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skadian123
May 22nd, 2009, 11:03 PM
For the first time since independence, any party has explicitly promised reservations on the basis of religion in its manifesto. In an already crowded reservation market, the Congress party promised reservation for the minorities in not only education but also jobs.

Not only is the Congress party bound to implement this promise of reservations, but it has taken the first step in OFFICIALLY dividing the country on the basis of religion besides of course on the basis of the already existing caste and regional faultlines.

Also, earlier the Congress party which came to power in Andhra Pradesh promised and implemented its promise of 5% reservation for Muslims in the state. It was only through the Courts that this decision of the Congress government in AP was struck off.

Is the Congress party not playing with fire while skillfully using vote bank politics to woo the minorities. It is all too clear through experience that especially in a country like ours it is next to impossible to roll back populist and politically motivated decisions that benefit (or at least seem to benefit) the masses. Hence, once implemented fully, any future attempts to roll back muslim reservation would lead to a virtual civil war like situation across the country as we now have a sizeable muslim population spread throughout the country which would go all out to safeguard at any cost the largesse handed over to it on a platter by a vote hungry political outfit.

Fellow members views sought on the arbitrary and Preferential treatment being given to the Muslim community by the Congress governments in the Centre and a few of the states instead of having a UNIFORM CIVIL CODE.

P.S. Views invited only from fellow members who actually have something to contribute to make it a constructive and meaningful discussion and no personal comments in order to have a healthy discussion.

deepakchoudhry
May 23rd, 2009, 03:58 AM
Pata nahin is desh ka kya hoga, Yeh Neta is desh ko tod kar hi dum lengay.

annch
May 23rd, 2009, 04:30 AM
Dear Sir,
To stirr up the discussion, Congress seems to follow the principle put forth by abolitionist-Wendell Phillips:
"Governments exist to protect the rights of minorities. The loved and the rich need no protection: they have many friends and few enemies."
Regards,
Anju

(More to follow in subsequent posts)

For the first time since independence, any party has explicitly promised reservations on the basis of religion in its manifesto. In an already crowded reservation market, the Congress party promised reservation for the minorities in not only education but also jobs.

Not only is the Congress party bound to implement this promise of reservations, but it has taken the first step in OFFICIALLY dividing the country on the basis of religion besides of course on the basis of the already existing caste and regional faultlines.

Also, earlier the Congress party which came to power in Andhra Pradesh promised and implemented its promise of 5% reservation for Muslims in the state. It was only through the Courts that this decision of the Congress government in AP was struck off.

Is the Congress party not playing with fire while skillfully using vote bank politics to woo the minorities. It is all too clear through experience that especially in a country like ours it is next to impossible to roll back populist and politically motivated decisions that benefit (or at least seem to benefit) the masses. Hence, once implemented fully, any future attempts to roll back muslim reservation would lead to a virtual civil war like situation across the country as we now have a sizeable muslim population spread throughout the country which would go all out to safeguard at any cost the largesse handed over to it on a platter by a vote hungry political outfit.

Fellow members views sought on the arbitrary and Preferential treatment being given to the Muslim community by the Congress governments in the Centre and a few of the states instead of having a UNIFORM CIVIL CODE.

P.S. Views invited only from fellow members who actually have something to contribute to make it a constructive and meaningful discussion and no personal comments in order to have a healthy discussion.

aryasatyadev
May 23rd, 2009, 05:01 AM
Sunil Bhai, as Anjoo has stated, the government has to protect the rights of the minorities, and this was the issue that might have crept in the minds of our Constitution Committee members at the time of forming the constitution.
But now the question should be for how long and in what amount?
The congress party or any other party for that reason is providing the answers, The reservation is here to stay, because no party is willing to loose the votes. As far as the amount is concerned it is and will keep on increasing........
So, now what are the outcome of this reservation system
1) The reserved categories are becoming more and more lethargic, they think they will get the job, anyway.
2) Others like we Jats are becoming more determined to achieve the success that is being denied to us.
3) The haterd for the concerned community is increasing.

Now what should we do......
1) Vote for different party (if you find a better one tell me)
2) Follow the example of Parsis, the ultra minority in India, they don't want reservation and had never lobbied for the same.

