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rajeevtomar
September 18th, 2008, 12:18 PM
hello dosto....?

In Musalmanno ki Gulami ke liye tayer ho jaoo sub.....!

plz read this news link. http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/local/uttarpradesh/4_1_4828651.html

kitni himmat haan ki ek hindu gaon me jakar mandir ke pujari ki pitai karna or mandir ka laudspiker baand karwana....!

kyuki unke Roze khulne ka time ho raha tha....

or uppar se Road Jaam karke Therad dena ki hum alap sankhyakh haan.

lakin jab unki masjid me wo Gala phaad ki Chillate haan to koi kuch nahi Bolta, bt ager humare mandir me Arrti ki casset bajti haan to ajj unko problan hone lagi haan....?

kya hoga is Hindu Casst ka.....? Kitni Himmat wala kaam kiya haa in musalmano ne...!

plz sujection me yaaroo....? kuch to karna hoga..... kuyki abhi to time haan yaarooooo

rajeev tomar

rinkusheoran
September 18th, 2008, 12:31 PM
Tomer bhaisahab aap vo bol rahe ho aur vo soch rahe ho jo kuch bad element bulwane chahte hain.....

aisa nahi hai ki koi sidha pujari ke paass gaya hoga aur usse pitna suru kar diya hoga, koi reson raha hoga? may be pujari ne usse kuch kaha ho? verna usse pahle aisa kyun nahi hua? kya vo akela musalmann puri jaat ka thekedarr tha?

ek entellectual ko har ek ka point of view lena chahiye then only one should should act .

bhaisahab musalmano mein bhi bahut jyada jaat hai jaise sikhon mein hai?

so from my point of view lets not make it an issue, n i think casteism is better then religionism. casteism kar lo ...ye sab khatam ho jayega

dkumars
September 18th, 2008, 01:12 PM
mandir masjid dono tod do :D... easy solution ...
abhi hum jaayenge aur masjid ka loud speaker toadd denge.
sab ke sab ek ek baar Gadar dekho fir se aur uthha lo talwaar :p

Bharat mata ki Jai.


Bhai saabh kuch bad elemsnts ki wajah se poore musalmaano ko kyu sambodhit kar rahe hai ... Rinku said right ye aap nahi bol rahe ye aap se bad elemnts bulwa rahe hai. Bhai sochna iske baare mein ki APJ Abdul Kalaam bhi musalmaan hai :)

Nishantrathi82
September 18th, 2008, 02:31 PM
mandir masjid dono tod do :D... easy solution ...
abhi hum jaayenge aur masjid ka loud speaker toadd denge.
sab ke sab ek ek baar Gadar dekho fir se aur uthha lo talwaar :p

Bharat mata ki Jai.


Bhai saabh kuch bad elemsnts ki wajah se poore musalmaano ko kyu sambodhit kar rahe hai ... Rinku said right ye aap nahi bol rahe ye aap se bad elemnts bulwa rahe hai. Bhai sochna iske baare mein ki APJ Abdul Kalaam bhi musalmaan hai :)


Best option :D

skarmveer
September 18th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Bhai aapkey aavahan key javab mein teen logo ney to kanhi na kanhi hinduo kee hee kamee nikalee hai. Or eak din hinduo key liyea esee tarah kee soch mout ka karn baneygee.

Muglon key samay aadhey say jayada hinduo ko muslim bana diya gaya tha or wo bhee jabardasti. Firsay jab bhee yea takatwar ho jayangey wahee karngey.

Kashmir or Pakistan key hinduo kee kahanee saari duniya janti hai sivai padhey likhey hinduo key.

Muslimo kee koshish dekho Aalah key naam per duniya bhar mein bomb fod rahey hai. Hindustan mein jiteny bhee bomb visfot hua sabky liyea jimmeaywari muslamaano ney hee lee hai. Lekin hum to aapnee aap ko gaali deker hee khush ho latey hai.


hello dosto....?

In Musalmanno ki Gulami ke liye tayer ho jaoo sub.....!

plz read this news link. http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/local/uttarpradesh/4_1_4828651.html

kitni himmat haan ki ek hindu gaon me jakar mandir ke pujari ki pitai karna or mandir ka laudspiker baand karwana....!

kyuki unke Roze khulne ka time ho raha tha....

or uppar se Road Jaam karke Therad dena ki hum alap sankhyakh haan.

lakin jab unki masjid me wo Gala phaad ki Chillate haan to koi kuch nahi Bolta, bt ager humare mandir me Arrti ki casset bajti haan to ajj unko problan hone lagi haan....?

kya hoga is Hindu Casst ka.....? Kitni Himmat wala kaam kiya haa in musalmano ne...!

plz sujection me yaaroo....? kuch to karna hoga..... kuyki abhi to time haan yaarooooo

rajeev tomar

dkumars
September 18th, 2008, 03:15 PM
Bhai aapkey aavahan key javab mein teen logo ney to kanhi na kanhi hinduo kee hee kamee nikalee hai. Or eak din hinduo key liyea esee tarah kee soch mout ka karn baneygee.

Muglon key samay aadhey say jayada hinduo ko muslim bana diya gaya tha or wo bhee jabardasti. Firsay jab bhee yea takatwar ho jayangey wahee karngey.

Kashmir or Pakistan key hinduo kee kahanee saari duniya janti hai sivai padhey likhey hinduo key.

Muslimo kee koshish dekho Aalah key naam per duniya bhar mein bomb fod rahey hai. Hindustan mein jiteny bhee bomb visfot hua sabky liyea jimmeaywari muslamaano ney hee lee hai. Lekin hum to aapnee aap ko gaali deker hee khush ho latey hai.



hahahha .. bhai saahb aap tph naraaz ho gaye .. wasie aisi baaton par mein aur aap hamesha ulte hi hote hai .. par abhi bolo kaha chalna hai .. gussa aur josh aa gaya hai .... khatam kar denge saale sapolo musalmaano ko ...

Abb Hindustan keval Hinudo ka hi rahega... koi krishchan mosulmon nahiiiiiiiiii ... jinda dafnadenge ... nahi jammen kaharab ho jaayegi ... suar aur kutto ko khila denge inka maas.

Bhai saahb aapko kyu aisa lagta hai ki hum Hinduo ke khilaaf hai ?
Apni maa sabko achhi lagti hai par iska matlab ye nahi ki kissi aur ki maa ko gaali do ... waise yaha likhne se kuch hone wala toh hai nahi ... toh bhalai issi mein hia ki chup chaap baithe rahe .. iss thread mein josh dikhaane se kya faayda ... kuch badalne waala toh hai nahi ...

Aur bhai ji kai baar jab aisa hota hai toh maien shayad aapse jyada kattar hoon ... saap ko sapole se saath maarne waalo mein se .. kyuki kal ko sapola bhi saamp hi banega .. no mercy ... par yaha ye bakwaas karne ki koi sense hi nahi hai :)

So, juss naare lagao ... Bharat maata ki jai.

Jai Hind :)

skarmveer
September 18th, 2008, 03:15 PM
Bhai hamey eakmat honey kee aadat dalanee chahiyea nahi to hum keese baat per bhee eak mat nahi ho payngey. Agar keese ney Mandir key loudspeeker ko utara hai or pandit kee petai kee hai to jaruri hai uska javab dena.




Tomer bhaisahab aap vo bol rahe ho aur vo soch rahe ho jo kuch bad element bulwane chahte hain.....

aisa nahi hai ki koi sidha pujari ke paass gaya hoga aur usse pitna suru kar diya hoga, koi reson raha hoga? may be pujari ne usse kuch kaha ho? verna usse pahle aisa kyun nahi hua? kya vo akela musalmann puri jaat ka thekedarr tha?

ek entellectual ko har ek ka point of view lena chahiye then only one should should act .

bhaisahab musalmano mein bhi bahut jyada jaat hai jaise sikhon mein hai?

so from my point of view lets not make it an issue, n i think casteism is better then religionism. casteism kar lo ...ye sab khatam ho jayega

dkumars
September 18th, 2008, 03:17 PM
Bhai hamey eakmat honey kee aadat dalanee chahiyea nahi to hum keese baat per bhee eak mat nahi ho payngey. Agar keese ney Mandir key loudspeeker ko utara hai or pandit kee petai kee hai to jaruri hai uska javab dena.


bhai jiiii read the link again .. jawab pehle hi diya jaa chuka hai :)
Panchayat wagarah ho chuki hai aur unhone bhi ghoob khundel khundel ke mara hai gaado :D(musalmaano) ko :)

jitendershooda
September 18th, 2008, 03:22 PM
Bhai je theek ki baat karo to .... Mandir mein loudspeaker bajana galat hai ...... aur galat hai Masjid mein loudspeaker bajana .... ek nirdharit time ke baad ..... this time may be evening half hour or morning half hour .... which are considered to be pooja time for Hindus and namaj times for muslims.

