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pawankumar
October 5th, 2008, 09:41 PM
Dear Jatland member,

Today i have gone for programme, That programme has been organised by Jat Milan Welfare Association (Delhi), there is a main issue for identity of JAT community, when two person meet to each other, then say RAM RAM JI in respect of each, RAMRAM is common word that is using by other community also, some word also have been suggested by our senior like as HARI OM, but a common consent has not been generated. In this regard, i request to all JATLAND members to suggest some new word.

rinkusheoran
October 7th, 2008, 11:27 AM
Dear Jatland member,

Today i have gone for programme, That programme has been organised by Jat Milan Welfare Association (Delhi), there is a main issue for identity of JAT community, when two person meet to each other, then say RAM RAM JI in respect of each, RAMRAM is common word that is using by other community also, some word also have been suggested by our senior like as HARI OM, but a common consent has not been generated. In this regard, i request to all JATLAND members to suggest some new word.


First of all could you please tell us why do we need such kind of thing?
Is it regarding hindu jats only or you are really concerned about the jats from sikh, christian and muslim community also?

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 12:52 PM
Bhai Rinku, Koi Jat officer samney ho or humey us ko yea batana hai ke bhai mein bhee jat hun or wahan Jat shabad ka peryog bhee na kerna padey or wo hamarey wish karney say hee samajh jai.

Or aabhee to sirf hindu jaton kee baat ker rahey hai agar ismean safal ho jayangey to fir sarey jatton kee baat karengey.

Sirohi Gotra key log pahley jab miltey they to aapas mein eak dusrey ko Pareee-paina kehtey they or naam tak bataney kee jarurat nahi hoti thee or samney wala samjh jata tha kee yeo sirohi hai.( Yea lagbhag 10 saal pahley meiney dekh hua hai)


First of all could you please tell us why do we need such kind of thing?
Is it regarding hindu jats only or you are really concerned about the jats from sikh, christian and muslim community also?

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 12:55 PM
Bhai Pawan khushi hui aapko yahan dekh ker, Reply positive ho ya negative per vichar to pata chalangey hee.

My view is "Jai Shiva". I heard somewhere that we Jats are shivputra.



Dear Jatland member,

Today i have gone for programme, That programme has been organised by Jat Milan Welfare Association (Delhi), there is a main issue for identity of JAT community, when two person meet to each other, then say RAM RAM JI in respect of each, RAMRAM is common word that is using by other community also, some word also have been suggested by our senior like as HARI OM, but a common consent has not been generated. In this regard, i request to all JATLAND members to suggest some new word.

navingulia
October 7th, 2008, 02:15 PM
an interesting link to knowledge about shiva
http://www.geocities.com/shivbhakta2/shiv.htm

sumeetmalik
October 7th, 2008, 02:16 PM
How about Jai Hind. Secular like Jats and reeks with love for land. Of course it might not go well with Jats in Pakistan.

yudhvirmor
October 7th, 2008, 02:23 PM
First of all could you please tell us why do we need such kind of thing?
Is it regarding hindu jats only or you are really concerned about the jats from sikh, christian and muslim community also?

Though its Off topic. I never heard Christian Jat.....

I think "Jai Hind" carries lot of our traits...

anuchhikara
October 7th, 2008, 03:11 PM
How about Jai Hind. Secular like Jats and reeks with love for land. Of course it might not go well with Jats in Pakistan.



Fantastic!!!!............Jaihind,.....dis word actually make some sense...n dis can be a common word for jats in India atleast.:)

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 03:46 PM
No doubt its good but it is very wel in use of Police and Militery.
In other so maney organisation's they greet their members by Jai Hind.


How about Jai Hind. Secular like Jats and reeks with love for land. Of course it might not go well with Jats in Pakistan.

anilsinghd
October 7th, 2008, 03:57 PM
And I thought we are getting globalised!

dont know but I always get not so good a feeling when we deliberately try and focus on just being JATs.

Even in the greetings , we want to specific? Against my lil common sense :)


Dont kill me tht I am not in positive discrimination to our community , but what I firmly believe is that small leaders , or aspiring leaders use such small issues to divert attention from addressing the core issues! :)
Waste of energy to discuss on such lines!

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Thanks Navin Bhai, Its really informative and intersting too.




an interesting link to knowledge about shiva
http://www.geocities.com/shivbhakta2/shiv.htm

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 04:34 PM
We are not able hold our families and talking globlisation. We never crtisise those who favour globlisation at the cost of their own family, village, Town or countery.

I am fail to understand why we go against our comunity talks when we feel we are wasting time.



And I thought we are getting globalised!

dont know but I always get not so good a feeling when we deliberately try and focus on just being JATs.

Even in the greetings , we want to specific? Against my lil common sense :)


Dont kill me tht I am not in positive discrimination to our community , but what I firmly believe is that small leaders , or aspiring leaders use such small issues to divert attention from addressing the core issues! :)
Waste of energy to discuss on such lines!

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 04:45 PM
Bhai hum jo hai uskee baat karnee hamey to jaruri lagtee hai,
Globlisation ka matlab aapnee Jati, Dharm or Desh ko bhulana nahi hota.

Globlisation mein to kai devloped countery's mein logo ko apney baap ka bhee patas nahi hota. Wo to kehtey es-say kya fark padta hai per hamey to padta hai. Hum aapnee sanskriti ko to nahi chhod saktey.

Or iska fayada ye hoga kee koi bada aadmee(Aapkey jaisa unchee kursee per baitha jaat) shayad keese garib jat ko pehchan ley or uskee madad ker day.


And I thought we are getting globalised!

dont know but I always get not so good a feeling when we deliberately try and focus on just being JATs.

Even in the greetings , we want to specific? Against my lil common sense :)


Dont kill me tht I am not in positive discrimination to our community , but what I firmly believe is that small leaders , or aspiring leaders use such small issues to divert attention from addressing the core issues! :)
Waste of energy to discuss on such lines!

vivekdh
October 7th, 2008, 05:18 PM
agar hum soch bhi le koi word , agar wo hi word punjabi,baniye use karan lagge to fher koi naya dhundoge ke ?;):)

pawankumar
October 7th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Thank you Bhai Karamveer Ji, I am very surprise that some of members of JATLAND are treating it as wasting of time.

But No problem, First of all, I was alone and now u are with me

Thanks a lot

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 05:24 PM
Bhai pahal eak ko hee kernee hoti hai pechhey aaney waley to mil hee jatey hai. Humey aapna kaam kerna chahiyea, "Kuchh to log kahengey logo ka kam hai kehna".


Thank you Bhai Karamveer Ji, I am very surprise that some of members of JATLAND are treating it as wasting of time.

But No problem, First of all, I was alone and now u are with me

Thanks a lot

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 05:31 PM
Bhai Pahley to hamara eak mat hona hee muskil ho raha hai, per socho to sahi pahley shuru to karey baad ke baad mein dekhngey.


agar hum soch bhi le koi word , agar wo hi word punjabi,baniye use karan lagge to fher koi naya dhundoge ke ?;):)

shweta123
October 7th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Globlisation mein to kai devloped countery's mein logo ko apney baap ka bhee patas nahi hota.

Hum aapnee sanskriti ko to nahi chhod saktey.



Globalisation me kai developed countries mein logo ko apney baap ka naam pata bhi hota !! Aapko kya lagta hai ki bina globalisation me sabko apne baap ka naam pata hota hai? Isko globalisation se jodna galat hai !

Globalisation ke kuch dushparinaam jarur hain par us daur me bhi koi bhi dradh nichaayi insaan apna 'character' saaf rakh sakta hai ! Aur jo nahi rakh sakta usko bigadne ke liye globalisation ki jarurat nahi hoti.