More to continue...........

brahmtewatia
May 23rd, 2009, 03:00 PM
thanks sunil, once again to bring this topic UP for discussion. although i'm pretty sure this wont open up the eyes of all these alienated academicians who seek refuge in p(sadu)-sickularism nd irrational tolerance nd use institutionalized tolerance as a recipe for moral uncertainty... but for sure, they will realize tht some day... i hope nd pray tht they would realize, before it is too late. i am pretty sure, they wont even show their FACE over here... SICK !!!

is it any wonder that with such a slavish mentality india was ruled for so long ??? this whole drama over who is more holy in the indian political scene reminds me of this couplet by some poet…

“tujhse pehle voh jo shaks yahaan takht-nashin tha,
usko bhi apney khuda honay pay itna hi yakeen tha”

let’s all claim backwardness… shall we ???

after all we are a backward country, a third world one. why not officially be a part of the OBC/ST/SC/Minority categories ???

all of India will get the benefits !!! :rolleyes:

yes, sir we will !!!

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bhanu pratap mehta, who is visiting professor of government at harvard university… this is what he said on muslim reservations when they were trying to get them implemented in AP, india… just excerpts here..


Will reservation benefit the Muslims in India? (article excerpts)

The space for an autonomous Muslim politics has been almost non-existent, caught between political parties that ominously target them, and political parties that cynically use them. And Muslim politics has not been well served by its leaders, who have been reluctant to democratize institutions relevant to Muslims. All of these forces have combined to ensure that Muslims, rather than being integrated as equal citizens, unencumbered by the weight of their identities, are constantly put in the position of being a supplicant minority. Millions of ordinary Muslims have paid the price for this myopia.

What the Muslims need most of all is defeating the ideologies of hate that have made them more vulnerable over the last decade or so. Hindutva was, in part, made possible by Congress’s footloose interpretation of secularism. On this view secularism meant generating a political dynamic whereby religious groups would jostle with state for benefits qua religious communities.

This was a secularism of political expediency, not a secularism of principle. It created an ugly politics, where different religious groups would measure their standing by how many concessions they had mange to wrest from the state qua religious groups. Rather than making religious identities irrelevant for politics and public policies, it opened up space for them even more insistently. Anybody familiar with our recent history ought to understand that this reification of religious identities and their intrusion into public policy is a recipe for disaster. It is wishful thinking to suppose that enacting reservations for Muslims qua Muslims, will not unleash a politics of that kind again. We will all start measuring what a government does, not by the general provisions it makes for the common good, but by the benefits it targets towards particular communities. Anyone familiar with recent Indian history ought to be disturbed by this scenario, for its biggest beneficiaries are going to be the votaries of Hindutva.

It could be argued that the fear of Hindutva cannot be allowed to hold desirable policies to ransom. There is some truth to this, but risking a politics of religious competition of the kind Congress subject us to for two decades, better have a compelling moral and political justification. Reservations for Muslims have no such justification. It will not help them economically. It might marginally increase their representation in the state, but unleash a process that alienates them from politics further. It is against the rather wise consensus of our founding fathers that the history of Muslims and Dalits cannot be equated. And it is against norms of fairness, for it will only underscore the deprivation of those who are poor but don’t fall under any category of reservations. The Congress is once again playing politics on a delicate matter and will put in jeopardy the interests of those it is pretending to help.

deepakchoudhry
May 23rd, 2009, 04:57 PM
Dear Sir,
To stirr up the discussion, Congress seems to follow the principle put forth by abolitionist-Wendell Phillips:
"Governments exist to protect the rights of minorities. The loved and the rich need no protection: they have many friends and few enemies."
Regards,
Anju

(More to follow in subsequent posts)

Trying to fit a square peg into round hole will never work.

India is unique and its problems are unique.

I think word should be equal opportunities and a level playing field, which none will oppose.

And who will set the cut off point when to stop giving this so called protection to the minorities.

This Idea of giving reservation on the basis of religion or caste is absolutely absurd.

Equal opportunities should be given to anyone who is at bottom of the society it is so simple.

Aur Minorities ka model kaisay apply karoge, Kisi state main hindu jaydaa hai, Kisi main muslim aur kisi main christian.

ssgoyat
May 23rd, 2009, 07:00 PM
wtf..

i even heard there could be chances of extending f**'n' quota in private sector as well..

source: http://business.rediff.com/money/2009/may/19/new-govt-may-seek-quotas-in-pvt-sector.htm

where would we go NOW?