Mein ye poochna chahta hun ki loudspeaker bajane se kya jyada HINDU ho jainge hum?

I remembered two instances for this ....

1) Ek shastri tha Model town mandir ka pujari rohtak mein .... haramkhor sarkari naukri kare tha .... tedkaen 4 baje ooth ke casseete player ka khatka daab ke karke kivad band so jyaya karta ..... duniya ke padhan aale balak roe jao uske karma ne ..... this is most HINDUtva dhari person then?

2) I was in Gurgaon last to last year and in nearby krishan mandir at 11 in night they were BARKING like anything ... balkan ke paperan ke time .... mein son paya na ... gaya ooth ke chaddar aud ke ... dekhya nire HINDU mand rahe hein POOJA karan .... mere samajh te bahar sein ye booja .... maine kahi ek pujari te ... maka ke rolla se bhai ... kyuna padan dette ... ye thare debi-debta bhi na lath marte thare ek kyun rambho so raat ne .... kitne balkan ka nuksan se .... uneh batai ek CANADA se ek HINDU aae hue hein aur wo jagrata (bera na ke chowki ek ke kahi ) wo karva rahe hein bhagwan ke liye .... parsad grahn karein .... maka phooke ne bhai aapne parsad ne .... tumne mil rahe sein paise er jitne jyada milenge iska matlab utne ee ghane rambhoge .... 11.30 baje jake we thambhey ... to socho jo balak paper denge agle din unka ke haal karya hoga in HINDUTVA ke pujarian ne ....

So i am against all these non-sense acts .... haan there must be some poojas but all things have some time .... and regulations ...

Aur mein iss ghatna ko ek sadharan ghatna manta hun .... kyunki agar socho meri jagah us din koe dhadhi wala musalman hota to wahan bhi yahi ho sakta tha .... wo log kahete ki ye dharam ke naam par kar raha hai .... we have to come out of these feelings .... haan agar kuch sahi mein galat hai to uska virodh karo aur ant tak lado uske liye ... but that is something different altogether ....

Er bhai mein nue boojhun hun ... ek in musalmanna ki himmat kad na thi .... ineh apne dekh pe akarman karya ... aur ye sachai hai ki Babar ki mutthi bhar mugal fauj ne raj sthapit kiya tha aur sadhiyon ronda iss ilake ko ... those were british only who have rooted them out completly from indian takht...

cooljat
September 18th, 2008, 03:30 PM
HAHAHA!! :D:D:D Bhai Hooda thats like a Jat's reply! ;) jokes apart very well explained bhai ... :)


Bhai je theek ki baat karo to .... Mandir mein loudspeaker bajana galat hai ...... aur galat hai Masjid mein loudspeaker bajana .... ek nirdharit time ke baad ..... this time may be evening half hour or morning half hour .... which are considered to be pooja time for Hindus and namaj times for muslims.

Mein ye poochna chahta hun ki loudspeaker bajane se kya jyada HINDU ho jainge hum?

I remembered two instances for this ....

1) Ek shastri tha Model town mandir ka pujari rohtak mein .... haramkhor sarkari naukri kare tha .... tedkaen 4 baje ooth ke casseete player ka khatka daab ke karke kivad band so jyaya karta ..... duniya ke padhan aale balak roe jao uske karma ne ..... this is most HINDUtva dhari person then?

2) I was in Gurgaon last to last year and in nearby krishan mandir at 11 in night they were BARKING like anything ... balkan ke paperan ke time .... mein son paya na ... gaya ooth ke chaddar aud ke ... dekhya nire HINDU mand rahe hein POOJA karan .... mere samajh te bahar sein ye booja .... maine kahi ek pujari te ... maka ke rolla se bhai ... kyuna padan dette ... ye thare debi-debta bhi na lath marte thare ek kyun rambho so raat ne .... kitne balkan ka nuksan se .... uneh batai ek CANADA se ek HINDU aae hue hein aur wo jagrata (bera na ke chowki ek ke kahi ) wo karva rahe hein bhagwan ke liye .... parsad grahn karein .... maka phooke ne bhai aapne parsad ne .... tumne mil rahe sein paise er jitne jyada milenge iska matlab utne ee ghane rambhoge .... 11.30 baje jake we thambhey ... to socho jo balak paper denge agle din unka ke haal karya hoga in HINDUTVA ke pujarian ne ....

So i am against all these non-sense acts .... haan there must be some poojas but all things have some time .... and regulations ...

skarmveer
September 18th, 2008, 03:39 PM
Main sirf eak hee baat kehna chahta hun ke jis desh, jaati or dharm mein hamney janm liya hai uskee burai hamey nahi karnee chahiyea chahey wo kitnee hee buri keu nah ho hai to wo hee hamari jananee. Agar usmey kuchh bura/kamee hai to usey door karna chahiyea na kee usmey or kameeya nikalnee chahiyea.

Or bahi hum to kai bey lath lekey ghumey hai inkey pechhey or her tem teyar rhey hai lath bajan ney.


hahahha .. bhai saahb aap tph naraaz ho gaye .. wasie aisi baaton par mein aur aap hamesha ulte hi hote hai .. par abhi bolo kaha chalna hai .. gussa aur josh aa gaya hai .... khatam kar denge saale sapolo musalmaano ko ...

Abb Hindustan keval Hinudo ka hi rahega... koi krishchan mosulmon nahiiiiiiiiii ... jinda dafnadenge ... nahi jammen kaharab ho jaayegi ... suar aur kutto ko khila denge inka maas.

Bhai saahb aapko kyu aisa lagta hai ki hum Hinduo ke khilaaf hai ?
Apni maa sabko achhi lagti hai par iska matlab ye nahi ki kissi aur ki maa ko gaali do ... waise yaha likhne se kuch hone wala toh hai nahi ... toh bhalai issi mein hia ki chup chaap baithe rahe .. iss thread mein josh dikhaane se kya faayda ... kuch badalne waala toh hai nahi ...

Aur bhai ji kai baar jab aisa hota hai toh maien shayad aapse jyada kattar hoon ... saap ko sapole se saath maarne waalo mein se .. kyuki kal ko sapola bhi saamp hi banega .. no mercy ... par yaha ye bakwaas karne ki koi sense hi nahi hai :)

So, juss naare lagao ... Bharat maata ki jai.

Jai Hind :)

rinkusheoran
September 18th, 2008, 03:50 PM
Chahal bhaisahab

Whatever we have written was logical not against hindus, as rightly saiid everybody loves their mother but at the same time its sore to abuse the mother of others.

As someone rightly said " words bring beliefs and beliefs bring actions" , some people try to do it by their spurious allegation on hindus and vice versa( for muslims).

Yahan pe 80 cr hinduwo ko thekedar to Advani aur modi bane huye hai aur musalmano ke ye mujahidin wale, Chahal bhaisahab kahin inn musalmano ki tarah aapko bhi to nahi lagta ki apna dharam bhi khatre mein hain?


ill tell you one incident of Ch. Chhoturam:-

After the death of Sikander hyat khan (premier/CM of punjab in undivided india), chaudhry sahab was acting CM and Jinnah saw it an opportunity to disintegrate punjab on the basis of religion (as same was going in bengal), he came to punjab assembly when it was in session and asked all the muslims to come for the support of islam.
At this point governer asked the marshalls to send jinnah out but chaudhry sahab intervened saying let me check the friendship of my muslim friend governer sahib because i dont want artificial frienship?
You will be surprised , only 3 muslim MLa walked out out of 74 mla so now its your view or perception how you look at it, wether to abuse those 3 or praise the rest 71.

Bhaisahab sabke sabke ek jaise nahi hai..agar ye kattar musalman hain to hindu bhi bahur kattar hai..

Bhaisahab sach hum sabko pata hai, kyunki hum sab ke sab nage hai.

rinkusheoran
September 18th, 2008, 03:51 PM
HAHAHA!! :D:D:D Bhai Hooda thats like a Jat's reply! ;) jokes apart very well explained bhai ... :)

Bhai Jeet jat musalman bh bahut hain

rinkusheoran
September 18th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Takher bhai ...

hum agar castism karenge to sayad ye sab bandd bhi ho sakta hai but surely not if will fight over religion

Because as someone rightly said

"If a lie repeated enough no of times it start sounding like a truth"

abhi hindustan mein muslims mein ye feeling paida kar di hai ki vo muslim pahle hain aur fir indians, jo hume karna hai vo hai......inculcate a feeling among muslims that this country belongs to them also

cooljat
September 18th, 2008, 03:56 PM
I know, thats why I always advocate that Jat is a Race not a merely Caste or Creed!! ... as for Muslim Jats I believe they'll be more secular n less fanatic religious like hindu Jats... thats why I wrote that!! :)


Bhai Jeet jat musalman bh bahut hain

vipin
September 18th, 2008, 04:07 PM
ooye UP ke Badmass..........tajhe ke kuch keh rahe the musalman..........tu apna chupchap reh.............jaha tajhe rahjani karni hai tu vahi kar...........jaha jeb katni hai vahi kat..........kal to khub jeb tarasi hogi bhudhane main.........jab jaam lag raha tha..........jhokhi thadi bannali................

hello dosto....?

