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brahmtewatia
October 31st, 2008, 11:32 AM
we are Indians
we live in the great land of bharat, the land of kaamsutra.
hamare yahan SEX nahin hota.
bacche to bhagwan ke "gift" hote hain.
we marry and in a year god blesses us with kids - preferably a son.
parents don't have SEX. so why should the children learn about it?
why should we pollute our children's minds with this nonsense?
we drove the british out of the country 60 years ago. angrez are papis.
they corrupt our women and tell them to study, think independtly, demand respect and equality ! oops !!!

we want the white skin of the angrez. we will spend thousands on creams to become "gori or gora".
we want "gori mems" in bikinis dancing with repulsive-looking boys/men/asses in our pop and filmi videos and pay them more than what our desi dancers earn.
we want to copy their music, films (DVD's zindabad), their clothes and "yo mans !!!" :D
we want their food and will make fun of those who eat curd rice, idlis and chapattis.
we will ape their accents and will fall over each other in welcoming "phoren" return relatives for toblerone chocolates and wine.

BUT SEX??? HOW DARE U !!! :mad::mad::mad:

we will turn off the TV or change the channel if an AIDS or a condom ad airs. jab india mein SEX nahin hota to AIDS kahan se aata?
we will gherao schools and demand chapters on specific organ systems to be deleted. we will punish children who raise their voices against abuse.
arre, how can uncle rape you? you are bad ! rape cannot happen because... INDIANS DON'T HAVE SEX !
we will keep our children in the dark so that they stumble while trying to escape the darkness and hurt themselves. it is the vulgar west that made our children to search for light.
we will allow female foeticide/infanticide, sex-trafficking/cruelty and dowry deaths. they are part of our culture.

SEX EDUCATION... IT IS DIRTY. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i was appalled to learn frm many worthy members at JL tht... SEX is all around, it comes naturally, kids are self-learners. its waste of money and resources, or it’s a sort of showing open-mindedness or showing off etc etc. Ignorance is BLISS, at least for our politicians nd many JATlanders here. jahaan bachhe paida karne ho, wahan ham hindustani sab se aage hein, and when we talk of sex education, all these members are displaying their head-in-the-sand mindset on the issue of sex education, or lack thereof.

knowledge is blasphemy !!! asatyameva Jayate !!!... tht seems to be the mantra here at JATland, as was observed in the other thread on JL that has now been closed for right reasons. i'm reviving this thread since i feel a lot needs to be discussed here. i stay in a country where every 2nd person whom I shake hands is HIV +ve and can feel the importance of SEX EDUCATION. (please note tht when i say every 2nd person, i mean the blacks not the whites).

pls share yr views, as to what you feel about it. i have given an idea as to what i feel about it. more will follow from my side in other posts.

d_dhankhar
October 31st, 2008, 12:03 PM
Brahm ji indeed a very important topic. and the way you described it, I guess everyone can understand.

I still remember when I was in my ninth class our principal decided to give this knowledge only to girls. She kicked all of us (Boys) out of the class and taught only girls about it. I never understood why she never give us this knowledge. But after reading your post I understood exactly why.....

I guess its very important and why, we can look at the population of India as an example. "Bache to Bhagwaan ki den hai. Hum kya kar sakte hai."

sachinb
October 31st, 2008, 03:13 PM
Whether we name it as Sex Education, Moral Science or Naitik Shiksha, it looks more of a fight on calling it by Sex Education.

Since people are insisting and more attached to calling it Sex Education, no problem in that case and lets call it *Sex Education*.:rock

Fine, from various discussions, it seems we have lot of educated and knowlegdeable member of this field on Jatland, so why not start teaching this *Sex Education* on this website itself.

There is a separate forum under the name Medical, so please someone take the lead who thinks that he/she can impart this valuable knowledge atleast to the member of this site.

Otherwise we will keep creating new threads and moderators will keep on closing them after some time because of no contribution made.

Charity begins at home and Jatland is like an online home for Jats on internet. So please take initiative and spread awareness on this subject *Sex Education* on Jatland. Otherwise no point beating around the bushes:rocknahi to pher sarkaar ki baat mein bethe rahiyo

Starting Sex Education on this site will make things more clear for both who were against(with reasons:)) it and for those who were in favor of it(with reasons too:))

brahmtewatia
October 31st, 2008, 03:20 PM
let me throw an open challenge to all worthy members to come and prove their point when they say: :rolleyes:
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but if sex education means teaching kamasutra, then it should not b taught to the young people.


then schools shouldnt mind having maternity wards in the compound in future...;)


As for ur this very question, I think there is no need for sex education since today's kids themselves are so intelligent & self learners !! And above all TV/Cable/Internet are best teachers who give gyaan whatever they curious about ... :cool::p


I guess a course in class 11th or 12th is good enough , there ain't a lot to teach i beleive as Jit said , people are smart enough! :rolleyes:


spoon feeding!!!...hadh hain

do Spoon feeding required in every course of life....kuch toh apne aap bhi seekhne do logon ko.....:cool:....
and in todays world...people r smart enough to gain knowledge abt safe sex education from n number of sources...


Vaise aajkal ye bhi ek fashion sa ban gaya hai ki Sex Education ke upar apni consent dikhaa do and you will be labled as very broad minded and educated person,,, :)

Rest things like understanding person of opposite sex etc, these require more of moral values, inter personal relations with human beings rather than sex education focusing on opposite sex only, and if some one say that explaining moral values for better understanding between male/females should be named as Sex Education, i dont think justice is done.
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theek kahi bhai ne,,,,,,thode din paachhe log nyu kahan laag jyaange ke yu to Science subject se Practical bhi hone Chahiye:rock.

shweta123
October 31st, 2008, 03:27 PM
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Charity begins at home and Jatland is like an online home for Jats on internet. So please take initiative and spread awareness on this subject *Sex Education* on Jatland. Otherwise no point beating around the bushes:rocknahi to pher sarkaar ki baat mein bethe rahiyo

Starting Sex Education on this site will make things more clear for both who were against(with reasons:)) it and for those who were in favor of it(with reasons too:))
Should we close all schools because every information is available on the Internet? :rolleyes:

This suggestion of yours is futile. All subjects somewhere requires a human touch to be taught and so is the case with this ! :cool:

sumitsehrawat
October 31st, 2008, 03:28 PM
For the time being, my contribution on this thread would just be a repetition of your post. Probably, I would have used the same word pattern. Very nicely put!



BUT SEX??? HOW DARE U !!! :mad::mad::mad:
we will keep our children in the dark so that they stumble while trying to escape the darkness and hurt themselves. it is the vulgar west that made our children to search for light.
we will allow female foeticide/infanticide, sex-trafficking/cruelty and dowry deaths. they are part of our culture.

SEX EDUCATION... IT IS DIRTY. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i was appalled to learn frm many worthy members at JL tht... SEX is all around, it comes naturally, kids are self-learners. its waste of money and resources, or it’s a sort of showing open-mindedness or showing off etc etc. Ignorance is BLISS, at least for our politicians nd many JATlanders here. jahaan bachhe paida karne ho, wahan ham hindustani sab se aage hein, and when we talk of sex education, all these members are displaying their head-in-the-sand mindset on the issue of sex education, or lack thereof.

knowledge is blasphemy !!! asatyameva Jayate !!!... tht seems to be the mantra here at JATland, as was observed in the other thread on JL that has now been closed for right reasons. i'm reviving this thread since i feel a lot needs to be discussed here. i stay in a country where every 2nd person whom I shake hands is HIV +ve and can feel the importance of SEX EDUCATION. (please note tht when i say every 2nd person, i mean the blacks not the whites).

pls share yr views, as to what you feel about it. i have given an idea as to what i feel about it. more will follow from my side in other posts.

sachinb
October 31st, 2008, 03:44 PM
kar lyo human touch kun naate se:rock,,,,khulwao school padhao ke padhauoge,,,,itni cheej is site ke upar share karo so pher Sex Education ke upar batan mein ke dikkat aawai se,,,,main to kahu su ke padhao khoob padhao,,,,nyu to dekhna chaahun se ne ke Sex Education mein tam ke padhaoge:)

un to rukke maran laag jya ke honi chahiye ar honi chaahiye,,,jab kah di ke shuru karo pher bilakh ge:rock

School kyukar band ho jyaange,,,,school aapni jagah se,,,,moral values un mein bhi padhaayi jaa se,,,,,,vo to explain karan aale ar samjhan aale ke upar se,,,,,history mein to bi aadmi kaam ki baat seekhe se,,,,jinhen comparision karana aave se ve khoob kare sei,...

Isse Sex Education ke paachhe pad rhe so to pher Jatland mein padhaan te ke dar laage se,,,,karo shuru ,,,,,,ye bahaane baaji to koyi kar lyo

suggestion to futile laagegi,,,,,dhore kuchh daana paani ho na jab e to education start karte:rock aap jaise gyaani-dhyaani insaan ek baar shuruat to karo na,,,,,,,school mein to aapne aap timle bal jyaange


Should we close all schools because every information is available on the Internet? :rolleyes:

This suggestion of yours is futile. All subjects somewhere requires a human touch to be taught and so is the case with this ! :cool:

sachinb
October 31st, 2008, 03:59 PM
What challenge:) no challenge to your knowledge, thats why i said please take the initiative and start imparting Sex Education if you want to name so. Please start go ahead most welcome.:rock

There are people who require knowledge of Kamasutra also, but what if some one wants to follow the path of sainthood, if some one wants to become a sage, a sanyaasi, a brahmachaari and an ascetic.

You go and read the books of Satyarth Parkash and understand what are different Maithyuns which are forbiden if some one wants to become a true brahmchaari, these are not 2-3 types of Maithyuns they are more than 8. What will happen if you start teaching Kam-sutra to everybody.

What i have been saying is that you people are restricting the scope of Naitik Sheeksha by just focussing on Sex Education. These things can not be genralized and can be done on need basis only.




let me throw an open challenge to all worthy members to cum and prove their point when they say: :rolleyes:
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shweta123
October 31st, 2008, 04:04 PM
........,itni cheej is site ke upar share karo so pher Sex Education ke upar batan mein ke dikkat aawai se,,,,main to kahu su ke padhao khoob padhao,,,,nyu to dekhna chaahun se ne ke Sex Education mein tam ke padhaoge:)


I didnt knew ki hamne Coefficient of Beta, Regression Analysis, Z- Test, Theory of Relativity etc bhi yaha discuss ki hui hain :rolleyes: kyonki aapke hisaab se hum to lagbhag sab kuch iss site pe share karte hain :thappad

Have we ever discussed about how to kick sick people out of the site first :cool:

to fer tum iske peeche hi kyo pade ho, baaki cheezo se shuru karte hue ispe pahunchenge. aap yaha ke raaja to ho nahi ki aapne kaha ye to hum shuru ki lo ji ye :thappad.... hamari marji jo discuss karna chahe kare na kare..... you are none to give directions !

shweta123
October 31st, 2008, 04:11 PM
There are people who require knowledge of Kamasutra also, but what if some one wants to follow the path of sainthood, if some one wants to become a sage, a sanyaasi, a brahmachaari and an ascetic.



Kamasutra and sex education are nowhere same or similar terms or issues!
We teach mathematics, english, science etc to every student. What if some one wants to be a painter ? Then as per your opinion he should never be taught English !

Gosh ! Brahm ji that is it ! This was the reason that people advocated that we are still far away ........ Its a pity to see the pathetic mental status of many a people and it seems that talking about imporatnce of that hushy bushy term is worse than blowing a trumpet before a buffaloe :(

sachinb
October 31st, 2008, 04:12 PM
Raja to kati nahi su,,,,,lekin aankh meench ke kise ke paachhe bi bhaajan ki adat konya,,,,,isaa laage se ib tain paachhe haanji haanji karan aale dekhe the

If we have not then for sure we should discuss not only how to kick sick people out of site but also how to identify sick people:)

I conveyed my point that internet is an important tool in todays world and please use it for imparting the so called sex education, then whats your problem, it was not a personal attack, if you have some thing to communicate you do so with strong conviction who stops you, same way if i have some point i will do so thats it and so simple:rock

jo manne kahana tha kah diya,,,,no more comments from my side,,,,kahan ki baat saari kah di hain:rock


I didnt knew ki hamne Coefficient of Beta, Regression Analysis, Z- Test, Theory of Relativity etc bhi yaha discuss ki hui hain :rolleyes: kyonki aapke hisaab se hum to lagbhag sab kuch iss site pe share karte hain :thappad

Have we ever discussed about how to kick sick people out of the site first :cool:

to fer tum iske peeche hi kyo pade ho, baaki cheezo se shuru karte hue ispe pahunchenge. aap yaha ke raaja to ho nahi ki aapne kaha ye to hum shuru ki lo ji ye :thappad.... hamari marji jo discuss karna chahe kare na kare..... you are none to give directions !

anilsinghd
October 31st, 2008, 04:51 PM
let me throw an open challenge to all worthy members to cum and prove their point when they say: :rolleyes:
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Was quite strange you put me in the list as well!

Anyways , i did not say that it SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT.

What i said was that in class 11th or 12th , one course is fine enough! One course , lets say even if you have one class a week , you can easily get 40 hours for this. That is no mean less time!

Okie , if you insist , i can add a word to my previous post.

Modified, it looks like this:(addition in RED)


I guess a course in class 11th or 12th is good enough , there ain't a HELL lot to teach i beleive as Jit said , people are smart enough! :rolleyes:



hope that is helpy! :)

anilsinghd
October 31st, 2008, 05:01 PM
Sachin , your idea of a informative thread on JL about Sex Education is nice and people must look into it seriously but the way you are trying to put forth your point ain't constructive by any stretch of imagination!

Ofcourse statement like these do not help!



un to rukke maran laag jya ke honi chahiye ar honi chaahiye,,,jab kah di ke shuru karo pher bilakh ge



Next , I second Shweta's point on leaving it to individual to d ecide what he wants to do. I did not read any single course of finance in my graduation and post graduation and here i am sitting in an investment management firm. What to do is individual's choice , Just knowing Kamasutra cannot disallow a person to become a saint! Dont quote books here , use common sense on this!



There are people who require knowledge of Kamasutra also, but what if some one wants to follow the path of sainthood, if some one wants to become a sage, a sanyaasi, a brahmachaari and an ascetic.


What will happen if you start teaching Kam-sutra to everybody.

What i have been saying is that you people are restricting the scope of Naitik Sheeksha by just focussing on Sex Education. These things can not be genralized and can be done on need basis only.


And you answer for yourself! I guess the need basis optionality should be for exclusion and not inclusion.

As someone has already mentioned , Sex education is not teaching Kamasutra , it is about a lot of things to prevent the spread of myths , rumours , harmful , uncurable disease and much more!

A couple of years back I read an article in HT ( main section , no gossiping ) , that about 70 % women in India are having forced sex at some point of time or the other , If i chop the value to straight half assuming the analysis was wrong to this big extent , 3 5 % or even 5 % is a big number , I am sure , SEX EDUCATION can cater to these kind of problems as well and will do more social good than wrong! :)

shweta123
October 31st, 2008, 05:10 PM
A couple of years back I read an article in HT ( main section , no gossiping ) , that about 70 % women in India are having forced sex at some point of time or the other , If i chop the value to straight half assuming the analysis was wrong to this big extent , 3 5 % or even 5 % is a big number , I am sure , SEX EDUCATION can cater to these kind of problems as well and will do more social good than wrong! :)
But often people on the other side of the story i.e. who are responsible for such crimes on 70% or as you said may be 5% of the women will never want them to come out of it !

sachinb
October 31st, 2008, 05:15 PM
when same thing is conveyed in haryanvi,,,,,thodi si cheees faaltu ho se,,,,aur manne isa kuchh na likh raakhya,,,,,haryanvi mein to haryanvi aala andaaj challega,,,,

i am not forcing any thing here and neither its practical or feasible to force some thing on others especially when you are on net,,,,,

what i meant was that rather than creating threads if people think it right then why dont they come ahead and start teaching,,,,,ek thread chaalu kardyo ke hona chahiye ya nahi,,,uske upar pher rola,,,arre bhai itni badhiya baat hai to shuru kar dyo,,,isme dikkat ke se,,,,

what other points you have mentioned i will not comment, what i wanted to convey i have already conveyed,,,,khodan ne to ib mein kitna e khod lyun

dusri baat bhai sahab ye hai ki kisi ki ji-hajuri ki adat to hai nahi,,,,shayad yahi andaaj mera kisi ko akhar gaya hoga,,,,,,,,,har aadmi ka apna apna tarika ho se,,,aur bhai sahab koye manne pathetic mental state aala kahave to vaa uski marji uski soch,,,,mera to kuchh ghista nahi

ib jis ne jo aachha laaga vo likhye jaao,,,,,mauj lyo sab



Sachin , your idea of a informative thread on JL about Sex Education is nice and people must look into it seriously but the way you are trying to put forth your point ain't constructive by any stretch of imagination!

Ofcourse statement like these do not help!




Next , I second Shweta's point on leaving it to individual to d ecide what he wants to do. I did not read any single course of finance in my graduation and post graduation and here i am sitting in an investment management firm. What to do is individual's choice , Just knowing Kamasutra cannot disallow a person to become a saint! Dont quote books here , use common sense on this!




And you answer for yourself! I guess the need basis optionality should be for exclusion and not inclusion.

As someone has already mentioned , Sex education is not teaching Kamasutra , it is about a lot of things to prevent the spread of myths , rumours , harmful , uncurable disease and much more!

A couple of years back I read an article in HT ( main section , no gossiping ) , that about 70 % women in India are having forced sex at some point of time or the other , If i chop the value to straight half assuming the analysis was wrong to this big extent , 3 5 % or even 5 % is a big number , I am sure , SEX EDUCATION can cater to these kind of problems as well and will do more social good than wrong! :)

downtoearth
October 31st, 2008, 09:23 PM
let me throw an open challenge to all worthy members to cum and prove their point when they say: :rolleyes:
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tewatia bhai....some questions before i start this debate .....

1 >> about the syllabus of this so called s** education ? have u got the copy?

2 >> what should be the proper age ?

3>> what about the education system ? ( teachers , labs , viva , examiner) ?

4 >> when this so called education should be removed?

devdahiya
October 31st, 2008, 10:54 PM
There are certain things in our society like this one....SEX EDUCATION which is considered silly and dirty.To keep it under rap is no solution because whole damn world is curious about something concealed and only discussed and practiced close door.Very difficult to say whether our forefathers were right or wrong in calling this unique attribute a silly thing....may be their experience suggested that it be kept a guarded secret till adulthood.



Let not the curiosity kill the cat is my take.Of course todays's generation(at least educated) have options available in shape of internet etc to get detailed information as to what this thing all about and can update themselves without getting embarrassed but the real problem lies in most of the cases where net is not with in reach there by living the curiosity lurking with in.....Specially in villages.SEX is a natural biological instinct so far as the reproductive requirement is concerned but real danger lies in not knowing the inherent dangers associated with unprotected sex before marriage...leading to stigmas,AID,social disgrace etc specially in case of GIRLS who become the real victims of such innocent but consequential episodes on regular basis.


So much can be written on this important topic but i will restrict myself keeping in mind the diverse sentiments of worthy members on this very important yet very controversial issue. As per me right time for this kind of education is from 9th to 12th.....which should be undertaken through a well thought of lesson plan under the guidance of a mature and dignified teacher.Lessons can be made interesting giving them a suitable shape of a story with morals attached.Girls in particular need more inputs as lot gets at stake in their case....at least till today.



Rest if time permits please.............

anilsinghd
November 1st, 2008, 01:26 AM
tewatia bhai....some questions before i start this debate .....

1 >> about the syllabus of this so called s** education ? have u got the copy?

2 >> what should be the proper age ?

3>> what about the education system ? ( teachers , labs , viva , examiner) ?

4 >> when this so called education should removed?

Hi Rupender , let me take a stab at this one. Indirectly Dev Ji has very succintly anwsered your questions in his above post.

But I am a fan of a pointwise approach , let me try and reproduce:

1) The syllabus covers at least the basic edcuation of the different human body parts , their proper understanding , functioning , dispelling the common myths. It should also include safe practices , knowledge of the results of the bad practises.

2) Proper age to me is class 11th.

3) I am pretty sure every biological teacher should be able to do this. I remember my biology teacher doing a bit of the same in class 9th and she was very young , she did have a hard time , but she did well!

I am not so sure about any practical compnent in here other than simple models , animation , videos , audios etc.

4) There aint a case of removal , as i said earlier , it should be good enough for a 1 course in one class , that should basically cover it all!



And about your question of "have you got the copy ?" , let me quote Brahm:
!!! until we begin...hv patience...remember "rome was not built in a day"... !!! brahm p. tewatia !!!


:)

pnauhwar21
November 1st, 2008, 03:44 AM
As far as I remember, our science books already have chapters on human reproductive systems where we did get knowledge about both genders. Not sure why & what else the proponents of Sex Education want to tell students of 9th & 12th..Do you want students to focus on their career paths and plans after school or want them to know about which brand of condoms to use for safer sex? We already have so many MMS cases where some school children are already engaging in these activities now-a-days thanks to internet which has opened a plathora of knowledge. By telling every student about safe sex, ways to avoid AIDS, best way to do S*..etc, you are only going to add the knowledge on a topic which is not required at that stage & age else students would be willing to try safe sex. At the most, Sex education should be available only to people planning to get married and are legally adults.

Totally agree with Sachin's views, his points are being taken in a different context. If you still believe in this education, please do mention the topics you would like teachers to cover and why do you think it needs to be done at school level. This will help in understanding your viewpoint better.

sumitsehrawat
November 1st, 2008, 08:50 AM
Absolutely correct. Sex education in school is more of sexual awareness. Point 1 in Anil's post is precisely what Sex Education in school is and should be all about.

Implementation:
In some schools boys and girls have separate and different (pls understand the difference between separate and different) classes/sessions which I believe is the right way given the early adoption of this concept. This prevents the embarrassment of female students (mostly) that generally arises irrespective of how modern or open-minded one is.

Now these boys and girls would go back home (their respective) and very well share some fraction of their learning with their siblings especially the younger ones. This would have its limitations like an elder sister would prefer talking to her younger sister and an elder brother would prefer talking to his younger brother. And, that is absolutely fine. The reverse is even more beneficial. A boy/girl goes back home and discusses it with his/her respective elder brother/sister. How-so-ever minimal information is shared actually spreads the awareness.

The long-term impact is wonderful. In future, we (as parents) would be more comfortable imparting this knowledge to our children at whatever appropriate age we consider. This is something that is missing in most of the so-called 'modern' families even today.

Things would evolve with time though.

P.S.: It is needed.



1) The syllabus covers at least the basic edcuation of the different human body parts , their proper understanding , functioning , dispelling the common myths. It should also include safe practices , knowledge of the results of the bad practises.

I am not so sure about any practical compnent in here other than simple models , animation , videos , audios etc.

brahmtewatia
November 1st, 2008, 04:29 PM
at the very outset, my humble apologies to anil for including his name in the list of anti-sex education supporters, which i did deliberately, cos concurring to some one's views w/o substantiation [:p] can put you in bad light. i knew for sure that a person of your stature cannot be a testimony to such a lame and sleepy reasoning. [:)]

secondly, while appreciating every one's point of you I am glad to see that the topic out here is worth discussing as seen by the participation by many worthy members. a special thanks to dev sir, for his very sensible thoughts, as I request other senior members to share there view, cos their participation and experience on the subject can put the things in better perspective. (ooops is that my format of writing... i guess it is !!! [;)] as i transcend further towards the prakashit state of mind [:D]

@ rupendera, since you have quoted me, i'm obliged to answer you, but i guess anil has very explicitly answered to your queries. I now request you to give sense to the challenge that you have accepted. ;)

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@ topic... let me clarify my stand, before i proceed any further... if you read my 1st post carefully, you'll realize that i've only mentioned about SEX EDUCATION, which as per me can come from father to son, mother to daughter, or combination of both. It can also come from preachers to pupils, teachers in school through proper lessons or from any other appropriate source. (we can surely discuss the sources) i never said that this should be made compulsory in schools as a separate entity, where-in you forget all other educational subjects and curriculum and keep your focus only and only on SEX EDUCATION. i guess, this would help many out here, to come out of the euphoria of the very word "SEX EDUCATION". i have observed that the people have a prejudice regarding sex education and feels that sex education is a way of enticing or encouraging young children in to having a sexual relationship. In fact it is necessary for young children aged 11 and above to know about the biological aspect of sex and understand the human physiological body. (more on this later)

shweta has very rightly said that... "All subjects somewhere requires a human touch to be taught and so is the case with this !" and so is my stand on the subject, as addressed above. anil says that there (may or) may not be a lot to study on the subject and few lessons per week could serve the purpose. I too, would safely agree to his point of view. dev sir has very rightly said that... "Girls in particular need more inputs as lot gets at stake in their case....atleast till today." this forces me to request the female members to come out of their inhibitions and share their worthy views.

The big question now comes is whether to impart this education to our youngsters or not. If yes, then how and at what stage, if not then why not ? its implications and other associated issues. we can surely discuss this to be implemented in schools or not. however i would request the members to put forth their viewpoints as to how this should be imparted. i would also welcome other suggestions, that have skipped my attention and are worthy to be discussed. the idea of talking about kaamsutra, opening maternity wards in school is totally absurd and shows hollow mindset. :mad:

looking at the complexity of the topic, i request all the members not to drag the issue out of proportion, and show some sense and restraint while commenting. :) (me saying these words :D)

p.s. : as per my views, it would be appreciated if a precedence is established for a member to reply, if he has been quoted and the question is prudent. members may have different views on this but i observed that at times the person feels neglected and stupid, when his reasoning is not answered.

hoodarajesh
November 1st, 2008, 04:37 PM
kar lyo human touch kun naate se:rock,,,,khulwao school padhao ke padhauoge,,,,itni cheej is site ke upar share karo so pher Sex Education ke upar batan mein ke dikkat aawai se,,,,main to kahu su ke padhao khoob padhao,,,,nyu to dekhna chaahun se ne ke Sex Education mein tam ke padhaoge:)

un to rukke maran laag jya ke honi chahiye ar honi chaahiye,,,jab kah di ke shuru karo pher bilakh ge:rock

School kyukar band ho jyaange,,,,school aapni jagah se,,,,moral values un mein bhi padhaayi jaa se,,,,,,vo to explain karan aale ar samjhan aale ke upar se,,,,,history mein to bi aadmi kaam ki baat seekhe se,,,,jinhen comparision karana aave se ve khoob kare sei,...

