Jat unity

[Fateh]

It is well known fact that strongest force lies in the unity among poeple of any family,village, organisation, institution, state, nation, society or any community etc. unity provides automaticaly all type of security(social,economical&physical), it provides help including out side help, directly or indirectly, it gives happiness, removes fear & gives strength. It is also a fact that to bring poeple together & keep them together, any thing comman among those poeple helps lot. The comman dresses, practices, traditions, sirnames, celebrations, cultural & religious practices are visible every where including in the most advanced & globlefamilies societies/religions/communities/organisations/intitutions. Having a comman identity has lot of advantages & that is why Guru Govind Singh ji gave five comman identities to Khalsas. Thinking about comman factors & asking suggestions for any community/ nation/ organisation/ family etc is not at all amounts to going in the past or a sign of backwardness. Infact for last about 45 years I am also trying my best to findout some comman practices for the community, but so far couldnot be done. Thus, I request all my brothers at JL to suggest some comman practices for the community. I am really impressed & grateful to mr pawan kumar for his an important thread on the subject. Sorry brother, I couldnot contribute because I only openned the thread when it was closed. Let us try again for any comman practice including wishing to eachother among the poeple of our community. Jai Bajrang Bali, Jai Srikrishan, Jai Shivsombhoo, Jai Sita Ram, Jai Bhole Nath, Jai Hind, Ram Ram

[devdahiya]

Jat ekta ka sapna ek tedhhi kheer nirali hei
Ye amrit rass ka jaam nahin,jeher bhari ek pyali hei

Raja saare Jat soch ke,parjja ki kanggali hei
Bhali baat bhi in veeron ko lagti motti gaali hei

Alag-2 ye pitt te aaye,seekha nahin jammane se
Millati nahi hei inko fursat kach heri aur thane se
Inki kheti khudd hoti hei,koi na inka maali hei
Ye.................

Nahin samajh mein aaya ab tak,kaisse inko ek kruun
Baddi tammanna hei iss dil mein,samajh na aaye kya mein karrun
Agar dawwai mille Fateh tou ..mangge ek sawwali hei
Ye.....................

[Fateh]

My dear dev, your response gives me positive indication that jat unity is possible. In 1956 in my school I was told by my teacher sh prabudayal that even if you can influance one person by your point of view, you have achieved your aim. After reading your feelings I feel satisfied. My desire is limited. thanks for your cocern & cotribution. Regards

[VivekGathwala]

Jat ekta ka sapna ek tedhhi kheer nirali hei
Ye amrit rass ka jaam nahin,jeher bhari ek pyali hei

Raja saare Jat soch ke,parjja ki kanggali hei
Bhali baat bhi in veeron ko lagti motti gaali hei

Alag-2 ye pitt te aaye,seekha nahin jammane se
Millati nahi hei inko fursat kach heri aur thane se
Inki kheti khudd hoti hei,koi na inka maali hei
Ye.................

Nahin samajh mein aaya ab tak,kaisse inko ek kruun
Baddi tammanna hei iss dil mein,samajh na aaye kya mein karrun
Agar dawwai mille Fateh tou ..mangge ek sawwali hei
Ye.....................
Dev sir , aap kavita likha karooo ..............
aapne jo kehna tha aapne vo sari chej 4 linooo main keh di

sir ispe or zor do .......really appreciate that sir



My dear dev, your response gives me positive indication that jat unity is possible. In 1956 in my school I was told by my teacher sh prabudayal that even if you can influance one person by your point of view, you have achieved your aim. After reading your feelings I feel satisfied. My desire is limited. thanks for your cocern & cotribution. Regards

fateh sir aap aage chate chaliyeee piche ki chinta na kare .......jahan jaat shab aagaya aankh band kar ke sath hoon

Regards
Vivek Gathwala

[Fateh]

We may like to consider the word-Parnam, for similar practice of wishing each other in our community. regards

[ravinderjeet]

namaste is the best word in this world to wish any body ,any time.it has been used since vedas time by our ancestors.morever there is no need to creat new word,

[Fateh]

Nameste or namaskar or any other word, aim is something one. It is welknown fact that any similar dress, name, fastiwal, habit of food etc,celebrations, other practices help to unite poeple. I am really disappointed to see the response from our brothers & sisters on the most important topic the unity. I again request to all to contribute & share your veiws freely, fronkly & logically

[skarmveer]

I think "Namh Shivay" is more apropriate for us because we are belongs to lord Shiva or called shivputra,s and otherwise also if we belive in Aryasamaj then their theory also said the supreem power is Shiv.

[rajivsp]

Ok lets assume all Jats are united, THEN.....

[sachinb]

Excellent assumption Rajiv bhai,,,,,,,,Maan liyaa ki hum United hain,,,,,ibb aagge ki Plan banauo:rock


Ok lets assume all Jats are united, THEN.....

[sunitahooda]

Do we have to ASSUME?or we are really united? or we seem to be united until an event comes that un-unite us:o
Excellent assumption Rajiv bhai,,,,,,,,Maan liyaa ki hum United hain,,,,,ibb aagge ki Plan banauo:rock

[sachinb]

nahi ji,,,,we have to assume first,,,,,Vo aapne mathematics padhate hue dekha hoga na,,,teacher nyu kaha karta ke "Maan lyo mere dhore 1 laakh rupeeye se:D",,,,,,,

jyaant pahlyaa ek be maan lyaa ke hum united saa


Do we have to ASSUME?or we are really united? or we seem to be united until an event comes that un-unite us:o

[skarmveer]

Jab logunite hotey hai to koi bhee samajik nirnaya aasanee say liyea ja sakta hai jaise Koi Dahej nahi lega, Sabhee aapney say kamjor kee madad karengey, Kuritiyeo say milkar lada ja sakta hai sab kee samuhik soch hogi to sabhee kathinaiuo ko aasanee say door kiya ja sakta hai. aalg-aalg rehker koi bhee burai door nahi kee ja sakti.


Excellent assumption Rajiv bhai,,,,,,,,Maan liyaa ki hum United hain,,,,,ibb aagge ki Plan banauo:rock

[NKharub]

jaat kabhi unity main nahin reh sakte......1 doosre ko dekh kar hi jalte hain ye.1 ko doosre ki khushi bardast nahin hoti.poora saal khet main passena bahate hain or fasal ko baniye or safai wale (chude -chamar) mandi main se aadhi kam kar dete hain.bada dukh hota hai ye sab sochkar.. muje wo lines yaad aa gyi....
e bhole kisan meri 2 baat maan le ........
1 bolna le sikh or duja dusman pehchan le !!!!!!!!:confused:

[shweta123]

Jab logunite hotey hai to koi bhee samajik nirnaya aasanee say liyea ja sakta hai jaise Koi Dahej nahi lega, Sabhee aapney say kamjor kee madad karengey, Kuritiyeo say milkar lada ja sakta hai sab kee samuhik soch hogi to sabhee kathinaiuo ko aasanee say door kiya ja sakta hai. aalg-aalg rehker koi bhee burai door nahi kee ja sakti.

