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shailendra
July 10th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Okay: it's Friday afternoon... TGIF! Yaaa! :D
and truth be said: I also tried looking up the old threads on cricket that I could piggy back on and continue further this discussion I wanted to have here (and even found one that Deswalji had started that touches on the same; unfortunately it's locked now!)... and so starting this one about one of the sports that i like and feel has been thrashed around on this site by many a lot! ;)

Okay: here's what I am trying to do - gauge a good discussion on the merits of sports in general and the game of cricket in particular!

• Does Cricket make for a bad sport (physical element of it)?
• What about the skills involved? (Are they easily acquired, easy to stay with... maintain over time, and consistency!)
• Is it a sport that needs too much infrastructure (or even kit etc.) for it not be a poor-man's sport?
• It's status as a national sport (not the official one, of course) but as the most popular one!
• On the same lines; it's popularity in the world (do only the commonwealth nations recognize and follow it?)
• Lastly; the new format of the game; T-20 in particular... does it have the power and possibility to bring the game to a more recognized international status?
• What are the things that attract us to the game? (For cricket lovers)
• What are the things that make us hate it? (For Cricket haters)

I must have proabably missed a few other angles of (positive) discussion... so please feel free to add that input... :)

shailendra
July 11th, 2009, 12:23 AM
...Hmmm, no one taking a sporty bait here, eh mate? (don't everyone post at the same time! LOL!) ;)

Okay to keep the thread alive (as the initiator, gotta do it! ;)) here I am going to start sharing my two cents on individual aspects of the game, and to maybe try and quell the anti-emotions for the sport maybe (at least will try)!
Okay then first up today:

1. Ground Conditions

Has one realized (I am sure one has) that this is probably the only sport that is so heavily impacted by the external, the unknown (not the sportman's individual skills, his kit, or physical condition) BUT the ground conditions that it can easily change the whole outcome of the game!?! type of court [/B]in tennis like clay, grass etc... but you train accordingly and are either a specialist on one or not. Similiarly, [I]soccer in the rain can end up with slightly difficult conditions, but then one has closed/covered soccer stadiums now pretty much....and even if not, at least everyone is playing, at the same time, on the same level conditons... and then, you have the artificial turfs in hockey, dew on the ground etc. etc, but again it is a level pitch for everyone...)

BUT man! Remember Cricket is the only sport where the bowlers do things, make stuff happen, and take advantage out of the pitch and even the best established batsmen can look like rookies on their first day out, if they can't read the pitch properly (and/or simply unable to cope, even if they do).

Moral of the point: How do you talk about consistency when external conditions play so heavily on the performance (be it a person or the whole team)??? (Note: this not meant to be confused as an excuse, of course, but just a valid point in a neutral way)... How can one condemn a player for bad performance or lack of consistency when you can be at your best and still gotta fall back on the lady luck for making thru at even the best of times? How can a sportsman train or hone his skill for every eventuality when the ball can still end up doing something new?...

Do the Basketballers have to deal with that? Baseballers? American Footballers? The Hockey players? Tennis, Badminton, table-tennis, swimming, archery, shooting, athletics... etc. etc. I mean the list can go on. But the answer is only one: NONE of the other sports except Cricket!

gaganjat
July 11th, 2009, 08:14 PM
5 din safed pant aur BU-shirt pahen ke dheere dheere gentlemen ki tarah aram se khelte raho. kisi ko befaltu me bhagne ki jarorat nahi :D

koi kisi ko touch nahi karta , koi dhakka mukki nahi, jisiki bari ho vo bolwling ar batting kar le..issa badhiya pyar mohaabat wala game Ghandiwaad non-violence wala kitt milega.

India ka har admi is game ko khelta hai ya khel sakta hai.. ..resources ki koi jaroorat konya ..jeb mai pissse ho tai bhai english willow aala bat kharred lo ar na ho tai lakdi ki thappi pai kapda lapet kai bana lo apna bat. ar 'gindu' rassi ar kaatar ka aram tai ban ja sai..gaama mai

Ar fitness tai Rantunga , inzmam ul haq, pawar (naya spinner india ka) jissi sab ae le rhe sai...

pad, guard , helmet ki tai kiise nai india mai jarorat padti ae konya,,, chahe cork ki ball se khele chae bhari aale 'ande' se concrete pe.

Bhaisaab aapne jo sawal puche the wo tai mai bhool gya:D baad mai likhaaange

gaganjat
July 11th, 2009, 08:54 PM
Vaise kooraukk ki bol se kirkeet kirkeet khelne ka maja ae kuch aur sai. jo ''pataaak' ki awaz ati hai shot marne ke baad maja aajata hai,, ar cork ki baal nai tai koi pakadta bhi konya tej tora mar do tai:D

ik synthetic/plastic ki solid ball ayi thi bera nai kitne kilo ki thi (not hollow at all) , guarantee thi koisa ae bat le ao , bat ka hatha pakkam pakka tootna hota tha ya bat mai crack ana hota tha. ,, chae bat pai vo kahl (ik khal hoya kare thi log chadwaya kare the bat pai) bhi chadwa rakhi ho

will be back once something comes to my mind...its a seriousssss topic....

cooljat
July 13th, 2009, 04:54 PM
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HAHAHAHA, Gunny ka Gyaan ... Bhai kati gyaan sa aa gaya, tune to purane din yaad dua diye jab mein bhi kade Fast Bowler hua karta.:rolleyes:

No offense to nyone but I find Cricket arguably the second most boring game after Golf. Bhaiyo, aajkal to 20-20 bhi tolerate na hota ... kati jhialooo game hai yo susra !!

There is nothing like Soccer, Rugbi, Athletics and Boxing. Soccer is the king of sport, without a doubt!

Cheers!

annch
July 13th, 2009, 09:05 PM
A little detour, sorry :).....
Stolen from a Blog, definition of Cricket:
"You have two sides, one out on the field and one in .Each man that’s in the side that’s in, goes out and when he’s out, he comes in and the next man goes in until he’s out. When they are all out, the side that’s out comesin and the side that’s been in goes out and tries to get those coming in out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out. When both sides have been in and out including the not outs, that’s the end of the game!”

In context of Indian Team, Cricket appears to be more a game of instinct, with prayers/blessings doing more work (when successful) than skills and strategy.

akshaymalik84
July 13th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Bhai nothing can stand against football(soccer in american).All in physical strength and skills and committment and knoweledge.

kapdal
July 13th, 2009, 10:14 PM
In context of Indian Team, Cricket appears to be more a game of instinct, with prayers/blessings doing more work (when successful) than skills and strategy.

That is a statement atleast a decade past its expiry date. Indian team has done really well in this decade. It is no one's claim that they are the best, but at this moment no one is. Quite a bit of credit for unseating Aussies from their unchallenged numero uno position goes to the Indian team. Of course, when you add the expectations of a cricket crazy country with a population of 1 billion and atleast one gully cricketer in every household, then no achievement would ever be sufficient. But if you look at it from a reasonable point of view, there is quite a bit to be proud of and lots of good moments to savour.

anilsinghd
July 13th, 2009, 10:39 PM
That is a statement atleast a decade past its expiry date. Indian team has done really well in this decade. It is no one's claim that they are the best, but at this moment no one is. Quite a bit of credit for unseating Aussies from their unchallenged numero uno position goes to the Indian team. Of course, when you add the expectations of a cricket crazy country with a population of 1 billion and atleast one gully cricketer in every household, then no achievement would ever be sufficient. But if you look at it from a reasonable point of view, there is quite a bit to be proud of and lots of good moments to savour.


Kind of agreed , earlier it was Indians and Pakistani's on their day can beat india , these days I guess its pretty much 50-50 with India and Australia , infact for that matter anyone against India.

Surely Indian team has done a lot of good over this decade and credit goes to the team for the same.

shailendra
July 13th, 2009, 10:45 PM
...alrighty then; some inputs! (and more importantly I see mostly the kinds that I started this thread to change the mindset of in the first place; which is good... ;))

Ok, First off: Google anytime you get a chance for "the most popular sport in the world" and thee cricket-haters would probably not like what they shall see (cause depending on which search-engine etc.) Cricket comes up as the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the world!

As to giving value to a sport based on their 'popularity' in the WORLD isn't that mighty kinda silly??? (as some of you quite often tend to quote that whole 'some measly 8 nations play it' etc. etc.).... because look at American sports for example; Basketball or even Football (the American version- not soccer) and even baseball are sports hardly followed in any other place much as compared to how CRAZY people here get when these games are on.... SO, why cannot that 'it' sport be Cricket for Indians???...

Do we really need a world certificate to be 'crazy' about a certain sport?...

[On that note you realize that the Americans call their baseball and football games as 'world-cups' and there is no other country competeing except themselves... THAT's cause they don't really care if others follow it, like it or not.... they themselves go head over heels with their love for these sports and the whole tail-gating Sunday/Friday night euphoria is to be seen that would put fan follwing of most sports to shame!]

