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VivekGathwala
December 20th, 2008, 01:27 AM
A bhole Jat ek to tu bolna seekh le dusra apna dushman pahchanna seekh le





Ch. Chhoturam ek baat aksar kahte thhe ki " Punjab me ya to Arora ,
Khatri rahenge ya Jat aur gakhad " . Choudhary saab ne galat nahi kaha
thha unhe pata thha ye hamare samaj me dhimak ki tarah hain.
Hamare desh me jitney bi gaple ghotale huwe hain unme inn mehanti logo
ka kahi n kahi haath milega . jaise…..
Inko jato ke 70% jameen ke malik hone ka dukh hain jaisa Tuteja saab
ne apni kitaab me likha hain, lekin inhone ye nahi likha ki aaj inn
logo ki Delhi, Gurgaon me jato ki jameen par 80 % farm house tatha
90% gaadiyo ke showroom , hospital, hotel aur private school bana liye
waha kabja kaise kiya ? ab ye kahenge ki ye sab mehnat se huwa . kal
tak Ashok Malhotra jiske paas 17 videshi mehangi gaadiya aur karodo ki
jayedad mili usko bi ye log mehnati kah rahe thhe. Lekin Danik Jagran
ka 8 Aug 2007 ka ank to inhe deshdrohi likh raha hain. Jabki yahi
Malhotra ji pahle Delhi ki sadko par chholle bature becha karte thhe.
Pakde gaye to lutere varna ye kal tak kamere thhe. Desh ka kunsa
gapla issa nahi hain jisme inka naam nahi juda hain…… Bihar ke chara
kand me sachiv Kapoor , Mumbai ke bomb blast (1993) kand wala
Khurana , Purliya hathiyaar droping me Delhi ka Gulati , cricket sato
me Chawla , telephone kand me Rohtak ka Dhawan , satta king Madan ,
commissionkhor colonel Johal , Gagneja, Chopra va Chada aadhi. . Paper
leek mamle me Kalra va Bindra aadhi . Takniki siksha me rishwatkhor
Bhatia , nakli certificate racket me ek saath do Mudgil , Maruti
ghaotale me Kohli , DPS MMS kand me Bajaj , parcha leek me Malhotra
aur Chug , Dakghar ghaotale me Batra , DDA ke ghaplo me Khattar va MCI
me dokhadhadi ke mamlo me Nayair aur Chopra .
Major Malhotra ki 63 ghaplo me 7 saal ki jail hui varna ye bi parso
tak mehnati afsar thhe aur general ban jate.
Sardar Rajinder Singh ji Nijjar ne theek hi kaha hain ki ye log iss
kalyug ke shasak hain.
Ch. Chhoturam ne theek hi kaha thha ki " a bhole kissan ek to tu bolna
seeekh le aur dusra dushman pahchanna seekh le "

DHANYEVAD

VIVEK GATHWALA

devdahiya
December 20th, 2008, 08:21 AM
Jat bolna seekh gaya tou uss jaissi koi baat nahin
Aaj ke din tou bhai,bandhhu kuchh bhi uske saath nahin.

Bhasha jitani kaddwi hogi,uttani hi preshani hogi
Sahi dawa ke bina theek na huwa aaj tak koi roggi
Bina ujjale bhi dhhalti hei koi kaali raat kabhi
Aaj.......................

Akhhaddpan aur jidd jisnei ki uska hota bhalla nahin
Jaat bolne se pehle na karta mann se slaah kabhi
2 shabdd pyar ke karwa dete biggde pure kaam sabhi
Aaj.........................

Allahaddpan nei peechhey rakhkha,ye laa illaz bimari hei
Firr bhi usko galle lagaya,dekho kya lachaari hei
Bhasha apni theek karo ge tabb hi izzat krein sabhi.
Aaj...................

