Should we allow Sikh JAT's (JATT's) and Muslim JAT's on JATland ?

[brahmtewatia]

this site JATland, as we all know is for hindu JAT's only. i don’t know whether this subject has been taken up for discussion earlier or not, but the question of allowing sikh JAT's (JATT's) nd Muslim JAT's on JATland, comes up every now nd then.

JAT's, as we all know is a race nd not a caste/sub-caste, community or religion… then why this discrimination against sikh nd muslim JAT's ? as per my knowledge all sikhs are JAT’s first then a sikh nd a majority of muslim JAT's are converts to islam. i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion. having said so, we must not forget, tht this will also allow the variety in opinions from other JAT's nd would give some good as well as bad perspectives. will JAT's (hindu, muslim nd sikh) be able to ever unite ?

i invite fellow members to share their views as to what they think about the subject… whether they would like to have sikh JAT's only or muslim JAT's as well or none of them. what they think will be the repercussions, if at all they are allowed ? on the subject, we can also discuss on the similarities nd dissimilarities among hindu, muslim nd sikh JAT's. a poll is also added to the thread to reach some conclusion.

p.s. : the post does not carry my personal views… the subject is raised for discussion only.

[ravinderjeet]

Tewatia ji,Namaskar,
today only i posted some points related with jat is a race or a cast in history section.if it is a race than thier should not be any discrmination among jats.We should keep in mind that dharma will not be disscussed.
Sikhs are part of vedic dharma only and befor Guru Gobind Singhji they ware known as Nanakpanthies.We must go for it.

[rajivsp]

This is the only site I have seen dedicated to Hindu Jats, let it be Hindu Jat Site. I am not sure but there will be many sites open to all Jats.
To unite Hindu Jats is the most challenging task if not impossible and our social status is being degraded day by day, let us try to bring unity and progress among us with the help of this site.

It seems to me Sikh and Muslim jats are already united.

[coolengineer]

A some what similar issue was also discussed earlier
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=173879#post173879

I am open to the idea of allowing Sikh and Muslim jats on JL. After all a JAT is a JAT why differenciate on basis of Religion.I would realy like to know more about fellow Sikh and Muslim Jats.

But I am afraid that it will increase the moderators task to manyfold and things might go very messy.It doesnt look feasible to me.

[amritkharb]

this site JATland, as we all know is for hindu JAT's only. i don’t know whether this subject has been taken up for discussion earlier or not, but the question of allowing sikh JAT's (JATT's) nd Muslim JAT's on JATland, comes up every now nd then.

JAT's, as we all know is a race nd not a caste/sub-caste, community or religion… then why this discrimination against sikh nd muslim JAT's ? as per my knowledge all sikhs are JAT’s first then a sikh nd a majority of muslim JAT's are converts to islam. i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion. having said so, we must not forget, tht this will also allow the variety in opinions from other JAT's nd would give some good as well as bad perspectives. will JAT's (hindu, muslim nd sikh) be able to ever unite ?

i invite fellow members to share their views as to what they think about the subject… whether they would like to have sikh JAT's only or muslim JAT's as well or none of them. what they think will be the repercussions, if at all they are allowed ? on the subject, we can also discuss on the similarities nd dissimilarities among hindu, muslim nd sikh JAT's. a poll is also added to the thread to reach some conclusion.

p.s. : the post does not carry my personal views… the subject is raised for discussion only.

do not allow sikh jats and especially do not allow muslim jats kyonke woh ab jat rahee hae nahee itne hundreds of years dusre muslmannon ke saath vivah racha kar. aapne khud to vote he naheen kiya?

[richi]

oHHH pls no !!we musn't, sikh jats nd muslim jats have such different cultural orientations than we hindu jats !

The views nd ideas emerging from a sikh jat nd a muslim jat are definitely painted in by their different upbringing nd religious norms,

thereby creating a so called 'sect', 'chasm' ,'niche' or 'compartmentalisation' and instead of bringing up a solid ,kewl platform for

progression of we hindu jats there would be sheer wastage of a concrete efforts leading to our integrity being sieved through the

mesh of assertive and fruitless discussions.....cus i think most of our endeavours would be focussed on bridging the gaps between

hindu and sikh jats or hindu and muslim jats.

[ARVINDJANGU]

kyu jat ko dharm ke naam par baant rahe ho . jo inka virodh kar rahe hain unhe shayad apna itihaas ka theek se gyaan nahi . ye log puri tarah se brahmanwadi vichardara ke ho gaye hain . pawariya saab aap jat ko ekatha karne ki baat kar rahe ho , apne to khud jat ko baant diya hain .
ek bhai ne musalmano ke bare me kaha hain ki wo ab naqli ho gaye dusro me shaadi karke to bhai ise naqli to hindu jato me bhi bahut hain unka kya kare ? amrit ji pahle aap un musalman jato ke bare me pata kare phir kuchh bole . yaadi koi musalmaan jat nahi janta to ek aadhe musalman jat ( pakistaan) ka number m de dyunga baat karke dekhna . aise hi sikh jat ke bare me aapne kaha hain . bhai apni soch durust kar le kai din ho gaye naqli shabd ka istemaal karte hue , ye hamare MOD ki kami hain jo apko abhi tak roka nahi .

[amritkharb]

kyu jat ko dharm ke naam par baant rahe ho . jo inka virodh kar rahe hain unhe shayad apna itihaas ka theek se gyaan nahi . ye log puri tarah se brahmanwadi vichardara ke ho gaye hain . pawariya saab aap jat ko ekatha karne ki baat kar rahe ho , apne to khud jat ko baant diya hain .
ek bhai ne musalmano ke bare me kaha hain ki wo ab naqli ho gaye dusro me shaadi karke to bhai ise naqli to hindu jato me bhi bahut hain unka kya kare ? amrit ji pahle aap un musalman jato ke bare me pata kare phir kuchh bole . yaadi koi musalmaan jat nahi janta to ek aadhe musalman jat ( pakistaan) ka number m de dyunga baat karke dekhna . aise hi sikh jat ke bare me aapne kaha hain . bhai apni soch durust kar le kai din ho gaye naqli shabd ka istemaal karte hue , ye hamare MOD ki kami hain jo apko abhi tak roka nahi .

Sirji aap pade likhe nahee lagte. Yeh baat ki muslmman jat dusre muslmaan on ke saath shaddi racah chuke haeen yeh baat chote bachhon ko bhi maloom hae. Mere khud ke dadaji 1965 mein inn pakistaniyoon ke saath laad kar amar ho gayee. inn pakistaniyoon mein mein muslmaan jat bhi the. Samje aap. Saare raat jag kar apna padayi karoon ke aapke bewkoofi bhare bahtton ka jawab doon? Mere samay kyon bewkoofi bhare bhateen karke barbaad karte ho. Aapke saath bahas karna bekar hae. Aap ko jo karna hae kar loo.

[ARVINDJANGU]

Sirji aap pade likhe nahee lagte. Yeh baat ki muslmman jat dusre muslmaan on ke saath shaddi racah chuke haeen yeh baat chote bachhon ko bhi maloom hae. Mere khud ke dadaji 1965 mein inn pakistaniyoon ke saath laad kar amar ho gayee. inn pakistaniyoon mein mein muslmaan jat bhi the. Samje aap. Saare raat jag kar apna padayi karoon ke aapke bewkoofi bhare bahtton ka jawab doon? Mere samay kyon bewkoofi bhare bhateen karke barbaad karte ho. Aapke saath bahas karna bekar hae. Aap ko jo karna hae kar loo.
amrit yaha bina aankh milaye kuchh bhi likhe jao koi farak nahi padta kyoki dar arr sharam aankhya ki hoti hain , yahi baat kya aankh mila kar bhi bool sakta hain ....

[mann123]

Have anybody read the Shree Guru Granth Sahib??

Does anyone know when and how Sikhism came and purpose of it?

if you find answers of these questions then you are more justified to talk on this topic.

We have our senior member Ch. Rajinder Singh Nijjar jee you can take help of him if you want.

Most of the famous Sikh writer says (including the above mentioned)

"You can not be a Sikh unless you are a Hindu"

Don't talk rubbish without facts.

[mann123]

oHHH pls no !!we musn't, sikh jats nd muslim jats have such different cultural orientations than we hindu jats !

.

I think you are in a different world what is different in Sikh Jats then us. Do we so called Hindu Jats have any cultural orientations .....really.

[deepgill]

The way you are writing one post after other and justifying them without showing any respect to fellow JL members is height of shamelessness. You really don’t know at all how to respect senior and elder members. I have followed most of your posts since you started writing on JL. You neither showed any respect at all to members and nor participated in healthy discussions. What you always try to prove is that you are the only one here with wisdom and rest are stupid. But certainly you are proving yourself stupid by behaving the way you behave with elder members and your stubbornness behaviour on all threads. You never look like satisfied and agree with anyone in any thread so far.


Is this the way you speak with your parents, family members and elders?
The most disrespectful words you have used against our respected JL members are
· Bewkoof—which you have used in your last post in this thread against Arvind jangu bhai sahib. Sir ji tho pade hoye nahi lagte but still he is full of patience and behaving nicely with you, whereas you are educated and look at your behaviour with him. you are the one who calling him--bewkoof, nakli..
· Apnee dimag ka istamaal kar ( you used this against a member who is as old as your father )Ye members kaise dimag ka istamaal kara. Saara dimag tho Bhagwan ne tera lag de diya.
· Tanian sharam nahi aayi and apna raasta naap.
So you use these derogatory remarks against your parents as well.


Now come to Dara singh ji thread. You have said that he was a fake wrestler and used to fight in WWF kind of wrestling and you want to respect real warriors and not fake ones. But I don’t understand who has given you right to criticize Dara singh ji and his personality and call him fake. What I personally think is that the only way you look good to criticize someone, by proving you are better than that person in given field, which certainly you are not in Dara singh ji case.


Are you UNDERTAKER or STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN?
If you are, then you have every right and reason to call Dara singh ji a fake wrestler. I really don’t know whether he was fake wrestler or genuine but surely I know one thing that he can kick you out from the ring in a split second even at his age now. So I really don’t understand who has given you this authority. He made every Indian proud by his achievements in international arena.Dara singh was a great wrestler, a very good actor and most importantly a great and humble human being. Try to achieve 5% of what he has achieved in his life and then show any disrespect against him.


It is very easy to call someone fake and criticize. But, by showing bad manners against elders and our heroes you are proving that you are the biggest fake. So, i have a very humble request to you to improve your behaviour and start behaving bit more maturely, which will be very good for you in long run.

[rajivsp]

kyu jat ko dharm ke naam par baant rahe ho . jo inka virodh kar rahe hain unhe shayad apna itihaas ka theek se gyaan nahi . ye log puri tarah se brahmanwadi vichardara ke ho gaye hain . pawariya saab aap jat ko ekatha karne ki baat kar rahe ho , apne to khud jat ko baant diya hain .
.
Nahi Bhai Nahi, Yahan Baat Bantne ki nahi hai, apni capacity ki hai, Division of work - not Division of Jats. We should go step by step, If we are able to unite Hindu Jats then we have to just join hands with Sikhs and Muslim Jats to bring unity in all Jats, They are much more united than us.

If we got a leader like Sir Chhotu Ram Chaudhary, then there is no significance of my Post, he was great leader and able to lead all Hindu-Muslim-Sikh. But unfortunately we are lacking of such leaders.

At my level I can not think of bring unity to even all Hindu Jats, So I want to start it with my village and then go further.
Yadi Gaon Gaon mein Bhaiyaon ke beech Ekta hogi tabhi hum saare Jaton to Ek karne ka soch sakte hain.

[rakeshsehrawat]

ब्रह्म तेवतिया जी या के बांदरा के बीच में भेली बागा दी आपने ?
आडे हिन्दू जाटा के थोड़े खोसडे बाजे हैं आप आडे मुस्लिम और सिख जाटा ने निमंत्रण दो हो ! ये आपने आले तो काबू में आते ना ये ऐ बाव्लिबूच अर बेवकूफ कह हैं एक दुसरे ने और दुसरे भी बटले हो गए तो उन ने काबू में करण खातेर स्पेशल squad बनवाना पड़ेगा ! सारे एक तें एक सयाने हैं इतने सयाने एक जगह कठे करना गलत है ! मेरे वा साधू आली कहानी याद आवे है जिस गाम में उसकी खातिरदारी होई तो बोल्या यु गाम उजड़ जया अरे जड़े लोगा ने गाल दी उडे बोल्या यु गाम बस्या रहना चाहिए ! चेले ने पूछी क्यूँ तो बाबा बोल्या भले आदमी दुनिया में जितने फैलेंगे उतना ऐ बाकी लोग उन ने देख के भले बनेंगे अर बेवकूफ जितने फैलेंगे उतना ऐ दुनिया बेवकूफ होवेगी !
कहानी का सार ये है की इतने समझदार लोग जो हैं वे सारे फैले रहने चाहिए जे सारे आडे बटले हो गए दो दुनिया की समझदारी सारी एक जगह कट्ठी हो जागी फेर बाकी लोगा में समझदारी क्यूकर आवेगी ?

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[amritkharb]

The way you are writing one post after other and justifying them without showing any respect to fellow JL members is height of shamelessness. You really don’t know at all how to respect senior and elder members. I have followed most of your posts since you started writing on JL. You neither showed any respect at all to members and nor participated in healthy discussions. What you always try to prove is that you are the only one here with wisdom and rest are stupid. But certainly you are proving yourself stupid by behaving the way you behave with elder members and your stubbornness behaviour on all threads. You never look like satisfied and agree with anyone in any thread so far.


Is this the way you speak with your parents, family members and elders?
The most disrespectful words you have used against our respected JL members are
· Bewkoof—which you have used in your last post in this thread against Arvind jangu bhai sahib. Sir ji tho pade hoye nahi lagte but still he is full of patience and behaving nicely with you, whereas you are educated and look at your behaviour with him. you are the one who calling him--bewkoof, nakli..
· Apnee dimag ka istamaal kar ( you used this against a member who is as old as your father )Ye members kaise dimag ka istamaal kara. Saara dimag tho Bhagwan ne tera lag de diya.
· Tanian sharam nahi aayi and apna raasta naap.
So you use these derogatory remarks against your parents as well.


Now come to Dara singh ji thread. You have said that he was a fake wrestler and used to fight in WWF kind of wrestling and you want to respect real warriors and not fake ones. But I don’t understand who has given you right to criticize Dara singh ji and his personality and call him fake. What I personally think is that the only way you look good to criticize someone, by proving you are better than that person in given field, which certainly you are not in Dara singh ji case.


Are you UNDERTAKER or STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN?
If you are, then you have every right and reason to call Dara singh ji a fake wrestler. I really don’t know whether he was fake wrestler or genuine but surely I know one thing that he can kick you out from the ring in a split second even at his age now. So I really don’t understand who has given you this authority. He made every Indian proud by his achievements in international arena.Dara singh was a great wrestler, a very good actor and most importantly a great and humble human being. Try to achieve 5% of what he has achieved in his life and then show any disrespect against him.


It is very easy to call someone fake and criticize. But, by showing bad manners against elders and our heroes you are proving that you are the biggest fake. So, i have a very humble request to you to improve your behaviour and start behaving bit more maturely, which will be very good for you in long run.

bhi aik baat bata. Tere paas ek bhi sabut hae ki dara singh ji Asli wrestling mein the. Mein batata hoon. Ek bhi sabut naheen. Aur meine yaahan par sabut de rakhe haeen ki dara singh ji fake wrestling mein the. Aur mere hero sirf asli wrestler saur asli log haeen. Tere tarah filmoon ke chaknee hero aur heroine naheen. So chup raah ab aur phaltu ki bateein na kar. aur tu mere baare mein itna jaanta hae begeer dekhe aur mile? Jaayda filmeen dekh li tanne.

[rakeshsehrawat]

bhi aik baat bata. Tere paas ek bhi sabut hae ki dara singh ji asli wrestling mein the. Mein batata hoon. Ek bhi sabut naheen. Aur meine yaahan par sabut de rakhe haeen ki dara singh ji fake wrestling mein the. Aur mere hero sirf asli wrestler saur asli log haeen. Tere tarah filmoon ke chaknee hero aur heroine naheen. So chup raah ab aur phaltu ki bateein na kar. Aur tu mere baare mein itna jaanta hae begeer dekhe aur mile? Jaayda filmeen dekh li tanne.
थम जा पहलवान कोए बात ना फेर तू के दारा सिंह गेल कुस्ती लड़ के मानेगा ? तेरा हीरो कुण है कुण नहीं इस बात तें के फरक पड़े है ? तू विलेन क्यूँ पाक रहया है ? दुसरे के हीरो को नकली कहना उसके सम्मान पे चोट करना है और तू वोही कर रहा है! तू जिसे हीरो मानता है उसे मान उसकी पूजा कर तुझे कोई नहीं टोकेगा लेकिन दूसरा किसी को सम्मान दे रहा है उसे तू दुत्कार रहा है ये गलत है ! सोच बावले भाई तेरी पूजा की थाली को कोई लात मारे तो तुझे कैसा लगेगा ? सबको वोही महसूस होता है ! मैं उम्मीद करता हूँ की आप आगे से ऐसा नहीं करेंगे और बाकी जाट भाइयो के साथ मिलके कुछ समाज के भले के लिए काम करेंगे !
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[reenarana]

.... and then people say 'Australians are racist' :o:rolleyes:

[SANDEEP5]

.... and then people say 'Australians are racist' :o:rolleyes:


The only relative quote on this thread.......... :)

[rajivsp]

The only relative quote on this thread.......... :)


.... and then people say 'Australians are racist' :o:rolleyes:
No Australians are not racist, they are just angry because Asians eat their jobs at very low price.

Why only Muslims or Sikh Jats, open this forum to everybody, we are liberal.

[ravinderjeet]

I tried two three time to give him(Amrit kherb) a dose of seekh.But he naver responded.Its my humble advise to modretors to ban this fellow or our jatveer should stop responding to his posts.Let him post whatever he want to post.why should we wast our time.

[rocky0036]

jatland should be for all jats

it does not matter that they are
sikh or muslim

[deepgill]

I tried two three time to give him(Amrit kherb) a dose of seekh.But he naver responded.Its my humble advise to modretors to ban this fellow or our jatveer should stop responding to his posts.Let him post whatever he want to post.why should we wast our time.

I totally agree with you Ravinder ji. It is a complete waste of time. He doesn't want to learn. The best thing is that we should not respond to any of his posts and let him say whatever he wants to say.

Best regards
Deepak gill.

[aryasatyadev]

Brahm Bhai, I am in favour of allowing Sikh Jats but against Muslim Jats. While thinking to post the reply I came across following information on origin of jats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Jat_people_from_Shiva's_Locks

Frther, as Islam and Sikkhism are comparatively new escts and out of these two Islam came to India from outside and not originated here. As discussed in aboves posts, Sikhs as we see them today is due to Guru Govind Singh. Now to cut short all this discussion I want to emphasise my point by following two facts:

Muslims came from outside, but not the Jats Muslims, they are converted to Muslim religion either due to fear or due to greed, which is not the characteristic of Jats. Hence in my openion whatever anybody says they are not Jats.
The sikh Jats turned to sikhhism to protect the Hindus of India, they still have the same values and system. The so called Hindu Jats are having 'Roti Beti Ka Naata' with them. Hence they should be allowed.



this site JATland, as we all know is for hindu JAT's only. i don’t know whether this subject has been taken up for discussion earlier or not, but the question of allowing sikh JAT's (JATT's) nd Muslim JAT's on JATland, comes up every now nd then.

JAT's, as we all know is a race nd not a caste/sub-caste, community or religion… then why this discrimination against sikh nd muslim JAT's ? as per my knowledge all sikhs are JAT’s first then a sikh nd a majority of muslim JAT's are converts to islam. i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion. having said so, we must not forget, tht this will also allow the variety in opinions from other JAT's nd would give some good as well as bad perspectives. will JAT's (hindu, muslim nd sikh) be able to ever unite ?

i invite fellow members to share their views as to what they think about the subject… whether they would like to have sikh JAT's only or muslim JAT's as well or none of them. what they think will be the repercussions, if at all they are allowed ? on the subject, we can also discuss on the similarities nd dissimilarities among hindu, muslim nd sikh JAT's. a poll is also added to the thread to reach some conclusion.

p.s. : the post does not carry my personal views… the subject is raised for discussion only.

[choudharyneelam]

There are some Jats in UP who are not completely Jat...hindi mein unhe "mula jat" bolte hain.....u even don't know ki how many such memebers are here......I don't want to hurt anybody's sentiments but when it is open for them also then why not Sikh Jat and Muslim Jat.

We must welcome them with great feeling of love and respect. The environment will not be disturbed by that but it will become more knowledgeable and enjoyable.

One thing m not clear with is Sikh Jatt and Sikh Jat.....what's the difference in two?

[Samarkadian]

There are some Jats in UP who are not completely Jat...hindi mein unhe "mula jat" bolte hain.....u even don't know ki how many such memebers are here......I don't want to hurt anybody's sentiments but when it is open for them also then why not Sikh Jat and Muslim Jat.

We must welcome them with great feeling of love and respect. The environment will not be disturbed by that but it will become more knowledgeable and enjoyable.

One thing m not clear with is Sikh Jatt and Sikh Jat.....what's the difference in two?

An english letter-- T(t).

[poonam]

One thing m not clear with is Sikh Jatt and Sikh Jat.....what's the difference in two?

Jatt is pronounced..rhyming with butt...;)

[amritkharb]

muslim jat jayadatar pakistani punjab mein rahete haen. wahaan terrorist group bhi haeen jo hindustan par hamla karte haeen. Ho sakta hae ki yeh muslmaan jo surname jat ka lagate haeen unn logoon mein shamil hoon.
Lagta hae inn dildar logoon ke ghar see desh ke liye koi naheen lada aur amar hua. Zisko chot lagte hae woh janta hae dard kya hota hae. bakee too dong kar raheen dildar honee ka. Aisa bhi lagta hae ki 65, 71 , kargil ki ladiyoon mein unke ghar ka koi apna kareb ka ladai mein amar naheen hua. Iss dildari ko dhong kahtae haeen.

[dndeswal]

jatt is pronounced..rhyming with butt...;)

ठीक कही, हिन्दी में जल्दी समझ आयेगा ।

चौधरी देवीलाल जी प्रतापसिंह कैरों के समय में पंजाब में मंत्री थे (उस वक्त हरयाणा नहीं बना था) । एक बार मीटिंग में कुछ बहस हो गई । कैरों ने चौधरी देवीलाल से कहा - ओए चौधरी साहब, असीं वीं पंजाब दे जट हाँ ।

देवीलाल ने हरयाणवी में जवाब दिया - मैं भी हरयाणे का जाट सूं - तेरे तैं एक मात्रा फालतू ला रहया सूं ।

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[malikseema]

ठीक कही, हिन्दी में जल्दी समझ आयेगा ।

चौधरी देवीलाल जी प्रतापसिंह कैरों के समय में पंजाब में मंत्री थे (उस वक्त हरयाणा नहीं बना था) । एक बार मीटिंग में कुछ बहस हो गई । कैरों ने चौधरी देवीलाल से कहा - ओए चौधरी साहब, असीं वीं पंजाब दे जट हाँ ।

देवीलाल ने हरयाणवी में जवाब दिया - मैं भी हरयाणे का जाट सूं - तेरे तैं एक मात्रा फालतू ला रहया सूं ।

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hahahhahahahahhhaha.............ya bataye ji aapne katti sahi jata aali baat :D

[malikseema]

.... and then people say 'Australians are racist' :o:rolleyes:
i second ur thought reena ji...........:rock

[brahmtewatia]

thanks all for varied nd worthy responses, as i see different opinions emerging out, on the subject matter.

My answer is a big "NO" for Muslim JAT's !

my reasons:
before signing in again on the subject matter after my title post, i got the chance to go thru the archives nd learnt tht the matter was raised for discussion several times, but with no outcome. i hope, we reach to some conclusion(s) this time, as i request other/senior members to raise their voice once again. at the same time, i request the mods for some justified implementation frm the outcome of the poll attached to this thread, which has seen very good polling within 2 days... a close to 50 poll responses.

if we take the premise/fact tht JAT is a RACE nd put our sight away from the pigeonhole view, then i guess we all hindu, sikh nd muslim JAT’s fall in the same assemblage. but with people’s growing obsession with religion, we all JAT’s seem to be are falling apart. i say so esp. with muslim JAT’s, where the cultural divide has extended to such a point tht it is now irreversible, i mean it is now impossible to think tht we are the same race nd can come under the same umbrella… cos… “the religion takes the upper hand”.

having said so nd as stated in my title post... "i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion". i also don’t see any similarities btwn us (here i’m talking of hindu JAT’s) nd the muslim JAT’s, or may be i’m terribly mistaken… pls. correct me if i’m wrong. moreover, after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other. to cut the matter short, as explained above… we have drifted apart nd this change is NOW TOTALLY IRREVERSIBLE… so my answer is “NO” to muslim JAT’s.

My answer is a big "YES" for Sikh JAT's (JATT's) !

... my views on JATT's to follow later.

[ashishmalik]

This site should be only for Hindu Jats.

No ill-will against Sikh Jats or Muslim Jats. We can have another site where we can ask all Jats irrespective of any religion.

If Mods want to open it for Muslim and Sikh Jats, then I will go a step further, open it for all community all religion and all sects:cool:

[choudharyneelam]

Jatt is pronounced..rhyming with butt...;)

hahaha....u are so funny....same is this guy Samar

thanx for making it clear to me.....but seriously Poonam you gave me a laughing dose today :D

[choudharyneelam]

ठीक कही, हिन्दी में जल्दी समझ आयेगा ।

चौधरी देवीलाल जी प्रतापसिंह कैरों के समय में पंजाब में मंत्री थे (उस वक्त हरयाणा नहीं बना था) । एक बार मीटिंग में कुछ बहस हो गई । कैरों ने चौधरी देवीलाल से कहा - ओए चौधरी साहब, असीं वीं पंजाब दे जट हाँ ।

देवीलाल ने हरयाणवी में जवाब दिया - मैं भी हरयाणे का जाट सूं - तेरे तैं एक मात्रा फालतू ला रहया सूं ।

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again so funny.......hahahahaha

[choudharyneelam]

having said so nd as stated in my title post... "i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion". i also don’t see any similarities btwn us (here i’m talking of hindu JAT’s) nd the muslim JAT’s, or may be i’m terribly mistaken… pls. correct me if i’m wrong. moreover, after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other. to cut the matter short, as explained above… we have drifted apart nd this change is NOW TOTALLY IRREVERSIBLE… so my answer is “NO” to muslim JAT’s.


Sounds ok to me but for how long will we keep the same notions with us. Every muslim is not bad n if one is bad then that doesn't mean that others also be deprived of society. Untill n unless we mingle with them how we would understand these people.