Fir to har taraf khushiyaan hi khushiyaan hongi :rolleyes: - sukh ki nadhiya bahengi ..... kauwe bhi koyal ban jaayenge ...... koi kisi ko 'THEY' nahi kahega, koi kisi ka kuch kuch nahi sujhaayega/silwaayega, koi infraction nahi hoga, na hoga ban ..... aur to aur leg pulling naam ka sher prem ki maut mar jaayega ..... one liners/multi liners with NEGATIVE value waali posts mar jaayegi ..... :D


Agar aisa ho gaya to na duniya hogi, na Jatland - itni khushi ke liye human body programmed hi nahi hote :D:rock;)

[ajayverma1973]

Karamvirji

Devil's advocate is also required to achieve decided targets and I m sure he/SHE is also there on Jatland it self.



Fir to har taraf khushiyaan hi khushiyaan hongi :rolleyes: - sukh ki nadhiya bahengi ..... kauwe bhi koyal ban jaayenge ...... koi kisi ko 'THEY' nahi kahega, koi kisi ka kuch kuch nahi sujhaayega/silwaayega, koi infraction nahi hoga, na hoga ban ..... aur to aur leg pulling naam ka sher prem ki maut mar jaayega ..... one liners/multi liners with NEGATIVE value waali posts mar jaayegi ..... :D


Agar aisa ho gaya to na duniya hogi, na Jatland - itni khushi ke liye human body programmed hi nahi hote :D:rock;)

[skarmveer]

Bhai sabka aapna - 2 Chasma hai duniya dekhney ka, Hum to yahee chahtey hai kee sab eakjut rahey sab eak dusrey ka sammaan kerna jaaney or sab key sukh-dukh hum baant sakey.


Karamvirji

Devil's advocate is also required to achieve decided targets and I m sure he/SHE is also there on Jatland it self.

[shweta123]

Karamvirji

Devil's advocate is also required to achieve decided targets and I m sure he/SHE is also there on Jatland it self.
Oh you are Devil's Advocate - Thanx a lot you told us ! I was wondering why you enter into each & every thread just to spoil the things :p

You never discuss anything based on logics, every time you start with a :) icon & a 'Ji' and you end up looking like :eek:

he he ... i just mean that you follow some people so much so that you even poke your nossy into things (without knowing xyz & even A :D ) just coz a good member is saying something on that & now its your moral duty to say the opposite :mad:

Dont mind - coz to mind there has to be a ........ anyways, your post settles all- Devil's Advocate :rock

[skarmveer]

Aap jo chahey so keh sakti hai aapkey aapney vichar hai mujhey koi virodh nahi hai per meiney to aapnee taraf say wo hee likha hai jo mein sochta hun.

Mein shakal say sunder nahi hun isliyea baat hamesha sunder karna chahta hun per yea meree badkismati hai ko logo ko vo bhee pasand nahi aati.

Hamey to Bhagwan ney her paristithi mein khush rehney key liyea programme kiya hai yea baat alag hai kee hum bina baat bhee dukhi rehtey hai.


Fir to har taraf khushiyaan hi khushiyaan hongi :rolleyes: - sukh ki nadhiya bahengi ..... kauwe bhi koyal ban jaayenge ...... koi kisi ko 'THEY' nahi kahega, koi kisi ka kuch kuch nahi sujhaayega/silwaayega, koi infraction nahi hoga, na hoga ban ..... aur to aur leg pulling naam ka sher prem ki maut mar jaayega ..... one liners/multi liners with NEGATIVE value waali posts mar jaayegi ..... :D


Agar aisa ho gaya to na duniya hogi, na Jatland - itni khushi ke liye human body programmed hi nahi hote :D:rock;)

[shweta123]

Aap jo chahey so keh sakti hai aapkey aapney vichar hai mujhey koi virodh nahi hai per meiney to aapnee taraf say wo hee likha hai jo mein sochta hun.

Mein shakal say sunder nahi hun isliyea baat hamesha sunder karna chahta hun per yea meree badkismati hai ko logo ko vo bhee pasand nahi aati.

Hamey to Bhagwan ney her paristithi mein khush rehney key liyea programme kiya hai yea baat alag hai kee hum bina baat bhee dukhi rehtey hai.
kuch bhi samajh nahi aaya, par ye samajh aa gaya ki kuch to kaha hai :D

Actually ye jo symbol hai na - :D - iska matlab hota hai hum joking kar rahe hain :o aapne to mhaari baato ko seriously le liya !!

Wo majak tha aise :D:D:D

Kriapya seriously na leve - ye baar baar nahi likh saktey na !

Aur haan, aapke post ke titles aap sambhaal ke rakhiyega, Ekta Kapoor ya Karan Johar jaroor inse koi na filma banaayenge chura ke - inko safe rakhiye please ;)

[anilsinghd]

Kaaaga kaako dhan hare
koyal kaako deye
meethe shabad sunaaye ke
jag apno kar leye :)


i am not so sure i am saying this about which group ! :) confused , I really am! :)

[sachinb]

JL par Jat Unity dekhna mere jeewan ka ek sapna hai.

Hamein aapsi bhed-bhaav bhula kar ek ho jaana chaahiye,,,,ab ye waqt hai mat-bhed bhula kar saath chalne ka:rock

[SANDEEP5]

I think "Namh Shivay" is more apropriate for us because we are belongs to lord Shiva or called shivputra,s and otherwise also if we belive in Aryasamaj then their theory also said the supreem power is Shiv.

Karamveer ji, It may be possible that you know so much things better than me but i am very sure that ARYA SAMAJ never said that supreme power is SHIV. Arya Samaj dont believe in Moorti pooja and all sanatan dharam believers go to temple to do worship Shiv and all other gods. ARYA SAMAJ believe a supreme power which you can say is GOD but that is not SHIV definitely. Founder or ARYA SAMAJ was Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati and in his childhood they came to know that there is no Shiv type of God Exist, yes there is a supreme power, who drives all nature activities. That's why ARYA SAMAJ people do HAWAN not any karamkandi pooja and upvaas etc on almost every festival. So please be sure and confident before write. One more thing i dont want to hurt your feelings. If you have any evidence about it than please let me know also. Dhanyavaad !!!!!