VivekGathwala
December 24th, 2008, 04:18 AM
Ch. Chhoturam ek baat aksar kahte thhe ki " Punjab me ya to Arora ,
Khatri rahenge ya Jat aur gakhad " . Choudhary saab ne galat nahi kaha thha unhe pata thha ye hamare samaj me dhimak ki tarah hain.
Hamare desh me jitney bi gaple ghotale huwe hain unme inn mehanti logo ka kahi n kahi haath milega

jaise Inko jato ke 70% jameen ke malik hone ka dukh hain jaisa Tuteja saab ne apni kitaab me likha hain, lekin inhone ye nahi likha ki aaj inn logo ki Delhi, Gurgaon me jato ki jameen par 80 % farm house tatha 90% gaadiyo ke showroom , hospital, hotel aur private school bana liye


waha kabja kaise kiya ? ab ye kahenge ki ye sab mehnat se huwa . kal
tak Ashok Malhotra jiske paas 17 videshi mehangi gaadiya aur karodo ki jayedad mili usko bi ye log mehnati kah rahe thhe. Lekin Danik Jagran ka 8 Aug 2007 ka ank to inhe deshdrohi likh raha hain. Jabki yehi Malhotra ji pahle Delhi ki sadko par chholle bature becha karte thhe. Pakde gaye to lutere varna ye kal tak kamere thhe.

Desh ka kunsa gapla issa nahi hain jisme inka naam nahi juda hain…… Bihar ke chara kand me sachiv Kapoor , Mumbai ke bomb blast (1993) kand wala Khurana , Purliya hathiyaar droping me Delhi ka Gulati , cricket sato me Chawla , telephone kand me Rohtak ka Dhawan , satta king Madan ,commission khor colonel Johal , Gagneja, Chopra va Chada aadhi. .


Paper leek mamle me Kalra va Bindra aadhi . Takniki siksha me rishwatkhor Bhatia , nakli certificate racket me ek saath do Mudgil , Maruti ghaotale me Kohli , DPS MMS kand me Bajaj , parcha leek me Malhotra aur Chug , Dakghar ghaotale me Batra , DDA ke ghaplo me Khattar va MCI me dokhadhadi ke mamlo me Nayair aur Chopra .
Major Malhotra ki 63 ghaplo me 7 saal ki jail hui varna ye bi parso
tak mehnati afsar thhe aur general ban jate.


Sardar Rajinder Singh ji Nijjar ne theek hi kaha hain ki ye log iss
kalyug ke shasak hain.
Ch. Chhoturam ne theek hi kaha thha ki " a bhole kissan ek to tu bolna
seeekh le aur dusra dushman pahchanna seekh le "

rajpawariya
December 27th, 2008, 10:27 PM
:D
Yes Vivek!
your thouthful views may compel some fellow JLs to use sensible laguage and words while writting on this forum.
Thanks again.

nijjhar
December 28th, 2008, 03:03 AM
Hi Jatt Bhai,

You have written well. Kalyug belongs to shameless Khatris and that is why when our Yadev Krishan Baldev Ji, Avtar of Shiv as compared with Shri Ram Chander Ji, an Avtar of Vishnu, asked Yadev to take over the rule of Kalyug, they refused to do so that people will perform works against norms or Baesharmi ke kaam karen gae. So, this Kalyug belongs to Khatris and we cannot rule in this Yug but we will sort them up during the End Times which is approaching soon. Mayan Calendar predicts 21 Dec, 2012 when wars and riots would dominate the world. God knows best but some thing could happen.

We Jatts hold the end of honesty whilst the Khatris of dishonesty. Bhagat are Jatts and Shaitan are Khatris. Shaitan are spiritually sick people needing the Spiritual Satguru Nanak Dev Ji the most and the sick killed them whilst we Bhagats supported them.

So, the simplest way to survive this Kalyug is:- BEEO BEEJ PATT LAYAE GAYE..... That is do not forget your tribal identity, then you would not fight among yourselves. During the Partition of India, my father told the invading 2000 Arian Chief that we Jatt are going to die and you Arian during the fight and not the Sikh and Muslim spiritual selves. He was explained the mischief of the Three Lalas, Lala Gandhi, a Baniyia, Lala Tara Singh, a Malhotra Khatri and Lala Mohd. Ali Jinnah, a Babla Bhatia and on understanding that, he told his people to look after us and they did sincerely.

Now, let me make some comments on your post please:-


Ch. Chhoturam's sucaste was Ohlayan. Am I right? If so, always write the full name so that we know his family as well.