Rest, what do you say about the hindu culprits.



My answer is a big "YES" for Sikh JAT's (JATT's) !

... my views on JATT's to follow later.


I would like to read ur personal opinions on this highlighted topic :)

[anilsinghd]

Jatt is pronounced..rhyming with butt...;)


Wish you could have been my nursery teacher ;) Would have been fun learning A , B , C from ya :o:eek:

[poonam]

Wish you could have been my nursery teacher ;) Would have been fun learning A , B , C from ya :o:eek:

kitte fun foon na hota...bakkal taar deti na padhta tae...:p

[vikassingh1]

:D

ha, noo dont do that (allow other 'relegion' and 'races') on this website

coz if we do, then our heads might just pop out of the place where the sun does not shine...and we might get exposed to some light..

further our narcissistic egos will suffer a blow as we 'compete' against these 'other' 'indians'

we will also probably have to make less :rock signs which would be terrible

and yeah finally the fact that if we all started interacting and accepting each other mutually, then we might become like the US for e.g. where there is not much difference in a texan or a minnesotan...and that would be stressful, after all we wont feel happy if we can not throw sh*t on each other and boost our egos by discussing about how 'pathetic' the 'mullas' or 'sardars' etc are....

so, be real and let it be what it is...Hindu Jats....

Infact you might consider further divisions along gangs like Kilki or :rockor blah....

Amen!:D

[amritkharb]

baadi baatien karne waalon aap log jo bakiyoon ko racist kah raheen hae kyon ki woh muslmaan jo jat surname lagte haeen unko iss web site par nahee chahate aapke Naam badee aur darshan chotee.

[ritu]

we can allow sikh jats but rest from the neighbouring enemy.no way....
country comes before jaat paat
and as far the muslims from our own country......a big no for them as well.all of them are ruled by religion .

[mittu]

Sounds ok to me but for how long will we keep the same notions with us. Every muslim is not bad n if one is bad then that doesn't mean that others also be deprived of society. Untill n unless we mingle with them how we would understand these people.

Rest, what do you say about the hindu culprits.

It's not about good, bad or ugly...i guess bhram sir just meant that we(hindu jats) and muslim jats are different from each other and does not enjoy same common communes/culture and whatever little similarity we do have is not worth making this place living kargil/godhra/mandir/masjid....and i just replied to your post as i have similar views. :)
I would say, NO to muslim jats.
Although Am fine with inviting (with out much enthusiasm) to sikh jats, may be sikh jats are also jats and we do share behavioral attributes however marriage between sikh jats and hindu jats is considered NO NO(No fresh topic, just to point out the difference) and i we do not share the same language and modern history...

PS: Feel free to correct me with my facts.

[gaganjat]

yaha jo hai unhe to sambhan lo. Ibbe tai so called 'hindu' Jats hi united nahi ho paye hai ik 'meeting' karne me itni problem ho jati hai ar meeting ke baad usse bhi jada.

abhi itni post delete hoti hai 'off topic' bol ke , we r all adults here nd still cant write much , imagine how much argument is going to be there when all kind of jats are here.

Believe me I love Punjabi Jatts. I studied in all the 3 khalsa colleges in Delhi University & actively involved in politics and they respect Jats more then their punjabi brothers. I would love to see them here but but but...

if u want to maintain this forum well they shouldnt be allowed. Believe me it will be a hard job for moderators nd members will be too busy in arguing.

nd my Muslim Jat brothers dont use internet :) so we dont need to worry about them anyways.

[RavinderSura]

bhai hindu musalmaan sikh n chhoda ekle haryana ke jat hone chahiye is site pe , Up aale Bhaiya ... rajasthan ke bhaya ka aade k kaam ....aan dyo eb pura kshterwaad :boxing:rock
baantna a s to pher aachhi tarah se baanto jatt ne...jitna baantega utna badega jatt
oh chhore gurdaaas mann ....maan gaye bhai , kheench de meter sa...:rock:rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYLgB_6k0rc&feature=PlayList&p=15AB4E8E406B5030&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=46

[coolengineer]

Respected Brahm jee,
While reading your views about Muslim Jats and of a few other fellow members a question aroused in my mind
"Is it your PERCEPTION or you yourself have observed and expereinced that Muslim jats totally differ from us?"

Like you said "after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other".
Are you talking in context of Muslims Jats based in our neighbouring country or with Muslim JAts with in India itself.

I never had any such experience about muslim Jats as i realy dont know about Muslim jats.I have some few good Sikh and MUslim friends.

I find this discussion very intersting and would request fellow members to support their arguments with some real life experiences.How many of us realy know Muslim JAts in personal?

I find no harm in trying or building a harmony with fellow Muslim Jats or Sikh jats.This is the first time i heard of Muslim or Hindu Jats.I always believed that a JAT is a JAT but here the religon factor has come into play.

Their is one more question whose answer i would like to know from my fellow members.
"Do Muslim and Sikh Jaats also think the same way we do ?"
i.e.
SIkh Jat think they are not Jats infact they are JAATS who follow Sikhism and Muslim Jats think that they are pure muslim.

If this is the case then i think their is no need to categorize jats on religion basis.

Please enlighten :)


thanks all for varied nd worthy responses, as i see different opinions emerging out, on the subject matter.

My answer is a big "NO" for Muslim JAT's !

my reasons:
before signing in again on the subject matter after my title post, i got the chance to go thru the archives nd learnt tht the matter was raised for discussion several times, but with no outcome. i hope, we reach to some conclusion(s) this time, as i request other/senior members to raise their voice once again. at the same time, i request the mods for some justified implementation frm the outcome of the poll attached to this thread, which has seen very good polling within 2 days... a close to 50 poll responses.

if we take the premise/fact tht JAT is a RACE nd put our sight away from the pigeonhole view, then i guess we all hindu, sikh nd muslim JAT’s fall in the same assemblage. but with people’s growing obsession with religion, we all JAT’s seem to be are falling apart. i say so esp. with muslim JAT’s, where the cultural divide has extended to such a point tht it is now irreversible, i mean it is now impossible to think tht we are the same race nd can come under the same umbrella… cos… “the religion takes the upper hand�.

having said so nd as stated in my title post... "i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion". i also don’t see any similarities btwn us (here i’m talking of hindu JAT’s) nd the muslim JAT’s, or may be i’m terribly mistaken… pls. correct me if i’m wrong. moreover, after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other. to cut the matter short, as explained above… we have drifted apart nd this change is NOW TOTALLY IRREVERSIBLE… so my answer is “NO� to muslim JAT’s.

My answer is a big "YES" for Sikh JAT's (JATT's) !

... my views on JATT's to follow later.

[ashishmalik]

Jatt Sikhs formed separate religion why so.....what was the need when a army was formed to save Hindu religion.....why there was need to make it a separate religion.....and if they want to remain Sikhs then let them be so.......

Sikhism is just in infant stage after some time they will also be distanced from Hinduism......why dont these people be part of Hinduism......which they were couple of decades ago.

This site shoudl be only for Hindu Jats.....its a question of Identity......ONLY.........if some people are so fond of uniting all Jats then form a new site and invite Muslim,Sikh and Hindu Jats there.....I will be the first person to join that......

[choudharyneelam]

I would say, NO to muslim jats.


Fine!! :)

Kisi ne sahi kaha hai ki Jat Jat hota hai, wo chahe sikh ho ya hindu ya musalmaan.

[amritkharb]

Fine!! :)

Kisi ne sahi kaha hai ki Jat Jat hota hai, wo chahe sikh ho ya hindu ya musalmaan.

Uss Kissi ka mobile number number doo jisne yeh nasamaj baat karee the. Usne galat kahaa tha aur hum saab ke liye naheen bola tha. Usko koi naheen rok raha pakistani jo jat surname lagate haeen unsee rishta jodnee ka. Bakiyoon ko baksh doo.

[ashishmalik]

On what ground you say so. Jats are not killing fellow human beings on the ground of cast, religion or sect.

This discussion is just about keeping the Identity of Jats and for that matter Hindu Jats.

If that is not so then why recommend this site for Muslim and Sikh Jats, open it for every body, Baniya, Punjabi, Sunar, Chamar, Kumhar, christian, muslims.

If these so called broad minded people want to include Muslim and Sikhs Jats then i will call this also as racist thinking, why dont fight for opening this site for everybody and also changing the Name of JATLAND to some thing also.

This site is only for Hindu Jats with no hatred or ill-will against other community or sects or other Jats who have adopted different religion.


.... and then people say 'Australians are racist' :o:rolleyes:

[RavinderSura]

Respected Brahm jee,
While reading your views about Muslim Jats and of a few other fellow members a question aroused in my mind
"Is it your PERCEPTION or you yourself have observed and expereinced that Muslim jats totally differ from us?"

Like you said "after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other".
Are you talking in context of Muslims Jats based in our neighbouring country or with Muslim JAts with in India itself.

I never had any such experience about muslim Jats as i realy dont know about Muslim jats.I have some few good Sikh and MUslim friends.

I find this discussion very intersting and would request fellow members to support their arguments with some real life experiences.How many of us realy know Muslim JAts in personal?

I find no harm in trying or building a harmony with fellow Muslim Jats or Sikh jats.This is the first time i heard of Muslim or Hindu Jats.I always believed that a JAT is a JAT but here the religon factor has come into play.

Their is one more question whose answer i would like to know from my fellow members.
"Do Muslim and Sikh Jaats also think the same way we do ?"
i.e.
SIkh Jat think they are not Jats infact they are JAATS who follow Sikhism and Muslim Jats think that they are pure muslim.

If this is the case then i think their is no need to categorize jats on religion basis.

Please enlighten :)
sahi baat bhai ...yeh site hum jato ko apas me jannane ke liye hoti hain ki jat kaha kaha hain kis dharm me hain , unki kya soch hain . agar muslim jat ya sikh jat hume alag sochte to ch.chhoturam ko wo log itni ijjat nahi dete . muslim jato ne kabhi jinnah ka samarthan nahi kiya .

[brahmtewatia]

Respected Brahm jee,
While reading your views about Muslim Jats and of a few other fellow members a question aroused in my mind
"Is it your PERCEPTION or you yourself have observed and expereinced that Muslim jats totally differ from us?"

Like you said "after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other".
Are you talking in context of Muslims Jats based in our neighbouring country or with Muslim JAts with in India itself.
dear tej,

its totally my perception abt muslim jats, nd i do admit my lack of knowledge abt them as i personally n'vr came across any muslim JAT. as you/we all know tht there are lot of JAT's in indian army nd i assumed the same to be true for pakistan army, cos a large population of muslim JAT's exists in pak.

[mhundpuriamann]

thanks all for varied nd worthy responses, as i see different opinions emerging out, on the subject matter.

My answer is a big "NO" for Muslim JAT's !

my reasons:
before signing in again on the subject matter after my title post, i got the chance to go thru the archives nd learnt tht the matter was raised for discussion several times, but with no outcome. i hope, we reach to some conclusion(s) this time, as i request other/senior members to raise their voice once again. at the same time, i request the mods for some justified implementation frm the outcome of the poll attached to this thread, which has seen very good polling within 2 days... a close to 50 poll responses.

if we take the premise/fact tht JAT is a RACE nd put our sight away from the pigeonhole view, then i guess we all hindu, sikh nd muslim JAT’s fall in the same assemblage. but with people’s growing obsession with religion, we all JAT’s seem to be are falling apart. i say so esp. with muslim JAT’s, where the cultural divide has extended to such a point tht it is now irreversible, i mean it is now impossible to think tht we are the same race nd can come under the same umbrella… cos… “the religion takes the upper hand�.

having said so nd as stated in my title post... "i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion". i also don’t see any similarities btwn us (here i’m talking of hindu JAT’s) nd the muslim JAT’s, or may be i’m terribly mistaken… pls. correct me if i’m wrong. moreover, after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other. to cut the matter short, as explained above… we have drifted apart nd this change is NOW TOTALLY IRREVERSIBLE… so my answer is “NO� to muslim JAT’s.

My answer is a big "YES" for Sikh JAT's (JATT's) !

... my views on JATT's to follow later.


BIG NO NO AND ONLY NO FOR ANY OTHER !
i accept blood is blood whether it is sikh or muslim, jats are jats but my logic to avoid them here is HARYANE KE JATTAN KI CHAUDDHARR IS SITE PAR TAI JAMAA KHOO JYAGEE BHAIYO SO BE ALERT , jyada emotional hona bhee kabhee kabhee mehngga par jaatta hai, tharee saaree choriyaan nai bhakaa le jyange , bhot syane aadmi hain vei. :p :rock

[brahmtewatia]

BIG NO NO AND ONLY NO FOR ANY OTHER !
i accept blood is blood whether it is sikh or muslim, jats are jats but my logic to avoid them here is HARYANE KE JATTAN KI CHAUDDHARR IS SITE PAR TAI JAMAA KHOO JYAGEE BHAIYO SO BE ALERT , jyada emotional hona bhee kabhee kabhee mehngga par jaatta hai, tharee saaree choriyaan nai bhakaa le jyange , bhot syane aadmi hain vei. :p :rock
mann sahab can you tell me the difference btwn your/JAT surname mann nd punjabi surname maan ?

you chose to write JAAT as well as JATT in yr 1st nd 2nd signatures... can you explain why ?

also do let me know the meaning of yr 2nd signatures nd the reason you chose punjabi ? >>> "meflan-ch jatt di pichyan wakhree"

may be then, i'll throw some more light on yr state of being 'brahmit' nd the reason why there are JATT's nd no JAAT's in yr meflan-ch.

[raka]

जाट जाति हर धर्म में हैं | चाहे वो मुस्लिम हो , सिख हो , हिन्दू हो , या चाहे ईसाई धर्म हो | जाट जाति के लोग कई एशियाई व युरोपिए मुल्को में आबाद हैं , जैसा की हमारे इतिहासकार सिद्ध कर चुके हैं | फरक इतना हैं के इनको हर मुल्क में अलग अलग नाम से जाना जाता हैं | हमे जाट जाति के लोग संसार में जाहा भी बसते हैं उनके बारे में जानना चाहिए और यह साईट इन सब के बारे में जानने का अच्छा माध्यम हैं | यहाँ भी आप लोग बहस करने लग गए , अपनों को अपनों से बांटने में लग गए |
हम सब चौ. छोटूराम का बहुत मान सम्मान करते हैं उनको अपना आदर्श मानते हैं | परन्तु हम सब उनकी शिक्षाओ को भूल रहे हैं क्योकि हमे उनके बारे में विस्तार से नहीं पढाया जाता | यह कह दिया जाता हैं के वो समय अलग था जब चौ. साहब ने जाट / किसान जागृती की लडाई लड़ी थी | चौ. साहब ने जो अलख जगाया था उसमे सब से अहम् शिक्षा थी के " हमे (जाटों को ) धार्मिक तौर पर कभी भी कट्टर व रुढिवादी नहीं होना चाहिए |" इसी शिक्षा के दम पर चौ.साहब पूरी कौम को जगाने , जोड़ने एक मंच पर इकट्ठा करने में कामयाब हुए | 1936-37 के चुनाव में मुस्लिम लीग (जिन्नाह की पार्टी ) के दो सदस्य ही चुनाव जीत पाए थे , जिनमे बाद में एक जमींदार पार्टी में मिल गया | जब सन 1944 में मुस्लिम लीग के नेता मोहम्मद अली जिन्नाह पश्चिमी पंजाब में मुसलमानों की संख्या अधिक होने के कारण वहां पकिस्तान बनाने की सम्भावनाये तलाशने गए और उन्होंने लाहौर में भाषण दिया की "पंजाब के मुसलमानों हमे अपना अलग से देश बनाना हैं जहाँ हम खुद मालिक होंगे , छोटूराम हिन्दू हैं वह हमारा कभी भी नहीं हो सकता , वह तो नाम का भी छोटा हैं , कद का भी छोटा हैं और धर्म का भी छोटा हैं , उसका साथ देना हमे शोभा नहीं देता |" इस पर पंजाब के प्रीमियर तिवाना साहब ( मुस्लिम जाट ) ने चौ.साहब को रोहतक से तुंरत जिन्नाह साहब का जवाब देने के लिए लाहौर बुलाया और चौ. साहब ने भाषण दिया " जिन्नाह साहब अपने को मुसलमानों का नेता कहते हैं , मुस्लिम्धर्मी होने का दावा करते हैं , लेकिन पाश्चात्ये संस्कृति में रेंज हैं , अंग्रेजी शराब पीते हैं , सूअर का मांस खाते हैं , अपने को पढ़ा लिखा कहते हैं , लेकिन उनको तो इतना भी ज्ञान नहीं की धर्म बदलने से खून नहीं बदलता | हम जाट हैं , हम हिन्दू - मुसलमान - सिक्ख - ईसाई सभी हैं | " इस पर पंजाब की मुस्लिम जनता जिन्नाह साहब के ऐसे पीछे पड़ी की जिन्नाह साहब रातो - रात लाहौर छोड़ गए और जब तक चौ.साहब जीवित रहे तब तक जिन्नाह साहब कभी लोट कर लाहौर नहीं आये | दिनाक 15 - 04 - 1944 को चौ. साहब ने महात्मा गाँधी को एक लम्बा पत्र लिखा जिसका सारांश था की " आप जिन्नाह की बातो में नहीं आना , वह एक बड़ा चतुर किस्म का इंसान हैं जिसे संयुक्त पंजाब व कश्मीरी मुसलमान पूरी तरह से नकार चुका हैं | जिन्नाह साहब को साफ़ तौर पर बता दिया जाये की वे पाकिस्तान का सपना लेना छोड़ दे | पर अफसोस चौ . साहब का 1945 में देहांत हो गया , और जिन्नाह साहब अपने मनसूबे में कामयाब हो गए | धर्म का भूत जाति के भूत से कही बड़ा होता हैं जल्दी सर चढ़ कर बोलता हैं | जिसका पूरा लाभ जिन्नाह साहब ने उठाया | यह 1947 में हिन्दू मुसलमान का , हिदुस्तान पकिस्तान का बंटवारा नहीं था यह तो हमारे जट्ट वाड़े का बंटवारा था | आज भी हम लोगो को इस धर्म के भूत ने झकड़ कर रखा हैं | आज भी हम जिन्नाह जैसे कुछ गलत लोगो के दुष्प्रचार में फसे हुए हैं | और लोगो की तरह कम से कम हम जाटों को तो अपने इस बंटवारे के बात नहीं करनी चाहिए |
गुर्ज्जर आरक्षण आन्दोलन में कश्मीर के मुसलमान गुर्ज्जर तक साथ देने आ गए थे | कल दिल्ली में एक क्षत्रिये महासभा हुई जिसमे 66 जीत कर आये राजपूत सांसदों का मान सम्मान किया गया | जिसमे मंच पर समाजवादी पार्टी के ठा० अमर सिंह व कांग्रेस के ठा० दिग्विजय सिंह एक साथ बैठे हुए थे | ठा० दिग्विजय सिंह ने दिल्ली में क्षत्रिये महासभा के भवन निर्माण के लिए उचित दाम में ज़मीन दिलवाने का आश्वाशन दिया वही ठा० अमर सिंह ने महासभा को एक करोड़ की राशिः दान दी | जब यह लोग एक मंच पर इकट्ठा हो सकते हैं तो हमे पहरेज क्यों हैं |
हिन्दुस्तान व पकिस्तान के जाट फौजी अपास में अपने मुल्को के लिए लड़ते हैं , यह उनका फर्ज हैं | इसका मतलब यह नहीं के वहा के जाट हमे नहीं चाहते | अगर ऐसी बात हैं तो पंजाब व हरयाणा के जाटों को दो दशक हो लिए आपस में पानी के लिए लड़ते हुए तो क्या वे दुश्मन हो गए ? , हरयाणा व उत्तर प्रदेश के जाटों को तो काफी समय हो गया जमुना नदी के पास खेती की ज़मीन के लिए खून खराबा करते हुए पता नहीं कितने मर लिए पर आज तक कोई फैसला नहीं हुआ , तो क्या वे आपस में दुश्मन हो गए ? यह आपस में झगडा तो भाई भाई में भी होता हैं इसका मतलब यह नहीं उनके खून में फरक आ गया |
जाट भोली कौम हैं , लोग इसके हांगे इसकी ताक़त का हमेशा इस्तेमाल करते आये हैं और रहेंगे भी अगर हम ऐसे ही जिन्नाह जैसे लोगो की बातो में आते रहे | यह बात हर धर्म के जाट पर लागू होती हैं |
पावेरिया साहब ने कहा हैं की पहले हम अपने गाँव के हिन्दू जाटों को इकट्ठा कर ले परन्तु पावेरिया साहब आपने तो अपने ज़हन में पहले ही जाट को बाँट दिया | आपकी सोच अच्छी हैं जाट को इकट्ठा करने की पर इसको थोडा दुरुस्त करे |
एक आशीष मलिक जी वही शब्द दोहरा रहे हैं जो सचिन बाल्यान कहता हैं | अच्छी बात हैं यह साईट सब के लिए ओपन हो हर बिरादरी के लोगो को हमारा इतिहास पता लगे पर यहाँ कई दूसरी जाति के लोग पहले ही आते हैं नकली id बना कर , तो मलिक साहब आप इसकी चिंता न करे | मलिक साहब यहाँ प्रशन हर धर्म के जाटों का था न के हर बिरादरी का | जाट होने पर फक्र करो न के हिन्दू मुसलमान होने पर |
एक शिव खेरा ( खत्री पंजाबी ) हैं जो नारा देता फिर रहा हैं के " धर्म बदल सकते हैं तो जाति क्यों नहीं " देश की एकता की बात करता हैं | उसे कोई बताने वालो हो की पहले अपने नाम से अपने गोत्तर को हटा ( जो जाति को दर्शाता हैं ) फेर बात करना देश भक्ति की | अभी जाटों के उसकी यह बात ध्यान नहीं आई हैं नहीं तो जाट अपनी जाति भी मिटने को तैयार हो जायेंगे उसके देश भक्ति के नारे पर | खेरा साहब को बताने वालो हो के पहले वो अपनी खुद की जाति को देश भक्ति का पाठ पढाओ क्योकि देश के हर बड़े घौटाले में आपकी जाति के लोगो का हाथ हैं | जाट तो जन्म ही देश कौम के लिए लेता हैं |
जाट अपनी ज़मीन नहीं छोड़ सकता उसके लिए वो अपना धर्म त्याग सकता हैं असल में जाट का धर्म अपने देश कौम की सेवा का होता हैं जिसे वो बखूबी निभाता हैं | मलेरकोटला ( पंजाब ) में मेरे एक जानकार हैं चीमा साहब | वो लोग 1947 में हिन्दुस्तान आए थे , उनके चाचा वही पकिस्तान में रह गए क्योकि उनकीं वहा ज़मीन बहुत थी और उन्होंने अपना धर्म बदल लिया | चीमा साहब के चाचा नवाज शरीफ की सरकार में शिक्षा मंत्री भी रहे हैं | पकिस्तान में अभी भी लोक गीतों में जग्गा जाट , जेओना मौर ( जानी चोर ) आदि के किस्से गाए जाते हैं | अबरार - उल - हक के गीत सुनना पता लग जायेगा वहा जाट वाद कितना हैं | पूर्व प्रीमियर तिवाना साहब के पोते ने बताया के पाकिस्तान में हम जाट इतिहास के बारे में लिख कर सरकार को दे देते हैं उसको छपवाने , स्कुल में लागु करने का काम सरकार करती हैं | देख लो अब कितना फरक हैं यहाँ के जाटों और वहा के जाटों में |
पहले पूरा ज्ञान लो , इन् जिन्नाह जैसे लोगो की बातो में आकर अपने विचार मत दो | इनकी बातो में आकर पहले एक बार बंटवारा हो चुका हैं |

[mhundpuriamann]

mann sahab can you tell me the difference btwn your/JAT surname mann nd punjabi surname maan ?

you chose to write JAAT as well as JATT in yr 1st nd 2nd signatures... can you explain why ?

also do let me know the meaning of yr 2nd signatures nd the reason you chose punjabi ? >>> "meflan-ch jatt di pichyan wakhree"

may be then, i'll throw some more light on yr state of being 'brahmit' nd the reason why there are JATT's nd no JAAT's in yr meflan-ch.


OKKKK........well there is no difference between "mann" and "maan" one of my younger brothers writes "maan" , i think it makes no diiference.:)

in my 1st signature i used hindi(i tried) that's why i used "JAAT" but in my 2nd signature i used (i tried) punjabi that's why i used "JATT" like "gaabroo" in haryanvi becomes "gabroo" in punjabi. it is only language difference, punjabi hindu jats also write jatts because of this language.