In Musalmanno ki Gulami ke liye tayer ho jaoo sub.....!

plz read this news link. http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/local/uttarpradesh/4_1_4828651.html

kitni himmat haan ki ek hindu gaon me jakar mandir ke pujari ki pitai karna or mandir ka laudspiker baand karwana....!

kyuki unke Roze khulne ka time ho raha tha....

or uppar se Road Jaam karke Therad dena ki hum alap sankhyakh haan.

lakin jab unki masjid me wo Gala phaad ki Chillate haan to koi kuch nahi Bolta, bt ager humare mandir me Arrti ki casset bajti haan to ajj unko problan hone lagi haan....?

kya hoga is Hindu Casst ka.....? Kitni Himmat wala kaam kiya haa in musalmano ne...!

plz sujection me yaaroo....? kuch to karna hoga..... kuyki abhi to time haan yaarooooo

rajeev tomar

rinkusheoran
September 18th, 2008, 04:11 PM
I know, thats why I always advocate that Jat is a Race not a merely Caste or Creed!! ... as for Muslim Jats I believe they'll be more secular n less fanatic religious like hindu Jats... thats why I wrote that!! :)


bhai jeet ye baat jitna tawle sab samajh jange utna hi acha hai sab khatir

Saare jat ek hain kyunki jat apni jamin se jura huwa hota hai agar kal phir se koi akarman karta hai aur vo safal ho jate hai, agar vo conversions karwange than also yu uwill see lots of conversions kyunki jat apni jamion ko nahi chhod sakta.

so lets not flow into to the thoughts of few fundamentalists,those who call themselves the call of god/hindus/alah

rajeevtomar
September 20th, 2008, 03:29 PM
hello dosto

how are you..?

Bahiyo mere tai Galti ho gai Dhike.....?

yah to mere apne hi Ladne ki liya tayer ho gye haaan..

bahi ruk joo... plz ( nahi to me iss ku delet kar dunga)

bhai mere kehne ka ye matlab nahi ki unko maroo ya pitai karo..?

mene ye pucha tha ke agge kya ho sakta haa.......

bt yah to sub ultta hi ho rha haan ( kuch Hindu ki side me to kuch Musallo ki side me ho gye mare apnne hi.......

PrashantHooda
September 20th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Hello Rajveer ji :)
Aapki koi galti nahi hai.
U did a great job by bringing this serious issue in front of all of us. Actaully kuchh logo ke Nehru-Gandhi wala "HIGH COMMAND", "SECULARISM" aur "RELIGIOUS HARMONY" ka chashma laga hua hai. Koi nahi jaldi hi utar jaayega.
Mere bhi chadaha hua tha ye chashma kai saal se, ab sochata hun ki is chashme ki koi jaroorat nahi hai. Hum sabne isko bekar me hi pahan rakha hai.
Jab tak koi patthar khud ke sar nahi phutega na tab tak koi nahi bolega.
The education has really ruined us. :(
We feel ashamed to acclaim that we are Hindu. I don't know why ?




hello dosto

how are you..?
Bahiyo mere tai Galti ho gai Dhike.....?
yah to mere apne hi Ladne ki liya tayer ho gye haaan..
bahi ruk joo... plz ( nahi to me iss ku delet kar dunga)
bhai mere kehne ka ye matlab nahi ki unko maroo ya pitai karo..?
mene ye pucha tha ke agge kya ho sakta haa.......
bt yah to sub ultta hi ho rha haan ( kuch Hindu ki side me to kuch Musallo ki side me ho gye mare apnne hi.......

rsdalal
September 20th, 2008, 06:30 PM
Prashant,
Chasma te subka uttar ja se thode dina pache, par jab ek ka chasma uttre se to dusre ke chaddan ne tyyar reh se. Er ek time be ek proper balance rahta hai chasme aloon ka, output yo se ke hamesha confusion rahata hai.


Hello Rajveer ji :)
Aapki koi galti nahi hai.
U did a great job by bringing this serious issue in front of all of us. Actaully kuchh logo ke Nehru-Gandhi wala "HIGH COMMAND", "SECULARISM" aur "RELIGIOUS HARMONY" ka chashma laga hua hai. Koi nahi jaldi hi utar jaayega.
Mere bhi chadaha hua tha ye chashma kai saal se, ab sochata hun ki is chashme ki koi jaroorat nahi hai. Hum sabne isko bekar me hi pahan rakha hai.
Jab tak koi patthar khud ke sar nahi phutega na tab tak koi nahi bolega.
The education has really ruined us. :(
We feel ashamed to acclaim that we are Hindu. I don't know why ?

narenderkharb
September 20th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Sahi kaha Bhai Jitu ,Jit and Rinku.

Rinku what you said was exactly used by great visionary Sir Chottu Ram .He used our racial common bond to avoid division of this great Jat nation from Indus to Ganges .When Jinnah tried to split MLAs on religious basis he started convening Jat sammelans in Pakistan in the constituencies of those members upon whom Jinnah was trying to cast a spell.Jinnah could not succeed in his game plan till Rahber-e-Azam lived but political aspirations of same Hindutava/league forces forced division of this great Jat nation later.

skadian123
September 20th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Bhai Rajeev,

Thanks for posting this thread.

Aapne jo yahan likha hae woh shat pratishat sahi hae. Yeh hinduon ke itihaas kee vidambana rahi hae ki ussne hamesha bahaar se doosre dharmon aur jaatiyon ke logon ko khushi khushi gale lagaya aur unhi doosro ne un hinduon ka gala kaata.

Had it not been for the advent of the British, I and you would have been known today by some Muslim names. Agar Aurangzeb aur uske vanshaj kuch sadiyaan aur raj karte toh hindu bachte hee nahi. Kahi Jaziya, kahi hindu aurton ko uthwana, etc, etc. Atrocities and atrocities everywhere. What is happening to hindu families in Pakistan and Kashmir is testimony to the mindset of muslims. In Pakistan, muslim youth forcefully abduct young hindu girls for marriage and other purposes and the police there is also fundamentally religious to ignore such incidents.

In my area alone, there once used to be one dilapidated old mosque in the form of a barack with one or two fans and an old maulvi with just a handful of muslims (mainly migrants from UP and Bihar). The nearby local villagers never allowed the mosque to use loudspeakers for Azaan. And today you look at the same building. It has transformed into a majestic multistoreyed building with ACs and other modern amenities. The handful of muslims have grown into several thousands and still growing with each passing day. I am sure one day very soon, we will get to hear their Aazaans on loudspeaker.

Haryana has rarely witnessed communal riots in the past. But mark my words that is going to change very soon. With ever increasing outsider population including Muslims spreading roots in Haryana, the day is not far when we will have another Gujarat here where hindu and muslims live in ghettos divided by a common road passing in between their ghettos. Some people, states and regions inherit such legacies and here we are inviting legacies of future conflicts, riots and turmoil.

It is a proven fact that the philosophy of muslims is to spread roots all across the world, numerically outnumber the local communities and then either forcibly convert the original inhabitants or ruthlessly decimate them. The best example of this is Kashmir which not so long ago used to be a primarily hindu inhabitied and dominated region.

We can understand the compulsions of the political parties in going ahead with their policies of muslim appeasement which is a text book example of vote bank politics. However, what would strike an impartial observer is the fact that most of the so-called liberated Hindus deep down in their hearts know what wrong is taking place and they also know what the consequences of these events will be, however though rather unfortunately, they choose to feign ignorance as if everything is hunky dory and will remain so in the future. But if things go this way, let me not remind but assure you, we will be running for cover against the atrocticities of muslims just like the Hindus of pre-British era did.

God, save those who don't want to save themselves.