Isse Sex Education ke paachhe pad rhe so to pher Jatland mein padhaan te ke dar laage se,,,,karo shuru ,,,,,,ye bahaane baaji to koyi kar lyo

suggestion to futile laagegi,,,,,dhore kuchh daana paani ho na jab e to education start karte:rock aap jaise gyaani-dhyaani insaan ek baar shuruat to karo na,,,,,,,school mein to aapne aap timle bal jyaange

chalo school me balak pad bhi aaye ya siksha . par asli samsya
to jab paida hogi jab balak school se ghar aakar pdos main iska
home work karne lag jayenge . isliye hay bhaiyo rahan do ya siksha

shobhitdeshwal
November 1st, 2008, 07:28 PM
SEX, is a three letter word, as JAR or MUG or TUB or WEB or JAT... And at the end of the day what matters is what I do with it.... Yes... I should know what does sex mean really, though the dictionary describes it as :

1. Activities associated with sexual intercourse
2. All of the feelings resulting from the urge to gratify sexual impulses

If I don't know what is the function of a JAR or a MUG, I would use a jar to drink beer and a mug to fill peanuts... and if I dont know about sex, I am sure all of us know what will I do with differents parts associated with it....

Sex education does not concern a PRACTICAL as demanded by some or a homework with padosis...... It concerns with practices which are LEGAL, NATURAL, CLEAN and free of hassles....

yes... I was not taught of it when I was a kid... and I did suffer for this.... had there been no Mastrams... Thanks due to MASTRAM, who had told me beforehand what is the difference between an anal intercourse and a natural intercourse.... I would have had a nightmare with my first intimate encounter with a lady had I not been reading the SASTA SAHITYA which as per our culture should not be read....

Now.. Sasta Shaitya is banned in our culture and there is no source of information for people living in villages (of course some of my dear friends enjoy the luxury of the WEB) however had they not been knowing what is WEB, I am sure they would have doomed the computers with using different commands to launch a browser......

I lived in a village, which was pretty far from any city and adolscents used to enjoy their growing up seasons (pupic hairs and menstrual cycles) with examining each other......

This is not what I expect from a civilized county of tomorrow...... I expect people to know everything GOOD about this act which brings forward the humanity.. had there been no sex, I woukd have not been here writing all this ****.... something so very important to humanity should not be kept in dark...

I vote FOR sex education.......

kannumix
November 1st, 2008, 07:39 PM
bahut mushkil hai jo padhaingai un kai liyai jo padhaingai un kai liyai or jin kai bachai Ghar ja kai puchaingai un sab kai liyai abhi india kai kuch state ki janta sex edu kai liyai tayar nahi hai time lagaiga honi chahiyai lakin time lagaiga abhi

anilsinghd
November 1st, 2008, 09:09 PM
I vote FOR sex education........

Believe me mate , it was a treat to read your post , and people might take the words in your post , but i look for ideologies! :) Thanks for coming out with such a post!

I still cannot forget the inclusion-exclusion principles , and remember somewhere Neelam saying that using the word like "sex" again and again does not mean that you are open minded. I agree. But not using them at all and indicating in dark with words like "home- work " , "padosi" etc also does not amke any sense to me!

I can clearly see two groups emerging , with one shy enough not to use frank words but at the same only seeing the negative aspect of things and the other one which is more frank and is dwelling on the positive effects. :)

dkumars
November 1st, 2008, 09:25 PM
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Believe me mate , it was a treat to read your post , and people might take the words in your post , but i look for ideologies! :) Thanks for coming out with such a post!

I still cannot forget the inclusion-exclusion principles , and remember somewhere Neelam saying that using the word like "sex" again and again does not mean that you are open minded. I agree. But not using them at all and indicating in dark with words like "home- work " , "padosi" etc also does not amke any sense to me!

I can clearly see two groups emerging , with one shy enough not to use frank words but at the same only seeing the negative aspect of things and the other one which is more frank and is dwelling on the positive effects. :)


No one is at fault. This all depends how you are brought u. It's your suroundings which mtters and make you to think that way. Anywy, carry on.

sidchhikara
November 2nd, 2008, 07:09 AM
I guess a course in class 11th or 12th is good enough , there ain't a HELL lot to teach i beleive as Jit said , people are smart enough! :rolleyes:


I don't know, more than half of the total kids dropout before that in India. In some parts of the country - UP, bihar etc., they are married by 11th 12th class and taking practical exams by skipping viva voce.
I think our country needs education as a priority to begin with --- if it has sex-education - all the better.
But then you might ask yourself --- what should be the content matter for it?
I think it should be directed more toward birth-control and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.
The act of sex comes naturally - well mostly !! - most people know what to do with their parts - take that with a grain of salt!
Even if they include sex-education, I donot expect our prudish teachers to do a decent job teaching it. Sex education ke time koi bachcha hans diya to... usko murga bana denge - I think thats a sex position in kamasutra.

gaganjat
November 2nd, 2008, 09:08 AM
there r three ways to educate i can think of:

1. giving them reading material
2. teaching in the class like other subjects
3. just solving the queries of students

in our school we used to ask or write on a piece of paper (without our names) and our teacher used to explain it in a very professional way without overusing terms like' pe**s' 'Ve**a'

As i wrote in my previous post which was deleted , it wasnt of much help as we were in yr 11 and most of the people already know every thing by then.

but i will suggest distributing reading material is the best way. tell them about STD's , hygine , conterceptives. lot of people have an impression that sex education is about teaching sex.

90percent of people oppose sex education because they dont know what they actually teach in it.

And ye i should tell it lay great emphasis on phychologial part of youngsters. especially girls.

sumitteotia
November 2nd, 2008, 10:00 AM
I am confused actually why we people discussing so much about the things which were already covered at the school level.why there is again a question in including sex education in the syllabus if there is already(I know about the convent schools)

If we discuss about the sex then the funda is totally based on the Natural INSTINCT of Human being…
Learned Concept(Non-Instinctive)- Day is safe (“good”) but night is dangerous (“bad”)..this is the right way to behave in order to survive but that is the wrong way to behave in order to survive..etc.Persons know instinctively that there is a heaven and a hell.but is actually a learned (non-instinctive) concept.

While certain instincts drive are different from the other.Sex drive is normal or Natural Instinct. Remember the first people on earth …ADAM and EVE(or take any of the first two human beings of opposite sex on earth)….no one told or teach them about any sex education….but they came across as opposite sex always attracts each other as this is the natural instinct.No one can SPOON FEED u in this. Apart from the basic things, the only help one can get it here to explore more as there are n number of sources available.


I totally agree that SEX education can help in preventing the diseases like HIV/AIDS and many more.
People believe that it will help in controlling the risk of overpopulation. I don’t think so as people can have an eye in and around ur place, even the educated people who has enough knowledge they are not doing any family planning or smthing. The reason is everyone is running behind the baby as a boy..cauz people still have a belief that there should be someone to continue their family values in future. This is the mentality level of the human, there is nothing that they don’t have proper sex knowledge, that’s why they keep on giving births until they get a baby boy.


We are covering enough education regading how the different parts of the body works at our school level(9th or 10th standard,subject:Biology). I know about convent schools that the enough education is provided at school level. And yes if the particular person is really vey interested to explore more knowledge about the subject then he/she always welcome to gain knowledge by meeting the teacher in personnal or through internet if that’s available. I mean the same thing people generally do with other subjects too when they want to explore more.


Here the Q what really matter is how we can provide the sex education to the rural areas where there is no source of such education not even in schools. Here also in some cases media is providing the information to some respect in form of Advertisements through TV or Newspapers.

And also if we want to go in details regarding SEX education in the early school days before 12th standard…then don’t think so it’s a good idea..as it can create bad impact on the indian culture.I don’t want to be in the race of Americans or Europeans where they have had enough knowledge in the early days of their schools or the education transmitted thru society or parents….that they start practising sex in their early school days not even they have passed their college level. Smooching each other on the road side ..blah blah stuffs. Do you want this in INDIA, do anyone want to be so free that they can do French kiss and etc. on road. As these are all inter related things so everything will be impacted if we want to bring SEX education in detail in our early school days.

As there is a time for Everything. when the right time comes people will come to know by theirselves.
But the Focus should be how to provide sex education in villages where there is no source or in schools where not even the basic knowledge about the parts of the body and the different diseases caused by sex stuff.

anilsinghd
November 2nd, 2008, 06:40 PM
I don't know, more than half of the total kids dropout before that in India. In some parts of the country - UP, bihar etc., they are married by 11th 12th class and taking practical exams by skipping viva voce.
I think our country needs education as a priority to begin with --- if it has sex-education - all the better.
But then you might ask yourself --- what should be the content matter for it?
I think it should be directed more toward birth-control and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.
The act of sex comes naturally - well mostly !! - most people know what to do with their parts - take that with a grain of salt!
Even if they include sex-education, I donot expect our prudish teachers to do a decent job teaching it. Sex education ke time koi bachcha hans diya to... usko murga bana denge - I think thats a sex position in kamasutra.

Happy to see some real implementation hurdles being put on the board. :) Appreciate that !




I am confused actually why we people discussing so much about the things which were already covered at the school level.why there is again a question in including sex education in the syllabus if there is already(I know about the convent schools)

If we discuss about the sex then the funda is totally based on the Natural INSTINCT of Human being…
Learned Concept(Non-Instinctive)- Day is safe (“good”) but night is dangerous (“bad”)..this is the right way to behave in order to survive but that is the wrong way to behave in order to survive..etc.Persons know instinctively that there is a heaven and a hell.but is actually a learned (non-instinctive) concept.

While certain instincts drive are different from the other.Sex drive is normal or Natural Instinct. Remember the first people on earth …ADAM and EVE(or take any of the first two human beings of opposite sex on earth)….no one told or teach them about any sex education….but they came across as opposite sex always attracts each other as this is the natural instinct.No one can SPOON FEED u in this. Apart from the basic things, the only help one can get it here to explore more as there are n number of sources available.



Sumit , you really escaped yourself by adding that you are "confused". I find that hilarious by yourself or by any one else the notion that SEX Education meand teaching sex and Kamasutra! Come on people , no body can deny the fact this is one thing which comes naturally. We only wish to focus on things that can prevent bad practises and for that you can refer to other posts of mine!


and regarding your points of affecting culture , road side kissing , etc , e tc , I dont think if at all that would be a bye product in 10 years from now , you can with conviction attribute to the SEX education even if it is implemented. Indians staying abroad who see this daily dont do it , so all the more reason to believe that this would not happen.

And for all the people who are not understanding ( apart from those who do not wish to understand ) , here is the crux of all this , succintly put forward by G Dhillon:"" 90percent of people oppose sex education because they dont know what they actually teach in it. ""

sumitteotia
November 2nd, 2008, 07:24 PM
Sumit , you really escaped yourself by adding that you are "confused". I find that hilarious by yourself or by any one else the notion that SEX Education meand teaching sex and Kamasutra! Come on people , no body can deny the fact this is one thing which comes naturally. We only wish to focus on things that can prevent bad practises and for that you can refer to other posts of mine!

Dear Anil .
i havnt escaped from the state being confused...i just expressed that i dont believe why people are escalating this issue which is being discussed from years....as people are aware....that they are getting enough education in schools about sex(different parts of the body, diseases like HIV/AIDS)....then what people need more ...do someone want to include hw to practise safe sex...do anyone want to have a demonstration or practicals in the schools...



and regarding your points of affecting culture , road side kissing , etc , e tc , I dont think if at all that would be a bye product in 10 years from now ,

Not at all if we indians follow our cultural values we are never going to do those things(smooching not kissing..big difference and other stuffs) in open..not even after 100 yrs from now.....



you can with conviction attribute to the SEX education even if it is implemented. Indians staying abroad who see this daily dont do it , so all the more reason to believe that this would not happen.

they dont do it as they are born and brought up in our culture ..got good education from their grand parents or superiors..



And for all the people who are not understanding ( apart from those who do not wish to understand ) , here is the crux of all this , succintly put forward by G Dhillon:"" 90percent of people oppose sex education because they dont know what they actually teach in it. ""

there are no people who do not wish to understand....the only thing is where 90 percent of the population wants to limit the SEX EDUCATION..they dont want to put a ban on it...just to be sure that the limited education should be provided to the childerens so that there should not be any impact on the indian cultures ..and after they can explore themselves...

Nishantrathi82
November 3rd, 2008, 11:13 AM
Let me throw some light on some of the questions arises when we r talking abt sex education.

->>>>>What sex education means?

In simple words, sex education means "preparing a child for an active sexual life before that child actually involve in it".
Isn't that a proper definition of education? Don't we teach a pilot before asking to fly? Don't we teach an engineer before sending to a workshop?

->>>>>Why sex education is needed?

We learn talking, we learn walking. We try to get good education before coming to perform jobs.We don't let someone do our minor household jobs without knowing it. But surprise we ask people to go for sexual life without knowing it at all. We act like it doesn't even exist. We expect people know it by themselves. How?

->>>>>Is proper sex-education against India Culture? Does it harm Indian Culture?

This excuse is given again and again, whenever there is a talk about Sex and Sexual behaviour.
How educations harm something?
To my understanding, if properly knowing something harms and eradicates some old myths; then myth should go, not the facts and education.
Do I need to remind that we wrote Kamasutra? What is that book other than Sex-Education?
How do we define Indian-Culture? This topic can take long discussion itself.

Well, that’s my personal view, agree or not to agree is up to the individuals. But the bottom line is; knowing something, which we are bound to get into, is logical, beneficial, and good for individuals and society.

pnauhwar21
November 3rd, 2008, 12:57 PM
I guess guys vouching for Sex education are missing a point here even though it has been clearly said by the so-called 90% opposers in earlier posts..No body is denying the importance of Sex education..the point of disagreement is that at what stage the detailed education is needed. The level of education you guys are proposing viz. safe sex, ways to prevent aids, family planning techniques, etc. is needed for mature adults or people planning to marry. You can open education centers for such people wherever you want.

I still don't understand on what basis some of you are proposing the higher level of sex education at school level. Every education has its own time & stage. You don't teach nuclear physics to a 11th class student. He won't be ready for it however intelligent he may be. Similarly, for S..(tired of repeating this word!!!!) education, teach only what is relevant for school kids. Some of the members said that syllabus would cover details about physiological and biological difference of both genders - isn't that already there in our science books of 9th & 10th? What more detailed knowledge do you want to give to school children? In US and other so-called developed countries, this education has become a necessity where every 2nd teenager loses his/her virginity before high school..pls don't let our children and country reach that stage. Its strange, that western countries are trying to learn our good things while we are inculcating their bad things in our society. Be broad-minded and not gross-minded!! Believe me there are much better things in world to teach at schools. Let schools be schools not centers for condom vending and illustrated books of S**.

brahmtewatia
November 3rd, 2008, 03:49 PM
I guess guys vouching for Sex education are missing a point here even though it has been clearly said by the so-called 90% opposers in earlier posts..No body is denying the importance of Sex education..the point of disagreement is that at what stage the detailed education is needed. The level of education you guys are proposing viz. safe sex, ways to prevent aids, family planning techniques, etc. is needed for mature adults or people planning to marry. You can open education centers for such people wherever you want.

I still don't understand on what basis some of you are proposing the higher level of sex education at school level. Every education has its own time & stage. You don't teach nuclear physics to a 11th class student. He won't be ready for it however intelligent he may be. Similarly, for S..(tired of repeating this word!!!!) education, teach only what is relevant for school kids. Some of the members said that syllabus would cover details about physiological and biological difference of both genders - isn't that already there in our science books of 9th & 10th? What more detailed knowledge do you want to give to school children? In US and other so-called developed countries, this education has become a necessity where every 2nd teenager loses his/her virginity before high school..pls don't let our children and country reach that stage. Its strange, that western countries are trying to learn our good things while we are inculcating their bad things in our society. Be broad-minded and not gross-minded!! Believe me there are much better things in world to teach at schools. Let schools be schools not centers for condom vending and illustrated books of S**.

dear prashant,

to me it seems tht you still haven't come out of the euphoria of the very word "sex education"... yr abstinence from the usage of this word is still reflected in yr previous post wch is reminiscent of the typical mindset that has been explained by me in the title post.

since the topic is touching so many issues at the same time, i wud like to concentrate on one particular aspect... i strongly contradict on yr underlined views and your subsequent thoughts, where-in you are suggesting that the necessity of sex education is more for mature adults and not for youngsters. i have touched on this issue in my earlier posts as i feel tht we all are too shy to talk about it to our younger generation. our media is flooded with images which definitely give rise to curious questions... tell me, are we not being hypocrites ? what signal are we sending to the younger generation ? in spite of the rise in the number of abortions in adolescents and reports about pre-marital sex happening, we still turn a blind eye towards it, all under the guise of the so called "indian culture" or its too early or for that matter the youngsters will learn about it at the right time/age.

we have to keep in mind that ignorance and sex are a deadly combination. by avoiding to talk about it, we are in fact leaving them with no option but to discover about it by way of experimentation. it still such a taboo to talk about the subject that many a time parents are shocked to know that their own kid, whom they thought is still too young has already started that experimentation. i do agree that this line of thought of having this education at early stage can have serious implications, but so is also true if it is imparted at a later stage or if the youngsters are kept oblivious about it. for yr information every youngster of right age knows where is/are vending machines, hence yr idea of having it in schools or not makes no sense to me.

i know, you have very strong reasons to be firm on your stand, but again i feel that we should have some common consensus as to what should be the right age? as said by sid, there are a lot of drop-out cases in schools or youngsters getting married at an early age by the time they reach 11th/12th. in my opinion, a bit of education has to be imparted at a very early stage. here the parents can play a very important role... however, upto what level can again be another related issue worth discussing.

sumit did present his point of view very nicely. looking at the complexity of the subject, i am also convinced to a certain extent and i do appreciate his grounds.

sumitsehrawat
November 3rd, 2008, 06:08 PM
So very true!!
This is one big turn-off... that majority of us fake it in the name of our so-called "Indian culture".

P.S.: Good point made.

tell me, are we not being hypocrites ? in spite of the rise in the number of abortions in adolescents and reports about pre-marital sex happening, we still turn a blind eye towards it, all under the guise of the so called "indian culture".

anilsinghd
November 3rd, 2008, 06:21 PM
You can open education centers for such people wherever you want.



By making it such a difficult thing to talk about , what we end up doing is to make people sho damna shy about it that they will never visit these centres , because of the "fear of being laughed at " by the so called 90% opposers.

And trust me , the kind of content that go on our daily TV shows is no good for the preservation of our so called "indian-culture".

As they half knowledge is dangerous ! :) I hope you get my point!

anilsinghd
November 3rd, 2008, 06:24 PM
...just to be sure that the limited education should be provided to the childerens so that there should not be any impact on the indian cultures ..and after they can explore themselves...

Well lets put it succintly in a couple of points:

1) I am not proposing to have two batchmates of opposite sex perform the practicals in front of the group or to make couples and then let them have fun and teach at the same time. ( Please bear for a bit of harshness :) ).

2) I studied in public schools , only paased out in 2002 , I did not know enough. Either i was dumb or there was not enough taught , you can conclude for yourselves! :)

jitendershooda
November 3rd, 2008, 06:57 PM
Well lets put it succintly in a couple of points:

1) I am not proposing to have two batchmates of opposite sex perform the practicals in front of the group or to make couples and then let them have fun and teach at the same time. ( Please bear for a bit of harshness :) ).

:)

Ha ha ha Anil bhai ... tumne yo SEX te kati bichla liya :)... it is really nice to read both side views. Good contribution friends from both sides.

Just to share that Arya Samaji's also oppose this. Any Arya Samaji have any good points in this regard will help. I have also shared this in some other thread few months back where Acharya Baldev ji have opposed it openly and said that this is a sajish of westernisation of our teaching practices.

downtoearth
November 3rd, 2008, 08:41 PM
we are Indians
we live in the great land of bharat, the land of kaamsutra.
hamare yahan SEX nahin hota.
bacche to bhagwan ke "gift" hote hain.
we marry and in a year god blesses us with kids - preferably a son.
parents don't have SEX. so why should the children learn about it?
why should we pollute our children's minds with this nonsense?
we drove the british out of the country 60 years ago. angrez are papis.
they corrupt our women and tell them to study, think independtly, demand respect and equality ! oops !!!

we want the white skin of the angrez. we will spend thousands on creams to become "gori or gora".
we want "gori mems" in bikinis dancing with repulsive-looking boys/men/asses in our pop and filmi videos and pay them more than what our desi dancers earn.
we want to copy their music, films (DVD's zindabad), their clothes and "yo mans !!!" :D
we want their food and will make fun of those who eat curd rice, idlis and chapattis.
we will ape their accents and will fall over each other in welcoming "phoren" return relatives for toblerone chocolates and wine.

BUT SEX??? HOW DARE U !!! :mad::mad::mad:

we will turn off the TV or change the channel if an AIDS or a condom ad airs. jab india mein SEX nahin hota to AIDS kahan se aata?
we will gherao schools and demand chapters on specific organ systems to be deleted. we will punish children who raise their voices against abuse.
arre, how can uncle rape you? you are bad ! rape cannot happen because... INDIANS DON'T HAVE SEX !
we will keep our children in the dark so that they stumble while trying to escape the darkness and hurt themselves. it is the vulgar west that made our children to search for light.
we will allow female foeticide/infanticide, sex-trafficking/cruelty and dowry deaths. they are part of our culture.

SEX EDUCATION... IT IS DIRTY.

i was appalled to learn frm many worthy members at JL tht... SEX is all around, it comes naturally, kids are self-learners. its waste of money and resources, or it’s a sort of showing open-mindedness or showing off etc etc. Ignorance is BLISS, at least for our politicians nd many JATlanders here. jahaan bachhe paida karne ho, wahan ham hindustani sab se aage hein, and when we talk of sex education, all these members are displaying their head-in-the-sand mindset on the issue of sex education, or lack thereof.

knowledge is blasphemy !!! asatyameva Jayate !!!... tht seems to be the mantra here at JATland, as was observed in the other thread on JL that has now been closed for right reasons. i'm reviving this thread since i feel a lot needs to be discussed here. i stay in a country where every 2nd person whom I shake hands is HIV +ve and can feel the importance of SEX EDUCATION. (please note tht when i say every 2nd person, i mean the blacks not the whites).

pls share yr views, as to what you feel about it. i have given an idea as to what i feel about it. more will follow from my side in other posts.






Dear Brahaam (illusion):p…sorry for being late…u identified India as a land of kamasutra but you forgot to mention the land of vedaas too. Still I m not able to understand what people here want to gift children through sex education…the Soft replies from learned people seem that they want to give sex training instead of sex education.., a person who is called the teacher philosopher ,,guru who gives the right direction to the children by telling him the meaning of nation, culture, heritage is not supposed to give the lesson of arousal…are children supposed to keep packs of contraceptives and rubber balloons* in their geometry boxes in the name of sex class materials.?

I m not saying that its bad or dirty…. but do children get basic and proper education here? Its like gifting hungry people a dinner set … it’s a mockery in real sense…

prevention is better than cure my bro.dont teach them how to cure,, teach them how to prevent ..Stopping the children from lightning the fire , people here want them to learn how to save yourself from the burning and if burnt how to apply burnol… give the children a strong character and good morals that they don’t dip their beaks in the red light areas except teaching them how to have a safe sex…
cm on guys don’t be fussy about the thing .it’s a natural process don’t make it larger than life .don’t forget that the results of interference of man with nature are really drastic...

Some people here say that sex education will help in preventing the HIV…people who want to prevent the HIV should launch a campaign for truck drivers who are the main source of transmission of HIV in India

…………………………………………..
A public school is not the right place to throw light on such a issue.. comfort level of female teachers and girls should also be considered. .sex is a quite normal and natural thing, parents should take an initiative to teach their children about good ,bad ,and ugly perspectives of sex… there is no age for sex education…the growth of every child is different…people here who are in favor of sex education and are really impressed by western countries by having it shouldn’t mind if children here in India start loosing the virginity at the age of 14..
Being a two finger typist I m not able to flow an ocean of ink;)…thodey mein jyada samjho….;):rolleyes:

dkumars
November 3rd, 2008, 08:51 PM
Dear Anil .
i havnt escaped from the state being confused...i just expressed that i dont believe why people are escalating this issue which is being discussed from years....as people are aware....that they are getting enough education in schools about sex(different parts of the body, diseases like HIV/AIDS)....then what people need more ...do someone want to include hw to practise safe sex...do anyone want to have a demonstration or practicals in the schools...



Not at all if we indians follow our cultural values we are never going to do those things(smooching not kissing..big difference and other stuffs) in open..not even after 100 yrs from now.....

Dont be overconfident dude. I can show you such kinda movies(in real) right away :)




they dont do it as they are born and brought up in our culture ..got good education from their grand parents or superiors..



If that is our education that it doent qualify for being good. West has their own culture and that's not inferior at all.

sumitsehrawat
November 3rd, 2008, 09:14 PM
Certainly, you have not read the above posts. For sure, you are swimming in an ocean of 'misinterpretation'. I am sorry to know that people don't really read.


prevention is better than cure my bro.dont teach them how to cure,, teach them how to prevent ..Stopping the children from lightning the fire , people here want them to learn how to save yourself from the burning and if burnt how to apply burnol… give the children a strong character and good morals that they don’t dip their beaks in the red light areas except teaching them how to have a safe sex…

Being a two finger typist I m not able to flow an ocean of ink;)…thodey mein jyada samjho….;):rolleyes:

jitendershooda
November 3rd, 2008, 09:35 PM
Dear Brahaam (illusion):p…sorry for being late…u identified India as a land of kamasutra but you forgot to mention the land of vedaas too.

prevention is better than cure my bro.dont teach them how to cure,, teach them how to prevent ..Stopping the children from lightning the fire , people here want them to learn how to save yourself from the burning and if burnt how to apply burnol… give the children a strong character and good morals that they don’t dip their beaks in the red light areas except teaching them how to have a safe sex…


Bhai Rupi sara likhya aud bera na kukar mit-gya ... hatke likhna pad rahya hai .... :mad:

You have written good with two anglees :) even.

