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ranjitjat
August 4th, 2008, 10:28 PM
http://samajsandesh.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=gurjar&action=display&thread=3&page=2
do not shoot me.
any reaction/gutts reaction-thought about guars site

6. The jat politicians and criminals glorified by this man are real euinuchs otherwise where were they When Chandra Swamy exploited Pamela Singh (alias Pamela bordes) a jat girl from haryana of Miss India Runners fame as a call Girl and served her as prostitute to arms dealer Khasshogi and to many more. It was brave Gujjars who saved some pride for jat farmer community and sent Chandra Swami behind the bars.

shailendra
August 4th, 2008, 11:55 PM
... Ha! Ha! Bhaiyee-re, yo patthae bade hi sataye-ode lage sein Haryana Roadways ki bussa mein; maka ennae apnee 'bhaed-bakriyaan' liye kisi nae bhi chaddan konya diya hoga! :D

ygulia
August 5th, 2008, 06:52 AM
We should not pay attention to such articles rather ignore it.

sandeepkadian05
August 5th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Dudi saab India 1947 me azaad ho liya, Us paache sabne apni baat kahen ki azaadi se.... chahe wo gujjar ho er chahe baniya....

coolphool
August 5th, 2008, 12:07 PM
From my last check it was a White Man who ran the world and not a gujjar or a jat. What the point duking it out?

raka
August 5th, 2008, 06:47 PM
http://samajsandesh.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=gurjar&action=display&thread=3&page=2
do not shoot me.
any reaction/gutts reaction-thought about guars site

6. The jat politicians and criminals glorified by this man are real euinuchs otherwise where were they When Chandra Swamy exploited Pamela Singh (alias Pamela bordes) a jat girl from haryana of Miss India Runners fame as a call Girl and served her as prostitute to arms dealer Khasshogi and to many more. It was brave Gujjars who saved some pride for jat farmer community and sent Chandra Swami behind the bars.
Uncle ji aapne bihri gaam me ek tholla s jisne kaddi khana kahya kare. to un kaddi khanya ke ek chhora ek din ghara aa ke aapni maa ne bolya... maa kaal ta m school koni jau.. ... maa booli k baat rr beta......chhora bolya ak maa mane school me sab kaddi khana kah ke khijawe s......maa booli beta yo gaam s tadke n gobbar khana kah dena bata k muuh pakad lega , beta iss gaam ne kahan de tu aapna kaam karija.............
to uncleji iss jat kaum ke to 35 zaat gail lagri s.....
rahi baat chandra swamy ki to udde har bhiradari ke jaa s....m bi bahut jaya karta uss dhag dhore Qutub Hotel ke pichhe hain uska ashram....
udee sab ta jyadha bahmani aawe s jo uske ashram ki agent s ....ek din to ek bhiwani ke patram gate ki ek congress ki netri s wa takar gi mane , dekh ke dhooli ho gai..............
to sab ta badda shyaan to inn bahmanna pa kiya s uss gujjar ne...
aaj kal ye uss Malika sehrawat ke pichhe padd re s , batao k wa ekli a isse usse seen de s , ye kaam to sabi baddi baddi actress kar rahi hain pher malika par ungali kyu , wo jat hain iss liye ?.....
ye media aale bi kasute s , jitne bi badde leader hue s ...Ch.Chhoturam , Ch.Charan Singh , Ch.Devi Lal , Ch.Bansi Lal , Ch.Omprakash Chautala.....eb aage Ch.Bupindher Hooda .....aur bi kai s ..., sab ke naam ke aage jat leader likh diya taki ye sirf jatto tak simitt rahe......punjab aale jat netao ke aage sikh leader likh diya taki we sikho tak simit rahe.....
ye media aale kisi bahraman neta ke naam ke aage nahi likhte ki bahraman neta hain , ya ye khatriyo ka neta hain ya ye mahajano ka neta hain...........par inne to khaj jata ta s

anuchhikara
August 5th, 2008, 09:53 PM
Uncle ji aapne bihri gaam me ek tholla s jisne kaddi khana kahya kare. to un kaddi khanya ke ek chhora ek din ghara aa ke aapni maa ne bolya... maa kaal ta m school koni jau.. ... maa booli k baat rr beta......chhora bolya ak maa mane school me sab kaddi khana kah ke khijawe s......maa booli beta yo gaam s tadke n gobbar khana kah dena bata k muuh pakad lega , beta iss gaam ne kahan de tu aapna kaam karija.............
to uncleji iss jat kaum ke to 35 zaat gail lagri s.....
rahi baat chandra swamy ki to udde har bhiradari ke jaa s....m bi bahut jaya karta uss dhag dhore Qutub Hotel ke pichhe hain uska ashram....
udee sab ta jyadha bahmani aawe s jo uske ashram ki agent s ....ek din to ek bhiwani ke patram gate ki ek congress ki netri s wa takar gi mane , dekh ke dhooli ho gai..............
to sab ta badda shyaan to inn bahmanna pa kiya s uss gujjar ne...
aaj kal ye uss Malika sehrawat ke pichhe padd re s , batao k wa ekli a isse usse seen de s , ye kaam to sabi baddi baddi actress kar rahi hain pher malika par ungali kyu , wo jat hain iss liye ?.....
ye media aale bi kasute s , jitne bi badde leader hue s ...Ch.Chhoturam , Ch.Charan Singh , Ch.Devi Lal , Ch.Bansi Lal , Ch.Omprakash Chautala.....eb aage Ch.Bupindher Hooda .....aur bi kai s ..., sab ke naam ke aage jat leader likh diya taki ye sirf jatto tak simitt rahe......punjab aale jat netao ke aage sikh leader likh diya taki we sikho tak simit rahe.....
ye media aale kisi bahraman neta ke naam ke aage nahi likhte ki bahraman neta hain , ya ye khatriyo ka neta hain ya ye mahajano ka neta hain...........par inne to khaj jata ta s

yes! raka bhai.....all the statements with exmaples..........jiski samj meh na aata ho.......ve bhi badhiya tharh se samj sakte hain....keep it up!!!