SANDEEP5
May 23rd, 2009, 07:58 PM
Muslims are no more minors in india !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake up indian politicians !!!!!!!!!

Don't do all this fuss for votes..............

deepakchoudhry
May 24th, 2009, 03:44 PM
Muslims are no more minors in india !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake up indian politicians !!!!!!!!!

Don't do all this fuss for votes..............


Very True.....

annch
May 24th, 2009, 11:18 PM
Minorities in terms of population or in terms of representation in governmental, non-governmental educational or professional institutions??

pdpbeniwal
May 25th, 2009, 02:03 AM
Minorities in terms of population or in terms of representation in governmental, non-governmental educational or professional institutions??
population

annch
May 25th, 2009, 03:52 AM
Pradeep,
Thanks for the confirmation.
The National Commission for minorities still has Muslims in its list. So,legally,Muslims are still a religious minority.
So, why are they still included in the list when they are no longer a "minority" (as other respected members have stated)?
Regards


population

annch
May 25th, 2009, 05:03 AM
Sunil ji,

Why would the politicians not take advantage of the undercurrent of various divisions among its citizens? Caste, religion, region, economic development....Muslims stand united today at 12% on who to vote for, why won't Congress try to garner these votes?

Satyadev ji is right, reservation is here to stay. We are in favor of not granting reservation to muslims, but we ourselves had no constraints for vying for a BC status at state level for availing the opportunities open to BC?

There is plenty of rhetoric on uniform civil code in India and how it would not be easy to manifest.

The bottomline- we are already divided on the basis of religion, the appeasement policy of Congress may just push the wedge a little further.

Regards.

pdpbeniwal
May 25th, 2009, 05:29 AM
Sunil ji,

Why would the politicians not take advantage of the undercurrent of various divisions among its citizens? Caste, religion, region, economic development....Muslims stand united today at 12% on who to vote for, why won't Congress try to garner these votes? .
Yes,It is a tragic fact.


The bottomline- we are already divided on the basis of religion, the appeasement policy of Congress may just push the wedge a little further.
Here comes the ignorance of the real impact.Undoubtedly,We are divided on the bais of religion.But generally there is no issue until unless the religion is brought into the picture.When something is done propelling the religion into the limelight,the rift we were just talking about starts to highlighten itself.
So It is a tragic fact that we are divided on several attributes but the politics of the parties to widen the gapes between us just for the sake of their vested interests is by no means justifiable.

skadian123
May 25th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Thanks to Anju, Satyadev, Brahm, Deepak, Beniwal bhai, SS, Sandeep for posting your valuable views and still awaiting more...

Dear Anju,

Appreciate your views and viewpoint. To take it further, whether we like it or not, no political party including especially the Congress party ever believes in or follows any principle. Their only principle is Votes even if that requires setting the country on fire.

You and Satya Dev bhai could not be more right when you say that it is the duty of any popularly elected government to safeguard the interests of each and every cross-section of the society/population. Having said that, the question that arises is, is the father figure/mother figure (The Congress government) not so willfully and blissfully ignoring the elder child (the so-called majority community) by pampering the younger one (the so-called minority community) at the cost of the former. Every mother figure or father figure for that matter would like to give equal opportunities to all its children by providing them equal opportunities in terms of food & nutrition, education, clothing etc. Whereas what is happening in the present context is that the father figure/mother figure is not only giving the younger child's (minority) share to the younger child, but also taking off a good chunk of the elder child's share of the allocated resources and giving to the younger child thereby leaving the elder child to go partly hungry and fending for itself to fill its half empty stomach.

Whichever perspective we take for the Muslims (whether as a proportion of the total population or as a proportion of representation in jobs and other arenas), the muslims enjoy a much better fate in this country in comparison to even some of the muslim majority and dominated nations. As some wise man said long time ago, YOU CAN TAKE A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE IT DRINK, you can give opportunities to the muslims but you cannot force them to avail of them. Giving opportunities is very different from giving preferential treatment.

Now coming to Satyadev bhai's question regarding the alternatives available with us (the common man). We have been fighting and waiting for the monster of caste-based reservation to disappear for so long, but the same has been flourishing much beyond its mandated life span, thanks to our "holier than thou" political masters. The Indian electorate no doubt faces a tough question today - Devil or the deep sea? All the political parties are very much the same.