WhoEver is talking about Kamasutra should talk about the age and method those teaching were given in ancient india.
I have read that the Khajuraho temple was built by rajas to teach the students who completed their studies and were going into grahasth ashram of their lives.

That pattern was undoubtedly the best for studies.

Par Saval ye hai ki kya aaj ke mahol mein ye sambhav hai. Balak 3ri class mein to girlfriend boyfriend khelan lag jyan hein. Ek be ki baat se ek ke ghar ja rahya tha ... chotte balak jama ... tv dekhein they ... nue kahe ek dekhiye eeb yo iski kiss karega. ha ha ... subah akhbar dekho ... tv mein chahe news dekh lyo ... school environment ..... kya ye sab vaisa hi hai jaisa uss kaal mein tha? Kya iss terah ke environment mein sanyam sikhsha ho sakti hai? Kya ye un bachon par tanav ka karan nahi hai ... ki ek taraf to unke arousal kee chejen aur doosri taraf hum uneh control sikha rahe hein?

If we want to have sanyam sikhsha dont we have to overhaul the complete system?

Bhai Rupi ... prevention is better than cure but for that we have to rectify the environment isnt it?... which we are not doing in India.

We as a nation doesnt know where we are going .... Prashant has rightly said that these nations are adopting our goods and we are running blindly after them. Whether it is Veds, life style, teaching practices, aurved etc etc.

to aise mein mujhey to sirf do hi raste najar aate hein ...
1) Either provide children good environment.
Or
2) Or provide them knowledge of safety measures.

Inn balkan ne ke kime kasoor kar rakhya se ek lalchae jao er chod dyo ineh apne andh prayogon par jaisa Shobhit ne kaha. Ya to vatavaran aisa ho ki inke dimag mein bhatkav ki sthiti itni aae ki shiksha se usse disha de ja sake ... anaytha ... ineh ye Shiksha bhi dein.

anilsinghd
November 4th, 2008, 01:48 AM
Certainly, you have not read the above posts. For sure, you are swimming in an ocean of 'misinterpretation'. I am sorry to know that people don't really read.

Agreed whole heartedly and what is even more apalling is that people try to rage emotions and sentiments ( by hiding behind our ancient culture ) and substantiating their points by preaching : 1) For sex education guys want to teach kamasutra 2) For sex education guys want to get guys to play with the baloons !

Tell me where has this been mentioned and i will stop my arguments ! :confused:

Come on guys this is not Obama v Mcain , where you got to prove the other wrong else you dont get the votes.

A well designed , properly thought , well instructed course on the subject can do a lot of good. And as you know , stage shyness does not go till u board the stage , so is the case with it , unless you clear the confusions , myths will prevail and the half knowledge , half dont know state is the most dangerous , because it is the curiosity that kills! :)

( Now shout on me for the analogy of the stage and jump to conclusions that i am advocating live practical sessions ( yes , those which your mind is cooking ) , You know what , that would be another live example of the term Sumit used " MISINTERPRETATION ").


PS: I do not understand why people take part in discussions without reading the thread with some concentration , is it just for the sake of arguing ?:confused:

downtoearth
November 4th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Certainly, you have not read the above posts. For sure, you are swimming in an ocean of 'misinterpretation'. I am sorry to know that people don't really read. certainly yes the ocean of `Misinterpretation`is made by the rivers of knowledge and different thoughts.where many rivers merge together is called ocean of misinterpretation.but the only best swimmer can dive and can bring a pearl from the bottom of this black ocean....;)...

sumitsehrawat
November 4th, 2008, 08:40 PM
All the best, brother:)!

certainly yes the ocean of `Misinterpretation`is made by the rivers of knowledge and different thoughts.where many rivers merge together is called ocean of misinterpretation.but the only best swimmer can dive and can bring a pearl from the bottom of this black ocean....;)...

sumitteotia
November 5th, 2008, 01:55 AM
Sex Education is really needed to the guys here...otherwise everything will be discussed out here itself in the thread regarding SEX ..even one can write a BOOK on SEX education after going thru this thread :cool:....also now i came to know the importance of this Education..agar school mein hi pada di gayi hoti to aaj yeh dn na dekne padte :p(for those jinke schoolo mein nahi padai.. the so called "SEX EDUCATION")..:)....

devdahiya
November 5th, 2008, 07:10 AM
SEX EDUCATION DEFINED BY MEDICAL DICTIONARY:


"Education about human sexual anatomy, reproduction, and intercourse and other human sexual behavior."


This should clear lots of doubts of some members as to what this ghost is all about.

brahmtewatia
November 5th, 2008, 11:42 AM
dear rupendera, under yr profile i see:
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: gurgaon haryana india
Posts: 1,779
however, i never saw you involve in any discussion during my previous 6 months of active stay at JL... i say so, cos i keep a close eye on those who have +500/+1000 posts to their credit, which in my opinion deserve a special recognition. :) (i will be raising this issue later in another thread) i m glad, that i made you jump in this never ending rhetoric, and hope that somewhere we'll converge on our thoughts, until you listen with open and adaptive mind as i try to make you prakashit and also help you in coming out of me... i mean bhram :p.

as pointed out by sumit and anil above, and wisely explained by jitender... it seems that you have already misinterpreted the whole concept of the discussion. i guess, i don't have to reply specifically and point-wise but would surely advise you to go through each and every post on the thread. you'll realize, of which i'm 100% confident that all your views/observations have already been answered. let me try to reason you out on issues that still remain unanswered in your previous post.


prevention is better than cure my bro.dont teach them how to cure,, teach them how to prevent.
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Some people here say that sex education will help in preventing the HIV…people who want to prevent the HIV should launch a campaign for truck drivers who are the main source of transmission of HIV in India

YES, sex-education will definitely help in preventing AIDS... are you aware that more then 50 per cent of AIDS victims all over the world, including india, belong to the age group of 15 to 24. in india there are no real statistics available, you are blaming these truck drivers, but why didn't you mentioned as to where they are going? obviously they are not forcibly sneaking into someone's house. pinpointing the reasons, will add another dimension to the thread, which obviously is not the subject we are talking off. my dear, in my previous post i'm only talking of prevention, not the cure. sex education does not represent a betrayal of cultural values, it does not encourage promiscuity and by no means it is obscene. but saying "no" on one pretext or other won’t help anyone. just have a look at this and tell me where are we heading ?
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A recent study in Mumbai revealed that 64 per cent of boys in the age group of 14 to 19 had one or more sexual encounters. Out of them, 43 per cent had visited homes of disrepute to fulfil their desires. In Chandigarh, too, a study came up with similarly alarming figures. A more authoritative Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) study recorded 36,700 teenage abortions in Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata and Bangalore in one year. This is only a fraction of the actual teenage abortions carried out by quacks and in private clinics. p.s. : on my earlier statement "i will be raising this issue later in another thread" i guess above post # 48 also needs to be addressed.

brahmtewatia
November 5th, 2008, 11:46 AM
SEX EDUCATION DEFINED BY MEDICAL DICTIONARY:

"Education about human sexual anatomy, reproduction, and intercourse and other human sexual behavior."

This should clear lots of doubts of some members as to what this ghost is all about.
this also should be noted...
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"The national curriculum should focus on cultivating a proper understanding of and attitude towards healthy sex-related issues with special focus on teenage pregnancies, drug addiction and adolescence education."
—Recommendations of the National Curriculum Framework 2000, announced during M.M. Joshi's tenure as Union HRD minister

Nishantrathi82
November 5th, 2008, 12:34 PM
this also should be noted...
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Some more facts-

In India, about 86 percent of HIV infections occur through sexual intercourse, one key reason being that migrant workers in cities visit prostitutes and infect their wives when they return home.

An India Today poll revealed one in four Indian women between 18 and 30 in 11 cities had sex before marriage. One in three said she was open to having a sexual relationship even if she was not in love.

Last year, India became the country with the highest number of HIV-positive people, with an estimated 5.7 million cases.

And i beleive most of us has been visited to our old temples where explicit sex acts are celebrated in ancient temple architecture.
But at home, mothers hesitate to talk to daughters about something as simple as menstruation, and even the basics of the human reproductive system are taught with much embarrassment in schools. Isin't strange?

This kind of teaching was not necessary 10-15 years ago. But now India is merging more and more with Western cultures, there is easy access to Western culture through cable television. Teenagers see characters having extra-marital affairs and women in seduction roles, and they want to experiment, too. So we can also say that real problem is with the soaps - these are against Indian culture :D not the sex education, which really represents the solution.

pnauhwar21
November 5th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Ok ..here are the ideal topics to be taught to school children from one of the 90% opposer of "Sex Education"

Subject - Moral Science / Social Studies

1) The ills of having sex at young age as well as without marriage
2) Both moral and physical implications of involving in such acts even if done 'safely'
3) Ways to avoid such advances from either gender
4) Guiding them to focus their energy on things in life which are more appropriate for their age
5) Don't tell them about ways to have safe Sex just because there are instances of teen pregnancies which as per some learned people could be avoided if this knowledge was given to children at younger age. Rather, tell them not to indulge in 'Sexual activities' at all at their age unless of course they are children of 'Broad-minded', 'practical', 'westernized', bearers of true indian culture of 'Kamasutra' and 'Khajuraho', as for those children, Safe sex is perfectly valid and practical in current society structure of India.

I am all ears for a comprehensive list of topics to be taught from the 10% evolved generation for their favorite subject 'Sex Education'. And please don't start with 'Understanding body parts' - its already taught as part of biology. Hope answers will be to-the-point instead of big paragraphs of repeated explanations.

pdpbeniwal
November 5th, 2008, 02:49 PM
I guess guys vouching for Sex education are missing a point here even though it has been clearly said by the so-called 90% opposers in earlier posts..No body is denying the importance of Sex education..the point of disagreement is that at what stage the detailed education is needed. The level of education you guys are proposing viz. safe sex, ways to prevent aids, family planning techniques, etc. is needed for mature adults or people planning to marry. You can open education centers for such people wherever you want.

I still don't understand on what basis some of you are proposing the higher level of sex education at school level. Every education has its own time & stage. You don't teach nuclear physics to a 11th class student. He won't be ready for it however intelligent he may be. Similarly, for S..(tired of repeating this word!!!!) education, teach only what is relevant for school kids. Some of the members said that syllabus would cover details about physiological and biological difference of both genders - isn't that already there in our science books of 9th & 10th? What more detailed knowledge do you want to give to school children? In US and other so-called developed countries, this education has become a necessity where every 2nd teenager loses his/her virginity before high school..pls don't let our children and country reach that stage. Its strange, that western countries are trying to learn our good things while we are inculcating their bad things in our society. Be broad-minded and not gross-minded!! Believe me there are much better things in world to teach at schools. Let schools be schools not centers for condom vending and illustrated books of S**.

I'm going to read your views from end to start and throw some arguments....Who is asking to install vending machines at schools??...Only advice to visit these machines is supposed to given ....Who is asking to do research on SEX so that illustrated books will be required ???....Okay I do agree there could be better things in world to teach at schools but what is so wrong with sex education that it is losing its stand in your list of better things......Broad-mindedness only says that don't take word SEX as a taboo......We are not very far from the statistic of a teenager losing his/her virginity of that Western countries.....Do you want to the situation to first reach its peak and then as it would become necessity(as it has become for western countries going by your words) to provide sex education then only we will wake up....I have also gone through the science books of 9-10th depicting physiological and biological differences of both genders but that is not sufficient...There are others things also which need to be taught...Before getting a fact one has to listen to a lots of myths....Students in 9-10 class can indulge in sexual activities but it's not a right time to teach them about it...it's very funny!!!.....Mr. don't compare nuclear physics with sex education anyway....Sex education can be given to a illiterate person also and he will get all out of it...But you can't think of teaching nuclear physics to the same...
.....Do you think keeping broad-mindedness of your degree it is feasible to open education center everywhere for adults???...and again if opened would people visit them freely???.....Even if we assume education centers have been opened where is an answer to the question 'teenage corruption' ?? ....Sex education is not only to be meant for the adults but teenagers must also be incorporated into its domain.....I don't want to again jot down the teenage issues which are a prime concern today......

downtoearth
November 8th, 2008, 08:31 PM
dear rupendera, under yr profile i see:

however, i never saw you i) i m glad, that i made you jump in this never ending rhetoric, and hope that somewhere we'll converge on our thoughts, until you listen with open and adaptive mind as i try to make you prakashit and also help you in coming out of me... i mean bhram :p.


ming these truck drivers, but why didn't you mentioned as to where they are going? obviously they are not forcibly sneaking into someone's house. pin. Bharam saab thanx for visiting my profile and I really appreciate that u really want to throw prakash on me with your never fusing torch (thoughts).u seem to be a pole star for a sailor in the storm..;)

If there are rats in the house then getting a Cat isn’t the only and right option, there are many other options…;)one thing is very much crystal clear that people here who support the sex education are also doubtful. if its not like that then a thread wouldn’t have been started over such an issue..

If there is any misinterpretation in the thread then the rope of misinterpretation is between the two hands….:p
Bhai saab, any concept depends on the mindset of the people. Do you think that the mindset here can adopt or can digest the concept of sex education? The problem lies in us only, in every case we compare our selves with westerns yo yo man…I still remember some lines of sumit dahiya (one old member of jl ) that Indians`ll always have a craze for 8 lane highways and blondes..;):p

I really don’t understand for which schools this sex education is made? Sex education should b applied in govt schools, where there is no drinking water, no electricity, no sitting shelter, no books no teachers??? If this education is made for public schools then many MMS are already there…:p
Where a simple education is dying, how this S** education can survive?:cool:

shivamchaudhary
November 8th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Are we talking on the same topic, the thread is started. By the way there is a new Teacher in the Town who can teach anything.. I mean anything.. You can say it is some kind of "devta of knowledge"

---The Google Search---

if someone wants to learn, really, there will be no hurdle.

But this is social responsibility that our new generation should not be confused with anything.
There are so many best ways, It your wish, which way you choose for yours pupils..
:)

Samarkadian
November 9th, 2008, 07:29 AM
Guys,


Why there is sex? rather Sexes?


In a few Dominican villages, some families carry a gene that leaves newborn boys with undescended testicles and a stunted penis resembling a clitoris. They are raised as girls until puberty, when the new rush of androgens gives them normal male genitals and a masculine body, complete with facial hair. The villagers call them guevedoces: "eggs [or balls]-at-12." :mad: The child switches genders, wears male clothing, begins to date, and turns into a normal man; all ready to take his natural role due to panick attacks in testicles and with a teaspoon of semen this child becomes intensely sexual jealous creature of entire animal kingdom[:boxing] ; without any sort of fuss or trauma. Gender identity comes either from the effects of hormones on the brain or from the way people are treated as adults, or both.

Balls-at-12 is just one of the fascinating discoveries brought in to to light by Deborah Blum's excellent book ''Sex on the Brain: The Biological Differences Between Men and Women''. This is the reale everything you always wanted to know about Sex (or The Sexes). So when you guys send your recommendations about Sex Education in India to our Honourable Minister of Human Resources Mr Arjun Singh[:p], please do not forget to mention this basic book.I hope author who has spent so many years on this subject would owe rest of his life to the courage put forwarded by the cream of intellectuals from JL who are sexier than sex[or sexes] in their existence and creative thinking.:cool:

Good luck for more and more 'manthan/chintan' on this subject. :D

pnauhwar21
November 11th, 2008, 09:20 AM
Ie to teach them about it...it's very funny!!!.....Mr. don't compare nuclear physics with sex education anyway....Sex education can be given to a illiterate person also and he will get all out of it...But you can't think of teaching nuclear physics to the same...
.....Do you think keeping broad-mindedness of your degree it is feasible to open education center everywhere for adults???...and again if opened would people visit them freely???.....Even if we assume education centers have been opened where is an answer to the question 'teenage corruption' ?? ....Sex education is not only to be meant for the adults but teenagers must also be incorporated into its domain.....I don't want to again jot down the teenage issues which are a prime concern today......

Pradeep bhai..bas ek baat ka jawab de do..Hypothetical question hai and don't take it as a personal question..couldn't find any other way to put it :

Suppose you have a daughter..paal pos ke badi hui..9th class mein pahunchi..now would you teach her 'How to have safe sex', 'What are the reproductive functions of male/female organs in detail' and what kind of sexual diseases can happen if she indulges in unsafe sex' or would you rather teach her about moral values by not indulging in these activities, not loosing her virginity before marriage, not aping wild west blindly.

Please don't answer just to win an argument. If you (and those 10% evolved fellow members) still believe the answer is the ones highlighted in bold, then no further discussion from my side. I guess we will just have to accept, everyone has their own way of thinking and ways to raise their children. I for one, am still conservative in my thinking on this topic if you want to label it as that.

For those in India, watch Maury show, Jerry Springer show(pretty famous in US) - you may find them in youtube..when you are a third party, they are fun to watch but consider seeing same culture and problems in our kids 10-15 years from now and you will feel the pain (hopefully!!!).

sidchhikara
November 11th, 2008, 01:26 PM
all ready to take his natural role due to panick attacks in testicles and with a teaspoon of semen this child becomes intensely sexual jealous creature of entire animal kingdom[:boxing] ;

I have never heard or read those words in that sequence in a sentence.
That is hilarious !!
Panic attack in the testicles........ hahahahahahahaha !!

sachinb
November 11th, 2008, 01:45 PM
yahaan par the maamla kuchh jyaada hi details ki taraf badh raha hai:rock

dat jaao bhaiyio dat jao:tamatar

pdpbeniwal
November 11th, 2008, 02:19 PM
Pradeep bhai..bas ek baat ka jawab de do..Hypothetical question hai and don't take it as a personal question..couldn't find any other way to put it :

Suppose you have a daughter..paal pos ke badi hui..9th class mein pahunchi..now would you teach her 'How to have safe sex', 'What are the reproductive functions of male/female organs in detail' and what kind of sexual diseases can happen if she indulges in unsafe sex' or would you rather teach her about moral values by not indulging in these activities, not loosing her virginity before marriage, not aping wild west blindly.

Please don't answer just to win an argument. If you (and those 10% evolved fellow members) still believe the answer is the ones highlighted in bold, then no further discussion from my side. I guess we will just have to accept, everyone has their own way of thinking and ways to raise their children. I for one, am still conservative in my thinking on this topic if you want to label it as that.

For those in India, watch Maury show, Jerry Springer show(pretty famous in US) - you may find them in youtube..when you are a third party, they are fun to watch but consider seeing same culture and problems in our kids 10-15 years from now and you will feel the pain (hopefully!!!).

Dear nauhwar saab,
Very obviously, a father wouldn't be able to discuss these issues with his teenage children.... This even does not happen in Western culture...They do also pay respect to blood-relations.... These all yours concerns arise when sanctity of blood-relations comes into picture.

But a teacher in school stays far away from all these concerns......A teacher takes whole class as single entity as his/her profession calls....And there is nothing morally wrong with having sex.....All that makes discuss sex
so disgusting is only vulgar way of depicting it.....If things are put in scientific language then there would be no problem for a teacher interacting the class....

I do still remember when I was in 9th class in a co-education school how decently our Science Sir covered the whole chapter of reproduction...There was not any sort of chaos at all....Even if you go beyond that chapter....Things will be manageable....

Keeping the conservative nature of parents into consideration, separate programs can be held for both boys and girls....Same sex,as of each group, teacher may be deputized....

Leaving teenagers without sex education is not a prudent solution just to reinforce ourselves conservative nature....Take whatever measures necessary to maintain sanctity of relationships....Don't raise doubts over importance of sex-education.....Only the ways to dispense it need to be figured out...

Nishantrathi82
November 11th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Pradeep bhai..bas ek baat ka jawab de do..Hypothetical question hai and don't take it as a personal question..couldn't find any other way to put it :

Suppose you have a daughter..paal pos ke badi hui..9th class mein pahunchi..now would you teach her 'How to have safe sex', 'What are the reproductive functions of male/female organs in detail' and what kind of sexual diseases can happen if she indulges in unsafe sex' or would you rather teach her about moral values by not indulging in these activities, not loosing her virginity before marriage, not aping wild west blindly.

Please don't answer just to win an argument. If you (and those 10% evolved fellow members) still believe the answer is the ones highlighted in bold, then no further discussion from my side. I guess we will just have to accept, everyone has their own way of thinking and ways to raise their children. I for one, am still conservative in my thinking on this topic if you want to label it as that.

For those in India, watch Maury show, Jerry Springer show(pretty famous in US) - you may find them in youtube..when you are a third party, they are fun to watch but consider seeing same culture and problems in our kids 10-15 years from now and you will feel the pain (hopefully!!!).


Prashant bhai if this is case then one should not send his child to school also. Bhai there r certain things which has to be tought by a teacher and some must be by parents.

sachinb
November 11th, 2008, 03:22 PM
Bilkul sahi kaha Nishant ne.

If parents and children share the blood relations,,,with the same analogy we can say that same concern can be between Teacher-Student also,,,,,Guru-Shishya parampara(tradition),,,,

its all about explaining things in right manner be it parents or be it teachers,,,,,,,


Prashant bhai if this is case then one should not send his child to school also. Bhai there r certain things which has to be tought by a teacher and some must be by parents.

pnauhwar21
November 12th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Bhai Nishant and Pradeep - when I said 'would You teach her', it didn't mean literally as in you being a father teaching your daughter but rather would you let her have that knowledge through whatever means.

I rest my case now..ek hi topic pe isase jyada discussion sehat ke liye haanikaark siddh ho sakta hai !! I sincerely hope we don't have to watch Indian versions of Jerry Springer & Maury shows few years from now...

pdpbeniwal
November 12th, 2008, 08:19 AM
Bhai Nishant and Pradeep - when I said 'would You teach her', it didn't mean literally as in you being a father teaching your daughter but rather would you let her have that knowledge through whatever means.

I rest my case now..ek hi topic pe isase jyada discussion sehat ke liye haanikaark siddh ho sakta hai !! I sincerely hope we don't have to watch Indian versions of Jerry Springer & Maury shows few years from now...

Prashant Bhai.....I only used 'father' just to make answer to yours hypothetical situation .....It literally didn't imply to a father....I used a very broad term there named 'blood-relation'...And yes, she should be let to have that knowledge through whatever medium....
.....Chalo hum bhi rest lete hai aapke saath saath......And I hope your hope will stay alive for a few years....But I'm afraid too your hope may not last after that......But anyway sex education won't be responsible for that....Sex education has got nothing to do with culture corruption....Culprits of culture corruption are others factors trapping us in on day by day basis...

choudharyneelam
November 12th, 2008, 05:19 PM
we are Indians
we live in the great land of bharat, the land of kaamsutra.


Similar are my wordings as you wrote the complete post....but still few points I would like to argue here

India is not only known just for kamasutra….many other things that could be related to it but calling it land of kamasutra is unacceptable as it’s a part of it.




we will turn off the TV or change the channel if an AIDS or a condom ad airs.

pls share yr views, as to what you feel about it. i have given an idea as to what i feel about it. more will follow from my side in other posts.


Second thing…..Parenst turn off the tv or they change the channel whenever they watch any advt. or scene that cannot be watched commonly at same time as age and understanding level must be considered. As a girl child , though I’m very open to debate at many topics when these are discussed with some purpose (age does not matter for me at that time), but when I’m sitting with family to share the leisure time then I pay respect to the kind of relationship my parents share and I myself change the channel so that they don’t feel uneasy. Parents were brought-up in different environment but then they provided us different environment and feels very proud when they find me openly speaking on particular topic. Yahan baat adab ki aati hai…..openness should be there but not too much that parents find it uneasy to watch the programmes with children . Jaroori nahin ki parents sab kuchh saath baith kar dekhein to hi bacchon ko accha samjha paayenge…..My parents are restricted kind but then try to make me understand many things the way they can. Its upto me how I’ve to take it rather than asking parents each and every time to be more frank with me so that I can see the exact picture.

Sabse sharm ki baat to tab hoti hai…jab girls of my age make the fun of this topic.

I was asked by one of my Sir to write an article on the same for the magazine and it was submitted to him then whereas other girls were writing jokes, stories, philosophies, poetry, etc. When other girls came to know about it then their expression was…..hmmm(with raised eyebrows)….Neelam hi likh sakti hai itna daring….now I just wonder ki logon ki limited soch kab badlegi….aisi soch rakhne waale to sex education ko galat hi maanenge. All so rubbish.

Maine bas yahi notice kiya ki ladkiyan qualification wise to acchi hoti jaa rahi hain lekin jab soch ki baat aati hai to wahi limited kind. Aur ulte tareeke ke kapde, do chaar style maarke apne aap ko open kind batate hain.

This time I just wanted to put my argument on the two things that I explained above. About Sex Education I already had expressed my opinions, somewhere at other thread.

padamarambabal
November 12th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Yes there should be such awarness in this education but there should be proper method for it
i thing mom of that child (girl can teach) and for boys it can compulsory in school
for girls the lady teacher should there and teach all physical changes and moralty of socity also

choudharyneelam
November 12th, 2008, 06:52 PM
What I feel is that, many basic things are included in physical education which I studied as a part of my 11th and 12th syllabus. Some of the important topics discussed in that includes:

Understanding physical education
Importance of health though sports and physical efforts
Physical and harmonal changes in both genders
Need of sports or physical education at different stages of life
Family planning
Importance of physical education and sports
etc. etc.

If one go through these topics then he/she will find that these also include something related to sex education but it might not be conveyed properly to all and that's why need for such education is required in more systematic manner. In govt. schools the same subject is taught even at the middle class but only playing sports is given full consideration.