Aaj tak kisi globalist ne aake aapko bola hai ki apna dharm, sanskriti, etc etc chod do ? Bataaiye jara uska naam agar aisa koi aaya ho to ? Wo apne hisaab se chal rahe hain aur aap apne hisaab se chalein.....

Aur rahi baat ek common naam sochne ki to isse pehle aur bahut se kaam hai jo kiye ja sakte hain ! Aap kisi globalisation ke favour waale Jat ko to "Who told you to waste your energy and critisise these things.", "Kuchh to log kahengey logo ka kam hai kehna". jaisi kadwi baatein bol rahe hain aur ek aur Jat ekta ke liye is tarah ke prastaav ka samarthan kar rahe hain !

skarmveer
October 7th, 2008, 05:50 PM
Keu na karey hum jat kee baat, Harey liyea yea time ka sadopyog aapkey liyea durupyog hai to aapko nahi karnee chahiyea. Aap us-say sehmat nahi hai to apnee ashmati jatai baat khatam.

Hamarey liyea Jat kee baat kerna Garv kee baat hai chahey perstithiya kuchh bhe hon.



Globalisation me kai developed countries mein logo ko apney baap ka naam pata bhi hota !! Aapko kya lagta hai ki bina globalisation me sabko apne baap ka naam pata hota hai? Isko globalisation se jodna galat hai !

Globalisation ke kuch dushparinaam jarur hain par us daur me bhi koi bhi dradh nichaayi insaan apna 'character' saaf rakh sakta hai ! Aur jo nahi rakh sakta usko bigadne ke liye globalisation ki jarurat nahi hoti.

Aaj tak kisi globalist ne aake aapko bola hai ki apna dharm, sanskriti, etc etc chod do ? Bataaiye jara uska naam agar aisa koi aaya ho to ? Wo apne hisaab se chal rahe hain aur aap apne hisaab se chalein.....

Aur rahi baat ek common naam sochne ki to isse pehle aur bahut se kaam hai jo kiye ja sakte hain ! Aap kisi globalisation ke favour waale Jat ko to "Who told you to waste your energy and critisise these things.", "Kuchh to log kahengey logo ka kam hai kehna". jaisi kadwi baatein bol rahe hain aur ek aur Jat ekta ke liye is tarah ke prastaav ka samarthan kar rahe hain !

vivektaliyan
October 7th, 2008, 06:01 PM
First of all could you please tell us why do we need such kind of thing?
Is it regarding hindu jats only or you are really concerned about the jats from sikh, christian and muslim community also?



Bhai ham hindu jat haan to hindu jat ke liye hi hoga na...:)

sachinb
October 7th, 2008, 06:13 PM
kati sahi kahi bhai, asli problem ki jad to Dhankhar bhai ne pakadi se
nyu karan chahiye ke 3-4 darjan naam soch lene chahiye ar aaye 6 mahina main badal dyo, pher ye baaniye ar punjabian ka bi ilaaj ho jyaaga.
vaise word to JAI HIND theek sai, pakistan ke Jat aap sulat lenge pakistanian ne:)


agar hum soch bhi le koi word , agar wo hi word punjabi,baniye use karan lagge to fher koi naya dhundoge ke ?;):)

sumeetmalik
October 7th, 2008, 06:15 PM
No doubt its good but it is very wel in use of Police and Militery.
In other so maney organisation's they greet their members by Jai Hind.
Yes but not a community or race.

cooljat
October 7th, 2008, 06:43 PM
How about using Jat Reigment's punch line -

"JAT BALWAN, JAI BHAGWAN"

.

anilsinghd
October 7th, 2008, 09:05 PM
We are not able hold our families and talking globlisation. We never crtisise those who favour globlisation at the cost of their own family, village, Town or countery.

I am fail to understand why we go against our comunity talks when we feel we are wasting time.


Bhai hum jo hai uskee baat karnee hamey to jaruri lagtee hai,
Globlisation ka matlab aapnee Jati, Dharm or Desh ko bhulana nahi hota.

Globlisation mein to kai devloped countery's mein logo ko apney baap ka bhee patas nahi hota. Wo to kehtey es-say kya fark padta hai per hamey to padta hai. Hum aapnee sanskriti ko to nahi chhod saktey.

Or iska fayada ye hoga kee koi bada aadmee(Aapkey jaisa unchee kursee per baitha jaat) shayad keese garib jat ko pehchan ley or uskee madad ker day.


Keu na karey hum jat kee baat, Harey liyea yea time ka sadopyog aapkey liyea durupyog hai to aapko nahi karnee chahiyea. Aap us-say sehmat nahi hai to apnee ashmati jatai baat khatam.

Hamarey liyea Jat kee baat kerna Garv kee baat hai chahey perstithiya kuchh bhe hon.

Karmveer ji , aap to sirf kuch shabdon par atak gaye! :)


Globalisation does not come and snatch our familiesi , our values , our culture, hamari "sanskriti " from us. I have been coining this term "positive discrimination" for our community for quite an length of time! But I am firmly against compartmentalisation of things.

Kya sirf aap ek JAT se help lena chahenge? Ek Non - JAt agar madad karta hai to aap nahi lenge ? :)
Kya sabhi Jaton ko sirf JAT firms mein kaam karna chahiye? Kya hum poore samaaj se kat jaayein?

Aur jab madad karne ka time aaye to kya sirf JAt ki madad karein? kisi bhookhe bache ko khaana khilaane se pehle hum usse yeh poochein ki tum JAT ho ya nahi ?:)
aap , main , sabhi shuruaat apni family se hi karte hain , sabse pehle parents , fir relatives , friends and then baaki sab.... lekin jindai mein har mod par sirf ek jagah pe atke rehne se hum aage to nahi badh paayenge?
Spoon feeding ki aadat kab tak rakhenge ? ek taraf JAT se jyaada powerful , strength , wise ka raag alaapa jaata hai is SITE par aur doosri taraf har baat pe ( chahe reservation issues hon ya kuch aur threads ) yeh ki hum Jats ka bhavishya andhkaar mein hai , hum slave ho jaayenge etc etc , mujhe samajh nahi aata ki sach kya hai ?
aap bade hain , aap samjha dijiye please ! :)

Mere bahut chote se vichaar hain , main bas us samaaj ke liye cheejein karna , hote hue dekhna chahta hun , jismein main pala bada hun ... jarooratmand ho , uski madad ki jaaye !!! maine wastage of time isliye nahi likha tha kyunki yeh JAt specific tha , balki isliye ki yeh sab choti choti baatein jinse kuch haasil nahi hona , sochne se behtar hum apna samay kuch karne mein de! :)

I am surprised ki aisi gatherings pe ( jaisi ki author ko thread ne bataayi ) kuch concrete issues discuss hone ke bajaaye , political types ki baatein uthti hain , core hard work ki baat koi nahi karta , bas emotional uprage ke issues uthaa ke sabhi cash in karte hain :)

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Garv mujhe bhi hai , desh pe ! apno se baat karne ka sukh mujhe bhi milta hai :) globalised ho ya nahi , yeh kisi ke liye speicific nahi hai i believe!
:)

sumeetmalik
October 7th, 2008, 10:15 PM
How about using Jat Reigment's punch line -

"JAT BALWAN, JAI BHAGWAN"

.



hmmm...good one. Only its a bit too long for a greeting.

devdahiya
October 8th, 2008, 12:13 AM
JAI RAM JI KI.........is already in use widely.

gaganjat
October 8th, 2008, 12:27 AM
JAI RAM JI KI.........is already in use widely.

bhaisaab it sounds like bihari/bhojpuri :mad: wont suit us

for us a simple one is gud 'kYA HAAL HAI SHERA?'

sachinb
October 8th, 2008, 12:54 PM
laambe aala to koye rola nahi. iska to ilaaj se:) dono bhai aadha aadha baant le. ek bhai jat balwan kahde ar dusra jai bhagwan:rockitna to karna se yu kunsa 17 ka paahda se ke yaad na hove

hmmm...good one. Only its a bit too long for a greeting.