However, we cannot and should not be taken for a ride by these political parties especially the ones that shout from rooftops calling others communal and having their own hands full of blood of innocents. Not only that, paving the way for future bifurcation/trifurcation of society (on the basis of religion) and the consequent bloodshed.

The Congress party's gameplan - On the one hand, using the carrot of development in front of the urban middle class and other sections of the majority community and at the same time, concealing that they have promised reservation to muslims. On the other hand, highlighting muslim reservation in muslim dominated/majority areas. Is the Congress government not playing Brutus with the common man by double gaming it? And yet we are unable to read between the lines of its machiavellian strategy so craftfully drafted in the form its manifesto and also the fine lines at the bottom.

The muslim community as rightly pointed out by Anju, as a unwritten rule/code votes en bloc to keep the BJP out or vote in favour of political parties which are explicitly pro-muslims and anti-BJP. As far as Hindus who would soon be in minority considering the substantial and consistent influx of the Bangladeshis and the ever growing local muslim population are concerned, they would realise their follies, sooner or later.

Development if at all we may call it development (especially the one viewed from the Congress prism) may be (??) good but what good would it be when the very existence of the country would be at risk...



Dear Sir,
To stirr up the discussion, Congress seems to follow the principle put forth by abolitionist-Wendell Phillips:
"Governments exist to protect the rights of minorities. The loved and the rich need no protection: they have many friends and few enemies."
Regards,
Anju

(More to follow in subsequent posts)

aryasatyadev
May 26th, 2009, 05:55 AM
Dear Sunil, thanks for analysing all the posts.
Although I am neither a supporter of Congress nor of any other party, however my contention is that the Mandal commision report which started all this political drama in the first place was the handywork of a Congress government, but the government dare not presented the report before the house. they kept it under wraps. This report was unearthed by a certain Mr. VP Singh, who was the then Prime Minister of India with the help of BJP and Tau Devilal and CPI and all other parties except congress. Now the governments after governments are only towing the same line as set by him.
You are right that the father/mother figure should not favor one child above other, but for that the all children has to be equal--in all respect-- if they are not equal it is the duty of the father/mother to feed the waekling so that it can come at par with the stronger one.
Yes, muslims are enjoying much better fate in our country compared to any other muslim nation. But, still something is needed ---WHY????----- let me tell you a case study:
At the time of independence, many a muslim families in Haryana, converted to Hinduism, they are now a days known as Sikka in many villages. They had the same names as the hindus of that village i.e. Diwan, Sahbe, Kewal, Mauji etc. Etc. they had the same costume and used to participate in all festivals with equal ferver (I have not seen any Masjid in a Jat dominated village in Haryana, however, i may be wrong as I haven't seen all the villages )------ then came the time of Hindu renaissance in 1992 and we saw the demolishen of Babri structure in Ayoddhya, which triggred many riots throughout the country. After that period the same Diwan changed to Diwan Khan, Sahbe changed to Shahabuddin etc.... They starded wearing their skullcap and are demanding seprate land for worshipping and funeral. The muslims lost the faith in the government. Doesn't they and all of us know:
1. That since Independence we never had any Muslim Army Chief.
2. That only muslim HM was Mufti Md. Saed. that too during the tenure of VP Singh.
3. That muslims are not allowed entry in SPG.

So, dear we need to instill faith in them that the govet. cares, that we (the majority cares). Providing reservation in jobs is a part of this all.

skadian123
May 26th, 2009, 11:20 AM
Dear Satya,

As I said in my earlier post, yes in fact it is the state’s obligation to ensure that all cross sections of the society/population are taken care of. I also mentioned in my subsequent reply that there is a whole world of difference between giving opportunities and giving preferential treatment.

There has been no discrimination on the basis of religion in India whichever sphere you may consider. Whoever has reached the topmost posts has reached there either on the basis of merit or lately through money/political push or pull. Muslims have done well and are still doing well in all the spheres of life in India and occupy some of the most lucrative and sought after positions including ex-presidents/ current vice-president etc. etc. I am sure, we would run out of space in case we start listing the names of the achievers and holders of high positions from the muslim community in India.