[ajayverma1973]

Karamvirji

Ye jaruri nahin ki jinki shakal achhi ho vo baten bhi acchi karen,



Aap jo chahey so keh sakti hai aapkey aapney vichar hai mujhey koi virodh nahi hai per meiney to aapnee taraf say wo hee likha hai jo mein sochta hun.

Mein shakal say sunder nahi hun isliyea baat hamesha sunder karna chahta hun per yea meree badkismati hai ko logo ko vo bhee pasand nahi aati.

Hamey to Bhagwan ney her paristithi mein khush rehney key liyea programme kiya hai yea baat alag hai kee hum bina baat bhee dukhi rehtey hai.

[ajayverma1973]

Aaj ye kahawat siddh hoti, shweta u accepted that you are here a devil coz i didn't name some one.

Aur haan kisi bhi thread main likne ke liye aapki izazat leni padegi kya, sarpanch samajhti ho apne aapko jatland ki


Oh you are Devil's Advocate - Thanx a lot you told us ! I was wondering why you enter into each & every thread just to spoil the things :p

You never discuss anything based on logics, every time you start with a :) icon & a 'Ji' and you end up looking like :eek:

he he ... i just mean that you follow some people so much so that you even poke your nossy into things (without knowing xyz & even A :D ) just coz a good member is saying something on that & now its your moral duty to say the opposite :mad:

Dont mind - coz to mind there has to be a ........ anyways, your post settles all- Devil's Advocate :rock

[andyjat]

Karamvirji

Ye jaruri nahin ki jinki shakal achhi ho vo baten bhi acchi karen,

well said Ajay

[bagamalik]

jha tak mera khyal hai hame apni EGO ko dur rakhkar baat karni chahia kisi ka naam lene jarurat nahi hai par jiske aander hai wo smajhta hai or koshish karo ki ham ego ignore kare

Please

[suniljakhar]

Dear Kharb ji,

Please go through the post below, it may give you good insight about your point :)

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25574



We may like to consider the word-Parnam, for similar practice of wishing each other in our community. regards

[satyenderdeswal]

I am agree with you Dilbaag.
Jaaton ko unite karney ka ek hi tarika hai.Sab apni ego(AKKAD) chhod de :-)
ha ha ha...matlab that's not possible...

Unity pakki hai jaaton ki jab tak ego adey (In the way) na aaye

[Fateh]

Ok lets assume all Jats are united, THEN.....
Dear RS paweria how can we assume when we are not even able to tolrate some brother talking about unity of the communiy, however, if you assume all jats are united, THEN---kindly learn to accept jats as your brothers, friends, & family members. They should be respected, their views are required to be considered positively & forget all malice, enemity, hatread & start believing & respecting jats. Be a positive person & donot forget that others do have some brain, they have some experience & they are certainly not against you. Thus relex dont be always ready for operational take off. It is never to late to learn in life. If we assume to be united then all canno be leaders, we have to accept elders as elders & learn to be lead. Brother unity cannot be assumed it has to be there, we want you to learn to adjust with other brothers. regards

[Fateh]

Dear Kharb ji,

Please go through the post below, it may give you good insight about your point :)

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25574
Dear sunil, I had gone through the previous thread, but it was closed without any conclusion & the topic being most important, I restarted & I sincerely invite some bright ideas on jat unity. regards

[rajivsp]

Dear RS paweria how can we assume when we are not even able to tolrate some brother talking about unity of the communiy, however, if you assume all jats are united, THEN---kindly learn to accept jats as your brothers, friends, & family members. They should be respected, their views are required to be considered positively & forget all malice, enemity, hatread & start believing & respecting jats. Be a positive person & donot forget that others do have some brain, they have some experience & they are certainly not against you. Thus relex dont be always ready for operational take off. It is never to late to learn in life. If we assume to be united then all canno be leaders, we have to accept elders as elders & learn to be lead. Brother unity cannot be assumed it has to be there, we want you to learn to adjust with other brothers. regards

Dear Sir/BhaiSahab

Thanks a lot for your kind advice to your younger brother. But again as usual my statement is misunderstood.

Now if we talk about Jat unity, in my opinion its always there among us. If I sit few minutes with a Jat we are able to find our common relatives, so we are closely knitted community. In your post you have given example of Guru Gobind Singh - most of his followers were Jats, so its another example of Jat Unity. Arya samaj is also a great example of Jat unity. In history Timur Lang was defeated by Jats and it was not possible without Jat unity.

So my question is very simple if we are united and we are - I am 100% sure we are united, only thing there is no clear Aim/Target/Mission as it was given by Guru Gobind Singh or our Great leaders who fought against Timur, Then What's Next. There must be a Mission to go together and depending on that mission we can find out some unique word or what ever required to make the mission successful. Without any mission if we are talking of unity then I do not think it is possible.

Without common intesrests we can not come together, Marwadis' seem united because without that its not possible to do business same for punjabis.

Kind regards

rajiv

[rajivsp]

I have started following thread
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25974 (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25974)
and the responses I got and the traffic diverted to my site from here is good enough to prove points given in my last message. And I can say for sure that we are well united and we are ready to help each other. When for thousands of years we sacrificed ourselves for others then I can not understand why we can not help each others.
But still I am unable to solve my purpose of starting the thread. Reasons:

1. Responses I got are not enough to start any new task, need more involvement.
2. Involvement is less due to lack of awareness about technology among us.
3. Only techies are reading that thread while its for everybody doctors, engineers, teachers, educationists, HR professionals. Vivek is exception here.

But still I am optimistic and have faith in my brothers and sisters and believe its just a matter of time, I will be able to build a team for the betterment of our community.

I have very clear mission
Spread awareness about technology and entrepreneurship among Jats.

Technology is very very important and it must be applied in each and every field, in history Turks ruled the whole world they discovered the gun powder Europe was handicapped in front of its, same with Babar with is much smaller force he was able to defeat Rana Sanga because of technology. Again 33 crore Indian were handicapped in front of few English Guns. Same for business Israel is able to stand boldly in front of big Arab nations who once decided to remove Israel from the world map. Because they are very good in business and top businessmen in US are Jews who are providing latest technology to Israel.