RavinderSura
October 8th, 2008, 03:52 PM
And I thought we are getting globalised!

dont know but I always get not so good a feeling when we deliberately try and focus on just being JATs.

Even in the greetings , we want to specific? Against my lil common sense :)


Dont kill me tht I am not in positive discrimination to our community , but what I firmly believe is that small leaders , or aspiring leaders use such small issues to divert attention from addressing the core issues! :)
Waste of energy to discuss on such lines!
bhai mere samaj nahi aati aapki baat JAT ke greeting ki baat aati hain to aap baat karte hain globalised ki.....
agar aap globalised ki baat karte hain to iss JATLAND site pe kya karne aate ho, iska matlab ye hain ki aapke mann me bi kahi JATwad hain nahi to iss iste pe nahi aate..
bhai ye douglli baat karni chhod de.
aur ebb ruke maran lag jya ak iss thread ne ban karo , yaha zaattiwad ki baat ho rahi hain

RavinderSura
October 8th, 2008, 04:05 PM
Karmveer ji , aap to sirf kuch shabdon par atak gaye! :)


Globalisation does not come and snatch our familiesi , our values , our culture, hamari "sanskriti " from us. I have been coining this term "positive discrimination" for our community for quite an length of time! But I am firmly against compartmentalisation of things.

Kya sirf aap ek JAT se help lena chahenge? Ek Non - JAt agar madad karta hai to aap nahi lenge ? :)
Kya sabhi Jaton ko sirf JAT firms mein kaam karna chahiye? Kya hum poore samaaj se kat jaayein?

Aur jab madad karne ka time aaye to kya sirf JAt ki madad karein? kisi bhookhe bache ko khaana khilaane se pehle hum usse yeh poochein ki tum JAT ho ya nahi ?:)
aap , main , sabhi shuruaat apni family se hi karte hain , sabse pehle parents , fir relatives , friends and then baaki sab.... lekin jindai mein har mod par sirf ek jagah pe atke rehne se hum aage to nahi badh paayenge?
Spoon feeding ki aadat kab tak rakhenge ? ek taraf JAT se jyaada powerful , strength , wise ka raag alaapa jaata hai is SITE par aur doosri taraf har baat pe ( chahe reservation issues hon ya kuch aur threads ) yeh ki hum Jats ka bhavishya andhkaar mein hai , hum slave ho jaayenge etc etc , mujhe samajh nahi aata ki sach kya hai ?
aap bade hain , aap samjha dijiye please ! :)

Mere bahut chote se vichaar hain , main bas us samaaj ke liye cheejein karna , hote hue dekhna chahta hun , jismein main pala bada hun ... jarooratmand ho , uski madad ki jaaye !!! maine wastage of time isliye nahi likha tha kyunki yeh JAt specific tha , balki isliye ki yeh sab choti choti baatein jinse kuch haasil nahi hona , sochne se behtar hum apna samay kuch karne mein de! :)

I am surprised ki aisi gatherings pe ( jaisi ki author ko thread ne bataayi ) kuch concrete issues discuss hone ke bajaaye , political types ki baatein uthti hain , core hard work ki baat koi nahi karta , bas emotional uprage ke issues uthaa ke sabhi cash in karte hain :)

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Garv mujhe bhi hai , desh pe ! apno se baat karne ka sukh mujhe bhi milta hai :) globalised ho ya nahi , yeh kisi ke liye speicific nahi hai i believe!
:)
bhai , ye samaj 36 biradhri se bana hain , aur sab ekathha rahna chahiye...
par bhai jab koi aapke bhai ko kuchh kahta hain ya marta hain to aapko jarur josh ya gussa aata hoga kyoki aapka aapna khoon hain, uss samay aap ye nahi kahte hoge ki sab brabar hain ..
aur bhai agar aissi hi baat hain to iss site ka naam badalwa kar HINDUSTAN LAND.COM karwa de , nahi hindustan me to hindu aa gaye , aaisa karo iska naam badal kar BHARAT LAND .COM kar do,
kyu khaamkha ka zaatiwad failla rakha hain, sirf sur sirf desh ki aur desh ke vikash ki baat karo..kya hindu muslim kya jat bahman...sirf jai bharat...
par bharat bi galat hain iss duniya me to aur desh bi hain , phir unke saath bhedbhav ho jayega...
bhai anil koi badiya si salah de kya kare .....

skarmveer
October 8th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Shayad mein kuchh shabdo per atak jaun keukee meree prathmiktao ke shuruaat hee Jat say hoti hai. Merey pass to shabd bahut hee kum hai
''Mein-mera parivaar-mera samaj-mera desh" or aap to saari duniya ka dhayan rekh saktey hai. Mein eak chhota sa jat jismey lakho kamiya hai or aap bahut badey Budhijeeve, aapkey key paas shabad kaya kesee cheej kee koi kamee nahi hai or hamarey pass kuchh shabad or sawabhimaan key siva kuchh hai hee nahi.


Karmveer ji , aap to sirf kuch shabdon par atak gaye! :)


Globalisation does not come and snatch our familiesi , our values , our culture, hamari "sanskriti " from us. I have been coining this term "positive discrimination" for our community for quite an length of time! But I am firmly against compartmentalisation of things.

I am not happy with defination of family like Husband, wife and our own childern's but to include Mother, father, brother and sister also.

Kya sirf aap ek JAT se help lena chahenge? Ek Non - JAt agar madad karta hai to aap nahi lenge ? :)

Mein to help lena he nahi chahunga jab tak key koi majburi na ho or agar easa hua to kosis jarur karunga ke pahley koi jat mere madad karey. Or chahney say kya hota hum roj dekhtey hai sabhi log pehley aapney logo ke madad kertey hai baad mein kese or kee or dusri jaati key log to hamari madad chhodo chidtey hai hum say. Or karan hum sabhee jantey hai.
Kya sabhi Jaton ko sirf JAT firms mein kaam karna chahiye? Kya hum poore samaaj se kat jaayein?

Miney kanhee nahi kaha kee sirf jaton kee co. mein he kam karo per agar co. jis bhee jaati key owner kee hai wo pehley aapnee jaati key candidate ko hee chance dega chahey wo jat say kem layak hee ho.

Aur jab madad karne ka time aaye to kya sirf JAt ki madad karein? kisi bhookhe bache ko khaana khilaane se pehle hum usse yeh poochein ki tum JAT ho ya nahi ?:)

Jab bhee madad karney kee baat aaii or madad mangney waley do log hua or unmey say eak jat hua to mein to jaat ke pahley madad karunga.

aap , main , sabhi shuruaat apni family se hi karte hain , sabse pehle parents , fir relatives , friends and then baaki sab....
Kehtey hai lekin kartey nahi hai agar karney lagengey to jarur hum aagay
badhingay or puri comunity agay badhagee.
lekin jindai mein har mod par sirf ek jagah pe atke rehne se hum aage to nahi badh paayenge?
Spoon feeding ki aadat kab tak rakhenge ? ek taraf JAT se jyaada powerful , strength , wise ka raag alaapa jaata hai is SITE par aur doosri taraf har baat pe ( chahe reservation issues hon ya kuch aur threads ) yeh ki hum Jats ka bhavishya andhkaar mein hai , hum slave ho jaayenge etc etc , mujhe samajh nahi aata ki sach kya hai ?
aap bade hain , aap samjha dijiye please ! :)

Humney kabhee spoon feeding nahi chahee hum to dharti kee chhati fadker apney or oro key liyea anaj paida karney waley hai per system kuchh logo key haath mein honey key karan hum-may say kuchh log pichad gayea hai or unhey sath lena jaruri hai.