VivekGathwala
September 20th, 2008, 10:15 PM
bhaiyooo ek mahan kavi ne ek baat likhi thi ki

JAB AYEGA BISAM BISA NA RAHEGA MUSLIM NA REHGA ISA


means when 2020 comes no muslim no christan will be indian

PrashantHooda
September 20th, 2008, 10:32 PM
Vivi Dear, be rational, use some prudence. :)
First thing is this, Kalidasa was not a hindi poet, his compositions are found in Sanskrit language only. :)
And the second thing is this, Islam originated about 500 years after his death. So how could he write anything about the Muslims. :) :)



bhaiyooo ek mahan kavi ne ek baat likhi thi ki

JAB AYEGA BISAM BISA NA RAHEGA MUSLIM NA REHGA ISA
by kalidas
means when 2020 comes no muslim no christan will be indian

VivekGathwala
September 20th, 2008, 10:51 PM
bhai tane te galti toh diii hatke yad karoon kee baat padh le n ....nukas kade s

PrashantHooda
September 21st, 2008, 12:47 PM
Dear Vivi
I'm unable to get what you want to say exactly.
Mujhe itani typical Haryanavi kabhi nahi suni :confused:
Pls make some efforts to explain it... I'm waiting :) :)
Regards


bhai tane te galti toh diii hatke yad karoon kee baat padh le n ....nukas kade s

ntpanchhey
September 21st, 2008, 01:47 PM
BHAI LOGON GANDHI JI KO FOLLOW KARTE RAHO..... COZ.. 1ST AFGHANISTAN THEN PAKISTAN AND ..... IF NOT.... THEN STAND UP LIKE "Nalwa"

VivekGathwala
September 21st, 2008, 06:50 PM
Dear Vivi
I'm unable to get what you want to say exactly.
Mujhe itani typical Haryanavi kabhi nahi suni :confused:
Pls make some efforts to explain it... I'm waiting :) :)
Regards


bhai us kavi ka nam edit kar liya s ......galti hogi thi ki main galat khabar lyaya aage t na karoon ..par manee tu jaroor bata diye ki kisne kahi thi ya baaat

PrashantHooda
September 21st, 2008, 07:06 PM
Hello Vivi
I'm sorry for it yaar,but pls don't take it otherwise. I simply put my views in respect of the poet. Bcz U mentioned his name and I was sure that he never wrote any such lines. :) :)


bhai us kavi ka nam edit kar liya s ......galti hogi thi ki main galat khabar lyaya aage t na karoon ..par manee tu jaroor bata diye ki kisne kahi thi ya baaat

brahmtewatia
September 22nd, 2008, 11:06 AM
yeh hinduon ke itihaas kee vidambana rahi hae ki ussne hamesha bahaar se doosre dharmon aur jaatiyon ke logon ko khushi khushi gale lagaya aur unhi doosro ne un hinduon ka gala kaata.

had it not been for the advent of the british, i and you would have been known today by some muslim names. Agar aurangzeb aur uske vanshaj kuch sadiyaan aur raj karte toh hindu bachte hee nahi. kahi jaziya, kahi hindu aurton ko uthwana, etc, etc. Atrocities and atrocities everywhere. What is happening to hindu families in pakistan and kashmir is testimony to the mindset of muslims. In pakistan, muslim youth forcefully abduct young hindu girls for marriage and other purposes and the police there is also fundamentally religious to ignore such incidents.

in my area alone, there once used to be one dilapidated old mosque in the form of a barack with one or two fans and an old maulvi with just a handful of muslims (mainly migrants from up and bihar). the nearby local villagers never allowed the mosque to use loudspeakers for azaan. And today you look at the same building. It has transformed into a majestic multistoreyed building with acs and other modern amenities. The handful of muslims have grown into several thousands and still growing with each passing day. i am sure one day very soon, we will get to hear their aazaans on loudspeaker.

haryana has rarely witnessed communal riots in the past. but mark my words that is going to change very soon. With ever increasing outsider population including muslims spreading roots in haryana, the day is not far when we will have another gujarat here where hindu and muslims live in ghettos divided by a common road passing in between their ghettos. Some people, states and regions inherit such legacies and here we are inviting legacies of future conflicts, riots and turmoil.

it is a proven fact that the philosophy of muslims is to spread roots all across the world, numerically outnumber the local communities and then either forcibly convert the original inhabitants or ruthlessly decimate them. The best example of this is kashmir which not so long ago used to be a primarily hindu inhabitied and dominated region.

we can understand the compulsions of the political parties in going ahead with their policies of muslim appeasement which is a text book example of vote bank politics. However, what would strike an impartial observer is the fact that most of the so-called liberated hindus deep down in their hearts know what wrong is taking place and they also know what the consequences of these events will be, however though rather unfortunately, they choose to feign ignorance as if everything is hunky dory and will remain so in the future. But if things go this way, let me not remind but assure you, we will be running for cover against the atrocticities of muslims just like the hindus of pre-british era did.

god, save those who don't want to save themselves.

nice write-up... sunil.......... :(

bhavnasingh20
September 22nd, 2008, 11:47 AM
mein agar un musalmano ki jagah hoti to mein bhi yahi karti....
arrey pagal kar rakha hai inloggon ne puja aur dharam ke naam pe...
aur tumhe pooja karni hai to karo...auron ko kyun torture kar rahe ho...
meri dadi ke ghar ke pass ek mandir hai.....wahan pe subah 4 baje bhajan ke naam pe apna gala faadne lag jaate hein yeh log...aur raat ko 11 baje bhi shanti nahin...
koi bimar ho...padh raha ho...sab jaaye bhad mein....inhe to pooja karne do loudspeaker pe......
is this justified?
agar yeh aaram se apne ghar pe baith ke shanti se bhagwaan ka naam lenge to kya bhagwaan nahin sunega?
aur aisa nahin hai ki muslims ko kisi ne nahin bola unke loudspeakers ke liye...
n let us appreciate the fact ki woh sirf namaz ke time hi loudspeaker chalate hein...huamri tarah har samay shuru nahin rehte....
mere frend ke ghar ke pass ek madir tha...exam time mein bhi auntiyan lagi rehti thi movie item numbers ke bhajan bana ke gaane mein....hum loggon ko kitna disturbance hota tha hum jaante hein.....
n jo burai hai woh to burai hai...fir woh musalmaan hoon ya hindu...

skadian123
September 22nd, 2008, 10:07 PM
Why hasn't Haryana witnessed communal riots or bomb blasts similar to the ones in Delhi, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Jaipur, etc. Has anyone gone into the reason or pondered over the reason for this?

It would not be very difficult to see the reason behind, at least as long as one is willing to see it NOT through the prism/glasses of pseudo-secularim (muslim appeasement). The reason very clearly is the comparativly low percentage of muslim population in Haryana, again at least till now. Wherever the bomb blasts have occured in India, you have large muslim populations in those towns/cities which more than willingly provide logistic and other support. These sleeper cells have penetrated every nook and corner of the country - Gujarat to Assam & West Bengal and Kashmir to Kerala.

But the scene in Haryana which till now was free of these symptoms is going to change pretty much soon with the large scale influx of outsiders including Muslims.

Educational and social backwardness is just an excuse used by them to justify their cowardly acts and the so called intelligentsia including the media is more than willing to endorse this viewpoint. If they are backward which they actually are not (in today's time), it's because of their own choice - preferring to send their children to Madrassas, preferring fundamentalist religious education over modern education system. But even if we look around, this notion of them being backward will not hold ground as you will see so many of them holding top notch positions in the corporate world and civil administration (2 ex- presidents and the current vice president included). Even after getting modern education, their mindset remains the same as has been proven by the involvement of so many educated muslim youth including software engineers' involvement in terrorist acts.

If they justify violence on the grounds that their community is being discriminated against, then every single citizen of this country should take to terrorist activities because I am sure he would have also felt discriminated at some point of time or other in his life by some or the other act of government.

The muslims of Kashmir are being provided free lunches so to speak (through grants of crores and crores of rupees every year) and yet they call us bloody Indians, Crores of rupees are spent on Indian muslims including Kashmiris over Haj subsidies and yet they support terrorism by setting up sleeper cells, Crores of rupees are spent on the upkeep and maintenance of Wakf properties, yet these very properties are used as hotbeds for spreading fanaticism. We have so many Muslim Universities, like the Jamia, Hamdard, AMU etc, which receive Govt. (UGC) grants and yet they produce quite a handful of fanatics who go on to the glorified path of Jihad. And then we have the shameless people like Shabana Azmi and Javed Akhtar - the so called intelligentsia glorified by the media to the status of demi-Gods publicly blaming the very Hindus who have given the muslims of this country more freedom than even any Islamic country affords to its muslims.

Please visit Old Delhi (also North West Delhi) or any other city for that matter and you will find that the entire roads are blocked for traffic during namaaz. Which civilised society allows this? And yet the government, the administration dare not say anything. The police dare not enter the muslim dominated areas to catch criminals (except for the recent incident at Delhi where the government had to take that bitter step in the face of the huge nationwide public outcry).

What secularim do we talk of. It only is good to read and write about it in the books. Violence in any form cannot be justified by any damn excuse in the world. The pujari of a mandir being beaten up by muslims is not just an act of religious intolerance but the harbinger of the things to come. If we still don't see the true picture we never will...

jitendershooda
September 23rd, 2008, 08:57 PM
Nice write ups Sandeep .... though I am not convinced/clear about few ....

