India has become worse than the poorest of third world countries. We all know that. In urban areas, money makes the mare go. You need lots of money for tutors to prepare for a few good places. Hundreds of thousands students try for a few seats in good institutions. We are not taking care of our talent.

Talk about production. India’s exports amount to less than 200 billions dollars. Small places in Asia, the likes of Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, China (of course) dwarf us in exports. We have more than 1.2 billion people and our markets are loaded with imported stuff. Are we proud of that?

Political system - the PAIN and the CAUSE of ALL MISERY.

We don’t know where to begin and where to stop.

So, how proud should we feel?

Let me end by saying this. It is a misfortune (now a days) for any child to be born in India in a POOR family. Gone are the days when talented youth form villages and poor families used to shine.

[cooljat]

Nashir uncle ur reply may sound harsh to many, but I must say u summed it up really well in straightforward manner! I second ur thoughts 100% ..

Kudos to u for sucha eye-opening reply, indeed it makes it clear the picture of real India!!

I believe the main culprits r Population, Politics & Poverty and one & only solution is Education & Awareness!! ...

way to go..


Rock on
Jit


In June 2006 when Mr. Warren Buffett parted with almost 40 BILLION dollars to help the poor and needy in the world, he said,

“I was blessed to be born in a place where I could utilize my talent, play by the rules and become successful. The society and system rewarded me enough and I am happy to give my wealth back to the society.”

The first sentence of Mr. Buffett says it all. Inside the first sentence, take note of the words - play by the rules.

India (in its current state of affairs) is a disgrace to a democracy. Where should we begin counting?

Let us start with education - the most valuable commodity for any nation. We are failing miserably. Rural India has become worse than the poorest of third world countries. We all know that. In urban areas, money makes the mare go. You need lots of money for tutors to prepare for a few good places. Hundreds of thousands students try for a few seats in good institutions. We are not taking care of our talent.

Talk about production. India’s exports amount to less than 200 billions dollars. Small places in Asia, the likes of Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, China (of course) dwarf us in exports. We have more than 1.2 billion people and our markets are loaded with imported stuff. Are we proud of that?

Political system - the PAIN and the CAUSE of ALL MISERY.

We don’t know where to begin and where to stop.

So, how proud should we feel?

Let me end by saying this. It is a misfortune (now a days) for any child to be born in India in a POOR family. Gone are the days when talented youth form villages and poor families used to shine.

[brahmtewatia]

अब मेरा भाषण भी सुन लो...paleeejjjj...:rock
(I’m proud of….blah blah blah…my views might b a repetition of wat is expressed abv…but still lemme put them in my words)

* I’m proud of my country india…where I was born, not b.cos of the fact wat it is as of today, (despite all of its achievements)…instead wat it was in yester centuries when it was revered by every soul on earth.
* I’m proud of my country India only b.cos of the fact tht I owe my allegiance to my country…my motherland.
* I’m proud of my country India where gr8 souls were born…to name a few…gautam budha, ashoka, swami dayanand, vivekanand, dr. kalam…the list is very long
* I’m proud of my culture wch in my view has the best of family values (or better say, use to have); respect nd tolerance unsurpassed by ny other culture(s) in the world.
* I’m proud of my school where I got the best of moral nd spiritual upbringing…(mothers international, n.delhi)
* I’m proud of my parents, who being an educationist gave education the topmost priority nd ensured tht I kept my entire focus on my studies, n’vr losing the track…cos b.cos of them I am wat I am.
* I’m proud of my country India…where a race called jat’s live…being born as a jat is 2nd gr8 feeling I have, apart frm being born in India.
* 1’m proud of my county India…which gave birth to bhagat singh, azaad, bose, bismil, savarker nd all other freedom fighters who sacrificed their life to give us a better tomorrow…(wish they cud see India as of today nd for whom they sacrificed their soul)

(there are definitely many more reasons, wch I cannot recollect now wch make me feel proud to b an Indian)

Having said so, nd with due regard to everybody’s viewpoint nd feelings…I wud like to put forward my thoughts, as follows…tht I feel no gud reason to b proud of my country in today’s scenario, wch in my opinion is now a cesspool of filth…blame it on our politicians, poverty, illiteracy, over population or…whatever.

...We don’t hv any moral values left tht we shud b proud of
...We hv no regard for anyone tht we shud b proud of
...Our cultural diversity is losing steam tht we shud b proud of

Summarizing my views…I wud say tht I wud like to visit India like as a visiting professor to a university…
…just b.cos for the very reason tht I’ve my very fond memories of childhood associated with it
…just b.cos of the fact tht I owe my allegiance to my country…my motherland.
…just b.cos of the fact tht I was born in a country tht was revered by every soul on earth.
…nd so on…
…nd so forth…

Well well well…its easy said then done….I can bet bottom dollars tht more then half of the ppl above, who hv expressed their thoughts so vividly nd explicitly wud leave their citizenship at the very 1st opportunity tht falls their way. If I’m wrong, then I must say tht hats of to all above, nd I hv all the reasons in the world to feel honored to b among such ppl full of pride… god bless u all !!!...Cum on folks don’t b so hypocrite nd open up yr eyes, remember u live in a materialistic world !!!

this is my personal opinion, so ppl can side with my opinion or b against, but the fact remains tht no one can change my opinion nd i dont feel obliged to answer anyone who contradicts my opinion.:cool::cool::cool: however, I repeat…tht the views expressed abv is my personal opinion, no offence to anyone nd with due regards to everybody’s viewpoint nd feelings)

[brahmtewatia]

HATS OF NASHIER...U SUMMARIZED ALL WAT WAS MISSING IN MY ABOVE POST :):cool:


In June 2006 when Mr. Warren Buffett parted with almost 40 BILLION dollars to help the poor and needy in the world, he said,

“I was blessed to be born in a place where I could utilize my talent, play by the rules and become successful. The society and system rewarded me enough and I am happy to give my wealth back to the society.”

The first sentence of Mr. Buffett says it all. Inside the first sentence, take note of the words - play by the rules.

India (in its current state of affairs) is a disgrace to a democracy. Where should we begin counting?

Let us start with education - the most valuable commodity for any nation. We are failing miserably. Rural India has become worse than the poorest of third world countries. We all know that. In urban areas, money makes the mare go. You need lots of money for tutors to prepare for a few good places. Hundreds of thousands students try for a few seats in good institutions. We are not taking care of our talent.

Talk about production. India’s exports amount to less than 200 billions dollars. Small places in Asia, the likes of Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, China (of course) dwarf us in exports. We have more than 1.2 billion people and our markets are loaded with imported stuff. Are we proud of that?

Political system - the PAIN and the CAUSE of ALL MISERY.

We don’t know where to begin and where to stop.

So, how proud should we feel?

Let me end by saying this. It is a misfortune (now a days) for any child to be born in India in a POOR family. Gone are the days when talented youth form villages and poor families used to shine.

[dkumars]

अब मेरा भाषण भी सुन लो...paleeejjjj...:rock
(I’m proud of….blah blah blah…my views might b a repetition of wat is expressed abv…but still lemme put them in my words)

* I’m proud of my country india…where I was born, not b.cos of the fact wat it is as of today, (despite all of its achievements)…instead wat it was in yester centuries when it was revered by every soul on earth.
* I’m proud of my country India only b.cos of the fact tht I owe my allegiance to my country…my motherland.
* I’m proud of my country India where gr8 souls were born…to name a few…gautam budha, ashoka, swami dayanand, vivekanand, dr. kalam…the list is very long
* I’m proud of my culture wch in my view has the best of family values (or better say, use to have); respect nd tolerance unsurpassed by ny other culture(s) in the world.
* I’m proud of my school where I got the best of moral nd spiritual upbringing…(mothers international, n.delhi)
* I’m proud of my parents, who being an educationist gave education the topmost priority nd ensured tht I kept my entire focus on my studies, n’vr losing the track…cos b.cos of them I am wat I am.
* I’m proud of my country India…where a race called jat’s live…being born as a jat is 2nd gr8 feeling I have, apart frm being born in India.
* 1’m proud of my county India…which gave birth to bhagat singh, azaad, bose, bismil, savarker nd all other freedom fighters who sacrificed their life to give us a better tomorrow…(wish they cud see India as of today nd for whom they sacrificed their soul)

(there are definitely many more reasons, wch I cannot recollect now wch make me feel proud to b an Indian)

Having said so, nd with due regard to everybody’s viewpoint nd feelings…I wud like to put forward my thoughts, as follows…tht I feel no gud reason to b proud of my country in today’s scenario, wch in my opinion is now a cesspool of filth…blame it on our politicians, poverty, illiteracy, over population or…whatever.

...We don’t hv any moral values left tht we shud b proud of
...We hv no regard for anyone tht we shud b proud of
...Our cultural diversity is losing steam tht we shud b proud of

Summarizing my views…I wud say tht I wud like to visit India like as a visiting professor to a university…
…just b.cos for the very reason tht I’ve my very fond memories of childhood associated with it
…just b.cos of the fact tht I owe my allegiance to my country…my motherland.
…just b.cos of the fact tht I was born in a country tht was revered by every soul on earth.
…nd so on…
…nd so forth…

Well well well…its easy said then done….I can bet bottom dollars tht more then half of the ppl above, who hv expressed their thoughts so vividly nd explicitly wud leave their citizenship at the very 1st opportunity tht falls their way. If I’m wrong, then I must say tht hats of to all above, nd I hv all the reasons in the world to feel honored to b among such ppl full of pride… god bless u all !!!...Cum on folks don’t b so hypocrite nd open up yr eyes, remember u live in a materialistic world !!!

this is my personal opinion, so ppl can side with my opinion or b against, but the fact remains tht no one can change my opinion nd i dont feel obliged to answer anyone who contradicts my opinion.:cool::cool::cool: however, I repeat…tht the views expressed abv is my personal opinion, no offence to anyone nd with due regards to everybody’s viewpoint nd feelings)



Bahut badhiya bhai saahb and the best point in ur post was the lines in blue abt this materialistic world. I really like ur personal views. May be looking lil harsh but that all r facts.

Here, i got 1 question. Hope u dont mind if i ask.

Summarizing my views…I wud say tht I wud like to visit India like as a visiting professor to a university…

Why not a permanent professor ?

[jitendershooda]

In June 2006 when Mr. Warren Buffett parted with almost 40 BILLION dollars to help the poor and needy in the world, he said,

“I was blessed to be born in a place where I could utilize my talent, play by the rules and become successful. The society and system rewarded me enough and I am happy to give my wealth back to the society.”

The first sentence of Mr. Buffett says it all. Inside the first sentence, take note of the words - play by the rules.

India (in its current state of affairs) is a disgrace to a democracy. Where should we begin counting?

Let us start with education - the most valuable commodity for any nation. We are failing miserably. Rural India has become worse than the poorest of third world countries. We all know that. In urban areas, money makes the mare go. You need lots of money for tutors to prepare for a few good places. Hundreds of thousands students try for a few seats in good institutions. We are not taking care of our talent.

Talk about production. India’s exports amount to less than 200 billions dollars. Small places in Asia, the likes of Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, China (of course) dwarf us in exports. We have more than 1.2 billion people and our markets are loaded with imported stuff. Are we proud of that?

Political system - the PAIN and the CAUSE of ALL MISERY.

We don’t know where to begin and where to stop.

So, how proud should we feel?

Let me end by saying this. It is a misfortune (now a days) for any child to be born in India in a POOR family. Gone are the days when talented youth form villages and poor families used to shine.

You have put it nicely!!!!

But WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS? Was India like the same as of now at independence too? Or what happened in between that we have failed like this much in a few decades only that we are feeling shame to be proud of being Indian? ARE WE WHO ARE THINKING LIKE THIS FIND THEMSELVES TO BE RELATED SOMEWHERE FOR THIS PITTY?

[brahmtewatia]

Bahut badhiya bhai saahb and the best point in ur post was the lines in blue abt this materialistic world. I really like ur personal views. May be looking lil harsh but that all r facts.

Here, i got 1 question. Hope u dont mind if i ask.

Summarizing my views…I wud say tht I wud like to visit India like as a visiting professor to a university…

Why not a permanent professor ?

भाई मैं इतना पढा लिखा भी कोन्या...सो paleej लेट मी बी विजिटिंग प्रोफेस्सर..agar permanent professor ban gaya to university ki politics aur bureaucracy me phas jaoonga. आई हेट बुरोक्रेसी :D:rock

[dkumars]

भाई मैं इतना पढा लिखा भी कोन्या...सो paleej लेट मी बी विजिटिंग प्रोफेस्सर..agar permanent professor ban gaya to university ki politics aur bureaucracy me phas jaoonga. आई हेट बुरोक्रेसी :D:rock


Bhai jiii diplomatic ans de kai ne goli manna do... :p;):D:thappad

Jai makka jatta dhaal sudha sudha samjhaate ho tai bujhe aap tai ... makka aap nai kahi thi na koi bhi koshchan(prashan) pooch sakta hai issliye ... side or against ... :)

[brahmtewatia]

सक्रचिंग माई हेड &^$#@&^%&*&(&@!(*_><??? :confused::confused:
भाई बकस दे मन्ने...इब्ब न दूंगा इस्सा भाषण :p:D

[raj2rif]

Dear Mukesh,

A very nice question raised, and I must say reasonably attempted by few members. Here is my attempt.

The pride, is related to identity. Every one of us want to be identified by some thing special. If you analyze some of the posts on this forum, you can easily understand that they are just to establish the identity of the person posting it. It is because of this reason, some of them go off topic, because intent was not to address the issue but to just satisfy the ego or being identified. Thus, identity is the emotion that is very dear to human beings and there is nothing wrong in that. Why it is so, I really have no answer to it. It is just that we all like to be identified by our own personal traits, achievements etc, etc. Search of our identity makes us work hard and achieve otherwise difficult results.

Having said that, now let us come to the question raised. Why do we feel proud to be Indian?

Well, India is one of the oldest civilization if not The Oldest, and hence has a rich heritage. When you have civilization as old as ours, there are bound to be black patches of history. Simple example, if you want to draw a one centimeter long straight line without using the foot ruler, it might be easy, but if you try to draw a much longer line, it might be difficult and might not be as straight. When we see those black patches in our history or heritage, we do feel disappointed and that is normal.

We have no control where we are born. But wherever we are born we do identify ourselves with that organization/ society/ nation for that is our identity, good or bad. What we consider good, may not be as good to other person and vice-versa. It is because of this reason, we feel very proud to be Jat and some times ignore the achievements of other person, just because we don’t identify them with ourselves. It is because of this reason we discuss the castes, religion and all other different issues.

Indian culture is an extremely rich culture, in-spite of some of its blemishes like the caste system, and some time the false pride in that system. We intend to go wrong when individuals become larger than the issue itself.

I will give you a little example, that I heard from one of the visiting priests of the Tirupati Foundation. This man was asked by an American about the difference in Indian mythology/philosophy with that of the West. This man replied with a simple example of the way we buy Coke in two countries. In America, when you go to restaurant, you pay for the size of the glass you want to use to drink the Coke and then can have unlimited fillings. So you don’t essentially pay for the quantity of the coke you use, but do pay for the size of the glass you use. In India, if you want to buy the Coke in restaurant, you pay for one bottle, and then if you want to drink more Coke, you pay for another bottle. You do pay every time you want to buy a bottle of the coke, and when you have finished your Coke you return the bottle. So, you paid for the Coke and not the Bottle. The difference is that we in India recognize the “Content”, and in the West people recognize the “Cover”. I think that should be good enough reason for all of us to feel proud of.

There are so many things those are not right in our country, and let me tell you we are not the exception. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the hill. As a human being, try and do your best, and avoid doing those things to others that you don’t like being done to you. I think that would lead to satisfaction and contentment.

We all are looking for happiness in our life. We can only control our own activities. Let us not give into what we feel is injustice, (easier said than done, but that is how you establish your identity). To me, if a person can get two full meals in a day, “Happiness is just the state of mind thereafter”.

I hope, I have been able to answer your question to some extent if not fully.

[mukeshkumar007]

It was really very nice and thought provoking reading to read so many rational replies.

Let me share what I feel on this topic !!

Why do I feel proud to be an Indian?

1) I feel proud on the glorious past of our country for that it was recognized as a “Vishav Garu”

2) I feel proud of our culture and tradition that plays an important role in shaping ones personality. I’m fond of Indian values that teach one to be responsible and task oriented person.

3) I feel proud of the family system. It happens only in India that parents would prefer to sleep without food but make sure that their children has enough food.

4) I’m proud of India’s diversified history that has experienced lots of ups and down but civilization stood firms. Many intruders came to loot some left some stayed but Indian soul accepted them without any discrimination.

5) I feel proud that India is a country of so many religions and casts but we live together happily and help each other in time of calamity. I feel proud that I have friends from all casts and religions and often discuss everything under the sun in a good spirit inspite of having differences in opinion.

6) I feel proud of achievement of some individuals from different walks of life, like Ashoka, Bhagat Singh, Chandra Sekhar Azad, Mahatma Gandhi, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Abdul Kalam Azad, and Manmohan Singh and many more.

7) I’m proud of the Indian constitution (though it is never implemented in true spirit).

8) I am proud of Indian Army and its bravery. It’s the Indian army that defended our self respect and always protects us from enemy.

But in present there is hardly anything on which we can feel proud, cultural and moral values are declining, trusted and tested family system is loosing its hold, secularism and democratic structure of the country is on stake, Indians as a citizen are no more responsible to their duties, they just cry for their rights only. India’s population is now a bunch of most corrupt and gutless people. Politics ke bare maie to kehna hi ke..

Though economy is growing with an average rate of 8% but the benefit of it hardly reached to rural people. Nation is divided in two part one is known is India that comprises of metro cities where lots of economic activities happens and the second is Bharat that lives in rural areas where only poverty lies and the gap between both of them is ever increasing. Benefit of economic growth never reach to the people of Bharat. Growth in economy is also not robust as the contribution of agriculture (which is the main source of income for majority of ppl) is merely around 15-18 percent.

I really don’t feel proud when I see

1) lots of discrimination of religion, casts, status at any level

2) I feel bad when a common man is being deprived of its constitution and human rights

3) Feel bad to know the fact that there is no value of a poor man’s life. It really hurt to see that one side a 8 year kid is enjoying all the luxuries of life and taking education in good institute whereas a another kid of same age is forced to pick polytheens in street.

4) It disappoints when corrupt politicians and burocrat don’t let the honest officer to do his job.

5) Education system is totally crap; it is producing only digree holders not the educated.
Though there have been a boom in the growth of institution/colleges but the quality of education is below the standard and these colleges are simply playing with the future of million of students.
Education is one of the essential requirements to make a nation great, when it is not upto the mark one can imagine the future of such a nation.

6) a soldier die for a nation but after that his family don’t get the support from society and government and it really disappoints.

But I still love my country and mother India inspite of all the undesirable things and will do my part in its service.

Cont..

[gaganjat]

Bhai Gagan has said that its only the people as individuals that we relate our pride. Don't you feel proud about your Davidson Harley motorcycle?
How about a child's first toy, a first bike or any possession he or she can claim their own. Its the bond/ relationship, possession/ inheritage that merges your individual identity with things, people, places , country you love. When the love becomes overwhelming, turns into a proud feeling.

Its almost everyday, we witness here advertised as feel proud in buying "Australian"



Deshwal Bhaisaab ! I agree with what you have expressed.

but we can always be more specific like instead of loving 'Australian' , I would prefer 'Western Australian'. I love Haryana more than I love India. I love Jats more than I love any other Indians.

but in contrast I am proud of 'Australia' not just 'Western Australia'
I am proud of 'India' not just 'Haryana'

It all depends in what context you are talkin.

This 'proud and love' thing is philosophical. You love few things but not necessarily proud of them. You might be proud of something but not necessary u love it too.

[jagmohan]

Dear All,

I have been thinking about this question rather hard and deep, because answering it either way needs a lot of introspection and as to how we start arguing it in terms of ‘realism’ or ‘idealism’. Even then a correct answer may not emerge. Then realizing my limited intellect, finding the correct answer may still elude me. There is no harm in trying though!

An individual’s thought process is molded over a period of time and it comes wrapped in societal experience, traditional and cultural paradigm, childhood memories and stark reality of the country. That India is a subcontinent is a fact and indicative of the potential we naturally possess to become a great country. It also suggests natural divisions within regions and peoples and there lies the biggest challenge. ‘Unity in Diversity’ is fine when it comes to scoring brownie points or participating in school debates, but are we united as a nation is the point. Historically, we were always divided in small kingdoms and principalities and exploited by all and sundry and with the help of self serving ‘Rajas’ and ‘Maharajas’. That is a different topic altogether.

When I think of what is there to be proud of as an Indian I can only think in terms of ‘past glory’ (as we are made to believe). Yes, one can refer to Dr APJ Abdul Kalam’s famous speech in Hyderabad, often quoted in threads here, and feel proud of individual achievements. One can also feel proud of the fact that despite all challenges we have remained united as one country, even if you ignore the fact that Pakistan and China have Indian territories under occupation and there is a parliamentary resolution to free those areas. Yes, I feel proud when I hear the National Anthem, be it in a movie hall or on Republic Day. I feel proud when an Indian wins a medal on world stage. I feel proud when good triumphs over evil, whether in epics or real day life.

However, I don’t feel proud as an Indian when:
• Merit is not honored and corruption thrives.
• Our politicians work against the very preambles of our constitution.
• There is such an increasing gap between the rich and poor.
• When mothers sell their children for as little as Rupees 100 just to feed themselves.
• When materialism buries our value system.
• When old parents are left to die by the children.
• When children are killed by parents in the name of honor.
• Where dowry death increase each passing year.
• When we behave like beasts on the roads.
• Where people only think about themselves.
• When a world champion comes home and has to take an auto rickshaw to go home.
• Where widows of war heroes have to beg for pension, leave alone acceptability.
• Where wife of an Olympian Hockey Gold Medalist has to work as a maid servant to make two ends meet.
• Where there is discrimination on the basis of birth, language, caste and what not.

I can write at least 1000 reasons as to why then one hangs his head in shame. But I have no other choice but to live and die in this land of our forefathers. Therefore, even though every thing stinks, I have to be proud as an INDIAN, of that INDIA that could have been an example to the rest of the world.

Warm regards,

JS Malik

[cooljat]

Jaggu Uncle,

You Simply Rock!! :cool:

I was just waiting for ur reply here ... u elucidated it really well !!

Kudos n salutations to u ...


Rock on
Jit


Dear All,

I have been thinking about this question rather hard and deep, because answering it either way needs a lot of introspection and as to how we start arguing it in terms of ‘realism’ or ‘idealism’. Even then a correct answer may not emerge. Then realizing my limited intellect, finding the correct answer may still elude me. There is no harm in trying though!

An individual’s thought process is molded over a period of time and it comes wrapped in societal experience, traditional and cultural paradigm, childhood memories and stark reality of the country. That India is a subcontinent is a fact and indicative of the potential we naturally possess to become a great country. It also suggests natural divisions within regions and peoples and there lies the biggest challenge. ‘Unity in Diversity’ is fine when it comes to scoring brownie points or participating in school debates, but are we united as a nation is the point. Historically, we were always divided in small kingdoms and principalities and exploited by all and sundry and with the help of self serving ‘Rajas’ and ‘Maharajas’. That is a different topic altogether.

When I think of what is there to be proud of as an Indian I can only think in terms of ‘past glory’ (as we are made to believe). Yes, one can refer to Dr APJ Abdul Kalam’s famous speech in Hyderabad, often quoted in threads here, and feel proud of individual achievements. One can also feel proud of the fact that despite all challenges we have remained united as one country, even if you ignore the fact that Pakistan and China have Indian territories under occupation and there is a parliamentary resolution to free those areas. Yes, I feel proud when I hear the National Anthem, be it in a movie hall or on Republic Day. I feel proud when an Indian wins a medal on world stage. I feel proud when good triumphs over evil, whether in epics or real day life.

However, I don’t feel proud as an Indian when:
• Merit is not honored and corruption thrives.
• Our politicians work against the very preambles of our constitution.
• There is such an increasing gap between the rich and poor.
• When mothers sell their children for as little as Rupees 100 just to feed themselves.
• When materialism buries our value system.
• When old parents are left to die by the children.
• When children are killed by parents in the name of honor.
• Where dowry death increase each passing year.
• When we behave like beasts on the roads.
• Where people only think about themselves.
• When a world champion comes home and has to take an auto rickshaw to go home.
• Where widows of war heroes have to beg for pension, leave alone acceptability.
• Where wife of an Olympian Hockey Gold Medalist has to work as a maid servant to make two ends meet.
• Where there is discrimination on the basis of birth, language, caste and what not.