VivekGathwala
August 6th, 2008, 01:50 PM
http://samajsandesh.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=gurjar&action=display&thread=3&page=2
do not shoot me.
any reaction/gutts reaction-thought about guars site

6. The jat politicians and criminals glorified by this man are real euinuchs otherwise where were they When Chandra Swamy exploited Pamela Singh (alias Pamela bordes) a jat girl from haryana of Miss India Runners fame as a call Girl and served her as prostitute to arms dealer Khasshogi and to many more. It was brave Gujjars who saved some pride for jat farmer community and sent Chandra Swami behind the bars.


uncle ji hum kiskiska muuuh band kar sakee seee..............rahi baat chandra swami kii............aaj ke din ghanee hi ise chandra swami hore seee.....rohtak dhoree bhii thaa. ek (rampal ji maharaj)...toh inka te kam hi yoo seee ar rahi baat gujjara kiii ............aaap batao ke ke kaho ge unneee....aaap ne yeh link te dediya ki vee ke keh seee aaapne ya na bataiyeee ki ...Pamela Singh (alias Pamela bordes) a jat girl from haryana ......ude ke kareee thiii....uncle ji tali kadee ek hath te na bajtiii........

regards

vivek gathwala

prashantacmet
August 7th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Uncle ji aapne bihri gaam me ek tholla s jisne kaddi khana kahya kare. to un kaddi khanya ke ek chhora ek din ghara aa ke aapni maa ne bolya... maa kaal ta m school koni jau.. ... maa booli k baat rr beta......chhora bolya ak maa mane school me sab kaddi khana kah ke khijawe s......maa booli beta yo gaam s tadke n gobbar khana kah dena bata k muuh pakad lega , beta iss gaam ne kahan de tu aapna kaam karija.............
to uncleji iss jat kaum ke to 35 zaat gail lagri s.....
rahi baat chandra swamy ki to udde har bhiradari ke jaa s....m bi bahut jaya karta uss dhag dhore Qutub Hotel ke pichhe hain uska ashram....
udee sab ta jyadha bahmani aawe s jo uske ashram ki agent s ....ek din to ek bhiwani ke patram gate ki ek congress ki netri s wa takar gi mane , dekh ke dhooli ho gai..............
to sab ta badda shyaan to inn bahmanna pa kiya s uss gujjar ne...
aaj kal ye uss Malika sehrawat ke pichhe padd re s , batao k wa ekli a isse usse seen de s , ye kaam to sabi baddi baddi actress kar rahi hain pher malika par ungali kyu , wo jat hain iss liye ?.....
ye media aale bi kasute s , jitne bi badde leader hue s ...Ch.Chhoturam , Ch.Charan Singh , Ch.Devi Lal , Ch.Bansi Lal , Ch.Omprakash Chautala.....eb aage Ch.Bupindher Hooda .....aur bi kai s ..., sab ke naam ke aage jat leader likh diya taki ye sirf jatto tak simitt rahe......punjab aale jat netao ke aage sikh leader likh diya taki we sikho tak simit rahe.....
ye media aale kisi bahraman neta ke naam ke aage nahi likhte ki bahraman neta hain , ya ye khatriyo ka neta hain ya ye mahajano ka neta hain...........par inne to khaj jata ta s

Totally agreed bhai sahab........katai 16 aanne sahi baat...............

rinkusheoran
August 7th, 2008, 12:59 PM
i think at the first place we should not give a ear to all these things ...its totally bull.... nthng but only bull....

and it is often said in haryana by non jats that iss bar to CM 35 jaatein banayegi, not a surprise what poor chap has written kyunki ye bhi unn 35 jaaton mein hi aata hain, inke armaan hamesa adhure hai har jagah jahan pe hum hai(jats), aur phir desh mein apni baat kahne ki azadi to hai hi

kuch kutte jaise bhaukne k liye hote hai ye ussi tarah bhaukne k liye hi hai..

so dudeee uncleji jinko bhaukna hai unhe bhaukne do..hum apna kaam karte rahenge.

uncleji " men of few words are the best men"

ysjabp
August 7th, 2008, 01:39 PM
Kuchh To Log Kahenge Logo.n Ka Kaam Hai Kahana
Chhodo Bekar Ki Baato.n ko ..............................

YEH PANKATIYA IS PER PURI TARAH SAHI BAITHATI HEIN.

Gaddi Likadati hai to Kutte Bhossa kare,
Hum thoda hi kutto.n ko marane bahjate hai?

India is a Democratic country , every one open his/her mouth
whatever he/she want to say no body stop them.