Could you please put your thoughts what do you think should be done by non-muslims in this case (overall picture in country)?

Second, for this particular incident please dont include muslims/hindus ...
Is it right to use loudspeaker at odd timings?
Does using loudspeaker increase faith in gods or does it help some way or the other to increase humanity?

Haan mein aapki is baat se sehamat hun ki ye log jyadatar galat thoughts ke shikar hein .... to aap kya samajhte ho ki kya kiya jae?

skadian123
September 23rd, 2008, 10:37 PM
Jitender,

Though your question is addressed to Sandeep, I would like to put in a few points here.

As to your question of what the non-muslims should do, I am not sure about others, but at least the Hindus need to be proud of their faith and accord due respect to their faith and the followers of their faith. It is a common practice these days - in case you (Hindu) want to project yourself as liberated/member of the so-called intelligentsia brigade, you need to criticise and belittle your own faith. The media of this country is playing a key role in this glorified endeavour of Hindu bashing (there are numerous instances to prove it, but I am sure this is not the thread to enumerate them). If you don't respect your own faith, community, heritage, traditions, please don't expect people of other faiths, communities, heritages, traditions to do it for you.

Today, Pujaris have been beaten up for playing meditational music over loudspeakers, tomorrow Hindus taking out marriage or religious processions would be beaten up because the NOISE created might not sound soothing to muslim ears. And who knows, tomorrow they may even object to and BAN completely the bursting of crackers on Diwali or using colours during Holi as it might be un-islamic.

There are other imperative measures also which the Hindus/non-muslims need to take in order to counter the challenges posed by the acts of Islamic fanatics, but I guess they would appear too radical to some of the people who are comfortably ignoring at least till now the writing on the wall. These imperative measures will need to be taken at some later point in time, though the only hope is that it is should not be too late for those measures by then.

The only question is how many more bomb blasts need to happen and how Many Inspector Sharma's need to give up their lives for this country before the common man in general and Hindus in particular wake up to the reality - the reality which we all know but shy away from accepting and expressing.

sandeepkadian05
September 24th, 2008, 08:38 AM
Well Sunil Bhai I respect your opinion but to put all the muslims in bad category doesn't seem fair now.. I live in a country which has Islam as its official religion( Though people from Kerala easily outnumber arabs here in UAE) I haven't yet faced a single problem due to my faith, religion or anything else. Eating, smoking and drinking in open is banned during their holy month of ramadaan ( Thats understandable) but apart from that you have complete freedom to do what you want to do. The muslims are very polite and helpful. The problem in India is we always looked at them with suspicious eyes after partition. We ( I mean the hindus) kept wondering why are these muslims in India when a separate nation has been created for them. Nobody likes to be treated as a suspect all his life so a large number of muslims turned their back on India and joined all the terrorist organisations. As for terrorism, IRA killed more people in Britain then the number of people that died in 9/11, so does that mean all the catholics are terrorists??? Remember the terrorism in Punjab in 80's and 90's, were all the sikhs terminated to solve the issue????? China has as much part of India in its possession as pakistan occupied kashmir... do we hate all the chinese people. No you will not think that way about the christians or sikhs or chinese. We are prejudiced towards the Muslims, lets face it. If we dont give them a chance how will they join our mainstream society. You keep looking down on them they will revolt. As for terrorism worldwide, Its interesting that USA created Osama Bin Laden and when he became too big for them to handle, they make him Enemy No. 1. We burn christians in India, we burn trains full of muslims in India and when some of them get offended and hit back we call them bloody terrorists. Way to go proud Hindus... There are a lot of Taxi drivers here in Dubai from Kashmir ( all muslims), when i ask them what they think about the kashmir crisis and what do they want, All of them reply- we want to be left alone, we are sick & tired of violence. I am really disappointed with the attitude of people here... In the end i will just like to ask one question from all the angry people in this forum, How many muslims do you know personally??? How many muslim friends you have??? Dont invlove a whole community in mud slinging because of the act of some people.

jitendershooda
September 24th, 2008, 03:14 PM
Jitender,

Though your question is addressed to Sandeep, I would like to put in a few points here.

As to your question of what the non-muslims should do, I am not sure about others, but at least the Hindus need to be proud of their faith and accord due respect to their faith and the followers of their faith. .

Sorry Kadian bhai yo Sandeep galati te likhya gaya ... this was for you only ... thanks for reply ...

Bhai mere manne ke lage hai ...

1) I am in sink with you that we should have faith in our religion. But please figure out how a person can understand the things that decide his faith. Means what should he do to increase his faith in his religion?

Is using loudspeakers 24 hours satisfy this condition to have faith?

Instead I feel that

1) The increasing Pandas at religious sites .... decrease my visit to them ... latte taran ne ho jyan sein salle. (To some the pandas are the symbol of hinduism but not for me)
2) Using such kind of loudspeakers and whole night BARKING in case of JAGRATA/MATA KI CHOWKI by these refugees is somewhere irritating to me and pushed me to remark like anastik. Hence to me they decreases my faith somewhere.
3) Visit to any hindu temple and see the facilities ... example ... Balaji Menhdipur rajasthan .... I still dont know if some super power is there or not ... still I feel good to be there .... but looking at the facilities there I feel bad ... the pandas or the society there is getting lakhs of notes .... aur mein aaj kaheta hun ki wahan koe intejam nahi hai ... aap jake dekh sakte ho ... gand macha hai ... loot macha rakhi hai in dharam ke thekkedaron ne .... Go to any gurdvara ... they manage such a nice way that you feel to go there again and again .... such things ditract faith.
4) Bahut sari andh vishvasi batein ghus gae hein iss dharam mein .... jinko ki humein dekhna chahiye aur sirf sudh cheej ko hi apnana chahiye .... dharamandhta theek nahi hai kisi terah bhi.

Jahaan tak aapne kaha ki kal ko ye us baat pe ungli uthaenge ... iss pe uthaenge ... wo humein dekhna hai ki agar wo humari sahi hai to hum na jhukein .... lekin iska ye matlab nahi ki hum apni galat ko sir pe leke chalein ... apni jo galat hein wo sirf musalmano ko nahi khud hunduon ki bhi hani pahucha rahi hein.

Ab ye jo cristians ko maar rahe hein ... is it right in your view? I am still not very much clear in my thoughts .... but I feel that why dont they provide the hindus who are dying for hunger some food rather than jhoota prachar ...trishool banto ... etc ..... these missionaries are helping those people to have food and in turn they are getting them turned Cristians. Though on their part also it is wrong .... but in our part is it the solution to kill these missionaries only?

skadian123
September 24th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Sandeep bhai,

I could not have wished more for things to be as simple as portrayed by you. Muslims are innocent and the non-muslims (including Hindus and chritstians) the world over are after them. The non-muslims the world over are planting bombs in regions as far separated as the US, the middle east (Israel), Africa (Egypt, Somalia, etc)), South East Asia (India, Afghanistan etc), Far east (Indonesia (Bali)) and not the muslims. With customs as old and rudimentary as ‘Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth’ still being followed all across the muslim world with fervour, what more can one expect. Places like Dubai (UAE) are islands of reason and sanity in a sea of muslim nations which are characterised by violence and bloodshed. Kindly go through the recently conducted surveys across the western world where a sizeable proportion of the muslim community surveyed justified acts of violence in the name of their religion which was considered more supreme, important and quintessential than life of an innocent. As far as muslim friends are concerned, I have had quite a few but I am still to come across one who truly and sincerely detests acts of violence in the name of religion.

To set the record straight, no train full of muslim passengers was ever burnt, it was the other way round. Train full of Hindu pilgrims including innocent women and children was burnt to ashes at Godhara without the slightest of compassion or mercy. You don’t have to first become a victim of that mindless violence to see the real picture – hate campaign spread by the muslims in this country. If the majority of the muslim community had been peace loving you would not have had terrorists attacks in Kashmir, Delhi, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Delhi, U.P., Karnataka, Assam, West Bengal (I may still be missing quite a few states). Kisi ne sahi kaha hae, jab jaago tab savera – it seems Hindu community’s savera is still far away, only hope that the community survives till then.

Nobody including me is in favour of exterminating the muslim community, but we need to have innocents all across the world facing the music of Islamic fanaticism draw up a line and say enough is enough, not beyond this point. However, if one still wishes to keep his or her eyes closed despite the muslim terrorist attacks shouting aloud over the rooftop, then no point or counterpoint can be productive enough to spend time on.


Jitender bhai,

As far as your point over the pandits is concerned – no doubt, malpractices have existed in the past and still continue. However, we should at the same time, despite the fact that superstition was spread by a small percentage of the pandits, give them credit for having kept the flag of Hinduism and its associated traditions flying high. It does not seem plausible to me that one can hate one’s religion just because the keepers of his places of worship are corrupt. Faith is much deeper than that if one actually is faithful enough. Faith in one’s faith is unshakeable, though not to the extent of killing innocents as in the case of muslims. Hindus like Christians have transformed themselves over the centuries but the same is yet to be seen in Muslims, though it does not even seem to be a distant reality.