"meflaan-ch jatt di pichaan wakhree" means u can identify a jat in a gathering of people by his face and his talking way like he will be more loving , more open , more honest , more careless, more sensitive, more singing, more dancing and basically having beautiful physque and beautiful body language.
second thing tewatia saab i am a normal man not a buddha who will take each step consciously(spelling problem) while even walking , i just walk. i saw this line somewhre on a tractor or i heard somewhre in a song i don't know but i liked this and i wrote here , this is as simple. :p and this very true , i have experienced this thing many times.

now it's ur turn to de-bhramit me , yes i also accept that im hypnotised by many things , please i request u to de-hypnotise me , i'll be gratefull.:)

thanks and regards
jitender mann

[mhundpuriamann]

जाट जाति हर धर्म में हैं | चाहे वो मुस्लिम हो , सिख हो , हिन्दू हो , या चाहे ईसाई धर्म हो | जाट जाति के लोग कई एशियाई व युरोपिए मुल्को में आबाद हैं , जैसा की हमारे इतिहासकार सिद्ध कर चुके हैं | फरक इतना हैं के इनको हर मुल्क में अलग अलग नाम से जाना जाता हैं | हमे जाट जाति के लोग संसार में जाहा भी बसते हैं उनके बारे में जानना चाहिए और यह साईट इन सब के बारे में जानने का अच्छा माध्यम हैं | यहाँ भी आप लोग बहस करने लग गए , अपनों को अपनों से बांटने में लग गए |
हम सब चौ. छोटूराम का बहुत मान सम्मान करते हैं उनको अपना आदर्श मानते हैं | परन्तु हम सब उनकी शिक्षाओ को भूल रहे हैं क्योकि हमे उनके बारे में विस्तार से नहीं पढाया जाता | यह कह दिया जाता हैं के वो समय अलग था जब चौ. साहब ने जाट / किसान जागृती की लडाई लड़ी थी | चौ. साहब ने जो अलख जगाया था उसमे सब से अहम् शिक्षा थी के " हमे (जाटों को ) धार्मिक तौर पर कभी भी कट्टर व रुढिवादी नहीं होना चाहिए |" इसी शिक्षा के दम पर चौ.साहब पूरी कौम को जगाने , जोड़ने एक मंच पर इकट्ठा करने में कामयाब हुए | 1936-37 के चुनाव में मुस्लिम लीग (जिन्नाह की पार्टी ) के दो सदस्य ही चुनाव जीत पाए थे , जिनमे बाद में एक जमींदार पार्टी में मिल गया | जब सन 1944 में मुस्लिम लीग के नेता मोहम्मद अली जिन्नाह पश्चिमी पंजाब में मुसलमानों की संख्या अधिक होने के कारण वहां पकिस्तान बनाने की सम्भावनाये तलाशने गए और उन्होंने लाहौर में भाषण दिया की "पंजाब के मुसलमानों हमे अपना अलग से देश बनाना हैं जहाँ हम खुद मालिक होंगे , छोटूराम हिन्दू हैं वह हमारा कभी भी नहीं हो सकता , वह तो नाम का भी छोटा हैं , कद का भी छोटा हैं और धर्म का भी छोटा हैं , उसका साथ देना हमे शोभा नहीं देता |" इस पर पंजाब के प्रीमियर तिवाना साहब ( मुस्लिम जाट ) ने चौ.साहब को रोहतक से तुंरत जिन्नाह साहब का जवाब देने के लिए लाहौर बुलाया और चौ. साहब ने भाषण दिया " जिन्नाह साहब अपने को मुसलमानों का नेता कहते हैं , मुस्लिम्धर्मी होने का दावा करते हैं , लेकिन पाश्चात्ये संस्कृति में रेंज हैं , अंग्रेजी शराब पीते हैं , सूअर का मांस खाते हैं , अपने को पढ़ा लिखा कहते हैं , लेकिन उनको तो इतना भी ज्ञान नहीं की धर्म बदलने से खून नहीं बदलता | हम जाट हैं , हम हिन्दू - मुसलमान - सिक्ख - ईसाई सभी हैं | " इस पर पंजाब की मुस्लिम जनता जिन्नाह साहब के ऐसे पीछे पड़ी की जिन्नाह साहब रातो - रात लाहौर छोड़ गए और जब तक चौ.साहब जीवित रहे तब तक जिन्नाह साहब कभी लोट कर लाहौर नहीं आये | दिनाक 15 - 04 - 1944 को चौ. साहब ने महात्मा गाँधी को एक लम्बा पत्र लिखा जिसका सारांश था की " आप जिन्नाह की बातो में नहीं आना , वह एक बड़ा चतुर किस्म का इंसान हैं जिसे संयुक्त पंजाब व कश्मीरी मुसलमान पूरी तरह से नकार चुका हैं | जिन्नाह साहब को साफ़ तौर पर बता दिया जाये की वे पाकिस्तान का सपना लेना छोड़ दे | पर अफसोस चौ . साहब का 1945 में देहांत हो गया , और जिन्नाह साहब अपने मनसूबे में कामयाब हो गए | धर्म का भूत जाति के भूत से कही बड़ा होता हैं जल्दी सर चढ़ कर बोलता हैं | जिसका पूरा लाभ जिन्नाह साहब ने उठाया | यह 1947 में हिन्दू मुसलमान का , हिदुस्तान पकिस्तान का बंटवारा नहीं था यह तो हमारे जट्ट वाड़े का बंटवारा था | आज भी हम लोगो को इस धर्म के भूत ने झकड़ कर रखा हैं | आज भी हम जिन्नाह जैसे कुछ गलत लोगो के दुष्प्रचार में फसे हुए हैं | और लोगो की तरह कम से कम हम जाटों को तो अपने इस बंटवारे के बात नहीं करनी चाहिए |
गुर्ज्जर आरक्षण आन्दोलन में कश्मीर के मुसलमान गुर्ज्जर तक साथ देने आ गए थे | कल दिल्ली में एक क्षत्रिये महासभा हुई जिसमे 66 जीत कर आये राजपूत सांसदों का मान सम्मान किया गया | जिसमे मंच पर समाजवादी पार्टी के ठा० अमर सिंह व कांग्रेस के ठा० दिग्विजय सिंह एक साथ बैठे हुए थे | ठा० दिग्विजय सिंह ने दिल्ली में क्षत्रिये महासभा के भवन निर्माण के लिए उचित दाम में ज़मीन दिलवाने का आश्वाशन दिया वही ठा० अमर सिंह ने महासभा को एक करोड़ की राशिः दान दी | जब यह लोग एक मंच पर इकट्ठा हो सकते हैं तो हमे पहरेज क्यों हैं |
हिन्दुस्तान व पकिस्तान के जाट फौजी अपास में अपने मुल्को के लिए लड़ते हैं , यह उनका फर्ज हैं | इसका मतलब यह नहीं के वहा के जाट हमे नहीं चाहते | अगर ऐसी बात हैं तो पंजाब व हरयाणा के जाटों को दो दशक हो लिए आपस में पानी के लिए लड़ते हुए तो क्या वे दुश्मन हो गए ? , हरयाणा व उत्तर प्रदेश के जाटों को तो काफी समय हो गया जमुना नदी के पास खेती की ज़मीन के लिए खून खराबा करते हुए पता नहीं कितने मर लिए पर आज तक कोई फैसला नहीं हुआ , तो क्या वे आपस में दुश्मन हो गए ? यह आपस में झगडा तो भाई भाई में भी होता हैं इसका मतलब यह नहीं उनके खून में फरक आ गया |
जाट भोली कौम हैं , लोग इसके हांगे इसकी ताक़त का हमेशा इस्तेमाल करते आये हैं और रहेंगे भी अगर हम ऐसे ही जिन्नाह जैसे लोगो की बातो में आते रहे | यह बात हर धर्म के जाट पर लागू होती हैं |
पावेरिया साहब ने कहा हैं की पहले हम अपने गाँव के हिन्दू जाटों को इकट्ठा कर ले परन्तु पावेरिया साहब आपने तो अपने ज़हन में पहले ही जाट को बाँट दिया | आपकी सोच अच्छी हैं जाट को इकट्ठा करने की पर इसको थोडा दुरुस्त करे |
एक आशीष मलिक जी वही शब्द दोहरा रहे हैं जो सचिन बाल्यान कहता हैं | अच्छी बात हैं यह साईट सब के लिए ओपन हो हर बिरादरी के लोगो को हमारा इतिहास पता लगे पर यहाँ कई दूसरी जाति के लोग पहले ही आते हैं नकली id बना कर , तो मलिक साहब आप इसकी चिंता न करे | मलिक साहब यहाँ प्रशन हर धर्म के जाटों का था न के हर बिरादरी का | जाट होने पर फक्र करो न के हिन्दू मुसलमान होने पर |
एक शिव खेरा ( खत्री पंजाबी ) हैं जो नारा देता फिर रहा हैं के " धर्म बदल सकते हैं तो जाति क्यों नहीं " देश की एकता की बात करता हैं | उसे कोई बताने वालो हो की पहले अपने नाम से अपने गोत्तर को हटा ( जो जाति को दर्शाता हैं ) फेर बात करना देश भक्ति की | अभी जाटों के उसकी यह बात ध्यान नहीं आई हैं नहीं तो जाट अपनी जाति भी मिटने को तैयार हो जायेंगे उसके देश भक्ति के नारे पर | खेरा साहब को बताने वालो हो के पहले वो अपनी खुद की जाति को देश भक्ति का पाठ पढाओ क्योकि देश के हर बड़े घौटाले में आपकी जाति के लोगो का हाथ हैं | जाट तो जन्म ही देश कौम के लिए लेता हैं |
जाट अपनी ज़मीन नहीं छोड़ सकता उसके लिए वो अपना धर्म त्याग सकता हैं असल में जाट का धर्म अपने देश कौम की सेवा का होता हैं जिसे वो बखूबी निभाता हैं | मलेरकोटला ( पंजाब ) में मेरे एक जानकार हैं चीमा साहब | वो लोग 1947 में हिन्दुस्तान आए थे , उनके चाचा वही पकिस्तान में रह गए क्योकि उनकीं वहा ज़मीन बहुत थी और उन्होंने अपना धर्म बदल लिया | चीमा साहब के चाचा नवाज शरीफ की सरकार में शिक्षा मंत्री भी रहे हैं | पकिस्तान में अभी भी लोक गीतों में जग्गा जाट , जेओना मौर ( जानी चोर ) आदि के किस्से गाए जाते हैं | अबरार - उल - हक के गीत सुनना पता लग जायेगा वहा जाट वाद कितना हैं | पूर्व प्रीमियर तिवाना साहब के पोते ने बताया के पाकिस्तान में हम जाट इतिहास के बारे में लिख कर सरकार को दे देते हैं उसको छपवाने , स्कुल में लागु करने का काम सरकार करती हैं | देख लो अब कितना फरक हैं यहाँ के जाटों और वहा के जाटों में |
पहले पूरा ज्ञान लो , इन् जिन्नाह जैसे लोगो की बातो में आकर अपने विचार मत दो | इनकी बातो में आकर पहले एक बार बंटवारा हो चुका हैं |

arre wahh ! this is what i call a true jat ! i was feeling that he is just speaking my mind ! :rock:rock:rock

[brahmtewatia]

BIG NO NO AND ONLY NO FOR ANY OTHER !
i accept blood is blood whether it is sikh or muslim, jats are jats but my logic to avoid them here is HARYANE KE JATTAN KI CHAUDDHARR IS SITE PAR TAI JAMAA KHOO JYAGEE BHAIYO SO BE ALERT , jyada emotional hona bhee kabhee kabhee mehngga par jaatta hai, tharee saaree choriyaan nai bhakaa le jyange , bhot syane aadmi hain vei. :p :rock

OKKKK........well there is no difference between "mann" and "maan" one of my younger brothers writes "maan" , i think it makes no diiference.:)

in my 1st signature i used hindi(i tried) that's why i used "JAAT" but in my 2nd signature i used (i tried) punjabi that's why i used "JATT" like "gaabroo" in haryanvi becomes "gabroo" in punjabi. it is only language difference, punjabi hindu jats also write jatts because of this language.

"meflaan-ch jatt di pichaan wakhree" means u can identify a jat in a gathering of people by his face and his talking way like he will be more loving , more open , more honest , more careless, more sensitive, more singing, more dancing and basically having beautiful physque and beautiful body language.
second thing tewatia saab i am a normal man not a buddha who will take each step consciously(spelling problem) while even walking , i just walk. i saw this line somewhre on a tractor or i heard somewhre in a song i don't know but i liked this and i wrote here , this is as simple. :p and this very true , i have experienced this thing many times.

now it's ur turn to de-bhramit me , yes i also accept that im hypnotised by many things , please i request u to de-hypnotise me , i'll be gratefull.:)

thanks and regards
jitender mann

arre wahh ! this is what i call a true jat ! i was feeling that he is just speaking my mind ! :rock:rock:rock
mann sahab,

so what is yr stand now? you had taken 3 turns on yr opinion... no.1, no.2 nd now no. 3, which to me seems tht you are now back to yr original stand. if that is the case then you are 'prakashit' now. no need for me or someone else to de-bhramit you... glad to learn from you tht mann (jaat) and maan (jatt) are same.

thanks nd "keep walking" (johney walker ishtyle) with yr head held high nd keep adding more JAT/JATT in your "meflaan-ch" !!!

[brahmtewatia]

thanks a lot rakesh bhai for your time nd efforts in crafting this wonderful post... appreciate a lot !!! http://www.jatland.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gifhttp://www.jatland.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gifhttp://www.jatland.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif



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जाट जाति हर धर्म में हैं | चाहे वो मुस्लिम हो , सिख हो , हिन्दू हो , या चाहे ईसाई धर्म हो | जाट जाति के लोग कई एशियाई व युरोपिए मुल्को में आबाद हैं , जैसा की हमारे इतिहासकार सिद्ध कर चुके हैं | फरक इतना हैं के इनको हर मुल्क में अलग अलग नाम से जाना जाता हैं | हमे जाट जाति के लोग संसार में जाहा भी बसते हैं उनके बारे में जानना चाहिए और यह साईट इन सब के बारे में जानने का अच्छा माध्यम हैं | यहाँ भी आप लोग बहस करने लग गए , अपनों को अपनों से बांटने में लग गए |
हम सब चौ. छोटूराम का बहुत मान सम्मान करते हैं उनको अपना आदर्श मानते हैं | परन्तु हम सब उनकी शिक्षाओ को भूल रहे हैं क्योकि हमे उनके बारे में विस्तार से नहीं पढाया जाता | यह कह दिया जाता हैं के वो समय अलग था जब चौ. साहब ने जाट / किसान जागृती की लडाई लड़ी थी | चौ. साहब ने जो अलख जगाया था उसमे सब से अहम् शिक्षा थी के " हमे (जाटों को ) धार्मिक तौर पर कभी भी कट्टर व रुढिवादी नहीं होना चाहिए |" इसी शिक्षा के दम पर चौ.साहब पूरी कौम को जगाने , जोड़ने एक मंच पर इकट्ठा करने में कामयाब हुए | 1936-37 के चुनाव में मुस्लिम लीग (जिन्नाह की पार्टी ) के दो सदस्य ही चुनाव जीत पाए थे , जिनमे बाद में एक जमींदार पार्टी में मिल गया | जब सन 1944 में मुस्लिम लीग के नेता मोहम्मद अली जिन्नाह पश्चिमी पंजाब में मुसलमानों की संख्या अधिक होने के कारण वहां पकिस्तान बनाने की सम्भावनाये तलाशने गए और उन्होंने लाहौर में भाषण दिया की "पंजाब के मुसलमानों हमे अपना अलग से देश बनाना हैं जहाँ हम खुद मालिक होंगे , छोटूराम हिन्दू हैं वह हमारा कभी भी नहीं हो सकता , वह तो नाम का भी छोटा हैं , कद का भी छोटा हैं और धर्म का भी छोटा हैं , उसका साथ देना हमे शोभा नहीं देता |" इस पर पंजाब के प्रीमियर तिवाना साहब ( मुस्लिम जाट ) ने चौ.साहब को रोहतक से तुंरत जिन्नाह साहब का जवाब देने के लिए लाहौर बुलाया और चौ. साहब ने भाषण दिया " जिन्नाह साहब अपने को मुसलमानों का नेता कहते हैं , मुस्लिम्धर्मी होने का दावा करते हैं , लेकिन पाश्चात्ये संस्कृति में रेंज हैं , अंग्रेजी शराब पीते हैं , सूअर का मांस खाते हैं , अपने को पढ़ा लिखा कहते हैं , लेकिन उनको तो इतना भी ज्ञान नहीं की धर्म बदलने से खून नहीं बदलता | हम जाट हैं , हम हिन्दू - मुसलमान - सिक्ख - ईसाई सभी हैं | " इस पर पंजाब की मुस्लिम जनता जिन्नाह साहब के ऐसे पीछे पड़ी की जिन्नाह साहब रातो - रात लाहौर छोड़ गए और जब तक चौ.साहब जीवित रहे तब तक जिन्नाह साहब कभी लोट कर लाहौर नहीं आये | दिनाक 15 - 04 - 1944 को चौ. साहब ने महात्मा गाँधी को एक लम्बा पत्र लिखा जिसका सारांश था की " आप जिन्नाह की बातो में नहीं आना , वह एक बड़ा चतुर किस्म का इंसान हैं जिसे संयुक्त पंजाब व कश्मीरी मुसलमान पूरी तरह से नकार चुका हैं | जिन्नाह साहब को साफ़ तौर पर बता दिया जाये की वे पाकिस्तान का सपना लेना छोड़ दे | पर अफसोस चौ . साहब का 1945 में देहांत हो गया , और जिन्नाह साहब अपने मनसूबे में कामयाब हो गए | धर्म का भूत जाति के भूत से कही बड़ा होता हैं जल्दी सर चढ़ कर बोलता हैं | जिसका पूरा लाभ जिन्नाह साहब ने उठाया | यह 1947 में हिन्दू मुसलमान का , हिदुस्तान पकिस्तान का बंटवारा नहीं था यह तो हमारे जट्ट वाड़े का बंटवारा था | आज भी हम लोगो को इस धर्म के भूत ने झकड़ कर रखा हैं | आज भी हम जिन्नाह जैसे कुछ गलत लोगो के दुष्प्रचार में फसे हुए हैं | और लोगो की तरह कम से कम हम जाटों को तो अपने इस बंटवारे के बात नहीं करनी चाहिए |
गुर्ज्जर आरक्षण आन्दोलन में कश्मीर के मुसलमान गुर्ज्जर तक साथ देने आ गए थे | कल दिल्ली में एक क्षत्रिये महासभा हुई जिसमे 66 जीत कर आये राजपूत सांसदों का मान सम्मान किया गया | जिसमे मंच पर समाजवादी पार्टी के ठा० अमर सिंह व कांग्रेस के ठा० दिग्विजय सिंह एक साथ बैठे हुए थे | ठा० दिग्विजय सिंह ने दिल्ली में क्षत्रिये महासभा के भवन निर्माण के लिए उचित दाम में ज़मीन दिलवाने का आश्वाशन दिया वही ठा० अमर सिंह ने महासभा को एक करोड़ की राशिः दान दी | जब यह लोग एक मंच पर इकट्ठा हो सकते हैं तो हमे पहरेज क्यों हैं |
हिन्दुस्तान व पकिस्तान के जाट फौजी अपास में अपने मुल्को के लिए लड़ते हैं , यह उनका फर्ज हैं | इसका मतलब यह नहीं के वहा के जाट हमे नहीं चाहते | अगर ऐसी बात हैं तो पंजाब व हरयाणा के जाटों को दो दशक हो लिए आपस में पानी के लिए लड़ते हुए तो क्या वे दुश्मन हो गए ? , हरयाणा व उत्तर प्रदेश के जाटों को तो काफी समय हो गया जमुना नदी के पास खेती की ज़मीन के लिए खून खराबा करते हुए पता नहीं कितने मर लिए पर आज तक कोई फैसला नहीं हुआ , तो क्या वे आपस में दुश्मन हो गए ? यह आपस में झगडा तो भाई भाई में भी होता हैं इसका मतलब यह नहीं उनके खून में फरक आ गया |
जाट भोली कौम हैं , लोग इसके हांगे इसकी ताक़त का हमेशा इस्तेमाल करते आये हैं और रहेंगे भी अगर हम ऐसे ही जिन्नाह जैसे लोगो की बातो में आते रहे | यह बात हर धर्म के जाट पर लागू होती हैं |
पावेरिया साहब ने कहा हैं की पहले हम अपने गाँव के हिन्दू जाटों को इकट्ठा कर ले परन्तु पावेरिया साहब आपने तो अपने ज़हन में पहले ही जाट को बाँट दिया | आपकी सोच अच्छी हैं जाट को इकट्ठा करने की पर इसको थोडा दुरुस्त करे |
एक आशीष मलिक जी वही शब्द दोहरा रहे हैं जो सचिन बाल्यान कहता हैं | अच्छी बात हैं यह साईट सब के लिए ओपन हो हर बिरादरी के लोगो को हमारा इतिहास पता लगे पर यहाँ कई दूसरी जाति के लोग पहले ही आते हैं नकली id बना कर , तो मलिक साहब आप इसकी चिंता न करे | मलिक साहब यहाँ प्रशन हर धर्म के जाटों का था न के हर बिरादरी का | जाट होने पर फक्र करो न के हिन्दू मुसलमान होने पर |
एक शिव खेरा ( खत्री पंजाबी ) हैं जो नारा देता फिर रहा हैं के " धर्म बदल सकते हैं तो जाति क्यों नहीं " देश की एकता की बात करता हैं | उसे कोई बताने वालो हो की पहले अपने नाम से अपने गोत्तर को हटा ( जो जाति को दर्शाता हैं ) फेर बात करना देश भक्ति की | अभी जाटों के उसकी यह बात ध्यान नहीं आई हैं नहीं तो जाट अपनी जाति भी मिटने को तैयार हो जायेंगे उसके देश भक्ति के नारे पर | खेरा साहब को बताने वालो हो के पहले वो अपनी खुद की जाति को देश भक्ति का पाठ पढाओ क्योकि देश के हर बड़े घौटाले में आपकी जाति के लोगो का हाथ हैं | जाट तो जन्म ही देश कौम के लिए लेता हैं |
जाट अपनी ज़मीन नहीं छोड़ सकता उसके लिए वो अपना धर्म त्याग सकता हैं असल में जाट का धर्म अपने देश कौम की सेवा का होता हैं जिसे वो बखूबी निभाता हैं | मलेरकोटला ( पंजाब ) में मेरे एक जानकार हैं चीमा साहब | वो लोग 1947 में हिन्दुस्तान आए थे , उनके चाचा वही पकिस्तान में रह गए क्योकि उनकीं वहा ज़मीन बहुत थी और उन्होंने अपना धर्म बदल लिया | चीमा साहब के चाचा नवाज शरीफ की सरकार में शिक्षा मंत्री भी रहे हैं | पकिस्तान में अभी भी लोक गीतों में जग्गा जाट , जेओना मौर ( जानी चोर ) आदि के किस्से गाए जाते हैं | अबरार - उल - हक के गीत सुनना पता लग जायेगा वहा जाट वाद कितना हैं | पूर्व प्रीमियर तिवाना साहब के पोते ने बताया के पाकिस्तान में हम जाट इतिहास के बारे में लिख कर सरकार को दे देते हैं उसको छपवाने , स्कुल में लागु करने का काम सरकार करती हैं | देख लो अब कितना फरक हैं यहाँ के जाटों और वहा के जाटों में |
पहले पूरा ज्ञान लो , इन् जिन्नाह जैसे लोगो की बातो में आकर अपने विचार मत दो | इनकी बातो में आकर पहले एक बार बंटवारा हो चुका हैं |