To dwell on your point of there having been no muslim army chief or home minister, well that is even the case with many castes and communities including Jats. Does that also make the case for securing a place for Jats and other under-represented communities in higher offices by asking for example Prime Ministership for Gurjars and Presidentship for Jats etc. In case all the castes, communities and faiths in India start demanding particular higher positions in Government/Non Government organizations, we would reach the state of civil war as in Afghanistan where the entire country was torn apart on the basis of clan/tribe faultlines – wherein you had Pashtuns controlling one part of the country, the Durranis controlling another and so on and so forth.

What a mother/figure would do to look after a child who is a weakling is to generate extra resources to feed it and not take away the share of the elder child to feed the younger one. What the Congress government could have done instead of muslim reservations was to generate awareness amongst the community towards the benefits of modern education and thinking. Instead, what it has done is hand over crutches to the community which the community would not like to give away even when it can actually run leave aside walk.

Well, neither am I a supporter of any political party. Even then, would like to add that the Congress party has failed countless Indians including me on so many aspects of governance including the all too critical national security (current as well as future) aspect. And now its reservation for muslims. One can only wonder where will all this muck stop...


Dear Sunil, thanks for analysing all the posts.
Although I am neither a supporter of Congress nor of any other party, however my contention is that the Mandal commision report which started all this political drama in the first place was the handywork of a Congress government, but the government dare not presented the report before the house. they kept it under wraps. This report was unearthed by a certain Mr. VP Singh, who was the then Prime Minister of India with the help of BJP and Tau Devilal and CPI and all other parties except congress. Now the governments after governments are only towing the same line as set by him.
You are right that the father/mother figure should not favor one child above other, but for that the all children has to be equal--in all respect-- if they are not equal it is the duty of the father/mother to feed the waekling so that it can come at par with the stronger one.
Yes, muslims are enjoying much better fate in our country compared to any other muslim nation. But, still something is needed ---WHY????----- let me tell you a case study:
At the time of independence, many a muslim families in Haryana, converted to Hinduism, they are now a days known as Sikka in many villages. They had the same names as the hindus of that village i.e. Diwan, Sahbe, Kewal, Mauji etc. Etc. they had the same costume and used to participate in all festivals with equal ferver (I have not seen any Masjid in a Jat dominated village in Haryana, however, i may be wrong as I haven't seen all the villages )------ then came the time of Hindu renaissance in 1992 and we saw the demolishen of Babri structure in Ayoddhya, which triggred many riots throughout the country. After that period the same Diwan changed to Diwan Khan, Sahbe changed to Shahabuddin etc.... They starded wearing their skullcap and are demanding seprate land for worshipping and funeral. The muslims lost the faith in the government. Doesn't they and all of us know:
1. That since Independence we never had any Muslim Army Chief.
2. That only muslim HM was Mufti Md. Saed. that too during the tenure of VP Singh.
3. That muslims are not allowed entry in SPG.

So, dear we need to instill faith in them that the govet. cares, that we (the majority cares). Providing reservation in jobs is a part of this all.

rakeshsehrawat
May 26th, 2009, 12:00 PM
घर का जोगी जोगडा बाहर का जोगी सिद्ध

कान्ग्रेस जीत गयी ! हमारे सम्रथन से जीती (मै अपनी नही जाट समाज की बात कर रहा हू) लेकिन ये आज पहली बार नही हो रहा कि उसने मुसल्मनो या दूसरे पिछडे वर्गो को आगे बढाने के लिये उन्हे अराक्सन देने की बात करी है! आरक्सन से पिस तो जाट ही रहे है! पन्डित शुरु से पढे लिखे होते थे ! बनिया वर्ग शुरु से धनाढ्य है ! जाट अपने अहन्कार मे चूर और अपने अग्यान्ता के कारण अन्धकार मे ही रहा !
" अड़ मखा हैं जाट हैं जाट " करके बाह्मण अर बनिए जाट ने बेवकूफ बनाते रहे अर जाट बनता रहा आज भी बन रहा है आज थोडा सा फरक है ! आज जाट पढ़ लिख के बेवकूफ बन रहा है ! OBC आरक्षण भी सुना है की १८% और बढेगा जाट को क्या मिलेगा? आज भी कोई जाट ये मांग नहीं कर रहा की जातिवाद पे आरक्षण बंद करो ! आरक्षण लोगो के सामाजिक स्तर पर होना चाहिए ! लेकिन जिन्हें आज एक मंत्री पद नसीब नहीं हो रहा वो किस बात की मांग करेंगे? Beggers are not choosers
और कितना समय है जो हम ऐसे ही आरक्षण रुपी दैत्य का भक्षण होते रहेंगे ? कांग्रेस ने इलेक्शन जीतते ही जाट बाहुल्य क्षेत्रो से मिली जीत को भुला दिया " ये तो बेवकूफ हैं इनका के पड़े रहन दयो " कई भाइयो को मेरी बात चुभेंगी लेकिन मैंने सिर्फ वोहि कहा जो सच है कांग्रेस विरोध अपनी जगह है और इसका एक सबसे बड़ा कारण आरक्षण है ! मेरे दोस्तों सिर्फ आरक्षण के मुद्दे पे बोलना मेरे विचारो पे कटाक्ष करने से कुछ नहीं मिलेगा !