Darad(Pain) yea hai kee hum-may say jo log aagey badh gayea wo aab hamarey ander kamiya bata ker hamey chhodney ka mouka dondtey rehtey hai bajai iskey key hamey batai kee hum in kamiyeo say kesay bach saktey hai or hamey in say kay nuksaan hai.



Mere bahut chote se vichaar hain , main bas us samaaj ke liye cheejein karna , hote hue dekhna chahta hun , jismein main pala bada hun ... jarooratmand ho , uski madad ki jaaye !!! maine wastage of time isliye nahi likha tha kyunki yeh JAt specific tha , balki isliye ki yeh sab choti choti baatein jinse kuch haasil nahi hona , sochne se behtar hum apna samay kuch karne mein de! :)

Bada hum kuchh ker nahi pa rahey or chhota karey na to kam kesay chalega. Jab tak hum kuchh bada karney kee estithee mein aayen tab tak kuchh na kuchh to karey.

I am surprised ki aisi gatherings pe ( jaisi ki author ko thread ne bataayi ) kuch concrete issues discuss hone ke bajaaye , political types ki baatein uthti hain , core hard work ki baat koi nahi karta , bas emotional uprage ke issues uthaa ke sabhi cash in karte hain :)

Bahut uth sakti thee per dard bahut tha kee aapney log jab kuchh karney layak ho jatey hai to pahchan-ney say bhee inkaar ker detey hai or baad mein kehtey kee aarey aapney bataya nahi wo to mere hath mein he tha.

Kuchh din to sabhee maa-baap badey khush hotey hai kee bachchey videsh mein settle ho rahey hai aab koi parehsanee nahi hogee per jab maa-baap(Jinhoney usay apney khun paseena eak karkey eas layak banaya kee wo kuchh ker saky or wo wapas aaney say mana ker day or kahey wo jagah rehney key layak nahi hai to kya fayada easay globlisation ka. I s desh ko kya mila us insaan say jisney yahan ka sab kuchh use kiya or jab kuchh deney ka samay aaya to wo videsh mey he settle ho gaya.
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Garv mujhe bhi hai , desh pe ! apno se baat karne ka sukh mujhe bhi milta hai :) globalised ho ya nahi , yeh kisi ke liye speicific nahi hai i believe!
:)

RavinderSura
October 8th, 2008, 04:51 PM
Shayad mein kuchh shabdo per atak jaun keukee meree prathmiktao ke shuruaat hee Jat say hoti hai. Merey pass to shabd bahut hee kum hai
''Mein-mera parivaar-mera samaj-mera desh" or aap to saari duniya ka dhayan rekh saktey hai. Mein eak chhota sa jat jismey lakho kamiya hai or aap bahut badey Budhijeeve, aapkey key paas shabad kaya kesee cheej kee koi kamee nahi hai or hamarey pass kuchh shabad or sawabhimaan key siva kuchh hai hee nahi.
16 aane sahi baat bhaisaab ,
kam likhi ko jyadha samajna, kyuki hamare pas shabado ki kami hain..

shweta123
October 8th, 2008, 05:05 PM
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Darad(Pain) yea hai kee hum-may say jo log aagey badh gayea wo aab hamarey ander kamiya bata ker hamey chhodney ka mouka dondtey rehtey hai bajai iskey key hamey batai kee hum in kamiyeo say kesay bach saktey hai or hamey in say kay nuksaan hai.

Ye kamiya bataana nahi hota Karamveer ji, apne vichaar prastut karna hota hai. Aur agar hum kisi ke vichaar se sehmat nahi hote hain to iska ye matlab nahi hota ki hum usme kami nikaal rahe hain !

Aur agar ye baat aapne sache dil se kahi hai to pehli baat ye ki ye kami nahi hai soch ka farak hai, aur aapko isse ye nuksaan hai ki is sankuchit maansikta ke saath koi vyakti khushi se jeevanyaapan nahi kar sakta.

Aap subah se lekar apne dainik jeevan me jo bhi aavyaashaktaayein poori karte hain wo Jato ke dwaara nahi apitu sab jaatiyo ke logo ki sahaayata se karte hain.

Aapka doodhwaala Jat nahi hoga, aapne apna Cable connection kisi Jat se nahi liya hoga, aapko akhbaar dene Jat nahi aata hoga, aap raashan ka samaan hamesha Jat se nahi khareedte hoge, aap naukri Jato ke yaha nahi karte hoge, aap hamesha ek Jat MLA ke area me hi nahi rahe honge, aap sabji Jat dukaandaar se nahi lete honge, aapko mechanic ki jarurat padti hogi to wo bhi Jat to nahi hota hoga .....

Har jagah jab aap NON-JAT ki madad lete hain to fir unki madad se kyo katraana, ye hamaari sanskrit hai??

ajayverma1973
October 8th, 2008, 05:42 PM
bhai aap hindu jat ho to kya hua yahan par aur bhi jat hain

Dear Mr. Rinku

You said so many times about other Jats, let us know aur kon kon se jat hain yahan is jatland par?

Awaiting your reply

I am a Hindu Jat and concerned about Hindu jats only and I am sure that most of the Jatlanders (99.99%) are Hindu Jats.

anilsinghd
October 8th, 2008, 05:45 PM
When I initially used to log in on JL , I would look at each and every thread with intent.

Last couple of months , I look at only a few and not only I have to look up at the topic but also the contributors thus far ( not with an intent of "what" all has been said but "who" all have said)!

And the change came beacuse of advice of a couple of learned members and a couple of moderator's remarks.

I guess it would be very easy choice going forward! :) Not to look at anything at all and just refrain. :)


If JL means everything here is Jat-ish , any and every thing would be done by Jats , for Jats! And that the Prudence of Jat-ness would be all around and at the same time never ending rhetoric of being denied of opportunities plus the projection of Jat's being in a very grave situation ( needing help , reservation , means to identify themselves) and extremist opinion as to eliminate other caste , follow anything to defend ourselves!
IF that is exactly the case and the scenario , I am sorry I did not mean to join all this.

I apologise to everyone for causing any trouble and saying anything ! Please excuse me for being ignorant of what we intend to do on JL.

Regards,
Anil

brahmtewatia
October 8th, 2008, 06:31 PM
anil who do you think u are? ... i guess, every body at JATland knows u by anil singh dalal. correct !!!

i ask u one simple question... y dont u write yr name as anil singh world or anil singh universe or may be anil singh milkyway. i know u wont write all these hypothetical names/surnames cos dalal is yr gotra identity among JAT’s. u got no meaning if tht suffix is not behind yr name.

this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's, sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting.

... ok tell me honestly - do u think tht u will feel ashamed if sum1 greets u in a way so as to reveal yr identity? or for tht matter wud u feel ashamed if sumone calls u a JAT?

well if u do then i or no-one can offer u any reasoning. if not then u hav all the reasons in the world to proudly call yr.self a JAT nd feel the utmost pride in being called so. my friend don’t lose yr. identity… this is sumthing u've inherited thru yr forefathers. feel the pride to carry forward this identity to yr nxt generation… nd proudly proclaim “yes, I am proud to be a JAT”

yr identity shapes your culture/tradition, in fact yr very own existence in as much the same way as yr personality instructs yr true behavior. so understanding yourself, knowing what makes you tick and having a grasp on how you are viewed and perceived by the outside world is the true essence of yr identity. the key is to put a little time toward thinking about it and having pride in the process… rest I guess u r intelligent enuff. :)

ajayverma1973
October 10th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Ye kamiya bataana nahi hota Karamveer ji, apne vichaar prastut karna hota hai. Aur agar hum kisi ke vichaar se sehmat nahi hote hain to iska ye matlab nahi hota ki hum usme kami nikaal rahe hain !

Aur agar ye baat aapne sache dil se kahi hai to pehli baat ye ki ye kami nahi hai soch ka farak hai, aur aapko isse ye nuksaan hai ki is sankuchit maansikta ke saath koi vyakti khushi se jeevanyaapan nahi kar sakta.

Aap subah se lekar apne dainik jeevan me jo bhi aavyaashaktaayein poori karte hain wo Jato ke dwaara nahi apitu sab jaatiyo ke logo ki sahaayata se karte hain.

Aapka doodhwaala Jat nahi hoga, aapne apna Cable connection kisi Jat se nahi liya hoga, aapko akhbaar dene Jat nahi aata hoga, aap raashan ka samaan hamesha Jat se nahi khareedte hoge, aap naukri Jato ke yaha nahi karte hoge, aap hamesha ek Jat MLA ke area me hi nahi rahe honge, aap sabji Jat dukaandaar se nahi lete honge, aapko mechanic ki jarurat padti hogi to wo bhi Jat to nahi hota hoga .....

Har jagah jab aap NON-JAT ki madad lete hain to fir unki madad se kyo katraana, ye hamaari sanskrit hai??

Dear Shweta dhaka ji

Aapka bhashan kaabile tareef hai, magar kya aapne kabhi notice kiya hai ki aaj bhi jat kafi pichhde huye hain, awareness ki bahut jayada kami hai jaaton mein specially in rural areas.

Aapne shayad ye bhi notice kiya hoga ki Ek sardar dusre sardar ki aur ek baniya dusre baniye ki ya phir ek chamar dusre chamar ki bahut jyada favour lete hain.

Parantu jab kisi jat ki madad ki baat ati hai to kuch samajhdar aur padhe likhe jat jo khud to accha kama-kha rahe hai mager kisi ki help nahin karte, yehi main reason hai jaton ke pichhde pan ka.

Kuchh log to aise hain jinhe apne aap ko jat kehte huye bhi sharm aati hai.

Main ye nahin kehta ki hamen non jat ki madad nahin karne chahiye magar jahan ham kisi jat ki help kar sakte hain wahan hamesha jat ko preference dena chahiye.

PROUD TO BE A JAT

Samarkadian
October 11th, 2008, 01:53 AM
What abt bowing at ninty degree and saying in rhythm


---->Molad'ism Kayam rahe, Hum Nahi Sudherenge aur aise hi Taang khincahi karenge'

It is evident also...No?

Real Identity a Jat can have is to be a better human being rather than an illuded fanatic.

spdeshwal
October 11th, 2008, 10:29 AM
आपके शरीर और आवाज से निकली तरंगे ही आपका असली परिचय दे देंगी !

आप राम राम , जय राम जी की , जय शिवा या नमस्ते कहें,
आप सामने वाले व्यक्ति का कितना सम्मान कर रहे हैं, ये इस बात पर भी निर्भर करता है की सम्भोधन के समय आप का लहजा , भावः भंगिमा कैसी हैं / आपकी जुबान और शरीर से निकली तरंगे ही आपका असली परिचय दे देंगी , और सामने वाले को समझने में तनिक भी देरी नही लगेगी की आप जाट हैं /आप अपनी वाणी व व्यवहार
में इमानदारी बरतिए , दुसरे जाट को आपके जाट होने का भरोसा हो ही जाएगा!

में आपको एक सची घटना से अवगत करवाना चाहता हूँ ? मेलबर्न में एक भारतीय खाध्य सामग्री की दूकान है /
में एक दिन अपनी पत्नी के साथ कुछ खरीदारी करने वहां गया हुआ था/ एक भारतीय सज्जन दुसरे भारतीय सज्जन से कुछ बातें कर रहे थे / मुझे देखते ही लगा की उनमे से एक जाट या हरयाणा से हो सकता है / जैसे ही में उनके नजदीक आया , साफ़ २ समझ गया की वे किस भाषा में बातें कर रहे थे / एक सज्जन जो सांवले रंग के थे हिन्दी में बोल रहे थे पर उनके लहजे से आप अंदाजा लगा सकते थे की वे दक्षिण भारतीय थे / दुसरे सज्जन भी हिन्दी बोल रहे थे पर पूरी तरह हरयाणवी लहजे में / मेरे नजदीक आने पर भी वे संकुचाये नही बल्कि हलके से मुस्कुराये और अपनी बात जारी राखी / उसके बाद जैसे ही मुझे मोका लगा, मैंने पूछ लिया , भाई कुनसे गाम का है ? वो भाई समझ गया की में उसके प्रान्त व् जिले के बारे में अंदाजा लगा चुका हूँ , इसलिए झट उत्तर दिया , जी में धोड़ ( झझर) से हूँ / पूरा नाम के है भाई? ये प्रशन पूछते वक्त मुझे पूरा विश्वास था की वो भाई जाट है !
जवाब था , " परवीन कादियान, और आप " ? उसके बाद , रोहतक, सी आर पालीटेक्निक, ये वो .....
वापसी पर हमने , उनके घर सिर्फ़ चाय ही नही पी बल्कि उनकी पत्नी ज्योति ने अच्छा खासा नास्ता भी खिलाया / ३-४ सप्ताह में ही वो हमारे बहुत करीबी हो गए हैं !
इस लिए आप अपना दिल और दिमाग खुला रखिये , सामने वाले जाट से परिचय हो ही जाएगा /
ये भी याद रखने योग्य बात है कि एक अच्छा जाट होने के लिए एक अच्छा इन्सान होना बहुत ही जरुरी है

सारे भाई बहन खुश रहो !


सत्यपाल

spdeshwal
October 11th, 2008, 10:53 AM
आज ते बुरा भेण का दिन से !

केवल सम्भोधन ही नही , हमारी बोल चाल का हर शब्द हमारी पहचान से ओतप्रोत है !
पिछले रविवार को किसी सामूहिक भोज में हमारा परिचय एक ऐसे परिवार से हुआ , जो कि धुबल्धन माजरा और सयोंग से मेरी ससुराल के गाँव से अगले गाँव से हैं !भाई समर कादियान भी उसी गाँव से हैं / मेरे साले के उस परिवार के मुखिया जगबीर कादियान से अच्छे दोस्ताना सम्बन्ध रहे हैं ! घर वापसी पर वो हमें अपने घर ले गए और अपने साथ रात का खाना खाने के लिए मना लिया !
खाना परोसते समय जगबीर कि पत्नी सुनीता ने मेरी पत्नी से कहा आज ते बुरा भेण का दिन से !
जगबीर ने कहा, बिल्कुल है !
बुरा भेण से कई सम्बन्ध स्थापित हो गए थे ! उस परिवार से मेरा रिश्ता बटेऊ का रिश्ता बन गया था !
मेरी पत्नी को मेलबर्न में भाई भाभी, भतीजी , भतीजा मिल गए थे !
इस लिए आप सबसे निवदन है जब कभी ऐसा मोका आए तो बुरा जरुर याद रखना !



खुश रहो !

anuchhikara
October 11th, 2008, 11:44 AM
आपके शरीर और आवाज से निकली तरंगे ही आपका असली परिचय दे देंगी !

आप राम राम , जय राम जी की , जय शिवा या नमस्ते कहें,
आप सामने वाले व्यक्ति का कितना सम्मान कर रहे हैं, ये इस बात पर भी निर्भर करता है की सम्भोधन के समय आप का लहजा , भावः भंगिमा कैसी हैं / आपकी जुबान और शरीर से निकली तरंगे ही आपका असली परिचय दे देंगी , और सामने वाले को समझने में तनिक भी देरी नही लगेगी की आप जाट हैं /आप अपनी वाणी व व्यवहार
में इमानदारी बरतिए , दुसरे जाट को आपके जाट होने का भरोसा हो ही जाएगा!




Very true sir!!!.......Even I have experienced dis thing so many times....:)
I m totally agreed dat its ur gestures ,ur way of talking ,ur behaviour etc ....dat introduce U n reveals to others dat u r a jaat..!!!

just be honest in ur behaviour n be what u are!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

skarmveer
October 11th, 2008, 02:57 PM
Ye kamiya bataana nahi hota Karamveer ji, apne vichaar prastut karna hota hai. Aur agar hum kisi ke vichaar se sehmat nahi hote hain to iska ye matlab nahi hota ki hum usme kami nikaal rahe hain !

Ye kamiya batana hee hai Shweta Jee or shayad sabsay aasan bhee yahi hai keukee "Na" kerney key baad kuchh nahi kerna padta or "Han" kerney key baad bahut kuchh kerna padta hai. Isliyea kuchh kerny say aasan hai kuchh kerney waley ko critisize kerna.

Aur agar ye baat aapne sache dil se kahi hai to pehli baat ye ki ye kami nahi hai soch ka farak hai, aur aapko isse ye nuksaan hai ki is sankuchit maansikta ke saath koi vyakti khushi se jeevanyaapan nahi kar sakta.

Jat to jo likhta hai sachchey man say hi likhta hai or mein is sankuchit vichar dhara ko rekhtey hua bhee Bahut khus hun or agar kabhee koi dukh hota hai to Badey vichardhara waley logo ko dekhker hota hai jo aapno kee baat kerney ko bhee tayar nahi hai.

Aap subah se lekar apne dainik jeevan me jo bhi aavyaashaktaayein poori karte hain wo Jato ke dwaara nahi apitu sab jaatiyo ke logo ki sahaayata se karte hain.

Danik jeevan ke aavaashaktain puri kerney key liye jo bhee sadhan chahiyea unkey liyea paisa diya jata hai or uskey badley mein sambandhit log hamara kam kertey hai isey sahayata nahi kaha jata.

Aapka doodhwaala Jat nahi hoga, aapne apna Cable connection kisi Jat se nahi liya hoga, aapko akhbaar dene Jat nahi aata hoga, aap raashan ka samaan hamesha Jat se nahi khareedte hoge, aap naukri Jato ke yaha nahi karte hoge, aap hamesha ek Jat MLA ke area me hi nahi rahe honge, aap sabji Jat dukaandaar se nahi lete honge, aapko mechanic ki jarurat padti hogi to wo bhi Jat to nahi hota hoga .....

Uprokt jo bhee kam aapney batai hai wo sabhee kam jat bhee kertey hai or agar sambhev hota hai to iska avser mein kesee jat ko hee deta hun jahan jat uplabdh nahi hai wahan kesee or say kam liya jata hai keukee yea shabhee kam/vastuyea paisa deker miltee hai islyea agar kesee jat ko iska avser diya jayega to uskey vayvsai mein vardhi hogi or wo khushaal banega.

Har jagah jab aap NON-JAT ki madad lete hain to fir unki madad se kyo katraana, ye hamaari sanskrit hai??

Mein sadharntaya kesee kee madad nahi leta or nahee koi kam free karvana pasand kerta hun. Jahan tak madad kee baat hai to prathmikta jat ko hee hoti hai uskey baad kesee ke bhee madad kee ja sakti hai.

"Charity begins from home"

ajayverma1973
October 11th, 2008, 03:11 PM
Mein sadharntaya kesee kee madad nahi leta or nahee koi kam free karvana pasand kerta hun. Jahan tak madad kee baat hai to prathmikta jat ko hee hoti hai uskey baad kesee ke bhee madad kee ja sakti hai.

"Charity begins from home"

Very true Karamveerji

I am 100% agree with you.

Regards,

shweta123
October 11th, 2008, 03:19 PM
Mein sadharntaya kesee kee madad nahi leta or nahee koi kam free karvana pasand kerta hun. Jahan tak madad kee baat hai to prathmikta jat ko hee hoti hai uskey baad kesee ke bhee madad kee ja sakti hai.

"Charity begins from home"
A human being with a murky goggles of extraneous thoughts by no means changes for good ! Hence proved.

skarmveer
October 11th, 2008, 03:32 PM
For mee what i am saying is good for my comunity and for you I dont know to whom it is good. If we are not concerned for our own comunity then who knows what we do for others.


A human being with a murky goggles of extraneous thoughts by no means changes for good ! Hence proved.

anilsinghd
October 12th, 2008, 12:59 AM
Dear Shweta dhaka ji

Aapka bhashan kaabile tareef hai, magar kya aapne kabhi notice kiya hai ki aaj bhi jat kafi pichhde huye hain, awareness ki bahut jayada kami hai jaaton mein specially in rural areas.

Aapne shayad ye bhi notice kiya hoga ki Ek sardar dusre sardar ki aur ek baniya dusre baniye ki ya phir ek chamar dusre chamar ki bahut jyada favour lete hain.

Parantu jab kisi jat ki madad ki baat ati hai to kuch samajhdar aur padhe likhe jat jo khud to accha kama-kha rahe hai mager kisi ki help nahin karte, yehi main reason hai jaton ke pichhde pan ka.

Kuchh log to aise hain jinhe apne aap ko jat kehte huye bhi sharm aati hai.

Main ye nahin kehta ki hamen non jat ki madad nahin karne chahiye magar jahan ham kisi jat ki help kar sakte hain wahan hamesha jat ko preference dena chahiye.

PROUD TO BE A JAT

Ajay ji have you ever noticed that how much of cribbing you are doing?
Sardars are like that , baniyas are like that , they are well off. Jat are unaware and etc etc , blah blah blah!

Instead of cribbing all the way what efforts do you make to remove the shortcomings! In today's world , the first thing one has to do is to be beveolent , mix up with everyone , seek help from whereever available!

har time jat-tidue , arrogance , , rudeness ka rhetoric gaa ke , what do you think , we are going to progress?
in an college how may jat students would be there , i would not have progressed if not taken help from everyone else which were for sure not jats!
there are so many good initiatives taken for jats and i was referrring to in my first post that rather tahan finding ways to let people know we are jats , do something concrete.
why should we expect people to come to us and then recognise we are jat , why not go and reach out to those who are needy in the first place!




What abt bowing at ninty degree and saying in rhythm


---->Molad'ism Kayam rahe, Hum Nahi Sudherenge aur aise hi Taang khincahi karenge'

It is evident also...No?

Real Identity a Jat can have is to be a better human being rather than an illuded fanatic.

Samar , categorising right as right and wrong as wrong ought to be done! :)



Days are not far when some of these fanatics of JAT-ish ness would call for a separate JAT state!
Life does not start with word JAT and end with that!

anilsinghd
October 12th, 2008, 01:03 AM
A human being with a murky goggles of extraneous thoughts by no means changes for good ! Hence proved.

So you are touching the realms of mathematics :) good to see that!

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Regarding that just talking about our community is by default good , I disagree!

Mere talking and doing nothing and doing stupid unwanted things does not help!
If people can remember I was told by many to relax and not try to push when someone announced that he would take some initiative! :) Even some of dear moderators and senior members advised me to calm and not to interfere. That thing which has been peacefully deposited in the archives of the JL server did not even start!

Now give me excuses that berlin wall was not built in 4 months ! :)

Rhetoric of lets do this , lets do that for our community , raging community sentiments and then doing nothing does not help anyone but a few!

I can see that for sure that some people have mastered this art! ;)

spdeshwal
October 12th, 2008, 04:34 AM
Bhai Karamveer, Nothing to be ashamed off! It is just a discussion!

A friend of mine once commented that we jats are full of enegy.
Other friend commented,"bhai jatton mein enegegy kucchh jyada hi hai , bahoot jaldi chhalak jati hai"
Do we all still need to discuss for a "Distinct word or " set of words" that can be exclusively used by jats to identify ourselves.
Haven't we proved, even on this thread that our behviour itself depicts our true identity.Some special and exclusive Jat traits keep popping up or keep spreading viberations carrying a message 'loud and Clear' that we are jats.
A religious minded gentleman Sh. Karamveer Chahal and an intelligent girl like Sweta can't even bury within or stop it to surface in their discussion. I mean that 'Die hard attitude' even in a discussion.

My grandfather, a staunch Aryasamaji would,t consider Ram as god with so many flaws in his behaviour and would call Shri Krishana as ' a lumpat' always running around girls and wouldn,t consider even 'Dev tulya' forget about as all powerfull God!

Also majority of Jats don't greet each other with "jai ramji ki" but Namaste, simple words like key hall sai , Theek so, Raaji so etc.

If any brother or sister still needs a word or words to identify himself or herself than why not to exclaim in Greeting , "jai jat"



Cheer!

vicky84
October 12th, 2008, 04:47 AM
Dear Pawan Kumar

Quite hard to guess in respect of common words like RAMRAM or HARI OM as these are common for other community people in Haryana.I reckon its better to find some other means to identify people.

vijay
October 12th, 2008, 09:53 AM
I couldn't understand that why we need some separate 'words' to identify ourselves ?
Why it is compulsory to greet in some specific manner ?
What is the harm in using already existing universal words to greet someone ?
Is there any identity crisis for us if we say "Hello" or "Namaste" ?
Why some people here always talk like separatists ?
Why people feel so insecure that they need some separate words to identify themselves ?

Don't they have any recognition yet. If so, then sorry to say that some words can't change their status for sure

vivektaliyan
October 12th, 2008, 12:32 PM
anil who do you think u are? ... i guess, every body at JATland knows u by anil singh dalal. correct !!!

i ask u one simple question... y dont u write yr name as anil singh world or anil singh universe or may be anil singh milkyway. i know u wont write all these hypothetical names/surnames cos dalal is yr gotra identity among JAT’s. u got no meaning if tht suffix is not behind yr name.

this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's, sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting.

... ok tell me honestly - do u think tht u will feel ashamed if sum1 greets u in a way so as to reveal yr identity? or for tht matter wud u feel ashamed if sumone calls u a JAT?

well if u do then i or no-one can offer u any reasoning. if not then u hav all the reasons in the world to proudly call yr.self a JAT nd feel the utmost pride in being called so. my friend don’t lose yr. identity… this is sumthing u've inherited thru yr forefathers. feel the pride to carry forward this identity to yr nxt generation… nd proudly proclaim “yes, I am proud to be a JAT”

yr identity shapes your culture/tradition, in fact yr very own existence in as much the same way as yr personality instructs yr true behavior. so understanding yourself, knowing what makes you tick and having a grasp on how you are viewed and perceived by the outside world is the true essence of yr identity. the key is to put a little time toward thinking about it and having pride in the process… rest I guess u r intelligent enuff. :)




Bhaiji Hat's off to u. That is the real thing which we have to understand. ..:)

vicky84
October 12th, 2008, 01:08 PM
Dear Vijay Kumar

There is no need to have some separate words to identify ourselves as these come from region we belongs to.

I am agree with you that there is no need to behave differently in terms of greetings.

There is no harm in using universal words to greet someone but if i am from Rohtak i might have a dialect that is different from someone who is from Panipat.

Although Hello or Namaste are the most common words to greet but i might find myself comfortable with some common words from Rohtak accent which reveal the same meaning.

I am not sure to whom you are refering to act as a separatists but sometimes it depends upon how do we interpret some things.Positive outlook might change our vision.

I never find myself insecure if i am in Haryana and i am using my Haryanvi language.

Last but not least..If am at a local meeting, i would prefer to act local rather than global.

Cheers

raka
October 12th, 2008, 05:17 PM
bhai vijay , ye baat algavwad ki nahi hain. agar koi greeting word ho to usme mere khyaal ta burai bi koi na s. bakki taam adde gyaani bahut so salah den n ak kya ta aur kis tarah kaum ka bhala hoga.

shweta dhaka, chhori baat neu s, hume dushro ki madad karne me koi pahrej nahi hona chahiye par apno ki madad karne me bi pahrej nahi hona chahiye.
hamare naam ke aage choudhary likha jata hain, jiska matlab jo choudhar kare wo choudhary , aur ye tabi sambhav jab hum aapno ki madad kare .
abi pichhe si Dr.Sukhbir Sangwan ji ko BC Ray khitab se nawaaja thha . par iski coverage media me nahi ki gai, bas rohtak bhaskar me ek chhoti si khabar laga di. agar ye kissi brahman ya bappa kaum se hote to shyaad puri tawajoo di jatti.
aaj hamari kaum kai hisso me batti hui hain ye sab aap logo ke inn vicharo ke karan hain. kaumi ekta bahut jarurui hain, hum ek dushre ki madad karenge tabi aage badenge. hamari aabadi karib 7 crore hain (sabi dharamo ke jat ko mila kar) par wajood na ke brabar hain, ye brahman desh me 7% hain aur desh pe raaj karte hain kyuki inme ekta hain.
aap log sirf 9 se 5 tak ko hi taraqi mante ho kya...m zaatiwad ki baat nahi kar raha hu par kabi gaur karna ye aur hamare saath kaisa bheedbhav karte hain.
ebb site pe hi likh diya sirf "HINDU JATS " ki site ...batao jat ekta kaise hogi. adde bi dharam me fanss re s ,
ebb yo bhai koi badiya sa greeting word puchhe s taam adde bi saru ho gaye, isme koi burai koni bhaiyo.

singhran
October 12th, 2008, 06:31 PM
So you are touching the realms of mathematics :) good to see that!

===========================

Regarding that just talking about our community is by default good , I disagree!

Mere talking and doing nothing and doing stupid unwanted things does not help!
If people can remember I was told by many to relax and not try to push when someone announced that he would take some initiative! :) Even some of dear moderators and senior members advised me to calm and not to interfere. That thing which has been peacefully deposited in the archives of the JL server did not even start!

Now give me excuses that berlin wall was not built in 4 months ! :)

Rhetoric of lets do this , lets do that for our community , raging community sentiments and then doing nothing does not help anyone but a few!

I can see that for sure that some people have mastered this art! ;)


I couldn't understand that why we need some separate 'words' to identify ourselves ?
Why it is compulsory to greet in some specific manner ?
What is the harm in using already existing universal words to greet someone ?
Is there any identity crisis for us if we say "Hello" or "Namaste" ?
Why some people here always talk like separatists ?
Why people feel so insecure that they need some separate words to identify themselves ?

Don't they have any recognition yet. If so, then sorry to say that some words can't change their status for sure

NAKKAR KHANE ME TOOTI KI AWAJ :rockham nahi sunenge

shweta123
October 13th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Bhai Karamveer, Nothing to be ashamed off! It is just a discussion!

A friend of mine once commented that we jats are full of enegy.
Other friend commented,"bhai jatton mein enegegy kucchh jyada hi hai , bahoot jaldi chhalak jati hai"
Do we all still need to discuss for a "Distinct word or " set of words" that can be exclusively used by jats to identify ourselves.
Haven't we proved, even on this thread that our behviour itself depicts our true identity.Some special and exclusive Jat traits keep popping up or keep spreading viberations carrying a message 'loud and Clear' that we are jats.
A religious minded gentleman Sh. Karamveer Chahal and an intelligent girl like Sweta can't even bury within or stop it to surface in their discussion. I mean that 'Die hard attitude' even in a discussion.

My grandfather, a staunch Aryasamaji would,t consider Ram as god with so many flaws in his behaviour and would call Shri Krishana as ' a lumpat' always running around girls and wouldn,t consider even 'Dev tulya' forget about as all powerfull God!

Also majority of Jats don't greet each other with "jai ramji ki" but Namaste, simple words like key hall sai , Theek so, Raaji so etc.

If any brother or sister still needs a word or words to identify himself or herself than why not to exclaim in Greeting , "jai jat"



Cheer!
Thats true to the core - there is a die hard attitude - and often its the backbone of every marvelous thing. Though I dont regard it to be an all Jat characteristic, but yes, this is a peculiar attribute of we people.

But, its usage carries a paramount magnitude. It can make or mar things as is evident here. Die hard attitude in itself depicts nothing unless it finds itself linked with a concern or an underlying issue. at hand.



Die hard attitude to talk nonsense & die hard attitude to talk sense are wholly opposites and one can easily see the divergence that the underlying perception makes! :rolleyes:

Anyways, the issue here is the caste specific fanaticism some members are screening.:mad:

I am a Jat, I acknowledge this identity of mine and fully concur that being a Jat means having some typically specific qualities imbibed in you by birth. So, I see & feel myself to be Jat, but I cant stand the logic being put on show here by some member which says that being a Jat means taking help only from a Jat & helping out only a Jat & blah blah:o …..



It is something like a woman saying that I am a woman & I have peculiar characteristics which are truly gender specific & thus I will help only a woman & will take help only from a woman in the first place ! :D:thappad How much foolish this is !



Being proud of some exclusivity and still being unprejudiced is a bliss. But such delineation, chauvinism & bigotry in this savor are ills. I slam and condemn it & will always do.

brahmtewatia
October 13th, 2008, 01:37 PM
this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's, sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting. :)



ebb yo bhai koi badiya sa greeting word puchhe s taam adde bi saru ho gaye, isme koi burai koni bhaiyo.

as quoted abv by me nd reiterated by many...
this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's,
sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's
nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting.
those who cannot make fruitful/constructive contributions can devote their time on other forums/threads.
... simple rules, explained simply... हाडे धुमस्स्स तारने की जरुरत कोण्या !!! :D:):D

i find all three below worth considering, however i feel "jai JAT" is simple nd precise. :)
v
v
v

How about Jai Hind. Secular like Jats and reeks with love for land. Of course it might not go well with Jats in Pakistan.


How about using Jat Reigment's punch line - "JAT BALWAN, JAI BHAGWAN"


"jai jat"
p.s. : ......... jai JAT :):):)

anilsinghd
October 13th, 2008, 03:18 PM
anil who do you think u are? ... i guess, every body at JATland knows u by anil singh dalal. correct !!!

i ask u one simple question... y dont u write yr name as anil singh world or anil singh universe or may be anil singh milkyway. i know u wont write all these hypothetical names/surnames cos dalal is yr gotra identity among JAT’s. u got no meaning if tht suffix is not behind yr name.


Mere emphasis on the last word is in appropriate Brahm. People also know me by Anil! dont give me logic that there are so many Anil's that are not here on JL , there are also so many dalal's who are not here!

And mere Dalal does not produce my identity , Anil is equally important and most important is my self , my ideas , my views and lot other things!


this thread is calling to define an identity for JAT's, sumthing thts vry much characteristic of JAT's nd can identify a JAT thru simple greeting.

Yes , and you know something , there is inherent contradiction in the statement of yours. On one hand you are saying identity of Jat's is something which is very much cahracteristic of them and on the other you are trying to find one through a common greeting or something?


... ok tell me honestly - do u think tht u will feel ashamed if sum1 greets u in a way so as to reveal yr identity? or for tht matter wud u feel ashamed if sumone calls u a JAT?

well if u do then i or no-one can offer u any reasoning. if not then u hav all the reasons in the world to proudly call yr.self a JAT nd feel the utmost pride in being called so. my friend don’t lose yr. identity… this is sumthing u've inherited thru yr forefathers. feel the pride to carry forward this identity to yr nxt generation… nd proudly proclaim “yes, I am proud to be a JAT”

yr identity shapes your culture/tradition, in fact yr very own existence in as much the same way as yr personality instructs yr true behavior. so understanding yourself, knowing what makes you tick and having a grasp on how you are viewed and perceived by the outside world is the true essence of yr identity. the key is to put a little time toward thinking about it and having pride in the process… rest I guess u r intelligent enuff. :)



Yes , i dont need an identity because i already have it. There is no feeling of ashamedness of anything. I am prudent enough to let everyone know from where i come from , what my gradfathers did , waht my cousins who are in villages do!


Different people have opined already that the distinct tinge of pronunciation we have when we speak and the aura around us is sufficient enough for anyone to recognise what we are!

We dont have an identity crisis , at all , it is just the imagination and the work of people who want to rage community sentiments and in the process derail people from focussing on the more important issues at hand! :)

ajayverma1973
October 16th, 2008, 06:13 PM
Ajay ji have you ever noticed that how much of cribbing you are doing?
Sardars are like that , baniyas are like that , they are well off. Jat are unaware and etc etc , blah blah blah!

Instead of cribbing all the way what efforts do you make to remove the shortcomings! In today's world , the first thing one has to do is to be beveolent , mix up with everyone , seek help from whereever available!

har time jat-tidue , arrogance , , rudeness ka rhetoric gaa ke , what do you think , we are going to progress?
in an college how may jat students would be there , i would not have progressed if not taken help from everyone else which were for sure not jats!
there are so many good initiatives taken for jats and i was referrring to in my first post that rather tahan finding ways to let people know we are jats , do something concrete.
why should we expect people to come to us and then recognise we are jat , why not go and reach out to those who are needy in the first place!





Samar , categorising right as right and wrong as wrong ought to be done! :)



Days are not far when some of these fanatics of JAT-ish ness would call for a separate JAT state!
Life does not start with word JAT and end with that!

Dear Anilji

You didn't get my point or got it in a wrong way what I said. I am not against helping each other, I always say if you have an opportunity to help two persons at same time you must prefer a Jat to uplift our community.

I assure you that this is not hypocrisy; I helped my community so many times in many ways.

I am in HR department and always prefer to give a change to Jat candidate, even if he/she is having a little inferior candidature.

Hope you get my point of view.

Thanks,

pawankumar
November 1st, 2008, 05:47 PM
Dear anil ji,

Thanks for giving a proper answer but i am sad that jatland is a such platform of jats and we are unable to find out a common word, most of the members have initiated a possitive direction but few negative thinking members have initiated a negative direction.

Samarkadian
November 5th, 2008, 09:36 PM
Thanks for Successfully concluding this thread Pawan Ji.:)

As Pawan ji has mentioned that thread has acomplished its motive in the terms of discussion, this thread is beling closed.