As far as killing of Christians is concerned, the same is detestable to the extent possible. Losing of any innocent life be it of a person of any faith is deplorable. However, these are random and rare incidents which were fuelled by the killing of the 86 year old VHP monk Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati in Orissa. These acts against Christians have till now not been adequately proven to have been perpetrated by any Hindu organisation. You are right - the contributions of Christian missionaries in spreading education and awareness cannot be underplayed. However, why does anybody need to convert to Christianity to get those benefits if community service is the actual and only motive of the missionaries? Why does one need to convert to Christianity and proclaim that Christian God is better than Hindu God as has happened in Orissa and Karnataka? And who knows, these acts could even have been perpetrated by some anti-national elements including muslims to bring bad name to Hindus and divert the national attention off of their cowardly acts after Delhi blasts.

Hindus have been turned into second class citizens in their own country with so much of focus and privileges being extended to the minorities (mainly to the muslims). You can destroy a 1000 temples (also the samudra setam) without giving a damn about it, but the government and the pseudo-secularists get frozen in their tracks even on the thought of breaking a mosque for development of that particular land. We have had 2 muslim presidents in the past and one muslim who is the Vice president of India at present and yet they are crying foul and charging the country of discrimination. No better example of ungali pakad ke pauncha pakadna than this. But we will still keep our eyes and ears closed because we are secular and all that that is mentioned in our constitution. How many times does this country need to be divided on religious lines. Earlier Pakistan and now Kashmir. But mind you, it would not be separation this time– it would be nothing short of large scale ethnic cleansing of Hindus after that and unfortunately unlike muslims, the common Hindu does not have too many options (places) to pursue as there are no Hindu countries. Hindus were spread out at one point in time from the middle east to the far east including Indonesia and Malaysia and today because of its philosophy of Sarv Dharm Sambhaav, they are confined just to India and Nepal.

Please hit us on the left cheek and we will forward the right one for you to oblige…

sandeepkadian05
September 24th, 2008, 06:36 PM
No one can be termed as guilty or innocent based on the religion of that person, thats what i have been telling you. Its just not right to brand all muslims as terrorists. Sorry got the train mixed up but the point was Hindus, muslims, christians, sikhs- we all have blood on our hands. Every community has shed blood of others when given the chance. Religious fanatics exist in all of them. Rest you all are smart enough to make judgement for yourself.



Sandeep bhai,

I could not have wished more for things to be as simple as portrayed by you. Muslims are innocent and the non-muslims (including Hindus and chritstians) the world over are after them. The non-muslims the world over are planting bombs in regions as far separated as the US, the middle east (Israel), Africa (Egypt, Somalia, etc)), South East Asia (India, Afghanistan etc), Far east (Indonesia (Bali)) and not the muslims. With customs as old and rudimentary as ‘Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth’ still being followed all across the muslim world with fervour, what more can one expect. Places like Dubai (UAE) are islands of reason and sanity in a sea of muslim nations which are characterised by violence and bloodshed. Kindly go through the recently conducted surveys across the western world where a sizeable proportion of the community surveyed justified acts of violence in the name of their religion which was considered more supreme, important and quintessential than life of an innocent. As far as muslim friends are concerned, I have had quite a few but I am still to come across one who truly and sincerely detests acts of violence in the name of religion.

To set the record straight, no train full of muslim passengers was ever burnt, it was the other way round. Train full of Hindu pilgrims including innocent women and children was burnt to ashes at Godhara without the slightest of compassion or mercy. You don’t have to first become a victim of that mindless violence to see the real picture – hate campaign spread by the muslims in this country. If the majority of the muslim community had been peace loving you would not have had terrorists attacks in Kashmir, Delhi, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Delhi, U.P., Karnataka, Assam, West Bengal (I may still be missing quite a few states). Kisi ne sahi kaha hae, jab jaago tab savera – it seems Hindu community’s savera is still far away, only hope that the community survives till then.

Nobody including me is in favour of exterminating the muslim community, but we need to have innocents all across the world facing the music of Islamic fanaticism draw up a line and say enough is enough, not beyond this point. However, if one still wishes to keep his or her eyes closed despite the muslim terrorist attacks shouting aloud over the rooftop, then no point or counterpoint can be productive enough to spend time on.


Jitender bhai,

As far as your point over the pandits is concerned – no doubt, malpractices have existed in the past and still continue. However, we should at the same time, despite the fact that superstition was spread by a small percentage of the pandits, give them credit for having kept the flag of Hinduism and its associated traditions flying high. It does not seem plausible to me that one can hate one’s religion just because the keepers of his places of worship are corrupt. Faith is much deeper than that if one actually is faithful enough. Faith in one’s faith is unshakeable, though not to the extent of killing innocents as in the case of muslims. Hindus like Christians have transformed themselves over the centuries but the same is yet to be seen in Muslims, though it does not even seem to be a distant reality.

As far as killing of Christians is concerned, the same is detestable to the extent possible. Losing of any innocent life be it of a person of any faith is deplorable. However, these are random and rare incidents which were fuelled by the killing of the 86 year old VHP monk Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati in Orissa. These acts against Christians have till now not been adequately proven to have been perpetrated by any Hindu organisation. You are right - the contributions of Christian missionaries in spreading education and cannot be underplayed. However, why does anybody need to convert to Christianity to get those benefits if community service is the actual and only motive of the missionaries? Why does one need to convert to Christianity and proclaim that Christian God is better than Hindu God as has happened in Orissa and Karnataka? And who knows, these acts could even have been perpetrated by some anti-national elements including muslims to bring bad name to Hindus and divert the national attention off of their cowardly acts after Delhi blasts.

Hindus have been turned into second class citizens in their own country with so much of focus and privileges being extended to the minorities (mainly to the muslims). You can destroy a 1000 temples (also the samudra setam) without giving a damn about it, but the government and the pseudo-secularists get frozen in their tracks even on the thought of breaking a mosque for development of that particular land. We have had 2 muslim presidents in the past and one muslim who is the Vice president of India at present and yet they are crying foul and charging the country of discrimination. No better example of ungali pakad ke pauncha pakadna than this. But we will still keep our eyes and ears closed because we are secular and all that that is mentioned in our constitution. How many times does this country need to be divided on religious lines. Earlier Pakistan and now Kashmir. But mind you, it would not be separation this time– it would be nothing short of large scale ethnic cleansing of Hindus after that and unfortunately unlike muslims, the common Hindu does not have too many options (places) to pursue as there are no Hindu countries. Hindus were spread out at one point in time from the middle east to the far east including Indonesia and Malaysia and today because of its philosophy of Sarv Dharm Sambhaav, they are confined just to India and Nepal.

Please hit us on the left cheek and we will forward the right one for you to oblige…

jitendershooda
September 24th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Please hit us on the left cheek and we will forward the right one for you to oblige…

:) Nice write up again Sunil.

1) Yes, it is right that these muslims are the root cause of most of the issues at international level. Like ... bosnia/harzegovina, checheniya, bharat, indonesia, malasia, India etc etc.

2) Even the learned among them are not ready to re-iterate the preachings that a illitrate maulvi give them. I have few muslims as friends. Though they are nice by behaviour but still there is some blockage somewhere. Ek din baat hon thi ki bharat ki main problem ke hai .... to niskarsh nikla ke ....population ... pher manne kahi ek bhai tum aaj ke time pe bhi 4-4 byah ... er itne balak ... to dikkat to yahe hai .... ye 4-4 byah us time pe theek hongi jib rohj ladai hoya karti er aadmi thode they ....pher wo nue bolya ek bhai ke pharak pad jyaga je dharam ke liye mutthi bhar muslim ye follow kar lenge to ... ha ha ha ... to bhai they are brainwashed. Ek aur nue bolya ek hum je nue karange to humne upar jake ghani ee hoor milengi ... ha ha

3) Mhare gaam mein Shekh/telli sein ... azadi ke time pe ye hindu ho gae they ... saryan ke naam hindu ... pher neechey neechey inka mind wash kiya gaya aur inhone muslim dharam apna liya. ek choti si Masjid bana li. Ek dada sein uneh 3-4 saal pahelyan kae bahar ke admi dekhey hude ... to soochana di rohtak thane mein ... chappa marya to 2 ugarvadi pae ... ek mhare shekh lag rahya tha chinai pe ... nue bolya eeb mhare 101 gaam ho rahe sein iss ilake mein ... jummass na khan.

To solution kya hai iss sab ka ...