There are still some more (quite a few actually) areas to talk about when it comes to Cricket.... but let's say consider this post as simply about 'popularity' of sports (Cricket to be specific) ;)

shailendra
July 13th, 2009, 10:56 PM
A little detour, sorry :).....
Stolen from a Blog, definition of Cricket:
"You have two sides, one out on the field and one in .Each man that’s in the side that’s in, goes out and when he’s out, he comes in and the next man goes in until he’s out. When they are all out, the side that’s out comesin and the side that’s been in goes out and tries to get those coming in out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out. When both sides have been in and out including the not outs, that’s the end of the game!”

...Hmmm; I would say try attempting something similar for "baseball" for example... you would be even more delightfully surprised with the subtle twist of terms and equations there... and OH wait, :D better still one for "Soccer" (the most popolar sport in the world BTW).... hmmm, "football" anyone?....

That easily happens when you try to put that pure joy of playing, being involved in, watching and/or enjoying the thrill (and specific nuances) of a sport (any sport) into some sit-down-and-define-it, desktop-warrior, gibberishly layman, non-sportsmanlike terms and definitions!

Tsk! Tsk! (but ok hey, thankfully you just stole it form a blog, Watson!)... :D

ps. Though truth be told it could quite be a fun excercise (and great blogging delight for some) to come up with such definitions for each of the team-sports that one can think of giving a shot! What say folks!?! :);):rolleyes:

Samarkadian
July 13th, 2009, 11:20 PM
Okay: it's Friday afternoon... TGIF! Yaaa! :D
and truth be said: I also tried looking up the old threads on cricket that I could piggy back on and continue further this discussion I wanted to have here (and even found one that Deswalji had started that touches on the same; unfortunately it's locked now!)... and so starting this one about one of the sports that i like and feel has been thrashed around on this site by many a lot! ;)

Okay: here's what I am trying to do - gauge a good discussion on the merits of sports in general and the game of cricket in particular!

• Does Cricket make for a bad sport (physical element of it)?
• What about the skills involved? (Are they easily acquired, easy to stay with... maintain over time, and consistency!)
• Is it a sport that needs too much infrastructure (or even kit etc.) for it not be a poor-man's sport?
• It's status as a national sport (not the official one, of course) but as the most popular one!
• On the same lines; it's popularity in the world (do only the commonwealth nations recognize and follow it?)
• Lastly; the new format of the game; T-20 in particular... does it have the power and possibility to bring the game to a more recognized international status?
• What are the things that attract us to the game? (For cricket lovers)
• What are the things that make us hate it? (For Cricket haters)

I must have proabably missed a few other angles of (positive) discussion... so please feel free to add that input... :)

Shail Bhai, Being the honest man in the town ,Usually I found myelf medicaly unfit to comprehand what you write is most of your posts. I happen to loose the meaning of what I understood in first few words at the end of sentence.:tamatar:thappad . Please don't mind, I am daring to write for the first time with quoting your blue words.

I shall try to answer few of your points:-

1. Criket doesnt makes a bad sport rather very bad.[Physical element]. Literialy its reputation among other sports is like of a tondu Baniya in Jats.

2. Gaining a skill set isn't the easy part. Being a Fast Bowler I practised my heart out for a In swinger cum off cutter at reasonable pace. But after two seasons I lost my genuine action and guys sent me out of boundary, even the new comers. It was frustating. Having a skill set is not enough , maintaining it over the seasons is the real challange.

3. I tend to disagree here with infrastructure. Usually 10-15 guys from a groups can easily arrange a moderate kit. Good thing is that when you had it initially it goes for long. Nowadays almost every average Joe can afford it.[However, tennis still is out of reach for most]. I still remember getting our first bat [Rs 180] saved out of pocket money. It was good with a cork ball.

4. You can make it a case atleast in sub-continent not in west anyway for next few decades.

5. Popularity in world : Same way as Baba Sehgal in the Billboard chart.

6. Newest baby is pregnant again with a concept of Two Innings in T20. Proposal is on to make it under a test format. ICCI is in hurry to destory it too early.

7. My Attraction: When Genius Like Sachin and Brian Lara[rt.] plays their shots with full natural talent. Criket for me is orgasmic when Sachin or Lara plays the hook shot to boundary. Thats called beauty which is seductive as well as innocent.

8. Its overhyped.

Criket could be a small but growing economy in subcontinent. My take.

anilsinghd
July 13th, 2009, 11:25 PM
• Does Cricket make for a bad sport (physical element of it)?

Not at all , I was always the captain ( the most important reason was that I wa s the one who was putting all the money in :D ) , so I had plenty of workout even when there were 11 in a team! Also if you want to be involved you can doa lot of workout!

Even when I used to play on the roof , two of us , me and my elder bro , it was all action , either I was bowling or batting :)


• What about the skills involved? (Are they easily acquired, easy to stay with... maintain over time, and consistency!)

Okie , this depends on the bar you set for yourself! If you want to take it easy , probably not a lot of skill is required , you can have fun! But I was pretty serious about stuff , used to follow Dravid trying to get his front shoulder always parallel to the pitch :) I remember my most memorable inning was the 253 not out , spread over 3 days , on my roof , with restrictions like out of roof is out , out of the 30 yard circle without a bounce is out , anything travelling 10 yards behind the wicket is out and many similar restrictions! I declared myself when my friends started literally crying! :D
Those days were really great in terms of adding on the skills , after that I really had no problem in playing whatever , tennis ball , hard flash , leather etc !

• Is it a sport that needs too much infrastructure (or even kit etc.) for it not be a poor-man's sport?

As someone already said , if you can buy a willow , great , else a "lakdi ki phatti" can do the job if playing on roof , gali etc! :D

• Lastly; the new format of the game; T-20 in particular... does it have the power and possibility to bring the game to a more recognized international status?


Am not a fan of this 20-20 stuff , more of a t raditional sort of guy ! One dayers , test matches are better!



Comments inline!

annch
July 13th, 2009, 11:31 PM
Yeah, you may be right....my patience to watch the game also went kaput when our teams' luck ran out...10 years agoooooo!!...moments and not matches to savor???


That is a statement atleast a decade past its expiry date. Indian team has done really well in this decade. It is no one's claim that they are the best, but at this moment no one is. Quite a bit of credit for unseating Aussies from their unchallenged numero uno position goes to the Indian team. Of course, when you add the expectations of a cricket crazy country with a population of 1 billion and atleast one gully cricketer in every household, then no achievement would ever be sufficient. But if you look at it from a reasonable point of view, there is quite a bit to be proud of and lots of good moments to savour.

kapdal
July 13th, 2009, 11:36 PM
Yeah, you may be right....my patience to watch the game also went kaput when our teams' luck ran out...10 years agoooooo!!...moments and not matches to savor???

The moments when matches were being won. And the moments post the matches that were won. Boond boond se ghada bharta hai...:).

Maybe the team started its forward march, when the weight of your expectations was off its shoulders :p

But seriously, the records in 2000s speaks for itself. Lots of overseas victories. One WC victory and once in finals. Lots of series victories. Not saying they have achieved the pinnacle of success, but just requesting to savor and appreciate whatever has been achieved without any inherent bias.

annch
July 13th, 2009, 11:48 PM
Weight of my expectations!!!! phewwwww.....:)...jab ghada bhar jaye toh bataa denaa...
Moments win matches!!!! Right?

The moments when matches were being won. And the moments post the matches that were won. Boond boond se ghada bharta hai...:).

Maybe the team started its forward march, when the weight of your expectations was off its shoulders :p

But seriously, the records in 2000s speaks for itself. Lots of overseas victories. One WC victory and once in finals. Lots of series victories. Not saying they have achieved the pinnacle of success, but just requesting to savor and appreciate whatever has been achieved without any inherent bias.

shailendra
July 14th, 2009, 12:27 AM
Shail Bhai, Being the honest man in the town ,Usually I found myelf medicaly unfit to comprehand what you write is most of your posts. I happen to loose the meaning of what I understood in first few words at the end of sentence.:tamatar:thappad .

My take.

Okay Samar, fair enough; my apologies... maybe I was being too sarcastic about the mostly expected comments from folks on the merits of the game that I might have (not at all difficult :D) made the whole bloody post highly confusing:

In short: Here the thread was started by me in support of the sport of CRICKET basically; the questions are meant to be teasers and/or just 'food-for-thought' comments to jump start the discussion in a particular direction... and as you can see from a couple of my subsequent posts; also the topic headlines for each of the sub-posts!

You mentoned 'physical element' is the worst required for this sport; with the new formats (especially T-20) that is a highly naive view... I beg to differ by pointing at Baseball (the second-cousin to the sport) for example and the (drugged-up) dudes/sluggers in there trying to stay in the game all the etime!... [not a to-be-followed model, mind you... but just as a proof of the level of peak fitness any such sports demnands, that may well look like it is meant for 'baniyas'] You look at most cricket teams nowadays and some of the most successful sportmen ones are anything but not brawny, and still have to struggle to stay fit in this dive, stop, bowl 5-10 overs, field, bat, wicket-keep of a game...