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जाट जाति हर धर्म में हैं | चाहे वो मुस्लिम हो , सिख हो , हिन्दू हो , या चाहे ईसाई धर्म हो | जाट जाति के लोग कई एशियाई व युरोपिए मुल्को में आबाद हैं , जैसा की हमारे इतिहासकार सिद्ध कर चुके हैं | फरक इतना हैं के इनको हर मुल्क में अलग अलग नाम से जाना जाता हैं | हमे जाट जाति के लोग संसार में जाहा भी बसते हैं उनके बारे में जानना चाहिए और यह साईट इन सब के बारे में जानने का अच्छा माध्यम हैं | यहाँ भी आप लोग बहस करने लग गए , अपनों को अपनों से बांटने में लग गए |
हम सब चौ. छोटूराम का बहुत मान सम्मान करते हैं उनको अपना आदर्श मानते हैं | परन्तु हम सब उनकी शिक्षाओ को भूल रहे हैं क्योकि हमे उनके बारे में विस्तार से नहीं पढाया जाता | यह कह दिया जाता हैं के वो समय अलग था जब चौ. साहब ने जाट / किसान जागृती की लडाई लड़ी थी | चौ. साहब ने जो अलख जगाया था उसमे सब से अहम् शिक्षा थी के " हमे (जाटों को ) धार्मिक तौर पर कभी भी कट्टर व रुढिवादी नहीं होना चाहिए |" इसी शिक्षा के दम पर चौ.साहब पूरी कौम को जगाने , जोड़ने एक मंच पर इकट्ठा करने में कामयाब हुए | 1936-37 के चुनाव में मुस्लिम लीग (जिन्नाह की पार्टी ) के दो सदस्य ही चुनाव जीत पाए थे , जिनमे बाद में एक जमींदार पार्टी में मिल गया | जब सन 1944 में मुस्लिम लीग के नेता मोहम्मद अली जिन्नाह पश्चिमी पंजाब में मुसलमानों की संख्या अधिक होने के कारण वहां पकिस्तान बनाने की सम्भावनाये तलाशने गए और उन्होंने लाहौर में भाषण दिया की "पंजाब के मुसलमानों हमे अपना अलग से देश बनाना हैं जहाँ हम खुद मालिक होंगे , छोटूराम हिन्दू हैं वह हमारा कभी भी नहीं हो सकता , वह तो नाम का भी छोटा हैं , कद का भी छोटा हैं और धर्म का भी छोटा हैं , उसका साथ देना हमे शोभा नहीं देता |" इस पर पंजाब के प्रीमियर तिवाना साहब ( मुस्लिम जाट ) ने चौ.साहब को रोहतक से तुंरत जिन्नाह साहब का जवाब देने के लिए लाहौर बुलाया और चौ. साहब ने भाषण दिया " जिन्नाह साहब अपने को मुसलमानों का नेता कहते हैं , मुस्लिम्धर्मी होने का दावा करते हैं , लेकिन पाश्चात्ये संस्कृति में रेंज हैं , अंग्रेजी शराब पीते हैं , सूअर का मांस खाते हैं , अपने को पढ़ा लिखा कहते हैं , लेकिन उनको तो इतना भी ज्ञान नहीं की धर्म बदलने से खून नहीं बदलता | हम जाट हैं , हम हिन्दू - मुसलमान - सिक्ख - ईसाई सभी हैं | " इस पर पंजाब की मुस्लिम जनता जिन्नाह साहब के ऐसे पीछे पड़ी की जिन्नाह साहब रातो - रात लाहौर छोड़ गए और जब तक चौ.साहब जीवित रहे तब तक जिन्नाह साहब कभी लोट कर लाहौर नहीं आये | दिनाक 15 - 04 - 1944 को चौ. साहब ने महात्मा गाँधी को एक लम्बा पत्र लिखा जिसका सारांश था की " आप जिन्नाह की बातो में नहीं आना , वह एक बड़ा चतुर किस्म का इंसान हैं जिसे संयुक्त पंजाब व कश्मीरी मुसलमान पूरी तरह से नकार चुका हैं | जिन्नाह साहब को साफ़ तौर पर बता दिया जाये की वे पाकिस्तान का सपना लेना छोड़ दे | पर अफसोस चौ . साहब का 1945 में देहांत हो गया , और जिन्नाह साहब अपने मनसूबे में कामयाब हो गए | धर्म का भूत जाति के भूत से कही बड़ा होता हैं जल्दी सर चढ़ कर बोलता हैं | जिसका पूरा लाभ जिन्नाह साहब ने उठाया | यह 1947 में हिन्दू मुसलमान का , हिदुस्तान पकिस्तान का बंटवारा नहीं था यह तो हमारे जट्ट वाड़े का बंटवारा था | आज भी हम लोगो को इस धर्म के भूत ने झकड़ कर रखा हैं | आज भी हम जिन्नाह जैसे कुछ गलत लोगो के दुष्प्रचार में फसे हुए हैं | और लोगो की तरह कम से कम हम जाटों को तो अपने इस बंटवारे के बात नहीं करनी चाहिए |
गुर्ज्जर आरक्षण आन्दोलन में कश्मीर के मुसलमान गुर्ज्जर तक साथ देने आ गए थे | कल दिल्ली में एक क्षत्रिये महासभा हुई जिसमे 66 जीत कर आये राजपूत सांसदों का मान सम्मान किया गया | जिसमे मंच पर समाजवादी पार्टी के ठा० अमर सिंह व कांग्रेस के ठा० दिग्विजय सिंह एक साथ बैठे हुए थे | ठा० दिग्विजय सिंह ने दिल्ली में क्षत्रिये महासभा के भवन निर्माण के लिए उचित दाम में ज़मीन दिलवाने का आश्वाशन दिया वही ठा० अमर सिंह ने महासभा को एक करोड़ की राशिः दान दी | जब यह लोग एक मंच पर इकट्ठा हो सकते हैं तो हमे पहरेज क्यों हैं |
हिन्दुस्तान व पकिस्तान के जाट फौजी अपास में अपने मुल्को के लिए लड़ते हैं , यह उनका फर्ज हैं | इसका मतलब यह नहीं के वहा के जाट हमे नहीं चाहते | अगर ऐसी बात हैं तो पंजाब व हरयाणा के जाटों को दो दशक हो लिए आपस में पानी के लिए लड़ते हुए तो क्या वे दुश्मन हो गए ? , हरयाणा व उत्तर प्रदेश के जाटों को तो काफी समय हो गया जमुना नदी के पास खेती की ज़मीन के लिए खून खराबा करते हुए पता नहीं कितने मर लिए पर आज तक कोई फैसला नहीं हुआ , तो क्या वे आपस में दुश्मन हो गए ? यह आपस में झगडा तो भाई भाई में भी होता हैं इसका मतलब यह नहीं उनके खून में फरक आ गया |
जाट भोली कौम हैं , लोग इसके हांगे इसकी ताक़त का हमेशा इस्तेमाल करते आये हैं और रहेंगे भी अगर हम ऐसे ही जिन्नाह जैसे लोगो की बातो में आते रहे | यह बात हर धर्म के जाट पर लागू होती हैं |
पावेरिया साहब ने कहा हैं की पहले हम अपने गाँव के हिन्दू जाटों को इकट्ठा कर ले परन्तु पावेरिया साहब आपने तो अपने ज़हन में पहले ही जाट को बाँट दिया | आपकी सोच अच्छी हैं जाट को इकट्ठा करने की पर इसको थोडा दुरुस्त करे |
एक आशीष मलिक जी वही शब्द दोहरा रहे हैं जो सचिन बाल्यान कहता हैं | अच्छी बात हैं यह साईट सब के लिए ओपन हो हर बिरादरी के लोगो को हमारा इतिहास पता लगे पर यहाँ कई दूसरी जाति के लोग पहले ही आते हैं नकली id बना कर , तो मलिक साहब आप इसकी चिंता न करे | मलिक साहब यहाँ प्रशन हर धर्म के जाटों का था न के हर बिरादरी का | जाट होने पर फक्र करो न के हिन्दू मुसलमान होने पर |
एक शिव खेरा ( खत्री पंजाबी ) हैं जो नारा देता फिर रहा हैं के " धर्म बदल सकते हैं तो जाति क्यों नहीं " देश की एकता की बात करता हैं | उसे कोई बताने वालो हो की पहले अपने नाम से अपने गोत्तर को हटा ( जो जाति को दर्शाता हैं ) फेर बात करना देश भक्ति की | अभी जाटों के उसकी यह बात ध्यान नहीं आई हैं नहीं तो जाट अपनी जाति भी मिटने को तैयार हो जायेंगे उसके देश भक्ति के नारे पर | खेरा साहब को बताने वालो हो के पहले वो अपनी खुद की जाति को देश भक्ति का पाठ पढाओ क्योकि देश के हर बड़े घौटाले में आपकी जाति के लोगो का हाथ हैं | जाट तो जन्म ही देश कौम के लिए लेता हैं |
जाट अपनी ज़मीन नहीं छोड़ सकता उसके लिए वो अपना धर्म त्याग सकता हैं असल में जाट का धर्म अपने देश कौम की सेवा का होता हैं जिसे वो बखूबी निभाता हैं | मलेरकोटला ( पंजाब ) में मेरे एक जानकार हैं चीमा साहब | वो लोग 1947 में हिन्दुस्तान आए थे , उनके चाचा वही पकिस्तान में रह गए क्योकि उनकीं वहा ज़मीन बहुत थी और उन्होंने अपना धर्म बदल लिया | चीमा साहब के चाचा नवाज शरीफ की सरकार में शिक्षा मंत्री भी रहे हैं | पकिस्तान में अभी भी लोक गीतों में जग्गा जाट , जेओना मौर ( जानी चोर ) आदि के किस्से गाए जाते हैं | अबरार - उल - हक के गीत सुनना पता लग जायेगा वहा जाट वाद कितना हैं | पूर्व प्रीमियर तिवाना साहब के पोते ने बताया के पाकिस्तान में हम जाट इतिहास के बारे में लिख कर सरकार को दे देते हैं उसको छपवाने , स्कुल में लागु करने का काम सरकार करती हैं | देख लो अब कितना फरक हैं यहाँ के जाटों और वहा के जाटों में |
पहले पूरा ज्ञान लो , इन् जिन्नाह जैसे लोगो की बातो में आकर अपने विचार मत दो | इनकी बातो में आकर पहले एक बार बंटवारा हो चुका हैं |

Raka bhai sahab............ghana badiya likh diya aap ne, ek ek line katti tol tol ke likhi hai aap ne.....aur saari baat katti saachi....
Best regards
Deepak gill.

[richaaz]

What do u mean by complete jat?? Pl. Justify.....


There are some Jats in UP who are not completely Jat...hindi mein unhe "mula jat" bolte hain.....u even don't know ki how many such memebers are here......I don't want to hurt anybody's sentiments but when it is open for them also then why not Sikh Jat and Muslim Jat.

We must welcome them with great feeling of love and respect. The environment will not be disturbed by that but it will become more knowledgeable and enjoyable.

One thing m not clear with is Sikh Jatt and Sikh Jat.....what's the difference in two?

[mhundpuriamann]

mann sahab,

so what is yr stand now? you had taken 3 turns on yr opinion... no.1, no.2 nd now no. 3, which to me seems tht you are now back to yr original stand. if that is the case then you are 'prakashit' now. no need for me or someone else to de-bhramit you... glad to learn from you tht mann (jaat) and maan (jatt) are same.

thanks nd "keep walking" (johney walker ishtyle) with yr head held high nd keep adding more JAT/JATT in your "meflaan-ch" !!!


see m afraid that they(punjabi jaats) will overtake us , they are more gentle and more humble than us (haryanvi jats)(on average).

see they touch feets of elders and in haryana i have not come across any single guy who does this (no offense but this is true) :p ! m not saying that i am proud of this , we should also induce these habbits (spelling problem).

i am not talking for me only i can do better bhangra than many punjabi jat bahees (at tamil songs also :p ) and i can do better gaali-galauch than any haryani jat bhaee(grown in navodaya hostel :p )

i can do better horse riding than many jat sikhs and i have better stamina than many haryanvi jat bhaees (i usedto play hockey)

so i am perfectly ok for any scenario , i was just feeling doubt for my brothers .

[richi]

To all those who r so much keen at including muslim jats and sikh jats to this island first ask those muslim and sikh jats will they find it perfectly awesome ,easy and smooth getting associated with we hindu( ohh sorry )...:p jats?? ..well,this is the era of globalistion and segues,so pls do include christian jats toooo and even those who want to get converted to jats may be there r some who r eager to convert???:P ha we talk about racisism as unwanted ism but won't we be spreading JATISM by including ppl of other religion who once belonged to some other religion.??.this is nothing but revival of JAT CULT!!!....ND HINDU JATS CONVERETD TO SIKH ,MUSLIM SO ON.....HOW CAN SOMETHING BLEND WITH THE THING THAT HAS NO SUSCEPTIBILITY FOR THE FORMER?, ND GUYS TELL ME THAT HOW CAN A FOSSIL BE MADE ALIVE??????????????

[richaaz]

To all those who r so much keen at including muslim jats and sikh jats to this island first ask those muslim and sikh jats will they find it perfectly awesome ,easy and smooth getting associated with we hindu( ohh sorry )...:p jats?? ..well,this is the era of globalistion and segues,so pls do include christian jats toooo and even those who want to get converted to jats may be there r some who r eager to convert???:P ha we talk about racisism as unwanted ism but won't we be spreading JATISM by including ppl of other religion who once belonged to some other religion.??.this is nothing but revival of JAT CULT!!!....ND HINDU JATS CONVERETD TO SIKH ,MUSLIM SO ON.....HOW CAN SOMETHING BLEND WITH THE THING THAT HAS NO SUSCEPTIBILITY FOR THE FORMER?, ND GUYS TELL ME THAT HOW CAN A FOSSIL BE MADE ALIVE??????????????
Richi Here I always confused Ki Jat hai kaun? Wo jo sirf haryanwi bolte hain ya wo jo Rajasthani bolte hain ya fir wo jo Baraut ki thet bhasa bolte hain ...nahi nahi mujhe lagta hai wo Jinki boli main bulundshahar ya Mathura ki Brij ka acent hain?? Ya fir punjabi bone wale........Yahan to log jaton ko region se Rank aur complete jat aur uncomplete jat kaha jata hai...

[VJ]

ब्रह्म तेवतिया जी या के बांदरा के बीच में भेली बागा दी आपने ?
आडे हिन्दू जाटा के थोड़े खोसडे बाजे हैं आप आडे मुस्लिम और सिख जाटा ने निमंत्रण दो हो ! ये आपने आले तो काबू में आते ना ये ऐ बाव्लिबूच अर बेवकूफ कह हैं एक दुसरे ने और दुसरे भी बटले हो गए तो उन ने काबू में करण खातेर स्पेशल squad बनवाना पड़ेगा ! सारे एक तें एक सयाने हैं इतने सयाने एक जगह कठे करना गलत है ! मेरे वा साधू आली कहानी याद आवे है जिस गाम में उसकी खातिरदारी होई तो बोल्या यु गाम उजड़ जया अरे जड़े लोगा ने गाल दी उडे बोल्या यु गाम बस्या रहना चाहिए ! चेले ने पूछी क्यूँ तो बाबा बोल्या भले आदमी दुनिया में जितने फैलेंगे उतना ऐ बाकी लोग उन ने देख के भले बनेंगे अर बेवकूफ जितने फैलेंगे उतना ऐ दुनिया बेवकूफ होवेगी !
कहानी का सार ये है की इतने समझदार लोग जो हैं वे सारे फैले रहने चाहिए जे सारे आडे बटले हो गए दो दुनिया की समझदारी सारी एक जगह कट्ठी हो जागी फेर बाकी लोगा में समझदारी क्यूकर आवेगी ?

जाट एकता जिंदाबाद

number 1 rakka sir....:rock

[richi]

richa very well said but u know here we are not debating over who should be a real jat ??the issue is whether muslim and sikh jats should be involved for participation in the forum..or not??
Richi Here I always confused Ki Jat hai kaun? Wo jo sirf haryanwi bolte hain ya wo jo Rajasthani bolte hain ya fir wo jo Baraut ki thet bhasa bolte hain ...nahi nahi mujhe lagta hai wo Jinki boli main bulundshahar ya Mathura ki Brij ka acent hain?? Ya fir punjabi bone wale........Yahan to log jaton ko region se Rank aur complete jat aur uncomplete jat kaha jata hai...

[richaaz]

richa very well said but u know here we are not debating over who should be a real jat ??the issue is whether muslim and sikh jats should be involved for participation in the forum..or not??

My intension is the same... Every jat who belongs to India may be the member of this forum.

[SANDEEP5]

There are some Jats in UP who are not completely Jat...hindi mein unhe "mula jat" bolte hain.....u even don't know ki how many such memebers are here......I don't want to hurt anybody's sentiments but when it is open for them also then why not Sikh Jat and Muslim Jat.

We must welcome them with great feeling of love and respect. The environment will not be disturbed by that but it will become more knowledgeable and enjoyable.

One thing m not clear with is Sikh Jatt and Sikh Jat.....what's the difference in two?


What do you mean by this neelam ji, completely jat ?????. What is the meaning of complete jat as per your expectation? Jat is Jat of course.
And from whom and where do you came to know that MULA JAAT from UP are not complete JAAT.

As per my knowledge MULA JAAT are those Jaat who have converted to Muslim during Mughal Badshah Aurangjeb time' that's why we called them MULA JAAT.

[mhundpuriamann]

am just asking whether it is possible or not !

jatland should be open for all hindu jat boys and girls and for muslim and sikh jat girls only , if it is possible it would be the best thing :p

[sanjayrathee]

Amit FYI Dara Singh jis bhi kushti me rahe ho wo Akhil bhartiya Jat Mahasabha ke President rah chuke hain...... Vaise Sikh Jaton me bhi sirfiro ki kami nhi hai jo apne ko hindu jaton se superior kahte hain iski jad jan ne ke liye tumhe thodi history padhni padegi refer to Sh Dayanand Deswals posts....... Aur bhai mere kisi ko gaali doge to wo bhi aapko mala nhi pahnayega, aap likhne se pahle tolo fir likho,You can criticize constructively too if you need to, padh likhkar nhi khote ......

Sir Chotu Ram ne sirf do baat seekhne ko kaha tha....

A bhole kisan (JAT) do baatein seekh le

1. Bolna seekh le
2. Aadmi ko pahchan na seekh le


Kuch seekho.... chote bhai

Take Care

Sanjay Rathee :):):):)


bhi aik baat bata. Tere paas ek bhi sabut hae ki dara singh ji Asli wrestling mein the. Mein batata hoon. Ek bhi sabut naheen. Aur meine yaahan par sabut de rakhe haeen ki dara singh ji fake wrestling mein the. Aur mere hero sirf asli wrestler saur asli log haeen. Tere tarah filmoon ke chaknee hero aur heroine naheen. So chup raah ab aur phaltu ki bateein na kar. aur tu mere baare mein itna jaanta hae begeer dekhe aur mile? Jaayda filmeen dekh li tanne.

[vikassingh1]

am just asking whether it is possible or not !

jatland should be open for all hindu jat boys and girls and for muslim and sikh jat girls only , if it is possible it would be the best thing :p


:D Power to You my friend!
Cheers

[aryasatyadev]

Sanjay Bhai, iss topic ne ib chhod dyo, wa te thread bhi band hogi.....

Amit FYI Dara Singh jis bhi kushti me rahe ho wo Akhil bhartiya Jat Mahasabha ke President rah chuke hain...... Vaise Sikh Jaton me bhi sirfiro ki kami nhi hai jo apne ko hindu jaton se superior kahte hain iski jad jan ne ke liye tumhe thodi history padhni padegi refer to Sh Dayanand Deswals posts....... Aur bhai mere kisi ko gaali doge to wo bhi aapko mala nhi pahnayega, aap likhne se pahle tolo fir likho,You can criticize constructively too if you need to, padh likhkar nhi khote ......

Sir Chotu Ram ne sirf do baat seekhne ko kaha tha....

A bhole kisan (JAT) do baatein seekh le

1. Bolna seekh le
2. Aadmi ko pahchan na seekh le


Kuch seekho.... chote bhai

Take Care

Sanjay Rathee :):):):)

[aryasatyadev]

Jitender bhai no naughty thoughts.....serious ho jao..... upar dekh kaisi kaisi discussion ho chuki hain, so pls dont try to de-rail this thread..... or start another controversy by your quote.....

am just asking whether it is possible or not !

jatland should be open for all hindu jat boys and girls and for muslim and sikh jat girls only , if it is possible it would be the best thing :p

[mhundpuriamann]

Jitender bhai no naughty thoughts.....serious ho jao..... upar dekh kaisi kaisi discussion ho chuki hain, so pls dont try to de-rail this thread..... or start another controversy by your quote.....

okk ji okk m sorry but brother i was saying it seiously , :confused:

why it is not possible ? moderaters have to do only one thing , just don't accept any new member except girls , this is so simple :p

[brahmtewatia]

To all those who r so much keen at including muslim jats (>>> XXX) and sikh jats (>>> √√√) to this island first ask those muslim and sikh jats will they find it perfectly awesome ,easy and smooth getting associated with we hindu( ohh sorry )...:p jats?? ..well,this is the era of globalistion and segues,so pls do include christian jats toooo and even those who want to get converted to jats may be there r some who r eager to convert???:P ha we talk about racisism as unwanted ism but won't we be spreading JATISM by including ppl of other religion who once belonged to some other religion.??.this is nothing but revival of JAT CULT!!!....ND HINDU JATS CONVERETD TO SIKH ,MUSLIM SO ON.....HOW CAN SOMETHING BLEND WITH THE THING THAT HAS NO SUSCEPTIBILITY FOR THE FORMER?, ND GUYS TELL ME THAT HOW CAN A FOSSIL BE MADE ALIVE??????????????
to the best of my knowledge, i haven't seen any sikh JATT social site/forum discriminating against hindu JAT’s… in fact i’m personally a member of “JATTworld” as well. having said so, i feel this to be grossly unfair that we keep JATland restricted to only hindu JAT’s. at the same time, when we talk abt JAT celebrities, we don’t miss a chance nd feel proud to mention the names of bhagat singh, dara singh or dharmendra for tht matter… then why this discrimination against JATT’s ?

JATism for sure is the best "ism". we must strive hard to spread it across the globe !!! any doubts abt that ?

[rajivsp]

JATism for sure is the best "ism". we must strive hard to spread it across the globe !!! any doubts abt that ?
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btw what is JATism?

[brahmtewatia]

btw what is JATism?
if ?... nd only if JAT's can ever get united... u'll understand what this "ism" is all about.
...
follow few signatures of members on this portal, you might get an idea... for more refer to my next post.

[brahmtewatia]

thanks all for varied nd worthy responses, as i see different opinions emerging out, on the subject matter.

My answer is a big "NO" for Muslim JAT's !

my reasons:
before signing in again on the subject matter after my title post, i got the chance to go thru the archives nd learnt tht the matter was raised for discussion several times, but with no outcome. i hope, we reach to some conclusion(s) this time, as i request other/senior members to raise their voice once again. at the same time, i request the mods for some justified implementation frm the outcome of the poll attached to this thread, which has seen very good polling within 2 days... a close to 50 poll responses.

if we take the premise/fact tht JAT is a RACE nd put our sight away from the pigeonhole view, then i guess we all hindu, sikh nd muslim JAT’s fall in the same assemblage. but with people’s growing obsession with religion, we all JAT’s seem to be are falling apart. i say so esp. with muslim JAT’s, where the cultural divide has extended to such a point tht it is now irreversible, i mean it is now impossible to think tht we are the same race nd can come under the same umbrella… cos… “the religion takes the upper hand�.

having said so nd as stated in my title post... "i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion". i also don’t see any similarities btwn us (here i’m talking of hindu JAT’s) nd the muslim JAT’s, or may be i’m terribly mistaken… pls. correct me if i’m wrong. moreover, after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other. to cut the matter short, as explained above… we have drifted apart nd this change is NOW TOTALLY IRREVERSIBLE… so my answer is “NO� to muslim JAT’s.

My answer is a big "YES" for Sikh JAT's (JATT's) !

... my views on JATT's to follow later.

now coming to JATT’s (sikh JAT’s)… i feel, we are the same cos sikhism as far as my knowledge goes is/was n’vr a religion. well, most of us know about sikhism, its existence, when nd where it started… so no confusions on that aspect, as sikhism is/was bifurcated from hinduism only. it’s a different matter that many people have branded it as religion… may be for selfish gains/interests. the fact is, that it is/was a panth (sect), whereby guru gobind singh ji raised the army to fight against the muslims.

we still share a lot of similarities among each other nd even have similar surnames like dhillon, gill, chahal, maan/mann, just to mention a few. many panths in hinduism follow the same traditions as followed by sikhs. i’ve n’vr seen any sikh JATT social site/forum discriminating against hindu JAT’s… in fact i’m personally a member of “JATTworld� as well. having said so, i feel this to be grossly unfair that we keep JATland restricted to only hindu JAT’s. at the same time, when we talk abt JAT celebrities, we don’t miss a chance nd feel proud to mention the names of bhagat singh, dara singh or dharmendra for tht matter… then why this discrimination against JATT’s ?

i’ve outlined my reasons for not allowing muslim JAT’s in my earlier post http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=212581&postcount=31 whereby I’ve mentioned abt the cultural divide btwn muslim nd hindu JAT’s, that has extended to such a point tht it is now irreversible… cos… “the religion takes the upper hand�.

to me it seems tht we (hindu JAT’s) are now distancing away frm our co-brothers (sikh JATT’s) nd we have to act fast before this change becomes IRREVERSIBLE. in many social sites there is a talk as to who are better JAT’s or JATT’s ? if we don’t unite now, it will only encourage to further divisiveness as has been the case with muslim JAT’s.

p.s. : my personal views based on my knowledge, pls. correct me if i’m wrong anywhere.

[brahmtewatia]

हम सब चौ. छोटूराम का बहुत मान सम्मान करते हैं उनको अपना आदर्श मानते हैं | परन्तु हम सब उनकी शिक्षाओ को भूल रहे हैं क्योकि हमे उनके बारे में विस्तार से नहीं पढाया जाता | यह कह दिया जाता हैं के वो समय अलग था जब चौ. साहब ने जाट / किसान जागृती की लडाई लड़ी थी | चौ. साहब ने जो अलख जगाया था उसमे सब से अहम् शिक्षा थी के " हमे (जाटों को ) धार्मिक तौर पर कभी भी कट्टर व रुढिवादी नहीं होना चाहिए |" इसी शिक्षा के दम पर चौ.साहब पूरी कौम को जगाने , जोड़ने एक मंच पर इकट्ठा करने में कामयाब हुए |
....
धर्म का भूत जाति के भूत से कही बड़ा होता हैं जल्दी सर चढ़ कर बोलता हैं | जिसका पूरा लाभ जिन्नाह साहब ने उठाया | यह 1947 में हिन्दू मुसलमान का , हिदुस्तान पकिस्तान का बंटवारा नहीं था यह तो हमारे जट्ट वाड़े का बंटवारा था | आज भी हम लोगो को इस धर्म के भूत ने झकड़ कर रखा हैं | आज भी हम जिन्नाह जैसे कुछ गलत लोगो के दुष्प्रचार में फसे हुए हैं | और लोगो की तरह कम से कम हम जाटों को तो अपने इस बंटवारे के बात नहीं करनी चाहिए |
rakesh bhaisahab,

with due regards to your opinion nd my personal appreciation for this very candid post of yours... i wud like to say one thing... that "YES" aapne jo baat likhi hai wo waqt purana tha. things have now changed nd so are the people. i've elaborated at length about my apprehensions of including muslim JAT's cos "the religion has taken upper hand". aur is baat is aap bhi ittefaaq rakhte hein, when you said... धर्म का भूत जाति के भूत से कही बड़ा होता हैं जल्दी सर चढ़ कर बोलता हैं

mingling with muslim JAT's is a far reality now nd i fear the same may hold true with sikh JATT's if we don't act/unite now.

[sachinb]

Dear Mr Rakesh Sangwan,

would you like to stand by what you have written by quoting Ch. Chhotu Ram

Jat Ekta Jindabaad:rock
Jat Ekta Jindabaad:rock

Angrejo Bharat Chhodo:rock

[mhundpuriamann]

:D Power to You my friend!
Cheers

bhaee friend to nu-e rog kattyaa karai arr nue jee se liya karai :p

[mhundpuriamann]

What do u mean by complete jat?? Pl. Justify.....

i'll tell......... (pardon for spellings)

1. first he/she should satisfie basic face features of jat.

2. he/she should not be dark (kala peelaa nhee hona chahiye)

these two things u get by blood everything else depends on ur

environment.

[richaaz]

i'll tell......... (pardon for spellings)

1. first he/she should satisfie basic face features of jat.

What does it mean?? How and who do decide??

2. he/she should not be dark (kala peelaa nhee hona chahiye)
Are you searching for life partner??

these two things u get by blood everything else depends on ur

environment.

Plz tell about the name of the lab and plz attach here your authorise cetificate

[aryasatyadev]

Richa, please don't get angry on Jitender..... he is trying to be naughty... ignore that....
Here the question is whether we allow Sikh and Muslim Jats on this site..... pls contribute.....

[navdeepbudhwar]

we should allow all the jats......
arrr ve bhi to maare bhai hai...

[navdeepbudhwar]

i'll tell......... (pardon for spellings)

1. first he/she should satisfie basic face features of jat.

2. he/she should not be dark (kala peelaa nhee hona chahiye)

these two things u get by blood everything else depends on ur

environment.


pehlan to tu spellings ki koi dikkat na krra...ade moderator spelling mistake ki no. ni katya karta

arr ib nyu btao ki konsi kitab /granth mai likya hai ke jo admi ye do points satisfy karega vohi jat hoga.......
kyo jata mai kaale,peele , neele, gulabi logg nai ho sakte....

[mann123]

i'll tell......... (pardon for spellings)

1. first he/she should satisfie basic face features of jat.

2. he/she should not be dark (kala peelaa nhee hona chahiye)

these two things u get by blood everything else depends on ur

environment.


Bhai you reminded me the tests done by Hitler while searching for his so called clan.

[navdeepbudhwar]

Bhai you reminded me the tests done by Hitler while searching for his so called clan.


hitler ke karta tha???
and what is this clan stands for???????

[ssgoyat]

definately ..

even here in my MBA institute i have united all jat's/jatt's

whether are there any muslim/hindu/sikkh jaat's..

[amans]

May be take a survey of muslims jats about how much love they have for hindu jats. Then you would change your minds.

[snandal1]

this site JATland, as we all know is for hindu JAT's only. i don’t know whether this subject has been taken up for discussion earlier or not, but the question of allowing sikh JAT's (JATT's) nd Muslim JAT's on JATland, comes up every now nd then.

JAT's, as we all know is a race nd not a caste/sub-caste, community or religion… then why this discrimination against sikh nd muslim JAT's ? as per my knowledge all sikhs are JAT’s first then a sikh nd a majority of muslim JAT's are converts to islam. i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion. having said so, we must not forget, tht this will also allow the variety in opinions from other JAT's nd would give some good as well as bad perspectives. will JAT's (hindu, muslim nd sikh) be able to ever unite ?

i invite fellow members to share their views as to what they think about the subject… whether they would like to have sikh JAT's only or muslim JAT's as well or none of them. what they think will be the repercussions, if at all they are allowed ? on the subject, we can also discuss on the similarities nd dissimilarities among hindu, muslim nd sikh JAT's. a poll is also added to the thread to reach some conclusion.

p.s. : the post does not carry my personal views… the subject is raised for discussion only.

used to be some bandhu. he was born n brought up in baniyas nd incidently looked like them also.but in my opinion all hindu, sikh, muslim, chirstian, bishnoi panthi, kabir panthi, tulsi panthi, udhas panthi, jain panthi, buddha panthi........etc. all jats must unite.