Come on Jaton ke har Gaon mein kam se kam Ek JRD - Dheeru Bhai Ambani ya GD Birla paida kar De. JUST SOCHO KAISE??????? Kaun Rok sakega Hamari Tarakki. Unity apne aap aa jayegi.

[suniljakhar]

Dear Kharb ji,

With due regards to your opinion, I would like to repeat the reply from Anil who has quite aptly written and is in congruency with my thought process.

Here it is from the previous post...

"And I thought we are getting globalised!

dont know but I always get not so good a feeling when we deliberately try and focus on just being JATs.

Even in the greetings , we want to specific? Against my lil common sense


Dont kill me tht I am not in positive discrimination to our community , but what I firmly believe is that small leaders , or aspiring leaders use such small issues to divert attention from addressing the core issues!
Waste of energy to discuss on such lines!"

And, some other members also have nicely put their thoughts and the post by Sateypal Deshwal ji also quite appealing.

Regards,
Sunil




Dear sunil, I had gone through the previous thread, but it was closed without any conclusion & the topic being most important, I restarted & I sincerely invite some bright ideas on jat unity. regards

[rajivsp]

"And I thought we are getting globalised!


We are getting globalized only in big cities, what percentage of Jat papulation
comes under this globalization???????

[skarmveer]

Sandeep Jee.

Meiney Arayasamaj kee eak perdershini dekhi the or usmey Shktipunj ko Shiv dikhaya gaya tha or us-say sari sristi ka udgam dikhaya tha usee key aadhar per meney likha hai ho sakta hai mein galat hun ya jo meiney dekha usey mein samajh na paya hun.



Karamveer ji, It may be possible that you know so much things better than me but i am very sure that ARYA SAMAJ never said that supreme power is SHIV. Arya Samaj dont believe in Moorti pooja and all sanatan dharam believers go to temple to do worship Shiv and all other gods. ARYA SAMAJ believe a supreme power which you can say is GOD but that is not SHIV definitely. Founder or ARYA SAMAJ was Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati and in his childhood they came to know that there is no Shiv type of God Exist, yes there is a supreme power, who drives all nature activities. That's why ARYA SAMAJ people do HAWAN not any karamkandi pooja and upvaas etc on almost every festival. So please be sure and confident before write. One more thing i dont want to hurt your feelings. If you have any evidence about it than please let me know also. Dhanyavaad !!!!!

[SANDEEP5]

Sandeep Jee.

Meiney Arayasamaj kee eak perdershini dekhi the or usmey Shktipunj ko Shiv dikhaya gaya tha or us-say sari sristi ka udgam dikhaya tha usee key aadhar per meney likha hai ho sakta hai mein galat hun ya jo meiney dekha usey mein samajh na paya hun.


Kramveer ji, jawab dene ke liye dhanyavaad. Jahan tak mujhe lagta hai aapne ARYA SAMAJ ki kisi pradarshani me nahi lekin ek aur panth hai OM SHANTI uske kisi pradarshani stall me aapne SHAKTI PUNJ ke baare me dekha hoga kyonki ve log hi SHIV SHAKTI PUNJ me vishvas karte hain.:)

[Fateh]

Dear Sir/BhaiSahab

Thanks a lot for your kind advice to your younger brother. But again as usual my statement is misunderstood.

Now if we talk about Jat unity, in my opinion its always there among us. If I sit few minutes with a Jat we are able to find our common relatives, so we are closely knitted community. In your post you have given example of Guru Gobind Singh - most of his followers were Jats, so its another example of Jat Unity. Arya samaj is also a great example of Jat unity. In history Timur Lang was defeated by Jats and it was not possible without Jat unity.

So my question is very simple if we are united and we are - I am 100% sure we are united, only thing there is no clear Aim/Target/Mission as it was given by Guru Gobind Singh or our Great leaders who fought against Timur, Then What's Next. There must be a Mission to go together and depending on that mission we can find out some unique word or what ever required to make the mission successful. Without any mission if we are talking of unity then I do not think it is possible.

Without common intesrests we can not come together, Marwadis' seem united because without that its not possible to do business same for punjabis.

Kind regards

rajiv


Dear brother Rajiv, please donot mind, we have not understood your quition. I fully agree with you that some comman aim/task do help a lot to bring poeple togther but that is comperatively short lived. Unity is a great force, it is helpful at every step, it changes life of every one. Every thing or every task becomes easy if the unity is there. Brother, I agree on your historical examples but that is past. We can take lessions from history but cannot survive. We have to achieve on ground. We do have comman factors like relations & most importan is hat we all are JAT. But fronkly speaking we are not united in our deads, our behaviour & on ground. We do talk a lot of unity but donot act unitedly. Any way broher I am very happy to learn your views. warm regards

[Fateh]

Dear Kharb ji,

With due regards to your opinion, I would like to repeat the reply from Anil who has quite aptly written and is in congruency with my thought process.

Here it is from the previous post...

"And I thought we are getting globalised!

dont know but I always get not so good a feeling when we deliberately try and focus on just being JATs.

Even in the greetings , we want to specific? Against my lil common sense


Dont kill me tht I am not in positive discrimination to our community , but what I firmly believe is that small leaders , or aspiring leaders use such small issues to divert attention from addressing the core issues!
Waste of energy to discuss on such lines!"

And, some other members also have nicely put their thoughts and the post by Sateypal Deshwal ji also quite appealing.

Regards,
Sunil


Dear sunil, niether the issue of unity is small nor we want to divert attention of dear brothers to achieve some patty aim or not inerested in any leadership either. sunil when we were staying in a small area & living by ourself, the unity was there, but now due to globlisation, the issue has become more important & the requirement of efforts on unity has increased. Also the efforts on unity are to help those brohers who donot have enough energy. I fully agree that a person who is unable to getup by himself, cannot efford o waste his energy to give a helping hand to another person to getup. Anyway, my advice to poeple wih poor energy is to presere their little energy & donot waste in putting negative, illogical, impractical & totally theoritical views. regards

[sachinb]

Kharab Sir, hamein har haal mein Unite hone ki koshish karni chaahiye,,,,isme kaum ka aur desh ka bhala hai


Dear sunil, niether the issue of unity is small nor we want to divert attention of dear brothers to achieve some patty aim or not inerested in any leadership either. sunil when we were staying in a small area & living by ourself, the unity was there, but now due to globlisation, the issue has become more important & the requirement of efforts on unity has increased. Also the efforts on unity are to help those brohers who donot have enough energy. I fully agree that a person who is unable to getup by himself, cannot efford o waste his energy to give a helping hand to another person to getup. Anyway, my advice to poeple wih poor energy is to presere their little energy & donot waste in putting negative, illogical, impractical & totally theoritical views. regards

[rajivsp]

Dear Bhai Sahab

Unity is a great force.............
We do talk a lot of unity but donot act unitedly.