You said having the skill set is not enough, but maintaing it is the challange! Hullo... can you think of any sport where that is not a fact?

The 'infrastructure' (or the lack of the need for it) element was simply to point out that one can play, train, and aquire skills without having to go train in some exotic country at the expense of million of dollars!

In any case each of these hopefully I plan to add to over time and/or expand on... but for now let me just suffice by stopping here!
Thanks for the inputs though.... ;)

shailendra
July 14th, 2009, 12:53 AM
Okay, moving on....

The Physical Aspect:

Cricket and good physique have neccessarily not been associated together in the distant past! At least by the layman... add to that the typical Indian model of a portly-spinner dude doing his wily stuff on the pitch ....and well, the last nail is all but set in the game's physical reputation of a coffin! ...

Enter the 50 overs (and more importantly the recent T-20) format and that equation turns over on its head!... I dare you point out a sportsperson in this game that has been able to survive or hang around (get selected consistently) who was just some portly, weakly or physically not the traditional model of an athlete!?!... Simply not the case anymore! Nada!!!...
One can argue of certain 'talents' of course; but just take a peak at the track record and you shall see my point... they would simply show-up as some 'flash-in-the-pans' here now, and then gone into the sun the next.... forever!

If you look at the recent line-ups and/or if you are competeing against the Aussies, S.Africans, Kiwis and/or even the English for that matter and at that highest level you better be ready to boast of a FIT eleven ....or else, nowadays! (as also the recent disaster at the T-20 world cup showed!... among other things! ;))

Why do you wonder all those greats hang up their boots (or is it gloves) so early when one can, and has, argued they can still turn a good game of cricket around yet...? well, simply because (and in their own words most times) they knew that the body to keep up with the high physical requirements of the game is simply not there anymore, even if the will might.... :(

Lastly, (only on the physical aspect) if one has played the game on a proper ground and the full format (50 or T-20), even if it was some local club competetion etc; I doubt you would even try to pass off the game as one that is some non-fitness-required format!
Because truth be told that is just a lame excuse for the weekend, alleyway warriors, and those desktop critics that have never trudged onto the central strip unless it was from behind the clouded view of a camera lense! ;)

annch
July 14th, 2009, 07:43 AM
Ok, lets be creative, Holmes!!!
May be a layman would catch some stray knowledge on the virtual voyages!!!

...
ps. Though truth be told it could quite be a fun excercise (and great blogging delight for some) to come up with such definitions for each of the team-sports that one can think of giving a shot! What say folks!?! :);):rolleyes:

annch
July 14th, 2009, 07:46 AM
Could it be that the Aussies played bad????

Quite a bit of credit for unseating Aussies from their unchallenged numero uno position goes to the Indian team.

cooljat
July 14th, 2009, 07:48 AM
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Lol ! :D

weight of my expectations!!!! Phewwwww.....:)...jab ghada bhar jaye toh bataa denaa...
Moments win matches!!!! Right?

Nishantrathi82
July 14th, 2009, 09:22 AM
Cricket no comments enough of this, love to watch Federer Vs Nadal now :)

kapdal
July 14th, 2009, 02:02 PM
Weight of my expectations!!!! phewwwww.....:)...jab ghada bhar jaye toh bataa denaa...
Moments win matches!!!! Right?

Yes, moments win matches. But are you saying that matches have not been won? Or enough matches have not been won? Yeh ghada to aisa hai ki kabhi bharta nahin hai...

Hazaaron khwaahishein aisi ki har khwaahish pe dum nikle
Nikle to mere armaan magar fir bhi thoda kam nikle

I don't think there can ever be a point, where we can say that yes the team has won enough and no more is required of it.

kapdal
July 14th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Could it be that the Aussies played bad????

Comeon now, if they win, you want to think that the opposition was not good enough. Australia may not be the force it used to be, but it is no Bangladesh either. Also, we beat used to beat them when they were right on the top. Remember 2001?

annch
July 14th, 2009, 04:20 PM
Since my expectations are high, i would expect that every match India plays is won....

Yes, moments win matches. But are you saying that matches have not been won? Or enough matches have not been won? Yeh ghada to aisa hai ki kabhi bharta nahin hai...

Hazaaron khwaahishein aisi ki har khwaahish pe dum nikle
Nikle to mere armaan magar fir bhi thoda kam nikle

I don't think there can ever be a point, where we can say that yes the team has won enough and no more is required of it.

annch
July 14th, 2009, 04:25 PM
The test series...
Luck!!!:)...
and after that?

Comeon now, if they win, you want to think that the opposition was not good enough. Australia may not be the force it used to be, but it is no Bangladesh either. Also, we beat used to beat them when they were right on the top. Remember 2001?

kapdal
July 14th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Since my expectations are high, i would expect that every match India plays is won....

That would be SOOOOOOO boring. Who will watch a match where the result is a foregone conclusion?

annch
July 14th, 2009, 04:31 PM
Consisitently loosing would be just as boring...right?
Yeah, we watch every game patiently, hoping for luck to change for India any moment....

That would be SOOOOOOO boring. Who will watch a match where the result is a foregone conclusion?

kapdal
July 14th, 2009, 04:52 PM
Consisitently loosing would be just as boring...right?
Yeah, we watch every game patiently, hoping for luck to change for India any moment....


The test series...
Luck!!!:)...
and after that?

Okay, you do need to go to www.cricinfo.com (http://www.cricinfo.com) and check out some stats.

annch
July 14th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Thanks for the link.....i would like to be surprised...:)


Okay, you do need to go to www.cricinfo.com (http://www.cricinfo.com) and check out some stats.

shailendra
July 14th, 2009, 07:56 PM
...The Indian team has been doing consistently good in the past few seasons... and that credit is due to them, like it or not. [really people; :mad: Folks that haven't been following what has been happening within the fortunes of the Indian cricket team's recent past.... should well...probably do a bit of their home-work, catch up in a big way before using 'consistent losers' etc. sorta tags... comeon - not really fair, guys!]

Now talking a bit about 'consistency' here; Understand: the greatest thing specially about this new fast format is that the results are highly unpredictable! One or a couple of overs can turn the whole game over it's head and that is the great leveller in this beauty of a new format. ;)
No wonder formidable teams like the S.Africans and/or Aussies cannot sit back and roll on reputation alone anymore (and so too the last T-20 champs can hope to be eliminated before the super 8's)... :rolleyes:

On a little side note that is related: T-20 was initially being touted as a batsman's game (owing to the trigger happy ways required from them... the boom-boom way) but as the last world cup matches and other games before it showed; bowlers have an equally parallel, weighty role to make (or break the other) team results!
[The Lankans need to be mentioned here who have the most potent bowling attack in the shortest form of cricket and have enjoyed a good run (surely not to take away from their batsmen) based on their deadly foursome-fearsome!]

Therefore this sporty, highly unpredictable and greatly charged format T-20 is here to stay people...

annch
July 14th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Hahahaha....who needs to do homework....an offhand remark is enough to get all the requisite info in defense!!!

...The Indian team has been doing consistently good in the past few seasons... and that credit is due to them, like it or not. [really people; :mad: Folks that haven't been following what has been happening within the fortunes of the Indian cricket team's recent past.... should well...probably do a bit of their home-work, catch up in a big way before using 'consistent losers' etc. sorta tags... comeon - not really fair, guys!]

...

shailendra
July 14th, 2009, 08:37 PM
Hahahaha....who needs to do homework....an offhand remark is enough to get all the requisite info in defense!!!

:) Oh, I sincerely do hope then that someone does take out some time to get you all the requisite info .... (no seriously, I would hate for you to stay in the cricket past... really! ;))

ps. and...uh, by the way Sunil Gavaskar is not the captain of the team anymore...

annch
July 14th, 2009, 08:42 PM
Somebody did...it slipped your notice!!:)


:) Oh, I sincerely do hope then that someone does take out some time to get you all the requisite info .... (no seriously, I would hate for you to stay in the cricket past... really! ;))

tara
July 15th, 2009, 07:17 AM
really..Cricket IS getting boring..

Rugby any day.....
Love ya Richie McCaw!

sudeepdular
July 15th, 2009, 07:49 AM
i love rugby too....:cool: my fev. are gonzalo quesada & malili muliaina...

shailendra
July 15th, 2009, 08:50 PM
...Nope, this is not about the rules of T-20 [neither even on the fortunes of the Indian cricket team in this particluar format; sorry, you gotta do your homework yourself (or get help) mate! ;)],

But is more to do with why T-20 is good for the game, for Cricket!