1) Yes, you are right that increase in faith should be there and increase in strength should also be. We should unite. but sorry to say not by loudspeakers or any other wrong acts. Apne mandiron ki rajneeti ya paise kamane ka aadda mat banane do ... aur logon ko facility do. Cristians paise de rahe hein ... to tum roti bhi nahi de sakte kya? aur phir arop bhi unpe ki wo galat hein .... haan wo galat hein ... par kya humare ye hindu sangathan jaise VHP/Bajrang Dal kuch kar rahe hein aise logon ke liye?

2) Jaise peechey HAJ yatra ki subsidy ko leke court mein gae hein ... this is right step. There should be no special priviledges to these muslims. This itself is the root cause. Madarsson ko band karo ya phir there should be govt handling of these. There should be no difference in treatment on the basis religion. Haan faith to bacha ke jo kuch kar sakte hein strictly karna chahiye. Agar nahi hai to public petitions dali jani chahiye.

3) This is truth that spreading hatred will not do. You cannot remove the muslims from this land. Instead you have to co-exist. So the Govt or media should not treat them specially only going by their greeds.

UK Govt is giving proper attention to the learned muslims. They are promoting them and provide their thoughts time to time on national BBC broadcast and documentaries. During them they talk very logical so as to attempt attention of the learned and thoughful muslims.

The same kind of telecasts should be there to decrease kattarpant among them. Spread Education more and more ....

bera na bhai ... ke sahi hai er ke galat ... par itna jaroor se ... ki haan ye ghankhare galat directed hein ...... haan galat ko karara jawab jaroor dena chahiye .... aur sarkar ko aachey padhey likhey muslims aage lyane chahiye jo ki kuran ki sahi teachings dien ineh .... aadhey te ye mind wash aale handey sein.

These are sensitive issues and should be handled wisely and this is clear that One should not communalise every thing. Like this Pujari thing. eeb nue maan ke dekho ki mein gaya hota er meri gail rolla ho jyata pujari ka PHER? Ya baat sirf nue tool pakad gi ek wo musalman tha?

I still say that loudspeakers and such nonsense acts not only are problems for hindus but also for everyone. We cant provide them right certificate for each and everything in the name of religion.

Haan Prashasan and Govt should not be soft like they are in the case of Afzal .... ye incident ineh dus-sahsi banave hein. Jo criminal hai usko tang dyo ... us case mein nue mat dekho ek yo muslim hai ya hindu.

skadian123
September 24th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Sandeep and Jitender,

My reply remains the same: Please hit us on the left cheek and we will forward the right one for you to oblige…

sandeepkadian05
September 25th, 2008, 11:18 AM
Sunil bhai just dont keep any prejudices in your mind while judging a whole religion. Terrorism has to be dealt with in the strongest possible means. But in our minds we should be dealing with terrorism, not with muslims.

brahmtewatia
September 25th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Sunil bhai just dont keep any prejudices in your mind while judging a whole religion. Terrorism has to be dealt with in the strongest possible means. But in our minds we should be dealing with terrorism, not with muslims.

PTI reports
The Jamia Millia Islamia University would provide legal aid to two suspended students who have been arrested by Delhi Police for being allegedly involved in the serial blasts in the capital. “Legal aid would be provided till they are not found guilty,” varsity spokesperson Rakshanda Jaleel on Tuesday said.

DEAL NOW... PLEASE DO IT IN STRONGEST POSSIBLE MEANS.

can anyone cum out and raise your concern on abv news listing... this is wat i call as "breeding terrorism"

vijay
September 25th, 2008, 12:46 PM
PTI reports
The Jamia Millia Islamia University would provide legal aid to two suspended students who have been arrested by Delhi Police for being allegedly involved in the serial blasts in the capital. “Legal aid would be provided till they are not found guilty,” varsity spokesperson Rakshanda Jaleel on Tuesday said.




I am not amazed at all to read this news as its happening in India since long.

Terrorism Breeding Institutions are the most happening industry directly funded by our own Great Secularism. Being Muslim only seems the primary eligibility to get admisssion in these institutions.

Most of the countries are trying to save their Nation from this industry while we are busy in providing STZ ( Special Terrorism Zone ) to those budding professionals at the stake of our country.

Please let them flourish as we are the only one true messengers of Secularism all across the world. :rolleyes:

bhavnasingh20
September 25th, 2008, 02:20 PM
Jitender,

Though your question is addressed to Sandeep, I would like to put in a few points here.

As to your question of what the non-muslims should do, I am not sure about others, but at least the Hindus need to be proud of their faith and accord due respect to their faith and the followers of their faith. It is a common practice these days - in case you (Hindu) want to project yourself as liberated/member of the so-called intelligentsia brigade, you need to criticise and belittle your own faith. The media of this country is playing a key role in this glorified endeavour of Hindu bashing (there are numerous instances to prove it, but I am sure this is not the thread to enumerate them). If you don't respect your own faith, community, heritage, traditions, please don't expect people of other faiths, communities, heritages, traditions to do it for you.

Today, Pujaris have been beaten up for playing meditational music over loudspeakers, tomorrow Hindus taking out marriage or religious processions would be beaten up because the NOISE created might not sound soothing to muslim ears. And who knows, tomorrow they may even object to and BAN completely the bursting of crackers on Diwali or using colours during Holi as it might be un-islamic.

There are other imperative measures also which the Hindus/non-muslims need to take in order to counter the challenges posed by the acts of Islamic fanatics, but I guess they would appear too radical to some of the people who are comfortably ignoring at least till now the writing on the wall. These imperative measures will need to be taken at some later point in time, though the only hope is that it is should not be too late for those measures by then.

The only question is how many more bomb blasts need to happen and how Many Inspector Sharma's need to give up their lives for this country before the common man in general and Hindus in particular wake up to the reality - the reality which we all know but shy away from accepting and expressing.


i so agree wit u....
n whether v admit it or not...but v r biased against muslims....n v think twice before makin frends wit ne muslims.....
n nobody goes out n beats someone up at the 1st instance....considering how pandits r...m sure he must hav thrown his attitude arnd n told the muslims to get lost when they wud hav gone to protest against it...

everywhr v jats r famous for fighting...so r v always right when v beat someone up??
or if a group of hindus wud hav beaten this pandit then wud v b havin this discussion here??
so in short...a hindu can beat a hindu...can kill him too...but a muslim shudnt even touch a hindu irrespective of whether hes right or wrong?

prashantacmet
September 25th, 2008, 02:28 PM
JL is full of pseudo-secularists !!!.:tamatar.......May God save JL as well as India from these pseudo-secularists...........

vijay
September 25th, 2008, 02:58 PM
i so agree wit u....
n whether v admit it or not...but v r biased against muslims....n v think twice before makin frends wit ne muslims.....
n nobody goes out n beats someone up at the 1st instance....considering how pandits r...m sure he must hav thrown his attitude arnd n told the muslims to get lost when they wud hav gone to protest against it...

everywhr v jats r famous for fighting...so r v always right when v beat someone up??
or if a group of hindus wud hav beaten this pandit then wud v b havin this discussion here??
so in short...a hindu can beat a hindu...can kill him too...but a muslim shudnt even touch a hindu irrespective of whether hes right or wrong?


I wonder if you have read the whole post ( whose post you quoted especially ) before agreeing on what he said :)

He is saying something else which is contrary to the views you posted.

skadian123
September 25th, 2008, 10:49 PM
I don't blame people when they just want to see the good things around. It's all a matter of perception which is formed by certain incidents. We see all good things happening around and we think everything is hunky dory. We see bad things happening around and we think things are not in good shape and something needs to be done about them.

But what happens, when good things just don't happen around any longer and we still complacenty sit thinking that no matter what, the bad things/incidents won't touch us at all and we don't need to do anything about anything.

We have made an issue about the use of loudspeaker, but unfortunately we have'nt gone into the deeper implications that this incident has on our present and future as a community which Rajeev Tomar could see and that became the reason for him to weave this thread.

We, the world community in general and the Hindus in particular, are wandering with limited precious water with us in a desert of religious crime, insecurity, religious bigotry spread and sustained by one particular community. Not to blame anyone in particular, we have amongst us fellow community members who see at a distance a mirage (mrig trishna) with lot of greenery and water. In jubiliation and celebration, these fellow members start celebrating by throwing around the precious water with them. When the reach the point where they saw the mirage, they realise that the green patch of heaven has shifted some distance ahead. They rejoice everytime they see the mirage till the time the entire water with them is squandered. Everyone's lips and throats are parched and dry in the need of just a single drop of water. Yet, they keep seeing that mirage ahead which keeps shifting ahead every time. Gradually their fellow members start falling prey to the blistering heat and the vultures overhead. And just when the desert's endpoint bordering with the savana is reached, their leader turns around to look at his fellow members behind only to see no one behind as all had fallen prey not to the heat but to the mirage.