The rest of it, you have said well mentioning their subcaste and tribe and no remarks.

The Punjab is the homeland of Jatts as is Rajasthan, U.P., etc but don't forget our brethren in Pakistan. We have majority but we cannot rule as we are not Baesharm. Some of our Punjabi Jatts are Baesharm too but in majority it applies.

Now, come an important PART:-

I am a Jatt and to be of my Jatt brethren, I have to be addressed as Chaudhry, our ancestral courtesy title and not as Sardar. Now, what happens when you address me as Sardar. Sardar means a village Chief, Fauj ka Sardar aur assli Sardar hottae haen Khalsae jo Aazaad hottae haen. I am none of them and Satguru Nanak Dev Ji said, "NANAK TAE NAR ASSALL KHAR; JAE BINN GUNN GHARB KARANT". That is, a person is a real Khotta who proclaim some one but he is not so. In short, if a person is not a Sardar of his village, Fauj or Khalsa, then he is a real donkey. So, by your heart you addressed me as Sardar with respect but actually I am addressed as KHOTTA and you can see how our own Jatts hate to be addressed as Chaudhry but Sardar Ji or Khotta Ji. That much, we Jatt are stupid but we are not dishonest or Baesharm like Khatris. So, please address all Jatts as Chaudhry. Secondly, you added Singh into my name. Singh are Khalsas and they do not have a surname because when Sachae Patshah Gobind Rai Ji initiated Khalsa Panth, then He beheaded the five publicly and not in a Tent. After beheading them all five, then he sewed the head of one with the body of another one. After preparing Amrit, they were each given and made them alive. Mixing of bodies mean that Khalsas do not have family connections or surnames any more but the common surname Singh. So, this Singh is obtained after giving your head for AKAL PURAKH KI FAUJ and no more secular tribal affairs. I have put up Youtube Videos on this topic and please listen to them. So, my name is Chaudhry Rajinder Nijjhar please.

PHOKI SARDARI THEEK NAHI HAE. Jaatto kae Jaatt Bhai; Sardaron kae Sardar Bhai.

So, not
Sardar Rajinder Singh ji Nijjar

please.

Khatris Arorraes have given us this Sardari title and my father used to tell me that our elders were addressed as Chaudhry and used to laugh at those who were addressed as Sardar and Sikh.

With Jatt brotherly corrections please. I have written a Book in Punjabi and if any one is prepared to lend hand, we can write it in Hindi and Urdu to alert our Jatts.

Jatts are Shiv Sena and they would clear this mess by the Khatris. Lala Mammohan Singh Kohli Khatri is there and we need a Khatri of Kashmir turned Sheikh to start the War. Kalyug is the Golden Age to earn Salvation. If you know CHALIS MUKTAE and for those our Sandhu Jatt King Ranjit Singh was given 40 years of rule and look what he did to please the Khatris, put gold on Harmandir Sahib
Ch. Chhoturam ne theek hi kaha thha ki " a bhole kissan ek to tu bolna
seeekh le aur dusra dushman pahchanna seekh le "