If you talk to an average (let's say the Americans, the South-Americans etc. and/or any other folks that come from non-cricket playing nations) Of course they all have heard about this game, make no mistake.... BUT then usually say, "Oh but that boring looong game which goes on for 5 days???"... (or, when you try to clarify, "What? A whole day???")... :rolleyes:

Folks are used to games like Soccer, Baseball, Basketball and/or even Football that all pretty much last anything between an hour and half (soccer, basketball) to maybe 3hrs max. (Football, baseball)!

So ok then, how do you compete for recognition, acceptance, adoption on a world stage for the game of cricket which till recently boasted even with it's shortest version (50-overs match) of the better part of a full day!???!
Enter T-20; the game has been conceptualized and initiated simply to counteract that problem and because the International Cricket Council and it's committee recognizes the need to make it lucrative, accessible and attractive to the modern sportsman or sports fan!

So all the naysayers (here or elsewhere) that talk about the traditional (The real cricket is "Test matches") should take a moment and think about that... about why ultimately T-20 is so important for the good of the game and for bringing it to hopefully into the homes and playing fields of the world!

...And after all truth be told isn't it wonderful for a game to be over within three+ hrs. and you have a fast-paced, attractive, charged game that could well go any whichever side!?!...

anilsinghd
September 4th, 2009, 06:02 PM
• What are the things that attract us to the game? (For cricket lovers)


Things like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAKhaJg3Rf0


Meanwhile I did not find a thead on the favorite player , i take this thread for the same. Sachin Tendulkar for sure.

Here is why:

Tony Greig( around 7:47 in the above video )
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.... O he has hit this one miles , great shot!! Ohh , it's a biggie !!
Straight over the top , the little man has hit the big fella for SIX!
He is half his size and he has smashed him down the ground. What a player ! What a wonderful player! .....................
=======================================

anilsinghd
September 4th, 2009, 06:24 PM
And this one would wipe out every iota of any doubt whatsoever! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXRkHervQJc&feature=related



Again Tony Greig:
====================================
Ohh ! great Shot , what a shot , wonderful shot ! He is going for the victory! This is absolutely unbelievable.

Ravi: This is the stuff champions are made of , I have to use the word again and again , because he is literally toying with the Australian attack at the moment.
=====================================

Enjoi!! I keep going back to these two classics.

vicky84
September 4th, 2009, 06:28 PM
And this one would wipe out every iota of any doubt whatsoever! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXRkHervQJc&feature=related



Again Tony Greig:
====================================
Ohh ! great Shot , what a shot , wonderful shot ! He is going for the victory! This is absolutely unbelievable.

Ravi: This is the stuff champions are made of , I have to use the word again and again , because he is literally toying with the Australian attack at the moment.
=====================================

Enjoi!! I keep going back to these two classics.

No doubt little master is GENIUS...

sunillathwal
September 4th, 2009, 06:54 PM
And this one would wipe out every iota of any doubt whatsoever! :)

Enjoi!! I keep going back to these two classics.

fond memories of these matches, April 1998, S M Hindu hostel, No tv allowed those days.
Deewar kudo abhiyaan to watch match, and BK Sharma's (hostel warden), "haaannnn sriiiMaaaan ji, kahan they kal raat??" :boxing

What a (or two) match(es) !!!! :)


Sachin, widout any doubt, is best ODI player!! :)

singhabhimanyu
September 4th, 2009, 08:40 PM
good find Anil. In my views this (quoted from ur post) is the truest best a commentator can be. Tony Greig is my fav man in the box for the sheer excitement he brings. Unfortunately, he's less seen these days. In terms of voice quality I think David Lloyd is very good. I am not sure if Richie Benaud is still in the job, I used to like his accent. But, Tony Greig is the complete package.

Unlike many, I doze off when Geoffrey Boycott speaks. I dont like him.


Tony Greig( around 7:47 in the above video )
========================================

.... O he has hit this one miles , great shot!! Ohh , it's a biggie !!
Straight over the top , the little man has hit the big fella for SIX!
He is half his size and he has smashed him down the ground. What a player ! What a wonderful player! .....................
=======================================

anilsinghd
September 6th, 2009, 06:11 PM
good find Anil. In my views this (quoted from ur post) is the truest best a commentator can be. Tony Greig is my fav man in the box for the sheer excitement he brings. Unfortunately, he's less seen these days. In terms of voice quality I think David Lloyd is very good. I am not sure if Richie Benaud is still in the job, I used to like his accent. But, Tony Greig is the complete package.

Unlike many, I doze off when Geoffrey Boycott speaks. I dont like him.


ha haha ha Abhimanyu , I am sure you would love Geoffrey and Tony together , they really always had contradictory views! Tony used to sya that nayone can doze off if they see how Geoffrey bats!


Temember that famous tussle:

Geoffrey : I think win the toss , bat first , put runs on the board is the way to go!
Tony : Get the opposition in ,take use of the freshness of the pitch , get early wickets , restrict the opposition and then make the runs!



Shashtri does a good job , but yeah I miss Tony a lot , Benaud was good , Harsha is not that bad as well!

shailendra
November 6th, 2009, 02:07 AM
...While this is a highly disappointed guy writing this; India today having lost a very crucial 5th ODI against Australia by a mere 3 runs! A margin that is painfully small when one considers the fact that batting first the tourists had posted the (almost unattainable), mammoth total of 350 runs in 50 overs....) this post frankly is less about the open wounds of all us cricketing fans, but is more about this guy - Sachin Tendulkar...

Look, I am probably not making breaking news here when I say that for long now cricket fans have been consistently braying for his (one-day, 20-20 cricket) blood; but folks if you haven't watched the match today live then please catch the highlights from somewhere somehow... his 175 runs innings (which included 19 fours and four sixes), where he literally took the game away from the Aussies SINGLEHANDEDLY, is simply the stuff of legends.... and I for one can only bow to the little genius with arms stretched out, in three-four qucik successions, and with eyes closed as if in a holy trance!!!

Folks, watch this very game and you shall know what I mean when I say it's the undeniable and irrevocable lure of the game of cricket!

Nishantrathi82
November 6th, 2009, 09:42 AM
...While this is a highly disappointed guy writing this; India today having lost a very crucial 5th ODI against Australia by a mere 3 runs! A margin that is painfully small when one considers the fact that batting first the tourists had posted the (almost unattainable), mammoth total of 350 runs in 50 overs....) this post frankly is less about the open wounds of all us cricketing fans, but is more about this guy - Sachin Tendulkar...

Look, I am probably not making breaking news here when I say that for long now cricket fans have been consistently braying for his (one-day, 20-20 cricket) blood; but folks if you haven't watched the match today live then please catch the highlights from somewhere somehow... his 175 runs innings (which included 19 fours and four sixes), where he literally took the game away from the Aussies SINGLEHANDEDLY, is simply the stuff of legends.... and I for one can only bow to the little genius with arms stretched out, in three-four qucik successions, and with eyes closed as if in a holy trance!!!

Folks, watch this very game and you shall know what I mean when I say it's the undeniable and irrevocable lure of the game of cricket!

It was great to watch the innings like he played yesterday. It was the same sachin which we used to see 8-10 years back, awesome show. But it would have been the best it he finish up on the winning side anyways good luck next time and i wish he will get 200 this time :)

Ahlawat22
November 6th, 2009, 10:48 AM
It was great to watch the innings like he played yesterday. It was the same sachin which we used to see 8-10 years back, awesome show. But it would have been the best it he finish up on the winning side anyways good luck next time and i wish he will get 200 this time :)
Yesterday Tendulkar played Superbly but he had played a very bad shot in last.We need only 19 runs of 18 balls no need to play that shot at dat time.Ye hi galti usne pakistan k saath chennai test match mai ki thi n kal bhi wo hi galti kari.20 saal ka exp n uske bawjood aisa shot khel k out hona.to 175 run ka koi fayda nahi hai agar jeeta nahi saka team ko

Nishantrathi82
November 6th, 2009, 11:04 AM
Yesterday Tendulkar played Superbly but he had played a very bad shot in last.We need only 19 runs of 18 balls no need to play that shot at dat time.Ye hi galti usne pakistan k saath chennai test match mai ki thi n kal bhi wo hi galti kari.20 saal ka exp n uske bawjood aisa shot khel k out hona.to 175 run ka koi fayda nahi hai agar jeeta nahi saka team ko

Bhai if 175 is not enough than better for the team should not play cricket 1 is giving u 175 and other 9 cannt sum up 175 together that bad. Sachin has done more that enough. Yes but losing after getting that close hurts any ways from me turning point was jadeja's irresponsible run out.

Ahlawat22
November 6th, 2009, 11:22 AM
Bhai if 175 is not enough than better for the team should not play cricket 1 is giving u 175 and other 9 cannt sum up 175 together that bad. Sachin has done more that enough. Yes but losing after getting that close hurts any ways from me turning point was jadeja's irresponsible run out.
bhai jab team ko jeeta hi nahi saka to 175 ka kya fayda.hume sirf 19 ki jarurat thi naa ki 35 ki jo usne aisa shot khela.jadeja ki galti to hai hi saala 3rd time run out hua hai series mai.mujhe to andha lagta hai wo

Samarkadian
November 6th, 2009, 11:30 AM
...While this is a highly disappointed guy writing this; India today having lost a very crucial 5th ODI against Australia by a mere 3 runs! A margin that is painfully small when one considers the fact that batting first the tourists had posted the (almost unattainable), mammoth total of 350 runs in 50 overs....) this post frankly is less about the open wounds of all us cricketing fans, but is more about this guy - Sachin Tendulkar...