[deepakchoudhry]

All Jats should be included.

[navdeepbudhwar]

May be take a survey of muslims jats about how much love they have for hindu jats. Then you would change your minds.
ya its true that muslim jaats have soo much love for hindu jats...they are realy nice ppl....
vaise saare muslim kattar nai hote...

[mann123]

Vote for Jatt and Jat. I believe they are more associated with each other culturally and socially then muslims.

[sachinb]

All human beings should be included if that is the case......broad minded hona hai to phir puri tarah kheench ke chalo


All Jats should be included.

[amritkharb]

Let us include all animals also. woh bhi too bhagwan ke banye huee haeen. Mere tote ko include kar loo woh bolta bhi bhi hae, aur meri bhains, aur bakri ko bhi kar loo include. Nahee too unko thees lagege. Koi iss web site ko bhav bhi deta hae sirf jo log yahaan par kahbhi kabhi aate haeen? honesty see jawab dena bhaiyoon.;)

[sachinb]

Haan bhai kam se kam Chipanzi and Monkeys ko bhi includ karna chaahiye,,,,thodi bhot training devaange to computer pe haath maarna bhi seekh jyaange:D


Let us include all animals also. woh bhi too bhagwan ke banye huee haeen. Mere tote ko include kar loo woh bolta bhi bhi hae, aur meri bhains, aur bakri ko bhi kar loo include. Nahee too unko thees lagege. Koi iss web site ko bhav bhi deta hae sirf jo log yahaan par kahbhi kabhi aate haeen? honesty see jawab dena bhaiyoon.;)

[jitendershooda]

Rakesh bhai aapne kafi aacha likha apni post mein. Lekin kuchek sawal hein dimag mein kripya parkash dalna.

As far as Sikh Jatts are concerned though they might consider themselves different but its clear that they were Hindu Jats only earlier. Unke sath riste bhi hon hein apne er as far as I know there are some Jatts also on this site.

But when it comes for Muslim Jats. Who were they? Were they originally Hindu Jats but turned to Muslims during time of aurangjeb? How they are similar to us in present scenerio thoughts/rahen sehan/manyataen? I have read that in our area also muslims tortured our ancestors ... were these Jat muslims were the same who did to us? E.g. Kalaunaur kolla poojan .... etc. Is there any forum of these muslim jats too? What is their opinion about we other religion jats?

[veerwaljat]

hi,

even i am not agree to allow Sikh & Muslim jat to allow to be member of JL. Somehow, somewhere might you all have realize that Sikh Jat think they are superior then Hindu Jat, They misbehave with Hindu Jat(either they are from Bihar, UP, Haryana') in
Punjab by calling "Bhayia". alway look Hindu Jat like a below cast, “bhangi� and treat with them like their servent by using untoleratable words.

You might remember JL 2 or three year back Shikh Jat took action to thought out ALL Hindu Jat from Punjab. Even you may found in offices a Sikh Jat always promoter only A Sikh Jat, even u r good performer then promoted Sikh jat.

They (Sikh * Muslim) Jat are totally different from Hindu’s culture wise too.

Hindu Jat who residing out of India might found them helpful and good friends there in foreign countries. Because every one out site home country need help so they do and you may help them too there.

But in home country Sikh Jat treat Hindu Jat very rudly.

Virender mann Ã* you are right in Guru Granth Sahib it is written â€� You can not be a Sikh unless you are a Hinduâ€�

But do you think they are following Hinduism??
When Maharasthra people were killing Hindu people or Student, forcing them to leave maharashtra where were they.

If this kind of misshaping happened with Sikh then it can be big issue.

One more example of difference in Hindu Jat and Skih Jat can be seen in Delhi
Guru Teg Bahadur College in which only Sikh student will be accepted. But in
Christen School any student from any religion will be accepted.
What else proff you need friends.


Even Maharasthra people also shown then anger towards the Hindu Jat(either they are from Bihar, UP, Haryana') .Last year in Delhi, govt. was planning to take action like this.

My seniors and friends :Ã*
If you go through this thread you might find Hindu Jat’s is directly or indirectly fighting with each other through words. 1st of all we Hindu Jat needs to think just like one about Hindu Jat then only unitization of Hindu Jat is possible.

whether you accept it or not we(Hindhu Jat) need to bring more Unity and tri get in touch with as much as possible Hindu Jat and gear up our value in society.

I would say JL should be for Hindu Jat only

[mhundpuriamann]

Plz tell about the name of the lab and plz attach here your authorise cetificate

hello richa ji,
these type of things are things are refrences by themselves we need not to have proofs for them . if u can't select a jat from a mob then what is the meaning of castism and all these things, then they will become theoritical things only. u can easily (at least me ) identify a jat from a group of people if u can't , then simple he is not a complete jat , there must be something wrong.

[mhundpuriamann]

Plz tell about the name of the lab and plz attach here your authorise cetificate

once i read in my sister's book (12th grade history or something, basic features of aryan people) it is CBSE syllabus book , now i think u need not any proofs. :)

it is not a question of life parterner ma'am :) i thought u want to know the basic difference between jats and other casts so i tried . :)

[mhundpuriamann]

Richa, please don't get angry on Jitender..... he is trying to be naughty... ignore that....
Here the question is whether we allow Sikh and Muslim Jats on this site..... pls contribute.....

why to ignore me man ! mai koe kameen kandoo hoon :p ! she enquired and i was trying to tell the best what i know , simple !

[brahmtewatia]

Let us include all animals also. woh bhi too bhagwan ke banye huee haeen. Mere tote ko include kar loo woh bolta bhi bhi hae, aur meri bhains, aur bakri ko bhi kar loo include. Nahee too unko thees lagege. Koi iss web site ko bhav bhi deta hae sirf jo log yahaan par kahbhi kabhi aate haeen? honesty see jawab dena bhaiyoon.;)
when you talk of animals in yr list, thank mods nd feel yrself as lucky being a member of JATland. dont behave like a 'nerd' if you have nothing to contribute... start another thread on ढोर nd डांगर's... nd include yrself along with the list of animals.

[richaaz]

hello richa ji,
these type of things are things are refrences by themselves we need not to have proofs for them . if u can't select a jat from a mob then what is the meaning of castism and all these things, then they will become theoritical things only. u can easily (at least me ) identify a jat from a group of people if u can't , then simple he is not a complete jat , there must be something wrong.

Castes were divided on the basis of the occupation... aur unke kam se logo ko jana jata tha.. now it is the time of compition , globlization etc....... Aaj agar ek jat kirane ki dukan karta hai to wo baniya nahi ho jata....lekin uske bahwar main jarur change aa jayega.. he will become polite becaz usse apna business chalana hai.....Feature se aur language inshan pahchna ja sakta hai ki wo kis region ko belong karta hai uski jati ko nahi.
Have u seen/meet any INCOMPLETE jat??

[brahmtewatia]

even i am not agree to allow Sikh & Muslim jat to allow to be member of JL. Somehow, somewhere might you all have realize that Sikh Jat think they are superior then Hindu Jat, They misbehave with Hindu Jat(either they are from Bihar, UP, Haryana') in
Punjab by calling "Bhayia". alway look Hindu Jat like a below cast, “bhangi� and treat with them like their servent by using untoleratable words.

You might remember JL 2 or three year back Shikh Jat took action to thought out ALL Hindu Jat from Punjab. Even you may found in offices a Sikh Jat always promoter only A Sikh Jat, even u r good performer then promoted Sikh jat.

They (Sikh * Muslim) Jat are totally different from Hindu’s culture wise too.

Hindu Jat who residing out of India might found them helpful and good friends there in foreign countries. Because every one out site home country need help so they do and you may help them too there.

But in home country Sikh Jat treat Hindu Jat very rudly.

Virender mann Ã* you are right in Guru Granth Sahib it is written â€� You can not be a Sikh unless you are a Hinduâ€�

But do you think they are following Hinduism??
When Maharasthra people were killing Hindu people or Student, forcing them to leave maharashtra where were they.

If this kind of misshaping happened with Sikh then it can be big issue.

One more example of difference in Hindu Jat and Skih Jat can be seen in Delhi Guru Teg Bahadur College in which only Sikh student will be accepted. But in Christen School any student from any religion will be accepted.
What else proff you need friends.
suneel, pls. go thru my post # 76 >>> http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=213016&postcount=76 ... where i am trying to explain tht we must include at least JATT's before the divide btwn hindu JAT's nd sikh JATT's becomes irreversible. if we don’t unite now, it will only encourage to further divisiveness as has been the case with muslim JAT’s.

[mhundpuriamann]

pehlan to tu spellings ki koi dikkat na krra...ade moderator spelling mistake ki no. ni katya karta

arr ib nyu btao ki konsi kitab /granth mai likya hai ke jo admi ye do points satisfy karega vohi jat hoga.......
kyo jata mai kaale,peele , neele, gulabi logg nai ho sakte....


we people came from iran or somewhere from that side, it is not a belief it is fact , ok brother now....

if u see iranian people they all are same (homogenous) they share same skin texture same nose shapes,approximately all things same! this is what we call a race !

but in india our forefathers got mixed with inhabitants of india (black people) , because of that some jats are also have black skin and relatively different nose and forehead shapes , these people are not complete jats !
what is wrong in this, they may be superior than jats (who m i to decide) but they are not jats , this is clear !

now i think am clear , u wanna know something elase. ;)

[mhundpuriamann]

Bhai you reminded me the tests done by Hitler while searching for his so called clan.

yes u r very much right brother ! but the main difference between us and hitler is that we humbly say we r jats , i am not saying because we r different that's why we r superior to all other indians (or any other world race) i am saying (haath jor kai :p ) that we r different and we r happy in that. no question of aggression or hatred.

[brahmtewatia]

Haan bhai kam se kam Chipanzi and Monkeys ko bhi includ karna chaahiye,,,,thodi bhot training devaange to computer pe haath maarna bhi seekh jyaange:D
nd i thot one months ban brought back some bit of sanity in you. have a grip on the subject when you say...
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All human beings should be included if that is the case......broad minded hona hai to phir puri tarah kheench ke chalo
this thread is not talking of broadmindedness or blah blah... we are only discussing HERE the inclusion or not of sikh nd muslim JAT's.

[brahmtewatia]

Rakesh bhai aapne kafi aacha likha apni post mein. Lekin kuchek sawal hein dimag mein kripya parkash dalna.

As far as Sikh Jatts are concerned though they might consider themselves different but its clear that they were Hindu Jats only earlier. Unke sath riste bhi hon hein apne er as far as I know there are some Jatts also on this site.

But when it comes for Muslim Jats. Who were they? Were they originally Hindu Jats but turned to Muslims during time of aurangjeb? How they are similar to us in present scenerio thoughts/rahen sehan/manyataen? I have read that in our area also muslims tortured our ancestors ... were these Jat muslims were the same who did to us? E.g. Kalaunaur kolla poojan .... etc. Is there any forum of these muslim jats too? What is their opinion about we other religion jats?
would appreciate if rakesh bhai or someone else can throw more light here...

[mhundpuriamann]

Castes were divided on the basis of the occupation... aur unke kam se logo ko jana jata tha.. now it is the time of compition , globlization etc....... Aaj agar ek jat kirane ki dukan karta hai to wo baniya nahi ho jata....lekin uske bahwar main jarur change aa jayega.. he will become polite becaz usse apna business chalana hai.....Feature se aur language inshan pahchna ja sakta hai ki wo kis region ko belong karta hai uski jati ko nahi.
Have u seen/meet any INCOMPLETE jat??

no offense richa ji but if casts were divided on the basis of occupation only (these are just political things to please mobs) then why 99% chuhre , chamar, bhangee all are dark black (royal black :p ) and 99% jats are whetish or fair , why ? just tell me please.

[mhundpuriamann]

Castes were divided on the basis of the occupation... aur unke kam se logo ko jana jata tha.. now it is the time of compition , globlization etc....... Aaj agar ek jat kirane ki dukan karta hai to wo baniya nahi ho jata....lekin uske bahwar main jarur change aa jayega.. he will become polite becaz usse apna business chalana hai.....Feature se aur language inshan pahchna ja sakta hai ki wo kis region ko belong karta hai uski jati ko nahi.
Have u seen/meet any INCOMPLETE jat??

yes i have seen incomplete jats and u also can see them they are everywhere, in my family itself (kunbaa) there are few, and so many in my village :p i might be one of them because nobody has contoroll in these things but luckily am not :p , they are in every village.

[coolengineer]

Bro,
Are you sure that you are a complete jat???


we people came from iran or somewhere from that side, it is not a belief it is fact , ok brother now....

if u see iranian people they all are same (homogenous) they share same skin texture same nose shapes,approximately all things same! this is what we call a race !

but in india our forefathers got mixed with inhabitants of india (black people) , because of that some jats are also have black skin and relatively different nose and forehead shapes , these people are not complete jats !
what is wrong in this, they may be superior than jats (who m i to decide) but they are not jats , this is clear !

now i think am clear , u wanna know something elase. ;)

[navdeepbudhwar]

yes i have seen incomplete jats and u also can see them they are everywhere, in my family itself (kunbaa) there are few, and so many in my village :p i might be one of them because nobody has contoroll in these things but luckily am not :p , they are in every village.

bhai tahre gam mai honge nakli jaat maare mai to nai hai.....:tamatar

n moreover v r here to discuss wheather to include sikh n muslim jats or not....
i don't know why are you catagorising jats as complete and incomplete.....
arr bhai complete lele ya incomplete,, jaat to vohi hai joo sherdil ho.....
:rock:rock

[mhundpuriamann]

Bro,
Are you sure that you are a complete jat???

yes i am , brother ! i have met many incidents ! i'll tell u one :-

once i was going somewhre in delhi by bus , suddenly a guy of my age asked "hey ".........." (some name) where are u going " i really din't recognise him, but i knew what the matter is. i asked him if his friend is a jat , he said yes . then i told him that brother in my cast u will find at least two guys in each street with similar face and height.

and brother i have met many people with this misunderstanding that m there friend.

i represent a common face for my caste , that is more than enough. am very happy in this thing. :p

[sachinb]

I talk like this because i have to treat insane people as well.

You keep running the race of making yourself recognised as an Intellectual. Keep doing this Leela and Laal combination.:D

I think in that case your definition of Broadminded is also very narrow. Thats why it comes in to play. I am not going to walk on the line which you draw, no body can restrict the scope of any topic or any thread what so ever it is.

How the hell you concluded that the Sikh Jats can be part of this site and not Muslim Jats. The grounds on which you were talking are absolutely illogical and baseless.


nd i thot one months ban brought back some bit of sanity in you. have a grip on the subject when you say...
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this thread is not talking of broadmindedness or blah blah... we are only discussing HERE the inclusion or not of sikh nd muslim JAT's.

[sachinb]

arre kheench ke le Gohana Tehsil aale:rock,,,,,you are true Jat,,,,,,duniyaa ki parvaah na karre,,,,,haade ghane angrej basse se


why to ignore me man ! mai koe kameen kandoo hoon :p ! she enquired and i was trying to tell the best what i know , simple !

[mhundpuriamann]

bhai tahre gam mai honge nakli jaat maare mai to nai hai.....:tamatar

n moreover v r here to discuss wheather to include sikh n muslim jats or not....
i don't know why are you catagorising jats as complete and incomplete.....
arr bhai complete lele ya incomplete,, jaat to vohi hai joo sherdil ho.....
:rock:rock


that's great brother but............. chall jaan de :p

darte to kaee churhe bhee konyaa , ve pher jaat ho-ge ?

[coolengineer]

Sir jee,
I think you misunderstood my question.
I asked whether you are a complete jat or not in reference to your statements marked in red below.Either i am confused or else I find your statements highly contradicting.

Your so Called Kunbaa belongs to same forefathers but still as you say that you a Complete jat while few in your Kunbaa are incomplete jats.
Any idea How and why it happened??

P.S :- Sorry for going off topic.


we people came from iran or somewhere from that side, it is not a belief it is fact , ok brother now....

if u see iranian people they all are same (homogenous) they share same skin texture same nose shapes,approximately all things same! this is what we call a race !

but in india our forefathers got mixed with inhabitants of india (black people) , because of that some jats are also have black skin and relatively different nose and forehead shapes , these people are not complete jats !
what is wrong in this, they may be superior than jats (who m i to decide) but they are not jats , this is clear !

now i think am clear , u wanna know something elase. ;)


yes i have seen incomplete jats and u also can see them they are everywhere, in my family itself (kunbaa) there are few, and so many in my village :p i might be one of them because nobody has contoroll in these things but luckily am not :p , they are in every village.

[brahmtewatia]

Haan bhai kam se kam Chipanzi and Monkeys ko bhi includ karna chaahiye,,,,thodi bhot training devaange to computer pe haath maarna bhi seekh jyaange:D


I talk like this because i have to treat insane people as well.

You keep running the race of making yourself recognised as an Intellectual. Keep doing this Leela and Laal combination.:D

I think in that case your definition of Broadminded is also very narrow. Thats why it comes in to play. I am not going to walk on the line which you draw, no body can restrict the scope of any topic or any thread what so ever it is.

How the hell you concluded that the Sikh Jats can be part of this site and not Muslim Jats. The grounds on which you were talking are absolutely illogical and baseless.
jumping evry now nd then on every 2nd thread with one id or other, speak volumes abt yr evolution frm homo-sapiens to Chipanzi... pls carry on nd forget abt sanity or intellectuality... they are beyond the realms of yr fantasies. also, dont walk or draw a line... keep jumping on yr branches... it makes more sense to you.

i n'vr concluded on any thing, i just opined on my outlook, rest is evident frm the poll results... go start another thread on whether to include mollads on JL nd see yr responses >>> "pare ne marr"

btw did you learnt anything during this month by tapping on yr keyboard. kuchh compooter pe haath maarna seekha ak naa ?

[sachinb]

parre ne tu mar le ne:D ek ghante mein ye chaar line likhi gayi,,,,,,kampoooter pe haath maarna tu seekh le,,,,,,,,,,,,

jonsi mail tu Kkote karan laag rhyaa se jab tere samajh mein nahi aati to kyun uchhalle se,,,,,,,,,this is my way of writing a thing and this is my way of conveying a message to aam aadmi like you:D

you keep writing with you SANE mind who stops you,,,,,,and listen its people like you who make nakli id,,,,,vo jisne tu kah se Ashish Malik(mera khaas yaar se Meerut te) ne ib kah dyunga ke teraa ke laagge se

You people have no guts the moment a person gives different oppinion you take it personally and challenge to your authority.

I also know that now you will take shelter of the Moderators. Why you poked your nose when i was writing something,,,,,,,


jumping evry now nd then on every 2nd thread with one id or other, speak volumes abt yr evolution frm homo-sapiens to Chipanzi... pls carry on nd forget abt sanity or intellectuality... they are beyond the realms of yr fantasies. also, dont walk or draw a line... keep jumping on yr branches... it makes more sense to you.

i n'vr concluded on any thing, i just opined on my outlook, rest is evident frm the poll results... go start another thread on whether to include mollads on JL nd see yr responses >>> "pare ne marr"

btw did you learnt anything during this month by tapping on yr keyboard. kuchh compooter pe haath maarna seekha ak naa ?

[mhundpuriamann]

tej beer bhaee,
i think u r trpping me :p , i am simply saying that most of our forefathers got mixed ! now jats are like a garden with different type of flowers , i am just comparing which flower is in closest resemblence with original once. that's it.

and when i compare my self i found very close to the original once, and when i compare u , u r just carbon copy of original once , we (as a jat ) are proud of jats like u (at least from appearance :p ) .





Sir jee,
I think you misunderstood my question.
I asked whether you are a complete jat or not in reference to your statements marked in red below.Either i am confused or else I find your statements highly contradicting.

Your so Called Kunbaa belongs to same forefathers but still as you say that you a Complete jat while few in your Kunbaa are incomplete jats.
Any idea How and why it happened??

P.S :- Sorry for going off topic.

[mhundpuriamann]

arre kheench ke le Gohana Tehsil aale:rock,,,,,you are true Jat,,,,,,duniyaa ki parvaah na karre,,,,,haade ghane angrej basse se

thax man ! thanx for this encouragement ! :)

[aryasatyadev]

Jitender Bhai pls read the story and description of a mula jat at
http://www.countercurrents.org/ipk-sikand271006.htm

for their religious status
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jats#Religion

I once read in a book on Jat History (May be by Dr. Dabas or anybody else, I am not remembering), many hindus were converted to Islam during the time of Moghuls, as they were not accepted by any other community, they prefer to call themselves as Jats. and Hindus called them Mula Jats... they were not the same as Hindu Jats.... It was a like some chirstian missionary coming to some village and converting some people (sply from downtrodden communities).. in the same way some Islamic communities converted Hindu people to Islam..... but were different.... (Here be clear that the Jats were considered as backward people at that time)..... hence no trueblooded Jat has ever established any marital relationships with them.... same was the case when some of these Muslims converted to Hinduism in 1947......

Rakesh bhai aapne kafi aacha likha apni post mein. Lekin kuchek sawal hein dimag mein kripya parkash dalna.

As far as Sikh Jatts are concerned though they might consider themselves different but its clear that they were Hindu Jats only earlier. Unke sath riste bhi hon hein apne er as far as I know there are some Jatts also on this site.

But when it comes for Muslim Jats. Who were they? Were they originally Hindu Jats but turned to Muslims during time of aurangjeb? How they are similar to us in present scenerio thoughts/rahen sehan/manyataen? I have read that in our area also muslims tortured our ancestors ... were these Jat muslims were the same who did to us? E.g. Kalaunaur kolla poojan .... etc. Is there any forum of these muslim jats too? What is their opinion about we other religion jats?

[amritkharb]

Jitender Bhai pls read the story and description of a mula jat at
http://www.countercurrents.org/ipk-sikand271006.htm

for their religious status
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jats#Religion

I once read in a book on Jat History (May be by Dr. Dabas or anybody else, I am not remembering), many hindus were converted to Islam during the time of Moghuls, as they were not accepted by any other community, they prefer to call themselves as Jats. and Hindus called them Mula Jats... they were not the same as Hindu Jats.... It was a like some chirstian missionary coming to some village and converting some people (sply from downtrodden communities).. in the same way some Islamic communities converted Hindu people to Islam..... but were different.... (Here be clear that the Jats were considered as backward people at that time)..... hence no trueblooded Jat has ever established any marital relationships with them.... same was the case when some of these Muslims converted to Hinduism in 1947......

par kisse member ne likha hae ki jatland par mulla jat bhi haeen?

[snandal1]

Tewatia ji,Namaskar,
today only i posted some points related with jat is a race or a cast in history section.if it is a race than thier should not be any discrmination among jats.We should keep in mind that dharma will not be disscussed.
Sikhs are part of vedic dharma only and befor Guru Gobind Singhji they ware known as Nanakpanthies.We must go for it.


dono murkh the. itthe onu jat ukkh ditta te utthe jutt ukkh ditta.

[navdeepbudhwar]

dono murkh the. itthe onu jat ukkh ditta te utthe jutt ukkh ditta.
tussi sahi aakheyaa.......aee sb kuch oona karke hi hoyaa hai......

[snandal1]

do not allow sikh jats and especially do not allow muslim jats kyonke woh ab jat rahee hae nahee itne hundreds of years dusre muslmannon ke saath vivah racha kar. aapne khud to vote he naheen kiya?

in my opinion they are restricting themselves in this regard more than hindu jats.

[snandal1]

in india meo may forget the jat rule of marriage, but pakistani jat till today has it by heart. jat sikud ke rah gaya in chhoti moti deewaron me. jahan koi dharam tha ya nahin tha chhoturam ka, asoka ka, in jat mahatmaon ka, vahan ye jat jinawar apni chhoti moti harquton me sikud kar rah gaya.

[snandal1]

Jitender Bhai pls read the story and description of a mula jat at
http://www.countercurrents.org/ipk-sikand271006.htm

for their religious status
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jats#Religion

I once read in a book on Jat History (May be by Dr. Dabas or anybody else, I am not remembering), many hindus were converted to Islam during the time of Moghuls, as they were not accepted by any other community, they prefer to call themselves as Jats. and Hindus called them Mula Jats... they were not the same as Hindu Jats.... It was a like some chirstian missionary coming to some village and converting some people (sply from downtrodden communities).. in the same way some Islamic communities converted Hindu people to Islam..... but were different.... (Here be clear that the Jats were considered as backward people at that time)..... hence no trueblooded Jat has ever established any marital relationships with them.... same was the case when some of these Muslims converted to Hinduism in 1947......


this jitender, the hooda, looks to be too weak in history. he does not know chhoturam, nahar singh even...

[snandal1]

it was dahir the brahmin, who made jats in sindh as sc, n even more than that. n not even dahir, jat himself made in sindh like that what he desreved. jat made krisna as sc in gujrat. n jat is making himself more than that, in his own land.

it was rather a muslim who emancipated jats from the clutches of a brahmin in 712 ad. these budhist jats.

till today even theses hindu jats dont eat non veg. muslim jat started after 712 ad. sardar started after guru gobind singh. rest all nine gurus were vegetarian.

[snandal1]

jitender, the hooda sahib, jat ko jat jat ne hi mara, auron me kahan dum tha, kishti hamari vahan dubi jahan paani kum tha

[snandal1]

jats memories were wonderfully short, what was in store for them after mandal commission? after obc? reservation. but it was said by allexander the great, that jats memories are wonderfully short what was in store for them after defeat? n no one else but jat himself does not realise this situation...jab tak suraj chand rahe ga ye jat kabhi dilli/sindh/.....ko rule karne laik nahin hoga....delhi, up, harayana ...all...is a dismal performance....in these electipons... sikh n rajasthan jats performed better...

[mann123]

Who told you that Guru Gobind Singh started non veg?? I think you are mistaken or may be read something else. Alcohol and non vegetarian is strictly prohibited in Sikhism. It was special circumstances when the non veg was taken by Guru Gobind Singh jee's army and that rules is still applicable all over the world it is irrelevant to mention religion in this. Being commandor he did what he was supposed to do to save his army.





till today even theses hindu jats dont eat non veg. muslim jat started after 712 ad. sardar started after guru gobind singh. rest all nine gurus were vegetarian.

[mann123]

Why did you forget Haryana? without Jats no one can rule this state either congress or any other party CM would be a Jat.



jats memories were wonderfully short, what was in store for them after mandal commission? after obc? reservation. but it was said by allexander the great, that jats memories are wonderfully short what was in store for them after defeat? n no one else but jat himself does not realise this situation...jab tak suraj chand rahe ga ye jat kabhi dilli/sindh/.....ko rule karne laik nahin hoga....delhi, up, harayana ...all...is a dismal performance....in these electipons... sikh n rajasthan jats performed better...