Its true that "Healthy Mind Resides In Healthy Body"
....but sometimes to develop a better healthy understanding one need to teach more like a science teacher has to teach more through experiments in lab and social science teacher by creating same situations like lok sabha/parliament to make the students understand the working of the same. Maps shown to students to teach where the particular place stands what he/she is telling through bookish words.......but don't take my words other way saying ki sex education need to be shown practical as some person said it at other thread......its not necessary bilkul waise hi jaise ki social science teacher bina hume Kashmir ghumaye ye batati hain ki that place is at the top of the India's Map and the most beautiful surrounded by beautiful hills, etc. For that detail we ourselves have to move around and explore the place as described by the teacher in class, may be far better than she could. Kashmir jaake ghoomna means getting little knowledge about its worst political disturbances but that doesn't mean that one should get involved with the bad thing to understand it in detail.

So, what way a person takes any issuse or doubt is all upto one's attitude apart from his/her learnings through different means. Teachings must go on, to mould the delicate brain/ emotions in the right and exact direction. :)

brahmtewatia
November 13th, 2008, 11:16 AM
Bharam saab thanx for visiting my profile and I really appreciate that u really want to throw prakash on me with your never fusing torch (thoughts).u seem to be a pole star for a sailor in the storm..;)

If there are rats in the house then getting a Cat isn’t the only and right option, there are many other options…;)one thing is very much crystal clear that people here who support the sex education are also doubtful. if its not like that then a thread wouldn’t have been started over such an issue..

If there is any misinterpretation in the thread then the rope of misinterpretation is between the two hands….:p
Bhai saab, any concept depends on the mindset of the people. Do you think that the mindset here can adopt or can digest the concept of sex education? The problem lies in us only, in every case we compare our selves with westerns yo yo man…I still remember some lines of sumit dahiya (one old member of jl ) that Indians`ll always have a craze for 8 lane highways and blondes..;):p

I really don’t understand for which schools this sex education is made? Sex education should b applied in govt schools, where there is no drinking water, no electricity, no sitting shelter, no books no teachers??? If this education is made for public schools then many MMS are already there…:p
Where a simple education is dying, how this S** education can survive?:cool:

@ rupendera (also prashant)

dear, i am pleased to see a sense of subtlety in yr previous reply... to be honest on my stand, I too share the same apprehensions to quite an extent. i know for sure that this is a herculean task and may not see the dawn of light in the near future... that is the reason i left the subject wide open... i mean we don't have to necessarily discuss the issue only vis-a-vis imparting sex-education in schools. all i have asked in the thread is how shall we go about it. as rightly said by you, all the supporters, including me are also somewhere confused as to how and where and in what way shall we bring it to the knowledge of our youngsters, which in my opinion is very much imperative and is the CALL OF THE DAY. we all know our social stigmas and taboos. we all are well aware of our limitations and the bureaucracy and are part of a society where most of the populace is still living in stone age. mere undar koi surkhaab ke par nahin lage huey hein, neither do i belong to a vry mod outspoken family... however we, being the elite class of a particular community can surely discuss and share our opinion(s) on the issue which is as hot as the word goes. the idea is to bring forth finer nuances on the issue and give it a meaningful substance/outcome.

on your words… if you can compare your/our selves with westerns yo yo man and have a craze for 8 lane highways and blondes then why cant we talk like an extrovert and not to run away from this formidable and challenging issue. so please don't have a feeling that you are a lone sailor in the storm... and to quote you in your words, i would say that "if there are rats in the house then having a cat can be one of the most prudent options, if not the only one"... hope you'll surely agree on this. :)

Let me quote you few lines, earlier also quoted on another thread…

"what we call the beginning is often the end, and to make an end is to make a beginning. the end is where we start from"
"in every phenomenon the beginning remains always the most notable moment".

brahmtewatia
November 14th, 2008, 12:10 PM
Pradeep bhai..bas ek baat ka jawab de do..Hypothetical question hai and don't take it as a personal question..couldn't find any other way to put it :

Suppose you have a daughter..paal pos ke badi hui..9th class mein pahunchi..now would you teach her 'How to have safe sex', 'What are the reproductive functions of male/female organs in detail' and what kind of sexual diseases can happen if she indulges in unsafe sex' or would you rather teach her about moral values by not indulging in these activities, not loosing her virginity before marriage, not aping wild west blindly.

Please don't answer just to win an argument. If you (and those 10% evolved fellow members) still believe the answer is the ones highlighted in bold, then no further discussion from my side. I guess we will just have to accept, everyone has their own way of thinking and ways to raise their children. I for one, am still conservative in my thinking on this topic if you want to label it as that.
“to be an extrovert, outspoken and being straight forward in your actions and thoughts” is one big thing i learnt from the “goras” in this part of sub-saharan africa from my past 10 years of existence… and believe me, i’ve successfully applied these traits in my personality. i never feel shy to express myself, be it my words or my actions… honestly to have this in you is a different mindset all together which is very much different from our (Indian) upbringing and i’m glad, my son is on my exact footsteps… long way to go !!!

prashant, with due regard to your thoughts... i'll try in my attempt to give a proper reason to your hypothetical question… I wud say “YES” I wud surely like to give this to my son… i’ve no daughter, but even if i had one, i’m sure my wife wouldn’t have left no stone unturned in addressing the issue to her in the most meaningful way, very obviously within the confines of decency and taking care of all her comfort levels. pradeep has given a very nice explanation to deal with the issue while maintaining the sanctity of relationships, however he left the bigger onus on teachers… no problem with that as this can be one of the most appropriate and THE BEST solution. at the same time a bigger task lie ahead of parents, they have to ensure a reasonable level of openness right from very beginning while handling such a trivial issue… upto what levels is again a personal perspective that has to take care of necessary comfort level of the siblings. (explained above). share and discuss it with yr child, it will help them at each and every step in the long run… remember parents are the best teachers... it reminds me of a very nice quote i read some time back…

I am the Child. All the world waits for my coming. All the earth watches with interest to see what I shall become. Civilization hangs in the balance, for what I am, the world of tomorrow will be. I am the Child. You hold in your hand my destiny. You determine, largely, whether I shall succeed or fail. Give me, I pray you, those things that make for happiness. Train me, I beg you, that I may be a blessing to the World. – Mamie Gene Colehe(she) is tomorrow… he(she) is the future we are working for… he(she) is part of the world’s most important generation. our generation must love them and win his(her) generation. his(her) generation in turn will determine whether it was worth doing.

i’ll try (if i can) to bring few lessons, being a part of sex-education program that is prevailing in this part of the world… i’ve asked my friends having elder siblings, to give those lessons to me… watch out !!!... to be continued !!!

ssgoyat
November 14th, 2008, 08:21 PM
YES
Definately
100 % Agreed


The number of teenagers and young unmarried women going for abortions has risen sharply in India..

What is more scary is that unprotected sex can often expose the girl to HIV infection, other sexually-transmitted diseases, and complications later


On the other hand:
The abortion rate in the United States has hit a 30-year low, with the decline particularly marked among teens, who once had the highest rate of abortion.

.....................

Now please don't debate, that we (the one's saying YES), want to promote (safe) SEX otherwise..

Give it a thought..

sidchhikara
November 15th, 2008, 12:00 AM
What I feel is that, many basic things are included in physical education which I studied as a part of my 11th and 12th syllabus. Some of the important topics discussed in that includes:

Understanding physical education
Importance of health though sports and physical efforts
Physical and harmonal changes in both genders
Need of sports or physical education at different stages of life
Family planning
Importance of physical education and sports
etc. etc.



I graduated from Senior Secondary school, my PTI did not teach me about sex.
Are you sure it was part of syllabus?

Maybe your PTI was a little Rangeela. He had a different perspective on push-ups!

anilsinghd
November 15th, 2008, 01:57 AM
What I feel is that, many basic things are included in physical education which I studied as a part of my 11th and 12th syllabus. Some of the important topics discussed in that includes:

:)

Damn !!! And i still remember my PTI asking us to write those stupid histories of basketball , volleyball and draw diagrams !

nothing close to waht you are telling :(

choudharyneelam
November 15th, 2008, 08:00 PM
I graduated from Senior Secondary school, my PTI did not teach me about sex.
Are you sure it was part of syllabus?

Maybe your PTI was a little Rangeela. He had a different perspective on push-ups!

Dear, first of all expand your horizons of thoughts....what sex education is all about......what all we study through different subjects are always inter-linked in one or the other way to provide us almost complete education.

maths, social science, language, general science etc. had given us all a new stream of commerce after some recommendations....same way this sex education comes from...so, better develop thoughts beyond inter-course of sex.....a kid also learns a little about sex education without even knowing the ABC of inter-course and related things.

And please,....it seems you never paid any regards to your teachers but I care about that a lot with great respect for all as none of my teachers till now responded like you showing the silly and unappealing attitude. :rolleyes:

choudharyneelam
November 15th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Damn !!! And i still remember my PTI asking us to write those stupid histories of basketball , volleyball and draw diagrams !

:(

Even we all were asked the same things to do....but as I had gone through the book and its syllabus, that's why I had added one line in my response that....it might not be provided in the exact manner and that's why another need/requirement has taken place that revolving around sex education.

annch
November 15th, 2008, 10:37 PM
Brahm ji, a query-Can sex education be formalized and contained in a few lessons at a particular age? It has so many aspects of behavioural science that on its own, it would be ineffective in serving its purpose. However, I do agree with you that it would be a good step in the right direction.
In an ideal situation, its the parents who introduce the kids ( as you said earlier) to be a responsible person in all the aspects of life including interaction with the opposite gender. At school, as in the western world, it would be nice to have counsellors, or teachers who would be comfortable enough to answer the doubts and questions of the students, beyond the textbooks.
A wise man learns from other people's mistakes, before the problem has hit our home....i mean literally, hit our home..



pls share yr views, as to what you feel about it. i have given an idea as to what i feel about it. more will follow from my side in other posts.

sidchhikara
November 16th, 2008, 03:18 AM
Dear, first of all expand your horizons of thoughts....what sex education is all about......what all we study through different subjects are always inter-linked in one or the other way to provide us almost complete education.


This is correct, exactly my thoughts.
Push-ups in PT class can be linked to intercourse.



And please,....it seems you never paid any regards to your teachers

This is also correct. They all sucked.

choudharyneelam
November 16th, 2008, 01:48 PM
This is correct, exactly my thoughts.
Push-ups in PT class can be linked to intercourse.


This is also correct. They all sucked.

to hell with such maniacs :mad:

I feel Brahm sir has introduced this topic at wrong place.....outcome is on the way with such sick psychologies

sidchhikara
November 16th, 2008, 02:39 PM
to hell with such maniacs :mad:

I feel Brahm sir has introduced this topic at wrong place.....outcome is on the way with such sick psychologies

You are the one who's yelling and calling names ... and I am the maniac ... that is rich !
When you clear up your head, maybe we can discuss stuff and BTW ... it is not inter-course... its intercourse [non-hyhenated]..... and another thing .... they donot teach sex in PT class ... get a grip.

choudharyneelam
November 16th, 2008, 03:09 PM
You are the one who's yelling and calling names ... and I am the maniac ... that is rich !
When you clear up your head, maybe we can discuss stuff and BTW ... it is not inter-course... its intercourse [non-hyhenated]..... and another thing .... they donot teach sex in PT class ... get a grip.

For your better understanding......sex education provide karne waale bhi bacchon ko sex nahin padhayenge ...so, don't mix the meaning of these two words.

And, thanks for the correction of my hypen being included there as mistake.

pawankumar
November 16th, 2008, 04:23 PM
I think there is no need of such type of education, there is need of commercial education, child achive such type of education automatically, as the age of a child increase.

anilsinghd
November 17th, 2008, 06:28 PM
For your better understanding......sex education provide karne waale bhi bacchon ko sex nahin padhayenge ...so, don't mix the meaning of these two words.

And, thanks for the correction of my hypen being included there as mistake.


cool off Neelam , just dont be word picker ! :)


of course Sid is talking about the sex education and not sex, it is just his short and witty style which is making you believe the wrong way!

choudharyneelam
November 17th, 2008, 06:52 PM
cool off Neelam , just dont be word picker ! :)


of course Sid is talking about the sex education and not sex, it is just his short and witty style which is making you believe the wrong way!

I'm quite cool dear....jahan gussa aaya tha wahan expression dikha diya

(and felt very great after seeing that another girl didn't made any stand to explain my philosophy/theory/nature as you did here by telling me a little about his short and witty style)

For others (just to avoid future arguments on words), its a request...please take the important topic in the most appropriate manner rather than this short that a single word creates the difference as I don't know every individual's psychology/ philosophy/ nature.

Thanks n Regards
Neelam

gaganjat
November 17th, 2008, 07:59 PM
I havent been following the thread and i think same people are writing again and again.

so what have we decided? we should have it or not? wat does majority believes?

people who have been following please suggest

choudharyneelam
November 17th, 2008, 08:40 PM
I havent been following the thread and i think same people are writing again and again.

so what have we decided? we should have it or not? wat does majority believes?

people who have been following please suggest

As per my consent, I feel it should be there for the sake of betterment of healthy development of thoughts and moral, values and sense in its greater meaning.

But, as per the discussion is moving around, it seems its better to be left upto couple's responsibility. If their child passes through all the different phases with a clean character they will be the most luckiest and will always feel that they taught every simple thing in its best manner, otherwise other children's parents will keep blaming the change taking place. So, as per this, either the change must be stopped to bring back that pure and innocent character, or just wait to see whether you are the lucky couple or the change is bad.

Though I haven't arrived at the conclusion at what stage it should be transpired, in what manner, to what group, at what place, with what methods and the like things.....all the most important kind. But, I've reached at the point where I can find many options as per individual's choice.

Over to some other person. I expressed my views (these also important to discuss, helpful enough to arrive at some good option)

gaganjat
November 17th, 2008, 09:57 PM
smart girllllll ! i agree ! if somebody doesnt agree , they can write a line and prove the point , they might be right, something we havent thought of.




As per my consent, I feel it should be there for the sake of betterment of healthy development of thoughts and moral, values and sense in its greater meaning.

But, as per the discussion is moving around, it seems its better to be left upto couple's responsibility. If their child passes through all the different phases with a clean character they will be the most luckiest and will always feel that they taught every simple thing in its best manner, otherwise other children's parents will keep blaming the change taking place. So, as per this, either the change must be stopped to bring back that pure and innocent character, or just wait to see whether you are the lucky couple or the change is bad.

Though I haven't arrived at the conclusion at what stage it should be transpired, in what manner, to what group, at what place, with what methods and the like things.....all the most important kind. But, I've reached at the point where I can find many options as per individual's choice.

Over to some other person. I expressed my views (these also important to discuss, helpful enough to arrive at some good option)

brahmtewatia
November 18th, 2008, 12:06 PM
Fine, from various discussions, it seems we have lot of educated and knowlegdeable member of this field on Jatland, so why not start teaching this *Sex Education* on this website itself.
...
Charity begins at home and Jatland is like an online home for Jats on internet. So please take initiative and spread awareness on this subject *Sex Education* on Jatland. Otherwise no point beating around the bushes:rock
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kar lyo human touch kun naate se:rock,,,,khulwao school padhao ke padhauoge,,,,itni cheej is site ke upar share karo so pher Sex Education ke upar batan mein ke dikkat aawai se,,,,main to kahu su ke padhao khoob padhao,,,,nyu to dekhna chaahun se ne ke Sex Education mein tam ke padhaoge:) un to rukke maran laag jya ke honi chahiye ar honi chaahiye,,,jab kah di ke shuru karo pher bilakh ge:rock
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What challenge:) no challenge to your knowledge, thats why i said please take the initiative and start imparting Sex Education if you want to name so. Please start go ahead most welcome.:rock
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Raja to kati nahi su,,,,,lekin aankh meench ke kise ke paachhe bi bhaajan ki adat konya,,,,,isaa laage se ib tain paachhe haanji haanji karan aale dekhe the



Whether we name it as Sex Education, Moral Science or Naitik Shiksha, it looks more of a fight on calling it by Sex Education.

its all about explaining things in right manner be it parents or be it teachers,,,,,,,
it seems that sachin has hit the bull's eye by saying "its all about explaining things in right manner, be it parents or be it teachers". its nice to see ppl converging on thoughts. i'm sure sachin has now got the fair enough idea as to what the discussion called for ! as such can i take the liberty of requesting mr. sachin to throw some light on "naitik shiksha" which in my opinion goes hand in hand with sex education. ;) i'm confident he has a lot to share about on "naitik shiksha" :)

brahmtewatia
November 18th, 2008, 02:24 PM
I feel Brahm sir has introduced this topic at wrong place.....outcome is on the way with such sick psychologies


Sabse sharm ki baat to tab hoti hai…jab girls of my age make the fun of this topic.

I was asked by one of my Sir to write an article on the same for the magazine and it was submitted to him then whereas other girls were writing jokes, stories, philosophies, poetry, etc. When other girls came to know about it then their expression was…..hmmm (with raised eyebrows)….Neelam hi likh sakti hai itna daring….now I just wonder ki logon ki limited soch kab badlegi….aisi soch rakhne waale to sex education ko galat hi maanenge. All so rubbish.
if you google "Sex Education in India, Whats the importance?" you'll hit the 1st answer in replies which is this thread on JATland... so neelam, you are treading on a subject where it require real guts, courage and strong conviction, even to speak a single word... pro or con ! yr own above reasoning answers my explanation. you'll appreciate that you are addressing this issue not only to JATlanders, but millions of readers worldwide. i salute yr sense of reasoning and conviction. i've observed a very personal touch in every post of yours, be it on any subject, same is true with me... people may have different opinion on this, but i guess it identifies a different perception and a different individuality all-together... CARRY ON !!! ALWAYS !!! (if necessary take my signatures) :)

being the curator of this thread, i am obliged to answer each and every queries, if not answered by other participating members. i feel, its imperative for every member who initiates a thread to maintain the necessary sanity and keep the participants engaged in healthy discussion (i've often time seen that most members take a callous approach and run away from originating questions... more often then not, that includes senior members as well) :( siddhartha chhikara has its own unique style of addressing the issue. there is a very thin line between the sense of humor and sarcasm, not many can appreciate that thin line. his posts (what i've observed) has a deep sense of sarcasm and hidden humor, hence often times found controversial. i refer his 1st post as follows:

"Even if they include sex-education, I donot expect our prudish teachers to do a decent job teaching it. Sex education ke time koi bachcha hans diya to... usko murga bana denge - I think thats a sex position in kamasutra". i can also recall "blue line hitting kaanwariyaas" on another thread, which sparked a helluva controversy. i guess other part of the explanation is aptly given by anil above (thanks anil). no comments from me on ensuing altercation(s), however i must confess that you both are very senior and responsible members of JL and yr existence and participation is well appreciated by every member. :)

and lastly, i dont think for a person of yr stature need words like:
(and felt very great after seeing that another girl didn't made any stand to explain my philosophy/theory/nature as you did here by telling me a little about his short and witty style)
to address the issue and your stand.

pls await my reply to yr post # 66 which i'll be addressing later... time constraints !!! cos right now i'm going through the trauma of being a forced bachelor. :D

sachinb
November 18th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Bhai tewatia,,,,I dont follow parochial approach on such subjects,,,,,,,,If you go through this thread or the other one which was closed by Mods,,,,I have conveyed my points very clearly,,,,,,

aur ghoom-phir baat vahin par aayi jo maine shuru se kahna jaari kiya thaa,,,,,,no more comments from my side,,,,am happy that people have understood it to an extent,,,,,,,,na bi understand karre koye to bi ke farak padde se:D

Naitik Shiksha is a very broad term and involves n number of practical problems, issues, conducts and list is endless,,,,,and throwing some light will not do justice to the subject:)


it seems that sachin has hit the bull's eye by saying "its all about explaining things in right manner, be it parents or be it teachers". its nice to see ppl converging on thoughts. i'm sure sachin has now got the fair enough idea as to what the discussion called for ! as such can i take the liberty of requesting mr. sachin to throw some light on "naitik shiksha" which in my opinion goes hand in hand with sex education. ;) i'm confident he has a lot to share about on "naitik shiksha" :)

brahmtewatia
November 18th, 2008, 03:11 PM
Naitik Shiksha is a very broad term and involves n number of practical problems, issues, conducts and list is endless,,,,,and throwing some light will not do justice to the subject:)

so is true with sex-education... its the perspective tht matters ! :)

downtoearth
November 18th, 2008, 07:12 PM
@ rupendera (also prashant)
would say that "if there are rats in the house then having a cat can be one of the most prudent options, if not the only one"... hope you'll surely agree on this. :)

. shayar ne khoob kaha hai...""" halat sey lad na sakey to halat se samjhota kar liya....."""";)


guys have made up their minds that if there are rats in the house then there is no need to catch them ....rats are human friendly...:p:p:p:p:p

brahmtewatia
November 18th, 2008, 09:15 PM
"Yon Shiksha"... Bhartiya parivesh mein !

Do you feel the necessity and importance of imparting "Sex Education" among Indian youngsters?

Be it through carefully selected curriculum in schools or through parents or through some other appropriate means. I have observed that people have a prejudice regarding sex education and feels that sex education is a way of enticing or encouraging young children in to having a sexual relationship. In fact it is necessary for young children aged 11 and above to know about the biological aspect of sex and understand the human physiological body and behaviour.

What’s your opinion?

If Yes… then:

1). At what age Group/Class should it be started?
2). How to deal with initial discomfort/shyness/hesitation among Indian youngsters?
3). How can we implement and make "Sex Education" effective and meaningful in our existing education system?
4). Do you think that in Indian society this introduction would disturb focus on other subjects?
5). Other implications and associated issues.

If No… then please elaborate through your valid reasons.

p.s. : please don’t post or comment on this thread, since it is only a poll and would be merged with another thread running on the same subject.

brahmtewatia
November 18th, 2008, 09:22 PM
i thought it to be necessary to incorporate a poll on the subject. please follow the poll... i guess there should be a conclusion on the outcome of the subject. mods are requested to merge the threads.

cooljat
November 19th, 2008, 04:11 PM
To be frank am not following this thread but I found a interesting news that will boost the morals of ones who advocating this Sex Education for sure !! ;)

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24662905-12377,00.html

Should't the supporters inspire from this news and form a party like it ?? :p

jitendershooda
November 19th, 2008, 05:49 PM
Yes, it must be given through a well drafted curriculum in schools or through parents.
No, it's waste of time and resources. Kids are smart enough and quick learners.

Bhai ye apni wordings ke bajae je sirf Yes/No likh dete to bada aacha raheta. Here I wish to put "No" but I still dont agree to what you have written for its explanation. Kids are not smart enough for this subject but there is still no need to teach them about sex so early.

I go by Nauhwar and Rupi's points of respecting our traditional approach. Rather we can create environment for them not to get deviated by applying some restrictions on Media including tv, cinemas, newspapers etc. and also by changing curriculum to include moral education to make them more studies/games focussed.

There is no limit to it when we talk about sex education. I heard news yesterday that in UK they will provide injections to girls in schools so that they cant get pregnant.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1086276/Girls-young-13-contraceptive-jabs-bid-tackle-pregnancy-hot-spots.html

So today we are demanding of sex education. After some years we will demand the same for girls in India. So till what level we will go?

Wo kahya karein ek Bookh, sex aur neend ne jitna badha lyo utna hi badhega .... its only remedy is to control our mind at last. Teach children to focus rather than to teach them what they can do better if they loose focus.

jitendershooda
November 19th, 2008, 06:00 PM
Though a bit off-topic

few years back I usually think that "Shaking Hands" we have learnt from these Goras. Also once I got fungal infection from a friend who had skin infection in his hands.

Then I thought that how good is our Indian tradition of "Hath jod kar Namaste" or "Hath utha kar Ram Ram". It gives:

1) Namrta as person fold his hands for others. So it brings somewhere politeness in a person.
2) Second it was hygenic as there was no hand contact with other person.

Now we have ran so much that even if a person is meeting us in office or outside twice-thrice a day then we Shake Hands.

But When I see these people Goras, from where we took this GOOD HABIT of theirs .... they only Say "HI, Hello" from a distance to a daily visitor. They dont SHAKE HANDS too eagerly as we Indians do. These people shake hands only in meetings or when a person is meeting after so long.

And now I watched one of programs in which they are building some public opinion by telling them that in UK every 1 in 3 have germs carrying in their hands as they dont wash hands after toilet. So

1) It is necessary to wash hands after toilet.
2) There will be further more reduction in shaking hands. And they will greet by saying HI.

Same was with France .... they used to kiss on your cheeks .... but it has been reduced drastically.

Means these people are leaving their bad habits. And we Indians are grabbing them and implementing them with grace and proud with a feeling of high stature.

Swabhiman .... kahin na kahin THESH kha chuka hai hum bhartiyo ka. Aur shayad yahi karan hai ki iss tarah ki pahel ho rahi hein. Bajae ki iske ki apne purane aache tareeko ko dhoodha jae aur parkha/apnaya jae.

Nishantrathi82
November 20th, 2008, 09:34 AM
Bhram g ur vote is still pending pls vote its ur right :D

sidchhikara
November 25th, 2008, 01:21 AM
Sex Ed..............

http://www.indianmasala.com/poster/asin2.jpg

rajivsp
November 26th, 2008, 05:05 AM
No, it's waste of time and resources. INDIAN Kids are smart enough and quick learners.

Hope here we'll get modern version of kamasutra, thanks to all learned JLers.

Nishantrathi82
November 26th, 2008, 09:16 AM
YES, sex-education will definitely help in preventing AIDS... are you aware that more then 50 per cent of AIDS victims all over the world, including india, belong to the age group of 15 to 24.


:(

Some more facts-

In India, about 86 percent of HIV infections occur through sexual intercourse, one key reason being that migrant workers in cities visit prostitutes and infect their wives when they return home.

An India Today poll revealed one in four Indian women between 18 and 30 in 11 cities had sex before marriage. One in three said she was open to having a sexual relationship even if she was not in love.

Last year, India became the country with the highest number of HIV-positive people, with an estimated 5.7 million cases.




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No, it's waste of time and resources. INDIAN Kids are smart enough and quick learners.