IGNORE ALL THIS TYPE OF BULLSHIT .:rock

kaliramanrk
August 10th, 2008, 12:53 PM
:rockITNE DINO KE BAD YO BAAT KAISE YAD AIE. RAHI BVAAT GUJJAR KI TO VO HAMESH LIKHAN SEN KI VEER GUJAR AAP HI BATAO KI KE VEERTA KA KAM KIYA HAI. MAST RAHO KHAO OR MAUJ KARO EK DIN JAB MAHRE BACCHE PAD LIKHKAR BADI POST PAR JANWANGE INKA MOUE APPE HI BAND HOJAGA

dkumars
August 10th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Well i m really sorry to say but dont conclude things by looking one side of the coin. Wo Brahm ji hamesha kehte hai na there is always flip side of coin...
Read this aur agar dil nahi maane toh kuch links hai woh dekhiye. You will find the real truth. Rather than giving space to hatred towards Gujjars, i feel shame on the guy who wrote this as spoiling the name of whole Jat community. The link referred by Dudee ji is a reply of this post. Now please give a glance to this ..

Hi Gujjars

this refers to comment give below by Sanjeev Gujjar.
(I am Hindu GUJJAR(Panwar)from Western U.P. India. We are here in a very good population and are rich and strong farmers.I do'nt know how some gujjars in Pak are saying that they are in very poor conditions? )

Well guys I am also a Gujjar and let me tell you some real truth about gujjars in Western U.P. We are in a very bad shape. Our majority of population still lives below the poverty line. And we are considered as backward classes in India. Caste like Jats and Rajputs do not allow us to sit with them as they consider us as real backward caste.

Our Role in Farming:

As far as gujjars farming background in western U.P is concerned the average land a gujjar boy has in West U.P is 9 Acres which is not haif of as compaired to Jats and Rajputs. In India gujjars are considered as thieves as they used to steal cows and Buffaloes. Some gujjars in Noida (U.P) are rich as they have got the compensation because their land has been acquired by govt. The real farmers in Nothern India are Jats. As they dominate in Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan, West U.P., Delhi.

Our Fighting Skills:

Another imporatant facts about our fightting skills. We are reqesting Inidian Govt to make an Army Regiment in our caste name but it has been denied by the govt. However Rajputs and Jats were invited by Britishers to Join Indian Army and they have their own Regiment. Also note that even in Kargil these two regiments played a major role in winning that war. Please note that real fighters of India are: first is Rajputs, Jats, Maratha, Sikh. This is real fact that these caste use to include Gujjars in their army to take care of their animals.

A well known Indian Army general from Raj Rifles has said that Gujjars cannot become fighters as they can only fight with buffaloes not with armed mens. Some people in U.P says that previously gujjars used to do stealing and now they are doing kidnapping. This is the image we have. Only because we do not realize that we are really behind the mainstream in India. Castes like Jats and rajputs have really done lot of progress in all the fields. I am telling these facts to all of you as I am an Historian. Let me tell you that Western U.P is dominated by Jats and their leader Ajit Singh. and Rajasthan is dominated by Jats and Rajputs, Haryana only by jats, Punjab only by Jats. U.P by Rajputs and Yadav, Bihar by Yadav, Himachal by Rajputs, M.P by Rajputs. I do not understand which part of India do we dominate. We are in majority in kashmir only but in bad shape as Indian army treat us very badly.

Our Contribution in Politics:

We do not have any existence in Indian Politics except Rajesh Pilot however Rajputs has given Prime Minister like V.P Singh, current President and they have number of Cabinet Minister's and Chief Minister's. Jats had their PM Ch Charan Singh and also Fisrt Vice PM of India Devi Lal and also Gyani Jail Singh as President. What do we have?

Contribution in history:

Our contribution in History is nearly zero as compaired to Rajputs. Rajputs showed the great resistence in war with Mughals. Rajputs also ruled at lots of States in India. Rajputs ruled Rajastahn, Himachal, M.P, Maharashtra for atleast 50 years. So are Jat also as they also have their Bharat Pur estate. Jat Raja Todar Mal ruled U.P, Haryan and Delhi. Jat Raja ranjit Singh ruled Punjab. I do not know which part of India did we rule.

Our Role in Cinema:

This role is still we can't think off. However Rajputs have ChandraChur Singh, Preety Zinta, RajKumar, RajKumar Santoshi and many more. Jats have Dharmendra, Sunny , Bobby Deol. Mahima Chawdhry, Arjun rampal, Esha Deol, Malika Sehrawat, Himanshu malik and many more.

Our role in Sports:

Everybody says we are tough guys but I do not know why we are not in Sports. However Rajputs have Yuvraj Singh in Cricket, and 3 players in Indian Hockey Team. Jats have Sehwag, Nehra, harbajan, Kapil Dev and Ajay ratra in cricket and 4 players in Hockey Team like Gangan Sjit Singh and Jugraj Singh. Jats also have the greatest Indian Werstler Dara Singh.

Contribution in Crime:

We have given lot of criminals like Satveer Gujjar, Mehendra Foji, Mahendra Bhati and madan Bhaiya. even most of these guys were fixed single handedly by D.P Yadav.

And now the undisputed criminal of Western U.P are jatan Sirohi, Rakesh Hasanpuria, Sushil Mooch all these guys are Jats. We are not even in crime also.

I do not undersatand where our community is going. Let us realize that we are small community in India and have our own limitations. All our criminals were crushed by either jats cops or by some other criminals.
Situation is not same with Rajputs and Jats criminals. they are given lot liberty. Our MLA from khekra (U.P) is saving his ass from the cops and do not go out of the village Zavli and all the time looking for Jat Leader Ch Ajit Singh support.
Friends I also love my caste however I just tried to bring some hard truth about Gujjars in front of everyone as we are not ready to accept these truth. Let us except these truth and start building our strength the way Rajputs and Jats did. I wish all the best to all of you.