Exactly Unity is a great force hence abstract could be obtained thru a mission which is action and absolute. Same like gravitation force is always there but we feel/see it in action when Apple is falling. And it sustains during the life time of the action only and then just disappeared.

In the leadership of Gandhi all India seemed to be united from Afganistan to Burma and from Kashmir to Kanya Kumari. Who united them Gandhi..... No their common interest of getting freedom united them, Gandhi was there just to direct them. And After getting Freedom No unity remained - Pakistan, bangladesh, Kashmir,Hyderabad, Ulfa, LTTE, Naxlites.......

So here instead of talking of Jat Unity, we must talk of our common interests and work towards that. Like Socio-Economic development, awareness of Science and Technology, Education etc.

There are great people here on Jat Land giving their great contributions in this regards. for example Work of Ravi Chaudhary Ji and Burdak ji on Jat History.

regards
rajiv

[Fateh]

Dear Bhai Sahab


Exactly Unity is a great force hence abstract could be obtained thru a mission which is action and absolute. Same like gravitation force is always there but we feel/see it in action when Apple is falling. And it sustains during the life time of the action only and then just disappeared.

In the leadership of Gandhi all India seemed to be united from Afganistan to Burma and from Kashmir to Kanya Kumari. Who united them Gandhi..... No their common interest of getting freedom united them, Gandhi was there just to direct them. And After getting Freedom No unity remained - Pakistan, bangladesh, Kashmir,Hyderabad, Ulfa, LTTE, Naxlites.......

So here instead of talking of Jat Unity, we must talk of our common interests and work towards that. Like Socio-Economic development, awareness of Science and Technology, Education etc.

There are great people here on Jat Land giving their great contributions in this regards. for example Work of Ravi Chaudhary Ji and Burdak ji on Jat History.

regards
rajiv


Dear Rajiv, nobody denies that a comman cause binds effected poeple, but that is alive till the goal is achieved. During the strugal for independence, hindus & muslims were together, but what is their position now. Yes, we must talk about our comman interests, & THERE CANNOT BE ANY BATTER COMMAN INTEREST THAN THE UNITY OF THE COMMUNITY. Even to achieve the comman target, the unity is the biggest weapon/force/resource. Brother, is there any harm if we talk about unity along with other comman interests?Ofcource, I am not a great person like our brothers quoted, but I am sure they must also be talking some time like comman poeple like us on comman, small, less important, useless & outdated topic like unity. My dear sir, unity is end result, final goal, the great dream & always fresh toppic. What to talk about discussion, any number of efforts would be less towards the wonderful goal. Even History tries to teach us about unity. Therefore, brother let us not rejuct any toppic, learn more through more number of toppics, try to adjust to unliked subjects also & try to understand the views of others. Finally, when small poeple like me muster some courage to write on small toppic like unity, they should be encouraged, helpped, guided & their efforts be appreciated by all the great poeple. I donot say that you are wrong, infact you may be more closer to the largely accepted meaning & importance of the word unity but with my little knowledge, what ever, I thought as crrect, I have submitted to the foram. regards

[Fateh]

Kharab Sir, hamein har haal mein Unite hone ki koshish karni chaahiye,,,,isme kaum ka aur desh ka bhala hai


Brother my gotra is kharb & not kharab, please note.

[dndeswal]

Brother my gotra is kharb & not kharab, please note.


Kharb ji, Namaste.

I noticed the following page relating to Kharb gotra on Jatland wiki:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Kharb

There, under sub-title "Distribution in Haryana", names of several Kharb gotra villages are written (in red). These are blank pages. Perhaps there may be some more Kharb gotra villages in Haryana. When you find time, please write some information in these Kharb gotra villages, so that the pages are not left blank. Even small information is helpful. More details can be inserted later.
.

[rajivsp]

Dear sir

There is no problem if we are talking about Unity and all great persons talk about unity. Mohamad sahab united Arabs, Shankrachary united whole India. Unity is the end result, final goal, the great dream and always fresh topic.
But the problem is how many persons can understand it here. This is second thread and first one was closed without any conclusion. Even in this thread how many postive comments we got.

Just
"Kharb Sir, hamein har haal mein Unite hone ki koshish karni chaahiye,,,,isme kaum ka aur desh ka bhala hai" kahne to mein positive nahin manta. ab tak ki bataya nahin jaye hum kis tarah Unite ho sakte hain.

regards

rajiv

[rajivsp]

Dear Kharb Sir

DND sir ko thread par dekh kar lagta hai kuchh na kuchh nishkarsh zarur niklega is thread the. Jat Unity is not the topic for Time Passers.

Please do not stop.

thanks and regards
rajiv

[narenderkharb]

It is well known fact that strongest force lies in the unity among poeple of any family,village, organisation, institution, state, nation, society or any community etc. unity provides automaticaly all type of security(social,economical&physical), it provides help including out side help, directly or indirectly, it gives happiness, removes fear & gives strength. It is also a fact that to bring poeple together & keep them together, any thing comman among those poeple helps lot. The comman dresses, practices, traditions, sirnames, celebrations, cultural & religious practices are visible every where including in the most advanced & globlefamilies societies/religions/communities/organisations/intitutions. Having a comman identity has lot of advantages & that is why Guru Govind Singh ji gave five comman identities to Khalsas. Thinking about comman factors & asking suggestions for any community/ nation/ organisation/ family etc is not at all amounts to going in the past or a sign of backwardness. Infact for last about 45 years I am also trying my best to findout some comman practices for the community, but so far couldnot be done. Thus, I request all my brothers at JL to suggest some comman practices for the community. I am really impressed & grateful to mr pawan kumar for his an important thread on the subject. Sorry brother, I couldnot contribute because I only openned the thread when it was closed. Let us try again for any comman practice including wishing to eachother among the poeple of our community. Jai Bajrang Bali, Jai Srikrishan, Jai Shivsombhoo, Jai Sita Ram, Jai Bhole Nath, Jai Hind, Ram Ram



Great Idea ,Sir.


Let us have some positive feedback from worthy members.

Good suggestions in this regard can certainly be implemented via our democratic institutions .

[narenderkharb]

Dear Kharb Sir

DND sir ko thread par dekh kar lagta hai kuchh na kuchh nishkarsh zarur niklega is thread the. Jat Unity is not the topic for Time Passers.

Please do not stop.

thanks and regards
rajiv


Agree here.

[rajivsp]

But unfortunately 3 most popular threads here on JL ( also true for all Indians to some extent) are
1. Time Pass
2. General Talk ( again time pass)
3. Humor ( again time pass )

[narenderkharb]

But unfortunately 3 most popular threads here on JL ( also true for all Indians to some extent) are
1. Time Pass
2. General Talk ( again time pass)
3. Humor ( again time pass )

On expected lines...

Most of the active members are software professionals too tensed in their offices so they log in to relax not to tense their mind on a serious topic that needs further stressing .

@

Col Saheb can you give suggestions on what levels we should try for this unity

One level we tried at Kharkhoda sarv Khap convention what can be others ??

Shall it include Jats of all religions Sikhs Muslims and Hindus ???

Equally important is ways of doing /achieving this as suggested by Rajeev so what means /ways can be adopted in this regard ? Kindly put your own suggestions in this regard.

Can it be a movement,like one started by Guru Gobind Singh ?

Common symbol,means of greetings etc can be a part of this movement aimed to build a better society of Jats ,

So let us have suggestions ....

[anilsinghd]

niether the issue of unity is small nor we want to divert attention of dear brothers to achieve some patty aim or not inerested in any leadership either. sunil when we were staying in a small area & living by ourself, the unity was there, but now due to globlisation, the issue has become more important & the requirement of efforts on unity has increased. Also the efforts on unity are to help those brohers who donot have enough energy. I fully agree that a person who is unable to getup by himself, cannot efford o waste his energy to give a helping hand to another person to getup. Anyway, my advice to poeple wih poor energy is to presere their little energy & donot waste in putting negative, illogical, impractical & totally theoritical views. regards

The lines in red are a total indicator of the kind of superiority complex you already have about yourself and and about the people you consider to be in with you.

Software professionals or any of who you categorise as overly stressed are also human beings. They also earn money and their output is also a part of GDP of India , they also feed their homes in same way as a farmer takes care of his family in the rural sector.
I wonder you know anything about the basics of economy to realise that if there are no buyers , the sellers would be starved to death in any case.
Anyways , lets not get technical about it.

My 2 cents on your perspective of uniting people are : ( And some of it has already been expressed my myself on the same thread with a different title ) ( And i wonder , why our dear moderatos cannot close this thread and/or merge it with the old one on the basis of duplicacy !! :confused: )

1) Words do not unite people , its the people who get united. A common name if at all is required cannot be any great that the JAT itself. Why do we have to look for a name like Shiva , Jai Ram ji ki or something else ? These are Gods and are not copyrighted to Jats but I am Jat in itself is copyrighted to us Jats.
This is the whole point I find absurd that on one hand you and your followers propogate the feelings of being prudent about us being Jats and want to unite because united we can conquer the world and on the same place you are ashamed to call ourself as Jats. I would like to get everyone's opinion on what greater word can help us other than Jats , anything else would just be diluting ourselves.

2) Rather than hypothetically talking about ideas and great things and words like revolution and at the same time degrading poor software professionals ( I am totally shocked at the misery of the guys , one there is recession , and two there are people like yourself who call them poor , low in energy and stressed out ) , why do not you attempt to do something in concrete. Why do not you go and conduct a survey in the rural villages and ask them on what they really want in terms of a common name? Or ideas on how to unite people. If its about people , why do not you start from people themselves.
Who on earth has given you right to talk about the rural sect of Jat population and their miseries ? :) And who are you to comment that they are not united?

3) Most here including the admin and mods are infact software professionals and/or related to it somewhat. If we even take out a survey of the active people and their kind of professions , most will be in the bucket of being obsessed by computers and totally stressed out , then why do you even have an iota of confidence that you will find any valuable suggestion.



Go out Sir , reach the people if you really intend to , else stop this bragging about of things , do not advertise yourself as Jat ambasssadors , talking soft and goody goody does not make anyone divine.
:)


PS: It is a sincere request plus a clarion call that stop categorising people and calling one sect down just because you want to prove a point. :)

Best Regards,
Anil

[narenderkharb]

Dear Anil


Before writing such a post full of stress you could have atleast seen who wrote software professional and why ?

It was me and in responce to Rajeev question why more people go for time pass threads .It was just an observation based on the feed back of our friends from the same background.Any way..

Since you don't know Col Fatheh Singh Kharb let me tell you he is doing a lot in this regard for many years .Recently I met him when he came all the way from Baroda to Sonepat(kharkhoda) for a similar convention aiming at uniting different Jar factions.I can write a lot about his other efforts but that would be off topic .During our meeeting we discussed certain things and wanted views of all Jats regarding that so the suggestion were sought.


I am really disappointed by this attitude when a very young person starts his vitriolic attack on some senior and distinguished person without even reading or understanding the matter.Such posts create a negative atmosphere on Jatland and senior members just leave after some time.This thread is about social responsibility and let us try to put our view in a proper way here.

You are most welcome to put your suggestions in this regard .


The lines in red are a total indicator of the kind of superiority complex you already have about yourself and and about the people you consider to be in with you.

Software professionals or any of who you categorise as overly stressed are also human beings. They also earn money and their output is also a part of GDP of India , they also feed their homes in same way as a farmer takes care of his family in the rural sector.
I wonder you know anything about the basics of economy to realise that if there are no buyers , the sellers would be starved to death in any case.
Anyways , lets not get technical about it.

My 2 cents on your perspective of uniting people are : ( And some of it has already been expressed my myself on the same thread with a different title ) ( And i wonder , why our dear moderatos cannot close this thread and/or merge it with the old one on the basis of duplicacy !! :confused: )

1) Words do not unite people , its the people who get united. A common name if at all is required cannot be any great that the JAT itself. Why do we have to look for a name like Shiva , Jai Ram ji ki or something else ? These are Gods and are not copyrighted to Jats but I am Jat in itself is copyrighted to us Jats.
This is the whole point I find absurd that on one hand you and your followers propogate the feelings of being prudent about us being Jats and want to unite because united we can conquer the world and on the same place you are ashamed to call ourself as Jats. I would like to get everyone's opinion on what greater word can help us other than Jats , anything else would just be diluting ourselves.

2) Rather than hypothetically talking about ideas and great things and words like revolution and at the same time degrading poor software professionals ( I am totally shocked at the misery of the guys , one there is recession , and two there are people like yourself who call them poor , low in energy and stressed out ) , why do not you attempt to do something in concrete. Why do not you go and conduct a survey in the rural villages and ask them on what they really want in terms of a common name? Or ideas on how to unite people. If its about people , why do not you start from people themselves.
Who on earth has given you right to talk about the rural sect of Jat population and their miseries ? :) And who are you to comment that they are not united?

3) Most here including the admin and mods are infact software professionals and/or related to it somewhat. If we even take out a survey of the active people and their kind of professions , most will be in the bucket of being obsessed by computers and totally stressed out , then why do you even have an iota of confidence that you will find any valuable suggestion.



Go out Sir , reach the people if you really intend to , else stop this bragging about of things , do not advertise yourself as Jat ambasssadors , talking soft and goody goody does not make anyone divine.
:)


PS: It is a sincere request plus a clarion call that stop categorising people and calling one sect down just because you want to prove a point. :)

Best Regards,
Anil

[mhundpuriamann]

Jab logunite hotey hai to koi bhee samajik nirnaya aasanee say liyea ja sakta hai jaise Koi Dahej nahi lega, Sabhee aapney say kamjor kee madad karengey, Kuritiyeo say milkar lada ja sakta hai sab kee samuhik soch hogi to sabhee kathinaiuo ko aasanee say door kiya ja sakta hai. aalg-aalg rehker koi bhee burai door nahi kee ja sakti.

sabhee jaat nirnya le sakte hain ki bhaee yu byaah main pethhe ka saag nhee banaigaa :rock

[rajivsp]

Col Fatheh Singh Kharb let me tell you he is doing a lot in this regard for many years .Recently I met him when he came all the way from Baroda to Sonepat(kharkhoda) for a similar convention aiming at uniting different Jar factions.I can write a lot about his other efforts but that would be off topic .During our meeeting we discussed certain things and wanted views of all Jats regarding that so the suggestion were sought.

Is it possible to give a brief report of this attempt of unifying Jats (and similar attempts) and what was the outcome of this meeting? It might be an inspirational example for people who are willing to work in this regard as there are many similar threads started here and stopped without any conclusion.

[Fateh]

Dear Narender, thanks for clearifying to Anil. There is no need to give account of our efforts, we dont do community work to show to people, but even if we have to loose our lives for the good of the community, the achievements would be for self satishfaction. Our efforts will continue, whethere some people like or not. Anil, my suggestion, qouted by you in red, is ment for those who consider wastage of energy to discuss about unity of the community. Is there any harm in using respectful language for our brothers. In fact I consider myself a lucky one that my parents, elders & Gurus gave me such education. May I request you to come out fronkly wih your real reason for diverting, disturbing & damaging oppenions, efforts & submissions of other`s. Is the toppic of unity of community is bad, Have we already achieved the unity beyond further improment, Is there any big problem in submitting our oppenions on the second post on the same toppic or the initiator of the post is very useless. I must tell you that jat do have superioriy complex, but it cannot be with family members. I have not understood, under which complex you are not liking the discussion on jat unity. Do you think you only understand & effected by the ecconomy, others are not? Please tell me, can a very beautiful fruit tree stay without looking after his roots. I am very certain that people who do not love,respect, believe in unity of their family, can really believe in the unity of human being, Nation & the world. Anil is this jatland started for the unity or disunity of jats. Good behaviour includes good thinking, good writing, good talking, good posturing & good action etc. Believe me it is never too late to learn. regards

[Rmandaura]

" Please tell me, can a very beautiful fruit tree stay without looking after his roots."

We should rise and fly higher and higher but not so high that the fiber attaching us to the roots gets broken.

Jat unity will not come only by a word or a phrase. All Jats should contribute towards the community in whatever small way they can. Try to give a helping hand to your fellows. I believe that those on Jat Land are here only because of one word Jat. So, spread the community feeling wherever you are.

[navingulia]

Some features for Jat unity, i would love to see:-
1. honest
2. sincere
3. good at heart
4. never talk bad about others
5. no taunting or rude language
6. remove abusive language
7. humility
8. self respect and pride
9. respect others both young and old
10. never give in to dislike or hate
11. win people with love and affection
12. rather than being a critic, be an ideal/role model for your children and youngsters
13. encourage
14. work for the community even if you are not made chaudhary/boss
15. be the change
16. its my dream to see jat community as a community which other communities should praise and look up to. (self praise wont do)

how many takers???
first, count me in, i will try my best at the above mentioned points

[vijay]

Some features for Jat unity, i would love to see:-
1. honest
2. sincere
3. good at heart
4. never talk bad about others
5. no taunting or rude language
6. remove abusive language
7. humility
8. self respect and pride
9. respect others both young and old
10. never give in to dislike or hate
11. win people with love and affection
12. rather than being a critic, be an ideal/role model for your children and youngsters
13. encourage
14. work for the community even if you are not made chaudhary/boss
15. be the change
16. its my dream to see jat community as a community which other communities should praise and look up to. (self praise wont do)

how many takers???
first, count me in, i will try my best at the above mentioned points

If we can follow even half of these points we would be better human beings. What matters at end of the day is how we are as human beings.

[anilsinghd]

Dear Narender, thanks for clearifying to Anil. There is no need to give account of our efforts, we dont do community work to show to people, but even if we have to loose our lives for the good of the community, the achievements would be for self satishfaction. Our efforts will continue, whethere some people like or not. Anil, my suggestion, qouted by you in red, is ment for those who consider wastage of energy to discuss about unity of the community. Is there any harm in using respectful language for our brothers. In fact I consider myself a lucky one that my parents, elders & Gurus gave me such education. May I request you to come out fronkly wih your real reason for diverting, disturbing & damaging oppenions, efforts & submissions of other`s. Is the toppic of unity of community is bad, Have we already achieved the unity beyond further improment, Is there any big problem in submitting our oppenions on the second post on the same toppic or the initiator of the post is very useless. I must tell you that jat do have superioriy complex, but it cannot be with family members. I have not understood, under which complex you are not liking the discussion on jat unity. Do you think you only understand & effected by the ecconomy, others are not? Please tell me, can a very beautiful fruit tree stay without looking after his roots. I am very certain that people who do not love,respect, believe in unity of their family, can really believe in the unity of human being, Nation & the world. Anil is this jatland started for the unity or disunity of jats. Good behaviour includes good thinking, good writing, good talking, good posturing & good action etc. Believe me it is never too late to learn. regards


With all due regards , let me say this , I did not try and divert your focus , all i was asking was a bit of respect! And a bit of sense in the arguments put forward.
There are a couple of ways at looking at a value , absolute and relative , I am always up for an absolute high , never an relative. Please do not degrade the S/W professionals etc just to rationalise that you and the people that have been the protagonists of the mantra that has been rampant on the thread are doing a great job. Perhaps you might have done the same hard work and with total zeal and enthuthiasm when you got into a job at the age of something+teens! :)

My point 2) in my previous post ; if you have read carefully was in fact a constructive suggestion to really do something in concrete!



Jat unity will not come only by a word or a phrase.

That was precisely my point , no less , no more ! :)

[Fateh]

Dear Anil, have ever I mentioned any thing about S/W professionals why are you misquoting again? Who says mere words will do the job of jat unity, how do you know that people participating in the discussion, dont do something on ground. Dont you think, it is batter to invite views of more number of brothers, discuss all points, make a proper plan & than execute. Dont you think words are also important & required to coney intention, send a message, invite others to participate, to explane & convey the meaning & usefulness of unity of community and for motivating people. May I request you & other performers on ground to menion their ground efforts on paper/thread for our information. Is such posts/discussions are de-motivating for jat for jat unity or in way are they harmful. I have not understood as o why people object without any reason, to me, it doesnot help to become leaders or great. Regards

[anilsinghd]

Dear Anil, have ever I mentioned any thing about S/W professionals why are you misquoting again? Who says mere words will do the job of jat unity, how do you know that people participating in the discussion, dont do something on ground. Dont you think, it is batter to invite views of more number of brothers, discuss all points, make a proper plan & than execute. Dont you think words are also important & required to coney intention, send a message, invite others to participate, to explane & convey the meaning & usefulness of unity of community and for motivating people. May I request you & other performers on ground to menion their ground efforts on paper/thread for our information. Is such posts/discussions are de-motivating for jat for jat unity or in way are they harmful. I have not understood as o why people object without any reason, to me, it doesnot help to become leaders or great. Regards


I apologise for de-motivating all/any of you ! :)

I refrain from objecting without a reason :)


Please carry on , would be rather curious to know all of the conclusion and the culmination of all this serious , high -level , intellectual and very committed unity level interaction/discussion.
:)


Best and Sincere Regards,
Anil

[Fateh]

I apologise for de-motivating all/any of you ! :)

I refrain from objecting without a reason :)


Please carry on , would be rather curious to know all of the conclusion and the culmination of all this serious , high -level , intellectual and very committed unity level interaction/discussion.
:)


Best and Sincere Regards,
Anil


Anil, thanks, be always happy, my best wishes are always with you, the God will give you all the sucesses & happiness in life. Brother, our duty is to do efforts, we shouldnot be very curious about conclusion & culmination. As you know work on unity of community is a very difficult & slow progressing task, God only knows when, where & what level it will conclude and who will be there to see & enjoy the fruits. We should keep on working with positive attitude.

Wih best & sincere regards

[Rmandaura]

May I request you & other performers on ground to menion their ground efforts on paper/thread for our information.


Kharb Sahib, since you have asked, I am giving following links for your reference regarding whatever little work is being done by us on ground.
http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_Samaj_Faridabad
Post no.10 and 14 of the following thread.
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=196375#post196375

I know that you are doing a lot more for the community. Let us all carry on and continue motivating and channelize our energy for positive work. The feeling of belongingness has increased as compared to the past when we were young. However the ‘quality’ of leg pulling still remains dormant amongst Jats, we need to minimise it. We should start feeling proud of being not only Jats but good Jats. Someday unity will come along I agree, let us all continue efforts in our own small ways.
Regards,

[Fateh]

Dahiya sahab, nameskar.
It is great to learn about your organisation & the efforts on ground, many thanks & congratulations. Brother, I am not big player on this front, but I am fully motivated, committed, devoted & do try always in my humble way to serve the community where ever possible. As for as leg pulling is concern, it is there, it is there in other communities also. Such weaknesses can be reduced by educating & motivating our people and that is the reason, mere words/ discussions also help. I am in total agreement with you that we must continue our efforts & serve the community. Be sure, I will keep on doing the service to my people always by my good behavior, disciplined/ educated conduct & untiring, sincere & dedicated efforts, without any desire of any post, reward or gain. With warm regards

[pawdiaamar]

Dev sir , aap kavita likha karooo ..............
aapne jo kehna tha aapne vo sari chej 4 linooo main keh di

sir ispe or zor do .......really appreciate that sir




fateh sir aap aage chate chaliyeee piche ki chinta na kare .......jahan jaat shab aagaya aankh band kar ke sath hoon

Regards
Vivek Gathwala

Re baavle jaat dusman pachaan le............. but what when we come to know the enemy and others want to ignore it.
infact enemy is at our door now both from inside and out side of our country so plz be united and let hte country awke.

[pawdiaamar]

Being Jat its our responsibility to do something for our cOUNTRY AND COMMUNITY.To save our land from the intruders we should be ready for sacrifice, but till now we have time and are in such a situation that we can handle it but if we get late then we have to repent for it. So plz try to understand my words as the enemy has entered our land from inside only and we are unaware of it but, if I have some clue regarding this I want to share with all of you. Jai JAAAAAAAAAAAAT JAIHIND.

[pawdiaamar]

Now the time has come to be actually united as the enemy is standing at our doors not from out side the border but from inside only so plz awake otherwise we have to pay for it.

[pawdiaamar]

Fir to har taraf khushiyaan hi khushiyaan hongi :rolleyes: - sukh ki nadhiya bahengi ..... kauwe bhi koyal ban jaayenge ...... koi kisi ko 'THEY' nahi kahega, koi kisi ka kuch kuch nahi sujhaayega/silwaayega, koi infraction nahi hoga, na hoga ban ..... aur to aur leg pulling naam ka sher prem ki maut mar jaayega ..... one liners/multi liners with NEGATIVE value waali posts mar jaayegi ..... :D


Agar aisa ho gaya to na duniya hogi, na Jatland - itni khushi ke liye human body programmed hi nahi hote :D:rock;)
Now the time has come to get united in realty otherwise we have to pay for it. So plz do something that we can share our views regarding the danger which is now at our doors. Not from outside the country but from inside only.I have some clue regarding this so i want to share with all of you.

[Samarkadian]

Now the time has come to get united in realty otherwise we have to pay for it. So plz do something that we can share our views regarding the danger which is now at our doors. Not from outside the country but from inside only.I have some clue regarding this so i want to share with all of you.

Please do and feel free to share else enemy would cut our throat brutally!