[SANDEEP5]

bhai hindu musalmaan sikh n chhoda ekle haryana ke jat hone chahiye is site pe , Up aale Bhaiya ... rajasthan ke bhaya ka aade k kaam ....aan dyo eb pura kshterwaad :boxing:rock
baantna a s to pher aachhi tarah se baanto jatt ne...jitna baantega utna badega jatt
oh chhore gurdaaas mann ....maan gaye bhai , kheench de meter sa...:rock:rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYLgB_6k0rc&feature=PlayList&p=15AB4E8E406B5030&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=46


Have you ever think once before writing this post that what are you writing ? Pahle tolo fir bolo..... Upar jo maine highlighted kiya hai uske baare me ek baar aur soch lo..... Kya tumhe pata hai ki UP aale bhaiya kinhe kahte hain. UP aale bhaiya eastern UP me rahne wale aur bihari ko kaha jata hai. aur UP aale bhaiya bhi vahan ke brahamin and yadav hi hote hain. JAATO ko bhaiya nahi baola jata hai unhe sirf JAT hi kaha jata hai. Agar kisi baat ke bare me G.K. kamjor ho to us baare me badh chadh kar nahi bolna chahiye..... and mind it for future also that think at least twice when you say or write something in an open forum.......

[navdeepbudhwar]

Have you ever think once before writing this post that what are you writing ? Pahle tolo fir bolo..... Upar jo maine highlighted kiya hai uske baare me ek baar aur soch lo..... Kya tumhe pata hai ki UP aale bhaiya kinhe kahte hain. UP aale bhaiya eastern UP me rahne wale aur bihari ko kaha jata hai. aur UP aale bhaiya bhi vahan ke brahamin and yadav hi hote hain. JAATO ko bhaiya nahi baola jata hai unhe sirf JAT hi kaha jata hai. Agar kisi baat ke bare me G.K. kamjor ho to us baare me badh chadh kar nahi bolna chahiye..... and mind it for future also that think at least twice when you say or write something in an open forum.......


sandeep ji ye ho kya raha hai ....ajj ke tym mai jaat jaat ka nahi raha......sabhi ek dusre se katne lg gayee...
maine JL jb join kiya tha tb mujhe laga ke JL vo jagah hai jaha sabhi jaat mil kr rehte hai mauj masti karte hai,,,n ek dusre ki problems discuss karte hai...bt aaj ravinder sura ka post dekh kr i ws shoked....
haryane ka jaat U.P ke jaat ko bhaiyaa keh raha hai....
apne aap ko supirior samajh raha hai....

[brahmtewatia]

Have you ever think once before writing this post that what are you writing ? Pahle tolo fir bolo..... Upar jo maine highlighted kiya hai uske baare me ek baar aur soch lo..... Kya tumhe pata hai ki UP aale bhaiya kinhe kahte hain. UP aale bhaiya eastern UP me rahne wale aur bihari ko kaha jata hai. aur UP aale bhaiya bhi vahan ke brahamin and yadav hi hote hain. JAATO ko bhaiya nahi baola jata hai unhe sirf JAT hi kaha jata hai. Agar kisi baat ke bare me G.K. kamjor ho to us baare me badh chadh kar nahi bolna chahiye..... and mind it for future also that think at least twice when you say or write something in an open forum.......


sandeep ji ye ho kya raha hai ....ajj ke tym mai jaat jaat ka nahi raha......sabhi ek dusre se katne lg gayee...
maine JL jb join kiya tha tb mujhe laga ke JL vo jagah hai jaha sabhi jaat mil kr rehte hai mauj masti karte hai,,,n ek dusre ki problems discuss karte hai...bt aaj ravinder sura ka post dekh kr i ws shoked....
haryane ka jaat U.P ke jaat ko bhaiyaa keh raha hai....
apne aap ko supirior samajh raha hai....
sandeep/navdeep,

i guess you misunderstood the post of ravinder sura... it was just a sarcasm. he is/was never in favour of any JAT division on any grounds. check his vote in the poll nd his following post
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http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=212751&postcount=49

take it easy bro... i guess his words/intentions carry no malice for up or rajasthani JAT's.

[navdeepbudhwar]

sandeep/navdeep,

i guess you misunderstood the post of ravinder sura... it was just a sarcasm. he is/was never in favour of any JAT division on any grounds. check his vote in the poll nd his following post
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http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=212751&postcount=49

take it easy bro... i guess his words/intentions carry no malice for up or rajasthani JAT's.

thanx bhram ji for reedirecting us.........and sorry RAVINDER SURA bhai

[amritkharb]

kya sikh jat aur muslmaan jat iss web site ke parwaah kartee haeeb bhi?
Aur Kya hindu jat bhi care karte haeen iss web site ki saare biradari mein iss web site ki jikar chal rahee haee.? Ki gaaon gaoon mein charcha ho rahee hae iss web site ki? Koi care naheen karta iss web site ki sirf kuch log jo yaaahn par khaali peeli time pass karne aate haeen inlcuding me to be honest.
Jab muslim jat turk se, arab see, pathan see shaadi kar chukee haeen too woh jat bhi nahee raah gayee haeen. Saadiyaan beet chuki haen unko turk, arab , patahnoon se rishataa bhaande hue.
Aur ab too sardar jat bhi khatri see, chuudee sardaroon see shaadi kar chukee haeen.

[yogisanga]

kya sikh jat aur muslmaan jat iss web site ke parwaah kartee haeeb bhi?
Aur Kya hindu jat bhi care karte haeen iss web site ki saare biradari mein iss web site ki jikar chal rahee haee.? Ki gaaon gaoon mein charcha ho rahee hae iss web site ki? Koi care naheen karta iss web site ki sirf kuch log jo yaaahn par khaali peeli time pass karne aate haeen inlcuding me to be honest.
Jab muslim jat turk se, arab see, pathan see shaadi kar chukee haeen too woh jat bhi nahee raah gayee haeen. Saadiyaan beet chuki haen unko turk, arab , patahnoon se rishataa bhaande hue.
Aur ab too sardar jat bhi khatri see, chuudee sardaroon see shaadi kar chukee haeen.
amrit tu marriage matrimonial khol reha hai k unki ya unki barata mei band bajaw s ...kham kha likh s.......bhai tu unki jinta na jatland k loga n tuo tere upper shak s uss n dur ker de bus aur tu chinta na ker................

[snandal1]

Who told you that Guru Gobind Singh started non veg?? I think you are mistaken or may be read something else. Alcohol and non vegetarian is strictly prohibited in Sikhism. It was special circumstances when the non veg was taken by Guru Gobind Singh jee's army and that rules is still applicable all over the world it is irrelevant to mention religion in this. Being commandor he did what he was supposed to do to save his army.

these 5k's-kesh, kaccha, kripan, kada, panchva mai bhool gaya were started by guru gobind singh only. ....can u complete this fifth? after that only I'll discuss with u about sikh jats.

[navdeepbudhwar]

these 5k's-kesh, kaccha, kripan, kada, panchva mai bhool gaya were started by guru gobind singh only. ....can u complete this fifth? after that only I'll discuss with u about sikh jats.



Soo simple the fifth one was Kaangha(the comb)

[VivekGathwala]

these 5k's-kesh, kaccha, kripan, kada, panchva mai bhool gaya were started by guru gobind singh only. ....can u complete this fifth? after that only I'll discuss with u about sikh jats.


5 kakee.. was started by guru gobind singh

1,KESH .....
2,KACCHA
3 KRIPAN
4 KADA
5KANGHA

[amiteshv]

yes, truly good knowledge. once gobind singh was surrounded by moghul army. there army cut off their rasad, means khana pina...there guru ordred that instead of surrendering to moghuls u resort to non-veg. kabooter mile, chuha mile...kuchh bhi mile khao...lekin in moghul ke haath mat aao. ...


till today Jats feel that all muslims are moghuls...that way muslim jat can also think that all hindus were raja dahir of sindh...from whose clutches...muhammad bin quasim rescued them in sindh....

arre jato, gujjaron se kuchh seekho...yadi dharam badal gaya hai to tumhara khoon thode hi badal gaya hai...yaad karo jab ek advocate Barquat Ali bhagat singh pairvi karne aaya tha. yaad karo jab tumhar asoka ne budhha ko apnaya tha to asoka ka kya khoon badal gaya tha?


khoon ek hai.....aur jo rozi roti aaj khate ho vo khoon me hi jati hai...dharam jat ka sub se bada dusman hai...aarre kub tuk banton ge is naam par...all my blood brothers u must unite...abhi nahin to kabhi nahin...

mausm beeta jaye...

vaqt ki har shay ghulam....

5000 saal ka vaqt ganvan chuko ho tum jat....


I cursed many people, brahmins, britisher, moghul, rajput...bania....n what not....


but later remembered kabir....

bura jo dekhan me chala, bura na miliya koye...jo ..dil khoja aapna ...mujh se bura na koye....

[amiteshv]

aaj is jatland site pe OBC jat ki baat karte hain to sub se pahle yahin ke padhe likhe jat oppose karte hain, particulary vo jo india se bahar baithe hain. aur thus 10 non-jat jo jat bane bithe hain yahan pe vo un ka saath dete hain. lekin ye foregner jat jub australia me indian kut te hain to choon bhi nahin karte, jahan 50 indian kute vahan ek jat bhi kuta hoga australia me. unhen fight back ka updesh bhi nahin dete....vah re jat vah....

[amiteshv]

ye jatland ki site gawah hai, ki jo reasons jaton me hazaron saal se vidyaman the vo aaj bhi hain. aur isi liye jat dheere dheere sisak sisk kar apni hi maut mar raha hai...aur marta hi rahega...jai ho....jat...jai ho...

divided u stand and united u fall...vah bahi vah...the reverse trend always...

[aryasatyadev]

Amit, badi ojasvi baaten hain mere bhai....... par kya koi bhi jaat (Including you) muslim Jats ko barabar ka darja dene ke liye tayyar hai...... is SITE ki baat chhodo.... kya ham unhe apne ghar me barabar ka darja de sakte hain....... kya ham roti beti ka naata bana sakte hain.......
Bhai.... main to nahin bana sakta..... isme beshak aap ye kahen ji Bharat se bahar baiteh jat alag bolte hain........ par agar Bharat me apne bhaiyon/bahno se poochhoge to socho unka javab kya hoga.....

[mann123]

Bhai 5K's to public pe bujjee se aur ke batawega


these 5k's-kesh, kaccha, kripan, kada, panchva mai bhool gaya were started by guru gobind singh only. ....can u complete this fifth? after that only I'll discuss with u about sikh jats.

[navdeepbudhwar]

Bhai 5K's to public pe bujjee se aur ke batawega
ib to maine bta diyaa 5k's ke baare mai ibb to btaa dooooooooo

[navdeepbudhwar]

balyan kitne fand kar le pehlwan tera sabe bera h tu ban hoye pache bhi nahi mana tha ar eb bhi nahi manee ...kade ashish malik k naam t aa ya kise k ..nakli t nakli ho s
ar ek baat or ....kitna hi hanga la liye eb ....


apne vikas purush n UP ka cm bana ya ladle sansad n PRIME MINISTER

BHONKEEE JA EB



bhai we are not here to fight we are here to decide weather to allow sikh and muslim jats or not....

[VivekGathwala]

bhai we are not here to fight we are here to decide weather to allow sikh and muslim jats or not....

koina bhai budhwar ...................nakli n nakli keh de to kime na fark padta

eb muslim n lyoo ya sikh n koi aave

par nakliyaaan t bach k rahoo pehli ar akhri baat

[navdeepbudhwar]

koina bhai budhwar ...................nakli n nakli keh de to kime na fark padta

eb muslim n lyoo ya sikh n koi aave

par nakliyaaan t bach k rahoo pehli ar akhri baat

koinaa bhai aage the dhyam rakhengee....
nakli aadmi ke to dhore bhi nai lagenge.......
sahi baat bach ke rehna chaiyee inte too???

[raka]

Rakesh bhai aapne kafi aacha likha apni post mein. Lekin kuchek sawal hein dimag mein kripya parkash dalna.

As far as Sikh Jatts are concerned though they might consider themselves different but its clear that they were Hindu Jats only earlier. Unke sath riste bhi hon hein apne er as far as I know there are some Jatts also on this site.

But when it comes for Muslim Jats. Who were they? Were they originally Hindu Jats but turned to Muslims during time of aurangjeb? How they are similar to us in present scenerio thoughts/rahen sehan/manyataen? I have read that in our area also muslims tortured our ancestors ... were these Jat muslims were the same who did to us? E.g. Kalaunaur kolla poojan .... etc. Is there any forum of these muslim jats too? What is their opinion about we other religion jats?
jitender bhai isliye to m kahta hu ki unko bhi is site pe aana chahiye taki unke bare me hume pata chal sake . m khud birana padaya gyaan le rya su . agar muslim jat khud aake batae to achha s .

[sandeepsolanki]

Well...My DEAR FRIENDS......Sikhism is not a religion...its a sect of hindu religion so no question arises of disallowing them...As far as muslim jats are concerned, we must allow them as they are jats also though practising different traditions, customs....this will help us to understand them better....JAT IS A RACE.....IT IS NOT A CASTE....

JAT BALWAN JAI BHAGWAN

THANKS

[navdeepbudhwar]

Well...My DEAR FRIENDS......Sikhism is not a religion...its a sect of hindu religion so no question arises of disallowing them...As far as muslim jats are concerned, we must allow them as they are jats also though practising different traditions, customs....this will help us to understand them better....JAT IS A RACE.....IT IS NOT A CASTE....

JAT BALWAN JAI BHAGWAN

THANKS
ya i agree with you sandeep sahab.........
jaat should be considered a race not a caste....
so we must allow both of them.........

[amiteshv]

Amit, badi ojasvi baaten hain mere bhai....... par kya koi bhi jaat (Including you) muslim Jats ko barabar ka darja dene ke liye tayyar hai...... is SITE ki baat chhodo.... kya ham unhe apne ghar me barabar ka darja de sakte hain....... kya ham roti beti ka naata bana sakte hain.......
Bhai.... main to nahin bana sakta..... isme beshak aap ye kahen ji Bharat se bahar baiteh jat alag bolte hain........ par agar Bharat me apne bhaiyon/bahno se poochhoge to socho unka javab kya hoga.....

bhai dharmender, aur kuldeep bishnoi, musalmanan te pakka nata jod chuke hai.aur ek tharre punjab ki jatni ne va koi ghazi malik te koi ilbari turk se nata joda tha aur vo jatni is tughlak empire ko one of the greatest empire of the world bana gayi. there are four greatest geographical empires in india 1) asoka 2)tughlak 3)aurangzeb 4) mordern india. in the first two jats have a contribution. in the next two u plz tell me wat contribution jats have got hw much +ve nd hw much -ve.
our regards to ur remarks. there is one greatest jat institution who welcomed all jat mps but disregarded sikh jat mps.

[Samarkadian]

This experiment would be a disaster if we would allow ( hypotheticaly) every Jat Sikh or every Muslim Jat to participate at JL. We need to mind the point that though we have one common genes but linguisticaly we are poles apart.

Yes, intellectuals, mature personalities, professors, historians from Sikh and Muslim jats could be made members as in first step. They could be helpful in dissolving certain initial barriers which common members won't. Senior members like Laxman Ji, Ravi Ji and few others would be taking care of them in case they join. Question: Would these(Muslim &Sikh) guys be considerate enough about joining?

They should be allowed if we ( collectively) are curious enough to learn and interact with our cousins and would prove to be ''good guests''[?]. Its we who need them, may not be vice versa , unless we discover this.

They should not be allowed if we don't want to expand our limited knoweledge and happy with illuminated egos.

My Chavnni.

[jitendershooda]

My Chavnni.

:) Samar ya teri chavvani khari lagi bhai.

[dkumars]

Well...My DEAR FRIENDS......Sikhism is not a religion...its a sect of hindu religion so no question arises of disallowing them...As far as muslim jats are concerned, we must allow them as they are jats also though practising different traditions, customs....this will help us to understand them better....JAT IS A RACE.....IT IS NOT A CASTE....

JAT BALWAN JAI BHAGWAN

THANKS


ya i agree with you sandeep sahab.........
jaat should be considered a race not a caste....
so we must allow both of them.........


Race ... hmmm nope ... Jat is a marathon:rock

[kapdal]

It is a bad idea.

[aryasatyadev]

Samar Bhai, you are right it is we who have started this thread and want that they should join this website...... but will they????
No and a strong no...... I am working with one Pakistani Malik fellow and whenever I talk with him on our common history he denies the fact and says that they (Pakistani Jats) are more advanced and that Indian Jats are backward and illitrate race.... and this is from a very learned and mature Muslim Jat (so called)...

So do you think that professors etc. will join this site and will not spread haterd among us Hindus..... ?????
Think over it..

[navdeepbudhwar]

Samar Bhai, you are right it is we who have started this thread and want that they should join this website...... but will they????
No and a strong no...... I am working with one Pakistani Malik fellow and whenever I talk with him on our common history he denies the fact and says that they (Pakistani Jats) are more advanced and that Indian Jats are backward and illitrate race.... and this is from a very learned and mature Muslim Jat (so called)...

So do you think that professors etc. will join this site and will not spread haterd among us Hindus..... ?????
Think over it..


haan ji........bilkul sahi.......professors etc. will join this site and will not spread haterd among us .....

[aryasatyadev]

Navdeep be more specific what you think will they or won't they spread haterd among Hindu Jats???

haan ji........bilkul sahi.......professors etc. will join this site and will not spread haterd among us .....

[indian4529]

भाई लोगों राम राम मै एक् सिख जाट हूं और काफी समय से इस साइट पर बना हुआ हूं और मै जाट्लैंड पर पोस्ट भी करता रहा हूं पर मुझे अभी तक किसी ने मना भी नही किया है और मैने तो अपनी फोटो भी अप्लोड कर रखी है मुझे नही लगता कि अधिक लोगों की ऐसी राय है कि कोई गैर हिन्दू जाट इस साइट पर ना आये अगर ऐसा होता तो मै कब का बैन कर दिया गया होता मै आप लोगों के ज्ञान वर्धक विचारों को पड्ता हूं और जाट्लैंड पर नाज करता हूं
रही बात कल्चर की तो मुझे तो कोई बहुत बडा फरक दिखाई नही देता या फिर मै ही नही देख पा रहा हूं क्योकी मैने पुलिस ट्रैनिंग कालेज मधुबन(हरियाना करनाल) मे 1983 मे ट्रैनिंग की थी मैने अपने को कभी अलग नही पाया इस लिये भी मेरा आप लोगों और इस साइट से जुडाव बना हुआ है
वैसे पुराने लोग कहते है कि बोली/ भाषा और रीत रिवाज़ तो हर पांच कोस पर बदल जाते है तो भाइयो अगर हमें अपने से अलग किसी कल्चर या रहन सहन के दोस्त मिल जाये तो हमार दायरा ही बढेगा और आज मै जब भी हरियाणे से हो कर जाता हूं तो मेरे दोस्त मुझे जरूर मिल्ते है चाहे वह कितने भी व्यस्त हो या मुझे कितनी भी जल्दी हो तो मुझे तो मेरे दोस्तो पर गर्व है मै इस साइट से अलग नही होना चाहता पर यदी इस साइट का कानून जो होगा उसका पालन करते हुये मै साइट छोड़ दूंगा (पर अफ्सोस के साथ)
:rock
with regards
Amrik Singh Brar

[indian4529]

भाई लोगों राम राम मै एक् सिख जाट हूं और काफी समय से इस साइट पर बना हुआ हूं और मै जाट्लैंड पर पोस्ट भी करता रहा हूं पर मुझे अभी तक किसी ने मना भी नही किया है और मैने तो अपनी फोटो भी अप्लोड कर रखी है मुझे नही लगता कि अधिक लोगों की ऐसी राय है कि कोई गैर हिन्दू जाट इस साइट पर ना आये अगर ऐसा होता तो मै कब का बैन कर दिया गया होता मै आप लोगों के ज्ञान वर्धक विचारों को पड्ता हूं और जाट्लैंड पर नाज करता हूं
रही बात कल्चर की तो मुझे तो कोई बहुत बडा फरक दिखाई नही देता या फिर मै ही नही देख पा रहा हूं क्योकी मैने पुलिस ट्रैनिंग कालेज मधुबन(हरियाना करनाल) मे 1983 मे ट्रैनिंग की थी मैने अपने को कभी अलग नही पाया इस लिये भी मेरा आप लोगों और इस साइट से जुडाव बना हुआ है
वैसे पुराने लोग कहते है कि बोली/ भाषा और रीत रिवाज़ तो हर पांच कोस पर बदल जाते है तो भाइयो अगर हमें अपने से अलग किसी कल्चर या रहन सहन के दोस्त मिल जाये तो हमार दायरा ही बढेगा और आज मै जब भी हरियाणे से हो कर जाता हूं तो मेरे दोस्त मुझे जरूर मिल्ते है चाहे वह कितने भी व्यस्त हो या मुझे कितनी भी जल्दी हो तो मुझे तो मेरे दोस्तो पर गर्व है मै इस साइट से अलग नही होना चाहता पर यदी इस साइट का कानून जो होगा उसका पालन करते हुये मै साइट छोड़ दूंगा (पर अफ्सोस के साथ)

[VPannu]

यदी इस साइट का कानून जो होगा उसका पालन करते हुये मै साइट छोड़ दूंगा (पर अफ्सोस के साथ)पाह्जी सत् श्री अकाल ! तुस्सी न जाओ , जे तुस्सी गए ते तुहाडे नाल १-२ बन्दे होर बैन ले लेन गे (incl me) ! main moderator hota te is thread ne hi uddaa deta ab se pahle

[jagmohan]

Dear Brar Bhai,

You are a JAT. Period. That's it. No more dilemma. This is your home. You are in your own home. I shall be the last person to ask you to leave. It is not in our blood to ask a guest to leave. And you are not a guest but a brother.

Historically, enough time has been wasted and we have remained divided. It is high time we closed ranks. Let us have different language, dialect, customs and traditions, but the blood is one. Our forefathers have fought and killed for a common cause and that was to be allowed to live the way we want to live. Nothing more - nothing less.

Let us continue to live the way we want to live and spread the word that all JATS are ONE.

Regards,

JS Malik

[raka]

भाई लोगों राम राम मै एक् सिख जाट हूं और काफी समय से इस साइट पर बना हुआ हूं और मै जाट्लैंड पर पोस्ट भी करता रहा हूं पर मुझे अभी तक किसी ने मना भी नही किया है और मैने तो अपनी फोटो भी अप्लोड कर रखी है मुझे नही लगता कि अधिक लोगों की ऐसी राय है कि कोई गैर हिन्दू जाट इस साइट पर ना आये अगर ऐसा होता तो मै कब का बैन कर दिया गया होता मै आप लोगों के ज्ञान वर्धक विचारों को पड्ता हूं और जाट्लैंड पर नाज करता हूं
रही बात कल्चर की तो मुझे तो कोई बहुत बडा फरक दिखाई नही देता या फिर मै ही नही देख पा रहा हूं क्योकी मैने पुलिस ट्रैनिंग कालेज मधुबन(हरियाना करनाल) मे 1983 मे ट्रैनिंग की थी मैने अपने को कभी अलग नही पाया इस लिये भी मेरा आप लोगों और इस साइट से जुडाव बना हुआ है
वैसे पुराने लोग कहते है कि बोली/ भाषा और रीत रिवाज़ तो हर पांच कोस पर बदल जाते है तो भाइयो अगर हमें अपने से अलग किसी कल्चर या रहन सहन के दोस्त मिल जाये तो हमार दायरा ही बढेगा और आज मै जब भी हरियाणे से हो कर जाता हूं तो मेरे दोस्त मुझे जरूर मिल्ते है चाहे वह कितने भी व्यस्त हो या मुझे कितनी भी जल्दी हो तो मुझे तो मेरे दोस्तो पर गर्व है मै इस साइट से अलग नही होना चाहता पर यदी इस साइट का कानून जो होगा उसका पालन करते हुये मै साइट छोड़ दूंगा (पर अफ्सोस के साथ)
वीर जी " जी आया नु " जे तुसी लोकी इंज छढ के जाण लग पए ता किवें काम चलूँगा , अपनी कोम पहलया ही गुमराह हैं तुहाडे वर्गे बड़े श्याने इस साईट ते आन्के अपने इन पाइया नु दसन्गे ताहि ता इन्हाणु पता लागुगा के अपना खून इको हैगा अपनी सोच इको हैगी , मजहब बदलन तो खून नहीं बदलदा |
मैं 1977 से लेकर 1997 तक जम्मू व पंजाब चंडीगढ़ में रहा हु | हरियाणा में मैंने 1997 से रहना शुरू किया था | मेरे ज्यादा तर मित्तर प्यारे सिख जाट थे ,हैं भी | उनसे मित्तरता होना भी सव्भाविक थी क्योकि हमारी सोच विचार आपस में मिलते हैं | मेरे मन में कभी भी ये फरक नहीं आया के ये सिख हैं मैं हिन्दू हु जबकि उस वक़्त तो वहा उगर्वाद अपनी चरम सीमा पर था | इन् भाप्पो ने उस लडाई को हिन्दू सिख की लडाई का रूप दे दिया था | कभी मैं भिन्द्रेवाला के खिलाफ कुछ कहता था तो मेरे सिख जट्ट दोस्त मुझे कहते थे की " सांगवान एह लडाई अपनी जट्टा दी आपस विच नहीं हैगी एह ता इन भाप्प्या ते पंडिता ते विरूद्व हैगी , संतजी अपने जट्ट पाई हैं | मुझे अब समझ आती हैं संत जी की लडाई कितनी सही थी पर उसको रूप दूसरा दे दिया | ( इन्ही भाप्पो के खिलाफ चौ.छोटूराम जी बोलते थे की " या तो पंजाब में जट्ट घखड़ रहेंगे या ये अरोरा खत्री रहेंगे " बोलना सीख ले और दूसरा दुश्मन को पहचानना सीख ले वाली तकबीर में मेरे अब समझ आता हैं की चौ का दुश्मन वाला इशारा किस तरफ था )
1993 से पहले तक मुझे जाट इतिहास के बारे में कुछ भी ज्ञान नहीं था | एक बार हॉस्टल में एक बेरी के पंडित और भिवानी के राजपूत की आपस में ठन रही थी मैं बीच में राजपूत की तरफ बोल पड़ा ,| तो वो पंडित बोल्या "छाज तो बोले छालनी भी के बोले '" , बोल्या तुमारा इतिहास के स ताहरा कोई राजा का नाम ही बता दे | मुझे सिर्फ दो का नाम पता था माहराजा सूरजमल सिंसिंवाल व माहराजा रणजीत सिंह सांसी | इस पर वो पंडित बोला रणजीत तुमारा कब से हो गया यो तो सरदार हैं | मैंने कहा हैं तो जट्ट तो वो बोला क्यों बेगाने राजाओ को अपना बनाते हो अगर वो जाट हैं तो हॉस्टल में किसी सीख से हाँ भरवा दे | अब मन में शंका मेरे भी हो गई | मेरे दो सीख जाट मित्तर थे हॉस्टल में एक जसजीत गिल लुधियाना (मोर मंडी) से व दूसरा गुरप्रीत बरार फरीदकोट से | मैंने हिम्मत सी करके उनसे पूछा के भाई यो पंडित कह रहा हैं की तुम लोग अलग हो , राजा रंजित सिंह जाट नहीं सरदार था | इस पर जस्सी ने उस पंडित को पूरा इतिहास सुना दिया बोला पंडित ये तुम्हारी सोच हैं हम अलग हैं , हमे सरदार तुम जैसे पंडितो की रक्षा के लिए बनना पड़ा था | हम पहले जट्ट भाई हैं | और गुरप्रीत बरार के पास तो दलीप सिंह अहलावत की किताब थी | मुझे किताब देखकर बड़ा ताजुब हुआ , मैंने उससे पूछा तो उसने बताया के उसके दादा ने दी थी उसे | उस दिन मैं जस्सी व बरार का कायल हो गया और उस दिन के बाद मैंने जाट हिस्ट्री की काफी किताबे पढ़ी | उस दिन मुझे ज्ञान हुआ की हम जाट इन पडितो के दुष्प्रचार के किस हद तक शिकार हुए हैं |
आपलोगों को शायद याद हो एक बार बीजेपी सरकार जब 13 दिन व 13 महीने के राज के बाद दुबारा आई थी तो विज्ञान भवन दिल्ली में एक सेमीनार चल रहा था , जिसमे वाजपेयी के एक तरफ तो चौटाला साहब बैठे थे व दूसरी ओर बादल साहब बैठे थे | जब चौटाला साहब की बारी आई भाषण देने की तो उन्होंने अपना भाषण इस प्रकार शुरू किया की " वाजपेयी साहब अब आपको डरने की जरुरत नहीं , अब आपकी कुर्सी को कोई नहीं हिला सकता क्योकि अब आपके दोनों दाये व बाये तरफ दो बादल व चौटाला नाम के जाट बैठे हैं " | अगर सिख जाट हमे अलग मानते तो चौटाला साहब की इस टिपण्णी पर बादल साहब ऐतराज जरुर जताते ओर न ही चौटाला साहब ऐसी टिपण्णी देते |
भाइयो पहले अपने लोगो के बारे में पूरा ज्ञान लो उसके बाद कोई निर्णय लो |

[navdeepbudhwar]

vaise bhi hm log sardar dara singh randhawa ka naam lete hue to bahut fakr mehsus karte hai.........aur to aur ek thread mai unki kitni badai bhi ki kai sajjano ne.........fir ab jat sikh's ko allow na karne ka to koi sawal hi paida nai hota

[rajivsp]

पाह्जी सत् श्री अकाल ! तुस्सी न जाओ , जे तुस्सी गए ते तुहाडे नाल १-२ बन्दे होर बैन ले लेन गे (incl me) ! main moderator hota te is thread ne hi uddaa deta ab se pahle

Right, when Brar saab pahle se hi yahan vidyman hain, tho there is no sense of asking should we allow or not. Brahm saab ka ek aur Bhram.