Look, I am probably not making breaking news here when I say that for long now cricket fans have been consistently braying for his (one-day, 20-20 cricket) blood; but folks if you haven't watched the match today live then please catch the highlights from somewhere somehow... his 175 runs innings (which included 19 fours and four sixes), where he literally took the game away from the Aussies SINGLEHANDEDLY, is simply the stuff of legends.... and I for one can only bow to the little genius with arms stretched out, in three-four qucik successions, and with eyes closed as if in a holy trance!!!

Folks, watch this very game and you shall know what I mean when I say it's the undeniable and irrevocable lure of the game of cricket!

Just a correction for in red- God. Though God Himself commits mistakes like He did in last moments.

sanjaymalik
November 6th, 2009, 12:25 PM
Yesterday Tendulkar played Superbly but he had played a very bad shot in last.We need only 19 runs of 18 balls no need to play that shot at dat time.Ye hi galti usne pakistan k saath chennai test match mai ki thi n kal bhi wo hi galti kari.20 saal ka exp n uske bawjood aisa shot khel k out hona.to 175 run ka koi fayda nahi hai agar jeeta nahi saka team ko

It was fixed, as cricket and politics are big scandals in India, all these are already scripted.please if you have seen the match complete then you can image and find whether i am right or wrong.

Nishantrathi82
November 6th, 2009, 12:31 PM
It was fixed, as cricket and politics are big scandals in India, all these are already scripted.please if you have seen the match complete then you can image and find whether i am right or wrong.

Fix :eek: Can u prove it sir?

malikdeepak1
November 6th, 2009, 12:33 PM
It was fixed

How can u say that?? I watched every single ball of the match. Nowhere did it looked a fix. Tendulkar bawla na tha jo 48 over tai aus ka bakkal tare tha. Just a split second lapse in conc cost him his wicket. And remaining players choked. Fixing hoti hai cricket me but this match was not fixed.

Ahlawat22
November 6th, 2009, 12:33 PM
It was fixed, as cricket and politics are big scandals in India, all these are already scripted.please if you have seen the match complete then you can image and find whether i am right or wrong.
hmmm sab kuch possible hai sir.match dekh k to aisa hi lagta hai warna jo tendulkar itna achha khel raha tha last mai aake aisa shot,had kardi usne to

Ahlawat22
November 6th, 2009, 12:35 PM
How can u say that?? I watched every single ball of the match. Nowhere did it looked a fix. Tendulkar bawla na tha jo 48 over tai aus ka bakkal tare tha. Just a split second lapse in conc cost him his wicket. And remaining players choked. Fixing hoti hai cricket me but this match was not fixed.
malik bhai 20 saal ka exp hai usne to k fayda hua is exp ka jo jeeta naa saka.18 ball n 19 run the naa ki 35 run

sanjaymalik
November 6th, 2009, 12:57 PM
Fix :eek: Can u prove it sir?


A player who is playing very good or u can say execellent and then suddenly, just when Indian require 19 of just 18 balls, played negligent shot and out, he is playing since last more than 3 hrs was set on pich in all aspects. when there was no need of such kind of shot, then also see pravin kumar's run out, ravinder jadja's run out, kindly think about this.These are sessions fixed by storia's in which period of overs u have to make runs and not to make runs give wikect. Dear these are scripted just like movies with suspens.

Nishantrathi82
November 6th, 2009, 01:16 PM
A player who is playing very good or u can say execellent and then suddenly, just when Indian require 19 of just 18 balls, played negligent shot and out, he is playing since last more than 3 hrs was set on pich in all aspects. when there was no need of such kind of shot, then also see pravin kumar's run out, ravinder jadja's run out, kindly think about this.These are sessions fixed by storia's in which period of overs u have to make runs and not to make runs give wikect. Dear these are scripted just like movies with suspens.

Oh that means player who has been on the pitch from 3-4 hours can not get out? Sir a Batsmen needs to be correct on every ball where bowlers needs to be correct only once to get the wicket. The shot was correct but the bowler bowled a slower one which got the rid of tendulkar. Anyways that's ur perception :)

malikdeepak1
November 6th, 2009, 03:13 PM
A player who is playing very good or u can say execellent and then suddenly, just when Indian require 19 of just 18 balls, played negligent shot and out, he is playing since last more than 3 hrs was set on pich in all aspects. when there was no need of such kind of shot, then also see pravin kumar's run out, ravinder jadja's run out, kindly think about this.These are sessions fixed by storia's in which period of overs u have to make runs and not to make runs give wikect. Dear these are scripted just like movies with suspens.

They all are humans. They made mistakes under pressure. tats what is choking. Sachin indeed played a horrible shot but he was tired. You can't ignore that aspect. He was on the field for whole of the day. 3.5 hrs fielding and another 3 batting. Kise ka bhi pankha paat jya bhaisaab itni var me to. Parveen kumar was trying to take strike as much as possible kyuki Munaf patel ko batting bilkul bhi nahi aati. He was right on his part by going for a double. A dive could have saved him.Jadeja was also trying the same but backed up too far. parveen was very new to the crease so he was trying to get the strike as early as possible. He erred on judging the single. No match fixing at all anywhere on the instances you quoted.I would still say it was the best match of the current series if not 2009!

sanjaymalik
November 6th, 2009, 03:54 PM
They all are humans. They made mistakes under pressure. tats what is choking. Sachin indeed played a horrible shot but he was tired. You can't ignore that aspect. He was on the field for whole of the day. 3.5 hrs fielding and another 3 batting. Kise ka bhi pankha paat jya bhaisaab itni var me to. Parveen kumar was trying to take strike as much as possible kyuki Munaf patel ko batting bilkul bhi nahi aati. He was right on his part by going for a double. A dive could have saved him.Jadeja was also trying the same but backed up too far. parveen was very new to the crease so he was trying to get the strike as early as possible. He erred on judging the single. No match fixing at all anywhere on the instances you quoted.I would still say it was the best match of the current series if not 2009!

Dear i was very much aware that no one accept it, but after all its scandal it require to be act in organised manner. All these are justifications if they will not do it sharply then it became be open to everyone. they need to keep up the emotions of this one Arab population also.

ravinderjeet
November 6th, 2009, 04:01 PM
Fix :eek: Can u prove it sir?
laagey raho, baawlyaan key ke seeng thodi jaamayaa krein,thaarey bargey hoyaa krein.

shailendra
November 6th, 2009, 09:27 PM
...The fact that even folks who 'apparently' watched the whole game ball by ball (or did they?) would think it was fixed or something...

My personal view on such talks?
If one has never ever stepped on to a proper pitch themselves and actually played this sport (not the back alley, kirmich-ki-gaind types) with proper competetive settings they would obviously never really know if what they saw was fixed(?) or something that but happens in the unpredictable sport like cricket, just like any other game... not to forget this other great opposition team (not a mickey mouse dhobi team you probably played against) is also doing their homework and always trying to unsettle the rythm and working on a game plan with their every ball....

In short, the fact that there would actually be people who would take apart even an unbelievable (talk-of-the-sporting-world) innings like that simply borders on the 'disgusting' and is but a discredit to one of the legends in the sport! Period.

Nishantrathi82
November 9th, 2009, 11:27 AM
Great Indian team what a performance yesterday :cool:
Australia missing Clark, Lee, Hopes, Siddle, Brackken, Haddin.
And India was missing only Zaheer what a team no consistencey.
India doesn't deserve the place of No1 or 2. They can win against easy teams only pathetic performers.

Ahlawat22
November 9th, 2009, 12:44 PM
Great Indian team what a performance yesterday :cool:
Australia missing Clark, Lee, Hopes, Siddle, Brackken, Haddin.
And India was missing only Zaheer what a team no consistencey.
India doesn't deserve the place of No1 or 2. They can win against easy teams only pathetic performers.
Ye sab hone k baad bhi tu agla match poore interest k saath dekhega.Tere jaiso ne hi to inhe chadha rakha hai.haarne k baad bhi dekhna nahi chodte

Nishantrathi82
November 9th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Ye sab hone k baad bhi tu agla match poore interest k saath dekhega.Tere jaiso ne hi to inhe chadha rakha hai.haarne k baad bhi dekhna nahi chodte

Na bhai aab to bahut kaam kaar diya pehle apna kaam kaarta hun fir match. 2007 worldcup k baad se itna baichan na raha aur iss terha ye khelte rahe to bilkul bhi shook na rahega maaran do susro ko

Ahlawat22
November 9th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Na bhai aab to bahut kaam kaar diya pehle apna kaam kaarta hun fir match. 2007 worldcup k baad se itna baichan na raha aur iss terha ye khelte rahe to bilkul bhi shook na rahega maaran do susro ko
naa bhai dekh liye k bera jeet jaawe aagla.