raka
December 29th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Haryana , UP, Rajasthan me hum inn bhapo ( arora , khatri) ko punjabi bulate hain, Punjab me innhe bhapa bola jata hain. ye bhape apna kaam nikalwane ke liye kuchh bi kissi bi hadh tak ja sakte hain jisko hum inki mehnat kahte hain , aur wo mehnat hum log kar nahi sakte aur na hi mein chahunga ki koi mera jatt bhai kare. do mahine pichhe Bahadurgarh me ek bhape ne poster laga rakhe thhe ki punjabiyo ko haryana me reservation do , chalo resrvation to theek s par inne nyu puchho ki punjabiyo mein kunsi kunsi cast aawe sain. ye punjabi sabdh iss liye bart te hain ki isme sikh jatt bi aa jya s . unki dhaal le sain ye. aur hum ye samajte nahi.
film star Dharmender ko bi jab kabhi jarurat hoti hain to ye log kahte ki hamare punjabi bhai hain par aaj tak uss mahan hasti ko inhone koi best actor ke khitaab se nahi nawaja bas ebb budape ek life time achivement de diya ak bhai bahut ho gaya ebb aaram kar le. unn khitaabo par bi kapoor , khana, roshan etc ka kabja raha hain , jab kabhi danda aaya to ye khitaab khano ko thama diya.
ek to ye mitha bolne me mahir s dusra khuda ne innhe sakal issi de di ak inte garib sarif aadmi iss dharti pe konya. bhaio kadhe bi inki boli aur sakal par na jaiyo dokha kha jaoge.
pichhe 2007 me punjab vidhan sabha election ki counting chal rahi thhi ,mein U.T (chandigarh) panchayat ghar me ke ek room me baitha tv dekh raha thha , room khula dekh kar ek sardarji aa gaya , mane sochi ke sardar sain akali supporter pawega ...mein usste bolya ak sardar ji badhai ho sarkar aa gai aap logo ki . wo mere ta bolya ak kunsi party chal rahi hain aage , mane kaha Akali . usne bunda sa muuh bana ke kaha ...leh sadi kithhe ,ehh ta jatta di sarkar hain. mere ek dum dhakka sa lagya , ak ye bhape sain kittod haryane me inne punjabiyat bhave sain aur aade ke bhave sain bera n.
Ch.Rajinder nijjar ji apne sahi kaha wakai ye iss kalyug ke shasak hain.

amans
January 8th, 2009, 04:57 AM
Jat jat ka dushman hotee dekhee haeen. Even in jat families rishtedar rishtedar ke dushman hoteen dekheen haeen. Many times Indians Indian ke dushman hoteen haen. Even when jats are undermining other jats why talk about people of other castes? Even in jats there are stereotypes and generalizations of jats belonging to different cities, states, professions. A person should be judged based on your real interaction with them for long time not on what other people tell you about them or your short and shallow knowledge about them. As there are many people who are good at hiding their real self that one can discover only after real long term interaction with them and even then there some that are good at hiding the skeletons in their closet, things they don't want others to know that would shame them enormously if decent people knew about it.

shweta123
January 8th, 2009, 12:08 PM
Jat jat ka dushman hotee dekhee haeen. Even in jat families rishtedar rishtedar ke dushman hoteen dekheen haeen. Many times Indians Indian ke dushman hoteen haen. Even when jats are undermining other jats why talk about people of other castes? Even in jats there are stereotypes and generalizations of jats belonging to different cities, states, professions. A person should be judged based on your real interaction with them for long time not on what other people tell you about them or your short and shallow knowledge about them. As there are many people who are good at hiding their real self that one can discover only after real long term interaction with them and even then there some that are good at hiding the skeletons in their closet, things they don't want others to know that would shame them enormously if decent people knew about it.
Aman dont you think you have very complicated thoughts and everyone appears to you to be manipulative, shrewd, scheming, tricking, fiddly & blah blah ! :rolleyes::cool:

By the way there is a saying ki jo jaisa hota hai usko sab .... :D:p;)

rajivsp
January 9th, 2009, 02:30 AM
Jat jat ka dushman hotee dekhee haeen. Even in jat families rishtedar rishtedar ke dushman hoteen dekheen haeen. Many times Indians Indian ke dushman hoteen haen. Even when jats are undermining other jats why talk about people of other castes? Even in jats there are stereotypes and generalizations of jats belonging to different cities, states, professions. A person should be judged based on your real interaction with them for long time not on what other people tell you about them or your short and shallow knowledge about them. As there are many people who are good at hiding their real self that one can discover only after real long term interaction with them and even then there some that are good at hiding the skeletons in their closet, things they don't want others to know that would shame them enormously if decent people knew about it.

very true............

amans
January 9th, 2009, 04:01 AM
very true............

A few pakistanis treated me better than many Indians and jats too. Muslims treated me better than hindus.
Of all muslims only pakistanis have complexes and hatred for hindus and Indians. Perhaps because their ancestors ruled over the kaffir hindus!
Arabs and Iranians treated me better than jats and Indians. Muslims from land of babar(uzbekistan) treated me better than many Indians and jats.
Whites and blacks treated me much better than Indians and jats.
What do I make of that?
Of course not good looking woman are not good looking inside too. I found that valid for people of all races and colors. but that is what only I found. hehe..
Now to the stereotypes just for fun...what I heard from other respected jats hehe -
Jats from up are sweet talking, matlabi, ruthless, etc., woman are aggressive and matlabi etc.
sonepat jats are chalu..streetwise..
Rohtak jats are arrogant ...bordering on stupidity, but inherently on the whole honest..
rajasthan jats are on the whole the most honest of all jats....
Not again!!!
Is their any truth in stereotypes?
Punjabis are sweet talking, unreliable, matlabis
Baniyas all the time only think about money..like shylock types...
South Indians only help other south Indians....madrassis help madrassis etc...
South Indians think north Indians have lower IQ than them...
Brahman are the learned ones and ....jats are the.....
Please continue with the stereotyping....

caravi2910
January 9th, 2009, 10:22 AM
A bhole Jat ek to tu bolna seekh le dusra apna dushman pahchanna seekh le



Hi vivek,
You may have some bitter expeirence with this particular community, but i think the whole community should not be painted with the same brush.
Take it as my perception, you might not agree to it.

VivekGathwala
January 9th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Hi vivek,
You may have some bitter expeirence with this particular community, but i think the whole community should not be painted with the same brush.
Take it as my perception, you might not agree to it.


bhai narender modi ne ek baat kahi thi ki sareee musalman ugarvadi nahi hai par har ugarvadi musalman hai

esi parkar main nahi kehta ki inki sariii jati bhrast nahi hai par par desh ke har bade ghotale main inki jatiii ke logo ka naam kyun milta hain


eb DDA SCANDAL MAIN ROZ EK KOI CHAWLA KA NAAM AARAHA HAI




JAI JAT JAI BHAGWAN

anilsangwan
January 9th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Bhai Vivek,

Very good thread. I would say only one thing. As on date only 1% or even lesser Jats are in good businesses. And believe me, most of them are successful!

Whole of business community is captured by other castes - esp Baniya and Refusees. The day our hard working community comes into business, baaki sabb ko kahin peechey hi chhod degi !! They will set new parameters for running business due to their hard work.

A jat can work 16 hours if he gets a good work. Can any other caste beat him then?

I hope this happens soon and we all see our folks leading everywhere! Amen !

harish24
January 9th, 2009, 09:03 PM
A few pakistanis treated me better than many Indians and jats too. Muslims treated me better than hindus.
Of all muslims only pakistanis have complexes and hatred for hindus and Indians. Perhaps because their ancestors ruled over the kaffir hindus!
Arabs and Iranians treated me better than jats and Indians. Muslims from land of babar(uzbekistan) treated me better than many Indians and jats.
Whites and blacks treated me much better than Indians and jats.
What do I make of that?
Of course not good looking woman are not good looking inside too. I found that valid for people of all races and colors. but that is what only I found. hehe..
Now to the stereotypes just for fun...what I heard from other respected jats hehe -
Jats from up are sweet talking, matlabi, ruthless, etc., woman are aggressive and matlabi etc.
sonepat jats are chalu..streetwise..
Rohtak jats are arrogant ...bordering on stupidity, but inherently on the whole honest..
rajasthan jats are on the whole the most honest of all jats....
Not again!!!
Is their any truth in stereotypes?
Punjabis are sweet talking, unreliable, matlabis
Baniyas all the time only think about money..like shylock types...
South Indians only help other south Indians....madrassis help madrassis etc...
South Indians think north Indians have lower IQ than them...
Brahman are the learned ones and ....jats are the.....
Please continue with the stereotyping....
bhai hooda thick kai raha se jat apas me mill ke nahi rahte, i agree with you, we will have to think over it

harish24
January 9th, 2009, 09:14 PM
bhai narender modi ne ek baat kahi thi ki sareee musalman ugarvadi nahi hai par har ugarvadi musalman hai

esi parkar main nahi kehta ki inki sariii jati bhrast nahi hai par par desh ke har bade ghotale main inki jatiii ke logo ka naam kyun milta hain


eb DDA SCANDAL MAIN ROZ EK KOI CHAWLA KA NAAM AARAHA HAI




JAI JAT JAI BHAGWAN
Bhai ghathewala kate lath gade diya, sahi jach raha se bhai hoke ke sath, yahe to jat ke pehchan se, re maje liye ja bhai jat raja or nue eye batchit karta rahe.jai ram ji ki.sangwan.