rohitmalik8
May 26th, 2009, 03:58 PM
घर का जोगी जोगडा बाहर का जोगी सिद्ध

कान्ग्रेस जीत गयी ! हमारे सम्रथन से जीती (मै अपनी नही जाट समाज की बात कर रहा हू) लेकिन ये आज पहली बार नही हो रहा कि उसने मुसल्मनो या दूसरे पिछडे वर्गो को आगे बढाने के लिये उन्हे अराक्सन देने की बात करी है! आरक्सन से पिस तो जाट ही रहे है! पन्डित शुरु से पढे लिखे होते थे ! बनिया वर्ग शुरु से धनाढ्य है ! जाट अपने अहन्कार मे चूर और अपने अग्यान्ता के कारण अन्धकार मे ही रहा !
" अड़ मखा हैं जाट हैं जाट " करके बाह्मण अर बनिए जाट ने बेवकूफ बनाते रहे अर जाट बनता रहा आज भी बन रहा है आज थोडा सा फरक है ! आज जाट पढ़ लिख के बेवकूफ बन रहा है ! OBC आरक्षण भी सुना है की १८% और बढेगा जाट को क्या मिलेगा? आज भी कोई जाट ये मांग नहीं कर रहा की जातिवाद पे आरक्षण बंद करो ! आरक्षण लोगो के सामाजिक स्तर पर होना चाहिए ! लेकिन जिन्हें आज एक मंत्री पद नसीब नहीं हो रहा वो किस बात की मांग करेंगे? Beggers are not choosers
और कितना समय है जो हम ऐसे ही आरक्षण रुपी दैत्य का भक्षण होते रहेंगे ? कांग्रेस ने इलेक्शन जीतते ही जाट बाहुल्य क्षेत्रो से मिली जीत को भुला दिया " ये तो बेवकूफ हैं इनका के पड़े रहन दयो " कई भाइयो को मेरी बात चुभेंगी लेकिन मैंने सिर्फ वोहि कहा जो सच है कांग्रेस विरोध अपनी जगह है और इसका एक सबसे बड़ा कारण आरक्षण है ! मेरे दोस्तों सिर्फ आरक्षण के मुद्दे पे बोलना मेरे विचारो पे कटाक्ष करने से कुछ नहीं मिलेगा !

Rakesh Ji,

I am very much in favor of you, but the main point still lies why do we need reservation in the first place. According to my point of view the politicians are just spreading hatered among different communities and castes in our country by giving reservation.

Reservation should or can be based on economical status. I'll give you a real incident as an example here.

We have a servant with us who doesn't come under any reservation. He has his son preparing for AIEEE. I myself had watched him preparing for the entrance exams day and night. He studied nearly 14-15 hours a day.and then his father, being so poor was not allowing him to take tutions etc. (Later on he took loan from us and allowed him to take tutions/books etc.) Even securing very good marks he couldnt make to top colleges.

Same year one of my Uncle's Son (he is SC and is at high position in high Court) gave also the exam and cleared it comfortably getting admission in one of the Best Engineering College.

Main thing here is though my servant's son has secured more marks in every subject wrt my Uncle's son he was unable to get admission in good college. Is this the justice by our politicians? Whom they are trying to back and make come forward?

Thats why reservation for economically deprieved should be there and not according to their caste/religion.