Nishantrathi82
November 9th, 2009, 01:19 PM
naa bhai dekh liye k bera jeet jaawe aagla.

Hahahaha bhai aab jeetne se kya hooga baaki haan dekhunga to hun he agar kuch kaam na hua to but not on the cost of work :)

anilsinghd
November 9th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Just a split second lapse in conc cost him his wicket.

Even stevens , it's not a batsmen game as they famously say! :)

It is really painful ( I could not work for more than 2 hours after that !!) but I also am disappointed with Sachin, it was not the first time that the team let him down , he with his experience and with his bitter experiences o the team letting him down in similar situations should have just DO it. :(

He is God , and there is no second opinion to that. :)

ravinderjeet
November 9th, 2009, 03:03 PM
hahahaha bhai aab jeetne se kya hooga baaki haan dekhunga to hun he agar kuch kaam na hua to but not on the cost of work :)
sudhro to gey tam saarey par dheerey-dheerey.

anilsinghd
November 9th, 2009, 03:11 PM
There are a few notable things though!

When Dhoni said that " we lost it in the mind " , that was the only soothing thing that I could get out of that match! He was bang on the target , at least he understands where the mistake was.

I am not the only one to draw parallels of this match with the famous Chennai test. I had the privilege(and the pain) of watching the God bat through on that hot andd humid day and again the opportunity to follow this innings of the same God while chewing my nails all through.

After India were down and out of the contest ( 120ish for 5 chasing 271 i guess & 140 for 4 with all the firepower back while chasing the 351 mountain) , the Mongia & Tendulkar ( Raina andd Tendulkar) and then the stupid shot selection of mongia lifting high (caught by Akram i remember ) and here the Raina going high and caught behind ; the Joshi and Sachin partnership which got India virtually home ( the Jadeja and Tendulkar show this time around ) and then the total mockery by the tailenders here and that time as well.

While they say take it in singles if you require by singles , I completely disagree when it comes to tail-enders. They are not quality batsmen and they should look for that one mighty hit somewhere and should have patience for the same. WhileI would have backed Kumble , Srinath to hit those last 20-ish runs by 4 mighty blows carefully and intelligently chosen , I would back Praveen Kumar and Jadeja to literally follow the same.

You have powerplay , even if you solidly mishit you have a chance. PK showed his powerful hitting in first match and has done time and again , Jadeja is a decent batsmen. They should have thought of those 17 remaining balls and said to themselves , even if we score out of 50 % of these , we will definitely win.
If every single ball in a contest is accounted for , we will never have the 240's , we will always have the 400's as there are fours and sixes as well.

And however rude I would sound , I would drop Jadeja straight away, no matter how much talent he has , if he does not have the slightest of brain ( which he proved again by that most stupid piece of running I ever saw ) , he does not deserve to be there.

I am not a fan of Sunil Gavaskar , but I completely agree with him when he says you got to have that fire in yourself , that hunger to succeed. Learn from the God , even after 20 years , he still has the same lil kid in himself who wants runs and wins each time he goes to bat. :)

Alas, but for some stupid display we would have gifted the God with some amazing victories!!!!! Painful , it is!

ravinderjeet
November 9th, 2009, 03:18 PM
there are a few notable things though!

When dhoni said that " we lost it in the mind " , that was the only soothing thing that i could get out of that match! He was bang on the target , at least he understands where the mistake was.

I am not the only one to draw parallels of this match with the famous chennai test. I had the privilege(and the pain) of watching the god bat through on that hot andd humid day and again the opportunity to follow this innings of the same god while chewing my nails all through.

After india were down and out of the contest ( 120ish for 5 chasing 271 i guess & 140 for 4 with all the firepower back while chasing the 351 mountain) , the mongia & tendulkar ( raina andd tendulkar) and then the stupid shot selection of mongia lifting high (caught by akram i remember ) and here the raina going high and caught behind ; the joshi and sachin partnership which got india virtually home ( the jadeja and tendulkar show this time around ) and then the total mockery by the tailenders here and that time as well.

While they say take it in singles if you require by singles , i completely disagree when it comes to tail-enders. They are not quality batsmen and they should look for that one mighty hit somewhere and should have patience for the same. Whilei would have backed kumble , srinath to hit those last 20-ish runs by 4 mighty blows carefully and intelligently chosen , i would back praveen kumar and jadeja to literally follow the same.

You have powerplay , even if you solidly mishit you have a chance. Pk showed his powerful hitting in first match and has done time and again , jadeja is a decent batsmen. They should have thought of those 17 remaining balls and said to themselves , even if we score out of 50 % of these , we will definitely win.
If every single ball in a contest is accounted for , we will never have the 240's , we will always have the 400's as there are fours and sixes as well.

And however rude i would sound , i would drop jadeja straight away, no matter how much talent he has , if he does not have the slightest of brain ( which he proved again by that most stupid piece of running i ever saw ) , he does not deserve to be there.

I am not a fan of sunil gavaskar , but i completely agree with him when he says you got to have that fire in yourself , that hunger to succeed. Learn from the god , even after 20 years , he still has the same lil kid in himself who wants runs and wins each time he goes to bat. :)

alas, but for some stupid display we would have gifted the god with some amazing victories!!!!! Painful , it is!
itnaa haangaa aur kayahein mey laa ley gaa to kimmey ley rahwegaa.yo sabe waste jaan aalaa se.

malikdeepak1
November 9th, 2009, 03:30 PM
And however rude I would sound , I would drop Jadeja straight away, ..I am not a fan of Sunil Gavaskar , but I completely agree with him when he says you got to have that fire in yourself , that hunger to succeed. Learn from the God , even after 20 years , he still has the same lil kid in himself who wants runs and wins each time he goes to bat.

Very True!Jadeja should be dropped from the team, at least now. If he is talented he should bat higher, which I don't think he will be able to do with likes of Gambhirs, yuvis and dhonis in top middle order. A more befitting all-rounder, which India desperately needs, should be given a chance instead of jadeja. He can be replaced by Irfan pathan (I'm not a die hard fan of his), who can be as handy a batsman as Jadeja (may be he can score more quickly) and a good option as a seamer. Give him the new ball and things may change for him again! You need to try others when your first choice doesn't deliver.I'm waiting for Zak to comeback and turn the fortunes again in our favour. He is such a tremendous bowler now. And he has got able allies in Parveen and Nehra now.Last but not the least, no words can be used to describe the iconic stature of Tendulkar. He has done so much for the team for past 20 years and still going great guns. He was and He is the greatest batsman ever in the history of ODI cricket! It was just that he seldom got the support from other team members for winning a game like ponting has/had from Hussey, clarke, gilli, hayden, mcgrath, warne etc. It was his bad luck but he stood firm in all circumstances and proved time and again that he is a matchless beauty!!

malikdeepak1
November 9th, 2009, 03:35 PM
itnaa haangaa aur kayahein mey laa ley gaa to kimmey ley rahwegaa.yo sabe waste jaan aalaa se.

ha ha... bhaisaab fer to aade jo kuch bhi likhya ja se sara e waste jave se, (sivay chutkulya ke ;) ) kyu??

ravinderjeet
November 9th, 2009, 03:56 PM
ha ha... bhaisaab fer to aade jo kuch bhi likhya ja se sara e waste jave se, (sivay chutkulya ke ;) ) kyu??
malik bhai humor pe te saarey haansdey paawengey.er iss kirket(munh kirkiraa ho jayaa se kehndi haan bhi)aali thread pe saarey rondey paawen sein.

malikdeepak1
November 9th, 2009, 04:00 PM
malik bhai humor pe te saarey haansdey paawengey.er iss kirket(munh kirkiraa ho jayaa se kehndi haan bhi)aali thread pe saarey rondey paawen sein.

muh kirkiraa ha ha ha.. :d Humor ka naam jya te liya tha mane ke ude te haans ke log apne muh ki xercise kar le se.. baki jaagah likhya hod to man-mane aadhe log padhte bhi na honge ;)

ravinderjeet
November 9th, 2009, 04:13 PM
muh kirkiraa ha ha ha.. :d Humor ka naam jya te liya tha mane ke ude te haans ke log apne muh ki xercise kar le se.. baki jaagah likhya hod to man-mane aadhe log padhte bhi na honge ;)
haamney to yo bhi humor section mey badal diyaa.ha.ha.ha.ha

Nishantrathi82
November 10th, 2009, 09:30 AM
Very True!Jadeja should be dropped from the team, at least now. If he is talented he should bat higher, which I don't think he will be able to do with likes of Gambhirs, yuvis and dhonis in top middle order. A more befitting all-rounder, which India desperately needs, should be given a chance instead of jadeja. He can be replaced by Irfan pathan (I'm not a die hard fan of his), who can be as handy a batsman as Jadeja (may be he can score more quickly) and a good option as a seamer. Give him the new ball and things may change for him again! You need to try others when your first choice doesn't deliver.I'm waiting for Zak to comeback and turn the fortunes again in our favour. He is such a tremendous bowler now. And he has got able allies in Parveen and Nehra now.Last but not the least, no words can be used to describe the iconic stature of Tendulkar. He has done so much for the team for past 20 years and still going great guns. He was and He is the greatest batsman ever in the history of ODI cricket! It was just that he seldom got the support from other team members for winning a game like ponting has/had from Hussey, clarke, gilli, hayden, mcgrath, warne etc. It was his bad luck but he stood firm in all circumstances and proved time and again that he is a matchless beauty!!