Hope here we'll get modern version of kamasutra, thanks to all learned JLers.

Rajiv g i think u have not read the thread properly because above quoted facts didn't convince me that Indian Kids r smart enough and this is kind of mistake which u can't take as a lesson for future if u had made a mistake its over for you.

rajivsp
November 27th, 2008, 04:36 AM
Absolutely correct! I am not interested in this topic- for me its very old topic- from childhood I am seeing people are involved in this discussion and still its going on(hiv is new in it). I have given my vote.

According to google - most popular search keyword on google is sex for indians. So people are doing a lot of self study/research. Its better if govt./social org could provide elementary education to all.

Nishantrathi82
November 27th, 2008, 09:28 AM
Absolutely correct! I am not interested in this topic- for me its very old topic- from childhood I am seeing people are involved in this discussion and still its going on(hiv is new in it). I have given my vote.

According to google - most popular search keyword on google is sex for indians. So people are doing a lot of self study/research. Its better if govt./social org could provide elementary education to all.


U r not intresed in topic but still put the post here in the discussion.:p
About the google people go there for seaching solution of the problems they faced so its the problem my dear. And i consider the Sex education is as important as like basic education its directly related to the life of the person.

minichaudhary
November 27th, 2008, 12:10 PM
dear members...
I am biology teacher teaching class X XI XII which are our traget classes for so called sex education...
Being a bio teacher i teach them all body system including working of heart,lungs,digestive system and other body metabolism...and obviously reproductive system also which include all biolgical,anatomical n physilogical aspects of reproductive system and of sex.....the thing which we need to take care of is emtional n behavioural aspect of sex..which is total missing in presnt curriculum..
first thing we should do is to remove "sex" from this...kyuni indian society mein jis key aagey sex lag gya to baat apney aap hi undiscuusable n untouchable ho jati hai...
Here teachers n educators n ofcourse parents must stress on emotional n behavioural aspect of sex instead of physiological one!
lets start talking with kids...we can give them hundred ways to channelise their engery in constructive way..!
And icing on the cake is we cant stop kids from indulging in it..so might as well sensitize them and aware them about its repurcssions.

sachinb
November 27th, 2008, 01:49 PM
aapki approach kaafi had tak sahi hai:rock,,,,the so called modern and advanced people dont want to leave the word Sex from this education.


un bhaiyon se prarthana hai ki Brahm-charya ka jeevan apnao aur uske baare mein padho,,,,,ye sex education bahut hi chhoti dikhne lag jaayegi:boxing:rock The Indian literature is full of education and knowledge and it covers every aspect and every dimensions of these aspects related to human anatomy or human relations and its impact on individuals as well as on society,,,,,,,

Hindustan ko Jaagne ki jarurat hai,,,,,SEX Education nahi YOG Education chaahiye:rock,,,iske andar har parkar ka gyaan bhara pada hai,,,,,,,




dear members...
I am biology teacher teaching class X XI XII which are out traget classes for so called sex education...
Being a bio teacher i teach them all body system including working of heart,lungs,digestive system and other body metabolism...and obviously reproductive system also which include all biolgical,anatomical n physilogical aspects of reproductive system and of sex.....the thing which we need to take care of is emtional n behavioural aspect of sex..which is total missing in presnt curriculum..
first thing we should do is to remove "sex" from this...kyuni indian society mein jis key aagey sex lag gya to baat apney aap hi undiscuusable n untouchable ho jati hai...
Here teachers n educators n ofcourse parents must stress on emotional n behavioural aspect of sex instead of physiological one!
lets start talking with kids...we can give them hundred ways to channelise their engery in constructive way..!
And icing on the cake is we can stop kids from indulging in it..so might as well sensitize them and aware them about its repurcssions.

devdahiya
November 27th, 2008, 08:54 PM
dear members...
I am biology teacher teaching class X XI XII which are out traget classes for so called sex education...
Being a bio teacher i teach them all body system including working of heart,lungs,digestive system and other body metabolism...and obviously reproductive system also which include all biolgical,anatomical n physilogical aspects of reproductive system and of sex.....the thing which we need to take care of is emtional n behavioural aspect of sex..which is total missing in presnt curriculum..
first thing we should do is to remove "sex" from this...kyuni indian society mein jis key aagey sex lag gya to baat apney aap hi undiscuusable n untouchable ho jati hai...
Here teachers n educators n ofcourse parents must stress on emotional n behavioural aspect of sex instead of physiological one!
lets start talking with kids...we can give them hundred ways to channelise their engery in constructive way..!
And icing on the cake is we can stop kids from indulging in it..so might as well sensitize them and aware them about its repurcssions.




Precisely Meenakshi ji.good take this.

rajivsp
November 28th, 2008, 02:59 AM
U r not intresed in topic but still put the post here in the discussion.:p
About the google people go there for seaching solution of the problems they faced so its the problem my dear. And i consider the Sex education is as important as like basic education its directly related to the life of the person. Yesterday 04:36 AM


I am not interested in discussion and that's why I never involved in this thread and its 2nd of its kind of thread, but when its a poll then I have given my vote. [with a comment]

By the way what are the problems those people facing, that they have to go to google to find solution............

rajivsp
November 28th, 2008, 03:31 AM
biology is just the study of organs/body, its nothing to do with sex/mind must be taught by psychologists or philosophers. Thread started with Kamasutra written by vatsyayan ( who never broken his celibacy) was also a great philosopher.

choudharyneelam
November 28th, 2008, 04:54 PM
SEX EDUCATION DEFINED BY MEDICAL DICTIONARY:


"Education about human sexual anatomy, reproduction, and intercourse and other human sexual behavior."


This should clear lots of doubts of some members as to what this ghost is all about.

Exactly, this meaning will clear many doubts. Thanks Sir, for adding it here.

Sexual Behaviour is a major part of this education and very important to make it best and if not then it will effect the other sex related matters.

If anybody still confused with sexual behaviour then here I'm copy pasting what it means according to dictionary......Implying or symbolizing erotic desires or activity. Eve teasing, rape cases, etc. are still noticed by the general public because people's sexual behaviour is not upto mark.

Dear friends,

Tell me now, isn't it necessary to add this part of education also into the curriculum so that the coming generation girls can be looked upon with good regards and concerns at every place. Also, the same should be reciprocated to the boys. Even boys are raped, if anybody had read from Times Of India. They also suffering a lot these days.

Again I'll say, ITS THE NEED OF HOUR. People need to think about it.

jitendershooda
November 28th, 2008, 05:05 PM
dear members...
I am biology teacher teaching class X XI XII which are our traget classes for so called sex education...
Being a bio teacher i teach them all body system including working of heart,lungs,digestive system and other body metabolism...and obviously reproductive system also which include all biolgical,anatomical n physilogical aspects of reproductive system and of sex.....the thing which we need to take care of is emtional n behavioural aspect of sex..which is total missing in presnt curriculum..
first thing we should do is to remove "sex" from this...kyuni indian society mein jis key aagey sex lag gya to baat apney aap hi undiscuusable n untouchable ho jati hai...
Here teachers n educators n ofcourse parents must stress on emotional n behavioural aspect of sex instead of physiological one!
lets start talking with kids...we can give them hundred ways to channelise their engery in constructive way..!
And icing on the cake is we cant stop kids from indulging in it..so might as well sensitize them and aware them about its repurcssions.

Much convincing reply Mini Ji. Could you please also elaborate the following as per your understanding:

1) From what class in schools this education should be On? Means since when we should adress the children about this?
2) What kind of changes should be done in the curriculum to include the behavioural and emotional aspect?
3) What problems it may arise or what benefits do you expect?

choudharyneelam
November 28th, 2008, 05:09 PM
Bhai Nishant and Pradeep - when I said 'would You teach her', it didn't mean literally as in you being a father teaching your daughter but rather would you let her have that knowledge through whatever means.

I rest my case now..ek hi topic pe isase jyada discussion sehat ke liye haanikaark siddh ho sakta hai !! I sincerely hope we don't have to watch Indian versions of Jerry Springer & Maury shows few years from now...

Prashant, you said the right thing that there is always a difference in teachings of parents i.e. mother's and father's. But father's understanding and building confidence into the child is a very important role.

I've two examples of such great fathers who made their little girls understand the basic things when their daughters questioned them. It was very difficult for those fathers to make atleast the basic things understandable by their girl child but it was their sense of dealing the serious concern. Fathers ka to pata nahin kaisa feel kiya hoga unhone, lekin girls (both my friends) felt very shy when they grew mature and learnt a new thing which they shared with me, also resulting into a new learning for me as well.

I'm sorry friends, I cannot write the exact thing what those fathers find very difficult to make their daughters understand without ignoring the question.

:)

jitendershooda
November 28th, 2008, 05:19 PM
I am not convinced with the point that the teen or unmarried pregnancies are increasing because of the lack of sex education.

The post that I did few days back clearly shows that in UK and also in US these pregnancies are on increase. Now UK govt is compelled to give injections to girls in schools that prevent pregnancies.
Few months back we have read a news from US that whole class of around 20 girls delibratly got pregnant with pre planning in vacations.

So how are we speaking of surity that after such education these cases will fell down in India?

I found Mini Jis reply having some convincing words but that is just broad talk. Can somebody come up with the inclusions of the education that we are demanding off and from which stage of children and how? And what are benifits we are expecting.

Also if anybody knows of any studies done on bunch of children in India about this education? As I feel before any step we must have some facts and figures with us and might be after those we who are skeptical about this get convinced and welcome this.

choudharyneelam
November 28th, 2008, 06:28 PM
I am not convinced with the point that the teen or unmarried pregnancies are increasing because of the lack of sex education.

The post that I did few days back clearly shows that in UK and also in US these pregnancies are on increase. Now UK govt is compelled to give injections to girls in schools that prevent pregnancies.
Few months back we have read a news from US that whole class of around 20 girls delibratly got pregnant with pre planning in vacations.

So how are we speaking of surity that after such education these cases will fell down in India?

I found Mini Jis reply having some convincing words but that is just broad talk. Can somebody come up with the inclusions of the education that we are demanding off and from which stage of children and how? And what are benifits we are expecting.

Also if anybody knows of any studies done on bunch of children in India about this education? As I feel before any step we must have some facts and figures with us and might be after those we who are skeptical about this get convinced and welcome this.

I agree with your starting wrods.

I don't when and how it should be taught to children but I'm expecting a Change in Behavior and when behavior is changed then a person learns to control his/her desires with reasons. This automatically will bring the early age pregnancy rate down....but still not sure that this rate can come down at zero level.

To bring change into the behavior when we have reached here then why we want to stop it here only and that too for something good.....Change process is never ending. Though I don't know about the facts but I'm concerned to know about these. Some of the things what I came to know about a part of effected population:


Children are very curious by nature
When they don't get the proper replies of queries from parents and teachers, then just consider that their character/behavior is all upto their understanding and experiences of life...anything can happen....either the worst or the best
Children who are spoiled have high intelligency but they cannot use it in right sense because they lack control power and thus get more spoiled and affected is behavior
They feel low and then move towards the things which can keep them away for a while from any tension and thus falls into the negative trap
Through my little social service at Drug De-Addiction Cetre, I came to know that Sex is also an attraction for people to get relief from tensions. They never bother about age and consequences. This happens psychologically
Children going through tension phase are very hyper and they just become the extremes
Drugs makes the person weak and losing physical health if not consumed.....but eve-teasing, rape, intercourse makes them feel the best, satisfying their needs in every sense and thus they get addicted to such things easily forgetting what they are doing with their good character and to the victim
Age group of 15 to 35 is the most common under all bad cases as observed at rehabiliation centre
Many more things to relate these problems what the counsellor, doctor and psychologist told us.

Then the role of private business:

Keeping oneself busy...anykind it could be
The main aim is to grow more and earn bigger profits everytime
Marketing is the biggest tool to expand the business
Marketers just have to create the demand and make the people like addicts
Even at rehabiliation centres some peddlers take the admission proving themself patients and plays the role of mediater to earn money and continuos working of the business

Govt. cannot ban every kind organisation unless it is spoiling the whole or major part of population for the sake of revenues but they think for the other solutions. The other solution most obviously comes from education and that's why till date the new recommendations are coming (which take a lot of time to make the masses understand).

brahmtewatia
November 28th, 2008, 07:39 PM
I am not convinced with the point that the teen or unmarried pregnancies are increasing because of the lack of sex education.

The post that I did few days back clearly shows that in UK and also in US these pregnancies are on increase. Now UK govt is compelled to give injections to girls in schools that prevent pregnancies.
Few months back we have read a news from US that whole class of around 20 girls delibratly got pregnant with pre planning in vacations.

So how are we speaking of surity that after such education these cases will fell down in India?

I found Mini Jis reply having some convincing words but that is just broad talk. Can somebody come up with the inclusions of the education that we are demanding off and from which stage of children and how? And what are benifits we are expecting.

Also if anybody knows of any studies done on bunch of children in India about this education? As I feel before any step we must have some facts and figures with us and might be after those we who are skeptical about this get convinced and welcome this.
jitender bhaisaheb, i still remember few of my local friends who got married at an early age of 15-16, and never knew as to what are the so-called "safe days". to be honest with you, even now a majority of married people in india are still ignorant about these "safe days". you would be surprised that this friend of mine (well i should rather call an acquaintance) was unaware of these safe-days until he had his 2nd born. while i say this, let me apprise you that these guys are not illiterate, for sure they have done their basic schooling up to class 10th or 12th. i can say with 100% conviction that many out here on JL, also cannot answer the question addressed above. thus it straight-away implies that "YES" this education will definitely remove or at least lessen the teenage pregnancies, not to talk of bigger nightmare of catching HIV virus.

people, especially teenagers, will have biological urges. that is a fact of nature and everybody over here would appreciate that it cannot be forcibly suppressed or wished away. it is the classic forbidden fruit syndrome and since it is forbidden, therefore it must be exciting. ignorance about even the basics of sex only adds to this malaise and achieves no purpose. very obviously, a lack of knowledge will make teenagers sneak off into dangerous liaisons... as echoed by many worthy members earlier, we cannot compare our culture with western societies. our moral upbringing plays an important role over here... this is what i have advocated earlier as well, that sex-education with proper moral ethical learning/upbringing can provide the perfect answer.

quite a few of the replies on this thread have come from unmarried members, as such I may excuse their short-sightedness over the issue… however if they can advance ahead in time, through some sort of time machine, i would ask them to imagine the situation when they have their own kids and find themselves unable to cope with their child's sexuality. as i say this, remember the times ahead are going to be even worse. as such, it wont be a surprise, when they get the shock of their lives when they realize they found a pack of condoms in their son (or daughter's) jeans pockets, or they discovered links to porn sites in the history files... or whatever... etc etc. all I can say is that we must ensure that the lines of communication between the parents and the kids should remain unbroken and this is only possible through sex education, which will teach them how to distinguish good from bad. i guess this will surely save them from lots of trouble and a lot of trauma, in case (god forbid) they are confronted with a potentially dangerous situation(s).

i hope i have answered quite a few of your questions, if not all. :)

brahmtewatia
November 28th, 2008, 07:44 PM
I agree with your starting wrods.

I don't when and how it should be taught to children but I'm expecting a Change in Behavior and when behavior is changed then a person learns to control his/her desires with reasons. This automatically will bring the early age pregnancy rate down....but still not sure that this rate can come down at zero level.

To bring change into the behavior when we have reached here then why we want to stop it here only and that too for something good.....Change process is never ending. Though I don't know about the facts but I'm concerned to know about these. Some of the things what I came to know about a part of effected population:


Children are very curious by nature
When they don't get the proper replies of queries from parents and teachers, then just consider that their character/behavior is all upto their understanding and experiences of life...anything can happen....either the worst or the best
Children who are spoiled have high intelligency but they cannot use it in right sense because they lack control power and thus get more spoiled and affected is behavior
They feel low and then move towards the things which can keep them away for a while from any tension and thus falls into the negative trap
Through my little social service at Drug De-Addiction Cetre, I came to know that Sex is also an attraction for people to get relief from tensions. They never bother about age and consequences. This happens psychologically
Children going through tension phase are very hyper and they just become the extremes
Drugs makes the person weak and losing physical health if not consumed.....but eve-teasing, rape, intercourse makes them feel the best, satisfying their needs in every sense and thus they get addicted to such things easily forgetting what they are doing with their good character and to the victim
Age group of 15 to 35 is the most common under all bad cases as observed at rehabiliation centre

Many more things to relate these problems what the counsellor, doctor and psychologist told us.

Then the role of private business:

Keeping oneself busy...anykind it could be
The main aim is to grow more and earn bigger profits everytime
Marketing is the biggest tool to expand the business
Marketers just have to create the demand and make the people like addicts
Even at rehabiliation centres some peddlers take the admission proving themself patients and plays the role of mediater to earn money and continuos working of the business

Govt. cannot ban every kind organisation unless it is spoiling the whole or major part of population for the sake of revenues but they think for the other solutions. The other solution most obviously comes from education and that's why till date the new recommendations are coming (which take a lot of time to make the masses understand).

thanks neelam for the wonderfull explanation you have given in your above post.

i was very much distressed by the remarks of one of the senior member when he said that "he was not following this thread"... despite of that, i see him vote against sex-education. well to me, this is a perfect example of pre-occupied and closed mind set, more precisely a sort of head-in-the-sand mindset. while others, which include sumit, prashant, sachin and rupendera dwelled on their reasoning with appropriate answer(s), which in my opinion is very much appreciated and justified to their line of thought... cos every individual is different and has its own ideas and perceptions.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

devdahiya
November 28th, 2008, 07:58 PM
So much can be written on the subject but again this being a taboo still,too much of open ness will amount to barbarism of sorts and hence i will confine my reply to certain basics: This reminds me of a joke and i quote....a little boy comes to his father and asked," papa how was i born"?...embaressed and tentative..the father said," when your Mom and me got up in the morning...we found you lying on the bed.....Curiousity still not doused the little one persisted on...then how was Neelima..my sister was born?....to this father thought for a while and said," Son we found her on our Door one fine morning.".....to this the boy said," Dad that means we have no history of Natural births in our family....unquote


Example above is to highlight the kind of inputs today's young people have access to and how well armed they are to this ghost called SEX.It is a natural instinct in all of us and very soothing and satisfying...i will call it a best gift of God to all creatures...specially human beings because they only can make the best use of it without repurcussions.

Having said that..it is imperative on both the parents to guide their children towards proper understanding of sexual behaviour which is good,pleasurable,free of disease and liabilities to have a meaningful and sensible life ahead.If the same can be introduced in schools around 8th standard under able and no nonsense,mature teachers in parts....there is no harm....but for that our children need to be on sound footings of correct normal education else it will lead to.........KAVVA CHALYA HANSS KI CHAL...APPNI BHI BHOOL GAYA.........Dangers are inherent....but life is never free of dangers in whatever we do.....Good luck!

choudharyneelam
November 28th, 2008, 09:29 PM
thanks neelam

Sir, its my responsibility whether the people take my views seriously or not, that is there understanding. During our teaching course, we were taught that you have to face many different people even at the times when nobody likes to agree with you. But, you keep trying. Definitely one day they will follow the same thoughts.

So, teaching as per my opinion is the toughest job where you have to develop a new thought accepted by all.

About sex education, I still don't have any good idea what way it would be imparted but in future this will be implemented for sure as per the situations I'm observing and feeling. Maybe, it get added into the curriculum when I grew old and can only get to know about it from grandchildren. Not so capable to use internet to find what the present reply is coming on Jatland,......or maybe I take new birth to study this on my own after some final recommendation of some foreigner.

jitendershooda
December 2nd, 2008, 06:59 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4584175.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4584175.stm)
The debate on how best to tackle teenage pregnancy has arisen again as latest figures show the rate in under-16s in England and Wales has increased.

http://www.teenissues.co.uk/TeenagePregnancy.html (http://www.teenissues.co.uk/TeenagePregnancy.html)
Teen pregnancy rates have recently been on the rise across the UK despite measures by the government medical professionals and community interest groups to lower these levels. No one is entirely certain why this happening, but whether a teen becomes pregnant by choice or buy chance it is obvious that (s)he needs information to help him/her decide about the future. This basic overview of frequently asked questions about teenage pregnancy should give any interested teen a background on the topic, but it should not be considered a comprehensive list of answers or resources. Parents, GPs, guidance counsellors, teachers, clergy and other adults and organisations should also be consulted by any teen facing a pregnancy and uncertain of the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy)

Country Teenage birth rate
per 1000 women 15-19
South Korea 3
Netherlands 5
Tunisia 7
Australia 16
United Kingdom 20
Russia 30
United States 53
Indonesia 55
South Africa 66
Brazil 73
Bangladesh 117
Niger 233

India it is 62.

It seems to me that the sex education is not affective in US too then how come the people are feeling it will help out in India. Please provide some facts and figures for the same? In India it is mentioned as 62 and In US it is 53.

Causes of teenage pregnancy in India are mostly because of marriage in early ages. This percentage of teenage pregnancy is more in rural India than in urban. So to axe this problem we need to educate people in rural India and to link them with the mainstream by looking more to the irrigation facilities to improve agriculture and other facilities first. I believe that these steps would be more affective in terms of reducing teenage pregnancy in India.

Now I agreed with Mini ji when she said that some behavioural and other aspects of sex should be addressed. But nobody till now come up with answers to my queries:

1) By what age we should provide and what?
2) How we are sure of its benefits and what are they? (though Neelam/Brahm Ji has written a bit about benefits but am giving data in this case that in these developed countries like US it is not reducing and in UK again it is increasing despite of all factors, so how they can come up with this conclusion that it will reduce teenage pregnancies in India?)

jitendershooda
December 2nd, 2008, 07:08 PM
jitender bhaisaheb, i still remember few of my local friends who got married at an early age of 15-16, and never knew as to what are the so-called "safe days". to be honest with you, even now a majority of married people in india are still ignorant about these "safe days". you would be surprised that this friend of mine (well i should rather call an acquaintance) was unaware of these safe-days until he had his 2nd born. while i say this, let me apprise you that these guys are not illiterate, for sure they have done their basic schooling up to class 10th or 12th. i can say with 100% conviction that many out here on JL, also cannot answer the question addressed above. thus it straight-away implies that "YES" this education will definitely remove or at least lessen the teenage pregnancies, not to talk of bigger nightmare of catching HIV virus.
:)

Bhai saab ye baat ho rahi hein balakan tahi padhan ki .... to pahele to aap log ye clear karein ki aap kya chahte hein ki kya kya padhaya jae bachon ko aur kis kis age ke?

Regarding "Safe Days" mein aapne bataon ek baat .... exceptions are everywhere .... in safe days ke chakkaran mein ghani teenage pregnancy hongi je ye bata diye te :) .... why this so .... one of my friend has got conflicts with his wife within few months of marriage. And She left him for her home. After 9 months we got news that she delivered a child. Now case of ongoing and it comes a point where we have to decide whether to go for DNA test or not as it was under the very much safer days .... so we did took the decision .... and what .... the result of DNA was against :(.

To mere khyal te balkan tahi itne chakkaran mein geran ke bajae kuch minor changes in their curriculum can be done and haan at later stages some good clear FAQs should be resolved.

dkumars
December 2nd, 2008, 07:33 PM
Regarding "Safe Days" mein aapne bataon ek baat .... exceptions are everywhere .... in safe days ke chakkaran mein ghani teenage pregnancy hongi je ye bata diye te :) .... why this so .... one of my friend has got conflicts with his wife within few months of marriage. And She left him for her home. After 9 months we got news that she delivered a child. Now case of ongoing and it comes a point where we have to decide whether to go for DNA test or not as it was under the very much safer days .... so we did took the decision .... and what .... the result of DNA was against


Bhai Jittu... I assume such incident an exception. And I don deny this will not happen after education this whole science but the frequency could be reduced this way.

Aur knowledge toh kissi bhi prakar ki achhi hi hoti hai fark ye hai ki apply kaha karni hai. Momb ka use border par desh ki raksha ke liye bhi kiya jaa sakta hai aur TajMahal hotel mein ghus kar kattale aam ke liye bhi.


Waise 'result of DNA was against ' means DNA matched or not?

jitendershooda
December 2nd, 2008, 07:51 PM
Bhai Jittu... I assume such incident an exception. And I don deny this will not happen after education this whole science but the frequency could be reduced this way.



ha ha ... bhai yo te manney bhi likh diya upar ke exception hai. Par mein nue boojhna chahun tha ke kitne ek saal ke balak tahi nye bataoge ek konse safe days hein er konse na? :) aur balak te curious hon ee sein ... we iss baat ne barat ke bhi dekhenge ... ek le "safe days" te se ee :)

So there is a great need to categorise the things in terms of what, for whom and what age?

We indians has always different views than the West. Apne wale kabhi se sanchae par jyada jor dete aae hein aur mante hein ki aadmi man ki pravarti Pani ki terah se hai wo nichae ki taraf bahene ki kosis karta hai .... but in west they have bhog ki neeti...So its better that the students should know only that much that is needed at any age and on the other hand some activities should be there to improve their will and mind so that they do develop some Vivek and then when their age comes give them what all is required and now they will not misuse it.

Nishantrathi82
December 3rd, 2008, 11:43 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4584175.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4584175.stm)
The debate on how best to tackle teenage pregnancy has arisen again as latest figures show the rate in under-16s in England and Wales has increased.

http://www.teenissues.co.uk/TeenagePregnancy.html (http://www.teenissues.co.uk/TeenagePregnancy.html)
Teen pregnancy rates have recently been on the rise across the UK despite measures by the government medical professionals and community interest groups to lower these levels. No one is entirely certain why this happening, but whether a teen becomes pregnant by choice or buy chance it is obvious that (s)he needs information to help him/her decide about the future. This basic overview of frequently asked questions about teenage pregnancy should give any interested teen a background on the topic, but it should not be considered a comprehensive list of answers or resources. Parents, GPs, guidance counsellors, teachers, clergy and other adults and organisations should also be consulted by any teen facing a pregnancy and uncertain of the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy)

Country Teenage birth rate
per 1000 women 15-19
South Korea 3
Netherlands 5
Tunisia 7
Australia 16
United Kingdom 20
Russia 30
United States 53
Indonesia 55
South Africa 66
Brazil 73
Bangladesh 117
Niger 233

India it is 62.

It seems to me that the sex education is not affective in US too then how come the people are feeling it will help out in India. Please provide some facts and figures for the same? In India it is mentioned as 62 and In US it is 53.

Causes of teenage pregnancy in India are mostly because of marriage in early ages. This percentage of teenage pregnancy is more in rural India than in urban. So to axe this problem we need to educate people in rural India and to link them with the mainstream by looking more to the irrigation facilities to improve agriculture and other facilities first. I believe that these steps would be more affective in terms of reducing teenage pregnancy in India.

Now I agreed with Mini ji when she said that some behavioural and other aspects of sex should be addressed. But nobody till now come up with answers to my queries:

1) By what age we should provide and what?
2) How we are sure of its benefits and what are they? (though Neelam/Brahm Ji has written a bit about benefits but am giving data in this case that in these developed countries like US it is not reducing and in UK again it is increasing despite of all factors, so how they can come up with this conclusion that it will reduce teenage pregnancies in India?)


Bhai g what about AIDS percentage?
Sex education se woh bhi kaam hoga.

jitendershooda
December 3rd, 2008, 04:02 PM
Bhai g what about AIDS percentage?
Sex education se woh bhi kaam hoga.

For AIDS we need to teach elders and the people who are the main cause of it first like truck drivers etc. And teaching them and facilitating to get all contraceptives easily will reduce it a lot. I have seen that in delhi they are placing condom machines in slums and this is the way to address it practically.

Perhaps "kids" are not the right audience of this. Haan details can be taught to some grown ups.

Nishantrathi82
December 3rd, 2008, 04:28 PM
For AIDS we need to teach elders and the people who are the main cause of it first like truck drivers etc. And teaching them and facilitating to get all contraceptives easily will reduce it a lot. I have seen that in delhi they are placing condom machines in slums and this is the way to address it practically.

Perhaps "kids" are not the right audience of this. Haan details can be taught to some grown ups.


Jitender bhai Truck drivers are fine and the thread stated that the 'Sex education yes or No'. Age is not the criteria but still if u teach them in 11-12th class these guys will grown up with that education too. And u can find in of the post by Brahm sir that 50% of aids victims are between 15-24 age group that's why its needed to teach in that particular age.

jitendershooda
December 3rd, 2008, 06:39 PM
Jitender bhai Truck drivers are fine and the thread stated that the 'Sex education yes or No'..

No, it's waste of time and resources. Kids are smart enough and quick learners.

This I pointed in my post earlier too, if you are targetting whole crowd and not the kids then please remove it and now hope many of us will co-inside.



Age is not the criteria but still if u teach them in 11-12th class these guys will grown up with that education too. And u can find in of the post by Brahm sir that 50% of aids victims are between 15-24 age group that's why its needed to teach in that particular age.

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:Lu7exUaR3m8J:data.unaids.org/Media/Press-Releases02/PR_NACO-PFA_05Nov204_en.pdf+aids+in+india+age+group&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=uk

http://www.avert.org/indiaaids.htm

Bhai wo ramadoss ka bayan tha shayad 50% ala..... and the pitty in India is that everybody can make their own figures to prove their point. Aur such kind of surveys should have details like
what are the occupation of the victims
how much they are studied
what is their economic condition

then only some significance can be traced of it. And believe me these would again point to improve the overall condition of people. Drop outs mein ye percentage jyada hoga to ye kid level sex education will also not do.

First, there should be sites and some books every year from Govt to teach people and genuine information.

1) Like lots and lots of parents dont know many things about the upbringing of a kid. First aid aur sahi kya hai galat kya hai. The english or medical terms and relevance of many aam dharnaen. Recently I came to know about Kaag-Kanta in infants. Nayan ya kumhar karya karein iska ilaj purane time te .... but many of those are wrong like by putting their finger into childs mouth and and pushing his KAG above and also some others suck their KAAG from mouth over head ... this may lead to death of child because of nail infection. Many doctors dont know about this and they say its nothing but one senior most doctor told that Yes it is there and it comes due to lack of water in the baby. KAG neeche chalya jaya karei er balak khana-peena chod de .... usne dee jao davai er neem haqeem but the solution is paani.

Aur na jane kitni ki cheejen aisi hein jinki genuine information kahin nahi milti .... and there should be one stop thing from govt to cover all these like in western countries.

2) Eeb jaise Brahm bhai ne kahi thi about safe days ... it is not the only thing .... many things elders dont know .... so there must be some place where elders can get full information. Jiske level pe jo cheej chahiye uski information usko mile. But dont overdose if not required at less age perhaps this would worsen the situation instead of healing it.

devdahiya
December 3rd, 2008, 06:41 PM
No, it's waste of time and resources. Kids are smart enough and quick learners.

This I pointed in my post earlier too, if you are targetting whole crowd and not the kids then please remove it and now hope many of us will co-inside.



http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:Lu7exUaR3m8J:data.unaids.org/Media/Press-Releases02/PR_NACO-PFA_05Nov204_en.pdf+aids+in+india+age+group&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=uk

http://www.avert.org/indiaaids.htm

Bhai wo ramadoss ka bayan tha shayad 50% ala..... and the pitty in India is that everybody can make their own figures to prove their point. Aur such kind of surveys should have details like
what are the occupation of the victims
how much they are studied
what is their economic condition

then only some significance can be traced of it. And believe me these would again point to improve the overall condition of people. Drop outs mein ye percentage jyada hoga to ye kid level sex education will also not do.

First, there should be sites and some books every year from Govt to teach people and genuine information.

1) Like lots and lots of parents dont know many things about the upbringing of a kid. First aid aur sahi kya hai galat kya hai. The english or medical terms and relevance of many aam dharnaen. Recently I came to know about Kaag-Kanta in infants. Nayan ya kumhar karya karein iska ilaj purane time te .... but many of those are wrong like by putting their finger into childs mouth and and pushing his KAG above and also some others suck their KAAG from mouth over head ... this may lead to death of child because of nail infection. Many doctors dont know about this and they say its nothing but one senior most doctor told that Yes it is there and it comes due to lack of water in the baby. KAG neeche chalya jaya karei er balak khana-peena chod de .... usne dee jao davai er neem haqeem but the solution is paani.

Aur na jane kitni ki cheejen aisi hein jinki genuine information kahin nahi milti .... and there should be one stop thing from govt to cover all these like in western countries.

2) Eeb jaise Brahm bhai ne kahi thi about safe days ... it is not the only thing .... many things elders dont know .... so there must be some place where elders can get full information. Jiske level pe jo cheej chahiye uski information usko mile. But dont overdose if not required at less age perhaps this would worsen the situation instead of healing it.



How so right.......Majority of young ones specially in villages have a very distorted knowledge of sex and that is the issue in focus.

gillvikash
December 8th, 2008, 01:37 PM
i am not smart as you all :) and cant give this big refr and data

from me a very simple question to all
Do anyone of you feel that if he/she would have been given sex education they would be a better person in any respect?

being more simple
Do anyone of you think that they miss sex education ?

:rock

me_rathee
December 8th, 2008, 02:54 PM
Yes this is good.....Due to this we will stop spreading many diseases likes AIDS from our society.

choudharyneelam
December 8th, 2008, 08:35 PM
No, it's waste of time and resources. Kids are smart enough and quick learners.



You are right kids are smart enough but still they are missing something important.

A shocking news which I read few years back in TOI....that a child became a victim of AIDS again. The shocking part was that after doing all the tests on parents, Doctor was confused that can a child of 8-10 years have sex. The doctor went into detail history...from where the child buy the things, what he eats, where he stands, etc. An answer, when he got from child that he is fond of buying burger from the person who use to make a stall everyday near his school boundary, solved all the doubts of doctor and parents. That burgerwala himself wasn't aware that he was infected by AIDS...he also got distressed when he came to know that he too is a victim of such syndrome. Then the mystery was solved, when doctor questioned him more.......once in some hurry his hand was cut wth knife to make burgers ready for every child paying to him. And, it started bleeding which might have mixed with the eatables (as he left it open n bleeding in order to prepare burgers for all kids immediately) of that victim child and thus it was calculated(after all test verifications) that how all this happened to an innocent child.

Parents, many times handover little pocket money in children's hand to satisfy their taste n make them happy. Nobody can ever dream that this thing also can happen. Though, after getting into burgerwala's knowledge, he himself cared about that to avoid making more such innocent children victims of it, but a life was spoilt. That too a life of the person from well educated family (parents were highly designated....I don't remember their exact professions)....but this was also a little story.

For sure, rural people need education the most, but what about these educated unaware people..........?????????

sachinb
December 8th, 2008, 08:46 PM
I can not comment on the authenticity of this report. Till now I have been reading similar stuff blaming Paani_puri for spread of this deadly virus to a small victim. This is the first time I have seen that Burgar was behind that spread of AIDS virus. What I know from little knowledge is that this AIDS virus can not survive in open environment.

Any person belonging to this field can trhough some light whether the chain mail(burger & Paani-puri) which has been in circulation for years is true or not


You are right kids are smart enough but still they are missing something important.

A shocking news which I read few years back in TOI....that a child became a victim of AIDS again. The shocking part was that after doing all the tests on parents, Doctor was confused that can a child of 8-10 years have sex. The doctor went into detail history...from where the child buy the things, what he eats, where he stands, etc. An answer, when he got from child that he is fond of buying burger from the person who use to make a stall everyday near his school boundary, solved all the doubts of doctor and parents. That burgerwala himself wasn't aware that he was infected by AIDS...he also got distressed when he came to know that he too is a victim of such syndrome. Then the mystery was solved, when doctor questioned him more.......once in some hurry his hand was cut wth knife to make burgers ready for every child paying to him. And, it started bleeding which might have mixed with the eatables (as he left it open n bleeding in order to prepare burgers for all kids immediately) of that victim child and thus it was calculated(after all test verifications) that how all this happened to an innocent child.

Parents, many times handover little pocket money in children's hand to satisfy their taste n make them happy. Nobody can ever dream that this thing also can happen. Though, after getting into burgerwala's knowledge, he himself cared about that to avoid making more such innocent children victims of it, but a life was spoilt. That too a life of the person from well educated family (parents were highly designated....I don't remember their exact professions)....but this was also a little story.

For sure, rural people need education the most, but what about these educated unaware people..........?????????

devdahiya
December 8th, 2008, 08:47 PM
You are right kids are smart enough but still they are missing something important.

A shocking news which I read few years back in TOI....that a child became a victim of AIDS again. The shocking part was that after doing all the tests on parents, Doctor was confused that can a child of 8-10 years have sex. The doctor went into detail history...from where the child buy the things, what he eats, where he stands, etc. An answer, when he got from child that he is fond of buying burger from the person who use to make a stall everyday near his school boundary, solved all the doubts of doctor and parents. That burgerwala himself wasn't aware that he was infected by AIDS...he also got distressed when he came to know that he too is a victim of such syndrome. Then the mystery was solved, when doctor questioned him more.......once in some hurry his hand was cut wth knife to make burgers ready for every child paying to him. And, it started bleeding which might have mixed with the eatables (as he left it open n bleeding in order to prepare burgers for all kids immediately) of that victim child and thus it was calculated(after all test verifications) that how all this happened to an innocent child.

Parents, many times handover little pocket money in children's hand to satisfy their taste n make them happy. Nobody can ever dream that this thing also can happen. Though, after getting into burgerwala's knowledge, he himself cared about that to avoid making more such innocent children victims of it, but a life was spoilt. That too a life of the person from well educated family (parents were highly designated....I don't remember their exact professions)....but this was also a little story.

For sure, rural people need education the most, but what about these educated unaware people..........?????????



While your contention is correct Neelam......the example quoted regarding transfer of infection.....'blood mixing in burgers is not correct'......Dead cells can not transfer HIV infections.Take it in correct spirit please.

devdahiya
December 8th, 2008, 08:49 PM
I can not comment on the authenticity of this report. Till now I have been reading similar stuff blaming Paani_puri for spread of this deadly virus to a small victim. This is the first time I have seen that Burgar was behind that spread of AIDS virus. What I know from little knowledge is that this AIDS virus can not survive in open environment.

Any person belonging to this field can trhough some light whether the chain mail(burger & Paani-puri) which has been in circulation for years is true or not



U R RIGHT Sachin.

choudharyneelam
December 8th, 2008, 09:25 PM
.....the thing which we need to take care of is emtional n behavioural aspect of sex..which is total missing in presnt curriculum..
first thing we should do is to remove "sex" from this...kyuni indian society mein jis key aagey sex lag gya to baat apney aap hi undiscuusable n untouchable ho jati hai...


I don't agree with the highlighted words, because again its upto the person how he/she is imparting some knowledge to other....let me again cite one example of my school days from class 12th.

I always feel proud and blessed for the kind of teachers we had at our school. Our English PGT was such a beautiful lady not only in the sense of physical body(the first impact of every person) but also in her thoughts....I'll tell you more about her thoughts.....

During some readings in class, there came one word HONEYMOON in between the lesson and one messy kind made the fun of it by disturbing the inclined interest of the whole class. Though, very frankly we girls also laughed with boys (at that moment only) but as the time was over She(our teacher) had to leave the class.

Next day, she asked the same boy to read out from the same para again. He stood-up and started the same but then again he created all that mess....She immediately got it where he stucked. She asked him to read out that word and when he did the same, She paused to ask the meaning of the word from same guy.....He with blushing (hiding mischievious element) face replied, Ma'am its for married people and laughed again (general nature of guys)......But she remained serious and asked to explain what you feel exactly in your words clearly taking urself as example.....

He then said: Madam, like if I get marry then I'll go on Honeymoon with my wife...and again tried to break his control on laugh......She, then explained it after having little more coversations with us.....We're told by her that honeymoon means to have fun....it is not necessary that you have it with your spouse only....you can have it with your friends also but usually frens' fun is called with same simple word fun n that of married couple is termed as honeymoon but its the same. Its blissful, sweet, harmonious and etc. etc. like you have with your frens. But, the guy didn't stopped even after that explanation and making it as bigger fun by asking girls...that you are my friend and tomorrow we are going for honeymoon.

Teacher again listened all that crap while passing thru the way and in the next class, she again asked the same guy to read out the same and explain what the author says by this as it was a lesson written on a player's feeling on victory after winning gold medal. But, this time the guy got serious, naturally just because of the reflections that teacher showed to him, n again he never tried any such jokes even in her absense. I can never forget my such learnings which impressed me that what a good teacher can do to little and restricted brains.

Teacher need to be very polite during her teachings, she has to control her anger a lot because if she burst it out at children, definitely children will take the meanings wrongly and will always make the fun of same. Lot many things that a teacher has to consider while teaching, she has to change the thoughts of unmature children....rather than thinking to replace the word. Let the people think what they think, but she has to remain firm. Very difficult, and very rare that I had seen till date. These rare personalties had provided the best to children.

One more thing what I find is the different personality in my that teacher.....she was married to an Indian Naval Officer (understandings show the difference even with match). Don't want to stretch more with these explanations how and why.

:)

choudharyneelam
December 8th, 2008, 09:31 PM
While your contention is correct Neelam......the example quoted regarding transfer of infection.....'blood mixing in burgers is not correct'......Dead cells can not transfer HIV infections.Take it in correct spirit please.

Sir, I have least knowledge about biology and related things, but I accept it that I wrote the half news which I read in the newspaper. Sorry for that, and its my little concern that I read such topics and never cut and keep it safe to share if required in future. Though, how it all happened ..i just stated it with few words "after test verifications". Rest, now onwards I'll definitely keep the cuttings with me to share the complete information.

:)

jitendershooda
December 8th, 2008, 10:29 PM
Jitender bhai Truck drivers are fine and the thread stated that the 'Sex education yes or No'. Age is not the criteria but still if u teach them in 11-12th class these guys will grown up with that education too. And u can find in of the post by Brahm sir that 50% of aids victims are between 15-24 age group that's why its needed to teach in that particular age.


No, it's waste of time and resources. Kids are smart enough and quick learners.

This I pointed in my post earlier too, if you are targetting whole crowd and not the kids then please remove it and now hope many of us will co-inside.
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You are right kids are smart enough but still they are missing something important.



Neelam here perhaps I have not written it in clear manner. I have said that please remove 'Kids' from 'No' option of this poll, please read my bold letters here. It is more required for the grown ups in todays scenerio.

jitendershooda
December 8th, 2008, 10:42 PM
Don't want to stretch more with these explanations how and why.

:)

Yes, you are right. Its better now to write about the following:

1) What should be there in the curriculum?
2) Which class should get what?

Your example was quite good and I feel here is where Mini was right when she said that "behavioural" aspect of this is missing. The teacher in the example handled it well.

And I agree with her when she said remove this word ... as this has created a hype and given substance to oppose it. Though if you will come up with details of the above two questions you will find that the exact solution is a mix of behavioural, biological and moral education and not only SEX education.

When it comes about teenage pregnancies I have given some links with data from west countries. And personally seen also .... here child around 9-10 start smooching, caressing, pool enjoyment etc. You can see these things in open, in pools, parks etc. So I feel that its better not to get too much open at early stages and let them develop some wisdom of right and wrong. Ek 10-11 saal ka balak kisse bhi cheej ne sahi-galat nahi samajh sakta ... balke wo uska mis-use karega jaisa ki inn deshon mein ho raha hai. Yahan mis-use ho raha hai ... aur apne yahan gareebi ke karan hein ye bimari main to. Majdoor aur kisan ki betiyan jaldi byahi jati hein aur iss karan ye teenage pregnancy unmein jyada hai.

brahmtewatia
December 9th, 2008, 12:08 PM
YES, sex-education will definitely help in preventing AIDS... are you aware that more then 50 per cent of AIDS victims all over the world, including india, belong to the age group of 15 to 24. in india there are no real statistics available, you are blaming these truck drivers, but why didn't you mentioned as to where they are going? obviously they are not forcibly sneaking into someone's house.


http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:Lu7exUaR3m8J:data.unaids.org/Media/Press-Releases02/PR_NACO-PFA_05Nov204_en.pdf+aids+in+india+age+group&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=uk

http://www.avert.org/indiaaids.htm

Bhai wo ramadoss ka bayan tha shayad 50% ala..... and the pitty in India is that everybody can make their own figures to prove their point. Aur such kind of surveys should have details like
what are the occupation of the victims
how much they are studied
what is their economic condition

then only some significance can be traced of it. And believe me these would again point to improve the overall condition of people. Drop outs mein ye percentage jyada hoga to ye kid level sex education will also not do.

First, there should be sites and some books every year from Govt to teach people and genuine information.

1) .........................

2) Eeb jaise Brahm bhai ne kahi thi about safe days ... it is not the only thing .... many things elders dont know .... so there must be some place where elders can get full information. Jiske level pe jo cheej chahiye uski information usko mile. But dont overdose if not required at less age perhaps this would worsen the situation instead of healing it.
The subject, as expected is now touching all its complexities and intricacies. Many thanks to all worthy participants for binging forth their various viewpoints. Let me carry forward my stand, which I missed on certain issues during the course of discussion.

Issue 1:

Jitender ji, you are 100% right when you say that "there are no real statistics available of the prevalence of AIDS". You are also right when you say that "in light of contradictory data's available, everyone is trying to prove its point". Indeed their is no real data available and the same will never be available, as far as India is concerned owing to its social back-drop. Even the reports of various UN agencies are not clear on the prevalence of AIDS in India. Now coming to Ramdoss's statement (as confirmed by you) I would say that it is not Ramdoss's statement... guess he too has taken it from some other source. Anyways, whatever may be the source, I have all the reasons to believe on the correctness of the figures. I don't go at the face value of any news or report, instead I make my own inferences and interpretations based on my knowledge and the awareness of the subject... and in my statement it was mentioned "50% of AIDS victims all over the world, including India". Mr Ramdoss might be in the eye of storm owing to his ego problems, high handedness, mishandling on various issues (Dr. Venugopal's case) or for that matter any selfish political gains... however, in my opinion, for sure he is not a stupid after-all. I say so cos the maximum number of AIDS prevalence is in Sub-Saharan Africa and here I can say with 100% confidence that these figures can even touch 60-70% of AIDS prevalence in the age group of 15-24.

Anyway I do agree in totality that for sure no real data's are available on the prevalence of AIDS in India or even worldwide... and that is the bottom-line.

.......... more to follow !

brahmtewatia
December 9th, 2008, 01:08 PM
jitender bhaisaheb, i still remember few of my local friends who got married at an early age of 15-16, and never knew as to what are the so-called "safe days". to be honest with you, even now a majority of married people in india are still ignorant about these "safe days". you would be surprised that this friend of mine (well i should rather call an acquaintance) was unaware of these safe-days until he had his 2nd born. while i say this, let me apprise you that these guys are not illiterate, for sure they have done their basic schooling up to class 10th or 12th. i can say with 100% conviction that many out here on JL, also cannot answer the question addressed above. thus it straight-away implies that "YES" this education will definitely remove or at least lessen the teenage pregnancies, not to talk of bigger nightmare of catching HIV virus.

people, especially teenagers, will have biological urges. that is a fact of nature and everybody over here would appreciate that it cannot be forcibly suppressed or wished away. it is the classic forbidden fruit syndrome and since it is forbidden, therefore it must be exciting. ignorance about even the basics of sex only adds to this malaise and achieves no purpose. very obviously, a lack of knowledge will make teenagers sneak off into dangerous liaisons... as echoed by many worthy members earlier, we cannot compare our culture with western societies. our moral upbringing plays an important role over here... this is what i have advocated earlier as well, that sex-education with proper moral ethical learning/upbringing can provide the perfect answer.

quite a few of the replies on this thread have come from unmarried members, as such I may excuse their short-sightedness over the issue… however if they can advance ahead in time, through some sort of time machine, i would ask them to imagine the situation when they have their own kids and find themselves unable to cope with their child's sexuality. as i say this, remember the times ahead are going to be even worse. as such, it wont be a surprise, when they get the shock of their lives when they realize they found a pack of condoms in their son (or daughter's) jeans pockets, or they discovered links to porn sites in the history files... or whatever... etc etc. all I can say is that we must ensure that the lines of communication between the parents and the kids should remain unbroken and this is only possible through sex education, which will teach them how to distinguish good from bad. i guess this will surely save them from lots of trouble and a lot of trauma, in case (god forbid) they are confronted with a potentially dangerous situation(s).

i hope i have answered quite a few of your questions, if not all. :)


Bhai saab ye baat ho rahi hein balakan tahi padhan ki .... to pahele to aap log ye clear karein ki aap kya chahte hein ki kya kya padhaya jae bachon ko aur kis kis age ke?

Regarding "Safe Days" mein aapne bataon ek baat .... exceptions are everywhere .... in safe days ke chakkaran mein ghani teenage pregnancy hongi je ye bata diye te :)
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To mere khyal te balkan tahi itne chakkaran mein geran ke bajae kuch minor changes in their curriculum can be done and haan at later stages some good clear FAQs should be resolved.

Issue 2:

Bhaisaheb, for sure, the subject was/is intended for sex education among kids, however there is a big need especially in India for even adults to get this education. In all my fairness, I must confess that it will be stupid on my part if I deny your apprehensions on the increase of teenage pregnancies, if the so called "safe days" are made aware to the teenagers. In totality, I see a mixed response in your posts. On one hand you seem to be in favour of it, while on the other hand you are in total opposition. However, what I conclude from your thoughts is that you might be in its favour, but not at an early age... please correct me if I am wrong.

The reason I quoted the example "safe days" was to bring forth the point that even people who have the basic education are also not aware on various sex related issues... hence, quoting the example of one of my acquaintances. Now coming to your apprehensions, I am sure that you would appreciate that these safe days can be correct in 90% of the cases, obviously exceptions are always there. If you agree on this, then obviously it implies that it will not lead to increase in teenage pregnancies. correct ? Instead, it will surely see a reduction, as the teenagers are now well educated. Now coming to the experimentation part... wo to tab se hi lagoo ho jata hai when a particular teenager first tasted this classic forbidden fruit syndrome.

What I mean to say is that all these teenagers who have already experimented are very smart and well aware of all the consequences... in fact they are well aware of SAFE DAYS. My logic was to tell, and this holds good for those who are on the verge of tasting this...$%#@*(&)>??... hope that clarifies my stand. :)

.......... more to follow !

Your reasoning too is very much justified and holds very firm ground, but that is just an assumption/apprehension or a premonition of things about to come... but if you take into consideration the overall package ;) you will see a justification in my reasoning.

shweta123
December 9th, 2008, 01:23 PM
This vital & vast subject is in dearth of replies !

Moreover, most of the replies I read here are unimpressive, may be just because of the fact that not enough people have bothered to shower their different perceptions in a responsible manner, thereby making the whole thing go slow and lackluster! :oThough Bhram ji is doing a good job and taking it further.


I am soon coming up with my views, till then any thoughts about 'Child Sex Abuse' and how to prepare your child to know what it is and how can he escape such things, or you wish to leave your child uninformed and on God's mercy when such happenings are increasing manyfolds??

gillvikash
December 9th, 2008, 01:32 PM
I dont know how you all ae typing these big articles and even have time to go through that big and huge material really appricate all this :)

I just want an honest reply from everyone
Do anyone of you feel that if he/she would have been given sex education they would be a better person in any respect?

being more simple
Do anyone of you think that they miss sex education in there life?

i hope this will answer most of our questions. :D

brahmtewatia
December 9th, 2008, 01:39 PM
I dont know how you all ae typing these big articles and even have time to go through that big and huge material really appricate all this :)

I just want an honest reply from everyone
Do anyone of you feel that if he/she would have been given sex education they would be a better person in any respect?

being more simple
Do anyone of you think that they miss sex education in there life?

i hope this will answer most of our questions. :DAsk those who suffered cos they didn't got it. They might be dead or must be cursing their very existence... i hope this answers you best nd in your words this answers most of the questions. If you want more go through the complete thread, I am sure somewhere you will find your answer .

Nishantrathi82
December 9th, 2008, 01:42 PM
I dont know how you all ae typing these big articles and even have time to go through that big and huge material really appricate all this :)

I just want an honest reply from everyone
Do anyone of you feel that if he/she would have been given sex education they would be a better person in any respect?

being more simple
Do anyone of you think that they miss sex education in there life?

i hope this will answer most of our questions. :D


Kindly see the voting progress it might tell u the answer.

shweta123
December 9th, 2008, 03:00 PM
I dont know how you all ae typing these big articles and even have time to go through that big and huge material really appricate all this :)

I just want an honest reply from everyone
Do anyone of you feel that if he/she would have been given sex education they would be a better person in any respect?

being more simple
Do anyone of you think that they miss sex education in there life?

i hope this will answer most of our questions. :D
Now there is no universal subject imparting sex education officially.
Fine? :rolleyes:

But do we understand that times have changed a lot and is changing at much increased speed. The word ‘sex’ has traveled from locked doors to open drawing rooms !



Can we again achieve the situation where this term becomes a hush hush term again? We can censor things appearing on television to an extent, but can we curb the use of easily accessible Internet at all ? Can we curb all those newer ways of communication through which this term is entering in the mind of small kids?

If this word enters in their mind from various sources, will they escape from the curiosity to know more ? What and how will they gather information ? From where we gathered information and from where they can gather –do you see the difference?

Social environment especially in metro cities – hasn’t been a deep-seated change there?

Is your kid safe at any age level from the dirty pigs wandering around (many of which became sex maniacs when they wandered for such information and found themselves landed in the ugly world of dirty sex articles, cheap MMS and videos, and what not ! Everyone has a idea that such world exist and is growing in heaps & bounds !

Mobile phones – cheap and accessible ! A normal kid now asks for a mobile even before completing his 10th ! And parents are giving it to them ! They get a question in mind, wont they ring up the one they find close and discuss it? Is it acceptable to you as a parent regarding what he gets as an answer ?

Ours was a society with joint family system or at least a system where neighbours cared about each other. What is it today? Parents are out for service or busy somehow, a kid often grows with irresponsible maids around, liberty is available at ease, how do you think he is in safer hands? If the mother is a housewife, then also he spends lots of time in school where many different kind of kids with different background are there ! To what extent you can go to protect your kid? Simple way out, let him be informed and not fall out for stupid discussions and experiments !

We should realize the aftermath of this INEVITABLE massive change !

brahmtewatia
December 9th, 2008, 03:50 PM
[Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago]

Nice write-up Shweta. Taking a clue from your signatures, I would like to re-produce few lines from my earlier post


at the same time a bigger task lie ahead of parents, they have to ensure a reasonable level of openness right from very beginning while handling such a trivial issue… upto what levels is again a personal perspective that has to take care of necessary comfort level of the siblings. (explained above). share and discuss it with yr child, it will help them at each and every step in the long run… remember parents are the best teachers... it reminds me of a very nice quote i read some time back…

I am the Child. All the world waits for my coming. All the earth watches with interest to see what I shall become. Civilization hangs in the balance, for what I am, the world of tomorrow will be. I am the Child. You hold in your hand my destiny. You determine, largely, whether I shall succeed or fail. Give me, I pray you, those things that make for happiness. Train me, I beg you, that I may be a blessing to the World. – Mamie Gene Colehe(she) is tomorrow… he(she) is the future we are working for… he(she) is part of the world’s most important generation. our generation must love them and win his(her) generation. his(her) generation in turn will determine whether it was worth doing.

i’ll try (if i can) to bring few lessons, being a part of sex-education program that is prevailing in this part of the world… i’ve asked my friends having elder siblings, to give those lessons to me… watch out !!!... to be continued !!!

P.S. : Watch out for those lessons, i got them... you'll surely have a feel of sex-education being imparted in this part of the world. Not much, but it will give you an idea upto what level you can share with your child and at what age.

jitendershooda
December 9th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Issue 2:

Bhaisaheb, for sure, the subject was/is intended for sex education among kids, however there is a big need especially in India for even adults to get this education. In all my fairness, I must confess that it will be stupid on my part if I deny your apprehensions on the increase of teenage pregnancies, if the so called "safe days" are made aware to the teenagers. In totality, I see a mixed response in your posts. On one hand you seem to be in favour of it, while on the other hand you are in total opposition. However, what I conclude from your thoughts is that you might be in its favour, but not at an early age... please correct me if I am wrong.

The reason I quoted the example "safe days" was to bring forth the point that even people who have the basic education are also not aware on various sex related issues... hence, quoting the example of one of my acquaintances. Now coming to your apprehensions, I am sure that you would appreciate that these safe days can be correct in 90% of the cases, obviously exceptions are always there. If you agree on this, then obviously it implies that it will not lead to increase in teenage pregnancies. correct ? Instead, it will surely see a reduction, as the teenagers are now well educated. Now coming to the experimentation part... wo to tab se hi lagoo ho jata hai when a particular teenager first tasted this classic forbidden fruit syndrome.

What I mean to say is that all these teenagers who have already experimented are very smart and well aware of all the consequences... in fact they are well aware of SAFE DAYS. My logic was to tell, and this holds good for those who are on the verge of tasting this...$%#@*(&)>??... hope that clarifies my stand. :)

.......... more to follow !

Your reasoning too is very much justified and holds very firm ground, but that is just an assumption/apprehension or a premonition of things about to come... but if you take into consideration the overall package ;) you will see a justification in my reasoning.


Tewatia Bhai Saab ... first thing I wish to point here is that the poll results are of not much significance. Why? because you have not stated all the things that you want in favour of 'YES' and I feel that many of the people who have voted for 'Yes' will disagree you on many of the points and many of the people who have said 'NO' like me would be agree with you on some. So its a mix and match in terms of polling on this thread.

When you say is there any change required in the curriculum to cover some more things looking at present scenerio then I will say YES but when you say that we will teach the small kids THIS education then I will say NO. Or it may be the case that I may agree with some of your points.

But sorry to say that till now none of the points are too convincing to agree. I am not the expert and can only speak of my mind at present time. It may be the case that tomorrow by reading the thoughts of you people I can get some of mine rectified.

But please put some solutions and inclusions that you wish. Jib iss bare mein baat karan lag-ge to jhijhak kyun hai .... come up with FAQs you will include to let small kids study .... come up with the material that you want small kids to go through ... One of my friend who have voted for YES was also not agree to teach such usage things at earlier stages. SO please clear the picture first. Then we can go ahead for a healthy discussion ... eeb to adhey naam naam sunke kahe rahe sein yes no ....

Bhai mere teenage pregnancy .... and safe days .... I agree that these have some link and it may reduce to some level. But I also say that telling this will increase the overall physical experience percentage for the small kids. They will try .... eeb to adhey darte na karte ek kade dikkat baith jya ... er doosri baat ... aapne poori facilities sein nahi ... er balak lukh-chip ke milein se mauka dekh ke .... koe ghar ne konya ... aajya ... er pher iss tem mein we nue na dekhey ek contraceptives sein ek na ... er 10-11 din se ek 7-8 .... nue ee janenge ek le mauka mil rahya se ....
Also by advocating teenage pregnancies I feel we are ignoring the facts that in India they are more due to lack of education/dropouts/lack of means of earning/gareebi .... and keeping all these and teaching this education at lower levels will not do .... that is what i feel.

Also I feel that the resultant education should be a mix of moral ancient indian teachings of sanyam, then at level there should be some behavioural education, biologically we can address in a better way, psycological also, restriction on media ... we can restrict media also. .... so I feel the exact thing will not be called as sex education et all.

In one of the posts one of the members have pointed that students are watching sites ...etc .... mein nue kahun sun ek un bawlyan ne site dekhan ki jarurat ee konya ... samachar ee dekh lyo ... rakhi sanwant ke jhatke te we hey dikha denge ... jee kharab karan ne ... so better to remove the problems in our society first ... rohtak mein jake dekh lyo ... cinema halls ke nude posters kaise khulleaam lalcha rahe hein bachon ko ... aise mein to aap yun chah rahe hein ki let them have this education and enjoy sex life in full since very beginning ....

Ek simple example .... what do you think ... should masturbation be taught to them ... how should one do? Whether he should do or not? What do you feel are side affects or not? Here Indians say (Satyarthparkash - Dayanand ji have condemned this practice too much by telling the wrongs and problems that may arise because of this .... that after reading ek yuva kae mahinya tahi na kare yo kaam) ... but on the other hand doctors of say western thoughts say that it doesnt have any affect on students ... ek glass pani ka pee lyo ek kami poori ...

shweta123
December 9th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Yes, you are right. Its better now to write about the following:

1) What should be there in the curriculum?
2) Which class should get what?



This question has emerged again and again ! Though its not our work to decide the curriculum and at what level, but let me name some topics if this is so important :

1- Attaining Puberty - a part of growing up process
2- Knowledge about the functioning of few body parts and changes in body
3- Overview of human sexual behaviour
4- Meaning of sex/sexual pleasure
5- Need for sex
6- Moral Behavior vis-a-vis sexual behaviour
7- Sexuality and contraception
8- Correct usage of contraceptives
9- Sexually transmitted diseases/infections - preventive measures
10-Sexual orientation
11-Sexual Ethics
12-Safe Sex
13-Pre marital sex and its dark side.
14-Reproduction and reproductive health (Fertilisation, development of embryo & child birth)
15-Parenting
16-Family Planning
17-Masturbation
18-Teenage Pregnancy
19-AIDS
20-Child Abuse
21-Relationships
22-Decision making !
23-Say NO at right time
24-Girls beware - learn to handle deceitful men
25-Handling unwarranted excitement/arousal
26-Abstinence from sex before marriage - a wonderful approach !
27-Women's reproductive and sexual rights
28-Sexual evils/abuse - know where to draw the line
29-Unmarried youths - don't get swayed away !
30-Abortion - the ifs & buts
31-How to reject sexual advances
32-Morality vis-a-vis Sexuality

And dont you think that the ones in blue give it an Indian approach :rolleyes:

shweta123
December 9th, 2008, 04:01 PM
. come up with the material that you want small kids to go through ...
Lo ab topics to aa gaye hain kuch ..... aur bas apne aap se ye puchiye ki kya aajkal ke environment me bachho ko safely palte badhte dekhne ke liye unko kuch in cheezo ka gyan hona jaruri hai ya nahi?

Kya ho agar wo kuch maansik roop se grahnit logo ke samaprk me aaye to? aap har jagah unke saath nahi ja sakte...... aap kuch ek do term ko kyo sochte ho .... baaki pehly bhi dekhiye ....

shweta123
December 9th, 2008, 04:04 PM
In one of the posts one of the members have pointed that students are watching sites ...etc .... mein nue kahun sun ek un bawlyan ne site dekhan ki jarurat ee konya ... samachar ee dekh lyo ... rakhi sanwant ke jhatke te we hey dikha denge ... jee kharab karan ne ... so better to remove the problems in our society first ... rohtak mein jake dekh lyo ... cinema halls ke nude posters kaise khulleaam lalcha rahe hein bachon ko ... aise mein to aap yun chah rahe hein ki let them have this education and enjoy sex life in full since very beginning ....


Ye to khud hi himmayat ho gayi is tarah ki education dene ke liye :)

Bachho ko AADHI ADHURI jaankaari se hum rok hi nahi sakte .... to kyo na unko poori jaankaari de aur bhartiya parivesh aur baahar ke desho ke parivesh me antar samjhaate hue unhe sahi raasta dikhaaye ....

jitendershooda
December 9th, 2008, 05:09 PM
This question has emerged again and again ! Though its not our work to decide the curriculum and at what level, but let me name some topics if this is so important :


And dont you think that the ones in blue give it an Indian approach :rolleyes:

According to me if we are discussing the things then it will be us only who will put these points too. Without clear points I dont think any point in taking this discussion further.

I appreciate that you have come up with this list. Also it would be nice if anyone of us can categorise at which point at what level.

brahmtewatia
December 9th, 2008, 06:04 PM
This question has emerged again and again ! Though its not our work to decide the curriculum and at what level, but let me name some topics if this is so important :

1- Attaining Puberty - a part of growing up process
2- Knowledge about the functioning of few body parts and changes in body
3- Overview of human sexual behaviour
4- Meaning of sex/sexual pleasure
5- Need for sex
6- Moral Behavior vis-a-vis sexual behaviour
7- Sexuality and contraception
8- Correct usage of contraceptives
9- Sexually transmitted diseases/infections - preventive measures
10-Sexual orientation
11-Sexual Ethics
...
...
31-How to reject sexual advances
32-Morality vis-a-vis Sexuality

And dont you think that the ones in blue give it an Indian approach :rolleyes:

Thanks Shweta for giving a meaningful twist/direction to the thread. Good job again ! :) until now we were predominantly dwelling on 'yes' or 'no'... good or bad. Here each point is worth carrying the discussion forward.

Generaly speaking, Jat's are considered to be very introvert and orthodox in their approach and thinking. Often times their name have been associated with"honour killings"... I am sure after going through this thread some might change their opinion. This might be a history in the making, as I request other worthy members to come forward and give a meaningful outcome to the subject. I am sure there are many, who until now have been complacent or may be shying away from the subject.

Just noticed that there is not even a single "NO" from any of the female members. Can we draw any conclusion(s) from this ? Wotsay on this ?

I might be out of touch on JL for quite some time, as I'm dying to see India again after 11 months. I am sure there are many worthy members who will carry the torch forward from both the perspectives. :)

choudharyneelam
December 9th, 2008, 09:48 PM
1) What should be there in the curriculum?
2) Which class should get what?

Your example was quite good and I feel here is where Mini was right when she said that "behavioural" aspect of this is missing. The teacher in the example handled it well.

And I agree with her when she said remove this word ... as this has created a hype and given substance to oppose it. Though if you will come up with details of the above two questions you will find that the exact solution is a mix of behavioural, biological and moral education and not only SEX education..

So, till now you were taking my replies in some other way:eek:. Many times I stated that Sex Educations is not just related with particular aspect of sex only. It includes lot many things which you repeated and Mini also stated. Why I didn't highlighted this behavioural, biological and moral education earlier....as I myself mean it that way only.....Its a mixture of all these aspects.

Now why it should be called SEX EDUCATION.....because, its focussing on the betterment of SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR mainly, alongwith many understandings of inter-related things. I know, Mini is a PGT (Biology) and very diligent in holding her responsibilities and performing various tasks. But, I just can't agree with her for the replacement of Sex word as if you all also thinking that way, then first stop using word like Love. Can u? or can you make unmature children understand what exactly a love feeling is? If they say that they love somebody, it can bring out many meaning as per the relationship.....if you can't deal with this word LOVE then definitely there is a problem to teach children what SEX EDUCATION is.

Many times when friends asked me.....Was I ever been in love? Then my counter question goes to them is....first explain what is love as per your dictionary. As my definition of love is different in my terms and I look it that way.

Shweta had provided many sensible topics that can be included in the curriculum, thou we all know that she is not going to frame/modify this curriculum. But, she really has done a great job what others can't do. Few more topics which I feel can be included are:

Phases of development
Individuality
Emotions
Yoga
Interests
Behaviour & personality
Family planning
Moral ethics
TRUTH

These above topics can be taught to the child of any age after 10 years as per the capacity of child.

Then this is not just specified for children only. Parents role also comes....Parents need to behave like friends with children when they feel that now its the age that a child can learn to hide some things/talks from them. Try to answer his/her every question when the child try/want to enquire/explore. Never call anything bad and stop the child in the very first step saying...ki ye buri baat hai, mat karo. Try to find out the feelings behind that a child came to you to ask that question or share something which he/she learnt from outside or from some other source. Very important......provide space to child to think and grow. Always keep an eye on child's activities.

Then teachers' role.....They need to be very frank, of modern temperament and must deal the situations to the best without insulting the child.

Child may go wrong, but its the support of all that can bring the same on right track, only if all remain active.

Parents these days think are busy in their own world only and children's development part is left upto schools/institutions where again very rare people care about. So, everytime the child has to commit the mistake and then learn it. Be it a mistake of getting into wrong relationships or keeping oneself away from those things thinking that I want to be pure and I don't want to know about these things untill I have to write answers.

shweta123
December 10th, 2008, 01:59 PM
A common joke amongst college goers :

A modern girl walks upto the cabin of her teacher & says "Mai exams me pass hone ke liye kuch bhi karungi .... kuch bhi ...."

Teacher : Kuch bhi ???? :rolleyes:
Girl: Haan ... kuch bhi ....
Teacher : Kuch bhi ????????? :cool:
Girl: Yeah ... !!
Teacher : sach me kuch bhi ..... :tamatar??????
Girl: bolaa naaaaaaa ....

Teacher: To padh le na beti :D

The Irony:

Indian Youth is shredding its values and morals like never before. India is struck in the middle .... hum beech me fas ke reh gaye hain : ek aur western countries ka khula maahol ... ek aur hamaari sabhyata .... kuch idhar jaate hain ... kuch udhar .... its not that we are at fault, its circumstances around that are posing problem.

Western countries have accepted all the freeness and openess in relations as well as sexual behaviour, but we dont wish to do so for the simple reason that we know our culture is exquisite !

However, we need to help the ones witnessing such circumstances which render them helpless as to 'what to do' and they often fall prey to the easy way out !

devdahiya
December 10th, 2008, 04:07 PM
Subject is so vast and 'N' number of inputs can be poured down but somehow i find it inappropriate to go beyond a certain stage of discussion,keeping in mind the sanctity of the site and diverse fraternity.I think most of us who are around on this site do understand this concept fairly well and hence i am of the opinion that we should pass on the right kind of inputs to the children in our own circle.



* Propriety demands it.

choudharyneelam
December 10th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Subject is so vast and 'N' number of inputs can be poured down but somehow i find it inappropriate to go beyond a certain stage of discussion,keeping in mind the sanctity of the site and diverse fraternity.I think most of us who are around on this site do understand this concept fairly well and hence i am of the opinion that we should pass on the right kind of inputs to the children in our own circle.



* Propriety demands it.

I agree with your every word.

:)

sunitahooda
December 13th, 2008, 09:11 PM
ke decide hoya fer:)to be or not to be

PrashantHooda
December 13th, 2008, 10:48 PM
Learners say teachers always teach an outdated fashion in our classrooms. :)

sachinb
December 13th, 2008, 10:58 PM
Yog Shiksha ke upar Mohar laagi hai ji:rock


ke decide hoya fer:)to be or not to be

devdahiya
December 13th, 2008, 11:02 PM
Yog Shiksha ke upar Mohar laagi hai ji:rock



Hahahahshahahahahahaha........Mar gya hanss-2 kei mein tou.....Too good Sachin.

jitendershooda
December 15th, 2008, 06:49 PM
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Boy_raped_sisters_after_sex_lesson&in_article_id=444470&in_page_id=34#StartComments

A boy of 13 who raped his two younger sisters after watching a sex education film at school has been given three years youth custody.

The youngster's parents turned their son over to police after their daughters revealed what happened two years after the attacks.
He told police he 'wanted to see what sex felt like' after seeing the video, York Crown Court heard.
The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, admitted rape.
The girls are now having counselling.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20081215/main6.htm

dkumars
December 15th, 2008, 07:02 PM
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Boy_raped_sisters_after_sex_lesson&in_article_id=444470&in_page_id=34#StartComments

A boy of 13 who raped his two younger sisters after watching a sex education film at school has been given three years youth custody.

The youngster's parents turned their son over to police after their daughters revealed what happened two years after the attacks.
He told police he 'wanted to see what sex felt like' after seeing the video, York Crown Court heard.
The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, admitted rape.
The girls are now having counselling.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20081215/main6.htm


Well, I dont know the details of this story but I guess there is a difference between sex education and watching a porn movie. This is what the boy admitted that 'wanted to see what sex felt like' but who knows this is true, may be just to escape he said that. Secondly, the age as most of the members suggested is around 16-18(high school). Thirdly, we should not generalize its pros and cons on the basis of a single example.

jitendershooda
December 15th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Well, I dont know the details of this story but I guess there is a difference between sex education and watching a porn movie. This is what the boy admitted that 'wanted to see what sex felt like' but who knows this is true, may be just to escape he said that. Secondly, the age as most of the members suggested is around 16-18(high school). Thirdly, we should not generalize its pros and cons on the basis of a single example.

Dont get blocked dear It was just to share being related to topic. :)

Actually Dev I havent read on this thread that age for this is suggested 16-18, willing to read the post.

dkumars
December 16th, 2008, 12:23 AM
Dont get blocked dear It was just to share being related to topic. :)

Actually Dev I havent read on this thread that age for this is suggested 16-18, willing to read the post.

Naa bhai jiiiii, I felt like if u r generalizing or substantiating the post(being frank here). So, I put my points. I beg ur pardon if u felt offended.

About the age... 16-18 ..... Well, bhai ji not to argue with u but I would like to court the posts and u also wished to see. Here, the age is hidden. I have written it in terms of years also I mentioned high school in brackets and ppl have mentioned it in terms of class/standard but I consider both are same... few of the posts and links are below.
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What i said was that in class 11th or 12th , one course is fine enough! One course , lets say even if you have one class a week , you can easily get 40 hours for this. That is no mean less time!

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=185887&postcount=12

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So much can be written on this important topic but i will restrict myself keeping in mind the diverse sentiments of worthy members on this very important yet very controversial issue. As per me right time for this kind of education is from 9th to 12th.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=185943&postcount=17

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2) Proper age to me is class 11th.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=185962&postcount=18

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am biology teacher teaching class X XI XII which are our traget classes for so called sex education...

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=189046&postcount=101

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Age is not the criteria but still if u teach them in 11-12th class these guys will grown up with that education too.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=189753&postcount=121

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please read my bold letters here. It is more required for the grown ups in todays scenerio. ..... I guess 11-12 guys could be considered as grown ups

http://www.jatland.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=191077

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Bhai ji these are few of the posts where ppl mntioned 9-12 std students shud be taught sex education and i guess in India they fall around 16-18 or plus minus 1 of age.

dkumars
December 16th, 2008, 12:23 AM
A common joke amongst college goers :

A modern girl walks upto the cabin of her teacher & says "Mai exams me pass hone ke liye kuch bhi karungi .... kuch bhi ...."

Teacher : Kuch bhi ???? :rolleyes:
Girl: Haan ... kuch bhi ....
Teacher : Kuch bhi ????????? :cool:
Girl: Yeah ... !!
Teacher : sach me kuch bhi ..... :tamatar??????
Girl: bolaa naaaaaaa ....

Teacher: To padh le na beti :D

The Irony:

Indian Youth is shredding its values and morals like never before. India is struck in the middle .... hum beech me fas ke reh gaye hain : ek aur western countries ka khula maahol ... ek aur hamaari sabhyata .... kuch idhar jaate hain ... kuch udhar .... its not that we are at fault, its circumstances around that are posing problem.

Western countries have accepted all the freeness and openess in relations as well as sexual behaviour, but we dont wish to do so for the simple reason that we know our culture is exquisite !

However, we need to help the ones witnessing such circumstances which render them helpless as to 'what to do' and they often fall prey to the easy way out !

Bahut sahiiiiii ... yehi hi problem hai .. dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka naa ghat ka

shweta123
December 16th, 2008, 11:04 AM
A boy of 13 who raped his two younger sisters after watching a sex education film at school has been given three years youth custody.

The youngster's parents turned their son over to police after their daughters revealed what happened two years after the attacks.
He told police he 'wanted to see what sex felt like' after seeing the video, York Crown Court heard.
The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, admitted rape.
The girls are now having counselling.



Few comments from the link you provided :

1- This is the result of poor parenting and supervision NOT watching a sex education video in school

2- By making it out to be something taboo we are actually teaching our children the opposite of what we should be teaching. We are making sex seem mysterious and more interesting

3- It's what the government wants to make out of our children, sex education at an early age - this is the result of it.

First two says yes to such education and the third one says no. But reading these statements with a cool head gives a clear impression that the first two comments are based on some contentions which cant be denied but the 3rd comment seems to be judgmental.

Anyways, few points to be noted :

1- The boy got access to such video - access to such things is not at all a big task ! And nobody can curtail all means to such access at each and every point of time, especially in our country !

2- The boy was 13 years old - any child of this age group knows quite well that there exists a thing (taboo sort of) called sex.

3- He said that he 'wanted to see what sex felt like' - what ways out he had at his disposal at that point of time ? - To do it and see what it is/to abstain from it.

My view :

Imagine a normal child from Delhi or any metro city. He has access to television, cherishes movies and remain updated about the recent movie releases as is common nowadays, has access to internet and also he has a group of like minded friends at school.

No sex education in the school is being imparted.

At an age of 13, will he know what 'sex' is? I have no doubts! Wont he have ever come across any such scenes etc over TV or in movies? And if yes, wont have he thought that what this is and why his parents are shying off from talking over it?

A kid's mind is a bundle of curiosity ! It wanders till it gets answers to its questions in a way it understands !

He will approach his friends, whom, a child usually finds to be most close.

And you must have seen, usually children find lot of pride in presenting themselves as knowing any new thing coming their way for the first time ...

What if he gets in company of a child who himself has a distorted knowledge of such things, and lured by the will to show that how much he knows, he cooks up theories and present it in his own style? This might be less dangerous, but few kids are out of the ordinary, they really know much more and even succeed in having access to such things and also make such things accessible to other kids around ....

Growing circulation of MMS clips, uncensored magazines and such materials amongst school kids just speaks of their will to know more and in case this will is not being paid heed to, they will find their own way out. But they will, in their own ways !

And more often than not, these 'own ways' prove detrimental and fatal !

jitendershooda
December 16th, 2008, 03:16 PM
The Irony:

Indian Youth is shredding its values and morals like never before. India is struck in the middle .... hum beech me fas ke reh gaye hain : ek aur western countries ka khula maahol ... ek aur hamaari sabhyata .... kuch idhar jaate hain ... kuch udhar .... its not that we are at fault, its circumstances around that are posing problem.

Western countries have accepted all the freeness and openess in relations as well as sexual behaviour, but we dont wish to do so for the simple reason that we know our culture is exquisite !