Please click on the link below and find that Gujjars in Rajasthan share theie wife with their brotheres also.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2003/08/31/stories/2003083100250400.htm (http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2003/08/31/stories/2003083100250400.htm)

How cheap we are.

Looking forward to hearing from all of you

Best Regards

Vijay Raj

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Few more links abt this idiot, the language he used and imagine if same is done by some Gujjar on JL then what wud be our reaction. I dont find the content of this post good enough enough to paste here so if u wish u can click otherwise chill.

http://samajsandesh.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=gurjar&action=display&thread=203&page=1#1086

Now if this guy is a Jat then i feel he is seriously sck and needs some mental treatment.

You can consider this post in anyway but i love and respect truth.
Enjoy... Lets blast on Gujjars and generate hatred towards other communities. All the best.. Cheers :rock

dkumars
August 10th, 2008, 03:57 PM
One more from this dickhead
http://samajsandesh.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=gurjar&action=display&thread=5&page=2#56

VivekGathwala
August 10th, 2008, 05:19 PM
thanks for the post DK ...............i hope every bodu will now get the answer
..........good work


regards

vivek gathwala

bahadur1
September 2nd, 2008, 06:30 PM
Thanks Dundi Sahib,

All these things happen due to the sub-castes, such as Panwar falls under Jats, Gujjars, Rajputs, Chamars etc.

Ik kahawat hay " Apne Moonh Minya Mithhu Banana" so everybody wants to show oneself that he in only the superman.

vicky84
September 2nd, 2008, 06:59 PM
Bhai saab logan nai ek bai vo kitab ki jaankari de do nai jo uncle nai lik rakhi sai..Poore reference hai usme ke baman kisse rahe hain jaatan ke khilaf..baaki nyu hai u desh bharat issa hai jjisme Supreme Court ne nyu statement de rakhi sai ke is Desh ka Bhagwan hi Maalik hai...

Uncle ji aapne bihri gaam me ek tholla s jisne kaddi khana kahya kare. to un kaddi khanya ke ek chhora ek din ghara aa ke aapni maa ne bolya... maa kaal ta m school koni jau.. ... maa booli k baat rr beta......chhora bolya ak maa mane school me sab kaddi khana kah ke khijawe s......maa booli beta yo gaam s tadke n gobbar khana kah dena bata k muuh pakad lega , beta iss gaam ne kahan de tu aapna kaam karija.............
to uncleji iss jat kaum ke to 35 zaat gail lagri s.....
rahi baat chandra swamy ki to udde har bhiradari ke jaa s....m bi bahut jaya karta uss dhag dhore Qutub Hotel ke pichhe hain uska ashram....
udee sab ta jyadha bahmani aawe s jo uske ashram ki agent s ....ek din to ek bhiwani ke patram gate ki ek congress ki netri s wa takar gi mane , dekh ke dhooli ho gai..............
to sab ta badda shyaan to inn bahmanna pa kiya s uss gujjar ne...
aaj kal ye uss Malika sehrawat ke pichhe padd re s , batao k wa ekli a isse usse seen de s , ye kaam to sabi baddi baddi actress kar rahi hain pher malika par ungali kyu , wo jat hain iss liye ?.....
ye media aale bi kasute s , jitne bi badde leader hue s ...Ch.Chhoturam , Ch.Charan Singh , Ch.Devi Lal , Ch.Bansi Lal , Ch.Omprakash Chautala.....eb aage Ch.Bupindher Hooda .....aur bi kai s ..., sab ke naam ke aage jat leader likh diya taki ye sirf jatto tak simitt rahe......punjab aale jat netao ke aage sikh leader likh diya taki we sikho tak simit rahe.....
ye media aale kisi bahraman neta ke naam ke aage nahi likhte ki bahraman neta hain , ya ye khatriyo ka neta hain ya ye mahajano ka neta hain...........par inne to khaj jata ta s

vicky84
September 2nd, 2008, 08:40 PM
"Even God will not be able to save this country. In India even if God comes down, he cannot change our country. Our country's character has gone. We are helpless," a bench of Justices B N Aggrawal and G S Singhvi said.

Ye baat humare desh ke judge kevain sain..

Bhupinder
September 19th, 2008, 08:39 PM
We can not denie any truth , This is a lesson for us to stop such things with our people. We should take some step to stop this in future.

We have some way to stop it in future we should make our sena.

dkumars
September 19th, 2008, 11:48 PM
Thanks Dundi Sahib,

All these things happen due to the sub-castes, such as Panwar falls under Jats, Gujjars, Rajputs, Chamars etc.

Ik kahawat hay " Apne Moonh Minya Mithhu Banana" so everybody wants to show oneself that he in only the superman.



Bhai sahb ... may be u didn see the link i gave and the content i pasted from that site which is a post by some jat guy. Dudee ji ne keval uska ek chotta sa hissa parosa hai ... par agar aapko sach mein jaan na hai toh uski teh tak jaaiye .. bhed chaal chalne se kabhi soultion nahi milta :)

skadian123
October 14th, 2008, 11:32 PM
Below is the excerpt from the website Samaj Sandesh written by a fellow Jat. It indeed is one serious and appreciable attempt to collate information on the history/origin of Jats. Thought might as well share it with fellow members. We need more Historians to take up research on Jat History as comparatively very little has been documented about it and hence, more the efforts required.