Before replacing Jadega there is another guy who don't deserve the place atleast now he is Vikat Kohli and jadeja i beleive is descent allrounder his bowling is more than a part time bowler.
Why only jadega because he is new? what abt the performance of Sehwag, Yuvraj?
There was few mistakes in the series by Dhoni and sehwag should know atleast after having the such a big experience in international cricket that there are another ways of scoring runs i.e singles and doubles. Yuvraj always lacks the consistency. I am eagerly waiting for Shikar Dhawan playing at international level.

malikdeepak1
November 10th, 2009, 10:06 AM
Why only jadega because he is new?

Not because he is new, but because he doesn't fit in the team as an allrounder. You have got 4 bowling options apart from our 4 regular bowlers, Yuvi, Raina, Sehwag and Tendulkar (not bowling now a days is different thing altogether). Where does Jadeja fit in? I simply can't see a logic behind picking another spin option. And to me he has never justified his tag as a bowling allrounder. Nothing substantial has been done by him in batting apart from one 60 and another 57 in so many games. Aur world cup 20-20 se kisne bahar karwaya wo batane ki jarurat nahi shayad! ;)

Now u may think that he has not got enough opportunities to bat higher to prove his batting credentials. Did Yousuf Pathan got it? Hamesha 6 ya 7 number pe aata tha jab last ke 4-5 over bache hote the. Kaise score banata wo. but he was shown the door saying he is not performing. So why Jadeja an exception? Usko upar khelne ka chance nahi milne wala hai bhai kyuki koi slot khali hi nahi hai upar. So no meaning of BOWLING ALL-ROUNDER (as he is called) in the team. Bowling allrounder chaiye to Bhajji or Zaheer hai team me and both can bat. Bowling hi karwani hai Jadeja se to take an extra bowler, may be Ojha or Mishra ( if they want spin as an option).
I've no grudge against Jadeja, but he doesn't fit in the team, for me, as far as Yuvraj, Raina and Sehwag are there. You might agree or disagree to what I think!

what abt the performance of Sehwag, Yuvraj?
There was few mistakes in the series by Dhoni and sehwag should know atleast after having the such a big experience in international cricket that there are another ways of scoring runs i.e singles and doubles. Yuvraj always lacks the consistency. I am eagerly waiting for Shikar Dhawan playing at international level.




Sehwag and Yuvraj have proved time and again that they are match winners. Yes they are struggling now but no-one comes to my mind as their replacement as such. Aur tendulkar ne bhi to sirf ek hi match me 175 banaye bhai is series me. iska matlab wo bhi bahar ho jana chaiye?? You won't expell him bcoz he is a icon or he is a good player? I wuld guess coz he is a good player and he has performed over the time.

Yes players like Sehwag and Yuvraj should take responsible roles since they are senior players in the team and perform consistently. They have to value their wicket. Every run counts and they shuld believe in this. They need to change their approach. I won't favour their expulsion at least for the time being.

Shikhar Dhawan indeed is a good player and he shuld be given chance. Pujara also needs to be looked in. One more player who I remember has never got a chance despite of his immense talent is Mithun Manhas. Always pulled Delhi out of crisis situations in Ranji but never taken seriously. Sifarshi lene band karne padenge aur players ke dimag te pise ka bhoot utarna padega. Usi time team ka kuch bhala ho sake hai!

Nishantrathi82
November 10th, 2009, 10:29 AM
Sehwag and Yuvraj have proved time and again that they are match winners. Yes they are struggling now but no-one comes to my mind as their replacement as such. Aur tendulkar ne bhi to sirf ek hi match me 175 banaye bhai is series me. iska matlab wo bhi bahar ho jana chaiye?? You won't expell him bcoz he is a icon or he is a good player? I wuld guess coz he is a good player and he has performed over the time.

Yes players like Sehwag and Yuvraj should take responsible roles since they are senior players in the team and perform consistently. They have to value their wicket. Every run counts and they shuld believe in this. They need to change their approach. I won't favour their expulsion at least for the time being.

Shikhar Dhawan indeed is a good player and he shuld be given chance. Pujara also needs to be looked in. One more player who I remember has never got a chance despite of his immense talent is Mithun Manhas. Always pulled Delhi out of crisis situations in Ranji but never taken seriously. Sifarshi lene band karne padenge aur players ke dimag te pise ka bhoot utarna padega. Usi time team ka kuch bhala ho sake hai!

Trust me i am not in favour of Sachin but his inning was ultimate and true he used to play good innings once in 6-7 matches that not good for the team. And as you said that those 2 have proved themself so jadega should also given chances atleast like virat or yusuf got. He has proved himself in that tensed match although he got droped once but still he looks fine. And Pujara, Mithun yes they r very good.
But now its test match time with sri lanka Dravind is doing good in domestic Laxman will also be handy Zaheer will surely make this time so team looks balanced but Sri lanka is also a very good team its going to be good contest.

malikdeepak1
November 10th, 2009, 11:01 AM
But now its test match time with sri lanka Dravind is doing good in domestic Laxman will also be handy Zaheer will surely make this time so team looks balanced but Sri lanka is also a very good team its going to be good contest.

Yes Zaheer is a surety in the team. Rola to Nehra pe hovega. He is in good form but very prone to injuries. "Should he be risked in the longer format?" would be the question. Er ek yu Muanf Patel jagah rundhe baithya se. Itna pite se er fer aa jya se team me. Fielding ke naam pe "ZERO" se jma. Some new bowler should be drafted in his place. RP ki trah ise bhi bahar karo.

SL has a very good bowling attack. Kulasekra, Malinga, Murali, Mendis/Herath form a good huddle. It will be a good contest. Aur sabhi ki performance monitor hogi is series me, especially Dhoni. uske upar bahut ungliya uth chuki hai ab. May be his last chance to prove himself again! :)

Nishantrathi82
November 10th, 2009, 11:12 AM
Yes Zaheer is a surety in the team. Rola to Nehra pe hovega. He is in good form but very prone to injuries. "Should he be risked in the longer format?" would be the question. Er ek yu Muanf Patel jagah rundhe baithya se. Itna pite se er fer aa jya se team me. Fielding ke naam pe "ZERO" se jma. Some new bowler should be drafted in his place. RP ki trah ise bhi bahar karo.

SL has a very good bowling attack. Kulasekra, Malinga, Murali, Mendis/Herath form a good huddle. It will be a good contest. Aur sabhi ki performance monitor hogi is series me, especially Dhoni. uske upar bahut ungliya uth chuki hai ab. May be his last chance to prove himself again! :)

Nehra mujhe bowler sa lagta he naahe but he is doing okay now days. Sudeep tyagi may be the new gun in the team let c. Yes munay is totally lost now, Irfan can't keep the batsmen in trouble by his speed and bounce.

malikdeepak1
November 10th, 2009, 02:19 PM
Nehra mujhe bowler sa lagta he naahe but he is doing okay now days. Sudeep tyagi may be the new gun in the team let c. Yes munay is totally lost now, Irfan can't keep the batsmen in trouble by his speed and bounce.

Bhai naye bowler try karne hi padenge. Naye batsman ko bhi mauka dena chaiye. Dravid, Laxman, tendulkar 2-3 saal me retire ho jayenge to ekdum se naye khiladi unki jagah nahi le payenge. Unko itna time to dena hi padega international cricket me pehchaan banane ke liye. 2 Din me koi player dravid ya tendulkar nahi ban sakta. Board should start grooming new players as soon as possible (shikhar Dhawan, Pujara, badrinath etc).

anilsinghd
November 10th, 2009, 02:36 PM
Why only jadega because he is new? what abt the performance of Sehwag, Yuvraj?

No , not because he is new , but because he is a fool. i do not watch cricket these days but still read about it and take a look at scoreboards.

Here are bullet points why I would drop him:
1) In T 20 against England , he got himself and subsequently team into a bi hole , boy if you are not able to score , get out , hitting wicket is better than consuming 10 more balls and getting nothing. Team is sacroscant.