VivekGathwala
January 10th, 2009, 03:53 AM
"Hai Liya Hathiyar Dusman Tak Mai Bedhai Udhar

Or Hum Tayar Hai Sina Liya Apna Idhar

Khoon Se Kehla Ge Holi Agar Bhai Koi Muskil Mai Hai."


"Hath Jin Mai Ho Juno Kate Nahi Talwar Se

Sar Jo Udah Jate Hai Wo Juhkte Nahi Lalkar Se

Or Badke Ga Wo Shola Jo Hamare Dil Mai Hai"

Agar Desh Ko Badlne Ki Bat Karte Ho To Bato Se Kam Nahi Chale Ga.....................Marne Ke Liya Kitna Tayar Hai


"AA Mera Bhole Kisan Tu Meri Do Bate Man Le Ek Too Bolna Sekh Lai Or Ek Dusman Ko Pehchan Le"

amans
January 11th, 2009, 12:19 AM
Bhai Vivek,

Very good thread. I would say only one thing. As on date only 1% or even lesser Jats are in good businesses. And believe me, most of them are successful!

Whole of business community is captured by other castes - esp Baniya and Refusees. The day our hard working community comes into business, baaki sabb ko kahin peechey hi chhod degi !! They will set new parameters for running business due to their hard work.

A jat can work 16 hours if he gets a good work. Can any other caste beat him then?

I hope this happens soon and we all see our folks leading everywhere! Amen !
Jat ko jat ke liye ghadda khodne se phurasat milee tho jat kuch karee!
Baniya aur refugee chalakee see apna kaam nikal leta hae par jat re jat aappaas meein ladai karnee see phursat milee tho kuch ho. Sab dimag, chalaki aur samajdhari ka khel hae. Pahlee jat ko apne upar kabu pana chayee tho he kuch ho. Par kum hae jat ek dusree ke tarkeee se kush hoteen haeen chayee woh budeee hoon.

sunnyhardeep
January 22nd, 2009, 04:22 AM
Chers Amis,


Je vous souhaite une bonne et merveilleuse Basant Panchmi 2009 à vous et tous les membres de votre famille avec plein de prospérite, santé et bien être.


Meilleures salutations

Sandhu Hardeep00212 61 999 821

English Translation:

Dear Friends,

I wish you good and marvellous Basant Panchmi 2009 to you and all your family members with full of prosperity, health and well being.


Best Greetings

Desi Translation:

Piyare Dosto,

Basant Panchmi ke Jat Parv par main aapko or aapke parivaar ke sadsyon ki Unnati, sehat or khushali ki Kamna karta hoon.
(Please pardon for being weak in Hindi)

VivekGathwala
February 18th, 2009, 04:28 PM
"Hai Liya Hathiyar Dusman Tak Mai Bedhai Udhar

Or Hum Tayar Hai Sina Liya Apna Idhar

Khoon Se Kehla Ge Holi Agar Bhai Koi Muskil Mai Hai."


"Hath Jin Mai Ho Juno Kate Nahi Talwar Se

Sar Jo Udah Jate Hai Wo Juhkte Nahi Lalkar Se

Or Badke Ga Wo Shola Jo Hamare Dil Mai Hai"

Agar Desh Ko Badlne Ki Bat Karte Ho To Bato Se Kam Nahi Chale Ga.....................Marne Ke Liya Kitna Tayar Hai

raka
February 23rd, 2009, 02:13 PM
DDA ghautale me dealer Deepak inhi ki biradari se hain
IPS Sajji Mohan ka saathi tashkar Viky Oberoi
CEC ki report leak karne wala chaplus eC Chawla

VivekGathwala
February 23rd, 2009, 09:19 PM
true rakesh bhaisahb aap ne bilkul sahi kaha in sabhi ke andar bhapee ya refugee yo ki bahut badi bhumikaaaa rahi hai

raka
February 23rd, 2009, 09:37 PM
punjani shabd nahi , bhapey ya refugee