Dr Natthan Singh writes that Jats were the pure Aryans and their original homeland was Sapta Sindhu. On the basis of historical facts the Jats are reported to be present in India from 3102 BC. [1] [2] They had to migrate from India on economic, social and political reasons for some period but they returned back to India. In the migration also they did not leave their language and cultural traditions. Due to this reason only Jats do not have linguistic or physical similarities with Huns and Scythians. [3] This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization. [4]

Thakur Deshraj, [5] Ram Lal hala [6] and Al-Biruni[7] consider Jats to be the descendants of Krishna.

Sir Herbert Risley declared the Rajput and the Jat to be the true representatives of the Vedic Aryans. [8] Risley has mentioned in 1901 census report that as per their physique Jats are pure Aryans.[9]

Qanungo appeared to rely on Sir Risley's theory. Qanungo wrote, "The European pioneers of Indian antiquities and ethnology apparently started with the presumption that fine and energetic martial peoples like the Rajput and the Jat must have been comparatively newcomer from the north-west into India who overcame the effete descendants of the Vedic Aryans (Hindus)----. [10]

If popular tradition counts for anything, it points to the view that they (Jats) are an essentially Indo-Aryan (Hindus?) People who have migrated from the east to the west and not Indo-Scythian----and No Hindu has been ever known to claim a Chinese origin, but the people of China----[11]

The Jats has been declared by all eminent authorities, to pass successfully the combined test of the physical type and language of true Aryan.” [12]

Khushwant Singh (A well respected Indian Journalist) wrote,

"It is now generally accepted that the Jats who made the northern plains of India their home were of Aryan stock. The origin of the Jats has been exhaustively dealt with by K.R. Quanungo, who states emphatically that the Jats are of Aryan stock (Hindus) that came from Rajasthan into Punjab". [13]

Dr. Trump and Beams very strongly claimed a pure Indo-Aryan descent for Jats both in consideration of their physical type and language, which has been authoritatively pronounced as a pure dialect of Hindi, without slightest trace of Scythian.

C.V.Vaidya in History of Medieval Hindu India writes that-

“Lastly we have to speak about the Jats. Their ethnological characteristics also we have already seen, are clearly Aryans. They are fair tall high nosed and long headed. Does their history contradict of their being Aryans ? ….. They are the purest Aryans in India and belong to the first race of Aryans invaders according to our view the solar race of Aryans. …There is not a scrap of historical evidence even to suggest much less to prove such immigration there is neither foreign mention of their coming into India nor have they any tradition of their own sometime coming into India nor is there any historical India record stone inscription or other of their so coming, and we can only ascribe such theories to that unaccountable bias of the winds of many European and native scholars to assign a foreign and Scythic origin to every fine and energetic caste in India.” [14]


E.B.Havell writes based on physical features and the language that Ethnographic investigations show that the Indo Aryan type described in Hindu epic a tall fair complexioned long headed race with narrow prominent noses broad shoulders long arms thin waists like a lion and legs like a deer is how (as it was in the earliest) most confined to Kashmir the Punjab and Rajputana and represented by the Khattris, Jats and Rajputs. [15]

The Jat historian Thakur Deshraj refers to E.B.Havell as above and Mr. Nesfield who said that-

“If appearance goes for anything the Jat could not be Aryans.” He further refers to distribution of races of ‘North Western Provinces of India’ where it has been said that the arguments derived from language are strongly in favour of the pure Aryan origin of the Jats. If they were Scythian conquerors where there Scythian language gone to and how came it that they now speak and have for centuries spoken an Aryan language, a dialect of Hindi”. [16]

“Jat” approaches closely to that ascribed to the traditional Aryan colonies of India. The stature is mostly tall, complexion fair, eyes dark, hair on face plentiful, head long. Nose narrow and prominent but very long. [17][18]

The original home of Jats is certainly connected with original home of Aryans, since Jat is definitely a tribe of Aryan race. [19]

[edit] Indo-Scythian stock
Both Sir Alexander Cunningham and Col Tod agreed in considering the Jats to be of Indo-Scythian stock. The former identified them with the Zanthi of Strabo and the Jatti of Pliny and Ptolemy ; and held that they probably entered the Punjab from their home on the Oxus very shortly after the Meds or Mands , who also were Indo-Scythians, and who moved into the Punjab about a century before Christ. The Jats seem to have first occupied the Indus valley as far down as Sindh, whither the Meds followed them about the begining of the present era.

But before the earliest Muslim invasion the Jats had spread into Punjab proper, where there were firmly established in the begining of the eleventh century. By the time of Babar, the Jats of the salt range had been in constant conflict with the Gakkhars, Awans and Janjuas. Tod classed the Jats as one of the great Rajput tribes; but here Cunningham differed from him holding the Rajputs to belong to the original Aryan stock,and the Jats to a late wave of immigrants from the north west, probably of Scythian race.

In 'Punjab Castes', Sir Denzil Ibbetson wrote: " .... the original Rajput and the original Jat entered India at different in its history. But if they do originally represent to seperate waves of immigration, it is atleast exceedingly probable, both from there almost identical physique and facial character and from the close communion which has always existed between them, that they belong to one and the same ethnic stock; and it is almost certain that the joint Jat Rajput stock contains not a few tribes of aboriginal descent, though it is probably in the main Aryo-Scythian, if Scythian be not Aryan."

To be contd.

skadian123
October 14th, 2008, 11:34 PM
Continued..

According to Hukum Singh Panwar(Pauria) the theory of Indo-Scythian origin of Jats was under heavy fire with the advent of 20th century. Investigations in the field of philology, anthropology and history armed the critics like Trump, and Beames, Miller and Grierson, Risley and Russel. Elliot and Haddon, Havell and Nesfield, C.V. Vaidya and Vidyalankar, Qanungo and Thakur Deshraj, Y.P.Shastri and Ram Pande, etc to controvert the theory vehemently. [20]

Hukum Singh Panwar (Pauria) further opines that all the Scythian people, who entered India in the century before Christ and White Huns, popularly known as Ephthalites, who invaded India in the 6th century AD could not have been and were not exterminated in toto. Some of them who acquired India as their (new) home, must have been assimilated in Indian society and may have added some foreign element to the Jats also. This does not mean that all the Jats as a whole may be declared to have originated from them. In fact, as the evidences show, the Jats were already there in India before the advent of these hordes, and reality is that India has been without any doubt and exaggeration, the officina gentium of the Jats since the very beginning of civilization. [21],[22]

Calvin Kephart, for the first time, declared that Scythian conveys only geographical sense and there was ethnically no Scythian race.[23], [24]

[edit] Formation of Jat Sangha
The most acceptable theory about the origin of the word, 'Jat' is that it has originated from the Sanskrit language word “Gyat” . The Mahabharata mentions in chapter 25, shloka 26 that Lord Krishna founded a federation ‘Gana-sangha’ of the Andhak and Vrishni clans. This federation was known as ‘Gyati-sangh’. Over a period of time ‘Gyati’ became ‘Gyat’ and it changed to Jat.

Prior to Mahabharata War the kshatriyas were known by their vansha. Pandava vanshi were known as Pandavas, Gandhar Vanshi as Gandhars, Raghuvansha as Raghuvanshi etc. After Mahabharata War the population of kshatriyas came down due to large number of them killed in Mahabharata war. The kshatriyas became week as there was no uniting force. Krishna realized the dangers of this situation. He was a great politician, visionary personality and an expert planner. He knew very well the divisive approach of the various kshatriyas and that their attitude of enmity could not be resolved without bringing them under one umbrella of organization. He therefore united all the kshatriya clans under one organization which was known as Gyati Sangha which was accepted by all kshatriyas. All democratic clans were included in this Sangha. [25]

The vansha of Krishna was also Jat. The idea of formation of federation or sangha was supported by Pandava vanshi Yudhisthira and his brothers. Large number of Mahabharata Period kshatriya clans are found in present day Jats. Pandava vanshi Jats are found in today’s Jat community in Gujaranwala city in Punjab. The then existing Rajavanshas such as Gandhara, Yadava, Sindhu, Naga, Lava, Kushama, Bandar (vanar), Nardeya etc. accepted the proposal of formation of the Jat Sangha and merged into this sangha. The Gandhar clan of Jats is found in Raghunathpura in district Badaun and Aligarh. The Yadava vanshi Jats are found in Dharmpur in district Badaun. Sindhu is a well known clan who gave names to the country Sindh and the Sindhu River. Sindhu Jats are found in Punjab and Haryana. The Naga clan Jats are found in villages Khudaganj and Rampuria in Badaun district. Lava and Kushama gotra are descendants of Rama’s son Lava and Kusha. Both these jat gotras are found in Nagla Magola (नागला मगोला), Soniga Kheda (सोनिगा खेड़ा) district Badaun. Similarly Bandar or Vanar gotra (the gotra of Hanuman) is found in Punjab and Haryana. Nardeya gotra Jats are also found in Kant (कांट) district Muradabad. These are only few examples. There were large number of Jat gotra who accepted Jat Sangha are still found amongst Jats. [26]

[edit] From Gauts or Goths
The other prominent theory of the word's origins is that Jat came from the word Gaut tribal name of some Indo-Aryan tribes of Central Asia (such as those which later became Gauts/Goths and settled in Europe), which was written in 'Jattan Da Ithihas'. It has also been mentioned by Bhim Singh Dahiya.

[edit] From Yat
According to the historian 'Ram Lal Hala' the word Jat is drived from word 'Yat'. There was a king named 'Yat' in Chandravanshi clan who was ancestor of Lord Krishna. The Jats are descendants of King Yat. 'Yat' later changed to 'Jat'.

[edit] Origin of Jats from Shiva's Locks

Shiva and ParvatiThe mythological theory of Origin of Jats from Shiva's Locks was propounded by the author of Deva Samhita. Deva Samhita,[27], [28], [29] is a collection of Sanskrit hymns by Gorakh Sinha during the early medieval period. Devasamhita records the theory of Origin of the Jats in the form of discussion between Shiva and Parvati expressed in shloka (verses) numbering from 12 - 17. Some relevant verses are given below.

Pārvatī asks Shiva, O Lord Bhutesha, knower of all religions, kindly narrate about the birth and exploits of the Jat race. Who is their father?, Who is their mother? Which race are they? When were they born? Having read the mind of Parvati, Shiva said, "O mother of the world, I may tell you honestly the origin and exploits of the Jats about whom none else has so far revealed anything to you. They are symbol of sacrifice, bravery and industry. They are, like gods, firm of determination and of all the kshatriyā, the Jats are the prime rulers of the earth. They are the progeny of the Virabhadra (Shiva's son) and gani, the daughter of Daksha, son of Brahma. The history of origin of Jats is extremely wonderful and their antiquity glorious. The Pundits of history did not record their annals lest it should injure and impair their false pride and of the vipras and gods.

भगवन् सर्वं भूतेश सर्व धर्म विदांबरः।
कृपया कथ्यतां नाथ जाटानां जन्म कर्मजम् ।।12।।
Translation - Pārvatī asks Shiva, O Lord Bhutesha, knower of all religions, kindly narrate about the birth and exploits of the Jat race.
का च माता पिता ह्वेषां का जाति वद किकुलं।
कस्तिन काले शुभे जाता प्रश्नानेतान वद प्रभो ।|13।।
Translation - Pārvatī asks Shiva, Who is their father?, Who is their mother? Which race are they? When were they born?
श्रृणु देवि जगद्वन्दे सत्यमं सत्यमं वदामिते।
जटानां जन्मकर्माणि यन्न पूर्व प्रकाशितं ।|14।।
Translation - Having read the mind of Parvati, Shiva said, "O mother of the world, I may tell you honestly the origin and exploits of the Jats about whom none else has so far revealed anything to you.



महाबला महावीर्या, महासत्य पराक्रमाः Mahābalā mahāvīryā, Mahāsatya parākramāḥ
सर्वाग्रे क्षत्रिया जट्*टा देवकल्*पा दृढ़-व्रता: Sarvāgre kshatriyā jattā Devakalpā dridh-vratāḥ || 15 ||
Translation - "Shiva said, They are symbol of sacrifice, bravery and industry. They are, like gods, firm of determination and of all the kshatriyā, the Jats are the prime rulers of the earth."



श्रृष्टेरादौ महामाये वीर भद्रस्य शक्तित: Shrishterādau mahāmāye Virabhadrasya shaktitaḥ
कन्यानां दक्षस्य गर्भे जाता जट्टा महेश्वरी Kanyānām Dakshasya garbhe jātā jatta maheshwarī. || 16 ||
Translation – "Shiva said, In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and Daksha's daughter gani's womb originated the caste of Jats."



गर्व खर्चोत्र विग्राणां देवानां च महेश्वरी Garva kharchotra vigrānam devānām cha maheshwarī
विचित्रं विस्*मयं सत्*वं पौराण कै साङ्गीपितं Vichitram vismayam satvam Pauran kai sāngīpitam || 17 ||



Translation - "Shiva said, The history of origin of Jats is extremely wonderful and their antiquity glorious. The Pundits of history did not record their annals lest it should injure and impair their false pride and of the vipras and gods."

To be contd.

skadian123
October 14th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Continued..

The two ethnologists, Russel and Hira Lal,[30] give a a different version of the above anecdote in the "Brahmanical legends of origin of the Jats", which is reproduced below:

"The Jats relate the legend thus. On the occasion when Raja Daksha, father-in-law of Mahadeva (Shiva) was performing a great sacrifice, he invited all the gods to present except his son-in-law Mahadeva. The latter's wife, Parvati, was, however, very eager to go; so she asked Mahadeva to let her attend, even though she had not been invited. Mahadeva was unwilling to allow her, but finally consented. Daksha treated Parvati with great want of respect at the sacrifice, so she came home and told Mahadeva about her plight. When Mahadeva heard all this he was filled with wrath and untying his matted hair (jata) dashed it on the ground, whence two powerful beings arose from it. He sent them to destroy Daksha's sacrifice and they went and destroyed it. From these were descended the race of Jats, and they take their name from the matted locks (jata) of the Lord Shiva. Another saying of the Jats is that the ancestors of the Rajputs was from Kashyapa and that of the Jats from the Shiva. In the beginning these were the only two races in India." [31]
It is also mentioned that after the destruction of Daksha's sacrifice by Virabhadra and his ganas, the followers of Shiva, the defeated gods sought Brahma and asked his counsel. Brahma advised the gods to make their peace with Shiva. Shiva accepted his advice and restored the burnt head of Daksha and the broken limbs were made whole. Then the devas thanked Shiva for his gentleness, and invited him to sacrifice. There Daksha looked on him with reverence, the rite was duly performed, and there also Vishnu appeared. A compromise was achieved between Vaishnavas and followers of Shiva.

The above theory was set afloat during the medieval age which is marked by ascendancy of powerful Rajput warriors. It was a period of unhealthy growth of blind superstitions, the decay and death of adventure in science and thought in practical life. It was a period during which "the fairy of the fortune of the Jats, particularly after Harsha Vardhana, had gone to sleep." The theory cast a spell on the mind of the simple Jat folk and soon became popular with them. They were taken by pious fraud that they were born from the highest bodily part (jata) of the highest god (Shiva) where as all others are born of the lower part of Brahma.[32]

According to Y.P. Shastri[33] the theory was propounded to win back the Jats, who had en mass embraced Buddhism, to Neo-Hinduism preached and propagated by Shankaracharya and his followers. This theory seemed to work wonders as there are no followers of Buddhism in Jats. Whereas Y.P. Shastri hints at religious purpose of the theory, Dr.A.B. Mukerjee,[34]an ethno-geographer stresses its political and social purpose. According to him " at the end of the ancient period of Indian History great instability prevailed in the social structure of the people and great political changes were effected. The Rajputs became the rulers and Jats their subject, a fact very well borne out by historical data (Ibbetson:1916) consequently, the social status of the latter groups declined and they were regarded as of lowly ranks. Of course, after the fall of Harsha Vardhana of the Aulikar or Virk gotra, the political and social status of the Jats especially in Rajasthan, had declined to a great extent. Possibly to counteract the intolerable superiority assumed by the Rajputs, this theory might have been invented. [35]