PS: The above thoughts are my personal and not intended to provoke anybody's feelings.

vikasgulia
May 26th, 2009, 07:41 PM
By very birth in India, we are destined to be ruled by the esteemed first family of India. They have been mandated by the very God to rule india and steer the largely communal population of India on the path of secularism and co-existence.

With this, henceforth no contest should be expected & allowed from the public, as the voice of congress is the is the thought of first family and their thoughts are inspired by the very GOD. The instructions from Congress should be our command. Over and out....

Nation may be doomed (i believe it is already destined to be so) and the above comments would qualify for negativisim and personal tirade against the first family... which does not behoove in our largely peaceful society.

Her Highness' wish is our command. Jai Ho. this is the gospel..Amen

However, poor, out of place and off topic, logic stripped the above comments be, but sadly they are true

Though it is different case that congress has done soem good work in Haryana, but this does not necessarily mean that they should rule india, but alas even after 60yrs, no alternative yet
Long live the Queen!!:rock

mandothia
May 26th, 2009, 11:30 PM
Ram Ram

Ek baat ye hai ki ye reservation system hi kun na khatam kar diya jaye.....if not able to end this, just a little modification can be helpful to make this practically correct.......like give the reservation to those who are economically weak. Give reservation on the grounds of economic condition of public not because of they are from a particular cast or religion........this type of clasification (cast or religion) can be very dangrous for our country.
one more thing giving reservation on the basis of cast or religion is not that much right....i personally knew many families who are in general cetagory but there financial condition is very very weak compareing to those who are enjoying reservation.....So Where is the benefits of reservation????????
I request all the politician of my country (not the leaders as we usually call them) please stop doing this kind of cheap politics........we can not bear more the burn......as we already had from Babri Masjid.... Godhara and many more.....
Bharat ko aage badhne do.....ai kukurmutton(politicians)...

skadian123
May 31st, 2009, 12:27 PM
We have had an interesting discussion here so far with varied and valid views on reservations for muslims (minorities).

With the appointment of Mr. Salman Khurshid as the minorities affairs minister, we have some further developments in the form of a proposal for an Equal Opportunities Commission based on the Sachar Committee Report.

As mentioned in my earlier reply, muslims have so far got their rightful due and are still getting their rightful due as the citizens of this country. In terms of numbers, they cannot have equal representation in government and private jobs because of their numerical strength being less at least till the present day (though with their population growing at the speed of thought, they would soon be a majority). It would be unfair to demand for them 50% reservation in all government and private jobs and of course education JUST to make them feel comfortable in India and to give them a feeling of being treated fairly (better than the rest). It would be suicidal for the nation to even think of reservations on religious lines. As is the case of reserved electoral seats on caste lines, we would have reserved seats on the basis of religion.

Where is this progressive party - THE CONGRESS PARTY taking the nation to? Creation of an Equal Opportunities Commission now as if a separate full-fledged minorities affairs ministry was not enough.

It is sad to note that we have actually come too far from the point where we took pride while claiming in front of the world community that we have a Christian leader of the largest political party (Congress), a muslim president and a sikh PM. This was a perfect example of gross manipulations at the highest levels of the government in the country. APJ abdul Kalam might be the best scientist, but was he the best candidate available for the post of the President - was being a muslim his biggest trumpcard which no political party worth its salt dared to oppose. Manmohan Singh, may be the best economist India has ever had, but is he also the best person to be the prime minister of India?

Congress party has at its helm, a lady who does not know the abc of Indian culture and traditions. There is no harm in having a foreigner at a higher post but that person of foreign origin should know what India and being an Indian is. Wearing a saree and reading Hindi speeches written in English does not qualify her to be the president of the largest political party. And what to talk of the gimmicks of Rahul baba and Priyanka!!! They will soon forget the discomfort of the harsh campaingning days in the sun and would as usual be regular visitors to the spas and the gliteratti and social parties. Long live Indian democracy and here we (THE COMMON MAN) are befooled by those political gimmicks and stunts and have ensured that Madam Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Baba and Priyanka and others of their ilk enjoy the comforts of their airconditioned abodes for the next 5 years without even having to think of us...

EVEN SIKHS ARE A MINORITY AND THEY HAVE DONE REALLY WELL FOR THEMSELVES AND THE NATION WITHOUT ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT BEING GIVEN TO THEM...BUT THEN WE HAVE TO BUY WHATEVER THE CONGRESS SELLS AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS...

skadian123
July 5th, 2009, 09:27 PM
All of those working in the private sector also must now be prepared to live with the fact of life - reservation as very soon the government will implement reservation on the basis of caste and RELIGION in private sector also.

Though Mr. Salman Khurshid is in favour of affirmative action by the corporates according to which the corporates without any government imposition of reservations will have to on their own reserve positions with them for SC/ST/OBC/Muslims etc, there is every possibility that the government in its efforts to woo the muslims might go the extra mile in imposing reservations in the Private sector.

Not only would reservation affect jobs and education, it would affect even the business class. Sushree Mayawati has announced 21% reservation for SCs in allotment of government contracts in UP and an additional 2% for STs.

Long live Indian Democracy and the Congress and the Like-Congress parties. Instead of reducing reservation, they are taking it to 100% and that too in all spheres of life. Way to go Ms. Sonia Gandhi and Mayawati!! But we will still vote for Congress as its definition of democracy and development matches with the one that suits us (at least those who voted for it) personally....

mann123
July 6th, 2009, 02:04 AM
Just to comment on this already hot topic.

Reservation in private sector has already been enforced by Meera Kumar former cabinet minister in 2007. I know this because I was part of the recruitment process in one of the top 5 IT company in India and we use to see "Affirmative Action" candidate in the forms even.

I have seen many inconclusive debates on this site and attracted critism from my friends for favouring reservations to Jats.

As per the Congress logic the muslims will be in minority untill they cross the 50% mark in our total population. (just for all your info Hindus are not minority where they are below 50%).

The fact is traditionally Jats are pro congress and will be even if they do any kind of damage to us.

I appreciate if anyone can visit any muslim country specially a female and see the so called Affirmative Action for the minorties over there. This is one more attempt of dividing our country and I think many can see couple of future pakistan's out of our country named Bharat.

mann123
July 6th, 2009, 02:14 AM
Don't worry Bhai khatam bhee howega but pehle le to lo. For update Tamil Naidu is only state with more than 65% reservation. Now Christian demands that they don't need reservation as they are not getting benifit out of it.

http://www.groundreport.com/World/Chirstians-In-Tamil-Nadu-not-interested-in-R


Ram Ram

Ek baat ye hai ki ye reservation system hi kun na khatam kar diya jaye.....)...

deepika
July 6th, 2009, 08:26 AM
This is non sense.There should be no reservation in Private sector:mad:
All of those working in the private sector also must now be prepared to live with the fact of life - reservation as very soon the government will implement reservation on the basis of caste and RELIGION in private sector also.

Though Mr. Salman Khurshid is in favour of affirmative action by the corporates according to which the corporates without any government imposition of reservations will have to on their own reserve positions with them for SC/ST/OBC/Muslims etc, there is every possibility that the government in its efforts to woo the muslims might go the extra mile in imposing reservations in the Private sector.

Not only would reservation affect jobs and education, it would affect even the business class. Sushree Mayawati has announced 21% reservation for SCs in allotment of government contracts in UP and an additional 2% for STs.

Long live Indian Democracy and the Congress and the Like-Congress parties. Instead of reducing reservation, they are taking it to 100% and that too in all spheres of life. Way to go Ms. Sonia Gandhi and Mayawati!! But we will still vote for Congress as its definition of democracy and development matches with the one that suits us (at least those who voted for it) personally....

skadian123
July 8th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Government in its policy of Muslim appeasement has removed all full stops of decency in explicitly favouring one community over the other.

The Congress government has allocated special funds for Aligarh Muslim University to set up campuses in Muslim dominated areas of Kerala and West Bengal. Why does it have to be AMU only to set up shop in these specified areas? Why could it not have been any new university or the extension of educational services by the local universities in these areas?

The AMU has demanded to set up shops across 5 muslim dominated locations across the country out of which 2 have already got clearance and funds from the government, the rest are in the pipeline.

The Congress government is playing with fire, the repercussions of which will have to be faced ultimately by people like you and me and generations to come.

Instead of favouring liberal and actually secular education and educational environment, we are coming up with newer institutions or offshoots of older ones having very strong religious foundation/inclination.

Yes of course, the Congress is a SECULAR/SICKULAR (Term borrowed from Brahm Tewatia) PARTY :( (I believe in that case we need to change the definition of secularism)