I can write at least 1000 reasons as to why then one hangs his head in shame. But I have no other choice but to live and die in this land of our forefathers. Therefore, even though every thing stinks, I have to be proud as an INDIAN, of that INDIA that could have been an example to the rest of the world.

Warm regards,

JS Malik

[spdeshwal]

I don't disagree on the issues and shortcomings nicely brought out by Siddharth, Gagan, Budh ji and Col. Malik and Col Tavethia ji and others.

But I am still of the view that we should feel proud of what all we have.

I asked the opinion of some youngsters working with me on this.

Many of them answered, " I feel proud to be an Indian, because I am an Indian"
Some of them strongly said, " I don't need any reason to be proud of my country"

One thing I have observed in some of the answers that we grossly discount India's strengths when we compare with Other countries. For example where is the comparison between economy of Singhapore and India ?

On social front, dowry deaths are always twisted wrongly. Most of the deaths attributed to marital disputes are concluded as dowry deaths.

Incidents of honor killing are most unfortunate, but the liberty to youngsters to lead their on lives independently in developed countries, results in no less frustrations and no less deaths. Deaths and abuse of youngsters from broken families( result of excessive independence) could be 100 times in developed countries. Therefore, no society is perfect.

I live in a developed country and have observed that there are hundreds of homeless who eat from a dump/rubbish bins of supermarkets.

22000 out of 1.8 crore youngsters have no roof and spend their night under open sky.

There is no one of their own to their bed side when thousands of old people die in a developed country.

Thousands of them have to make their own arrangements/buy insurance for their funeral in a developed country.

I can keep on quoting, countering arguments and learned members might come up with more negatives about India. I remain of the view that we should be proud of our country, our heritage, our culture, our history in spite of all the negatives and short comings. Does that stop us from improving?

I believe the members who live in US have seen "Sicko". A shame on most developed nation on the earth!


I know, It may sound a bit irrational, "undhbhakti" to some but I have only this more to say:


Aye mere pyaare watan aye mere bichhade chaman tuz pe dil kubraan
too hee meree aarajoo, too hee meree aabaru, too hee meree jaan

tere daaman se jo aaye, un hawaaon ko salaam
choom loo main us jubaan ko jis pe aaye teraa naam
sab se pyaaree subah teree, sab se rangee teree shaam

maan kaa dil banake kabhee seene se lag jaataa hain too
aaur kabhee nanheesee betee ban ke yaad aataa hain too
jitanaa yaad aataa hain too, utanaa tadapaataa hain too

chhodakar teree jameen ko door aa pahuche hain hum
fir bhee hain yahee hain tamannaa tere jarro kee kasam
hum jahaan paidaa huye, us jagah hee nikale ye dam



Cheers!

[ygulia]

I don't disagree on the issues and shortcomings nicely brought out by Siddharth, Gagan, Budh ji and Col. Malik and Col Tavethia ji and others.

But I am still of the view that we should feel proud of what all we have.

I asked the opinion of some youngsters working with me on this.

Many of them answered, " I feel proud to be an Indian, because I am an Indian"
Some of them strongly said, " I don't need any reason to be proud of my country"

One thing I have observed in some of the answers that we grossly discount India's strengths when we compare with Other countries. For example where is the comparison between economy of Singhapore and India ?

On social front, dowry deaths are always twisted wrongly. Most of the deaths attributed to marital disputes are concluded as dowry deaths.

Incidents of honor killing are most unfortunate, but the liberty to youngsters to lead their on lives independently in developed countries, results in no less frustrations and no less deaths. Deaths and abuse of youngsters from broken families( result of excessive independence) could be 100 times in developed countries. Therefore, no society is perfect.

I live in a developed country and have observed that there are hundreds of homeless who eat from a dump/rubbish bins of supermarkets.

22000 out of 1.8 crore youngsters have no roof and spend their night under open sky.

There is no one of their own to their bed side when thousands of old people die in a developed country.

Thousands of them have to make their own arrangements/buy insurance for their funeral in a developed country.

I can keep on quoting, countering arguments and learned members might come up with more negatives about India. I remain of the view that we should be proud of our country, our heritage, our culture, our history in spite of all the negatives and short comings. Does that stop us from improving?


I know, It may sound a bit irrational, "undhbhakti" to some but I have only this more to say:


Aye mere pyaare watan aye mere bichhade chaman tuz pe dil kubraan
too hee meree aarajoo, too hee meree aabaru, too hee meree jaan

tere daaman se jo aaye, un hawaaon ko salaam
choom loo main us jubaan ko jis pe aaye teraa naam
sab se pyaaree subah teree, sab se rangee teree shaam

maan kaa dil banake kabhee seene se lag jaataa hain too
aaur kabhee nanheesee betee ban ke yaad aataa hain too
jitanaa yaad aataa hain too, utanaa tadapaataa hain too

chhodakar teree jameen ko door aa pahuche hain hum
fir bhee hain yahee hain tamannaa tere jarro kee kasam
hum jahaan paidaa huye, us jagah hee nikale ye dam



Cheers!
I support your view.
Also add one more thing. People(American) are proud of their being American despite the fact:
Every tenth American is behind the bars for criminality, Americans have a good history of Voilation of Human Rights. Still they are proud to be American. I do not know why these Indian are always a dissatisfied lot and keep complaining of life. I think if they are not proud of being Indian then they should quit their Indian citizenship and seek asylum some where else.

[cooljat]

Gulia Bhaisaab,

Not only Americans but almost all other people proud of their Ethnicity & Country...so wat diffrence it makes, Its just an Emotional Attachment! But the the very thing that seprates them with us is the Sense of 'Civic Duties'!!

I read some where else in thread about Great Dr Kalam's speech, he elaborated it really well what's lackin in Indian Citizens ... with addition by our Respected Seniors like Nashir ji, Col Tevatia ji & Jaggu uncle ... makes sense!

But I wonder how many of us will try to improve the shortcomings that making our Country worse ... here ppl just dont wanna learn they r just Dead, they dont want to improve thats why I always say 'Ish Desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta, ye Desh hi barbaad hai!' ... Situations not gonna change here no matter if u improve urself or not cuz here ppl just dont wanna change! I may sound negative but this is Harsh Truth!! :)

Aur bhaisaab, Contradictory statment - ur talkin about quiting Indian citizenship and seek asylum while u urself is residing abroad in Canada :rolleyes:


So all in all we shudn't feel proud by just carryin 'False Pride' instead we should sense our fundamental civic duties n work on it for betterment of our great country. period.


Rock on
Jit




I support your view.
Also add one more thing. People(American) are proud of their being American despite the fact:
Every tenth American is behind the bars for criminality, Americans have a good history of Voilation of Human Rights. Still they are proud to be American. I do not know why these Indian are always a dissatisfied lot and keep complaining of life. I think if they are not proud of being Indian then they should quit their Indian citizenship and seek asylum some where else.

[raj2rif]

But I wonder how many of us will try to improve the shortcomings that making our Country worse ... here ppl just dont wanna learn they r just Dead, they dont want to improve thats why I always say 'Ish Desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta, ye Desh hi barbaad hai!' ... Situations not gonna change here no matter if u improve urself or not cuz here ppl just dont wanna change! I may sound negative but this is Harsh Truth!! :)

Aur bhaisaab, Contradictory statment - ur talkin about quiting Indian citizenship and seek asylum while u urself is residing abroad in Canada :rolleyes:


So all in all we shudn't feel proud by just carryin 'False Pride' instead we should sense our fundamental civic duties n work on it for betterment of our great country. period.


Rock on
Jit

Dear Jit Ji,

People are attached to their old age inertia. It is because of this reason any change really requires a lot of push. The difference is only little. Imagine the water at 211 degree f and 212 degrees. At 211 it does nothing, at 212 it turns into steam and drives a locomotive. It is because of this reason you use # 1 Gear while starting to drive your vehicle, i.e. to break the inertia. The quailty of a leader or a person to drive the people out of their inertia separates them from the ordinary. That is the difference between good and great.

Since change is difficult, then what do we do. Least one can do is change him/herself. Does not look practical! The problem is, the good things don't come easy. It is totally different thing to identiy oneself with the all powerful idealistic hero of a movie in a cinema hall, when you experience a journey through the desert in an airconditioned room, then actual travel through it. So, finding faults with all that we have or we don't have is easy, but if we really look back to ourselves, then we will find, as to how much have we contributed to it or how inert have we been to keep seeing it happen and not do any thing.

Being proud of our heritage motivates us to do well. Any thing that motivates us, gets us started. We really have to form a habit out of it go keep it going.

Regarding people being proud of India but settled in foreign countries. I meet people here every day those are helping four to five families back home, which they would not have been able to do if they had not come here. It is not all green pastures here. People do work extremely hard to survive leave aside being successful in their field. It is the same case back home. Many of these people who work here, really want to be back home, but they are here, because they can support their families better while working here than at home. Can they still be proud of being an Indian, "Absolutely". It is our heritage that had taught us to help our family members in need. While we do have this class of people, we also have other class back in our villages, where a brother want to acquire his real brother's share of land by any means. Where a powerful neighbor want to superimpose himself over his less fortunate neighbor. So we do have all kind of people in the society every where.

We can only control our own activities. That is the least we can do for ourselves, society and the nation, and be proud of it.

[ygulia]

Gulia Bhaisaab,

Not only Americans but almost all other people proud of their Ethnicity & Country...so wat diffrence it makes, Its just an Emotional Attachment! But the the very thing that seprates them with us is the Sense of 'Civic Duties'!!

I read some where else in thread about Great Dr Kalam's speech, he elaborated it really well what's lackin in Indian Citizens ... with addition by our Respected Seniors like Nashir ji, Col Tevatia ji & Jaggu uncle ... makes sense!

But I wonder how many of us will try to improve the shortcomings that making our Country worse ... here ppl just dont wanna learn they r just Dead, they dont want to improve thats why I always say 'Ish Desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta, ye Desh hi barbaad hai!' ... Situations not gonna change here no matter if u improve urself or not cuz here ppl just dont wanna change! I may sound negative but this is Harsh Truth!! :)

Aur bhaisaab, Contradictory statment - ur talkin about quiting Indian citizenship and seek asylum while u urself is residing abroad in Canada :rolleyes:


So all in all we shudn't feel proud by just carryin 'False Pride' instead we should sense our fundamental civic duties n work on it for betterment of our great country. period.


Rock on
Jit

I am still an Indian citizen besides being a Canadian citizen. If I live out side India that does not mean my love for my country will diminish. I am proud to be an Indian as well as Canadian. My affection towards India is more because I was born and educated there. It takes time for the people to understand their Civic Duties. America and Canada got independance 150 years ago while India got 60 years ago. These countries started booming after 100 years of their independance while India started booming after 50 years. My friend wait, your long list of complaints will go down with the passage of time. Just do your duties and have patience.

[bnashier]

Here is something to ponder. I would say the topic was thrown at the readers to evaluate how well our nation is doing and how good should we feel about everything that is going on.

There is so much noble past to feel good about. The saints and the emperors - the likes of Ashoka the Great and Harishchandra. At the same time, that very past makes us sad that we LOST our values and went in the gutters. If we NEVER had a good past, we probably won’t feel that bad.

The situation is really pathetic in many ways. Our problems are so bad that we can’t even focus on the issues and try to find solutions. We quickly divert from the issues and that is the property of our Indian blood. O’ Yes, that is one of majors reasons we as a nation are in bad shape.

Let me cite examples (one can write a book here). But first, let me define progress. Progress for an individual, society or nation is simply a state better than the previous one.

India has progressed in many ways. We have cell phones now, more cars on the roads than there were 15 years ago and we have many rich people now.

At the same time we have advanced to the level (in the 21st century) to believe that the caste system is God given and we should bungle our education system, service system and thus our very progress by fixing quotas based on castes and not on ability.

O’ yes, we should feel very proud of that.

We in India define the notion of poverty based on Calorie intake (forget the need for shelter, clothes – and education is a luxury).

A matter of real pride!

I won’t duplicate what Col. Jag Mohan wrote.

Let me quickly wind up by getting to the point of diversion. As a good example, lately there seem to be a food shortage in the world. Mr. George Bush pointed out something to towards India to look into its situation. Our ministry took issue with that in the wrong way and started fighting back.

Come on folks – where is your common sense! If someone says anything about us, our home, children etc. then we should look into the situation if indeed there is a problem. In general, those who point out our shortcomings are indeed our friends because they help us to move towards progress. False flattery is no good.

Even here in this thread, rather than looking into our own home, we have started abusing other people and countries.

A gentleman calls those living in the US as sick people. I wonder how that relates to or solves the problems in India.

Another says that 10% of US people are in prisons. Let there be 50% of the Americans in jails. How does that make us proud of what we do in India? Furthermore, ignorance and silliness are no bliss. Canada has internet. Even India has. You go on line and find out ALL facts about US (or any developed country). There are less than 2.5 million people in US who are behind bars in Federal or State prisons or local jails. That is .8 (<1) percent.

We should feel proud of our tolerance, habit of sticking to the issues, and all the knowledge we carry in discussions.

Message is clear - focus on issues and help the situation if you can.

[raj_rathee]

[COLOR=blue]I am still an Indian citizen besides being a Canadian citizen.

Well, technically you can't be both unless you are referring to being
an OIC (Overseas Indian Citizen) which isn't quite citizenship in the
normal sense of the word.

Canada allows dual citizenship. India does not.
The day you became a Canadian citizen you lost your Indian citizenship.
You cannot now have an Indian passport. If you still do, you'd be advised to
give it up. Trying to travel on it will get you into trouble.

[raj_rathee]

"Why to feel proud to be an Indian?"

Well, baaki option kya hai? Thobday par jib mote-2 aksaro mein
INDIAN likh rakhya sai tae aur chaara hi kya reh jaata hai?

Vaise, other than that I think there is plenty to be genuinely awed and
proud of about India. I think other posts have highlighted some good reasons.
A cursory look through Indian history, social and cultural systems, spirituality,
modern day technical prowess...will genuinely leave anyone fascinated with
the unique civilization that India is.

[spdeshwal]

Budh ji I agree on many things you have mentioned. It is matter of perception. It is how you perceive the question in discussion it self. Also I have mentioned about the documentary "Sicko"on poor health services in US and never said people living in US as sick.

I believe, every one on this site feels proud to be a Jat.

What is that, when as a jat we are proud of?

Have Jats been performing to the level, to feel proud of?

Have Jats been performing to their potential?

I believe, it is our identity that we are proud of?

Is there any thing wrong in that?

It is distinct set of traits, culture that separates us from rest of the Indians, and we are proud of that.

That is what as an Indian I feel, special ,distinct from people from rest of the world, and I am proud of that.

I feel proud of what I have and stive for what i need to have!


Cheers!

[brahmtewatia]

tere daaman se jo aaye, un hawaaon ko salaam (ab to sirf pollution hi pollution hai)
choom loo main us jubaan ko jis pe aaye teraa naam (ab wo zubaan zaher tapakaathi hai)
sab se pyaaree subah teree, sab se rangee teree shaam (kabhi hoti thi...reminds me of my gud old bachpan)


the song always make me feel nostalgic nd for a moment i forget everything wrong abt india, hwever when the shock subsides (ii mean when the feeling is over)...i realise...

* we still hv laloo prasad yadav
* we still hv behanji mayawati...as our leaders
* we still hv ramadoss, who can go any extremes to satisfy his personal ego
* we still hv honor kilings
* i still cannot get driving license frm delhi thru normal procedure
* i still face those croocked luks frm custom officials while passing thru green channel
* we still hv tht same law thts only for poor.
* i still meet those corrupt DP policewalla's on the road with foxy luks, chancing their eyes on the honest/helpless prey.

...but i luv my india :)



Regarding people being proud of India but settled in foreign countries. I meet people here every day those are helping four to five families back home, which they would not have been able to do if they had not come here. It is not all green pastures here. People do work extremely hard to survive leave aside being successful in their field. It is the same case back home. Many of these people who work here, really want to be back home, but they are here, because they can support their families better while working here than at home. Can they still be proud of being an Indian, "Absolutely". It is our heritage that had taught us to help our family members in need. While we do have this class of people, we also have other class back in our villages, where a brother want to acquire his real brother's share of land by any means. Where a powerful neighbor want to superimpose himself over his less fortunate neighbor. So we do have all kind of people in the society every where.

We can only control our own activities. That is the least we can do for ourselves, society and the nation, and be proud of it.

...very well said !!!

[cooljat]

Nashier Uncle,

Can't agree more then that, I concur ur views uncleji 100% ! This is wat I wanted to convey but I was just not getting the right words, Nashier uncle put it in really great manner, so thanks to him! :) Kudos to You...

--

@ Veeru Uncle : Uncleji firstly plz dont use words like 'Ji' .. am like ur son so it makes me feel low...btw, I simply luv the way u express ur views using practical examples; makes it very easy to grasp! :)

I very much agree with ur positive views and I second ur thoughts, - 'We can only control our own activities. That is the least we can do for ourselves, society and the nation, and be proud of it.' But problem is no one willing to change as Nashier uncle stated, the situation is worsenin day by day , The day when every Indian will start introspecting and try to improve himself, Our India will be nothing less then Heaven! :)

As for people settled abroad I've nothing against them, they infact made a gud move to improve quality of life & achieve their goals, even many family members of mine are well settled in abroad but they are still very much Indian, whenever they come to India, nobody can tell that these ppl have been leaving abroad for long! I really appreciate their stickeness towards their roots & their down2earth attitude, But how many NRIs r like this leave for Jats, they are n always will be true Indians no matter how many years they spend abroad, wat about Gujuratis n Punjabis? are they attached to their Indian culture? I doubt!...

Anyways, Uncleji I very much appreciate ur views here & its always enlightening to intreact with ya! :)

May be we aimin high but one day we Indian will be proud of 'Real Pride' !

--

@ Gulia Bhaisaab : Bhaisaab, Ram Ram ... Plz dont get me wrong am very much cool n relaxed and No hard feelings by my side! :)
I just got lil irritated with ur that statment thats why I stated my views! So plz dont take it otherwise & I dont hv any doubt about ur being Indian, A Real Jat always will be Indian no matter where he lives ...

U know my Tauji (who's a renown Scientist) and Elder sis & family, are settled in Canada, they still are very much Indians ... as I stated earlier they all are very much attached to their roots & culture and am proud of it.

As par you, It'll take some time rather more time to people sense their duties but how later, Conditions is getting worsen day by day as Nashier uncle explained so it aches!

You gave in gud examples and here I also wanna give couple of ones, you know Japan was completly destroyed in Second world war so India & Japan kinda started rebuilding at the same time, now look at the Japan n then look at the India ... I guess I dont need to explain the diffrence! :) second example is of China, we almost same r in population, once China was considered as 'Sick Man of Asia' just becoz most of their ppl r addicted to drugs n all become lathargic n lazy; look at them now they are arguable the most fit ppl in world today, they always stand #1 in Olympics!

Why Japan & China devloped in sucha sort time span? Whats the reason? I guess everybody knows the reason! 'Sense of Civic Duties' & 'Self introspection' .... The day when Indian started thinkin about it we'll be far far ahead from rest of world! ... its a wishful thinkin thou :)


Thats all for now...


Rock on
Jit









Here is something to ponder. I would say the topic was thrown at the readers to evaluate how well our nation is doing and how good should we feel about everything that is going on.

There is so much noble past to feel good about. The saints and the emperors - the likes of Ashoka the Great and Harishchandra. At the same time, that very past makes us sad that we LOST our values and went in the gutters. If we NEVER had a good past, we probably won’t feel that bad.

The situation is really pathetic in many ways. Our problems are so bad that we can’t even focus on the issues and try to find solutions. We quickly divert from the issues and that is the property of our Indian blood. O’ Yes, that is one of majors reasons we as a nation are in bad shape.

Let me cite examples (one can write a book here). But first, let me define progress. Progress for an individual, society or nation is simply a state better than the previous one.

India has progressed in many ways. We have cell phones now, more cars on the roads than there were 15 years ago and we have many rich people now.

At the same time we have advanced to the level (in the 21st century) to believe that the caste system is God given and we should bungle our education system, service system and thus our very progress by fixing quotas based on castes and not on ability.

O’ yes, we should feel very proud of that.

We in India define the notion of poverty based on Calorie intake (forget the need for shelter, clothes – and education is a luxury).

A matter of real pride!

I won’t duplicate what Col. Jag Mohan wrote.

Let me quickly wind up by getting to the point of diversion. As a good example, lately there seem to be a food shortage in the world. Mr. George Bush pointed out something to towards India to look into its situation. Our ministry took issue with that in the wrong way and started fighting back.

Come on folks – where is your common sense! If someone says anything about us, our home, children etc. then we should look into the situation if indeed there is a problem. In general, those who point out our shortcomings are indeed our friends because they help us to move towards progress. False flattery is no good.

Even here in this thread, rather than looking into our own home, we have started abusing other people and countries.

A gentleman calls those living in the US as sick people. I wonder how that relates to or solves the problems in India.

Another says that 10% of US people are in prisons. Let there be 50% of the Americans in jails. How does that make us proud of what we do in India? Furthermore, ignorance and silliness are no bliss. Canada has internet. Even India has. You go on line and find out ALL facts about US (or any developed country). There are less than 2.5 million people in US who are behind bars in Federal or State prisons or local jails. That is .8 (<1) percent.

We should feel proud of our tolerance, habit of sticking to the issues, and all the knowledge we carry in discussions.

Message is clear - focus on issues and help the situation if you can.

[ygulia]

Well, technically you can't be both unless you are referring to being
an OIC (Overseas Indian Citizen) which isn't quite citizenship in the
normal sense of the word.

Canada allows dual citizenship. India does not.
The day you became a Canadian citizen you lost your Indian citizenship.
You cannot now have an Indian passport. If you still do, you'd be advised to
give it up. Trying to travel on it will get you into trouble.

You are right, I am an OCI.
It does not make much difference for me because I do not need the passport, right to vote and government assignments. I do not have right to buy the agriculture land. I am still happy to have limited rights.
NRI lobby has atleast reached to the stage of OCI, I am confident that one day GOI will agree for the above excluded rights as well. It is just a matter of time.
Rathee sahib jo milja wo hi dheek hai pahle OCI bhi nahi thi.

[ygulia]

Nashier Uncle,

Can't agree more then that, I concur ur views uncleji 100% ! This is wat I wanted to convey but I was just not getting the right words, Nashier uncle put it in really great manner, so thanks to him! :) Kudos to You...

--

@ Veeru Uncle : Uncleji firstly plz dont use words like 'Ji' .. am like ur son so it makes me feel low...btw, I simply luv the way u express ur views using practical examples; makes it very easy to grasp! :)

I very much agree with ur positive views and I second ur thoughts, - 'We can only control our own activities. That is the least we can do for ourselves, society and the nation, and be proud of it.' But problem is no one willing to change as Nashier uncle stated, the situation is worsenin day by day , The day when every Indian will start introspecting and try to improve himself, Our India will be nothing less then Heaven! :)

As for people settled abroad I've nothing against them, they infact made a gud move to improve quality of life & achieve their goals, even many family members of mine are well settled in abroad but they are still very much Indian, whenever they come to India, nobody can tell that these ppl have been leaving abroad for long! I really appreciate their stickeness towards their roots & their down2earth attitude, But how many NRIs r like this leave for Jats, they are n always will be true Indians no matter how many years they spend abroad, wat about Gujuratis n Punjabis? are they attached to their Indian culture? I doubt!...

Anyways, Uncleji I very much appreciate ur views here & its always enlightening to intreact with ya! :)

May be we aimin high but one day we Indian will be proud of 'Real Pride' !

--

@ Gulia Bhaisaab : Bhaisaab, Ram Ram ... Plz dont get me wrong am very much cool n relaxed and No hard feelings by my side! :)
I just got lil irritated with ur that statment thats why I stated my views! So plz dont take it otherwise & I dont hv any doubt about ur being Indian, A Real Jat always will be Indian no matter where he lives ...

U know my Tauji (who's a renown Scientist) and Elder sis & family, are settled in Canada, they still are very much Indians ... as I stated earlier they all are very much attached to their roots & culture and am proud of it.

As par you, It'll take some time rather more time to people sense their duties but how later, Conditions is getting worsen day by day as Nashier uncle explained so it aches!

You gave in gud examples and here I also wanna give couple of ones, you know Japan was completly destroyed in Second world war so India & Japan kinda started rebuilding at the same time, now look at the Japan n then look at the India ... I guess I dont need to explain the diffrence! :) second example is of China, we almost same r in population, once China was considered as 'Sick Man of Asia' just becoz most of their ppl r addicted to drugs n all become lathargic n lazy; look at them now they are arguable the most fit ppl in world today, they always stand #1 in Olympics!

Why Japan & China devloped in sucha sort time span? Whats the reason? I guess everybody knows the reason! 'Sense of Civic Duties' & 'Self introspection' .... The day when Indian started thinkin about it we'll be far far ahead from rest of world! ... its a wishful thinkin thou :)


Thats all for now...


Rock on
Jit

Jit bhai I never got angry..............
I appreciate your concern for the country and I hope if every one starts thinking like you then that day is not far off when India will be competing with the western world in all sphere. My brother, just have patience, India is on right track and I hope by 2020 you will notice lot of changes.

[mukeshkumar007]

My brother, just have patience, India is on right track and I hope by 2020 you will notice lot of changes. .... India is on right track and I hope by 2020 you will notice lot of changes.

Sir, Could u please throw some light on it? agar India sehi maie right track par hai to log 20 saal to kya 50 saal tak bi intzaar kar sakte hai !! but yeh right track hi to visible nai ho reha hai !!

[ygulia]

Sir, Could u please throw some light on it? agar India sehi maie right track par hai to log 20 saal to kya 50 saal tak bi intzaar kar sakte hai !! but yeh right track hi to visible nai ho reha hai !!



India is already more advanced in field of telecommunication.
Already work is under progress to create various corridors for linking regions for road transportation. This sector needs little more pace of work.
Middle class population has increased manifold
foreign exchange reserves are excellent
foreign investment is increasing at faster rate
There are various other economic indicators which points towards the economic progress.
Power sector needs attention: This problem can be solved up to a large extent if nuclear deal is signed
And the list goes on………………….

[cooljat]

Bhaisaab, aapne ache points ginwaye but these all r surface qualities , when u go deep in the granular level then u'll come to know how pathetic the conditions are .. :rolleyes:

The height of optimism : '100 mein se 100 Beimaan fir bhi mera Desh Mahan' errr 100 na hein 99.99% hein ;) lekin round figure mein 100 hi ho liye!

Bhaisaab ish desh ka kuch naa ho sakta ye to bhagwan bharose hi chal reha hai ... !! :rolleyes:

It may sound really negative but this is the harsh truth n we all know it!


But still am very much Indian and am luving it just like my home inspite of all negativity! :)


Rock on
Jit




India is already more advanced in field of telecommunication.
Already work is under progress to create various corridors for linking regions for road transportation. This sector needs little more pace of work.
Middle class population has increased manifold
foreign exchange reserves are excellent
foreign investment is increasing at faster rate
There are various other economic indicators which points towards the economic progress.
Power sector needs attention: This problem can be solved up to a large extent if nuclear deal is signed
And the list goes on………………….

[ygulia]

Bhaisaab, aapne ache points ginwaye but these all r surface qualities , when u go deep in the granular level then u'll come to know how pathetic the conditions are .. :rolleyes:

The height of optimism : '100 mein se 100 Beimaan fir bhi mera Desh Mahan' errr 100 na hein 99.99% hein ;) lekin round figure mein 100 hi ho liye!

Bhaisaab ish desh ka kuch naa ho sakta ye to bhagwan bharose hi chal reha hai ... !! :rolleyes:

It may sound really negative but this is the harsh truth n we all know it!


But still am very much Indian and am luving it just like my home inspite of all negativity! :)


Rock on
Jit

I do agree with you. Real India is our country side i.e. villages. I agree that condition of our people in villages is pathetic and needs improvement at a larger scale. That problem will be solved with help of education and educated & devoted leadership at grass root level. So, it will take time.

[brahmtewatia]

this was india...i envisage this type of india, once again !!! :):rolleyes::)

Albert Einstein said "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."

Mark Twain said "India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most constructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."

French scholar Romain Rolland said "If there is one place on the face of earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."

HuShih, former Ambassador of China to USA said "India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border .

[rajivsp]

India is already more advanced in field of telecommunication.
Already work is under progress to create various corridors for linking regions for road transportation. This sector needs little more pace of work.
Middle class population has increased manifold
foreign exchange reserves are excellent
foreign investment is increasing at faster rate
There are various other economic indicators which points towards the economic progress.
Power sector needs attention: This problem can be solved up to a large extent if nuclear deal is signed
And the list goes on………………….



Some points from my side ( related to IT only):



India is a talent-rich country: outsource IT talent
India exports software to 95 countries around the world: outsource expertise in global methodologies

India enjoys the confidence of global corporations: outsource high quality brain-power!



82% of the US companies ranked India as their first choice for software outsourcing
Bill Clinton applauds India 's brainpower: says Indian-Americans run more than 750 companies in America 's Silicon Valley . "You liberated your markets and now you have one of the 10 fastest growing economies in the world," said President Clinton.
Bill Gates says India is an IT superpower: strikes strategic alliances with Wipro and Infosys to develop applications on the .Net platform
Jack Welch opens $130 million Technology Center in Bangalore , GE's largest R&D center outside the US : celebrates 10 years of GE Medical Systems in India

India Offers Multiple Advantages



Outsource to stay competitive. Leading companies worldwide realize that to maintain stay ahead, they need to reduce costs, provide the best quality, use the latest high-tech skills, and be reliable and innovative
Outsource to a mature industry with world-class systems, systems and quality. Of the 23 software companies in the world that have achieved the prestigious SEI-CMM Level 5, 15 of them are Indian. India will soon have the highest number of ISO-9000 software companies in the world, according to Nasscom

India has state-of-the-art technologies for total solutions: outsource turnkey projects

Offshore assignments have moved up the value chain - from data entry to large and complex turnkey projects of 200 to 300 person years.
Applications include:


E-Commerce
Business Process Re-engineering
System Migration
Maintaining Legacy Systems
System Integration
CBI Application

"India, US sign deals worth US $6 billion "

"India bid to boost to bilateral economic ties, with Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee in the US, India and the US have signed five commercial deals worth US $6 billion for projects in power, e-commerce and banking sectors."
IT is a major thrust area for the Government of India



IT is one of the Government of India's top five priorities.
The National IT Task Force submitted its 108 point Action Plan to promote IT in the country. The Government of India has approved the plan and is in the process of implementing it.
A separate Ministry of Information Technology was set up to expedite swift approval and implementation of IT projects and to streamline the regulatory process.
Information Technology Act 2000: The Information Technology Bill that was passed in the Indian Parliament in May 2000, has now been notified as the IT Act 2000. The IT Bill brings E-commerce within the purview of law and accords stringent punishments to "cyber criminals". With this, India joins a select band of 12 nations that have cyber laws.

Software Technology Parks of India offer world-class infrastructure and various incentives and concessions to encourage foreign investment and promote software development in India eg 100% Foreign equity is permitted and approved under the Automatic Route delegated powers to The Director STPI, tax holiday until 2010, etc.
India has a stable government and is one of the world's 10 fastest-growing economies



Fifty years of democracy
Indian service sector contributes a massive 51 per cent to India 's GDP. Within this category, the most promising is computer software export, which grew at an amazing rate of 40-50 per cent every year during the 1990s
Excellent investment potential: India ranked third in Asia, just after Japan and China , in terms of investment potential for the next 10-year period in a study by the Export-Import bank of Japan
Privatization of the infrastructure sector
A convergent network is being created by the intertwining of the ISP, Telecom, VSAT, Cellular and networking sectors. India 's large business houses and Public Sector Units are working towards creating greater bandwidth availability

[nysa]

Some points from my side ( related to IT only):




India is a talent-rich country: outsource IT talent
India exports software to 95 countries around the world: outsource expertise in global methodologies
India enjoys the confidence of global corporations: outsource high quality brain-power!




82% of the US companies ranked India as their first choice for software outsourcing
Bill Clinton applauds India 's brainpower: says Indian-Americans run more than 750 companies in America 's Silicon Valley . "You liberated your markets and now you have one of the 10 fastest growing economies in the world," said President Clinton.
Bill Gates says India is an IT superpower: strikes strategic alliances with Wipro and Infosys to develop applications on the .Net platform
Jack Welch opens $130 million Technology Center in Bangalore , GE's largest R&D center outside the US : celebrates 10 years of GE Medical Systems in India
India Offers Multiple Advantages




Outsource to stay competitive. Leading companies worldwide realize that to maintain stay ahead, they need to reduce costs, provide the best quality, use the latest high-tech skills, and be reliable and innovative
Outsource to a mature industry with world-class systems, systems and quality. Of the 23 software companies in the world that have achieved the prestigious SEI-CMM Level 5, 15 of them are Indian. India will soon have the highest number of ISO-9000 software companies in the world, according to Nasscom
India has state-of-the-art technologies for total solutions: outsource turnkey projects

Offshore assignments have moved up the value chain - from data entry to large and complex turnkey projects of 200 to 300 person years.
Applications include:



E-Commerce
Business Process Re-engineering
System Migration
Maintaining Legacy Systems
System Integration
CBI Application
"India, US sign deals worth US $6 billion "

"India bid to boost to bilateral economic ties, with Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee in the US, India and the US have signed five commercial deals worth US $6 billion for projects in power, e-commerce and banking sectors."
IT is a major thrust area for the Government of India




IT is one of the Government of India's top five priorities.
The National IT Task Force submitted its 108 point Action Plan to promote IT in the country. The Government of India has approved the plan and is in the process of implementing it.
A separate Ministry of Information Technology was set up to expedite swift approval and implementation of IT projects and to streamline the regulatory process.
Information Technology Act 2000: The Information Technology Bill that was passed in the Indian Parliament in May 2000, has now been notified as the IT Act 2000. The IT Bill brings E-commerce within the purview of law and accords stringent punishments to "cyber criminals". With this, India joins a select band of 12 nations that have cyber laws.
Software Technology Parks of India offer world-class infrastructure and various incentives and concessions to encourage foreign investment and promote software development in India eg 100% Foreign equity is permitted and approved under the Automatic Route delegated powers to The Director STPI, tax holiday until 2010, etc.
India has a stable government and is one of the world's 10 fastest-growing economies




Fifty years of democracy
Indian service sector contributes a massive 51 per cent to India 's GDP. Within this category, the most promising is computer software export, which grew at an amazing rate of 40-50 per cent every year during the 1990s
Excellent investment potential: India ranked third in Asia, just after Japan and China , in terms of investment potential for the next 10-year period in a study by the Export-Import bank of Japan
Privatization of the infrastructure sector
A convergent network is being created by the intertwining of the ISP, Telecom, VSAT, Cellular and networking sectors. India 's large business houses and Public Sector Units are working towards creating greater bandwidth availability



Adding on to what has rightly been put above...

there could be many reasons why I m proud of India, but would only say..


I am proud to be born in a nation which has a strong and deep rooted cutural heritage and values.(now before some of you roll your eyes)..tell me which other civilization has survived 5000 yrs.(it could be more ??) ..which works as a spiritual catalyst, which is touted to be the next ECO-boom...and thankfully not an empty utensil..



reminds me of a few lines of IQBAAL..

"Unaano, misr, rumaan..sab mitt gaye jahan se..
kuchh baat hai k hasti mitt ti nahin humari..

sadiyon raha hai dushman daure jahan humara.."


For those who talk about in efficient society...give one example which other country is without flaws and what exactly you have done about it ? Its easy to pass the buck rather than take the responsibility.

Coming to corrupt politician/ govt..voted by illiterates, I wonder where this educated class vanishes when its the time to choose the right representatives:confused:..during every election why their turn-out is so low in comparision to those illeterates, if they r so much concerned about the rottening situation ?:(

If my society has rotten its coz of me. Who makes the society or this govt.people like you and me.If I am affected by its degradation, first and foremost I'll have to bring a change in me .


Having said that, I m not denying or turning a blind eye toward the shortcomings, but mere bickering and sitting in comfort zone of our homes will not change the situation either.

"gandagi saaf karne k liye usme utarna padta hai":)

lastly, read somewhere..
"A tree must love the ground on which it stands...":)

[mukeshkumar007]

If my society has rotten its coz of me. Who makes the society or this govt.people like you and me.If I am affected by its degradation, first and foremost I'll have to bring a change in me .



Nice thoughts indeed.. but while speaking frankly there are hardly 1 percent ppl out of total population who think on these lines.. and out of them majority are such that they only speak or should I say “lip service” (u can observe it on jatland too).. Now u urself can see how bright the future is.

Fault is not in the system but it lies with ppl.. as u have already said its only we, the citizen of this country, who should be blamed for such a distorted present.

Now to expect that there will be any kind of miracle at the level of thought process of the ppl then it would be just hoping against the hope.

So the bottom line is that we left with only one solution and that is the change in the governing system. Current parliamentary system of government works well only where the public is responsible and aware of their duties. It is not suitable to India.

[rajivsp]

yuN hi gar rota raha 'Ghalib', to ae ahl-e-jahaaN
dekhna in bastiyoN ko tum ki veeraaN ho gayiN

[nysa]

[Nice thoughts indeed.. but while speaking frankly there are hardly 1 percent ppl out of total population who think on these lines.. and out of them majority are such that they only speak or should I say “lip service” (u can observe it on jatland too).. Now u urself can see how bright the future is.]

you are right wen you talk about the lip service..

per meri samjh mein to ek baat aawe hai...

"agar mere ghar mein aag laag ri hai..to manne k karna chahiye??"

aag bhujhaani chahiye ,,ya padosiyan k ghar mein ja k hai-hai machani chahiye??:confused:

haan ho sake hai ..ak shayad main akele uss aag ne na bhujha paau..per kam te kam koshish to karungi ..ya nahin :)

**ppl may differ on this as, one is entitled to one's opinion ..n so m I.

[ygulia]

[Nice thoughts indeed.. but while speaking frankly there are hardly 1 percent ppl out of total population who think on these lines.. and out of them majority are such that they only speak or should I say “lip service” (u can observe it on jatland too).. Now u urself can see how bright the future is.]

you are right wen you talk about the lip service..

per meri samjh mein to ek baat aawe hai...

"agar mere ghar mein aag laag ri hai..to manne k karna chahiye??"

aag bhujhaani chahiye ,,ya padosiyan k ghar mein ja k hai-hai machani chahiye??:confused:

haan ho sake hai ..ak shayad main akele uss aag ne na bhujha paau..per kam te kam koshish to karungi ..ya nahin :)

**ppl may differ on this as, one is entitled to one's opinion ..n so m I.

I really appreciate your thought and explanation.

[rajivsp]

FACTS TO MAKE EVERY Indian PROUD





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Q. Who is the GM of Hewlett Packard (hp) ?


A. Rajiv Gupta



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Q. Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90% of the today's computers run on it)?
A. Vinod Dahm

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Q. Who is the third richest man on the world?
A. According to the latest report on Fortune Magazine, it is Azim Premji, who is the CEO of Wipro Industries. The Sultan of Brunei is at 6 th position now.
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Q. Who is the founder and creator of Hotmail (Hotmail is world's No.1 web based email program)?
A. Sabeer Bhatia
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Q. Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the creator of program languages such as C, C++, Unix to name a few)?
A. Arun Netravalli


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Q. Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000, responsible to iron out all initial problems?


A. Sanjay Tejwrika
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Q. Who are the Chief Executives of CitiBank, Mckensey & Stanchart?
A. Victor Menezes, Rajat Gupta, and Rana Talwar.

Q. We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America , even faring better than the whites and the natives.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.


12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.


34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are! Indians.

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Some of the following facts may be known to you. These facts were recently published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS ABOUT INDIA .
1. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history.
2. India invented the Number system. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta.
3. The world's first University was established in Takshila in 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4 th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.
4. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software.

5. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.
6. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty striken and underdeveloped through political corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth.

7. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The very word 'Navigation' is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH.
8. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is now k! nown as the Pythagorean Theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan's works dates to the 6 th Century which is long before the European mathematicians.

9. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India . Quadratic equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11 th Century; the largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used numbers as big as 10 53.
10.. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world.

11. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.
12. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra.

13. Chess was invented in India ..


14. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones.. Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India .
15. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley ( Indus Valley Civilisation).
16. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC.

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Quotes about India ..


We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.
Albert Einstein.




India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the great grand mother of tradition.
Mark Twain.



If there is one place on the face of earth where all dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India .
French scholar Romain Rolland.



India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.
Hu Shih


(former Chinese ambassador to USA )




ALL OF THE ABOVE IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, THE LIST COULD BE ENDLESS.
BUT, if we don't see even a glimpse of that great India in the India that we see today, it clearly means that we are not working up to our potential; and that if we do, we could once again be an evershining and inspiring country setting a bright path for rest of the world to follow..
I hope you enjoyed it and work towards the welfare of INDIA ..




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[steotia]

I could go on and on about the things that DO NOT make me proud of India. But I will stick to the major issues I have (and please, I know that no country or society is perfect, all systems have flaws, but since we are talking about India here…)


(CHILD) PROSTITUTION
People talk about the “moral values” in India; I call it hypocrisy!
(City Population Prostitute Population
Bombay 10 million 100,000
Calcutta 9 million 100,000
Delhi 7 million 40,000
Agra 3 million 40,000)
A survey conducted by Indian Health Organization of a red light area of Bombay shows:
1. 20% of the one lakh prostitutes are children.
2. 25% of the child prostitutes had been abducted and sold.
3. 6% had been raped and sold.
4. 8% had been sold by their fathers after forcing them into incestuous relationships.
5. 2 lakh minor girls between ages 9yrs-20yrs were brought every year from Nepal to India and 20,000 of them are in Bombay brothels.
6. 15% to 18% are adolescents between 13 yrs and 18 yrs.
7. 15% of the women in prostitution have been sold by their husbands
8. Of 200m suffering from sexually transmitted diseases in the world 50m alone were in India.
These women and children are there because there is a demand for their services. Indians look at the west and think of themselves as morally superior because theirs is not an open society (sex before marriage, porn, etc. are taboos). When a woman walks on the road in India (even traditionally dressed), you can find an unlimited amount of leering and crude remarks, sexual innuendos, etc. While in the west you could walk around half naked and the worst that would happen is that people would give you a strange look and you might get arrested for indecent exposure.


CHILDLABOUR
India has the largest number of children under the age of 15 in work in the world. According to an Indian census (this was in 1991 but I doubt if the numbers now are much better), there were 11.28 million working children under the age of fourteen years in India.



FEMALE FOETICIDE/INFANTICIDE
This does not just occur amongst the poor and illiterate. Medium class and well to do families with their unrational desire for a son are as much to blame.


CARING OF OUR ELDERS
In the West, you are lord and master of your own property till you die; in India the children are already demanding their “HISSA” while the parents are still alive and kicking! And after these people do distribute their property, they are left to the mercy of their children. And I am sure every one of us has heard of the misery that this social structure or way of thinking has created for countless of old people. And certainly in our rural JAT community!
In India people say that in the West old people are shoved off into old people’s homes and their kids don’t care. Well, their kids do care. When both husband and wife have a full time job and the kids are in school and have their own activities, what is the best solution for everyone concerned? Well tell me, what would you prefer when you are old? A home where you are taken care of, with other people your age, where you are kept mentally and physically active OR living with your son/family and be just tolerated, ignored or even in certain instances downright abused (verbally and possibly even physically).

And I could go on and on…

[rajivsp]

BBC is there to just highlight the dark part of our Country. They do not show documentaries on riches of India but the poorest......... I don't know what is their intention in this........

As far as we proud of something extra ordinary we have, But if we do not have that particular thing then we will not say why we dont feel proud to...........

We feel proud to be Indian coz. Ghandhi India........
But we dont feel proud to be Indian coz. not a single Gandhi born after 1869.........
But we dont feel proud to be Indian coz. not a single effile tower we made......... And the list will be bigger than that of yours........


DOnt compare India with Europe

Indian suffered 1000 years of slavery.........

Europe 100% lateracy is there

if you see 100 years old europe, it might be worst than todays' India...........

[cooljat]

Dear Seemaji,

Indeed thought provoking n eye opening facts, I second ur thoughts very much here!

I dont get one thing, why do so called pseudo proud Indians keep drum beating about the ancient Indian culture and feel happy about it :rolleyes: .., I agree that we have oldest & finest culture n hertiage and am proud of it as well ... but I wonder how many of our countrymen try to follow them?

It reminds me of a scene from a very gud but flop movie Swadesh in which when SRK talks about the probs & critcize the social evils ... the elder ppl of village kinda become reluctant ... keep beating the drum that we've sucha rich culture n ancient hertiage and all world accepts .. balah!balah!... then SRK says stop living in past, talk about present .... where we're n find out the shortcoming and lets do efforts to improve n rectify them!!

Well, 'Dil ko behlane ko galib khayal acha hai'... so comeon guys open ur eyes ... n lets talk about both bright side & dark side of it n accept the realism!! Lets not be escapist!; n figureout n accept the real issues !

Here talking about the ancient India n about the few successful ppl doesnt make India worth prouding ... we should give in serious efforts to make it!


But I feel helpless to see, not a single damn person care about his/her duties & about civil sense ... So I find it a far away dream ...


way to go!...


Rock on
Jit



I could go on and on about the things that DO NOT make me proud of India. But I will stick to the major issues I have (and please, I know that no country or society is perfect, all systems have flaws, but since we are talking about India here…)


(CHILD) PROSTITUTION
People talk about the “moral values” in India; I call it hypocrisy!
(City Population Prostitute Population
Bombay 10 million 100,000
Calcutta 9 million 100,000
Delhi 7 million 40,000
Agra 3 million 40,000)
A survey conducted by Indian Health Organization of a red light area of Bombay shows:
1. 20% of the one lakh prostitutes are children.
2. 25% of the child prostitutes had been abducted and sold.
3. 6% had been raped and sold.
4. 8% had been sold by their fathers after forcing them into incestuous relationships.
5. 2 lakh minor girls between ages 9yrs-20yrs were brought every year from Nepal to India and 20,000 of them are in Bombay brothels.
6. 15% to 18% are adolescents between 13 yrs and 18 yrs.
7. 15% of the women in prostitution have been sold by their husbands
8. Of 200m suffering from sexually transmitted diseases in the world 50m alone were in India.
These women and children are there because there is a demand for their services. Indians look at the west and think of themselves as morally superior because theirs is not an open society (sex before marriage, porn, etc. are taboos). When a woman walks on the road in India (even traditionally dressed), you can find an unlimited amount of leering and crude remarks, sexual innuendos, etc. While in the west you could walk around half naked and the worst that would happen is that people would give you a strange look and you might get arrested for indecent exposure.


CHILDLABOUR
India has the largest number of children under the age of 15 in work in the world. According to an Indian census (this was in 1991 but I doubt if the numbers now are much better), there were 11.28 million working children under the age of fourteen years in India.



FEMALE FOETICIDE/INFANTICIDE
This does not just occur amongst the poor and illiterate. Medium class and well to do families with their unrational desire for a son are as much to blame.


CARING OF OUR ELDERS
In the West, you are lord and master of your own property till you die; in India the children are already demanding their “HISSA” while the parents are still alive and kicking! And after these people do distribute their property, they are left to the mercy of their children. And I am sure every one of us has heard of the misery that this social structure or way of thinking has created for countless of old people. And certainly in our rural JAT community!
In India people say that in the West old people are shoved off into old people’s homes and their kids don’t care. Well, their kids do care. When both husband and wife have a full time job and the kids are in school and have their own activities, what is the best solution for everyone concerned? Well tell me, what would you prefer when you are old? A home where you are taken care of, with other people your age, where you are kept mentally and physically active OR living with your son/family and be just tolerated, ignored or even in certain instances downright abused (verbally and possibly even physically).

And I could go on and on…

[JyotiSandhu]

According 2 me each n evry person has emotional attachment with d place where he or she is born not only persons even animals hav attachment 2 d place where they r reard...........so same is d case with country,dese r our emotional sentiments which binds us 2 our country n v feel proud 2 b d citizens of our country.

Its not d compulsion or as sumbody above has said v dont hav ne other alternative dats y v stay with our parens ,according 2 me its our emotional attachment due 2 which v stay with them n its natural .

Thanks

[spdeshwal]

Jyoti ji

i agree with what you want to convey in your first post, although the information/ data is very old.
But the point i would like to make here is, does it help to look down upon your own country, try through search engines for its short comings. We all know that our is country with numerous shortcomings, multitude of problems, corruption every where. But there are numerous good things in our country. Things that should make us feel proud of. I don't want to google and give a list.

देश प्रेम और देश पर गर्व, ईशवर प्रेम, भक्ति की तरह एक स्वाभाविक जज्बा है , भावना है / आप इसको किसी तराजू में तोल, नफा नुक्सान नही व्यक्त कर सकते / जिस तरह हम ईशवर भक्ति में बिना किसी सुख दुःख की विवेचना के आताम्सात हो जाते हैं या कर लेते हैं , वैसे ही भावः मातृभूमि के प्रेम में व्यक्त करने की, आतमसात करने की लगन ही आपको गौरवानित कर सकती है अन्यथा नही

मेरे बड़े भाई जब कभी घर पर हवन करते हैं तब एक भजन बड़े उत्साह और प्रेम से सुनाते हैं:

सुख भी मुझे प्यारे हैं दुःख भी मुझे प्यारे हैं,
छोडूँ में किसे भगवन दोनों ही तुम्हरे हैं !

भावः यही की जिस तरह ईशवर भक्ति में पूरा समर्पण होता है , कोई शर्त नही , कोई शिकायत नही
उशी तरह देश प्रेम एक निश्छल समर्पित भावना है / देश पर गौरवानित होने के लिए किसी शर्त , शिकवे शिकायत की कोई गुंजाईश नही !

केवल भावविहीन व्यक्ति ही ये कह सकता है की उससे उपने देश पर गौरवाभाश नही!

मुझे याद नही ये कविता , सनेही जी की है या मैथलीशरण गुप्त जी की पर में यहाँ लिखना चाहूँगा :

भरा नही जो भावों से, बहती जिस में रस धार नही
हृदय नही वो पत्थर है , जिस में स्वदेश का प्यार नही !


खुश रहो !

[positivelook]

India is already more advanced in field of telecommunication.
Already work is under progress to create various corridors for linking regions for road transportation. This sector needs little more pace of work.
Middle class population has increased manifold
foreign exchange reserves are excellent
foreign investment is increasing at faster rate
There are various other economic indicators which points towards the economic progress.
Power sector needs attention: This problem can be solved up to a large extent if nuclear deal is signed
And the list goes on………………….

What abt these point:

Lack of education and literacy level is poor.
Poor infrastructure and not even rural roads even urban roads are in bad shape.
Foreign investment is increasing but is it making poors rich.
Nuclear deal can only solve upto 10% of power crisis.
Oil subsidy still prevails what will happen when oil subsidy will not be there.
1.2 billion people but still waits for gold medal in olympics.
40 crores still below povrty line how will they recover from this line.
Poliics still revolves around Gandhi parivaar how it can be better if it is miserable from last 60 years under this parivaar.
Very good in telecommuication but still youth of india lacks behind in information.
People still follows all these Gurus like asaram and radha swami and dera-saccha sauda and they hardly benefit them.
I just wanna point out all these drawbacks but that doesnt mean that i dont love my country or i m not proud to be a Indian, yes i m proud but still i think there are lots of things going on there still whih i also feel ashamed on.

Abhimanyu Phougat

[cooljat]

Abhi Bro, Kudos to you ... Indeed a sensible reply that makes lotta sense! :)

One should be Realistic as well as Chauvinistic! period.

Rock on
Jit



What abt these point:

Lack of education and literacy level is poor.
Poor infrastructure and not even rural roads even urban roads are in bad shape.
Foreign investment is increasing but is it making poors rich.
Nuclear deal can only solve upto 10% of power crisis.
Oil subsidy still prevails what will happen when oil subsidy will not be there.
1.2 billion people but still waits for gold medal in olympics.
40 crores still below povrty line how will they recover from this line.
Poliics still revolves around Gandhi parivaar how it can be better if it is miserable from last 60 years under this parivaar.
Very good in telecommuication but still youth of india lacks behind in information.
People still follows all these Gurus like asaram and radha swami and dera-saccha sauda and they hardly benefit them.
I just wanna point out all these drawbacks but that doesnt mean that i dont love my country or i m not proud to be a Indian, yes i m proud but still i think there are lots of things going on there still whih i also feel ashamed on.

Abhimanyu Phougat

[ygulia]

What abt these point:

Lack of education and literacy level is poor.
Poor infrastructure and not even rural roads even urban roads are in bad shape.
Foreign investment is increasing but is it making poors rich.
Nuclear deal can only solve upto 10% of power crisis.
Oil subsidy still prevails what will happen when oil subsidy will not be there.
1.2 billion people but still waits for gold medal in olympics.
40 crores still below povrty line how will they recover from this line.
Poliics still revolves around Gandhi parivaar how it can be better if it is miserable from last 60 years under this parivaar.
Very good in telecommuication but still youth of india lacks behind in information.
People still follows all these Gurus like asaram and radha swami and dera-saccha sauda and they hardly benefit them.
I just wanna point out all these drawbacks but that doesnt mean that i dont love my country or i m not proud to be a Indian, yes i m proud but still i think there are lots of things going on there still whih i also feel ashamed on.

Abhimanyu Phougat


Mr. Abhimanyu
Do not compare India with Western world. Do not forget that we got freedom just 60 years back. It took 200 years for the Western world to reach where they are now today. Have patience.

[mukeshkumar007]

भरा नही जो भावों से, बहती जिस में रस धार नही
हृदय नही वो पत्थर है , जिस में स्वदेश का प्यार नही !
!
har koi yeh pankatiya dohrata hai.. ek sanik bi inhi ko follow karta huwa apni jaan kurban kar deta hai lakin peeche uski puri family zindagi bhar ke liye mushibat utate hai.. jaise ki col uncle ne keha ki war maie sheed huwe sanik ki vidhwa pension ke liye bhekh mangati rehti hai.. society bi jaldi hi bhool jati hai.. yeh dekh kar yeh pankatiya bogus lagti hai sachi maie...

baat problem ki nai hai, baat adversities ki nai hai..baat hai soch ki.. jo ki bhot hi ghatiya ho gai aaj ke time chahe government ho ya pir jantaa..

[anilsinghd]

chahe government ho ya pir jantaa..


and they are us only ! :)

[spdeshwal]

What abt these point:

Lack of education and literacy level is poor.
Poor infrastructure and not even rural roads even urban roads are in bad shape.
Foreign investment is increasing but is it making poors rich.
Nuclear deal can only solve upto 10% of power crisis.
Oil subsidy still prevails what will happen when oil subsidy will not be there.
1.2 billion people but still waits for gold medal in olympics.
40 crores still below povrty line how will they recover from this line.
Poliics still revolves around Gandhi parivaar how it can be better if it is miserable from last 60 years under this parivaar.
Very good in telecommuication but still youth of india lacks behind in information.
People still follows all these Gurus like asaram and radha swami and dera-saccha sauda and they hardly benefit them.
I just wanna point out all these drawbacks but that doesnt mean that i dont love my country or i m not proud to be a Indian, yes i m proud but still i think there are lots of things going on there still whih i also feel ashamed on.

Abhimanyu Phougat

Bhai Abhimanyu,

I agree with you in total, there are still problems and those would take years and years to reach to the desired level. At the same time, I would like say that we must learn to appreciate what we have. As your Id suggests, Positivelook. I mean look positive think positive and act positive, than only we can have some positives in personal life as well as in public life. How much energy we waste in criticizing and not making a small positive contribution?

Arr bhai Abhimanyu, yo Olympic mei Gold medal ka akaal sa ibke ye mahare Bhiwani aale chhore jaroor todenge, mera dil keh se!


भाई मुकेश
इन पंक्तियों को केवल दोहराने से काम नही चलता , महसूस करना पड़ता है , जीना पड़ता है
तभी एक जवान अपनी जान देश पर न्योछावर करता है / उस समय वो कोई तर्क नही करता
उस समय वो घायल अवस्था में भी यही संदेश अपने कमांडर से कहता है , " ये दिल मांगे मोरे "

आपने जो बात कर्नल साहेब के हवाले से कही है , वो एक उपवाद ही हो सकता है
फ़िर भी निंदनीय है. कारन चाहे परवारिक कलह , या वयवस्था तन्त्र का फेल होना !

आप अपनी मेहनत का प्रतिफल न मिलने से कुंठित हैं या किसी और वजह से , इतना जरुर है आपको यहाँ भी और अपने निजी जीवन में भी सकरतम सोचने की जरूरत है

अब आप इसे विधि की विधान कहिये , या शाररिक सरंचना का कमाल, कि में , चाहे जंहा भी रहूँ , चाहे जैसा भी दीखता हूँ
भारतीय ही रहूँगा, एक जाट ही रहूँगा / कंही से मेरी खाल खुरच लो, डीएनए पुकार २ कर कहेगा में जाट हूँ , भारतीय हूँ
अब जब में अपनी असली पहचान बदल ही नही सकता , तब जो है उसे मन से क्यों ने सवीकार करूं, क्यों ने उस पर गुमान करूँ !

आप एक बहुत ही होनहार नोजवान हैं, सकारात्मक सोचिये ! कुवय्वास्था के ख़िलाफ़ आपका गुस्सा जायज, पर उसे रातों रात तो सुधार नही जा सकता / अपने स्तर पर प्रयास करते रहिये !


खुश रहो!

[VPannu]

Well, the question raised here is "Why to feel proud to be an Indian". Simply, Because thats your motherland.
All you whingers in this thread, do you remember जननी जन्मभूमिश्च स्वर्गात अपि गरीयसी ! means your mother and your motherland are greater than the heaven. They're on top of everything else. If you don't feel proud then shut the hell up and watch the world. You are talking about rape, corruption, murders, crime and what not. I ask you "Where DOES NOT these happen?". Its everywhere. You find more crime in India simply because of more population. Mathematically speaking, crime is directly proportional to the population. ;) Lesser the people, less is the crime.
मेरा भारत महान !
जय हिंद और जय हिंद की सेना !

[VivekGathwala]

[quote=positivelook;175327]What abt these point:

Lack of education and literacy level is poor.
Poor infrastructure and not even rural roads even urban roads are in bad shape.
Foreign investment is increasing but is it making poors rich.
Nuclear deal can only solve upto 10% of power crisis.
Oil subsidy still prevails what will happen when oil subsidy will not be there.
1.2 billion people but still waits for gold medal in olympics.
40 crores still below povrty line how will they recover from this line.
Poliics still revolves around Gandhi parivaar how it can be better if it is miserable from last 60 years under this parivaar.
Very good in telecommuication but still youth of india lacks behind in information.
People still follows all these Gurus like asaram and radha swami and dera-saccha sauda and they hardly benefit them.


we said brother and all your points are appriciable .

[VivekGathwala]

but i personally feel proud to be indian n u all guyz too


regrds
vivek

[captparry]

Hey Guys some thoughts which i thought sud share with u ppl..............................

How you play with us, did you ever see?

At Seven, I had decided what I wanted to be;
I would serve you to the end,
All these boundaries I would defend.

Now you make me look like a fool,
When at Seventeen and just out of school;
Went to the place where they made 'men out of boys'
Lived a tough life sacrificed a few joys

In those days, I would see my 'civilian' friends,
Living a life with the fashion trends;
Enjoying their so called 'College Days'
While I sweated and bled in the sun and haze
But I never thought twice about what where or why
All I knew was when the time came, I'd be ready to do or die.

At 21 and with my commission in hand,
Under the glory of the parade and the band,
I took the oath to protect you over land, air or sea,
And make the supreme sacrifice when the need came to be.

I stood there with a sense of recognition,
But on that day I never had the premonition,
that when the time came to give me my due,
You'd just say,' What is so great that you do?'

Long back you promised a well to do life;
And when I'm away, take care of my wife.
You came and saw the hardships I live through,
And I saw you make a note or two,
And I hoped you would realise the worth of me;
but now I know you'll never be able to see,
Because you only see the glorified life of mine,
Did you see the place where death looms all the time?
Did you meet the man standing guard in the snow?
The name of his newborn he does not know...
Did you meet the man whose father breathed his last?
While the sailor patrolled our seas so vast?

You still know I'll not be the one to raise my voice
I will stand tall and protect you in Punjab Himachal and Thois.

But that's just me you have in the sun and rain,
For now at Twenty Four, you make me think again;
About the decision I made, Seven years back;
Should I have chosen another life, some other track?

Will I tell my son to follow my lead?
Will I tell my son, you'll get all that you need?
This is the country you will serve
This country will give you all that you deserve?

I heard you tell the world ' India is shining'
I told my men, that's a reason for us to be smiling
This is the India you and I will defend!
But tell me how long will you be able to pretend?
You go on promise all that you may,
But it's the souls of your own men you betray.

Did you read how some of our eminent citizens
Write about me and ridicule my very existence?
I ask you to please come and see what I do,
Come and have a look at what I go through
Live my life just for a day
Maybe you'll have something else to say?

I will still risk my life without a sigh
To keep your flag flying high
but today I ask myself a question or two

Oh India . Why do I still serve you?

[vijay]

Hey Guys some thoughts which i thought sud share with u ppl..............................

How you play with us, did you ever see?

At Seven, I had decided what I wanted to be;
I would serve you to the end,
All these boundaries I would defend.

Now you make me look like a fool,
When at Seventeen and just out of school;
Went to the place where they made 'men out of boys'
Lived a tough life sacrificed a few joys

In those days, I would see my 'civilian' friends,
Living a life with the fashion trends;
Enjoying their so called 'College Days'
While I sweated and bled in the sun and haze
But I never thought twice about what where or why
All I knew was when the time came, I'd be ready to do or die.

At 21 and with my commission in hand,
Under the glory of the parade and the band,
I took the oath to protect you over land, air or sea,
And make the supreme sacrifice when the need came to be.

I stood there with a sense of recognition,
But on that day I never had the premonition,
that when the time came to give me my due,
You'd just say,' What is so great that you do?'

Long back you promised a well to do life;
And when I'm away, take care of my wife.
You came and saw the hardships I live through,
And I saw you make a note or two,
And I hoped you would realise the worth of me;
but now I know you'll never be able to see,
Because you only see the glorified life of mine,
Did you see the place where death looms all the time?
Did you meet the man standing guard in the snow?
The name of his newborn he does not know...
Did you meet the man whose father breathed his last?
While the sailor patrolled our seas so vast?

You still know I'll not be the one to raise my voice
I will stand tall and protect you in Punjab Himachal and Thois.

But that's just me you have in the sun and rain,
For now at Twenty Four, you make me think again;
About the decision I made, Seven years back;
Should I have chosen another life, some other track?

Will I tell my son to follow my lead?
Will I tell my son, you'll get all that you need?
This is the country you will serve
This country will give you all that you deserve?

I heard you tell the world ' India is shining'
I told my men, that's a reason for us to be smiling
This is the India you and I will defend!
But tell me how long will you be able to pretend?
You go on promise all that you may,
But it's the souls of your own men you betray.

Did you read how some of our eminent citizens
Write about me and ridicule my very existence?
I ask you to please come and see what I do,
Come and have a look at what I go through
Live my life just for a day
Maybe you'll have something else to say?

I will still risk my life without a sigh
To keep your flag flying high
but today I ask myself a question or two

Oh India . Why do I still serve you?




Simply Excellent Bhai :)

[spdeshwal]

Hey Vijay, where had you gone missing?

This poem was posted before on Jatland by Naveen Gullia and there was a lengthy discussion. I am forwarding the link. Anyways, thanks Praveer Bhai for re-posting it here!


http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24774

[vijay]

Hey Vijay, where had you gone missing?



Mein kahan jaaunga Bhai saheb .... just had a break :)

[raj2rif]

Dear All,

However, I don’t feel proud as an Indian when:
• Merit is not honored and corruption thrives.
• Our politicians work against the very preambles of our constitution.
• There is such an increasing gap between the rich and poor.
• When mothers sell their children for as little as Rupees 100 just to feed themselves.
• When materialism buries our value system.
• When old parents are left to die by the children.
• When children are killed by parents in the name of honor.
• Where dowry death increase each passing year.
• When we behave like beasts on the roads.
• Where people only think about themselves.
• When a world champion comes home and has to take an auto rickshaw to go home.
• Where widows of war heroes have to beg for pension, leave alone acceptability.
• Where wife of an Olympian Hockey Gold Medalist has to work as a maid servant to make two ends meet.
• Where there is discrimination on the basis of birth, language, caste and what not.

I can write at least 1000 reasons as to why then one hangs his head in shame. But I have no other choice but to live and die in this land of our forefathers. Therefore, even though every thing stinks, I have to be proud as an INDIAN, of that INDIA that could have been an example to the rest of the world.

Warm regards,

JS Malik

Dear Members,

Some very valuable points have been raised by Col Malik. I am just trying to make an honest attempt to look at these. I am not even sure if I have tried to give a solution to any of them. We all make our choices, and get what we do. Unfortunately the world does not function as we think it should. Here are my views on the questions raised.

However, I don’t feel proud as an Indian when:
• Merit is not honored and corruption thrives.

It is because of this reason, we should all oppose any new reservation and work hard to get rid of the existing one. Unfortunately when it comes to our own personal interests, we do forget the logic part of the problem.

• Our politicians work against the very preambles of our constitution.

And what we have done to ensure that such politicians do not come to power? Or if they did and worked against the constitution, whether or not they were made examples. Once it comes to voting, we finally get back to the cast and personal gains, the society and nation takes the back seat for they can wait. It is preciously because of this reason, they are enjoying at our cost. Easier said than done, but nothing can be done unless it is started. Unfortunately we did not even start.

• There is such an increasing gap between the rich and poor.

We tried to solve it by reservation, we could not bridge this gap, but did create another gap within the society. Who can forget the Mandal Era and our honorable PM Mr. V P Singh. In a capatilist society this will remain a problem. We must encourage the fair competition yet guarding the big fish eating the small fish. Mr. Nehru’s socialistic model did not work here nor it worked in former Soviet Union. No system is perfect, but we do need to find a middle way. What it could be itself is a point for discussion.

• When mothers sell their children for as little as Rupees 100 just to feed themselves.

That is unfortunate, but the reason may not be entirely to get a meal or two out of it. Sometimes mother might have thought of a better future for her child and that could be the driving force. But the fact of the matter is, we as a society should be able to provide two full meals to our folks. How can it be done, again is a matter of discussion.

• When materialism buries our value system.

To most of us the value system is sacred so long it does not affect us. When it does affect most of us materially, we do forget it. We are pretty good at telling others what to do and how to do, but when it comes to our own actions, only the green currency looks visible. Unfortunate but true. We have to get out of our lust for money, power and personal comfort if we really want to do some thing meaningful for the society. The mission to improve the society must remain uppermost in the priorities. Our own personal gains, comfort or any thing personal should come last always and every time. That is the oath we took when we climbed the last step at Chetwood building at IMA.

• When old parents are left to die by the children.

That again comes from the value that we have in society. The time has changed. Most families are two income family. It does not make a financial sense to me one of the child leaving his/her job to take care of the ailing parents, if they can afford the specialized care for the ailing old people. We took care of our mother, but to expect the same from our children would be foolhardiness. If they do it, take it as a bonus and thank them. We must plan while we are still capable of working, to ensure that we take care of ourselves in old age. Difficult, but not impossible. Again it amounts to the expectations from others over which we have no control.

.................... contd on next post.

[raj2rif]

Contd from previous post

• When children are killed by parents in the name of honor.

That is a shame. On this site itself we had seen different views. Killing can’t be justified unless it is a full scale war and against an external aggression. Such people must be brought to justice and made example for the society. In a free democratic world (and that is what most of us want) people should be left free to choose what they want to do so long they don’t break the law of the land, and if the law is weak we need to fix the law itself.

• Where dowry death increase each passing year.

This has been a social evil for long. Now to me, it is other way around as in most cases it is difficult to find out as to who is at fault and who is taking the advantage of the law. The best thing is let people decide whom they want to marry?

• When we behave like beasts on the roads.

Again it is more to do with the execution of the law or law enforcement. We need to make people accountable. Education is most important aspect of it. Sometime people do break the law because the road sign has been covered by the poster/advertisement of a politician or political movement like “Chalo Delhi”. We must ensure that we do have a good road sign posting that is not tempered with and people breaking these are punished heavily for their activities may cause loss of life to themselves as well as others. You make a few examples and the word will spread, that as law enforcement agency we mean business.

• Where people only think about themselves.

Already covered, we are all party to it.

• When a world champion comes home and has to take an auto rickshaw to go home.

I am not too sure about such cases. In a corporate world, people do look only for profits. There are various ways and means a person who has good world recognition can earn a living. Sometimes it is the approach of the person or may be hard negotiation by the person himself may lead to such a situation. It was possible in the past, but with the media is being overactive as it is today, I feel there should be less chances of this happening unless person adopts it as a preferred profession. In any case pulling rickshaw is a better profession than stealing.

• Where widows of war heroes have to beg for pension, leave alone acceptability.

That is an issue. Bureaucracy has been the cause of trouble always, but at the same time we all are responsible for creating these problems. More often than not, it comes to sharing of the proceeds between widow and parents of the deceased. Again for our personal gains we do forget the pain of the widow as well as the parents including the widow and parents themselves. We have already discussed the values and personal interests earlier.

• Where wife of an Olympian Hockey Gold Medalist has to work as a maid servant to make two ends meet.

That is unfortunate, but again there might be more to it than what meets the eye.

• Where there is discrimination on the basis of birth, language, caste and what not.

Reservation issue once again.

The purpose of giving point by point answer to these problems is not to dilute the validity of the points raised, but to get to the inner cell of our own soul to search for the solution. The simplest thing that we can all do is to refrain ourselves from these activities and spread the word around about these evils. I personally feel that most people if educated about these evils and shown that long term impact they might have on themselves, will start thinking about others. Till then let us keep discussing and keep trying to find the solution. We can all be proud as well as ashamed of our country, but then what is country: are we not part of it? Are we not the country? Let us try and get the shame part out of our lives. I am sure if we all keep trying it, we will be very satisfied people and would have sound sleep at night.

[deepshi]

but cant comprehend this country-idolising
i think my respect/love for this country is gradually deteriorating

yeah i LOVE it the way it was...when life was simple n innocent. As depicted in epics and history books. when there was space, resources, respect, values.
but see it NOW,,from a visitors perspective maybe..
its rotten

yeah i LOVE being a jat n will always be proud of it,, obsessed with my culture...but regret being an Indian in todays world.

[ygulia]

but cant comprehend this country-idolising
i think my respect/love for this country is gradually deteriorating

yeah i LOVE it the way it was...when life was simple n innocent. As depicted in epics and history books. when there was space, resources, respect, values.
but see it NOW,,from a visitors perspective maybe..
its rotten

yeah i LOVE being a jat n will always be proud of it,, obsessed with my culture...but regret being an Indian in todays world.

If you are not born and brought up in India then you comments may be correct upto certain extent otherwise not acceptable from a prudent person.

[deepshi]

Well, i was born n brought up in India (n that too New Delhi-originals from there !,,even that cudnt allay my disgust )only...but never felt belonged there..or take pride for anything---except for my village/villages, the wonderful unpretentious humorous people there, our green farmlands.

Apart from that, INDIA IS ROTTEN
cmon,,,take it with a pinch of salt
IT IS MISERABLE..dont want to repeat my previous post typed a month ago i think

N a badge of approval/acceptance from any fellow jatlander wud be the last thing on my mind!

can manage to survive without that!!!

[raj2rif]

Well, i was born n brought up in India (n that too New Delhi-originals from there !,,even that cudnt allay my disgust )only...but never felt belonged there..or take pride for anything---except for my village/villages, the wonderful unpretentious humorous people there, our green farmlands.

Apart from that, INDIA IS ROTTEN
cmon,,,take it with a pinch of salt
IT IS MISERABLE..dont want to repeat my previous post typed a month ago i think

N a badge of approval/acceptance from any fellow jatlander wud be the last thing on my mind!

can manage to survive without that!!!

Dear Ms. Deepshi,

You are one of the few privileged born and brought up in Capital City, where the facilities were the best as compared to the rest of the country. You love your village for you must have been there only during your vacations and must have seen only the humorous and welcome part of it. The real life is different.

No doubt there are many bad things in our country (so are they in most of the other countries as well), but there are a lot of good things as well. But let us for now talk only about bad things. Let me ask you one simple question, please mention a bad thing and tell us what did you do to improve it? even if it was just to raise a voice.

Most of us call things rotten, but forget that more often than not we are also responsible for those things as they stand today. We might not change the entire society, but we can do our bit and feel at least satisfied that I did what I could. Things look good when we have no responsibilities. They become difficult when we are expected to share the responsibilities. It looks to me that things looked good to you when your parents were responsible for your comfort and livelihood. The same thing looks bad when one has to earn it. I might be wrong, but that is what it looks to me, for your post is very short and does not explain your experience.

Let me give you a little example. We had a Maj Gen (Retd) visiting us in remote areas of Kashmir in 1982. This officer had fought in 1947-48 with our battalion. He remembered every thing, and recognized each hill that he fought so long ago. We were about to leave one day after the breakfast, his wife was getting ready and him and me were standing outside. He was smoking a cigarette. After he finished his cigarette, he put it off by putting in the sand and kept the bud in his pocket. He did not leave the garbage behind. Now try and recollect your experience. How many times you might have cursed the dirt on the road, but thrown your own garbage on the road. That is the little work we all can do, it does not cost fortunes, but can improve the quality of life manifold.

Your desire not to have approval/ badge/ disapproval of your views is also passive in nature. To me it looks like “who cares attitude”. That is fine, but remember you don’t progress with passivity. A little quote from military books, “by defending you can avoid defeat, but don’t achieve victory”.:)

[ygulia]

Well, i was born n brought up in India (n that too New Delhi-originals from there !,,even that cudnt allay my disgust )only...but never felt belonged there..or take pride for anything---except for my village/villages, the wonderful unpretentious humorous people there, our green farmlands.

Apart from that, INDIA IS ROTTEN
cmon,,,take it with a pinch of salt
IT IS MISERABLE..dont want to repeat my previous post typed a month ago i think

N a badge of approval/acceptance from any fellow jatlander wud be the last thing on my mind!

can manage to survive without that!!!

Now things are clear.
If you have taken Australian Citizenship then please do not visit India.
You did the same act: jis thaali mei khaya usi ko thokar maar di.

[gaganjat]

Its gud u r out of india. there are enough people in India already,dont need any rubbish

I still cant believe how someone can hate their own country so much.

what do u do in Australia for ur bread and butter? R u living here or on work visa or something?

if u can disrespect ur own country that much , u have no self esteem.

understand the difference between disrespecting and critisizing.

i believe u r frustated from life, better seek some professional help.




Well, i was born n brought up in India (n that too New Delhi-originals from there !,,even that cudnt allay my disgust )only...but never felt belonged there..or take pride for anything---except for my village/villages, the wonderful unpretentious humorous people there, our green farmlands.

Apart from that, INDIA IS ROTTEN
cmon,,,take it with a pinch of salt
IT IS MISERABLE..dont want to repeat my previous post typed a month ago i think

N a badge of approval/acceptance from any fellow jatlander wud be the last thing on my mind!

can manage to survive without that!!!

[positivelook]

Bhai global Jat
HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHHAHa................... ......I think whatever ur saying is true.

Abhimanyu Phougat

[positivelook]

Dear Deswal Jee

I know what is the meaning of my ID and thanks to u that u understand this very well. Its not like this that i dont appreciate anything abt India, i really feel proud abt being a Indian. So those points were only for criticising the weakness. Ek DIn aisa bhee ayega kee hum kuch aisa karenge apne desh ke liye kee aap log yeh kahenge YEH KAB AUR KAISE HO GAYA!

Abhimanyu Phougat


Bhai Abhimanyu,

I agree with you in total, there are still problems and those would take years and years to reach to the desired level. At the same time, I would like say that we must learn to appreciate what we have. As your Id suggests, Positivelook. I mean look positive think positive and act positive, than only we can have some positives in personal life as well as in public life. How much energy we waste in criticizing and not making a small positive contribution?

Arr bhai Abhimanyu, yo Olympic mei Gold medal ka akaal sa ibke ye mahare Bhiwani aale chhore jaroor todenge, mera dil keh se!


भाई मुकेश
इन पंक्तियों को केवल दोहराने से काम नही चलता , महसूस करना पड़ता है , जीना पड़ता है
तभी एक जवान अपनी जान देश पर न्योछावर करता है / उस समय वो कोई तर्क नही करता
उस समय वो घायल अवस्था में भी यही संदेश अपने कमांडर से कहता है , " ये दिल मांगे मोरे "

आपने जो बात कर्नल साहेब के हवाले से कही है , वो एक उपवाद ही हो सकता है
फ़िर भी निंदनीय है. कारन चाहे परवारिक कलह , या वयवस्था तन्त्र का फेल होना !

आप अपनी मेहनत का प्रतिफल न मिलने से कुंठित हैं या किसी और वजह से , इतना जरुर है आपको यहाँ भी और अपने निजी जीवन में भी सकरतम सोचने की जरूरत है

अब आप इसे विधि की विधान कहिये , या शाररिक सरंचना का कमाल, कि में , चाहे जंहा भी रहूँ , चाहे जैसा भी दीखता हूँ
भारतीय ही रहूँगा, एक जाट ही रहूँगा / कंही से मेरी खाल खुरच लो, डीएनए पुकार २ कर कहेगा में जाट हूँ , भारतीय हूँ
अब जब में अपनी असली पहचान बदल ही नही सकता , तब जो है उसे मन से क्यों ने सवीकार करूं, क्यों ने उस पर गुमान करूँ !

आप एक बहुत ही होनहार नोजवान हैं, सकारात्मक सोचिये ! कुवय्वास्था के ख़िलाफ़ आपका गुस्सा जायज, पर उसे रातों रात तो सुधार नही जा सकता / अपने स्तर पर प्रयास करते रहिये !


खुश रहो!

[spdeshwal]

Dear Deswal Jee

I know what is the meaning of my ID and thanks to u that u understand this very well. Its not like this that i dont appreciate anything abt India, i really feel proud abt being a Indian. So those points were only for criticising the weakness. Ek DIn aisa bhee ayega kee hum kuch aisa karenge apne desh ke liye kee aap log yeh kahenge YEH KAB AUR KAISE HO GAYA!

Abhimanyu Phougat


I appreciate your spirit and true feelings Abhimanyu Bhai.
I also strongly agree and believe like you That "Hum honge kamyaab ek Deen"
I also strongly believe that You and Gagan will Keep the Indian and Jats flags flying High in Perth!

Gagan, I still remember a true story posted by Dr. Birbal ji and the respone of an Indian father to his half Indian daughter on her disgust full remarks about stray Dogs and cattle roaming around in streets of Jaipur. The Dad's answer was, " Every thing co-exists here".This is the real Indian spirit, that I love , adore and am proud of. Economic development is superficial and doesn't touch the soul of living beings!

You guys are still very young with lots of energy and fire! Keep this spirit and fire alive!

Colonel Saheb, you explained it so very well that I feel people would realize without remaining prejudiced to certain issues with half truth they have been constantly fed by media. For example, I remember some issues regarding problems faced by War widows and widows of some servicemen regarding their pension and final dues. In many such cases, servicemen haven't declared marriage or were married to more than one woman or didn't make a proper declaration of their next of kins.
Issues like this are very emotional and touchy to all of us and every one can get carried away easily. Damage would be done until the real picture emerges.


Cheers!

[deepshi]

This forum is filled with hypocrates
Many are desperate to leave India, amongst themselves complain about neraly everything Indian, damn it and in a puiblic forum- "mera bharat mahan"
Its a crime callimg a spade a spade

PS:i NEVER said i HATE India
its just that I am apathetic

and actually, fakes n perverts need professional help,,, not forthright n starightfwd people who may dare to speak their mind----irrespective of people being aggressive like a mob !
now THIS is the attitude...
enough said.....

[ygulia]

This forum is filled with hypocrates
Many are desperate to leave India, amongst themselves complain about neraly everything Indian, damn it and in a puiblic forum- "mera bharat mahan"
Its a crime callimg a spade a spade

PS:i NEVER said i HATE India
its just that I am apathetic

and actually, fakes n perverts need professional help,,, not forthright n starightfwd people who may dare to speak their mind----irrespective of people being aggressive like a mob !
now THIS is the attitude...
enough said.....
Most of the people who have commented are already out of the country(India) and that too for a long time.
We have spoken our mind. You did not dare to reply to each comment but atleast you came forward with a response and I appreciate it. As far as hypocracy is concerned then you might be on the top because despite your too negative thinking about India, I am sure that you still visit that country.
My advice, improve your thinking and choose the right words to describe any thing.

[deepshi]

Didnt reply to EACH post...coz i never get personal...moreover dont have enough interest in entertaining everyones views/ giving it too much of levage

m not sitting here for character assasination or judge/asess people.
to each his own...
moroevr,, wud NEVER like to come back to India,,,believe me, not saying it in an instant of wrath,,but honestly,,,if only it was not for my relatives and friends, or my ancestral village.

n moreover,,,no one can ban/put a fatwa on me :D

People even go to Somalia or any other malnourished/downtrodden/intriguing country as well to visit (ok..thats going too far now,,no comparisons as such) so i might...

repeating again...to each,his own:) cant change ur views,,neither can u !
no bad blood

[raj_rathee]

Deepshi Madam tae poori chingar rahi sae India se... :D ... mujhe
aisa kyun lagta hai ki deep inside she misses it a lot...:cool:

Vaise, just recently went to India for a short one week trip after a gap of
4/5 years. I continue to believe that that country is really an enigma. Like
so many authors have described it, India leaves one with
all kinds of extreme feelings...on either side of the spectrum...from
fascination to frustration...it just depends on what side anyone
is tuned to focus on.

I think it is an amazingly soulful place. There is something there that connects
us to life and its source. Like someone said, its the one place where
everything seems to coexist. If there be such a thing as God, then I am
pretty sure it is hanging out there, itself baffled by it all.

I wonder how many of us who have ventured out to make a living,
will eventually, sooner or later, make our way back, perhaps in
our Golden years...to seek peace in our latter stages of our lives and
to seek a resting place for our souls.

Deepshi Madam tae ude-eh mulaqaat honti laage sae. :D:p

[spdeshwal]

Deepshi Madam tae poori chingar rahi sae India se... :D ... mujhe
aisa kyun lagta hai ki deep inside she misses it a lot...:cool:

Vaise, just recently went to India for a short one week trip after a gap of
4/5 years. I continue to believe that that country is really an enigma. Like
so many authors have described it, India leaves one with
all kinds of extreme feelings...on either side of the spectrum...from
fascination to frustration...it just depends on what side anyone
is tuned to focus on.

I think it is an amazingly soulful place. There is something there that connects
us to life and its source. Like someone said, its the one place where
everything seems to coexist. If there be such a thing as God, then I am
pretty sure it is hanging out there, itself baffled by it all.

I wonder how many of us who have ventured out to make a living,
will eventually, sooner or later, make our way back, perhaps in
our Golden years...to seek peace in our latter stages of our lives and
to seek a resting place for our souls.

Deepshi Madam tae ude-eh mulaqaat honti laage sae. :D:p

Bhanje teri post pad kar kaalje mein thandak padgi!

You are one of those 'Bold and Beautiful' people out here whom I admire most and hate( Mada sa, for madi madi si saitani) a little!

Jeenta reh mere bete!

Khush reho!

[gaganjat]

True Deshwal Bhaisaab !

You are a high-spirited Jat yourself and always been so encouraging. So good to have you around us




I appreciate your spirit and true feelings Abhimanyu Bhai.
I also strongly agree and believe like you That "Hum honge kamyaab ek Deen"
I also strongly believe that You and Gagan will Keep the Indian and Jats flags flying High in Perth!

Gagan, I still remember a true story posted by Dr. Birbal ji and the respone of an Indian father to his half Indian daughter on her disgust full remarks about stray Dogs and cattle roaming around in streets of Jaipur. The Dad's answer was, " Every thing co-exists here".This is the real Indian spirit, that I love , adore and am proud of. Economic development is superficial and doesn't touch the soul of living beings!

You guys are still very young with lots of energy and fire! Keep this spirit and fire alive!




Cheers!

[gaganjat]

Ravi kade sai bhai aajkaal ? dikhyi kaam de sai kimme. ghanae bizi hogya

[rajivsp]

RESUME

EDUCATION /Qualification:

1950: Stood first in BA (Hons), Economics, Punjab University, Chandigarh ,
1952; Stood first in MA (Economics), Punjab University , Chandigarh ,
1954; Wright's Prize for distinguished performance at St John's College, Cambridge,
1955 and 1957; Wrenbury scholar, University of Cambridge ,
1957; DPhil ( Oxford ), DLitt (Honoris Causa); PhD thesis on India 's export competitiveness

OCCUPATION /Teaching Experience :

Professor (Senior lecturer, Economics, 1957-59;
Reader, Economics, 1959-63;
Professor, Economics, Punjab University , Chandigarh , 1963-65;
Professor,International Trade, Delhi School of Economics,University of Delhi,1969-71 ;
Honorary professor, Jawaharlal Nehru University ,New Delhi,1976 and Delhi School of Economics, University of Delhi ,1996 and Civil Servant

Working Experience/ POSITIONS :

1971-72: Economic advisor, ministry of foreign trade
1972-76: Chief economic advisor, ministry of finance

1976-80: Director, Reserve Bank of India ;
Director, Industrial Development Bank of India;
Alternate governor for India, Board of governors, Asian Development Bank;
Alternate governor for India, Board of governors, IBRD

November 1976 - April 1980: Secretary, ministry of finance (Department of economic affairs);
Member, finance, Atomic Energy Commission; Member,finance, Space Commission

April 1980 - September 15, 1982 : Member-secretary, Planning Commission

1980-83: Chairman , India Committee of the Indo-Japan joint study committee

September 16, 1982 - January 14, 1985 : Governor, Reserve Bank of India ..

1982-85: Alternate Governor for India, Board of governors, International Monetary Fund

1983-84: Member, economic advisory council to the Prime Minister

1985: President, Indian Economic Association

January 15, 1985 - July 31, 1987 : Deputy Chairman, Planning Commission

August 1, 1987 - November 10, 19! 90: Secretary-general and commissioner,
south commission, Geneva

December 10, 1990 - March 14, 1991 : Advisor to the Prime Minister on economic affairs

March 15, 1991 - June 20, 1991 : Chairman, UGC

June 21, 1991 - May 15, 1996 : Union finance minister

October 1991: Elected to Rajya Sabha from Assam on Congress ticket

June 1995: Re-elected to Rajya Sabha

1996 onwards: Member, Consultative Committee for the ministry of finance

August 1, 1996 - December 4, 1997: Chairman, Parliamentary standing committee on commerce

March 21, 1998 onwards: Leader of the Opposition, Rajya Sabha

June 5, 1998 onwards: Member, committee on finance

August 13, 1998 onwards: Member, committee on rules

Aug 1998-2001: Member, committee of privileges 2000 onwards: Member, executive committee, Indian parliamentary group

June 2001: Re-elected to Rajya Sabha

Aug 2001 onwards: Member, general purposes committee

BOOKS:

India's Export Trends and Prospects for Self-Sustained Growth -
Clarendon Press, Oxford University , 1964; also published a large number of articles in various economic journals.

OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

Adam Smith Prize, University of Cambridge , 1956

Padma Vibhushan, 1987

Euro money Award, Finance Minister of the Year, 1993;

Asia money Award, Finance Minister of the Year for Asia, 1993 and 1994

INTERNATIONAL ASSIGNMENTS:

1966: Economic Affairs Officer

1966-69: Chief, financing for trade section, UNCTAD

1972-74: Deputy for India in IMF Committee of Twenty on
International Monetary Reform

1977-79: Indian delegation to Aid-India Consortium Meetings

1980-82: Indo-Soviet joint planning group meeting

1982: Indo-Soviet monitoring group meeting

1993: Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting Cyprus 1993: Human Rights World Conference, Vienna

RECREATION :

Gymkhana Club, New Delhi; Life Member, India International Centre,
New Delhi

PERSONAL DETAIL:

Name: Dr Manmohan Singh

DOB: September 26, 1932

Place of Birth: Gah ( West Punjab )

Father: S. Gurmukh Singh

Mother: Mrs Amrit Kaur

Married on: September 14, 1958

Wife: Mrs Gursharan Kaur

Children: Three daughters

Our Prime Minister seems to be the most qualified PM all over the world.

Pass this to every INDIAN.... and be PROUD to be an INDIAN

[sandeepkadian05]

Sabke lambe lambe and some really harsh comments padhne ke baad maine socha ki main bhi bhashan de hi dun.....

Its really unfortunate that people are looking for reasons to be proud of or not to be proud of one's mother land.... Its your country, not someone else's that they will make it all perfect for you to live in... Just like a certain Abraham Lincoln said. " ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY". I am sure all the India bashers tried their best to change anything in this country or did they???????
All the problems one cites well just like every other country in the world- India is a mix of good and bad. For Deepshi madam, Are you proud of living in Australia- The place where England sent all the serious convicts and parasites of British society??? The whole population there has bred through them - India atleast had a civilization. Every country has its problems and deficiencies. Reading all the comments has sickened me. I dont want to list down all the things that make me proud of India, All i can say is that I can stand proudly in this melting pot of various nationalities- Dubai and proudly claim I Am an Indian.

[nysa]

Sabke lambe lambe and some really harsh comments padhne ke baad maine socha ki main bhi bhashan de hi dun.....

Its really unfortunate that people are looking for reasons to be proud of or not to be proud of one's mother land.... Its your country, not someone else's that they will make it all perfect for you to live in... Just like a certain Abraham Lincoln said. " ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY". I am sure all the India bashers tried their best to change anything in this country or did they???????
All the problems one cites well just like every other country in the world- India is a mix of good and bad. For Deepshi madam, Are you proud of living in Australia- The place where England sent all the serious convicts and parasites of British society??? The whole population there has bred through them - India atleast had a civilization. Every country has its problems and deficiencies. Reading all the comments has sickened me. I dont want to list down all the things that make me proud of India, All i can say is that I can stand proudly in this melting pot of various nationalities- Dubai and proudly claim I Am an Indian.

Hello ..Deepshi .. u may have ur own resons for not being proud of INDIA or loving her and the great discontent u have for her.

But I m pleased to know that u r proud of ur community, proud of being a jat n loving ur village for that matter.

But what I m wondering about is ."Is ur village in INDIA or somewhere else, is it not a part of INDIA?"I m sure u go through sleepless nights whenever u have to visit ur Village as u have to come VIA INDIA.:)

But , what I understand is "Nobody is perfect". Take humans as example.

Kise ko apne ankhein pasand hai, kisi apne haath, kisi ko apne baalon pe rashq hai to kisi ko apni killer smile per.Ab kyunki shareer ka sirf ek hi hissa sundar/perfect hai, main baki hisse ko kaat kar to nahin faink sakti?? Or can I ?/!!:confused:But perfect??!! ah-o....havent come across till now as have always met mortals (read Humans) n sadly not d immortals(read Divinity).


Now coming to a Gentleman's take on closing eyes to the shortcomings(read escapism) would like to ask him :"Sir, i m which ever part of INDIA u are, I m sure u must have experienced the "grave situation" (even though for once) since u r talking at lenght about them and concuring to all who think the same.Can u let us know "what single step or measure u have taken to improve "the grave situation" or if u have any plans to do so? Coz I m sure if u do have one u find many concuring to that.

As far as I m concerned , for me INDIA ROCKS !! :rock not two ways about and would do any thing it may take,n bring HER up to ur STANDARDS.:):cool:


Bless.

[nysa]

Sabke lambe lambe and some really harsh comments padhne ke baad maine socha ki main bhi bhashan de hi dun.....

Its really unfortunate that people are looking for reasons to be proud of or not to be proud of one's mother land.... Its your country, not someone else's that they will make it all perfect for you to live in... Just like a certain Abraham Lincoln said. " ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY". I am sure all the India bashers tried their best to change anything in this country or did they???????
All the problems one cites well just like every other country in the world- India is a mix of good and bad. For Deepshi madam, Are you proud of living in Australia- The place where England sent all the serious convicts and parasites of British society??? The whole population there has bred through them - India atleast had a civilization. Every country has its problems and deficiencies. Reading all the comments has sickened me. I dont want to list down all the things that make me proud of India, All i can say is that I can stand proudly in this melting pot of various nationalities- Dubai and proudly claim I Am an Indian.


RESUME

EDUCATION /Qualification:

1950: Stood first in BA (Hons), Economics, Punjab University, Chandigarh ,
1952; Stood first in MA (Economics), Punjab University , Chandigarh ,
1954; Wright's Prize for distinguished performance at St John's College, Cambridge,
1955 and 1957; Wrenbury scholar, University of Cambridge ,
1957; DPhil ( Oxford ), DLitt (Honoris Causa); PhD thesis on India 's export competitiveness

OCCUPATION /Teaching Experience :

Professor (Senior lecturer, Economics, 1957-59;
Reader, Economics, 1959-63;
Professor, Economics, Punjab University , Chandigarh , 1963-65;
Professor,International Trade, Delhi School of Economics,University of Delhi,1969-71 ;
Honorary professor, Jawaharlal Nehru University ,New Delhi,1976 and Delhi School of Economics, University of Delhi ,1996 and Civil Servant

Working Experience/ POSITIONS :

1971-72: Economic advisor, ministry of foreign trade
1972-76: Chief economic advisor, ministry of finance

1976-80: Director, Reserve Bank of India ;
Director, Industrial Development Bank of India;
Alternate governor for India, Board of governors, Asian Development Bank;
Alternate governor for India, Board of governors, IBRD

November 1976 - April 1980: Secretary, ministry of finance (Department of economic affairs);
Member, finance, Atomic Energy Commission; Member,finance, Space Commission

April 1980 - September 15, 1982 : Member-secretary, Planning Commission

1980-83: Chairman , India Committee of the Indo-Japan joint study committee

September 16, 1982 - January 14, 1985 : Governor, Reserve Bank of India ..

1982-85: Alternate Governor for India, Board of governors, International Monetary Fund

1983-84: Member, economic advisory council to the Prime Minister

1985: President, Indian Economic Association

January 15, 1985 - July 31, 1987 : Deputy Chairman, Planning Commission

August 1, 1987 - November 10, 19! 90: Secretary-general and commissioner,
south commission, Geneva

December 10, 1990 - March 14, 1991 : Advisor to the Prime Minister on economic affairs

March 15, 1991 - June 20, 1991 : Chairman, UGC

June 21, 1991 - May 15, 1996 : Union finance minister

October 1991: Elected to Rajya Sabha from Assam on Congress ticket

June 1995: Re-elected to Rajya Sabha

1996 onwards: Member, Consultative Committee for the ministry of finance

August 1, 1996 - December 4, 1997: Chairman, Parliamentary standing committee on commerce

March 21, 1998 onwards: Leader of the Opposition, Rajya Sabha

June 5, 1998 onwards: Member, committee on finance

August 13, 1998 onwards: Member, committee on rules

Aug 1998-2001: Member, committee of privileges 2000 onwards: Member, executive committee, Indian parliamentary group

June 2001: Re-elected to Rajya Sabha

Aug 2001 onwards: Member, general purposes committee

BOOKS:

India's Export Trends and Prospects for Self-Sustained Growth -
Clarendon Press, Oxford University , 1964; also published a large number of articles in various economic journals.

OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

Adam Smith Prize, University of Cambridge , 1956

Padma Vibhushan, 1987

Euro money Award, Finance Minister of the Year, 1993;

Asia money Award, Finance Minister of the Year for Asia, 1993 and 1994

INTERNATIONAL ASSIGNMENTS:

1966: Economic Affairs Officer

1966-69: Chief, financing for trade section, UNCTAD

1972-74: Deputy for India in IMF Committee of Twenty on
International Monetary Reform

1977-79: Indian delegation to Aid-India Consortium Meetings

1980-82: Indo-Soviet joint planning group meeting

1982: Indo-Soviet monitoring group meeting

1993: Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting Cyprus 1993: Human Rights World Conference, Vienna

RECREATION :

Gymkhana Club, New Delhi; Life Member, India International Centre,
New Delhi

PERSONAL DETAIL:

Name: Dr Manmohan Singh

DOB: September 26, 1932

Place of Birth: Gah ( West Punjab )

Father: S. Gurmukh Singh

Mother: Mrs Amrit Kaur

Married on: September 14, 1958

Wife: Mrs Gursharan Kaur

Children: Three daughters

Our Prime Minister seems to be the most qualified PM all over the world.