Bhim Singh Dahiya[36] points to yet another purpose of the theory. According to him "Something must have happened in the sixth or seventh century AD, during the course of the revival of orthodox Brahmanism, which made these people (Jats) persona non grata with the new orthodox. That is why when the Puranas were revised, their historical details and even their names were removed therefrom. It is perhaps to this state of affairs that the Deva Samhita refers when it records that " nobody has published the truth about the origin and activities of the Jat race." At another place he assumes that "the Jats were the first rulers in the vast central asian plains as per Deva Samhita."[37]


The theory is obviously figurative and its use is simply allegorical. The meaning it conveys is that there were so many ganas of warrior tribes at the command of Virabhadra or Kartikeya, the son of Shiva, whose abode was the Sivalak mountain. The function of this mythological theory is to ensure a more honourable antiquity and status to the Jats in comparison with others, especially Brahmans like Kephart, Jewitt and Waddel count the Jats among the ruling races of prehistoric times in India. [38]

According to Hukum Singh Panwar(Pauria), it may, however, be interesting to note that a Jat tribe, living in about 25 contiguous villages in Jind district of Haryana and about 5 villages in Nangloi block of Delhi , goes by its gotra name as Shivakhande or Sheokhand. of late this gotra has been Arabicised as Shokeen in Delhi villages. Yet the elders of Sheokhand Khap area take pride in the fact that they originally hail from the Dharans, whose kingdom was rather misnomered as "Gupta empire" in Indian history. Be that as it may, one thing is plausible about the Jats of Sheokhande clan. They must be the Sivas who fought against the Bharatas on the Jamuna River in one of the ten Rigvedic wars. They are identified by scholars with the Shivis[39] or the Sibis of the Usinara country in the north of Haridwar near the source of Ganges.[40] The Sivas or Sibis became known as Shivakhande or Sheokhande from and after the Shivalaks, the abode of Lord Shiva, the highest deity of the Jats. Their descent from the Shivalak hills has provided good grounds to the author of Devasamhita to expound this theory. [41]

[edit] Nomenclature of Jat
The nomenclature of the word Jat is variously spelt, in different periods, as Jit, Jat (pl. Jatān), Jat, finally Jāt. The sixth century Pali inscription (dated samvat 597-56 = 541 AD) mentions the race as Jit. Thus the term ‘Jit’ probably derives its nomenclature after the epithet of the founder of the tribe Jit Salindra. [42] According to James Tod, in Rajasthan and Punjab the tribe retained their ancient name Jit. [43], [44]


The Persianized form of the ancient term Jit is Jat (जट) with short vowel and double short ‘t’. [45]

The jatt is generally referred by the Ghaznavid chronicler of the eleventh century (Gardezi, Alberuni, and Baihaqi); [46], [47], [48] in the history of Sind (Chachnama and Tarikh-i-Masumi); by the Delhi Sultanate’s chronicler’s Isami; [49] and by the 18th century mystic writer Shah Wali Allah in his political letters. [50] Thus in the Indus Valley up to Saurashtra, the tribes are known as Jat. [51] The author of Majmulat-Tawarikh tends to believe that the Arabs called the Sindh people Jat. [52] In Sindhi dialect, the term is pronounced as ‘Yat’ and means ‘a camel-driver or breeder of camels’ [53] While the author of Dabistan-i-Mazahib (c. 1665) states that ‘Jat’ in the language of Punjab (read Jataki) means ‘a villager, a rustic’ (dahistani, rusta’i). [54], [55]


During Mughal period, phonetic and dialectic changes occurred, thus Deccan chronicler Firishta mentions them as ‘Jat (जट)’ with short vowel and hard ‘t’. [56] Finally the term gained the present day phonetic in Ain-i-Akbari, when Abul Fazl mentions the tribe as ‘Jāt’ with long vowel ‘a’ and hard ‘t’. It is said that the term derives from middle Indo-Aryan term 'Jata'. [57], [58] In view of O’Brien in Jataki language the ‘Jat (जात)’ – the herdsmen and camel grazer is spelt with soft ‘t’, while the ‘Jat (जाट)’- the cultivator with hard ‘t’. [59] However in present day the tribes, almost all the cultivators, are known as Jāt (जाट) especially in the Yamuna-Ganges Valley. [60]


In Arabanized form, the term is mentioned as Zat or Zutt (in Arabic 'J' changes for 'Z') by the Arab geographers. [61], [62], [63] Thus the nomenclature of the tribe is of post-sanskrit Indian origin and belongs to the Indo-Aryan language. [64]

sannand
October 15th, 2008, 04:22 AM
Why to believe something from a blog site ? What if all of these chaps are simply posers, trying to disrupt the harmony !

Being a Jat is not something to brag about, and being a Gurjar is not something to be ashamed of.

Celebrate humanity.

RSTewatia
December 11th, 2008, 02:49 PM
Hi devender ,
Thanks for bringing the truth about this mad guy,he is totally mad and i think he doesn't hav any real work to do.

I Can't relate myself to this man even if he is a jat,

Bhai agar koi hamare ghar me ghus k aisa galat kam karega to hum to sir faadan ne tayaar ho jaan, aur wo log (gujjar) itna b na bolen,

I condemn this man as for whole, and request all JL members to first read the post given by devender thoroghly, and then decide

wat is wrong and wat is right


Regards
Ravinder Tewatia :rock