However, we need to help the ones witnessing such circumstances which render them helpless as to 'what to do' and they often fall prey to the easy way out !

So true!!!

jitendershooda
December 16th, 2008, 03:17 PM
Bhai ji these are few of the posts where ppl mntioned 9-12 std students shud be taught sex education and i guess in India they fall around 16-18 or plus minus 1 of age.

Thanks Dev!!!

minichaudhary
December 17th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Dear Members,
Before drawing any conclusion lets try to add few more facts to it..hope it will give a more clear picture of issue under discussion.
First of all lets make it clear our target age group is of adlosecent children of age group ranging from 15-24 yrs broadly.
Earlier it was suggested to remove sex from this word sex-education..because if we see the objectives and aims of "sex education".it is very beyond of "sex"..this is the education which also address following issues --
1. taking care of worries of growing ups.
2. Identity crisis among youth.
3. Problem in managing emotions.
4. Concern related to their body image
5. Relationship building
6. Peer pressure
7.Coping up with stree and emotions
8. Reproductive heatlth and related issues.

So..if we really wish to empower our target group with knowledge and awareness.then it is must to integrate all above said issues.
Better we call it Adolescence Education..which will include not only the factual knowledge of sex but it will also try to resolve to other problems which are more or less related to this problem.Because a child who is under pressure/stress/low self esteemed/ignored is more prone to indulge in wrong things.And only talking about sex can never help such a child.
The need of the hour is TO TALK WITH YOUTH.
Problem with we people are that we under estimate our children...They are more bright and energetic then our expectations.They are curious.they do want to know..but supressing their curiousty make them nothing but only misguided and ignorant youth which is disatrous for society.
And these things cant be accomplished only by changing syllabus..Its the rsponsibilty of all those who are in a capacity to influence children in any way.
Here are few sugggestions how we can help/support to our children.
1.Talk with them.
2.To ask is their right.Dont shun them,
3.Encourage them to discuss about their day routine,their friends.If he/she is going wrong some where u will notice it.
4.Improve your relation.Give them space and support and they all will be yours.
5.Talk not about sex but RESPONSIBLE SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR.

MAKE THEM REALIZE ABOUT PRE-MARITAL SEX'S SOCIAL,MENTAL AND PHYSICAL ILL EFFECTS AND SUGGEST THEM TO WAIT TILL THEY GET ENOUGH MATURE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBLITY OF THEIR SEXUAL ACT.

We can not keep an eye on our children every time but we can make them enough confident and aware that they can decide what is wrong or right for them.

abhilashjat
December 17th, 2008, 09:01 PM
discussing sex education on an exclusive jat site is like entering to d hornets nest...jat ppl i guess r d one of d most stubborn ppl ...they cant give up their irrational ideas abt caste chauvinism...gender bias and sex education r things which majority of them never accept....but i earnestly appreciate ppl clamouring out here 4 sex education...atleast they will make some differences in their ambit:rock

VivekGathwala
December 18th, 2008, 03:28 AM
This discussion will be the life long thing
but what i personally think that it should be taught in schools cause in indian traditions we wont discuss topics like this at home.... we still are very reserve family .......yeh exceptions are always there ......but it should be taught to the child .....

and earlier also we learned about this in biological books so why not this
school boards have to start this course for the children

shweta123
December 18th, 2008, 09:51 AM
Dear Members,
Before drawing any conclusion lets try to add few more facts to it..hope it will give a more clear picture of issue under discussion.
First of all lets make it clear our target age group is of adlosecent children of age group ranging from 15-24 yrs broadly.
Earlier it was suggested to remove sex from this word sex-education..because if we see the objectives and aims of "sex education".it is very beyond of "sex"..this is the education which also address following issues --
1. taking care of worries of growing ups.
2. Identity crisis among youth.
3. Problem in managing emotions.
4. Concern related to their body image
5. Relationship building
6. Peer pressure
7.Coping up with stree and emotions
8. Reproductive heatlth and related issues.

So..if we really wish to empower our target group with knowledge and awareness.then it is must to integrate all above said issues.
Better we call it Adolescence Education..which will include not only the factual knowledge of sex but it will also try to resolve to other problems which are more or less related to this problem.Because a child who is under pressure/stress/low self esteemed/ignored is more prone to indulge in wrong things.And only talking about sex can never help such a child.
The need of the hour is TO TALK WITH YOUTH.
Problem with we people are that we under estimate our children...They are more bright and energetic then our expectations.They are curious.they do want to know..but supressing their curiousty make them nothing but only misguided and ignorant youth which is disatrous for society.
And these things cant be accomplished only by changing syllabus..Its the rsponsibilty of all those who are in a capacity to influence children in any way.
Here are few sugggestions how we can help/support to our children.
1.Talk with them.
2.To ask is their right.Dont shun them,
3.Encourage them to discuss about their day routine,their friends.If he/she is going wrong some where u will notice it.
4.Improve your relation.Give them space and support and they all will be yours.
5.Talk not about sex but RESPONSIBLE SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR.

MAKE THEM REALIZE ABOUT PRE-MARITAL SEX'S SOCIAL,MENTAL AND PHYSICAL ILL EFFECTS AND SUGGEST THEM TO WAIT TILL THEY GET ENOUGH MATURE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBLITY OF THEIR SEXUAL ACT.

We can not keep an eye on our children every time but we can make them enough confident and aware that they can decide what is wrong or right for them.
Nicely presented ! :)

Meenakshi ji you are absolutely true in saying that the today's youth needs lot of elderly attention !

Never before had the youth faced such a tough time deciding for himself, what is the right thing when he see so many people behaving in their own ways claiming their ways to be the best.

Peer pressure & identity crisis amongst the youth is like never before.

Nowadays, it starts from the school and stays on for life. There is a race in all fields, be it be in fetching better grades, or carrying themselves in a trendy mode, and then obviously, the mad rush for securing for themselves a worthy career ! There are unlimited options that can be exercised but the resources are limited - they need to limit their needs according to their parental pockets :o

And then the age factor - adolescence is a age where lies the foundation of whole of the life and this is the age which witnesses steep highs & lows in physical, mental as well as social aspects.

They need proper and friendly guidance - a slight negligence towards any of their needs can prove fatal !

jitendershooda
December 18th, 2008, 04:53 PM
Before drawing any conclusion lets try to add few more facts to it..hope it will give a more clear picture of issue under discussion.
First of all lets make it clear our target age group is of adlosecent children of age group ranging from 15-24 yrs broadly.
Earlier it was suggested to remove sex from this word sex-education..because if we see the objectives and aims of "sex education".it is very beyond of "sex"..this is the education which also address following issues --
1. taking care of worries of growing ups.
2. Identity crisis among youth.
3. Problem in managing emotions.
4. Concern related to their body image
5. Relationship building
6. Peer pressure
7.Coping up with stree and emotions
8. Reproductive heatlth and related issues.

So..if we really wish to empower our target group with knowledge and awareness.then it is must to integrate all above said issues.
Better we call it Adolescence Education..which will include not only the factual knowledge of sex but it will also try to resolve to other problems which are more or less related to this problem.Because a child who is under pressure/stress/low self esteemed/ignored is more prone to indulge in wrong things.And only talking about sex can never help such a child.
The need of the hour is TO TALK WITH YOUTH.
Problem with we people are that we under estimate our children...They are more bright and energetic then our expectations.They are curious.they do want to know..but supressing their curiousty make them nothing but only misguided and ignorant youth which is disatrous for society.
And these things cant be accomplished only by changing syllabus..Its the rsponsibilty of all those who are in a capacity to influence children in any way.
Here are few sugggestions how we can help/support to our children.
1.Talk with them.
2.To ask is their right.Dont shun them,
3.Encourage them to discuss about their day routine,their friends.If he/she is going wrong some where u will notice it.
4.Improve your relation.Give them space and support and they all will be yours.
5.Talk not about sex but RESPONSIBLE SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR.

MAKE THEM REALIZE ABOUT PRE-MARITAL SEX'S SOCIAL,MENTAL AND PHYSICAL ILL EFFECTS AND SUGGEST THEM TO WAIT TILL THEY GET ENOUGH MATURE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBLITY OF THEIR SEXUAL ACT.

We can not keep an eye on our children every time but we can make them enough confident and aware that they can decide what is wrong or right for them.

Nicely put Meenakshi Ji.

sachinb
February 6th, 2009, 12:15 PM
So where we are on this topic,,,, :D

anilsangwan
February 6th, 2009, 12:26 PM
I have not posted on this thread till date but I was reading all the replies and opinions of worthy members.

From my side, I guess Sex education should be provided. But proper means, proper selection of candidates based on their age, proper training material, proper courseware etc are so many points whcih should be pondered upon before taking it to implementation. If implemented wrongly or without proper planning, it can be desasterous !!

downtoearth
February 9th, 2009, 05:46 AM
I have not posted on this thread till date but I was reading all the replies and opinions of worthy members.

no replies from the owner of the thread...:eek: i think mr bharam is in India now a days.....;)

bagamalik
February 11th, 2009, 03:25 PM
good it is well study

Dear Members,
Before drawing any conclusion lets try to add few more facts to it..hope it will give a more clear picture of issue under discussion.
First of all lets make it clear our target age group is of adlosecent children of age group ranging from 15-24 yrs broadly.
Earlier it was suggested to remove sex from this word sex-education..because if we see the objectives and aims of "sex education".it is very beyond of "sex"..this is the education which also address following issues --
1. taking care of worries of growing ups.
2. Identity crisis among youth.
3. Problem in managing emotions.
4. Concern related to their body image
5. Relationship building
6. Peer pressure
7.Coping up with stree and emotions
8. Reproductive heatlth and related issues.

So..if we really wish to empower our target group with knowledge and awareness.then it is must to integrate all above said issues.
Better we call it Adolescence Education..which will include not only the factual knowledge of sex but it will also try to resolve to other problems which are more or less related to this problem.Because a child who is under pressure/stress/low self esteemed/ignored is more prone to indulge in wrong things.And only talking about sex can never help such a child.
The need of the hour is TO TALK WITH YOUTH.
Problem with we people are that we under estimate our children...They are more bright and energetic then our expectations.They are curious.they do want to know..but supressing their curiousty make them nothing but only misguided and ignorant youth which is disatrous for society.
And these things cant be accomplished only by changing syllabus..Its the rsponsibilty of all those who are in a capacity to influence children in any way.
Here are few sugggestions how we can help/support to our children.
1.Talk with them.
2.To ask is their right.Dont shun them,
3.Encourage them to discuss about their day routine,their friends.If he/she is going wrong some where u will notice it.
4.Improve your relation.Give them space and support and they all will be yours.
5.Talk not about sex but RESPONSIBLE SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR.

MAKE THEM REALIZE ABOUT PRE-MARITAL SEX'S SOCIAL,MENTAL AND PHYSICAL ILL EFFECTS AND SUGGEST THEM TO WAIT TILL THEY GET ENOUGH MATURE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBLITY OF THEIR SEXUAL ACT.

We can not keep an eye on our children every time but we can make them enough confident and aware that they can decide what is wrong or right for them.

bagamalik
February 11th, 2009, 03:45 PM
I think sex education is important for better understanding what is that.
Though most parents feel that it is important for them to discuss sexuality with their children (one survey found that 80 percent of parents felt it was their responsibility to do so), there can be obstacles in their path. Many parents are simply uncomfortable discussing sexuality and so postpone or avoid doing so. They may never have discussed sexuality with their own parents, and therefore lack appropriate role models. Parents may also perceive themselves as unprepared or too ignorant to discuss sexuality. While other parents may feel comfortable talking about sexuality with their children, they may discuss it only when the child brings it up. Sometimes parents say they are unsure of what kind of information is appropriate to their child's particular age. This can become a way to avoid the issue: Younger children may be assumed to be "too young" and older children "know everything already."
In addition, parents can be confused by the diversity of sexual values and more that exist today and unsure of what they want to communicate to their children. They can be bewildered by the barrage of sexual messages in the media to which their children are exposed. For single parents who are themselves dating, the problem is compounded, for they must make decisions regarding their own sexual behavior, knowing that they act as role models for their children.

Recent national attention on child sexual abuse may also have an effect on parent-child communication. Educators are concerned that parents will discuss sexual abuse with their children out of a legitimate concern for their welfare, but will neglect to reinforce the fact that sexuality, overall, is a positive experience. Some parents have noted a reluctance to display physical affection for their children for fear that it will be interpreted as something more. On the other hand, some educators are finding that many parents are recognizing their role in sexual abuse prevention and are seeking out programs to improve their communication skills and become better equipped to deal with sexuality issues.

kuldeeppunia25
February 11th, 2009, 04:32 PM
I think sex education is important for better understanding what is that.
Though most parents feel that it is important for them to discuss sexuality with their children (one survey found that 80 percent of parents felt it was their responsibility to do so), there can be obstacles in their path. Many parents are simply uncomfortable discussing sexuality and so postpone or avoid doing so. They may never have discussed sexuality with their own parents, and therefore lack appropriate role models. Parents may also perceive themselves as unprepared or too ignorant to discuss sexuality. While other parents may feel comfortable talking about sexuality with their children, they may discuss it only when the child brings it up. Sometimes parents say they are unsure of what kind of information is appropriate to their child's particular age. This can become a way to avoid the issue: Younger children may be assumed to be "too young" and older children "know everything already."
In addition, parents can be confused by the diversity of sexual values and more that exist today and unsure of what they want to communicate to their children. They can be bewildered by the barrage of sexual messages in the media to which their children are exposed. For single parents who are themselves dating, the problem is compounded, for they must make decisions regarding their own sexual behavior, knowing that they act as role models for their children.

Recent national attention on child sexual abuse may also have an effect on parent-child communication. Educators are concerned that parents will discuss sexual abuse with their children out of a legitimate concern for their welfare, but will neglect to reinforce the fact that sexuality, overall, is a positive experience. Some parents have noted a reluctance to display physical affection for their children for fear that it will be interpreted as something more. On the other hand, some educators are finding that many parents are recognizing their role in sexual abuse prevention and are seeking out programs to improve their communication skills and become better equipped to deal with sexuality issues.

re bage,, sara page tha ke na chepya kar,,, ar sex shiksha jaruri se bahot jaruri se bimariyan te bachan khater,,,

sunitahooda
February 11th, 2009, 04:51 PM
We are on 5th chapter....you'll have to take tutions nw to cover up the rest of the class
So where we are on this topic,,,, :D

sunitahooda
March 10th, 2009, 10:55 AM
Moderators for last 2 days this thread is showing in LATEST POSTS with my reply which is about a month old:confused:

jitendershooda
March 10th, 2009, 11:01 AM
moderators for last 2 days this thread is showing in latest posts with my reply which is about a month old:confused:

तू क्यूँ सिर खुजावै है ... किसे नै बिना पोस्ट के वोट गेर दी होगी :)

narendersingh
March 10th, 2009, 11:18 PM
Aapkee baat sey mein sahmat hun BST mahodaya.It a big conspiracy to pollute our social structure,civilisation,moralethics nad values.We are in the transition face.Only few leaps are left.If we go to the other side,it will be impossible to come back.It's the right time to alert the young GEN.

pdpbeniwal
March 12th, 2009, 04:36 AM
So what conclusions and results have been drawn finally.....If someone who have been active all through this thread...may oblige us people(not active) by putting a conclusive report...

trueblueindian
March 12th, 2009, 08:17 PM
though i did not followed the whole topic but i strongly feel that there should be another option in the voting - that weather the parents should take the initiative to impart sex education to children, as i think that's the easiest route and one can also win over the child's confidence as well

my vote for this one is - YES

Nishantrathi82
March 13th, 2009, 10:10 AM
So what conclusions and results have been drawn finally.....If someone who have been active all through this thread...may oblige us people(not active) by putting a conclusive report...

I think voting results are enough to conclude as more than 70% people are in favour of Sex Education.

sachinb
March 13th, 2009, 11:11 AM
I think now we can start it on JL so that all can get benifited.


I think voting results are enough to conclude as more than 70% people are in favour of Sex Education.

vivektaliyan
March 13th, 2009, 02:01 PM
I think now we can start it on JL so that all can get benifited.


I don't think that any one need this type of education on JL.;)

I am surprised that there is one vote on can't say category..Mahan aatmaye shows their presence every time every where.:D:D:D:D

kapdal
March 13th, 2009, 03:35 PM
I think now we can start it on JL so that all can get benifited.

OK- Start.

vivektaliyan
March 13th, 2009, 04:55 PM
I think now we can start it on JL so that all can get benifited.

Pls start wating .....

anilsinghd
March 14th, 2009, 02:16 AM
Kind of an irrelevant post but I guess the author of the thread should come forward and conclude!

In any case , I miss the fiery Brahm on the site! Also the Brahm effect seems to go down as well on me!

Get back in form Sir !
:)

sachinb
June 12th, 2009, 06:19 PM
theek se bhai...kar diya "Start"


OK- Start.

skarmveer
June 13th, 2009, 10:23 AM
Jis desh kee aadhee say jayada janta unpadh ho wahan iska kitna ochitya hai aap sab gayanee log hee bata saktey hai. Arey gunee jano pahlay logo ko roj kam mey aaney wali sikhsha tey dey do fir is siksha ko bhee dey dena. Aadmee ko sukhi roti mil nahi rahi ho or pakvaan kee baat karey to uchit nahi hota.

aryasatyadev
June 13th, 2009, 07:47 PM
No need for sex education right now and certainly not in schools..... however all the children learns what they wanted to learn...... so don't be a guiding spirit and bring kamasutra to your home

anilsangwan
June 29th, 2009, 10:32 AM
के conclusion लिकड़या फेर इस थ्रेड का ? बतइयो कोई स्याणा सा माणस भाई ? करियो Summarize सा ........

poonam17
September 10th, 2009, 04:58 AM
Conclusion should be that sex education is the demand of the hour.

lalit_nashier
September 10th, 2009, 11:42 AM
After reading this thread for an hour, I am trying to put my thoughts in form of words.

Act: Sex Education

My questions:

- Forced [ It's compulsory :) ]
- Optional [ I can opt-out / opt-in]

Why:

1. Is it b/c children (general: human beings) are having unsafe sex and we
want to teach them safe sex ?
2. Is it b/c we want to prevent children (general: human beings) to have sex
before a certain age (say before marriage) ?
3. Is it b/c we can't achieve "above" (#2) mentioned thing that's why we
want to teach them safe sex ?
- Is it b/c ...... (no more ... lost in my mind somewhere,
[ all questions essentially refer to above points (Qs) ]


For whom:

- whoever can understand it ?
- some selected beings ? they need proper tuition b/c they are spreading (or may spread) diseases)
- whoever wants to (willing to) ?

How : (I don't really care "HOW" as long as somebody can teach logically and can make everything clear)

- no question


----------------

My Input =>


Best Teacher:

Parents (guardians)
[School teachers are also fine ( change in Education system ... hmmm ... lots of politics ... crap ... waste of time ) ] Some are one of those we don't support Sex Education.

I guess ppl (99%) here haven't told / taught their children (if applicable) anything about it (and vice versa ... never been told / taught).
Even when they know the right time (like child is going on dates and now is it the right time to tell him/ her. )

(This is the right time ... at least you got a start time)

At this point, there might be two (or many more) cases:

1. They clearly indicate that SEX is not allowed before marriage.
Though they can't force children, even if they do, children 'll do what they want to do (most of them if they really are upto doing it))
It requires parents to give their children strong moral character (IS IT CORRECT? How do we get it : Teaching (self or other) : Inherited : Random)

2. Or just tell 'em how to prevent yourself from diseases.
(Details as parents think are affordable (hehehe affordable) )
A father can tell / teach his son. (depends on father-son mutually understanding how much they can talk on this topic) and same for mother-daughter ...

[ Some parents just say: "Beta/ Beti please koi aisa kaam na kareyo jis se hamari ijat miti palet ho jaae" ] :)


Right age :

Parents can easily figure it out. (I think)
As an example ... I discussed it above.

Age may vary child to child. Some just need it right before marriage :) and I think at that point there is no need ... syllabi will change ... then they must be taught about family planning (related stuff) and many more ...


---------> Just like every other good & bad that parents tell / teach us (when required, if required) , at some point they should tell / teach us good & bad about sex too (Act is Sex Education) (when required, if required)

There is difference b/w teaching having good sex and safe sex
(intentions & reasoning are different)
Clearly meaning of Sex Education (syllabi) changes with AGE & Requirements.
(sure some "topics" might be common for "classes" with required modifications )
(As far as my understanding)


How many parents are planning to tell / teach their children ?
(sure, when required & if required)
OR
How many have taken required steps already ?

Teach your children ... they 'll teach theirs'.
[ I 'll mine ... as much as I can afford :) ]


ps: Please don't mind half (& improper) sentences. Not really any reason, just a request , just don't mind :) hehehehe :D

lalit_nashier
September 10th, 2009, 11:50 AM
Conclusion should be that sex education is the demand of the hour.

flavor of the month :)

karan
December 15th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Bhram
One of the best topic selected for discussion of all times. Please accept my gratitude for choosing a very relevant topic.

Little late on this subject-however, last I checked British School system has the best sex education syllabus. Sex education should be given early so as to take the mystic, rumors, half truths out of it. Sex education is not about intercourse but the progression of human body through its stages, when hormones become hyper active, responsibility during youth, decline in libido due to menopause (both male and female), and the psychological effect on person. It should be education not a license to cradle robbing. Nations that have well instructed sex education enjoy sex more have less resource crisis. What we have today is population explosion with no education. Look at two most populous nations in the world even worse are the cradle of peace loving religion.

Those of us who grew up in India before the advent of internet we all know we scoured sex education by reading smut novels, watching porn. It didn't teach us anything but sure as hell distorted our understanding.

karan
December 15th, 2009, 09:11 PM
के conclusion लिकड़या फेर इस थ्रेड का ? बतइयो कोई स्याणा सा माणस भाई ? करियो Summarize सा ........

Anil
Mere hisab tey yoh conclusion likda key Ek Sarv Khap Panchayat ka ayojan kiya jaye. Pher sabki rais lee jaye phesla leney key liye kuch aur research ki jaroorat hai.
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

brahmtewatia
December 16th, 2009, 04:07 AM
Bhram
One of the best topic selected for discussion of all times. Please accept my gratitude for choosing a very relevant topic.

Little late on this subject-however, last I checked British School system has the best sex education syllabus. Sex education should be given early so as to take the mystic, rumors, half truths out of it. Sex education is not about intercourse but the progression of human body through its stages, when hormones become hyper active, responsibility during youth, decline in libido due to menopause (both male and female), and the psychological effect on person. It should be education not a license to cradle robbing. Nations that have well instructed sex education enjoy sex more have less resource crisis. What we have today is population explosion with no education. Look at two most populous nations in the world even worse are the cradle of peace loving religion.

Those of us who grew up in India before the advent of internet we all know we scoured sex education by reading smut novels, watching porn. It didn't teach us anything but sure as hell distorted our understanding.tks karan sir !

i know you wud have added your valuable opinion on the subject, nevertheless your 2 cents sums up the issue pretty well.

the issue recd. reasonable good response, with 10,000 reads, 200 post responses nd over 100 polls. some of the posts were remarkably good... i thank all participating members for their valuable inputs.

the thread was started almost an year back nd the discussion(s) expired pretty long back. [tks lalit for your sum-up as well]. i am wondering as to why the thread is still being kept open ? on this note, can i request moderators to close the thread.

sanjaymalik
February 9th, 2010, 03:12 PM
Dear all who are advocating sex education please see the result of open culture and sex educated peoples in overseas countries specially in UK. I think society has became highly advanced.
London: A new survey has made a shocking discovery that schoolgirls as young as ten are getting pregnant.
A ‘Freedom of Information’ survey conducted by the Sun shows that in the last eight years, 15 girls of ten and 39 aged 11 were found to be expecting. Also, around 300 aged 13 or under get pregnant every year in England and Wales. And since 2002 there have been 63,487 pregnancies among under-15s almost 23 every day.
Sociology Professor Frank Furedi, from the University of Kent, said the figures were “tragic”. He said: “They show the consequences of the sexualisation of childhood.”
Also, Norman Wells, of the Family Education Trust, added: “There are far too many schools telling children they are entitled to become sexually active when it is “right for them’’.”
Anastasia de Waal, of the
British think tank Civitas, said, “We have kids behaving as adults, not realising the complications. “Often the girls feel they have to have sex to please their older boyfriends.”
The youngest girl reported to be pregnant in the UK gave birth aged 12. ANI

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOINEW/navigator.asp?Daily=CAP&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI

sukharam
July 6th, 2010, 06:54 PM
not only schools but also at home we should tell about it our children.

narwal0001
September 6th, 2010, 04:57 PM
sex k bare sch. me jarur btana chahiye isse students me jagrukta paida hogi..... mera to ye maanna hai k universities me sex education k liye alag se department hona chahiye jisse sara samaj is bare me jagruk ho sake

prashantacmet
September 6th, 2010, 05:16 PM
sex k bare sch. me jarur btana chahiye isse students me jagrukta paida hogi..... mera to ye maanna hai k universities me sex education k liye alag se department hona chahiye jisse sara samaj is bare me jagruk ho sake
Interesting!!...........very interesting!!

narwal0001
September 6th, 2010, 09:00 PM
Conclusion should be that sex education is the demand of the hour.



intersting ......
intersting......
.....

paramjeet0001
September 7th, 2010, 12:00 AM
sex k bare sch. me jarur btana chahiye isse students me jagrukta paida hogi..... mera to ye maanna hai k universities me sex education k liye alag se department hona chahiye jisse sara samaj is bare me jagruk ho sake



ghani badhiya baat bol gaya bhai, unvercities me inka alag se deparment ho is baat se me sahmat hu or aapke sath hu ....

prashantacmet
September 7th, 2010, 11:32 AM
ghani badhiya baat bol gaya bhai, unvercities me inka alag se deparment ho is baat se me sahmat hu or aapke sath hu ....
Hambee...arr gine ginaye 400-500 kothhe ho university main practical karan khaatar.....pehlam theory ki class arr uss paachhe practical kothhe main.......kyoun naassh ke peeche laag re..datt jaao..........