Swami Vivekananda says that Buddhists, Sikhs and Jains are Hindus . Check out the 'Complete works of Swami Vivekananda'.
Here are the common points shared by Hinduism and its sects Sikhism , Buddhism and Jainism.

1.All these religions see Om or omkar as a sacred word and is commonly used in the beginning of their mantras or sacred invocations. In Sikhism Om is called as Ik Onkaar .
2.All these religions believe in the existence of the soul and its rebirth in different bodies.
3. The ends or aim of all these religions is the liberation of the soul from the bondage of matter or Moksha. The Hindu Moksha and the Jain Nibbana and the Buddhist Nirvana is one and the same thing.
4.All these religions believe in the law of karma , or the law of cause and effect.
5. Vegetarianism is considered a virtue in all these religions.

[raj_rathee]

Sorry to be a spoilsport here, but thought it better to add my views before we all get teary eyed in this lovefest for each other....sob-sob-kiss-kiss...kit the mere Sardar bhaayeeyon itne saare din...

I don't think anyone would argue against Sikh-Hindu Jat brotherhood
and common lineage and so on.

I think the question to ask is how many of you are seriously interested
in Punjab and Sikh issues? Amritsar mein ki hoya? Akalis? Badal? Gurudwara issues? Why Pandits are all evil? Khalistan ke sapne aaj bhi hain.

How many of our teary eyed Hindu jats here have spent any length of time
on Sikh/Punjabi heavy sites/forums? The language is different, the issues of
interest are different, the political issues/players are different, often
viewpoints are pretty different too. I don't think a Hindu Jat can hang around
too long there!! Its one thing to have had Sikh Jat friends, and quite another
hanging out on web forums amongst a sea of Sikhs!

As far as I can tell even though this site is designed for Hindu Jats, I still
see it being primarily centered around the Delhi, Haryana, Western UP
region....with the emphasis much more on Delhi/Haryana. Heck, I have a
suspicion that even plenty of Hindu Jats feel they don't quite fit in here.

So while having a few Sikh Jats hang around here shouldn't be an issue, key
thing is the site is only meaningful as long as it maintains the specific regional
character it has thus far.

In any case, I would be surprised if too many Sikhs actually want to be here.

[VJ]

bula loo bhai sab ne..koi dikat aali baat na sai :)

[raj_rathee]

Right, when Brar saab pahle se hi yahan vidyman hain, tho there is no sense of asking should we allow or not. Brahm saab ka ek aur Bhram.

Swami Vivekananda says that Buddhists, Sikhs and Jains are Hindus . Check out the 'Complete works of Swami Vivekananda'.
Here are the common points shared by Hinduism and its sects Sikhism , Buddhism and Jainism.

1.All these religions see Om or omkar as a sacred word and is commonly used in the beginning of their mantras or sacred invocations. In Sikhism Om is called as Ik Onkaar .
2.All these religions believe in the existence of the soul and its rebirth in different bodies.
3. The ends or aim of all these religions is the liberation of the soul from the bondage of matter or Moksha. The Hindu Moksha and the Jain Nibbana and the Buddhist Nirvana is one and the same thing.
4.All these religions believe in the law of karma , or the law of cause and effect.
5. Vegetarianism is considered a virtue in all these religions.

Ha ha ha...there you go....a perfect example of someone who doesn't
have a clue to Sikh psyche and politics!...and a good illustration of
why you want to maintain the Hindu Jat nature of this forum.

Sikhs hate Arya Samajis and attempts to tie them to Hinduism.

Rajive bhai, you would be seriously brutalised for this post on a Sikh heavy
website.

[rajivsp]

[QUOTE=raj_rathee;214675
Rajive bhai, you would be seriously brutalised for this post on a Sikh heavy
website.[/QUOTE]
May be!
Kuch bhi ho sakta hai is dunia mein. I have just expressed my opinion ( even not mine, borrowed one) based on my limited knowledge.
And if we see famous personalities section of this site sikh jatt are already mentioned there - Dara Singh, Dharmendra etc.

[vicky84]

if ?... nd only if JAT's can ever get united... u'll understand what this "ism" is all about.
...
follow few signatures of members on this portal, you might get an idea... for more refer to my next post.

Don't you think Casteism has been destroying India from ages..

[Svikas]

Sikhs hate Arya Samajis and attempts to tie them to Hinduism.

Rajive bhai, you would be seriously brutalised for this post on a Sikh heavy
website.
Hi Raj,

Do all Sikhs do that? I don't think so. Search online for Sanatan Sikhi.

[raj_rathee]

Hi Raj,

Do all Sikhs do that? I don't think so. Search online for Sanatan Sikhi.

Vikas:

What you will find is that the "majority sikh voice" would strongly object
to it. Sikhs see this as a threat to their unique identity and an attempt by Hindus to deny them of that. And as you can imagine, that voice gets
louder and meaner and ruder on web forums.

[anilsangwan]

सारे खा-म-खा लाग रे लागे मेंने तो ..... किसी मोडे ने पूछी स के थारे धोरे आक भाई ALLOW ya BAN करा जा की नहीं ?


चलो मान लिया की ALLOW ना करो...... तो कौन सा सिक्यूरिटी प्रबंध स site par (apart from manual check by ADMINS)..? ...........एब के राशन कार्ड देखोगे ....? आक SDM का साइन करा ओड जाती प्रमाण पत्र .....? कोए सिख/muslim अगर नकली ID बना की मेंबर बन गया .... या मुस्लिम जाट बन गया मेंबर...... तो के पकड़ लोगे ?

जो चीज़ हम करण की सोच रे सा वो लागू करनी बहुत मुश्किल स internet site pe........... शायद तभी जाटलैंड के मैं पेज पे सिर्फ एक लाइन लिख दी गयी ..... जो उस लाइन को पढ़ के मेंबर नहीं बनना चाहता तो ठीक है ....और फिर भी बनना चाहता है ...तो भी ठीक है क्यूंकि कोई FOOLPROOF तरीका नहीं है उसको रोकने का .......सो जिसा चाल रा स वो सही स ......




.

[Svikas]

Raj, to determine a "majority", one needs to carry out an elections or polls! What we have is our anecdotal experiences. You are correct in saying so based on your own experiences (forums etc). My sikh friends tell me that Sikhi is an offshoot of Sanatan Dharma and they have no set/rigid religious boundaries. If the Sikhs want to be called as Sikhs, call them Sikhs. No problemo.

[ARVINDJANGU]

भाइयों आप लोगो से मैं पूछना चाहता हु की क्या हम हिन्दू जाट ? क्योकि जाहा तक मुझे ज्ञान हैं हरियाणा , दिल्ली , उत्तर प्रदेश व राजस्थान के जाटों ने आर्य समाज को अपना लिया था और आर्य समाज में कोई जाति व धर्म नहीं हैं सब क्षत्रिये हैं आर्य हैं | आर्य समाज में हिन्दू कोई धर्म नहीं हैं " स्वामी जी के अनुसार तो हिन्दू का मतलब काफिर होता हैं " | वो अलग बात हैं की इस आर्य समाज को सरकारी तौर पर धर्म की मान्यता नहीं मिली | हमे आजतक यही नहीं पता चल पा रहा हैं की हमारा धर्म क्या हैं | स्वामी जी के कहने पर सब त पहले पड़ी लाठी जाटों ने उठाई |
यही हाल सिख धर्म का हैं | सिक्ख धर्म हिन्दुत्व की रक्षा के लिए बनाया गया था | उसमे गुरूजी ने कहा के हमारा कोई धर्म कोई जाति नहीं हैं हम सब क्षत्रिये हैं ( जैसा आर्य समाज में कहा गया हैं की कोई जाति नहीं हैं सब क्षत्रिये हैं ) | एक खालसा पंथ की नीवं रखी | यहाँ भी गुरूजी के हुकम पर सब से पहले पड़ी लाठी धर्मचंद जाट ने उठाई |
मतलब के दोनों धर्मो / पंथो के गुरु किसी जाति को नहीं मानते , फेर तो जाट रहे ही नहीं | इनसे तो फेर मुस्लिम धर्म ही ठीक हैं उसमे जाट जाति तो हैं सिर्फ मजहब बदला गया , यह तो नहीं कहा गया के कोई जाति नहीं |

[arunshamli]

जैसा आर्य समाज में कहा गया हैं की कोई जाति नहीं हैं सब क्षत्रिये हैं ) |

यह सच नहीं है.

आर्य समाज वर्ण व्यवस्था में विश्वास करता है और वर्ण व्यवस्था के अनुसार समाज में ब्राहमण, क्षत्रिय, वैश्य और क्षुद्र सब प्रकार के लोग होते हैं. सब आर्य समाजी क्षत्रिय नहीं हो सकते.

[mann123]

Jat ka koi dharam nahin hain... kitne mandir main jate hain aur kitne gurudware main sabko pata hain. Haryana aur Punjab main Jat jyada hain isliye unka raaj hain. Jat and Jatt are one and the same no difference.....

[aryasatyadev]

Mere khyal se Tarar sahab ke post ke baad is thread ko band kar dena chahiye, Brahm ko ab conclude kar dena chahiye

[hoodarajesh]

[QUOTE=anilsangwan;214881]सारे खा-म-खा लाग रे लागे मेंने तो ..... किसी मोडे ने पूछी स के थारे धोरे आक भाई ALLOW ya BAN करा जा की नहीं ?


चलो मान लिया की ALLOW ना करो...... तो कौन सा सिक्यूरिटी प्रबंध स site par (apart from manual check by ADMINS)..? ...........एब के राशन कार्ड देखोगे ....? आक SDM का साइन करा ओड जाती प्रमाण पत्र .....? कोए सिख/muslim अगर नकली ID बना की



भाई अनिल दूसरी जाती या दुसरे धर्म का मेंबर इस साईट
पै जै फर्जी बन कै आ भी गया तो २-४ दिन से ज्यादा कोणा
रुके . क्योंकि हम दूसरी जातियों की बुराई इतनी कर देवा सा
की उसने भाजना ही पडेगा

[aryasatyadev]

Filhaal bhi bhot se laage sain ki nakli id bana ke site pe bane rahwen sain, kaiyan ki post padh ke te laage sai ke jaroor bahar ke honge:rock:rock

[richi]

Sikh jats ,Christian jats ,Muslim jats (sunni jats or shia jats) and Hindu jats are they all same??Well acc to some they are ....

One who has sikh jat as a friend or has found few sikh jats living like we hindu jats shouts for sikh jats to be included ,like way i urge to include christian jats too..now let there be discussions on guru nanak, jesus and prophet mohammed !!
let's begin one from now on<3

[VJ]

Mere khyaal se is post ko aab band kar dena chaiye....:)

[rajpaldular]

sikhs jats are welcome but muslim jats ......no way....we should hate all muslim jats.

[Svikas]

now let there be discussions on guru nanak, jesus and prophet mohammed !! let's begin one from now on<3

A question for you, will i (a Hindu) go to hell(as in heaven/hell) simply because I do not believe in them (Guru Nanak/jesus/mohammed) or their faiths? What is the scriptural answer given by Guru Nanak/jesus/mohammed?

[navdeepbudhwar]

sikhs jats are welcome but muslim jats ......no way....we should hate all muslim jats.



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can u giv any reason....why shud v hate them?????

[amritkharb]

koi parwa nahee karta iss web site ka member banne ka. Kyon khamka aise poll lete ho. Sab mauj masti ke liye aate haeen forums par. time pass bro time pass ke liye hoteen haeen forums jatland par bhi saare issi liye aate haen.:D

[richi]

mr.sehrawat thanx for asking the question but let me tell u that its not about going to hell or heaven aww!!

i must also tell u that once we start interacting with ppl from diff cults and religions many discussions go waste in reconciling the jarring elements that exist between the various religions nd nd nd then we are somehow able to get on one common platform! it gets hyper formal!!!

if one person is a muslim jat and other a sikh jat or a christian jat they hv jas one meagre similarity of being a jat but hv vociferous difference due to their identification to diff religious sects....

[Svikas]

mr.sehrawat thanx for asking the question but let me tell u that its not about going to hell or heaven aww!!
richa, only vikas will suffice, no need for mr. etc. I put the question, which might not be important for you but for me it would give an insight on Guru Nanak/jesus/mohammed. Why? Since holy books of their respective faiths is read and religiously followed by billions of adults and kids of their respective faiths, it will throw some light what they and their books think about me and my faith(Sanatan Dharma). हमे भी तो पता चले की महानुभावों का बाकी धर्मों के प्रति क्या विचार हैं | So my original question still stands, "will i (a Hindu) go to hell(as in heaven/hell) simply because I do not believe in them (Guru Nanak/jesus/mohammed) or their faith? What is the scriptural answer?"


i must also tell u that once we start interacting with ppl from diff cults and religions many discussions go waste in reconciling the jarring elements that exist between the various religions nd nd nd then we are somehow able to get on one common platform! it gets hyper formal!!!It was you who wanted a discussion on Guru Nanak/jesus/mohammed, हैं ना?

[Bobby3711]

I don't know about muslim jat's but sikh jatt should not be allowed. I live in a punjabi area and there are 40% population is of sikh jatt's. They consider themselves greater than us but the truth is other thing. History shows what we are and what they were before the bringing of Shri guru gobind singh ji. So plz they should not be allowed.

[anilsangwan]

i don't know about muslim jat's but sikh jatt should not be allowed. I live in a punjabi area and there are 40% population is of sikh jatt's. They consider themselves greater than us but the truth is other thing. History shows what we are and what they were before the bringing of shri guru gobind singh ji. So plz they should not be allowed.

आछ्या रे बोब्बी....... कई दिना में आया.....पहलम तो राम राम ले ले .........बाकी तेरी बात सर आँख्यां पे..... एब इ ले..... मोगरा ले की बैठ जान्वागे.... जो कोए सिख जाट बड्या .... उसके टखने छोल दिए जांगे भाई ....... लेकिन बेरा क्यूकर पाटेगा.... आक कौन सी किसम का जाट स ...? :rock :rock

English version tere khatir :: Aachya re bobby... Kayi dina mein aaya..... Pehlam to Ram Ram le le..... Baaki teri baat sar aankhyan pe..... mogra le ki baith jawangey.... jo koye sikh jaat badya... uske takhney chhol diye jaangey bhai..... lekin bera kyukar paatega..... ak Kaun si "variety" ka Jat s?

[pdpbeniwal]

Na Kati Bhi Allow Na Karna Chahiye....Agar Mess hi Create karna hai fer kar sakte ho...Na koi religious similiarity hai....na koi byaah ke taurtareekein Milte....and na hi ki kisi dead ke saath kya salook karna chahiye....Apni population koi kam thodi hai..

[deepika]

Every religion and community is best in itself.You think you are any less than those jatt sikhs who think we are inferior?The way they think about you,you also think the same way for them.So how can you call them bad?Lets not question their existence by researching what they were before Shri Guru Gobind Singh jee because i am sure you also dont know what we were in those times.Neither do i know about it coz i wasn't born(even you were not).Its not right to insult others to look better and superior.
If tomorrow Dharminder Deol ji,Sunny Deol,Bobby Doel,Abhay Deol and Dara Singh jee become members of jatland we all will be delighted and proud to have them with us.I think Jatt Sikhs are also a part of our community.But still i think Jatt Sikhs are a bit different from us because their language,traditions and lifestyle are different from ours.So it may be a bit difficult to communicate with them.
Even if we allow them it will encourage curtural exchange.So i am kind of neutral on this topic.Every coin has two sides and every side has some advantages and some disadvantages:)



I don't know about muslim jat's but sikh jatt should not be allowed. I live in a punjabi area and there are 40% population is of sikh jatt's. They consider themselves greater than us but the truth is other thing. History shows what we are and what they were before the bringing of Shri guru gobind singh ji. So plz they should not be allowed.

[rana1]

bhai mere hisab se sab ki alag alag soch hoti h or m sochta hu ki jatt or jaat m kafi farak hota h jat ka to apna ek alag dhram h sikh per jaat hindu h ye fourm hamara ghar h yeha per sirf ghar ke mamber or sirf jaat bhaioo ki entry honi chahiye to m ye kehta hu ki baher ka koi bhi bhai yeha ek mahman ki tarah to aa sakta h per ye naa ho ki wo yeha per aker kabja jaama le or ye jaat ki na reh ker jatt ki ho jaye

[richi]

bilkul sahi manish..

[ravinderjeet]

tell who am i ?
My tau was a sikh.(Nanakpanthi)
My one relative is radhaswami.
My one relative is nirankari.
My one relative is shivbhakat.
My one relative is kabirpanthi.
My one relative is sanaatani.
I called myself vedicdhermi(not hindu)Hinduism is brahmenwad and against jats(pls. read some books on jat itihaas.)jaton ka satyanaas brahmno ne kiya hey.aur jat sikh brahmno ke jaatiwad ke kaaran bane they.phir bhi sikhon ne hi (Hindu dharam) is dharam ki raksha ke liye hi talwaar uthai thi.agar aap apane aap ko hindu maantey hain to aap se badey hindu sikh hain.main suru se is thred per dekh raha hoon ki Delhi, sonipat aur U.P.ke jat hi sikhon kaa virodh ker rahe hain.sayad inko sikhi ke barey main gayaan nahi hey.jasey hi aap Rohtak aur Sonipat ko paar karenge aur paschim ki aur badhtey jaayengey aapko jat aur jatsikh main koi antar nahi milegaa.main jab bhi havan karta hoon mare 4-5 jatsikh mitter(friends)parivaar ke saath saamil hotey hain.jo log jatsikhon kaa virodh ker rahey hain wo jaton ko kamjor ker rahey hein.choudhery charan singh ki rallion main aadha punjab uth ker aa jaata tha choudhery saab kaa saath dene ke liye. wo jat sikh hi to they.
parivaar ko todo met ,jodo.

[ravinderjeet]

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navdeep yaa staingun marey i d main bhi ghaal dey.

[daksa]

Kahi bhid me Apni pahchan na khode and i would say only JAT should be part of wiki. kucha log famous hai isliye ham unhe jat bata-rahe hai.

[sanjaymalik]

please these sikh Jats and Muslim Jan will not be allowed to join this site.........

[nitindev]

Inevitably the first thought which came into my mind and, I assume, would come into the mind of most people on this site would be to keep this site limited to hindu jats only. I must admit that i was not even aware of muslim jat...

I think being a jat or for that matter of fact believing in any religion is nothing more than the personal belief. It is only our name which identifies us as jats. So, though emotionally I feel that jatland should be restricted to hindu jats but logically I feel that anyone who believes to be a jat should be allowed. If the person doesnt feel like a jat then he would himself refrain himself from joining this.

To that affect I wanna share something, I came across one guy who by all means was serd but he always called himself jat not even jatt. Honestly I think he was more jat that than I am if I were to compare on the language and overall attitude of jats. If he were to join to join this website then I see no reasons that he should not be allowed.

[brahmtewatia]

replies in favour = 30+47 = 77... 56%
against = 58... 42%
confused = 3... 2%

total replies = 202 so far
total visits = 5676 so far

a clear policy shud be defined, as we see quite a few sikh JATT's also making their contributions. are they allowed ? if they are then why the site says "only for hindu JAT's".

the subject was raised several times earlier as well but without a poll. verdict seems to be very clear now... can we have a word from moderators on what they feel about it.

the thread has concluded on discussion and shud be closed after their reply.

[sjakhars]

If this is true then we do not need any poll, please have a look, though I do not agree with this.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28116

and I am posting this as member not as a moderator.
waise chunav to bahumat wala hi jee-ta hai chahe kitne hi ummidwar hon, do ummodwaron ke vote milaye nahi ja sakte. :) :) aur is chunav (Poll) me "No to all others except Hindus" wale ko sabse jyada vote mile hain aur maine bhi usi ko vote diya hai.:) :)

Regards.


replies in favour = 30+47 = 77... 56%
against = 58... 42%
confused = 3... 2%

total replies = 202 so far
total visits = 5676 so far

a clear policy shud be defined, as we see quite a few sikh JATT's also making their contributions. are they allowed ? if they are then why the site says "only for hindu JAT's".

the subject was raised several times earlier as well but without a poll. verdict seems to be very clear now... can we have a word from moderators on what they feel about it.

the thread has concluded on discussion and shud be closed after their reply.

[brahmtewatia]

If this is true then we do not need any poll, please have a look, though I do not agree with this.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28116

and I am posting this as member not as a moderator.
waise chunav to bahumat wala hi jee-ta hai chahe kitne hi ummidwar hon, do ummodwaron ke vote milaye nahi ja sakte. :) :) aur is chunav (Poll) me "No to all others except Hindus" wale ko sabse jyada vote mile hain aur maine bhi usi ko vote diya hai.:) :)

Regards.nd if we go by the quoted link in yr post then even hindu JAT's should'nt be allowed here at JL. also, sitaram ji, zara yahan bhi gaur pharmaiye
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झज्जर के बुढया ने गर्मी सेध री से | दिमाग में जा क लागी सीधी | lime light me aana seekh ge buddhle bhi..kadde gotra vivaad ar kadde issi-2 byaan baaji
aur waise bhi aajkal coalition ka zamaana hai, pichhle 20 saal se hindustan par coalition ka hi raaj hai. in tht case we should allow at least sikh JAT's as there vote count is 32+47=79. in fact forget abt coalition, the total no. of members who want sikh JAT's in are 79... thts very simple reasoning for anyone to comprehend. anyways, cut the crap cos the decision is all yours but please reply me as MOD on the following...
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a clear policy shud be defined, as we see quite a few sikh JATT's also making their contributions. are they allowed ? if they are then why the site says "only for hindu JAT's".

[saurabhjaglan]

aats are not Hindus - As per Khaap Panchaayat

We are no part of Hindus a separate tribe/race : says khap panchayat


Jansamwad News
Jhajjar. Aug 2(jansamwad): It seems that Jats have decided to fight those who recently criticizes the khap’s decision and even using the terms such as Tuglaki Farmaan for the khap’s. Today, In Jhajjar a rally was called by the pardhan’s of various khap’s to discuss the recent media reports, recently, media called the khap’s decision’s as Tuglaki Farmaan.

The Khap says about recent gotra controversy, we (jats) are a race/tribe not a caste of hindus or anyone else and have our own customs/culture. One of the Khap member said that jats never accepted Hinduism formally. The khap further says our customs/cultures doesn’t match that of hindu’s.

When asked about the legal aspects of the recent gotra controversy, they said that according to Hindu Marriage Act anyone can marry who are of marriageable age(except minor). According to Hindu Marriage Act , you can marry in the same gotra, and even in blood relation. But this is not permitted in our community. We strictly follow our custom/culture in our community and we have certain guidelines/rules for a valid marriage, says the Khap. We won’t allow anyone to break this custom at any cost, says one of the khap’s pardhan . They further said since we have different custom/cultures and doesn’t match that of hindus, how can Hindu Marriage Act be applicable on us. The law must protect your customs/cultures.

This law (Hindu Marriage Act) is only 50-60 years old, but our custom/culture is about 2000 years old says the khap. We strongly condemn the media for using such words for the khap panchayat. Before saying anything the media must understand the culture/customs of our community says the Khap.



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So This is my Personal Request to our Honrble members to keep JATs out of this Controversies.

Regards,
Jaglan

[mann123]

oo katya rog...

The above post by Jaglan ...also dillutes the constitution of our site. We need to think about this and modify our JATLAND constitution and remove the word "Hindu" and put the word "Vedic"..if agreed by all.

[sjakhars]

Brahm Ji, bahumat se mera matlab tha jise jyada vote milen. jaise agar 100 voters hai aur teen ummidwaron ko 45, 25 aur 30 vote milen to 45 vote wala jeeta hua mana jayega. yahan sebse jyada vote "Only Hindu Jats" ko mile hain.:) ;)


nd if we go by the quoted link in yr post then even hindu JAT's should'nt be allowed here at JL. also, sitaram ji, zara yahan bhi gaur pharmaiye
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aur waise bhi aajkal coalition ka zamaana hai, pichhle 20 saal se hindustan par coalition ka hi raaj hai. in tht case we should allow at least sikh JAT's as there vote count is 32+47=79. in fact forget abt coalition, the total no. of members who want sikh JAT's in are 79... thts very simple reasoning for anyone to comprehend. anyways, cut the crap cos the decision is all yours but please reply me as MOD on the following...
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[narwaldeepak]

hindu muslman sikh.....jat to jat howe hai
yaa dharam aali baat to bahman baniya ki ho hai


500-700 saal pehle sab kime 1 hi tha... jat ka bahut bada dil bataya jawe hia,,, fer chahe koi kime ho,, je mhari gel mel milap kare to ham pache nahi hatya karen.

baaki jatland site jataan khater hai ..sahi baat...chuhde chamar bahman nai to aade uu bhi na aawen, par jo aapne aap ne jat kahwe hai... uska haqq bane hia,, chahe wo sikh ho chahe muslman . dharti pe sare jat lagbhag braber hian.

[narwaldeepak]

jat kise dharam ke nahi bandh rahya , jat sare dharma te upar hia,

hindu dharam bahman ka , sikh panthi ka , muslim kaazi ka... jat ka kise me sajha nahi....

ch chhotu ram ne 1 bat kahi thi , jat mera bhai hai chahe kise dharam ka ho

[shailendra]

Look, we all know that after all Jats are a part of the wider community that is called 'Indian citizens' at the end;
Or let's say in other words we are Indian first and foremost before we are Jat or Sikh or anything else within this great country, and nothing that anybody says or thinks can change that!....
...and so by this site here being exclusively for Hindu Jats (and not for Muslim or Sikh Jatts, Brahmins, Gujaratis, Bengalis etc. etc.) doesn't automatically mean that it is some sort of an anti-Indian forum and loses it's authenticity all of a sudden!

Therefore something similar of an argument about including all Jats (just because we all 'jats' are the same, sikh or muslim) is not really a valid leverage that can be used to change the tradition for this website - It is and should continue to remain a platform for the Hindu Jats only. Period...
[Afterall there are a whole slew of other sites and discussion forums, and community groups of and about Jats that are all inclusive of other sub-sects be it Jat/Jatt etc,... so one is always welcome to be more 'comfortable' there if this feels anti-establishment!]

I think the initial idea and sanctity of the site should continue to remain what it was!!!

[sidchhikara]

The question of allowing Non-Hindu Jats begs another question: What will we achieve by doing this?

We can look at the pros and cons:

Pros:
1) More membership.
2) More insight into the life and culture of Non-Hindu Jats.
3) Cross-cultural friendship and exchange.

Cons:
1) Language may be issue. Some members might want to use Punjabi and Urdu - but nothing that Google translation tool cannot solve.
2) There may be clashes based on religion and country. I hope people will behave. We can have a rating system where members can express their opinion over what someone wrote by recommending or condemning a post by using some indicative color scheme. More green points - good, Red points - bad.

I think it should be open to all Jats.

But even if we don't open it - it will not make any difference because if you look at it from a wider perspective, say all Non-Jat Indians: for them this site is a race based site and will remain so even after we open it to all Jats.

[nijjhar]

do not allow sikh jats and especially do not allow muslim jats kyonke woh ab jat rahee hae nahee itne hundreds of years dusre muslmannon ke saath vivah racha kar. aapne khud to vote he naheen kiya?

Jatt is a tribe and wherever our tribal people are, we are one. Hindu means a person who knows his hond, the tribal identity. JISS KO JAATTI AUR BAASSI KA PATTA HAE, WO HINDU HAE. Harami does not know his tribal identity and they are not Hindus.

It was Kahn Singh Nabha who wrote that we are not Hindus. He himself is not a Hindu when he uses the surname as Nabha, the state. A person who is born of a prostitute who serves the whole village can't give the surname of any one but that of the village. This means that this Kahn Singh Nabha's mother was a well known prostitute serving the whole Nabha.

I am going to make a Youtube Video on this and I need more information about this Kahn Singh. Some say, he was a Dhillon Jatt. Any report about is tribal identity please?

You should know that we Jatts are the most foolish people of the world who have divided our Punjab into three. A person is a Sikh when he becomes a spiritual student and he cannot be a spiritual student until he is a Hindu. Then, after having the spiritual education, you could become a Khalsa or a Nirmallae Sant.

During the partition of the Punjab, my father stopped many sectarian attacks by telling them that the tribal self is born and die and not the spiritual self Hindu, Sikh or Muslim.

Kalyug belongs to Khatris and they are the greatest sons of Satan known to mankind. Jatts are Bhagats and these Khatris the sons of Satan. So, let us be known that Jatt is our physical body and not the spiritual. Jatts are born and Jatts die.

[SALURAM]

mere khyal se sirf hindu jat Ya sikh jat hi is jat website ka use kare to achcha hain. muslim to bilkul nahin

[nijjhar]

mere khyal se sirf hindu jat Ya sikh jat hi is jat website ka use kare to achcha hain. muslim to bilkul nahin

Jatt is a tribe or JAATI and a Jatt is born, marries and dies and not a Hindu, Sikh or Mohammedan. I tell you we were in Pakistan before partition and out Mohammedan counterparts used to be more friendly than our own Sikh Jatts.

So, please keep Jatt as a JAATI and do not attach this Hindu, Sikh or Muslim prefix to it.

We should always use our cortesy title Chaudhry as Gujjar also use it and there may be more agriculturists/Land owners.

Chaudhry Salu Ram Ji, what is your surname so that we know that you too are a Jatt. Khatris have told us not to identify ourselves with our surnames in case we get together. My Nijjhar Jatts are in Dehradun district as well and in Pakistan too. We are all one and if we identify our selves with surnames, do you think we will fight with each other?

If a person does not know his own tribal father where God gave you the birth, then how would you know Ram, Akal Purakh or Allah? No way. No surname means a *******.

[nijjhar]

mere khyal se sirf hindu jat Ya sikh jat hi is jat website ka use kare to achcha hain. muslim to bilkul nahin

Hi,

I did not see your name on the post and on seeing I know that you have put your surname. That is correct. This Siyol surname seems to be similar to Sial in Pakistan. Are you related to them as we Nijjhar are to Nijjhar in Pakistan?

I hope my post did not offend you but we Jatts should be open minded and straight forward.

[RavinderSura]

mere khyal se sirf hindu jat Ya sikh jat hi is jat website ka use kare to achcha hain. muslim to bilkul nahin........................... kyu en n tera ke kar diya ..muslim jaat jaat koni hote ke :thappad

[rana1]

........................... kyu en n tera ke kar diya ..muslim jaat jaat koni hote ke :thappad
badey bhai aap n t waye baat kardi aap t biili ka sher banaoo soooo jab aap ne naam ke agye muslim laga deya t fier we jaat kya naam ke reh ge
badey bhai eb un jaata n apna dharam change ker leya udee jaye piche eb t we bus naam ke jaat reh re s r un ke agee bhi we pehla muslim lagawe h eska matlab we pehla muslim h fier jaat h per ha ya un ki ek majburi ho sake h we bus billi s sher jisse skal alli

[rana1]

jat kise dharam ke nahi bandh rahya , jat sare dharma te upar hia,

hindu dharam bahman ka , sikh panthi ka , muslim kaazi ka... jat ka kise me sajha nahi....

ch chhotu ram ne 1 bat kahi thi , jat mera bhai hai chahe kise dharam ka
ho

badey bhai jaat ka dharam sanatam dharm h jaat n road p ku

bethawe h bhai jaat pehla arya the r we sanatam dharm n mante

the or aaj bhi bhout sare jaat sanatam dharm ko mante h badey

bhai dharam ka matlab ye h ki us ki kuch sarte or neyam hote h or

koi bhi kamyab aadmi bena sarto or neyam ke zindgi m kamyab nahi ho sakta

[nijjhar]

badey bhai jaat ka dharam sanatam dharm h jaat n road p ku

bethawe h bhai jaat pehla arya the r we sanatam dharm n mante

the or aaj bhi bhout sare jaat sanatam dharm ko mante h badey

bhai dharam ka matlab ye h ki us ki kuch sarte or neyam hote h or

koi bhi kamyab aadmi bena sarto or neyam ke zindgi m kamyab nahi ho sakta

Many of our brethren are misled by the Khatris that Aariya is a Samaaj. It is wrong. Samaaj means a community as Hindu is a Samaaj. I am Aariya too but it is my race. Jatts are a subdivision of Aariya race. Hindu is the first step on spiritual ladder. No Hindu, no Sikh.

Hindu is not the physical self that is born and die but the spiritual self never born and never die. Spiritual self changes but not the physical Jatt self.

[rana1]

bhai mere hisab se sab ki alag alag soch hoti h or m sochta hu ki jatt or jaat m kafi farak hota h jat ka to apna ek alag dhram h sikh per jaat hindu h ye fourm hamara ghar h yeha per sirf ghar ke mamber or sirf jaat bhaioo ki entry honi chahiye to m ye kehta hu ki baher ka koi bhi bhai yeha ek mahman ki tarah to aa sakta h per ye naa ho ki wo yeha per aker kabja jaama le or ye jaat ki na reh ker jatt ki ho jaye

apni t yaye rai s bhai

[nijjhar]

apni t yaye rai s bhai

In the Punjab we say KATTA AND IN HARYANA WE SAY KAATRRA. They are different or the same? Grewal or Dhillon in Karnal district, are they different from those of Amritsar district or in Pakistan?

If we Jatts cannot know our tribal father Jatt, then how would we know Ram?

[tomarhitesh23]

Sikh Jatts tak thik hai...un ka culture kafi had tak hum jaisa hi hai...or wo rahega bhi.... because they haven't loosen their identity and are still in touch with their roots.... but muslim koi bhi ho wo to aadha ugerwaadi janam se hota hai... we to paaas bithan jogge bhi na..... gain,bail khate hain wo..how can we accept them.....?????

[nijjhar]

Sikh Jatts tak thik hai...un ka culture kafi had tak hum jaisa hi hai...or wo rahega bhi.... because they haven't loosen their identity and are still in touch with their roots.... but muslim koi bhi ho wo to aadha ugerwaadi janam se hota hai... we to paaas bithan jogge bhi na..... gain,bail khate hain wo..how can we accept them.....?????

Jatt Brethren,

We Jatts are thick headed but clean-hearted too. In my opinion, our Pakistani Jatt brethren are less fanatics than our Punjabi Jatts who have been told that we are not Hindus. A Hindu is one who knows his HOND or the tribal identity, JAATTI AUR BAASSI. In Haryana, they call it KISS KA DOODHH SAE RAE? If you ask Jatts who they are, then most of the Harnayanvi Jatts would tell that they are Jatts, then come the Pakistani Jatts and least would tell that they are Jatts, the Punjabi Jatts. They would mostly identify themselves as Sikhs, the spiritual self, NAADI ROOP. Jatt is our Bindi Roop that is born and die. Thus, most stupid are the Jatts of the Punjab.

I don't know who is this Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha as Nabha is the state and not a surname of any tribe. In fact, a boy born of a prostitute who serves the whole town, she cannot pin point who is his real father. Such a boy is given the surname of the town, the mother. All the boys born of the tribal fathers get their own tribal surnames. So, this Bhai, a religious title, Kahn Singh Nabha's mother was a well known prostitute in the Nabha state. Such is the state of spiritual knowledge of the people of the Punjab. Pakistani Jatts would never adopt the name of village or town as their surnames and so the Harnayavi Jaatts. There are others such as Badal, Kairon, Longowal, etc using their village names as their surnames.

Atomic war is expected at the End of 2012 when the Mayan Calendar touches ZERO as most of the Bible Prophesies have been fulfilled except the Burning of the Jews of flesh, Matt.13.v24-30. USA and U.K. should attack another country making Atomic Bombs around 21 December, 2010. Then Real Tribulations or GHHARR BARR.

During the Indo-Pak war, the Jatts would fight against each other and those who would keep their surnames intact would be identified by their own brethren and saved. The rest would die as they have no right to live on this Planet meant for the sons of Adam or Shiva. Dae Shiva Var Mohae ........., the Sikhs sings but they become Shankar Varnian fanatics by becoming the Sikhs of physical body. Remember that Christ Jesus had to take a Virgin Birth because the people of Judah tribe had become the Jews of physical body unfaithful to Abraham as Abraham was a Semite and not a Jews. Today, they are bundled up for Final Burning.

Watch the Youtube Video of your Jatt brother as we Jatts are the Shiv Sena of Shri Krishan Baldev Ji, the Khalsa Soldiers and Bhagats in this Dark Age. No one can preach Gospel better than a Jatt or Jaatt? So, try your hand at preaching Gospel. Christ Jesus was the First and Nanak the Second Christ called a Satguru. This Kalyug belongs to the people of Khatri tribe and thet have propagated Satguru Nanak Dev Ji as a Guru, a Brahmin moral teacher. You can't trust a Khatri, one in a million.

[nijjhar]

Have anybody read the Shree Guru Granth Sahib??

Does anyone know when and how Sikhism came and purpose of it?

if you find answers of these questions then you are more justified to talk on this topic.

We have our senior member Ch. Rajinder Singh Nijjar jee you can take help of him if you want.

Most of the famous Sikh writer says (including the above mentioned)

"You can not be a Sikh unless you are a Hindu"

Don't talk rubbish without facts.

Hi Brethren,

I understand and appreciate the honour given by our Mann Jatt but this Middle name Singh is common among us which is wrong.

People became Singh when they had offered their heads for the Third Khalsa Panth in which you leave your tribal homes to become the Soldiers of Akal Purakh to fight against the oppressions. Then, your family surname disappears and is replaced by Singh. Thus, before Amrit, my name is Chaudhry Rajinder Nijjhar and after Amrit, it would be Sardar Rajinder Singh. So, Sardar and Singh belong to the Khalsas whilst Bhai and Dass to Nirmallae Sants or Apostles.

There is a Saying in Ad-Granth, "NANAK TAE NAR ASSALL KHAR; JAE BINN GUNN GHARBH KARANT". So, without being a Khalsa or an Apostle, the person is real donkey if he uses any of these words in his name, Sardar, Singh, Bhai or Dass.

Kalyug belongs to Khatris as the Traeta Yug of Shri Ram Chander Ji belonged to them as well. In Traeta Yug, they were Devtas whilst in Kalyug, they become the sons of Satan. To fight these greedy sons of Satan, first Satguru Nanak Dev ji gave the Word of God, DHUR KI BAANI or Gospel and then Royal King Sachae Paatshah Gobind Rai Ji organised the Third Panth of philanthropist Soldiers and put the Fourth Panth of Apostles on Firm Footing. Khatris at Harmandir Sahib threw the Nirmallae Sants out of the Complex and they established themselves outside. More in my Punjabi Book that I want my Jatt brethren to be translated into Hindi.

[Dheeraj24]

Only those should be allowed :

Whose both parents are JATS
Who ,if married, to only a JAT(Jatni)

I wish all Jats either Hindu , Sikh , Muslim or any other like Jats in germany , ukraine...if they wish to....should be allowed.

[nijjhar]

Only those should be allowed :

Whose both parents are JATS
Who ,if married, to only a JAT(Jatni)

I wish all Jats either Hindu , Sikh , Muslim or any other like Jats in germany , ukraine...if they wish to....should be allowed.

Hi,

Well said. Jatt is the tribal seed called TUKHUM and a person cannot be a Jatt unless he is born of a Jatt father.

So, if you know your tribal father called ilah in Arabic, the father of Kabila, then you would know our spiritual Father Par Brahm called Al-Ilah = Allah in Abrabic.

Jatts are born and Jatts die and not Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, etc.

[PAWANCHAUDHARY]

Muslim Jats not to be allowed

[nijjhar]

Muslim Jats not to be allowed

Jatt is our JAATI, tribe, caste or KAUM and Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, etc our spiritual selves that wre never born and never die. Not a single Sikh died during the 1984 riots but Khatris, Arorrae, Tarkhan, Jatt, etc.

Jatts are Jatts wherever they are, in Pakistan, India, England, USA, etc.

Beware of the Khatris, they are number one sons of Satan and Kalyug belongs to Khatri. Lala Manmohan Singh Kohli Khatri is heading India now.

[Dheeraj24]

Jatt is our JAATI, tribe, caste or KAUM and Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, etc our spiritual selves that wre never born and never die. Not a single Sikh died during the 1984 riots but Khatris, Arorrae, Tarkhan, Jatt, etc.

Jatts are Jatts wherever they are, in Pakistan, India, England, USA, etc.

Beware of the Khatris, they are number one sons of Satan and Kalyug belongs to Khatri. Lala Manmohan Singh Kohli Khatri is heading India now.

Dada aapne koye kitab bhi likhi hain ?
If yes do send me link, I would like to go through it..

Heard out of Paanch pyaare one was KHATRI of delhi..by dusham paatsha

[nijjhar]

Hi,

Yes. I have written two Books; one in English and one in Punjabi. Looking forward to writing one in Hindi but I do not know Hindi. May be able to read.

I have put Youtube Videos in Punjabi and it seems to be the best way. Here are some links:-

For articles on Sister Christian and Sikh communities, visit: -
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rajinder.nijjhar/sikhism.htm
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rajinder.nijjhar/trinnut.JPG

Punjabi Book link:-

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rajinder.nijjhar/pdbook.pdf


Produced over 1500 Youtube Videos on Interfaith + Documentary:-
http://uk.youtube.com/profile?user=nijjhar1
https://www.google.com/video/upload/Status?hl=en-GB
Videos by a Cuban worth watching how Messianic Jews killed Christianity:-
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-CBLaxTJ9fE
St. Photina, an article by a Russian Bishop:-
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rajinder.nijjhar/photina.htm
Hajj is for boys 12 to 16 years old to make them faithful to their tribal fathers, Ilah:-
http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?pi=0&ps=20&sf=&sa=0&sq=&dm=0&p=FB77A1AC2FB499CE

[Dheeraj24]

Hi,

Yes. I have written two Books; one in English and one in Punjabi. Looking forward to writing one in Hindi but I do not know Hindi. May be able to read.

I have put Youtube Videos in Punjabi and it seems to be the best way. Here are some links:-

For articles on Sister Christian and Sikh communities, visit: -
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rajinder.nijjhar/sikhism.htm
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rajinder.nijjhar/trinnut.JPG

Punjabi Book link:-

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rajinder.nijjhar/pdbook.pdf


Produced over 1500 Youtube Videos on Interfaith + Documentary:-
http://uk.youtube.com/profile?user=nijjhar1
https://www.google.com/video/upload/Status?hl=en-GB
Videos by a Cuban worth watching how Messianic Jews killed Christianity:-
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-CBLaxTJ9fE
St. Photina, an article by a Russian Bishop:-
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rajinder.nijjhar/photina.htm
Hajj is for boys 12 to 16 years old to make them faithful to their tribal fathers, Ilah:-
http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?pi=0&ps=20&sf=&sa=0&sq=&dm=0&p=FB77A1AC2FB499CE

Thankyou.
For sharing such knowledge things with your new generation.

[nijjhar]

Hi Jatt brethren,

I would like to see the Book translated into Hindi and Urdu. Any one prepared to help in this project?

You will learn things so simple but valuable in life.

I can reproduce in Youtube Videos as well.

[manojchaudhary5]

Dear Sir,

I am manoj Chaudhjary Pawariya from Village & PO: Bilsuri, Distt: Bulandshahr (UP), presently residing at SIRSA (Haryana). I belong to such a region where we do have MUSLIM JAATS. In my view, we must not (REPEAT) must not include any of the MUSLIM or SIKH jaats on this site. The reason is simple, MUSLIMS & SIKHS already do have their own organisations irrespective of their CASTES and breeds, as far as HINDU JAATS are concerned, this website is the only source by which we (HINDU JAATS) can be united and can form our organisation.

[urmiladuhan]

Hi Jatt brethren,

I noticed you have listed M.Sc in your signature. A degree I suppose. If you don't mind my asking, what is your area of specialization?

[Dheeraj24]

I noticed you have listed M.Sc in your signature. A degree I suppose. If you don't mind my asking, what is your area of specialization?

Metallurgy

One of the Links given by Dadaji shows it.

[nijjhar]

Metallurgy

One of the Links given by Dadaji shows it.

Yes. Metallurgy.

[pooja12goyat]

Hi Jatt brethren,

I would like to see the Book translated into Hindi and Urdu. Any one prepared to help in this project?

You will learn things so simple but valuable in life.

I can reproduce in Youtube Videos as well.
i will do this baba ji.
this will be a great experience for me.

[nijjhar]

Hi Pooja,

Here is my e-mail rajinder.nijjhar@ntlworld.com

I will send you Book in Punjabi and you get it translated into Hindi/Urdu. Keep in mind that God is On and it has different names.

So, do not be frightened of Allah as these Mohammedans themselves hardly know why they call Allah.

[urmiladuhan]

[QUOTE=rocky0036;232576]

please acche se read karke or soche pe post del karni chiye
thanks

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I agree. The moderators are not being fair to me as well. My innocent posts have been deleted without giving me any good reason. The moderators use 'private messages' for communicating the deletion after the deed has been done. But when I try to reply back, the message is blocked.
Why are they sending private messages if they themselves don't want to receive them? If I try to post a response to their private message on the forum, the post is again deleted.
What I suggest is that the moderators should give a time frame to the author for withdrawing the post (rather than deleting it themselves) and at the same time keep the communication channel open both ways through the "private message" system that they use.

[anurag8425]

ab tak kon sa jatt's ko yahan kisi ne join karne se roka tha..
Chaudhary Rajinder Nijjhar uncle ji bhi to hai...

[mhundpuriamann]

i will do this baba ji.
this will be a great experience for me.


hmmmm very impressive pooja !

jattan ki chorri bhi badde badde kaam karan laggi ! good keep it up ! we r proud of people like u !

[ravinderjeet]

[QUOTE=nijjhar;232458]Hi Jatt brethren,

I would like to see the Book translated into Hindi and Urdu. Any one prepared to help in this project?

i will help you in this project chachaji,i can translat from punjabi to hindi.

[brahmtewatia]

I noticed you have listed M.Sc in your signature. A degree I suppose. If you don't mind my asking, what is your area of specialization?

I agree. The moderators are not being fair to me as well. My innocent posts have been deleted without giving me any good reason. The moderators use 'private messages' for communicating the deletion after the deed has been done. But when I try to reply back, the message is blocked.
Why are they sending private messages if they themselves don't want to receive them? If I try to post a response to their private message on the forum, the post is again deleted.
What I suggest is that the moderators should give a time frame to the author for withdrawing the post (rather than deleting it themselves) and at the same time keep the communication channel open both ways through the "private message" system that they use.
madam,

now tht you have learnt tht sardar ch. rajinder nijjhar singh ji have done m.sc. in metallurgy, nd also have realized tht there is nothing you can do of moderators if they happen to delete yr post(s)… do you have anything or something innocent to contribute ???... what more, you haven't even cast your vote on this thread... मैडम प्लीज सच सच बताओ आप चाहती क्या हो ?

it has been observed (nd assumed) tht you have been messing around, poking members, making personal comments, pointing fingers, questioning members nd ghooming around frm gudgamme to andhra pradesh. in short, doing anything nd everything accept for making any valuable nd innocent contribution on this board (… oops, i mean the portal called JATland). Don’t trust me… गो टू यौर प्रोफाइल एंड चेक आल द इन्नोसेंट पोस्ट्स पोस्टेड बाय ms. मिल्लू धूआं... you'll realize tht i'm talking sense nd not making any assumptions. another idea go to this thread >>> Is JL a public, democratic platform or is it a personal fiefdom of mods (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25034). ask mods to open it nd cast yr vote... its valuable.

i come here to intervene, being the curator (सूत्रधार) of this thread nd it happens to be my responsibility to ensure tht folks must not mess around with there funny whim(s) nd de-rail the thread wch has been hitherto pretty decent.

shall I advise (फ्री की है, प्लीज ले लो) you to take one month of voluntary ban nd do proper retrospection nd introspection on your whimsical activities nd try understand the decorum of this board (i mean portal)... trust me most members do tht. this will also help you come out of the euphoria called JATland of wch you seem to be very much obsessed nd over-whelmed. [i will (no more) talk anymore on or abt evolution at JATland (refer tht toon... err 2050 a.d.)].

p.s. : all puns intended nd must be assumed (>>> nd understood).

[urmiladuhan]

Mr. Tewatia-

Please don't post to me.

Thanks.

[pooja12goyat]

Hi Pooja,

Here is my e-mail rajinder.nijjhar@ntlworld.com

I will send you Book in Punjabi and you get it translated into Hindi/Urdu. Keep in mind that God is On and it has different names.

So, do not be frightened of Allah as these Mohammedans themselves hardly know why they call Allah.
JI Baba ji,

I am not afraid or frieghtned of Allah, as i too have a lil knowledge about that but not sure about it. Its only we jats which are found observing n following every religion n more secular.

I have noted down you e-mail address.

Thanks Baba Ji for this honour.

[urmiladuhan]

Yes. Metallurgy.

Wow!

Thanks!

[yvc1]

Dear Brothers,

I understand that many of us have settled at different places around every side of the world and have been following different life style.But we are bold,beautiful and clear hearted as basic jats and I think religion or belief in our ways to prey the almighty should not be a reason to seperate us.It would be good to have all jat brothers in jatland,this would definately bring in more of thoughts and information.

Yashvir

[upendersingh]

सरदार और मुसलमान जाटों को जाटलैंड पर आमंत्रित किया जाना चाहिए और फिर उनसे पूछा जाना चाहिए कि उन्होंने हिंदू धर्म को छोड़कर क्या हासिल किया.
उन्हें वापस हिंदू बनने के लिए प्रोत्साहित किया जाना चाहिए.

[narendra81]

bade bhai this was too funny...
yaar they are not first generation converted... their forefathers got converted...
if they are born muslims than how can u expect those kind of thing from them?


सरदार और मुसलमान जाटों को जाटलैंड पर आमंत्रित किया जाना चाहिए और फिर उनसे पूछा जाना चाहिए कि उन्होंने हिंदू धर्म को छोड़कर क्या हासिल किया.
उन्हें वापस हिंदू बनने के लिए प्रोत्साहित किया जाना चाहिए.