Pass this to every INDIAN.... and be PROUD to be an INDIAN


Thanx so much Rajeev n Sandeep..lets keep pouring in n throw some light on the path less trodden .. :)

[raj_rathee]

Bhanje teri post pad kar kaalje mein thandak padgi!

You are one of those 'Bold and Beautiful' people out here whom I admire most and hate( Mada sa, for madi madi si saitani) a little!

Jeenta reh mere bete!

Khush reho!

ha ha ha...thanks Mamu!

Lekin munnae bera sae...aap munnae eeb tae chadan laag re so...lekin
jaldi he dhakka bhi de doge... :)

[cooljat]

Dear Rajiv,

Kindly dont post 'Forwarded Mail' stuff here, give your own original views! :)

I've read this mail way back when Manmohan wasn't PM! :rolleyes:

Thanks!

Rock on
Jit



RESUME

EDUCATION /Qualification:

1950: Stood first in BA (Hons), Economics, Punjab University, Chandigarh ,
1952; Stood first in MA (Economics), Punjab University , Chandigarh ,
1954; Wright's Prize for distinguished performance at St John's College, Cambridge,
1955 and 1957; Wrenbury scholar, University of Cambridge ,
1957; DPhil ( Oxford ), DLitt (Honoris Causa); PhD thesis on India 's export competitiveness

OCCUPATION /Teaching Experience :

Professor (Senior lecturer, Economics, 1957-59;
Reader, Economics, 1959-63;
Professor, Economics, Punjab University , Chandigarh , 1963-65;
Professor,International Trade, Delhi School of Economics,University of Delhi,1969-71 ;
Honorary professor, Jawaharlal Nehru University ,New Delhi,1976 and Delhi School of Economics, University of Delhi ,1996 and Civil Servant

Working Experience/ POSITIONS :

1971-72: Economic advisor, ministry of foreign trade
1972-76: Chief economic advisor, ministry of finance

1976-80: Director, Reserve Bank of India ;
Director, Industrial Development Bank of India;
Alternate governor for India, Board of governors, Asian Development Bank;
Alternate governor for India, Board of governors, IBRD

November 1976 - April 1980: Secretary, ministry of finance (Department of economic affairs);
Member, finance, Atomic Energy Commission; Member,finance, Space Commission

April 1980 - September 15, 1982 : Member-secretary, Planning Commission

1980-83: Chairman , India Committee of the Indo-Japan joint study committee

September 16, 1982 - January 14, 1985 : Governor, Reserve Bank of India ..

1982-85: Alternate Governor for India, Board of governors, International Monetary Fund

1983-84: Member, economic advisory council to the Prime Minister

1985: President, Indian Economic Association

January 15, 1985 - July 31, 1987 : Deputy Chairman, Planning Commission

August 1, 1987 - November 10, 19! 90: Secretary-general and commissioner,
south commission, Geneva

December 10, 1990 - March 14, 1991 : Advisor to the Prime Minister on economic affairs

March 15, 1991 - June 20, 1991 : Chairman, UGC

June 21, 1991 - May 15, 1996 : Union finance minister

October 1991: Elected to Rajya Sabha from Assam on Congress ticket

June 1995: Re-elected to Rajya Sabha

1996 onwards: Member, Consultative Committee for the ministry of finance

August 1, 1996 - December 4, 1997: Chairman, Parliamentary standing committee on commerce

March 21, 1998 onwards: Leader of the Opposition, Rajya Sabha

June 5, 1998 onwards: Member, committee on finance

August 13, 1998 onwards: Member, committee on rules

Aug 1998-2001: Member, committee of privileges 2000 onwards: Member, executive committee, Indian parliamentary group

June 2001: Re-elected to Rajya Sabha

Aug 2001 onwards: Member, general purposes committee

BOOKS:

India's Export Trends and Prospects for Self-Sustained Growth -
Clarendon Press, Oxford University , 1964; also published a large number of articles in various economic journals.

OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

Adam Smith Prize, University of Cambridge , 1956

Padma Vibhushan, 1987

Euro money Award, Finance Minister of the Year, 1993;

Asia money Award, Finance Minister of the Year for Asia, 1993 and 1994

INTERNATIONAL ASSIGNMENTS:

1966: Economic Affairs Officer

1966-69: Chief, financing for trade section, UNCTAD

1972-74: Deputy for India in IMF Committee of Twenty on
International Monetary Reform

1977-79: Indian delegation to Aid-India Consortium Meetings

1980-82: Indo-Soviet joint planning group meeting

1982: Indo-Soviet monitoring group meeting

1993: Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting Cyprus 1993: Human Rights World Conference, Vienna

RECREATION :

Gymkhana Club, New Delhi; Life Member, India International Centre,
New Delhi

PERSONAL DETAIL:

Name: Dr Manmohan Singh

DOB: September 26, 1932

Place of Birth: Gah ( West Punjab )

Father: S. Gurmukh Singh

Mother: Mrs Amrit Kaur

Married on: September 14, 1958

Wife: Mrs Gursharan Kaur

Children: Three daughters

Our Prime Minister seems to be the most qualified PM all over the world.

Pass this to every INDIAN.... and be PROUD to be an INDIAN

[mukeshkumar007]

If one criticizes the bad things of his country that doesn't mean he hates his country or ashamed of being the citizen of that country. I can sacrifice n numbers of life for my Nation but that doesn't mean I should keep my eye closed away from all evils which are very much there in this country and the irony is that they are increasing by geometric mean. If somebody (by mistake) tries to speak against them or thinks to change them, then he is discouraged like anything, Log kehte hai bait ja chup chaap aya hai samaj sudharak and most of them chup ho hi jate hai..aur galat bi nai isme kuch akhir use bi apni roji roti ka bi dhyan rakhna hai.. It's practical.

One more thing there is nothing wrong in asking for the reasons to be proud or not to be proud.

As Mahatma Gandhi rightly said that "Faith must be by reasons otherwise it dies"

now reasons could be any thing. :)

[prashantacmet]

saarre jhoootee aade hi kathhe horre hai:p;)

[VPannu]

saarre jhoootee aade hi kathhe horre hai:p;)
hambe, teri e kasar thi, chokkhaa teri bhi haajri laag gi :rock

[deepshi]

NOW we are talking..

well to set the record right first..
I DONT HATE INDIA (Jeez..y m i even clarifying...but just for the record),,its just that m disappointed ,,as now i hv been with one or two shallow/irascible members.
so guys DONT infer or read what u WANT to...
n its been stone-pelting from soo many people here..that even if i wud have liked (which i doubt) to address u personally , i cant!

Now...let me set it staraight..
1. One of the members was aghast/startled on the word hippocrate (i thought its a doctors oath:D) n " spade"
O dear gullible one...u cud hv checked the dictionary first
its an idiom "calling a spade a spade" means telling the way it is..:D

2. As i was discussing with one of my frnds here yest. that i voiced my (damned..oh so much umbrage)acc. to some ) thoughts here coz i thought we were all Indians
i wud hv ferociously fought over with sum1 of a different nationality if he dared to say such things bout India. As my mom says she points out my mistakes (although even i get mad at her sumtimes for doing so )only coz she thinks m her own..n in front of other wud go to any length to protect my respect.

3. Wud sum of the guys who wrote real NASTY comments here wud really earn a persons respect/faith in their views/ country by doing so.
Of course u wont mind losing a person,,,but as said- u already hv got excess!!!

they say "no bad blood" but it exactly shows how bad their blood is (ok-pun certainly intended)

sum people take a li'l while,to grow out of their teens ,,n start gettin personal
if u care to check,,I hv not been yet.


4. There still r sum latitudarian people here who hv been so understanding and have a big heart n mind to accept others' beliefs even if they dont concur

even Mr Raj Rathee's signature proves it

as Mukesh has summarised it...give it a thought..
kudos to u guys who let it be a healthy discussion without any bias/prejudices



now...gotta go for a jog...but trust me...will be back soon once as i hv been stimulated again to let it out of my system..

I may put sum solid proofs for my disgust n previous posts..

so guys watch out this space ;)

n for the rest of u ...GROW UP...GET A LIFE !!

[anuchhikara]

Everyone proud to be an indian.....some ppl shows dis ...rest of all not....
bocz 'East or West .....India is Best'.:)

[sandeepkadian05]

Well mukesh I still can't believe you need reasons to be proud of your motherland.. and regarding your point about people discouraging someone who looks to do something about it i will just give you another one of Mahatma Gandhi's quote- " YOU MUST BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD". So if u dont like what you see, try and change it. No one is asking you to start a revolution or anything but even a single individual can make a difference and lets be clear I am not saying anyone around here hates India but looking at the country with such apparent disgust and contempt as shown by some people is a touch hard to digest....


If one criticizes the bad things of his country that doesn't mean he hates his country or ashamed of being the citizen of that country. I can sacrifice n numbers of life for my Nation but that doesn't mean I should keep my eye closed away from all evils which are very much there in this country and the irony is that they are increasing by geometric mean. If somebody (by mistake) tries to speak against them or thinks to change them, then he is discouraged like anything, Log kehte hai bait ja chup chaap aya hai samaj sudharak and most of them chup ho hi jate hai..aur galat bi nai isme kuch akhir use bi apni roji roti ka bi dhyan rakhna hai.. It's practical.

One more thing there is nothing wrong in asking for the reasons to be proud or not to be proud.

As Mahatma Gandhi rightly said that "Faith must be by reasons otherwise it dies"

now reasons could be any thing. :)

[raj2rif]

NOW we are talking..

well to set the record right first..
I DONT HATE INDIA (Jeez..y m i even clarifying...but just for the record),,its just that m disappointed ,,as now i hv been with one or two shallow/irascible members.
so guys DONT infer or read what u WANT to...
n its been stone-pelting from soo many people here..that even if i wud have liked (which i doubt) to address u personally , i cant!

Now...let me set it staraight..
1. One of the members was aghast/startled on the word hippocrate (i thought its a doctors oath:D) n " spade"
O dear gullible one...u cud hv checked the dictionary first
its an idiom "calling a spade a spade" means telling the way it is..:D

2. As i was discussing with one of my frnds here yest. that i voiced my (damned..oh so much umbrage)acc. to some ) thoughts here coz i thought we were all Indians
i wud hv ferociously fought over with sum1 of a different nationality if he dared to say such things bout India. As my mom says she points out my mistakes (although even i get mad at her sumtimes for doing so )only coz she thinks m her own..n in front of other wud go to any length to protect my respect.

3. Wud sum of the guys who wrote real NASTY comments here wud really earn a persons respect/faith in their views/ country by doing so.
Of course u wont mind losing a person,,,but as said- u already hv got excess!!!

they say "no bad blood" but it exactly shows how bad their blood is (ok-pun certainly intended)

sum people take a li'l while,to grow out of their teens ,,n start gettin personal
if u care to check,,I hv not been yet.


4. There still r sum latitudarian people here who hv been so understanding and have a big heart n mind to accept others' beliefs even if they dont concur

even Mr Raj Rathee's signature proves it

as Mukesh has summarised it...give it a thought..
kudos to u guys who let it be a healthy discussion without any bias/prejudices



now...gotta go for a jog...but trust me...will be back soon once as i hv been stimulated again to let it out of my system..

I may put sum solid proofs for my disgust n previous posts..

so guys watch out this space ;)

n for the rest of u ...GROW UP...GET A LIFE !!

Dear Deeepshi,

As I had said earlier, that there are many things those are bad in our country, but there are good things as well. Bad and good things are in all countries, some them affect us directly and some indirectly. The problem with most of us is that sometimes we don’t see beyond our nose (again idiom as you said otherwise some might take a literal meaning).

Absence of the nationalism looks to be the one of the biggest problem. Even in US, I see a lot of Punjabi, Gujarati, Tamils, Jats, Brahmins and so on, but a very few who claim to be Indian. Mind you in public they all claim to be proud to be an Indian. Probably that is the only country that allows them to be identified as they do. Here on this forum we have many people who would rather be called a Jat who happen to be Indian and not an Indian who happen to be Jat. That is the difference.

The main cause of poor state of public facilities in our country is corruption and accountability. Where in the world a political leader reward his supporters the elected members of the assembly/parliament with land gifts. Where in the world one can see the horse-trading of the elected officials and being praised by public. These very people will come back in election and ask for our votes and good thing is that we will again elect them. AAM AADMI has no say in the state of affairs even though we do have a democratic set up, the reason is those who can think about good and bad, do not get out from their cozy homes to go and vote when it matters. My problem is not this, the problem is that we need to search our own soul and ask one simple question, “What have I done to stop this?” That is the issue I want to raise and discuss. Giving reasons to be proud of or ashamed of is just repeating the facts in the manner we perceive them. We have PM Manmohan Singh’s resume posted here, but the PM alone is not India. We did not even elect him. Real India is the character from the stories of Mr. Prem Chand, that Garibdas who lives in a remote area. That is real India.

Why I am proud of India is that I belong to a country, which has a very rich culture and resilience and sustainability. It has survived the foreign rule and corrupt politicians of past and present. I am also proud of the fact that I was able to survive in such a system with dignity and my convictions. We all can do our bit, and the things will improve.

[sidchhikara]

I donot understand why some people are being so judgemental towards people who have a dissenting voice.
I personally feel proud of people here who dissent and say that they donot like certain things about the country and want some changes. Atleast they are not sheep.

How can anybody be proud of everything in the country, that would be delusional.

I also see a lot of overseas people (excluding the good Colonel above, of course!) beating their chest about national pride. Overcompensating ???
Bhailogon, ek request hai ... desh vaapis aa jao .... airport pe custom aale saari pride dheeli kar deenge........... door door te keyboard peet ke ghane pride ke lecture na diya karen ....... 10 th class ke board ke paper mein jo essay likha tha woh repeat karan ki jaroorat na hai.

You have to agree that there is a problem before you can even think about fixing it.

[ygulia]

I donot understand why some people are being so judgemental towards people who have a dissenting voice.
I personally feel proud of people here who dissent and say that they donot like certain things about the country and want some changes. Atleast they are not sheep.

How can anybody be proud of everything in the country, that would be a delusion.

I also see a lot of overseas people (excluding the good Colonel above, of course!) beating their chest about national pride. Overcompensating ???
Bhailogon, ek request hai ... desh vaapis aa jao .... airport pe custom aale saari pride dheeli kar deenge.

You have to agree that there is a problem before you can even think about fixing it.

First read the comments of the person and then only say something. If you will break the law then definitely Customs will take care of it. I have never been bothered by customs or immigration officials in India.

[sandeepkadian05]

Who said there are no problems?????? I believe what has been said is that every country has its own shortcomings and so has India and rather than berating your own country for it, you should try to do something about it.... I haven't been bothered by the immigration and custom officials either.... If you try to smuggle something without paying taxes, customs will make you pay for it and That is bad how?????? No one is trying to prove himself the biggest patriot over here, the only objection is with people who are referring to India in disrespecting manner. so stop looking for an issue that doesn't exist....





I donot understand why some people are being so judgemental towards people who have a dissenting voice.
I personally feel proud of people here who dissent and say that they donot like certain things about the country and want some changes. Atleast they are not sheep.

How can anybody be proud of everything in the country, that would be delusional.

I also see a lot of overseas people (excluding the good Colonel above, of course!) beating their chest about national pride. Overcompensating ???
Bhailogon, ek request hai ... desh vaapis aa jao .... airport pe custom aale saari pride dheeli kar deenge........... door door te keyboard peet ke ghane pride ke lecture na diya karen ....... 10 th class ke board ke paper mein jo essay likha tha woh repeat karan ki jaroorat na hai.

You have to agree that there is a problem before you can even think about fixing it.

[rajivsp]

Dear Rajiv,

Kindly dont post 'Forwarded Mail' stuff here, give your own original views! :)

I've read this mail way back when Manmohan wasn't PM! :rolleyes:

Thanks!

Rock on
Jit

Dear Jit

You might be aware of the qualifications of our PM, but not everybody here on JatLand. So its better to share it with everybody and a strong point to be proud to be Indian.

It is ok PM is not only real India. But there are only few people who made history and we are proud to be Indian/xyz. If we remove the Name of VED VYAS from our old scriptures, then there is nothing left much.......

Regards

rajiv

[nysa]

I donot understand why some people are being so judgemental towards people who have a dissenting voice.
I personally feel proud of people here who dissent and say that they donot like certain things about the country and want some changes. Atleast they are not sheep.

How can anybody be proud of everything in the country, that would be delusional.

I also see a lot of overseas people (excluding the good Colonel above, of course!) beating their chest about national pride. Overcompensating ???
Bhailogon, ek request hai ... desh vaapis aa jao .... airport pe custom aale saari pride dheeli kar deenge........... door door te keyboard peet ke ghane pride ke lecture na diya karen ....... 10 th class ke board ke paper mein jo essay likha tha woh repeat karan ki jaroorat na hai.

You have to agree that there is a problem before you can even think about fixing it.

Who's saying all's well with INDIA?? of course like any other country and a lot needs to be done!


Rest ur signatures says it all!! :)

[ritu]

hmm rt nysa......par jissa bhi hai apna hai.
Who's saying all's well with INDIA?? of course like any other country and a lot needs to be done!


Rest ur signatures says it all!! :)

[VPannu]

hmm rt nysa......par jissa bhi hai apna hai.
hmm sahi kahya, aaapni maa ne bhi kadde koye daakkann bataaya kare

[sidchhikara]

hmm rt nysa......par jissa bhi hai apna hai.

Ritu, are you sure about that? All this time I thought it belonged to the Gandhi family, Lallloo, Mayawati, Mulayam etc etc.
The only ownership proof they gave me was a blue passport and I was told to shut up and stay still because what I said and did, did'nt matter.

[sidchhikara]

Who's saying all's well with INDIA?? of course like any other country and a lot needs to be done!


Rest ur signatures says it all!! :)


Not me !

[sidchhikara]

Who said there are no problems?????? I believe what has been said is that every country has its own shortcomings and so has India and rather than berating your own country for it, you should try to do something about it.... I haven't been bothered by the immigration and custom officials either.... If you try to smuggle something without paying taxes, customs will make you pay for it and That is bad how?????? No one is trying to prove himself the biggest patriot over here, the only objection is with people who are referring to India in disrespecting manner. so stop looking for an issue that doesn't exist....

Paying for it is not sufficient, the custom's official said that they would send me to jail. I had brought in 3 kilos of charas, 2.5 kilos of cannabis, 1 kg of sulfa, 1.5 kg of ecstasy, 1 kg each of LSD, methamphetamine, Oxycontin, super skunk, sweet mary jane, chronic, hashish.
Then on top of that I started calling them names since I donot have a lovely relationship with them like you do.

So I guess you are right, it was my fault since I roll into the airport with suitcase full of contraband. If I just had a few gifts for my family that exceeded 10000 rs, I would not have had a problem. I would just have to visit the bathroom on the left hand side (right after immigration at IGI) before I passed customs, and put on any jewelery - rings, necklaces, watches. Stuff my pockets with cellphones and dvd players, put the bottle of scotch in front of my underwear AND just walk out masquerading as a gay palika bazar salesman with a hard on.

[ygulia]

Not me !

Iska matlab aapki kathni aur karni mei farak hai...........

[sidchhikara]

Iska matlab aapki kathni aur karni mei farak hai...........

Ek muhawra meri taraf se bhi....

Gaye ki chaaron than ek se nahi hote.

wah wah....

[sumeetmalik]

Paying for it is not sufficient, the custom's official said that they would send me to jail. I had brought in 3 kilos of charas, 2.5 kilos of cannabis, 1 kg of sulfa, 1.5 kg of ecstasy, 1 kg each of LSD, methamphetamine, Oxycontin, super skunk, sweet mary jane, chronic, hashish.
Then on top of that I started calling them names since I donot have a lovely relationship with them like you do.

So I guess you are right, it was my fault since I roll into the airport with suitcase full of contraband. If I just had a few gifts for my family that exceeded 10000 rs, I would not have had a problem. I would just have to visit the bathroom on the left hand side (right after immigration at IGI) before I passed customs, and put on any jewelery - rings, necklaces, watches. Stuff my pockets with cellphones and dvd players, put the bottle of scotch in front of my underwear AND just walk out masquerading as a gay palika bazar salesman with a hard on.

hehehe...Sid you bugger! You practice your creative writing skills here. Not fair. hehehe.

[ritu]

hmm ye america to apna honn te raha aeb indiane bhi aapna na kahu tu na ghar ke rahhe na ghat ke waali baat hojjagi.mere liyye to aapna hi hai kyunki mere saare aapne waha hai.meri pehchan tak.i am not ever bothered by any gandhi aur whatevers claims.
Ritu, are you sure about that? All this time I thought it belonged to the Gandhi family, Lallloo, Mayawati, Mulayam etc etc.
The only ownership proof they gave me was a blue passport and I was told to shut up and stay still because what I said and did, did'nt matter.

[sidchhikara]

hmm ye america to apna honn te raha aeb indiane bhi aapna na kahu tu na ghar ke rahhe na ghat ke waali baat hojjagi.mere liyye to aapna hi hai kyunki mere saare aapne waha hai.meri pehchan tak.i am not ever bothered by any gandhi aur whatevers claims.

You are quite honest.

[sidchhikara]

hehehe...Sid you bugger! You practice your creative writing skills here. Not fair. hehehe.

Hahaha ! Yeah, I have to get lose this habit of trying to feed the beast.

[naveenbazad]

mere liyye to aapna hi hai kyunki mere saare aapne waha hai.meri pehchan tak.i am not ever bothered by any gandhi aur whatevers claims.


hmm ye america to apna honn te raha aeb indiane bhi aapna na kahu tu na ghar ke rahhe na ghat ke waali baat hojjagi.

THINGS WHICH I REMEMBER ARE ALL FROM INDIA AND MERE TO APNE SAB HI YAHA AA GAYE .. EXCEPT MUMMY PAPA WHOM I DONT REMEMBER ...
LEKIN MUJHE NAHI LAGTA KI YAHA KE HAWA PAANI MEIN SUKH CHAIN SE BAIDTHNA LIKHA HEIN ......

LIFE SIMPLE NO DOUBT ... ASSOCIATION WITH COUNTRY NO WAY THOUGH I WILL BE CITIZEN

I DO PLAY WITH GORA GORI VOLLEYBALL, BEACHVOLLEYBALL, GOES TO GYM, HAVE NICE SWIM... PARTYING ON 40TH 50TH NEAR SEARS TOWER BUT THESE THINGS CAN THEY REPLACE A NICE CUP OF TEA IN MORNING WITH MY FREINDS MOTHER IN INDIA ...NO WAY .. CAN THINGS OVER HERE CAN BE REMEMBERED NO WAY.........


I DO HAVE FEELING WHETHER U STUDY WHATEVER .. HOWARD PRINCETON OR ANY WHERE .. NO MATTER HOW MUCH U STAY OVER HERE AND PARTY .. CAN U ASSOCIATE URSELF WITH THESE PPLL ... I THINK NO //////

LIIVNG IN INDIA IS BEST WHEN U OWN A FARMLAND .. HAVE UR ALL FACILITIES IN IT AND ENJOY THE SIMPLICITY OF LIFE .... ELSE LIFE IN INDIA IS SO HARD THAT U START HATING IT

and when u r not educated sometimes INDIA tells u how hard the life is ..(( sometimessssss))

[spdeshwal]

ha ha ha...thanks Mamu!

Lekin munnae bera sae...aap munnae eeb tae chadan laag re so...lekin
jaldi he dhakka bhi de doge... :)

No, that is not true! Kati dhaka na dyun
I believe , You always speak your mind, without taking sides.

I know, you are a person of very modern outlook. A post like that from you was heart warming and gave me the feeling that the stand taken by me other like minded in this debate was vindicable!


Cheers!

[spdeshwal]

I donot understand why some people are being so judgemental towards people who have a dissenting voice.
I personally feel proud of people here who dissent and say that they donot like certain things about the country and want some changes. Atleast they are not sheep.

How can anybody be proud of everything in the country, that would be delusional.

I also see a lot of overseas people (excluding the good Colonel above, of course!) beating their chest about national pride. Overcompensating ???
Bhailogon, ek request hai ... desh vaapis aa jao .... airport pe custom aale saari pride dheeli kar deenge........... door door te keyboard peet ke ghane pride ke lecture na diya karen ....... 10 th class ke board ke paper mein jo essay likha tha woh repeat karan ki jaroorat na hai.
You have to agree that there is a problem before you can even think about fixing it.



Thek kah se bhai Sid, ye custom aale te isee hi sen. And why only to single out custom, even the immigration quarantine and so on. Par bhai in custom, immigration aalaya ki jaat issi e se aur kaam bhi, chahe i
India ho chahe America! Yaad nahi pachhe si Minstran tak ki patloon deeli karwa li thee, ude pride deela nahi hota ke! American karen jib duty, indian karen jib harassment????

Cheers!

[deepshi]

Sorry guys for that "ROTTEN" thing
I had realized the day b4,,n yest i was talkin to one of my editor frnds that tha ROTTEN thing in Capslock was.. err..bad in taste. n to remove it.

Was going too strong... dont hv any right to say for a country m not even residing in or care for!

but equally rotten was one of the replies from a member which has now been de;leted

Trust me,, i'l throw sum light on the situation here n wot i "felt" ,,wrong or otherwise ,,when I was in India.

Stay tuned,:), but don't.....DON'T... be judgemantal,,,coz i despise n pity judgemental and prejudiced people.

[anuchhikara]

hmm sahi kahya, aaapni maa ne bhi kadde koye daakkann bataaya kare
hahahaha shii khaa paaanuuuuuuuuuuu

[sandeepkadian05]

Sumggling doesn't just include drugs.. Anything for which you dont pay tax and bring into the country is smuggling and illegal..... It doesn't matter that they are supposed to be gifts to your family members. People blame govt for not spending on Infrastructure and then avoid paying taxes.... Its thru taxes only that govt can raise money for development....



Paying for it is not sufficient, the custom's official said that they would send me to jail. I had brought in 3 kilos of charas, 2.5 kilos of cannabis, 1 kg of sulfa, 1.5 kg of ecstasy, 1 kg each of LSD, methamphetamine, Oxycontin, super skunk, sweet mary jane, chronic, hashish.
Then on top of that I started calling them names since I donot have a lovely relationship with them like you do.

So I guess you are right, it was my fault since I roll into the airport with suitcase full of contraband. If I just had a few gifts for my family that exceeded 10000 rs, I would not have had a problem. I would just have to visit the bathroom on the left hand side (right after immigration at IGI) before I passed customs, and put on any jewelery - rings, necklaces, watches. Stuff my pockets with cellphones and dvd players, put the bottle of scotch in front of my underwear AND just walk out masquerading as a gay palika bazar salesman with a hard on.

[cooljat]

Very Right, Very Right! ;):cool: Bhai Sumeet, ish Creative Sid ki writings pad pad ke to kati jee saa aajaye hai .... I luv the way Sid bro express his views in sucha creative, witty manner! :) ... awesome bro ... keep it up!


Rock on
Jit


hehehe...Sid you bugger! You practice your creative writing skills here. Not fair. hehehe.

[dreamer]

Main Maafi maangta hoon aapse .. aap mahan hain main moorkh khal kaami .. maaf ker dijiye madam ... Bus main bada nahin ho pa raha hoon like you .. Kyun ki aapne yeh gazal suni hogi ki ... Badon ki dekh de duniya mera dil bada hone se darta hai ... Satte bhai isnai bee delete ker diye ... India ki ke parwah hai .. Healthy discussion hai na .. sab motte ho jaange

[Maniisha]

LIIVNG IN INDIA IS BEST WHEN U OWN A FARMLAND .. HAVE UR ALL FACILITIES IN IT AND ENJOY THE SIMPLICITY OF LIFE .... ELSE LIFE IN INDIA IS SO HARD THAT U START HATING IT

and when u r not educated sometimes INDIA tells u how hard the life is ..(( sometimessssss))

I totally disagree with Naveen on the last point ... :(

"Even if we dont own a farmland still people survive here. As far as
uneducated people are concerned life is tougher for them anywhere in the
world. Its not like that if they are staying in America being uneducated
they will hold the post of an high ranked officer and being in India they
will leave like a begger.

As far as the thing with facilities is concerned our cities are also not
lacking behind it. Its just the rosy life of the West and Europe which
makes us to criticize our own country.We all will appreciate those
facilities but then our situations and their the situations are different.
Although basic needs remain the same. Our cultures are also different.

Aur itney saal saari duniya ko lutney ke baad kiska bala na hoga.
In fact they should thank India and other underdeveloped or developing
countries that aaj unka desh kaafi aagey hai. Agar hum unki technique
sikte tho shayad unse aagey hotey.... :)

[solankimk]

Bhai Mukesh seede se Baat hain jis tarah Apnee Khaat pe need achhi Aati , apney maa key haat ke roti achee lagey hai , phir gaon, district, pradesh ,basey hee desh apna hee achaa lagey .

[Nishantrathi82]

Lo g maine socha apne kuch bekaar se shabd mai bhi likh deta hun iss thread me bahut kishish ke k naa likhu kuch but aa heee gaya atlast!!

First of all i want to say that i think this thread has been started to tell why we feel proud to be an Indian, but lot of people are discussing about lacking points of our country. We can create a another thread for that i think:D. So please give ur +ive view about our country.

So truely speaking i feel proud to be an Indian becoz i born in India. If was born in America i will feel proud for that country.
And another major point that makes me happy about India is lot of liberty for doing the thing those i won't be able to do if have been part of some other country:D.
And other thing which makes me pround to become an Indian is the love & affection between the people, our helping nature for others.

Here i am talking about +ive points of my country:)
So Being an India i feel proud to be an India:rock

[naveenbazad]

arre bhai koi bhi kissi desh ki badai kare usse pehle soch le ... CAN any system anywhere in the world can work with such a population .. yeh apna desh chal raha hein bahut badi baat hein......

INDENPENDENCE HEIN KISSI DESH MEIN JITNI JITNI INDIA MEIN HEIN ......

itni population ho aa jaaye .. australia america europe kaa daacha aisa baidhega ki sambal mein nahi aayega.. aur phir kaun country number 1 hoggaaaa.....INDIAAAAAAA

[sidchhikara]

Very Right, Very Right! ;):cool: Bhai Sumeet, ish Creative Sid ki writings pad pad ke to kati jee saa aajaye hai .... I luv the way Sid bro express his views in sucha creative, witty manner! :) ... awesome bro ... keep it up!


Rock on
Jit

Jitey ... glad you got a laugh out of it.

[sidchhikara]

I totally disagree with Naveen on the last point ... :(

"Even if we dont own a farmland still people survive here. As far as
uneducated people are concerned life is tougher for them anywhere in the
world. Its not like that if they are staying in America being uneducated
they will hold the post of an high ranked officer and being in India they
will leave like a begger.

In India there is no safety net. If someone is poor and willing to work, there is still a chance that they might not get enough to eat that day for get about clothes, electricity, housing, healthcare. There is chronic hunger and malnutrition especially in BIMARU states.
This is not the case in America, here if someone is willing to work, even in the worst paid job, they can eat all they want and can also afford some kind of housing (maybe shared) with more than basic facilities.



As far as the thing with facilities is concerned our cities are also not
lacking behind it. Its just the rosy life of the West and Europe which
makes us to criticize our own country.We all will appreciate those
facilities but then our situations and their the situations are different.
Although basic needs remain the same. Our cultures are also different.


I am not sure which city you live in, all the cities I have lived in lacked basic facilities like transportation, roads, power, water, trash disposal to a great extent.
My parents live in a sector in Gurgaon... there are massive power cuts and lot of times they have to order water from a tanker... even after the fact that they are willing to pay for power and water. There is trash strewn on the streets and empty land - animals like cows, pigs, donkeys, dogs, monkeys dig into that trash.

Our infrastructure and human development is worst in the world except some African countries and some failed states.


Aur itney saal saari duniya ko lutney ke baad kiska bala na hoga.

In fact they should thank India and other underdeveloped or developing
countries that aaj unka desh kaafi aagey hai. Agar hum unki technique
sikte tho shayad unse aagey hotey.... :)

Well, if we go by that logic, Afghanistan should be atleast as rich as some European countries because India ko lootne mein Ghazni and company ne bhi kasar nahi rakhi thi.

[sumeetmalik]

Why India Will Beat China

An entrenched and vibrant democracy will ultimately drive India to outperform China socially and economically

by William Nobrega (http://www.businessweek.com/bios/William_Nobrega.htm)



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Authoritarian regimes often yield impressive short-term economic results, as seen in Germany in the 1930s, the Soviet Union in the 1950s, Brazil in the 1960s, and China in the 1990s. Unencumbered by such things as property rights, legal recourse, and public debate, the authoritarian regime can harness significant economic and political resources to create impressive industrial and economic feats.
Conversely, democratic regimes tend to be sloppy affairs with loud public discourse, a vocal press, stubborn land owners, and a myriad of civil liberties. Far from being able to harness economic resources, the government often must act more as a regulator. The result is that there are very few grandiose government-sponsored projects. Instead, there are countless private-sector initiatives driven by the invisible hand of the market. While the authoritarian regime is envied by some, the fact is that longer term, this type of socioeconomic model has typically led to economic and social distortions.
That is the dilemma that China faces today. Since the 1980s, the Chinese government has focused on developing an export-driven economy supported by an artificially undervalued currency. Foreign direct investment was encouraged while domestic consumption was limited. Massive infrastructure projects were initiated, fueled by a growing trade surplus, with cities sprouting up in the hinterlands like some mythical phoenix. For years, the Chinese economy benefited from these policies with double-digit gross domestic product growth, vast foreign currency reserves, and ever increasing capital inflows.
Inflation Could Spark Social Unrest

But now the economic and social distortions have begun to appear with rising inflation rates, numerous asset bubbles, looming overcapacity, and rampant institutionalized corruption. The Chinese government finds itself in a quandary. If the government allows its currency to rapidly appreciate to reduce inflation it will drive down exports and fuel unemployment. If it fails to quell inflation, social unrest will quickly unfold.
But even if the hare is running into obstacles of its own design, how will it give India the competitive edge? The advantage comes in the form of an entrenched and vibrant democracy that will ultimately drive India to outperform China socially and economically. Messy, frustrating, and more often than not agonizingly slow, India's democracy would seem to be chaotic at the surface. But if you look deeper you will quickly see why the tortoise will win this race. Let's take a look at two of the major advantages that India's democracy provides:
• Property Rights: As India becomes urbanized many families will choose to sell or borrow against their land so that they can start businesses, buy apartments, or provide education opportunities for their children. India is at the beginning of a gradual migration that is being driven by the development of high-end manufacturing and other sunrise industries that will require a vast pool of semiskilled and skilled labor. This migration will create an increasingly urban India that is expected to attract more than 200 million rural inhabitants to urban centers by 2025, primarily in what are known as secondary or "B & C" cities.
This transition will facilitate the sale of land holdings by an estimated 30 million farmers and 170 million other individuals indirectly tied to the agricultural sector. The sale of these holdings is expected to generate more than $1 trillion in capital by 2025. This capital will have a multiplier effect on the Indian economy that could exceed $3 trillion. The development of the mortgage-backed security and asset-backed security markets, driven by financial institutions like Citigroup (C (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=C)), will create the liquidity required to free up this capital.



China, by contrast, has no rural property rights. China's 750 million rural residents who lease land are at the mercy of the local and regional government as to what compensation they will receive, if any, when they are forced from the land as a result of development, infrastructure improvements, etc. Additionally they have no right to borrow against their lease, and as such they have no assets. In fact, the Chinese government's official figures state that more than 200,000 hectares of rural land are taken from rural residents every year with little or no compensation. According to some estimates, between 1992 and 2005 20 million farmers were evicted from agriculture due to land acquisition, and between 1996 and 2005 more than 21% of arable land in China has been put to non-agriculture use.
The result is not unexpected, with over 87,000 mass incidents (or riots) reported in 2005, a 50% increase from 2003. Many provincial governments in China have begun to use plainclothes policemen to beat, intimidate, or otherwise subdue any peasant that dares to oppose these land grabs. And, as would be expected, the beneficiaries from these policies are developers and corrupt government officials.
• Rule of Law: The rule of law is a fundamental cornerstone of any modern society. India has a legal system that has been in place for well over 100 years. This legal system is internationally respected and includes laws that protect intellectual property as well as physical property. The rule of law creates predictability and stability that allows entrepreneurial behavior to flourish. This is clearly evident in India, with more than 6,000 companies listed in the stock exchanges, compared to approximately 2,000 in China. More telling is the fact that of the 6,000 listed companies in India only approximately 100 are state-owned. This stands in stark contrast to China, where more than 1,200 of the 2,000 companies listed on the exchanges are state-owned.
Can there be any doubt as to where the next Microsoft (MSFT (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=MSFT)) or Intel (INTC (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=INTC)) will be created? Certainly not China!
More than 100 Indian companies that completed initial public offerings as midcap companies now have a market capitalization of over $1 billion. Companies such as Jet Airways (JET.BO (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=JET.BO)), Bharti Tele-Ventures (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?capId=135466), Infosys Technologies (INFY (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=INFY)), Reliance Communications (RLCM.BO (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=RLCM.BO)), Tata Motors (TTM (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=TTM)) (which just acquired Jaguar), Wipro Technologies (WIT (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=WIT)), and Hindalco Industries (HALC.BO (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=HALC.BO)) are becoming multinational competitors with globally recognized brands. China also has numerous companies that have a market capitalization of over $1 billion, but the majority of these are state-owned behemoths recognized by their sheer size and not their nimbleness.
When the rule of law is recognized by investors and foreign companies as something that is beyond question it serves to facilitate additional investments in research and development. For instance, 150 of the top global multinationals now have research and development bases in India. Additionally the U.S. Food & Drug Administration has certified more companies in India then in any other country outside the U.S., a testament to the innovation that free markets and the rule of law foster.

[sumeetmalik]

Little Protection for IP in China

China has a legal system that does little to protect intellectual and physical property rights, a fact highlighted in the 2007 edition of the International Property Rights Index, which ranks China with Nigeria in protecting intellectual property rights. In fact, China's illegal copying of movies, music, and software cost companies $2.2 billion in 2006 sales, according to an estimate by lobby groups representing Microsoft, Walt Disney (DIS (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=DIS)), and Vivendi (VIV.PA (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=VIV.PA)). This figure may in fact be understated as it does not include pirated products that have been shipped to overseas markets by government-controlled Chinese companies.
The rule of law when applied evenly and justly in a democratic society also helps to ensure that wealth accumulation does not favor those individuals in political office or individuals connected to those in political office.
Democracy is a messy thing, especially when you have an electorate that exceeds 600 million people who are motivated to vote. However, democracy also helps to ensure that individual liberties are respected and that the government is responsive and beholden to the will of the people, rich or poor. A democracy also ensures accountability through impartial courts that help enforce and protect such things as property rights, environmental rights, human rights, and good governance.
India's democracy is far from perfect, but it is also quite young, and as incomes rise and the populace becomes more informed we can expect that India's government institutions will become more responsive and transparent.
And what about the hare? Consider this fact: A recent survey found that of the 20,000 richest men in China, more than 95% were directly related to Communist party officials. Where would you place your bet?


William Nobrega is president and founder of the Conrad Group, an emerging-market strategic planning and M&A facilitation firm based in Miami. He has more than 10 years experience in this field and is widely credited for initiating global business models in emerging geographies including Brazil, India, and China. He is co-author of the recently published book, Riding the Indian Tiger: Understanding India, the World's Fastest Growing Market.

[dreamer]

What the hell is going on ....


Criticizing everything .. and doing nothing to help ...

Khud toh chhod -2 ker bhaag gaye ... ub kuch help nahin ker sakte toh why the hell criticizing everything and anything ....


Bhai moderators se anurodh hai ... ki iss thread ko band ker dein ... Bohat bhunda chho aawai hai tadkai -2 yoh padhkai kimmai or ulta seedha lakadaiga moonh tai ... na toh kripya karkai kuch raasta batao ki main jatland per na aaun .. I really mean it !!

[mukeshkumar007]

What the hell is going on ....


Criticizing everything .. and doing nothing to help ...

Khud toh chhod -2 ker bhaag gaye ... ub kuch help nahin ker sakte toh why the hell criticizing everything and anything ....


Bhai moderators se anurodh hai ... ki iss thread ko band ker dein ... Bohat bhunda chho aawai hai tadkai -2 yoh padhkai kimmai or ulta seedha lakadaiga moonh tai ... na toh kripya karkai kuch raasta batao ki main jatland per na aaun .. I really mean it !!

thand rakh thand..ankh band kar aur ek glass pani peele..aur pher thodi dair beharan ne ghoom aa sab sehi ho jayega..

[cooljat]

Bhai Dreamer ... come outta ur dreams and welcome to real world!! ...err Real India! ;) dude, truth always hurts n tastes bitter! :)

We're doing positive criticism here, as I said earlier that one should be realistic as well loyal to his country!

Aur bhai tanne itna hi chho aawe se yo thread pad ke to pada hi mat na kar mere yaar ... its that simple! ... aur agar datta na jaave hai tere te to fer Baraf chaab le .. thand pad jaagi, believe me! :D:p

Why to lock this thread, if someone is figuring out the very issues ... why u getting frustrated, come on be a sport dont be a escapist! :)


Rock on
Jit



What the hell is going on ....


Criticizing everything .. and doing nothing to help ...

Khud toh chhod -2 ker bhaag gaye ... ub kuch help nahin ker sakte toh why the hell criticizing everything and anything ....


Bhai moderators se anurodh hai ... ki iss thread ko band ker dein ... Bohat bhunda chho aawai hai tadkai -2 yoh padhkai kimmai or ulta seedha lakadaiga moonh tai ... na toh kripya karkai kuch raasta batao ki main jatland per na aaun .. I really mean it !!

[anuchhikara]

Bhai Dreamer ... come outta ur dreams and welcome to real world!! ...err Real India! ;) dude, truth always hurts n tastes bitter! :)

We're doing positive criticism here, as I said earlier that one should be realistic as well loyal to his country!

Aur bhai tanne itna hi chho aawe se yo thread pad ke to pada hi mat na kar mere yaar ... its that simple! ... aur agar datta na jaave hai tere te to fer Baraf chaab le .. thand pad jaagi, believe me! :D:p

Why to lock this thread, if someone is figuring out the very issues ... why u getting frustrated, come on be a sport dont be a escapist! :)



Rock on
Jit


Yes..... Mr. Jeet .... u r quiet right.....that this thread will awake ppl...and let them know what is real Indai....

but just doing criticism......anyone can't change any kind of condition of Indai.....so I feel.......besides this criticism...one should do some work on this so called criticism as well....n why dont u be initiative.....

[cooljat]

thanx for the suggestion Ms Anu ji .. :)

Well, positive criticism is necessary to figure out the various issues, n yeah I agree that one must do something better to solve the very issues!

Btw, in fact its not that hard ... just be a more responsible citizen & hv some civic sense and practice ur duties then rights!! I beleieve thats more then enough for now n fyi am already improving myself hence improving India! :)

But, tell me how many Indians think n work this way?? ... less then .001%, so chances r nil to see improved India in near future!!,...

Thanks!


Rock on
Jit


Yes..... Mr. Jeet .... u r quiet right.....that this thread will awake ppl...and let them know what is real Indai....

but just doing criticism......anyone can't change any kind of condition of Indai.....so I feel.......besides this criticism...one should do some work on this so called criticism as well....n why dont u be initiative.....

[VPannu]

Yes..... Mr. Jeet .... u r quiet right.....that this thread will awake ppl...and let them know what is real Indai....

but just doing criticism......anyone can't change any kind of condition of Indai....so I feel.......besides this criticism...one should do some work on this so called criticism as well....n why dont u be initiative.....
aanhey, kunnse dess ka jikraa kar ri se yhaade?
tere naam me Chhikara ka Hichkara bana du te kissaa ak rahve? :rock

[deepshi]

Pannu Oakleigh mate:D...nhi maaney tu
:D
aanhey, kunnse dess ka jikraa kar ri se yhaade?
tere naam me Chhikara ka Hichkara bana du te kissaa ak rahve? :rock

[mukeshkumar007]

besides this criticism...one should do some work on this so called criticism as well....n why dont u be initiative.....

Gandhiji took initiative and million of ppl followed him, today if a person takes an initiative for any good cause thousands of ppl come to pull his leg back. That’s a fact & proved here on Jatland as well.

[sidchhikara]

aanhey, kunnse dess ka jikraa kar ri se yhaade?
Tere naam me chhikara ka hichkara bana du te kissaa ak rahve? :rock


hahahaha !!!.....

[rajivsp]

Who needs an Expensive IPod or Walkman

http://f946.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f86203%5fAKURaMsAAW6ESIgGNQWDnyAAa ik&pid=13&fid=Inbox&inline=1


Hot water system. Home made


http://f946.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f86203%5fAKURaMsAAW6ESIgGNQWDnyAAa ik&pid=6&fid=Inbox&inline=1


Transportation – 1 – Toyota Co(w)rolla
Because Petrol isExpensive why not use a Cowrolla
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Transportation – 2 –pick-up truck !!!

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************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****
Ambulance
You are going to diebe4 you even get to theHospital



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I just love Africa , simple and notcomplicated.
We are just who weare.
Nostress.
I am proud to beAfrican.

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This vehicle was seen near Makerere , Zimbabwe



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Human ingenuity?
Painting the swimmingpool.

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Must be Zimbabwe ???

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Listen – English is only a 2nd language !!!
You've got to makeallowances.

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'Nuff said !!!

[spdeshwal]

So far, so many members have given their view, opinions and some solid grounds for feeling proud of or not feeling proud of India that is our motherland.

I agree with almost every point members have made regarding shortcomings, bad practices, corruption etc.

But I am still not convinced, why shouldn't we feel proud of our country, our mother land. I am not convinced about the criterion or say parameters that could complete a definition of National pride to emotions one could have for .

So far I have come to the point that feeling proud for the country is very 2 personal perception and feeling!

I wish to share with you all a true and very simple story of the simplest people of the land that explains me most vividly the meaning of Self Pride, family Pride and National Pride!


मेरे गाँव मिक एक हरिजन सैनिक था मुनि राम स्पुत्र श्री रायित
मुझे सही २ नही पता वह किस कोर /पलटन में था
सायद , किसी सहायक सेवा , सफाई कर्मचारी आदि में रहा होगा
ये बात ७० के दशक के अन्तिम सालों की है या ८० के दशक के शुरू की , बार्डर पर कुछ लडाई के आसार थे
तब छूटी पर गए कुछ सनिको को वापस बुला रहे थे , या मुनि राम की छुटी ख़तम हो रही थी

मुनीराम को विदाई का दृश्य आज भी मेरी आंखों के सामने घूम जाता है
उस साधारण परिवार के साधारण सिपाही की विदाई का दृश्य देखिये

टेंपो स्टैंड पर छोड़ने उस का सारा परिवार आया था
ये सब लोग ऐसे चल रहे थे जैसे विवाह के किसी समारोह में सामिल होने जा रहे हों

सबसे आगे मुनीराम के भाई , जो गाँव के चोकीदार थे, मुनादी आदि के लिए या कुश्ती के समय ढोल बजाते थे , ढोल बजाते
चल रहे थे . उसके पीछे आधे नंगे बदन घर के बच्चे चल रहे थे
बच्चों ke पीछे -२ मुनीराम पूरी वर्दी पहने , गले में फूलों के हार से सुसजित हो चल रहे थे
उसके पीछे परिवार की सभी महिलाएं गीत गाती हुई चल रही थी

सबसे पीछे वृद्ध पिता लकड़ी की छड़ी लिए चल रहे थे

मित्रो में आप सब से पूंछना चाहता हूँ , कहीं और देश में ये भावः भरा दृश्य मिल सकता है
जंहा इस पृष्ठ भूमि का सैनिक इतनी शानो -शोकत से , लडाई के बादलों से भरे माहोल में प्रस्थान करता हो

आप सब देखते , वो हरिजन सैनिक, वो परिवार कितना गौरवशाली महसूस कर रह था
वो कचे घरों और गाँधी बस्ती में रहने वाले लोग क्यों इतना गर्व महसूस कर रहे थे

मेरे एक चचेरे भाई ने अनजाने में मजाक किया था , भाई ये इसने घुलन लेजया से एक फौज में छोडन जां सें!
शायद मेरा चचेरा भाई वेदपाल उस गौरव्नित परिवार की देश प्रेम के जज्बे को नही समझ पाया था , और में भी नही !




Khush reho!

[harvinderkadyan]

sach bolu toe humne india main janam liya hai isliye india ko bhara bhula kaise bol sakte hai ............ aur kahi janamliya hota toe gaale de rahe hote ............apni chej sabko achi lagti hai bhai

[brahmtewatia]

deshwal bhaisaheb...the most adorable thing abt yr posts is the honesty nd down to earth feelings tht u portray, r quite reminiscent of gud ol' yester years...aapki ek purani post pesh kar raha hun, wch might b in continuance to yr. abv. post.

...a feeling of nostalgia is vry much apparent in quite a few posts of yours...like "nanhi nanhi boondein"...honestly it gives me goose bumps...nd i also get lost in same kind of imagination...those days r gone nd so are the ppl nd their feelings. :)


Oh my God! I am feeling it now! it is like a film in front of my eyes. My home in my village was at the entrance to the village. It was like regular site, a soldier going back to unit. All the family members would accompany him to the Makrauli Railway station or after the Road connection was established, would come to the tempo stand. One would hold his "bistar bandh" and another his "ghee ki pipi". Missing from this small journey would be his wife. Most of the time the spouse wouldn't accompany. Most heartening moment would be when the soldier leaving his house and wouldn't be able to say good bye to his wife. Hugging his wife to bid good bye was out of that world. most of the time the departure would be just gazing towards each other while the wife would be in "ghoongaht"

[brahmtewatia]

ये बात ७० के दशक के अन्तिम सालों की है या ८० के दशक के शुरू की , बार्डर पर कुछ लडाई के आसार थे
तब छूटी पर गए कुछ सनिको को वापस बुला रहे थे

deshwal bhaisaheb...haqeeqat ki duniya mein aaiye, we r now in 21st century...those days r gone, so are the ppl nd their feelings. :p:)

[Nishantrathi82]

Yaar still we have many things which can make you proud standing in front of many countries-
From Sports-
-Sachin Tendulkar(Cricket)
-Vishwanathan Anand(Chess)
-Geet Sethi, Pankaj Advani (Billiards & Snooker)
-Leander paes( Tennis)
-Dhyan chand, Dhanraj Pillay(Hockey)

From Business World-
-Tata's
-Birla's
-Ambani's
-Lakshmi Mittal
-Sunil Bharti
-Premji
-Narayanmurti

We are performing as one of the largest country in BPO sector , may be in IT sector also.
Some other names are great Aryabhatt, Mr. Kalam, Sarojini naidu, Mahatama Gandhi...............

[amritameerut01]

Apart from what Nishant ji has qouted we have-
Largest Democracy.
Kalpana chawla
UNO-police advisor- Kiran Bedi
First to make hat trick in test matches in first over- Irfan Pathan(2006)
Zero was given by India
Decimal system was given by India.
Higest gravity Dam in the world- Bhakra Nangal Dam (Punjab)
Longest Platform in the world- Kharagpur (WB)
Skilled manpower....that is y America is outsourcing many of its jobs....
and many moreeeeeeee
Yaar still we have many things which can make you proud standing in front of many countries-
From Sports-
-Sachin Tendulkar(Cricket)
-Vishwanathan Anand(Chess)
-Geet Sethi, Pankaj Advani (Billiards & Snooker)
-Leander paes( Tennis)
-Dhyan chand, Dhanraj Pillay(Hockey)

From Business World-
-Tata's
-Birla's
-Ambani's
-Lakshmi Mittal
-Sunil Bharti
-Premji
-Narayanmurti

We are performing as one of the largest country in BPO sector , may be in IT sector also.
Some other names are great Aryabhatt, Mr. Kalam, Sarojini naidu, Mahatama Gandhi...............

[choudharyneelam]

SABHYATA is what which makes a great difference and makes me feel proud for my nation :)

rest....progress/developments are the things for other comparisons that could be ranking or survival for the competition or for the like things

Bharat desh ki Sabhyata hi hai jo itne foreigners ko yahan kheench laayi aur unhe apne mein sameit liya.....now that's other part that our Indians are more influenced with the western culture

Modernisation is good...but...westernisation is like losing our very own identity in terms of culture

so this is my reason for having unbounded/limitless love and attachment with country INDIA (culture which differentiates me from others with a special honour)

:)

[gaganjat]

Thats it !


SABHYATA is what which makes a great difference and makes me feel proud for my nation :)

rest....progress/developments are the things for other comparisons that could be ranking or survival for the competition or for the like things

Bharat desh ki Sabhyata hi hai jo itne foreigners ko yahan kheench laayi aur unhe apne mein sameit liya.....now that's other part that our Indians are more influenced with the western culture

Modernisation is good...but...westernisation is like losing our very own identity in terms of culture

so this is my reason for having unbounded/limitless love and attachment with country INDIA (culture which differentiates me from others with a special honour)

:)

[sukhda]

Hi all, I have somethin to share.....infact its the best possible time to pour out my feelings coz i am experiencin it at the moment n first hand experience is always the best one!!!:)
Well, I am in toronto at present as it was my childhood dream to study abroad. Though it was least expected at this juncture nyhow I still managed to make my way and took admission in Masters of law program at University of Toronto. Everythin is perfect here...teachers, fellow students, lectures, infrastructure......everythin.....but it all seem to be fake n artificial at times. You see people in sub stations, roads, malls.....they have such cold looks, they have turned themselves into machines, busy earnin money n spendin all on weekends.....they lack the warmth, the kind of culture we have, strong family ties.....they r so mechanical about everythin in life.....Well, I m not being critical here, infact tryin to locate the difference between our nation n these nations....ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY IN LIFE.......which nation doesn't have its share of problems....I must say INDIA is way ahead in aspects which makes a country great!!!
Well, my decision for pursuing Masters was great and withdrawin from the course is the best one!!! This trip has enhanced my vision and has really helped me to knw this world better. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE TO ONE'S OWN NATION, BE IT IN TERMS OF NYTHING!!! But it was worth comin here or I would have never realized the importance of my nation, my family, my roots nd my culture.....m really happy that I m goin back with all the positivity which would help me to serve my nation better:)

Regards
Sukhda

[choudharyneelam]

Hi all, I have somethin to share.....infact its the best possible time to pour out my feelings coz i am experiencin it at the moment n first hand experience is always the best one!!!:)
Well, I am in toronto at present as it was my childhood dream to study abroad. Though it was least expected at this juncture nyhow I still managed to make my way and took admission in Masters of law program at University of Toronto. Everythin is perfect here...teachers, fellow students, lectures, infrastructure......everythin.....but it all seem to be fake n artificial at times. You see people in sub stations, roads, malls.....they have such cold looks, they have turned themselves into machines, busy earnin money n spendin all on weekends.....they lack the warmth, the kind of culture we have, strong family ties.....they r so mechanical about everythin in life.....Well, I m not being critical here, infact tryin to locate the difference between our nation n these nations....ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY IN LIFE.......which nation doesn't have its share of problems....I must say INDIA is way ahead in aspects which makes a country great!!!
Well, my decision for pursuing Masters was great and withdrawin from the course is the best one!!! This trip has enhanced my vision and has really helped me to knw this world better. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE TO ONE'S OWN NATION, BE IT IN TERMS OF NYTHING!!! But it was worth comin here or I would have never realized the importance of my nation, my family, my roots nd my culture.....m really happy that I m goin back with all the positivity which would help me to serve my nation better:)

Regards
Sukhda

:):):):):)

[jyotikohar]

really dont know ki abroad me kya acha nahi lga par kuch tha jo jo akhar raha tha..........i visited europe n i was dying to come back rather my husband n my dolls are with me par phir bhi mera mann nahi laga aur hum 1 month ka vacation 15 din me hi khatam kar ke aa gaye..........infact mujhe wahan sab jhuta sa nakli sa lga....yahan bhi aisa nahi hai ki ye sab na ho par hawa mitti sab apne hain atlast.......APNA DESH APNA HAI SABSE ACHA!!!!!! jaise apni ma sabko pyari lagti hai aise hi apna desh !!!!!

[choudharyneelam]

APNA DESH APNA HAI SABSE ACHA!!!!!! jaise apni ma sabko pyari lagti hai aise hi apna desh !!!!!

Exactly!!.....we never count how many times we were scolded/beaten but always like lo lie down in her lap :)

[vikas83goyat]

:) ya no dought that we are very much capable of doing things better… the Indian are intelligent, have logical and analytical thinking. Par “abhi delhi door hai” dostoon. We are performing better than before but still we won just 1 gold and 2 bronze in Olympics. We have to work even more hard to win the race.

N someone said that the people abroad have become more mechanical, I agree with his/her point but want to add that when India will be a developed country, we may also be the same. The people abroad have a systematic way of doing things, well organized and scheduled tasks/job/living, this is because they have the infrastructure to support that kind of living. Once we will reach to their standard, I think we may behave in the same manner. If you look at our new generation they are faster than us and the gap will go on increasing.

Earlier we didn’t have a culture of going to far-off places to study/work, now we people are doing the same. And gradually, who knows, we will be as developed as the Europeans and Americans, not only in terms of technology but also in behavior and conduct. So instead of thinking whats wrong with those people and we are better, we must extract/adopt the good things from there.

Sell what others feel is good n not what u feel is good.

[choudharyneelam]

:) ya no dought that we are very much capable of doing things better… the Indian are intelligent, have logical and analytical thinking. Par “abhi delhi door hai” dostoon. We are performing better than before but still we won just 1 gold and 2 bronze in Olympics. We have to work even more hard to win the race.

N someone said that the people abroad have become more mechanical, I agree with his/her point but want to add that when India will be a developed country, we may also be the same. The people abroad have a systematic way of doing things, well organized and scheduled tasks/job/living, this is because they have the infrastructure to support that kind of living. Once we will reach to their standard, I think we may behave in the same manner. If you look at our new generation they are faster than us and the gap will go on increasing.

Earlier we didn’t have a culture of going to far-off places to study/work, now we people are doing the same. And gradually, who knows, we will be as developed as the Europeans and Americans, not only in terms of technology but also in behavior and conduct. So instead of thinking whats wrong with those people and we are better, we must extract/adopt the good things from there.

Sell what others feel is good n not what u feel is good.


u might be correct which again can only be justified after some change (in any terms) :)

but for the last satement i'll say....we can easily inculcate what we feel good but after learning about other's interest/choice (now this is a kind of extra effort)

[Nishantrathi82]

really dont know ki abroad me kya acha nahi lga par kuch tha jo jo akhar raha tha..........i visited europe n i was dying to come back rather my husband n my dolls are with me par phir bhi mera mann nahi laga aur hum 1 month ka vacation 15 din me hi khatam kar ke aa gaye..........infact mujhe wahan sab jhuta sa nakli sa lga....yahan bhi aisa nahi hai ki ye sab na ho par hawa mitti sab apne hain atlast.......APNA DESH APNA HAI SABSE ACHA!!!!!! jaise apni ma sabko pyari lagti hai aise hi apna desh !!!!!


Correct Jyoti di even i got the project for Australia and i was there for around 2 months but really i missed my home by country my parents, friends every one a lot. Then my company asked if you want to stay we have another project in Germany you can directly go there but i was dying to come back so i said no to them and came back to my own home i.e. INDIA. We have lot of opprtunities here itself even if they were not i will prefer to stay here :)

[dkumars]

Kissi ka signature tha ... Apne toh apne hote hai baaki sab sapne hote hai :)

[ygulia]

Some of the members are writing here about home sickness instead of providing the information why they are proud to be an Indian. Guys, please do not derail the topic.
Thanks.

[deepshi]

haha-Homesickness..:D
right on...

[amans]

Keeping emotions aside, what has India done for you that you feel proud to be an Indian?



____________________________________

"I have known a vast quantity of nonsense talked about bad men not looking you in the face. Don't trust that conventional idea. Dishonesty will stare honestly out of countenance any day of the week, if there is anything to get got by it." - Dickens

[VPannu]

Keeping emotions aside, what has India done for you that you feel proud to be an Indian?
India ki jameen pe wo kannak uggi thi jisko khaa ke you were able to reach where you are now and your existance on this planet is by the grace of that land only. Shouldn't that land get some credit for bringing you up apart from you mother? Now, having said that, I ask you, What have you done for India to feel proud of you?

[amans]

India ki jameen pe wo kannak uggi thi jisko khaa ke you were able to reach where you are now and your existance on this planet is by the grace of that land only. Shouldn't that land get some credit for bringing you up apart from you mother? Now, having said that, I ask you, What have you done for India to feel proud of you?

Being born in place is a matter of pure luck good or bad and is in the hands of God. If India was so great, people would not be leaving it. Actually India was made a mess of by socialist policies of politicians. How things change. Western traditions which were looked down upon are being copied in India. Where are the traditions of India now? If they were so great to begin with? Pollution, corruption, long lines for everything, heavy traffic, hypocrisy etc. are some things that I remember India for. Good things may be let me think..close knit familes, friends, historic places, food, etc. So it was good in some aspects and bad in some.

[ygulia]

Being born in place is a matter of pure luck good or bad and is in the hands of God.
There is a lot to be proud of being an Indian. This thread does not ask you to give your views why you hate India. It will be nice if you write points why are you proud of India. No body asked your view on India's policy. If you do not then please simply keep quite.

[sidchhikara]

There is a lot to be proud of being an Indian. This thread does not ask you to give your views why you hate India. It will be nice if you write points why are you proud of India. No body asked your view on India's policy. If you do not then please simply keep quite.

He might feel prouder if he did'nt have Indians shouting him down and telling him to shut up !!

[pnauhwar21]

I feel proud to be Indian due to lot of things..

1) India is the only place, where I can get a licence without any written or driving test

2) I never have to worry about points on my driving license or increase in insurance premium if I break a traffic law..Rs. 100 is all I need to avoid all hassles

3) I just have to pay chai-pani kharcha to Electricity employee and I can easily get a discounted electricity bill every month

4) I have total freedom in my country..spit anywhere I want whether its govt hospital, Electricity board or whatever. Can throw my trash on roads as there are enough cows to eat them (aur meri taraf se go-daan ka jimma bhi khatam)

5) No rules to follow anywhere..I can drive in opposite direction, speed at 120 km in 30 km zone, lanes - what are they? Can u get such freedom anywhere?

6) I can sit on my desk and curse the whole Indian society, politics and administration for a pathetic India inspite of me being an integral part of that very system.

India haters - grow up..if you hate India, you obviously hate Indians as they are part of that India..so why are you interacting with very same indians? If US or Europe are best, why don't you just make friends with the educated, intelligent firangs?

India is growing at a much faster pace than europe or even US compared to when it was actually independent. More than 50% of the problems in India are created by people like you and me who feel proud of breaking the laws and curse the system created by yourself. In spite of so many problems, India is on world map - all because we are capable and are reaching towards that goal. Our generation is much more educated and knowledgeable than previous generations and have the power to bring change. Thats the reason Indians are at top strata in US n UK..

US and other developed countries are ahead just because of three reasons. Low population, basic infrastructure available for everyone and civic sense in people. Otherwise they have the same problems as India - bad politicians, corruption, thefts, rapes, bad police, etc. No country is bad, its the people who make it bad or good. If you are able to instill the sense of responsibility in everyone around you, our country would not be far behind.

[sumeetmalik]

Something to feel proud about. Two Indian writers make it to Booker Short-list. And one of Them is Arvind Adiga with his book The White Tiger. (I had mentioned about it earlier). He is the youngest on the list and his book is immensely readable; An idea that would have sounded outlandish in India a few years ago.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080064747&ch=9/9/2008%208:57:00%20PM

[sukhda]

Well said...thats what deep understandin is all bout!!!:) Wish all of us cud ponder over before cursing....Problems have solutions too.....which nation doesn't have its share of problems....but we believe in critcizing, more than finding solutions...coz we love doin it all the time coz its really easy and satisfyin....Thats the biggest irony I guess!!!



US and other developed countries are ahead just because of three reasons. Low population, basic infrastructure available for everyone and civic sense in people. Otherwise they have the same problems as India - bad politicians, corruption, thefts, rapes, bad police, etc. No country is bad, its the people who make it bad or good. If you are able to instill the sense of responsibility in everyone around you, our country would not be far behind.[/quote]

[brahmtewatia]

india is growing at a much faster pace than europe or even us compared to when it was actually independent. More than 50% of the problems in india are created by people like you and me who feel proud of breaking the laws and curse the system created by yourself. In spite of so many problems, india is on world map - all because we are capable and are reaching towards that goal. Our generation is much more educated and knowledgeable than previous generations and have the power to bring change. Thats the reason indians are at top strata in us n uk..

Us and other developed countries are ahead just because of three reasons. Low population, basic infrastructure available for everyone and civic sense in people. Otherwise they have the same problems as india - bad politicians, corruption, thefts, rapes, bad police, etc. No country is bad, its the people who make it bad or good. If you are able to instill the sense of responsibility in everyone around you, our country would not be far behind.

.......... :)

[cooljat]

Quality rational reply that makes sense !! :)
Kudos to u .. Bhai Nauhar!


I feel proud to be Indian due to lot of things..

1) India is the only place, where I can get a licence without any written or driving test

2) I never have to worry about points on my driving license or increase in insurance premium if I break a traffic law..Rs. 100 is all I need to avoid all hassles

3) I just have to pay chai-pani kharcha to Electricity employee and I can easily get a discounted electricity bill every month

4) I have total freedom in my country..spit anywhere I want whether its govt hospital, Electricity board or whatever. Can throw my trash on roads as there are enough cows to eat them (aur meri taraf se go-daan ka jimma bhi khatam)

5) No rules to follow anywhere..I can drive in opposite direction, speed at 120 km in 30 km zone, lanes - what are they? Can u get such freedom anywhere?

6) I can sit on my desk and curse the whole Indian society, politics and administration for a pathetic India inspite of me being an integral part of that very system.

India haters - grow up..if you hate India, you obviously hate Indians as they are part of that India..so why are you interacting with very same indians? If US or Europe are best, why don't you just make friends with the educated, intelligent firangs?

India is growing at a much faster pace than europe or even US compared to when it was actually independent. More than 50% of the problems in India are created by people like you and me who feel proud of breaking the laws and curse the system created by yourself. In spite of so many problems, India is on world map - all because we are capable and are reaching towards that goal. Our generation is much more educated and knowledgeable than previous generations and have the power to bring change. Thats the reason Indians are at top strata in US n UK..

US and other developed countries are ahead just because of three reasons. Low population, basic infrastructure available for everyone and civic sense in people. Otherwise they have the same problems as India - bad politicians, corruption, thefts, rapes, bad police, etc. No country is bad, its the people who make it bad or good. If you are able to instill the sense of responsibility in everyone around you, our country would not be far behind.

[choudharyneelam]

Well said by Prashant, Sukhda and Vivek.....and next good comment goes to Yoginder who always put his concern for sensible sharing (keeping the view on the right track)

[vikas83goyat]

There is a lot to be proud of being an Indian. This thread does not ask you to give your views why you hate India. It will be nice if you write points why are you proud of India. No body asked your view on India's policy. If you do not then please simply keep quite.


Dude:)... let the people speak because this is how new ideas come and things get elagorate and clear.

[vikas83goyat]

I feel proud to be Indian due to lot of things..

1) India is the only place, where I can get a licence without any written or driving test

2) I never have to worry about points on my driving license or increase in insurance premium if I break a traffic law..Rs. 100 is all I need to avoid all hassles

3) I just have to pay chai-pani kharcha to Electricity employee and I can easily get a discounted electricity bill every month

4) I have total freedom in my country..spit anywhere I want whether its govt hospital, Electricity board or whatever. Can throw my trash on roads as there are enough cows to eat them (aur meri taraf se go-daan ka jimma bhi khatam)

5) No rules to follow anywhere..I can drive in opposite direction, speed at 120 km in 30 km zone, lanes - what are they? Can u get such freedom anywhere?

6) I can sit on my desk and curse the whole Indian society, politics and administration for a pathetic India inspite of me being an integral part of that very system.

hahaha ..... but being a little bit serious... i would like to add that,


India is the largest democracy. Despite of so many religions, languages, terrains & far-off places we are able to work for a common goal



The number of companies listed on the Bombay Stock Exchange, at more than 6,000, is second only to NYSE.



Four out of 10 Silicon Valley startups are run by Indians.



Other than US and Japan, India is the only country to have built a super computer indigenously.



Indians account for 45% of H1-B visas issued by the US every year.



Of the Fortune 500 companies, 270 outsource their software-related work to India.



India has the second-largest pool of scientists and engineers in the world.



In 25 years Indian GDP (on a PPP basis) will be at the same level the US is at today. GDP: ~ 8% currently.



Six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years. No other country has won more than twice.



India consumes a fifth of the world's gold output.



According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds.



Indian Railways is the largest railway network in the world under single management.



India is the world's premier center for diamond cutting and polishing.



India is home to the largest number of pharmaceutical plants (~ 61) approved by USFDA outside the US.



Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires.



There are over 70,000 bank branches in India - among the highest in the world.



India is ranked the sixth country in the world in terms of satellite launches.



With over 800 movies per year, India's film industry overshadows Hollywood.

[ygulia]

hahaha ..... but being a little bit serious... i would like to add that,


India is the largest democracy. Despite of so many religions, languages, terrains & far-off places we are able to work for a common goal


Excellent Vikas

[amans]

India makes lots of movies but the quality of acting is poor, Some movies are scene for scene copies of foreign movies specially hollywood movies. Mahesh Bhatt specializes in plagarizing movie scripts. I don't think he pays for copyrights. There is not a single Indian movie that has won an oscar for foreign films. In hindi movies actors just shout and shout. Shouting is not acting. The quality of music and singing has gone down considerably. After Rafi, kishore, and mukesh, there are very few male singers of any note. Same to same naach gana, bunch of people just dancing in lines, wohi dhun. Not much originality at all.
Just my take on hindi movies.

[vikas83goyat]

India makes lots of movies but the quality of acting is poor, Some movies are scene for scene copies of foreign movies specially hollywood movies.
Just my take on hindi movies.

ya i think its true for many movies... people have found easy way to make money (but its not bad in my view)... not many indians ( %age wise) have seen hollywood movies n thats why these people think of copying... jo bik raha hai woh hit hai....this is business, and is economically viable... if everybody will react like u, it will create competition and then the bollywood people will think of innovation.
So we need cinema globalization :) where all people understand english and common mass will be able to identify which scene is copied. It will take some time.

[amans]

ya i think its true for many movies... people have found easy way to make money (but its not bad in my view)... not many indians ( %age wise) have seen hollywood movies n thats why these people think of copying... jo bik raha hai woh hit hai....this is business, and is economically viable... if everybody will react like u, it will create competition and then the bollywood people will think of innovation.
So we need cinema globalization :) where all people understand english and common mass will be able to identify which scene is copied. It will take some time.

It is not bad in your view!!!!!!
They are stealing scripts dialogue for dialogue. It is a violation of coyprights!!! They should be taken to courts and made to pay damages. They are freeloading off someone else's hard work and making crores. They are thieves. Mahesh Bhatt is a thief and so are many of these hindi/Indian filmakers raking in money by stealing scripts and music from foreigners. The Indian actors including loud mouth and bad dancer Amitabh Bachhhan, fake voice man shah Rukh khan, short, fat man govinda are a disgrace in the name of acting. They cannot dance, they cannot act.

[vikas83goyat]

It is a violation of coyprights!!! They should be taken to courts and made to pay damages. They are freeloading off someone else's hard work and making crores. They are thieves. Mahesh Bhatt is a thief and so are many of these hindi/Indian filmakers raking in money by stealing scripts and music from foreigners.

dude, all i hav to say is.....try to be +ve about things :)

[vikas83goyat]

QUOTES ABOUT INDIA:

Albert Einstein said: We owe a lot to the
Indians, who taught us how to count, without
which no worthwhile scientific discovery could
have been made.


Mark Twain said: India is the cradle of the
human race, the birthplace of human speech, the
mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great
grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most
structive materials in the history of man are treasured
up in India only.

French scholar Romain Rolland said: If there is
one place on the face of earth where all
the dreams of living men have found a home from
the very earliest days when man began the dream
of existence, it is India.

Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA said:
India conquered And dominated China culturally
for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single
soldier across her border.