Moral of the story, don't waste the precious water of foresight, wisdom and practicality when you see the mirage of communal brotherhood and tolerance, equality and above all peace. Because if you waste this precious water the heat of terrorist attacks, Islamic fanaticism, Islamic intolerance etc. would not leave any opportunity for you to even survive.

We have people here who are criticizing the use of loudspeakers, but I would have appreciated them if they would have criticized the non-implementation of Uniform Civil Code, Reservation on religious lines (5% reservation to muslims in Andhra Pradesh), illegal and unofficial pardon to Afzal Guru, etc. But I guess, they prefer to see the mirage....

narendersingh
September 26th, 2008, 11:24 AM
Jat is above all cast and creed.Jat is a jat .He may be anywhere in the world.






I know, thats why I always advocate that Jat is a Race not a merely Caste or Creed!! ... as for Muslim Jats I believe they'll be more secular n less fanatic religious like hindu Jats... thats why I wrote that!! :)

narendersingh
September 26th, 2008, 11:36 AM
I agree on the views and points engrossed by you. We should not blame anyone.we should shed this habit.God has given a calculated life Do some good.
"Kar jao aisaa koi kaam jamanaa yaad kare.
Jamanaa yaad karey naa karey tu karam sey kyo darey
aisey kyu ghoot ghoot kar marey
kaath bhee dariyaa par tarey
Aapas mein kyo katey marey
Kaum key liye uttaro eik dum kharey

Yaad kare sarey jarey jarey."











I don't blame people when they just want to see the good things around. It's all a matter of perception which is formed by certain incidents. We see all good things happening around and we think everything is hunky dory. We see bad things happening around and we think things are not in good shape and something needs to be done about them.

But what happens, when good things just don't happen around any longer and we still complacenty sit thinking that no matter what, the bad things/incidents won't touch us at all and we don't need to do anything about anything.

We have made an issue about the use of loudspeaker, but unfortunately we have'nt gone into the deeper implications that this incident has on our present and future as a community which Rajeev Tomar could see and that became the reason for him to weave this thread.

We, the world community in general and the Hindus in particular, are wandering with limited precious water with us in a desert of religious crime, insecurity, religious bigotry spread and sustained by one particular community. Not to blame anyone in particular, we have amongst us fellow community members who see at a distance a mirage (mrig trishna) with lot of greenery and water. In jubiliation and celebration, these fellow members start celebrating by throwing around the precious water with them. When the reach the point where they saw the mirage, they realise that the green patch of heaven has shifted some distance ahead. They rejoice everytime they see the mirage till the time the entire water with them is squandered. Everyone's lips and throats are parched and dry in the need of just a single drop of water. Yet, they keep seeing that mirage ahead which keeps shifting ahead every time. Gradually their fellow members start falling prey to the blistering heat and the vultures overhead. And just when the desert's endpoint bordering with the savana is reached, their leader turns around to look at his fellow members behind only to see no one behind as all had fallen prey not to the heat but to the mirage.

Moral of the story, don't waste the precious water of foresight, wisdom and practicality when you see the mirage of communal brotherhood and tolerance, equality and above all peace. Because if you waste this precious water the heat of terrorist attacks, Islamic fanaticism, Islamic intolerance etc. would not leave any opportunity for you to even survive.

We have people here who are criticizing the use of loudspeakers, but I would have appreciated them if they would have criticized the non-implementation of Uniform Civil Code, Reservation on religious lines (5% reservation to muslims in Andhra Pradesh), illegal and unofficial pardon to Afzal Guru, etc. But I guess, they prefer to see the mirage....

bhavnasingh20
September 26th, 2008, 11:44 AM
I wonder if you have read the whole post ( whose post you quoted especially ) before agreeing on what he said :)

He is saying something else which is contrary to the views you posted.


yes i had read the whole post.....
n agreed wit the few points he made....especially the one tht says tht v r biased.....
n rest all the views r mine......:)

rajpaldular
November 12th, 2008, 02:26 PM
India need a Leader like Narendra Modi‏



Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.


Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'


'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'


'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'


'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'


'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'


'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'


'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'


Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, Indian citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

dahiyasaab
November 17th, 2008, 03:18 AM
Mein yahan per specific nahi hona chahta, but itna kehna chahta hun k hum bahut jaldi insecure feel karne lagte hain, agar koi reservation maangta hain toh maangey why we worry about that ? Humein apne aapko aur apni community ko itna strong banana chahiye ki hum reservation dene wale baney, na ki lene wale !!! I hope some of you will understand... kuch nahi rakha hindutava & all other religious things ko lekar ladney mein !

Yaad rakho unke pass kuch nahi hain aur hamarein pass abhi bhi bahut kuch hain & we can make ourselves more stronger to the changes, privartan sansar ka niyam hain, all things will change sooner or later we need to make ourselves strong enough to undergo that change, Raj Thackrey banney se kuch nahi hoga galiyan hi milegi, dussron se bhi aur apno se bhi...

Aaj jarurat hain humey aane wale kal ko dekhney ki aur apni community ko uske liye tyaar karne ki ! I have seen so many threads here in jatland, sabko combine karke dekho hamari (60%) mentality aaj bhi wohi hain. Hum itne padhe-likhey uska kuch fayda toh apni community ko dein.

Humaare Gandhi Baba & other politicians ney jo ush samay galti ki woh humein bhugtani padegi (infact bhugat rahe hain), aur ab tak toh shayad humein aisi galtiyon k saath jina bhi seekh lena chahiye kyunki politician yeh galati karte rehte hain uar karte rehengey, votes k chakkar mein they will give every reservation kyunki unke liye minority k vote major hain bcoz majority toh unko aankh bandh karke vote karti hain !

gaganjat
November 17th, 2008, 08:05 AM
I hate the title of this thread ' kitni himmat ho gayi haan aaj musalmano ki..?'

discuss the point why do want to adress the whole community or use words like muslim terrorists

narenderkharb
November 17th, 2008, 04:56 PM
I hate the title of this thread ' kitni himmat ho gayi haan aaj musalmano ki..?'

discuss the point why do want to adress the whole community or use words like muslim terrorists


same here.

Bhupinder
November 24th, 2008, 10:10 PM
MusalMan - Jiska Iman hai jo aapne wayade ka pakaa hai aur jo marna pasand karega per aapne Imaan ko ganda nahi hone dega. Wo hi ek saacha muslmaan hai.

Agar aap dheko tau kuch percent Muslmaan hai jo muslmaano ko badnaam kar rahe aur unko bhadkaane ka kaam karte hai aur aise log muslmaano mai kewal 10% hi hai. Aur wo gande log hai jo bhole bhale logo ko bhadkana chate hai kewal ek kaum ki taraf.

Baaki 90% percent musaalmaan sache hai aur aapni mehant ki roti khaate hai. Isliyee Mai yeh khena chaata hoon ki kuch Gande logo ki wajah se saari kaum ko badnaam mat karo.

Agar hum aapne charoo taraf dekhe tau hum ko yeh milega ki jadatar muslmaan mehant karke aapna gujar basar kar rahe hai.

Humari ladai kewal 10% percent logo se hai aur wo koi bhi ho sakte hai. Jaroori nahi ki wo Musalmaan hi ho. Aur yeh 10% log aapko her community mai mil jaayenge.

Think & speak

Bhupendra

RSTewatia
December 11th, 2008, 05:03 PM
ooye UP ke Badmass..........tajhe ke kuch keh rahe the musalman..........tu apna chupchap reh.............jaha tajhe rahjani karni hai tu vahi kar...........jaha jeb katni hai vahi kat..........kal to khub jeb tarasi hogi bhudhane main.........jab jaam lag raha tha..........jhokhi thadi bannali................





Hi vipin ,
Aap jitni badtamiji se pesh aaye hai Rajeev tomar k saath , mujhe achcha nai laga,rajeev has simply portrayed his views,I think there is nothing wrong in it,
I m not in for or against of the mandir wali ghatna,i dont want to comment on dat , all dat was bloody politics

Humne sabko hamesha gale se lagaya hai yaha tak ki hamara president bhi muslim hai,we are very much secular,so u dont worry about dat

hum sabko is sahi nazar se dekhe aur phir unhi me se koi dhokha de, bum fode,nirdosh logo ka khoon bahaye to tab bhi aap yahi kahenge,

C'mon yaar we should atleast give a thought to Rajeev's views






Aur jaisa ki jitender bhai ne bataya, wo problem maine bhi face ki hai,

Hum jab apne gaon me padhte the to ye problem humne bhi face ki thi ,
My father used to wake me up 4:00 am in the morning daily,aur udhar mandir ka loudspeaker shuru ho jata tha,

kai baar hamne bola lekin mandir k pujari k saath kuch gaam k nashedi bhi waha jama hota the, jo nasha kark er bas wahi pade rehe the
er baat sun k raji nai,