2) He did a blunder in Mohali by that stupud run out , once is a mistake , he did the same horrible stuff in Hyderabad , twice , I would call him a fool. 19 off 17 with two powerplay overs and one batsmen (or you can call all rounder) at 25-ish should be doable!!
I would not have mind if he would have got out while trying to hit the ball!! Trust me i would have not!

malikdeepak1
November 10th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Most unexpected for me. I was exepecting Nehra instead of Ishant. But selectors kept faith in Ishant and gave Sreesanth another chance after a FINAL warning..

http://www.cricinfo.com/indvsl2009/content/current/story/433658.html

:confused:

Nishantrathi82
November 10th, 2009, 04:52 PM
Most unexpected for me. I was exepecting Nehra instead of Ishant. But selectors kept faith in Ishant and gave Sreesanth another chance after a FINAL warning..

http://www.cricinfo.com/indvsl2009/content/current/story/433658.html

:confused:

Good move he is more agressive but not a bad bowler :)

Nishantrathi82
November 11th, 2009, 09:05 AM
No , not because he is new , but because he is a fool. i do not watch cricket these days but still read about it and take a look at scoreboards.

Here are bullet points why I would drop him:
1) In T 20 against England , he got himself and subsequently team into a bi hole , boy if you are not able to score , get out , hitting wicket is better than consuming 10 more balls and getting nothing. Team is sacroscant.

2) He did a blunder in Mohali by that stupud run out , once is a mistake , he did the same horrible stuff in Hyderabad , twice , I would call him a fool. 19 off 17 with two powerplay overs and one batsmen (or you can call all rounder) at 25-ish should be doable!!
I would not have mind if he would have got out while trying to hit the ball!! Trust me i would have not!

I know he did wrong but why dont seniors take charge(Sehwag and Yuvi)?
I can remember Dravid getting run out i think 4-5 time in his first 8-9 innings but than he roars better than every one. T don't think he need to get droped from the team he may be a bad player but lets wait for another few games,

malikdeepak1
November 11th, 2009, 12:06 PM
T don't think he need to get droped from the team he may be a bad player but lets wait for another few games,

When he is a bad player, then what's the use of waiting for another few games??
Or you want India to keep on loosing matches because of stupidity of this person time and again?:confused:

He is not sensible at all. May be he needs more grooming at ranji level.

13-14 match khele hai isne or usme se 3 isne apni bevakufi te harwa diye.. gud conversion rate ;)

Nishantrathi82
November 11th, 2009, 12:10 PM
When he is a bad player, then what's the use of waiting for another few games??
Or you want India to keep on loosing matches because of stupidity of this person time and again?:confused:

He is not sensible at all. May be he needs more grooming at ranji level.

13-14 match khele hai isne or usme se 3 isne apni bevakufi te harwa diye.. gud conversion rate ;)

Sir pls check again i wrote may be :eek: and atleast he is performing better than harbhajan in bowling.

malikdeepak1
November 11th, 2009, 12:34 PM
Sir pls check again i wrote may be :eek: and atleast he is performing better than harbhajan in bowling.

Bhai mane dhyaan te e padhya tha :)

You, yourself, are accepting the possibility of him being a bad player. I agree that he is talented but he is not showing that talent anywhere. Just showing his stupid play rather. Aur spin friendly tracks par sabhi spinners achi ball dal dete hai bhai. Bhajji also bowled superbly during the Guwahati match. And by no means both can be compared.

Harbhajan has been a match winner for India for long now, almost 10 years. SL me final usi ki bowling ne jitwaya tha. Yes India scored big, but the score had to be defended and Bhajji made sure by picking two prized wickets as early as 8th or 9th over of the SL innings.. his career average is around 32 in ODIs.

Some stats :

Harbhajan

201 ODIs me 227 wickets at an average of 32.97 and economy rate of 4.27

Last 10 match bowling record can be seen here for Harbhajan :
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/29264.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling;v iew=innings


Jadeja

9 ODIs me 6 wickets 51.33 ki average se at economy rate of 5.00.

Jadeja ka bhi dekh le bhai
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling; view=innings

Bhajji has performed better than Jadeja as per statistics above, but more is expected from him.

Jadeja should not be called a BOWLING ALLROUNDER just to accomodate him in the team. Zaheer and Bhajji bat well and they have proved it. Par isne 3 match harwa diye apni ALLROUNDER quality se INDIA ko, career ki starting me e. Aur waise bhi abhi 2-3 match to pakka khelega ye SL ke khilaaf.. Last match me 57 bna gya uski vjah se. ;)

akshaymalik84
November 11th, 2009, 12:38 PM
Oh teri to :eek:......I think ESPN/Star should get rid of Gavaskar and Ravi shastri. They should follow this thread for expert comments and should give chance to my fellow Jatlander to give commentry in a live match(may be a test match for better examination of their skills at highest level).:);)

Carry on guys, you are doing great.

Nishantrathi82
November 11th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Bhai mane dhyaan te e padhya tha :)

You, yourself, are accepting the possibility of him being a bad player. I agree that he is talented but he is not showing that talent anywhere. Just showing his stupid play rather. Aur spin friendly tracks par sabhi spinners achi ball dal dete hai bhai. Bhajji also bowled superbly during the Guwahati match. And by no means both can be compared.

Harbhajan has been a match winner for India for long now, almost 10 years. SL me final usi ki bowling ne jitwaya tha. Yes India scored big, but the score had to be defended and Bhajji made sure by picking two prized wickets as early as 8th or 9th over of the SL innings.. his career average is around 32 in ODIs.

Some stats :

Harbhajan

201 ODIs me 227 wickets at an average of 32.97 and economy rate of 4.27

Last 10 match bowling record can be seen here for Harbhajan :
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/29264.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling;v iew=innings


Jadeja

9 ODIs me 6 wickets 51.33 ki average se at economy rate of 5.00.

Jadeja ka bhi dekh le bhai
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling; view=innings

Bhajji has performed better than Jadeja as per statistics above, but more is expected from him.

Jadeja should not be called a BOWLING ALLROUNDER just to accomodate him in the team. Zaheer and Bhajji bat well and they have proved it. Par isne 3 match harwa diye apni ALLROUNDER quality se INDIA ko, career ki starting me e. Aur waise bhi abhi 2-3 match to pakka khelega ye SL ke khilaaf.. Last match me 57 bna gya uski vjah se. ;)

Haan bhai Harbhajan ke performance last 10 matches me kuch nahe hai zaheer ke absense me he should have the lead of the bowling attack but is too defensive now a days he don't deserve the place team but we people always show old statistics for non performing players this is the big difference between India and Australia.
Bhai acche to Gavaskar and kapil paa g bhi thee iska matlab ye thodee he hai k unko bhi team me rakh le anyways aagaar accha hoga jadeja ya harbahjan accha perform karega to apne aap apne jagha baana lenge team me mere tere kaihne se kuch nahe hooga.
But change is necessary every where.

malikdeepak1
November 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Haan bhai Harbhajan ke performance last 10 matches me kuch nahe hai zaheer ke absense me he should have the lead of the bowling attack but is too defensive now a days he don't deserve the place team but we people always show old statistics for non performing players this is the big difference between India and Australia.
Bhai acche to Gavaskar and kapil paa g bhi thee iska matlab ye thodee he hai k unko bhi team me rakh le anyways aagaar accha hoga jadeja ya harbahjan accha perform karega to apne aap apne jagha baana lenge team me mere tere kaihne se kuch nahe hooga.
But change is necessary every where.

Bhai fer to poori team badal dyo.. koi perform nahi kar rha pichle 7-8 match se ;)

naye balakan ne chance dyo.. ve bhi thode mote pise kma lenge ;)

malikdeepak1
November 11th, 2009, 01:31 PM
Oh teri to :eek:......I think ESPN/Star should get rid of Gavaskar and Ravi shastri. They should follow this thread for expert comments and should give chance to my fellow Jatlander to give commentry in a live match(may be a test match for better examination of their skills at highest level).:);)

Carry on guys, you are doing great.

:D
Bhai sunil doshi (radio commentator) te to badhiya e kar devange :rock:rock

Nishantrathi82
November 11th, 2009, 01:35 PM
:D
Bhai sunil doshi (radio commentator) te to badhiya e kar devange :rock:rock


Hahahaha hambe bhai kaar denge :rock

Nishantrathi82
November 11th, 2009, 01:50 PM
Oh teri to :eek:......I think ESPN/Star should get rid of Gavaskar and Ravi shastri. They should follow this thread for expert comments and should give chance to my fellow Jatlander to give commentry in a live match(may be a test match for better examination of their skills at highest level).:);)

Carry on guys, you are doing great.

No hockey player in cricket discussion pls :D

akshaymalik84
November 11th, 2009, 02:45 PM
No hockey player in cricket discussion pls :D

I played Cricket too but only T 10 matches.:cool:

Nishantrathi82
November 11th, 2009, 03:04 PM
I played Cricket too but only T 10 matches.:cool:


Hahahaha Great JL ke tendulkar :rolleyes: