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Samarkadian
August 17th, 2009, 10:17 AM
Anyone of you must have heard about various daans. I am just curious and want to ask Jatlanders what do they think about it? Would you want to donate your eyes to someone who is blind either conegitaly or accidentaly? I have decided to donate my eyes for young men or women who haven't seen the light of world after I take last breath.Made it official with friends who are in Medical Profession. Now please don't start applauding this effort in que. In my opinion its a collective responsiblity towards society. Otherwise these are going to get burned in to ashes. I would be glad to know who actualy wants to do the same.

VJ
August 17th, 2009, 10:23 AM
i also want to donate my eyes.....:) ....

anilsangwan
August 17th, 2009, 10:30 AM
Even I wish to do so.

Samar bhai, can you pls tell for everyone's knowledge, how one can make it official. Some hard copy application needs to be filled with details or something.


Also, how does the entire procedure go after one's death? Is that someone needs to inform a particular authority or donation can be made anywhere?

lalit_nashier
August 17th, 2009, 10:30 AM
Eye donation

Where and How ?

richi
August 17th, 2009, 10:42 AM
I Will too definitely donate what all oragans that can be donated along

with eyes and i will also write it down on deal papers that the person

whom i will donate my organs must donate them further so that i

become immortal ,ill always be alive:D

samar let this idea be appreciated in a row cus the applaud or the praise would lead to some action okkk!!!

yudhvirmor
August 17th, 2009, 10:58 AM
Anyone of you must have heard about various daans. I am just curious and want to ask Jatlanders what do they think about it? Would you want to donate your eyes to someone who is blind either conegitaly or accidentaly? I have decided to donate my eyes for young men or women who haven't seen the light of world after I take last breath.Made it official with friends who are in Medical Profession. Now please don't start applauding this effort in que. In my opinion its a collective responsiblity towards society. Otherwise these are going to get burned in to ashes. I would be glad to know who actualy wants to do the same.

In Singapore its a law that Hosptial will harvest your all organs those can be transplanted by defualt. However, Anybody can make a request if he/she doesn't want to donate organs.
Further, Person can also declare if they want to give his/her body for medical research after organ harvesting..
There are almost 300 transplants happen every year in Singapore...Process of transplantation is very transparent and its on the basis of First Come..First Serve..

rajivsp
August 17th, 2009, 11:01 AM
God sent me to this world with a mission after completion of it I can not stay here. I got a body to fulfill that mission so How can I donate it or part of it when It is not belonged to me. I have to give it back to HIM.


few lines from Ghalib

Hai kaun nahi Dunia mein Hazatmand
Ab kiski Hazat rawa kare koi
Kya kiya Khizr ne Sikander ko
Ab rahnuma bane kya koi


Daya karne ke liye hum yahn nahin aaye
hamara baap baitha hai uuper
vo dayavaan bhi hai aur
Saamrthyawan bhi hai


Bachche ke aane se pahle vo uske khane ka intzaam kar deta hai
vo jaanta hai kisko kis ki zaroorat hai
aur vo sabko unki zaroorat se zyada hi de raha hai.

Daane Daane pe likha hai
Khane waale ka naam
lene waale crore
dene wala ek Raam.


What are the duties of men.

PLEASE read GOSPELS OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA

Definitely - NOT CHARITY (DAYA)

Samarkadian
August 17th, 2009, 11:06 AM
God sent me to this world with a mission after completion of it I can not stay here. I got a body to fulfill that mission so How can I donate it or part of it when It is not belonged to me. I have to give it back to HIM.


few lines from Ghalib

Hai kaun nahi Dunia mein Hazatmand
Ab kiski Hazat rawa kare koi
Kya kiya Khizr ne Sikander ko
Ab rahnuma bane kya koi


Daya karne ke liye hum yahn nahin aaye
hamara baap baitha hai uuper
vo dayavaan bhi hai aur
Saamrthyawan bhi hai


Bachche ke aane se pahle vo uske khane ka intzaam kar deta hai
vo jaanta hai kisko kis ki zaroorat hai
aur vo sabko unki zaroorat se zyada hi de raha hai.

Daane Daane pe likha hai
Khane waale ka naam
lene waale crore
dene wala ek Raam.


What are the duties of men.

PLEASE read GOSPELS OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA

Definitely - NOT CHARITY (DAYA)

Sir, Its for those who were not given certain things by Ram or Krishan. Obviously we can't wait for Him to get down for such petty donations, so we decided to do this petty work on our own.Although we all are sinner.

Thanks for your reply.:)

lalit_nashier
August 17th, 2009, 11:07 AM
Do we always need someone everywhere who disagree with one's actions / beliefs ?
Common man ! Not all the time and everywhere.

What's your personal attitude towards this (act) ? Tell me/us that. :)

cheers ...


God sent me to this world with a mission after completion of it I can not stay here. I got a body to fulfill that mission so How can I donate it or part of it when It is not belonged to me. I have to give it back to HIM.


few lines from Ghalib

Hai kaun nahi Dunia mein Hazatmand
Ab kiski Hazat rawa kare koi
Kya kiya Khizr ne Sikander ko
Ab rahnuma bane kya koi


Daya karne ke liye hum yahn nahin aaye
hamara baap baitha hai uuper
vo dayavaan bhi hai aur
Saamrthyawan bhi hai


Bachche ke aane se pahle vo uske khane ka intzaam kar deta hai
vo jaanta hai kisko kis ki zaroorat hai
aur vo sabko unki zaroorat se zyada hi de raha hai.

Daane Daane pe likha hai
Khane waale ka naam
lene waale crore
dene wala ek Raam.


What are the duties of men.

PLEASE read GOSPELS OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA

Definitely - NOT CHARITY (DAYA)

lalit_nashier
August 17th, 2009, 11:16 AM
Ram ... us ki to apni lugaee na thi us thore ... ora ke "gurde" / "aankh" ke dega ...

Ram ke naam p ache kaam bhi rok e s log ... bhala ho inka :eek: :eek:


(I know I shouldn't have made this comment but I couldn't resist.)

Samarkadian
August 17th, 2009, 11:40 AM
VJ, Lalit, Anil and Richi..Thats excellent from your side to decide for this. It takes a clear conscience and courage to come for it.

For all of you here is information given below in the form of Basic question about eye donation:-

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#HOW TO DONATE EYES ? What are the steps involved for donating eyes ?
Is it a simple procedure ?


Yes - the procedure is very simple !!
A very simple procedure which can be implemented anywhere.
Call(All India)1919 (all over or the nearest eye bank.
Keep the Death Certificate ready.
Close the eye lids. Cover the closed lids with moist cotton.
Switch off the fan (switch on the air-conditioner, if any).
Raise the donor's head by six inches by placing a pillow underneath the head.








SOCIAL & ETHICAL QUESTIONS :



# Donation - What does it mean ?
Gift, benefaction, charity, grant, beneficence, alms, contribution.

#Eye Donation - what does it mean ?
When eyes of the deceased are removed for the purpose of restoring vision to the corneally blind recipient (at no cost to the recipient), it is termed as an eye donation

#What is an eye bank ?
An eye bank is the link between the donor and the recipient as well as the eye surgeon. It is also the center for dissemination of accurate information to the public.It is an organization recognized by the Government to collect, process, evaluate, screen and distribute human tissue (corneas) to those who require transplants. An eye bank is usually a public charitable trust with several income tax exemptions (80G, 35AC and FCRA) given specifically to collect public funds for the purpose of a noble cause.

#Why do blind recipients "pay" huge amounts of money to receive "sight" when it is termed as an Eye Donation (in the city of Mumbai) ?
Although the burden of eyeball collection from the deceased still remains with the eye banks, the cost of eyeball processing, surgery and hospitalization remains with the blind recipient (barring government hospitals) ..... and yet remains termed ironically as an "eye donation"

This is mainly because eye banking is neither looked upon as a specialised medical fraternity nor as a noble function but as a mere social cause meant only to enhance social credibility. Eye banking is controlled by politics and eye banks are run by architects, lawyers, chartered accountants and ophthalmic surgeons with vested interests (mainly in the city of Mumbai) .... anyone except professional eye bankers. In other words, eye donation has been commercialised in a very subtle way.




#Is there any organisation which promotes the concept of "true gift of sight" ?
Yes. Autonomous public charitable trusts such as Tarun Mitra Mandal, Mumbai and the Ghaswala Vision Foundation, Mumbai, India promote the concept of a "true gift of sight" by covering the cost of surgery, surgeons fees, cost of hospitalisation, etc.

# What is the role of the Government of India ?
The Director of Health Services (Ophthalmology) has certified several eye banks for eye ball, collection, processing and cornea grafting. Together with Eye Bank Association of India, Hyderabad, the Government has laid down clear procedures to run an eye bank in terms of collection and processing. There are a few eye banks in India who have also received recognition from the International Federation of Eye & Tissue Banks, Baltimore, USA.



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What is the role of the community ?
Sufficient awareness for eye donation has been created in the past 25 years. A latent desire to help is present amongst a wide majority of the literate as well as the illiterate class of people in India. However, incorrect and inadequate information has lead to poor response from the community.

For example, the eye bank needs to have an information desk or a public relations personnel who encourages the public to participate in this noble cause instead of giving hostile answers to random callers.
Secondly, the General practitioners and para medical staff play a pivotal role in encouraging the concept of eye donation but unfortunately a large majority are themselves ill informed.


#What is the need of the hour ?
Community awareness and participation to bring about "accountability and transparency" in the field of eye banking.

#Can Information Technology create accountability and transparency ?
Yes. Any kind of banking is sure to benefit with the help of Information Technology... and India being an IT super power can contribute not only to our country but globally by successfully implementing "online eye banking".




#What is "online eye banking" ?
In brief, the entire process of eye ball collection, processing, distribution and cornea grafting (surgery) goes paperless and there after the analysis can be performed across several parameters not only for one particular eye bank but eye banks across the country or the globe. Online eye banking fulfills two extremely important functions (i) provides complete transparency and accountability (ii) measures performance of any individual eye bank in real time.





GENERAL QUESTIONS :

#Who can be an eye donor ?
Anyone can be a donor irrespective of age, sex, blood group, religion, caste or creed.

#Is there a need to fill a DONOR Card ?
No. There is no need to fill a Donor Card anyone may do so if it helps to spread the message of eye donation.

# What are legal aspects of eye donation ?
Eyes of the deceased cannot be removed without the explicit written permission of next of kin in India unlike other countries. Hence it is important to spread the message of eye donation every single day of your life and keep your near and dear ones informed of your wishes





### Do religious authorities approve of donating ones eyes ?
Yes. All religious faiths support this vital sight restoration program.
[ PS==> Rajiv Sir]

#Does eye donation disfigure the donor's face ?
No. The removal of the eyes does not produce disfigurement nor does it interfere with the customary funeral arrangement




TECHNICAL QUESTIONS :

#Is the whole eye used for transplant ?
No. Only the thin transparent layer in front of the iris, called the cornea is used for transplant

#Do cataracts or the use of spectacles render the corneas unfit ?
No. Both these conditions relate to the lens of the eye and not the cornea.

#Does the human body reject the transplanted donor's cornea ?
Corneas do not have any direct blood supply so the risk of rejection is very low. Rejection, if they occur, can be suppressed by timely medication.

#What condition render the cornea unfit for grafting ?
Trained eye bank technicians and ophthalmic surgeons decide the usefulness of collected eye balls. Cornea of persons suffering from AIDS, jaundice, rabies, tetanus, septicemia, and viral diseases are considered unfit for grafting.

What about diabetes or hypertension ?
Even donor with these condition can donate their eyes.

#How will my donation be used ?
After the eyes are removed, they are processed, evaluated, screened using blood tests and then given to the eye surgeon for transplant/cornea grafting.

#Is there any use for corneas which are for some reason unfit for transplant ?
Corneas that, for technical reasons, are not used for vision restoring corneal transplant, are invaluable for research .

# Do corneal transplants guarantee sight to all blind people ?
No. Transplants only help when the loss of sight is solely due to corneal defect and the rest of the eye's mechanism is intact

# How quickly should eyes be removed after death ?
The eyes should be removed from the donor and sent to the processing centre as soon as possible in order to avoid deterioration of the cornea. The ideal time frame is 3-4 hours from the "time of death to cornea preservation". If the cornea is not placed in preservative media within "7 hours" from the time of death, it was found unsuitable for optical keratoplasty (cornea grafting done for restoring vision) according to research conducted by Eye Bank Coordination & Research Center, Mumbai, India and Santa Lucia International Eye Bank of Manila, Philippines. However, corneas from young donors deteriorate at a slower rate.

On the other hand, direct cornea removal from the donor if the preferred method of eye donation in most countries.




# Is it necessary to transport the donor to the hospital after death ?
No. Eyebanks have personnel who will come to the donor's home and remove the eyes. The procedure takes about 30-40 minutes.

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Concerned Weblinks http://www.ghaswalafoundation.org/eyedonationfaq.htm

http://www.ebai.org/html/index.htm

rajivsp
August 17th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Sir, Its for those who were not given certain things by Ram or Krishan. Obviously we can't wait for Him to get down for such petty donations, so we decided to do this petty work on our own.Although we all are sinner.

Thanks for your reply.:)

All the best. I just gave my answer - NO I am not ready to donate any organ of my body.

DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY. Its more important. My intention is not to stop you or
anybody by doing Charity. Its nice. But for me and only for me - I don't like Charity.

downtoearth
August 17th, 2009, 09:57 PM
God sent me to this world with a mission after completion of it I can not stay here. I got a body to fulfill that mission so How can I donate it or part of it when It is not belonged to me. I have to give it back to HIM.



paweria saab aap to naat gayey,,kyu inka bhi jee taroo hoo....;)itney maran ka time aawega itney 2`2 ,,3`3 baar to aankh banwa lewengey ....Ram itni ghasi hodd aankhyaan ka key karega:p?key museum mein dharega inney...

God sent u for a mission and this mission is humanity,i guess...

cooljat
August 17th, 2009, 11:06 PM
Samar, very noble initiative you have started by spreading n encouraging ppl around for donating eyes. Kudos !!

I'm up for eye donation. and for other organs too if they help in saving someone's life or making it better.


I'll be going to donate my eyes and also liver, kidneys and heart.


Cheers!!

rajivsp
August 17th, 2009, 11:11 PM
paweria saab aap to naat gayey,,kyu inka bhi jee taroo hoo....;)itney maran ka time aawega itney 2`2 ,,3`3 baar to aankh banwa lewengey ....Ram itni ghasi hodd aankhyaan ka key karega:p?key museum mein dharega inney...

God sent u for a mission and this mission is humanity,i guess...

Thanks a lot Sheoran Saheb but still I am not convinced. when I still do not know why God sent me here how can I believe that you know about my mission unless God HIMSELF told you about it. May be god sent you here for humanity but not me.

annch
August 17th, 2009, 11:34 PM
While applying for a Drivers License in the US (I guess in all the states), if I agree to donate my organs, my license would indicate that I am an organ donor.

Samarkadian
August 18th, 2009, 09:36 AM
While applying for a Drivers License in the US (I guess in all the states), if I agree to donate my organs, my license would indicate that I am an organ donor.

Yes, thats convinient. It might be reducing the time taken to produce death certificate. What your license indicates?


In Singapore its a law that Hosptial will harvest your all organs those can be transplanted by defualt. However, Anybody can make a request if he/she doesn't want to donate organs.Further, Person can also declare if they want to give his/her body for medical research after organ harvesting..
There are almost 300 transplants happen every year in Singapore...Process of transplantation is very transparent and its on the basis of First Come..First Serve..

Yudhvir this is interesting.One has to request NOT to transplant their organs.Is it?




I'll be going to donate my eyes and also liver, kidneys and heart.


Cheers!!

Thats the spirit, young man!

VJ
August 18th, 2009, 09:37 AM
.........................

Samarkadian
August 18th, 2009, 09:46 AM
VJ and other members, purpose of this thread is not to interrogate someone's faith and belief. If Rajiv Ji is not agree and convinced about organ donation then it his perorgative and we respect it. If anyone by genuine desire wants to donate their eyes, its best and if not its better. No counter arguments.

Thanks.

yudhvirmor
August 18th, 2009, 09:58 AM
[QUOTE=Samarkadian;221066]Yes, thats convinient. It might be reducing the time taken to produce death certificate. What your license indicates?



Yudhvir this is interesting.One has to request NOT to transplant their organs.Is it?



Yes, Person needs to request that he/she doesn't want to donate organs. However, Those people will not get priority when they need organ transplantation for themselves..

annch
August 18th, 2009, 10:10 AM
Hmmmmm.......Organ Donor!!!
Wonder if Frankenstein's monster is a possibility!!!

Yes, thats convinient. It might be reducing the time taken to produce death certificate. What your license indicates?

Samarkadian
August 18th, 2009, 11:35 AM
Hmmmmm.......Organ Donor!!!
Wonder if Frankenstein's monster is a possibility!!!

Anyway,Webling named the questionmark for Frankenstein.There is never too late in life in naming Frankenstein's monster. No use wondering as Frankenstein's Monster had read 'Paradise Lost' which itself is written in blindness induced pain by Milton.

Yudhvir, so we assume that you go by Singapore laws and have settled for eye donation. Thats good Mate.

yudhvirmor
August 18th, 2009, 11:54 AM
hahahah..

I settled for complete harvesting...

vineetaenator
August 18th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Hi Samar

I would love to donate all organs that can be donated along with eyes.

Samar its really nice idea to ask ppl to do it.. Yes it is our collective responsibility towards society …. Keep it up :) Nice thread....

have peace and joy

Vineeta..







Anyone of you must have heard about various daans. I am just curious and want to ask Jatlanders what do they think about it? Would you want to donate your eyes to someone who is blind either conegitaly or accidentaly? I have decided to donate my eyes for young men or women who haven't seen the light of world after I take last breath.Made it official with friends who are in Medical Profession. Now please don't start applauding this effort in que. In my opinion its a collective responsiblity towards society. Otherwise these are going to get burned in to ashes. I would be glad to know who actualy wants to do the same.

ritu
August 18th, 2009, 10:04 PM
just say yes to organ donation when you apply for the driving license or if you have a license you can ask them to do so now.Me and my husband both have opted yes for the organ donor option while getting our license.
Eye donation

Where and How ?

ritu
August 18th, 2009, 10:15 PM
sir you are saying all this bcoz you might have not seen ppl suffering in the wait of a organ which is otherwise useless for a dead person.i have not seen god but if i have the ability to choose to give someone life ...i wont hesitate to do that.its not a big deed to give someone ur organs after death.. i have seen ppl giving kidneys to stranger for nothing but kindness and a big heart.
for me it would be a great feeling if i will be able to alive in someones body after death .

God sent me to this world with a mission after completion of it I can not stay here. I got a body to fulfill that mission so How can I donate it or part of it when It is not belonged to me. I have to give it back to HIM.


few lines from Ghalib

Hai kaun nahi Dunia mein Hazatmand
Ab kiski Hazat rawa kare koi
Kya kiya Khizr ne Sikander ko
Ab rahnuma bane kya koi


Daya karne ke liye hum yahn nahin aaye
hamara baap baitha hai uuper
vo dayavaan bhi hai aur
Saamrthyawan bhi hai


Bachche ke aane se pahle vo uske khane ka intzaam kar deta hai
vo jaanta hai kisko kis ki zaroorat hai
aur vo sabko unki zaroorat se zyada hi de raha hai.

Daane Daane pe likha hai
Khane waale ka naam
lene waale crore
dene wala ek Raam.


What are the duties of men.

PLEASE read GOSPELS OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA

Definitely - NOT CHARITY (DAYA)

singhabhimanyu
August 18th, 2009, 10:56 PM
I appreciate what you said but not the 'underlined'. That could be very selfish of you in a few people's eyes, not that it really matters. However, I agree people who put their organs 'for donation after death' are kind and those with big hearts. This is a very good example of human kindness.

Personally, I haven't done it yet. I might consider donating someday.


sir you are saying all this bcoz you might have not seen ppl suffering in the wait of a organ which is otherwise useless for a dead person.i have not seen god but if i have the ability to choose to give someone life ...i wont hesitate to do that.its not a big deed to give someone ur organs after death.. i have seen ppl giving kidneys to stranger for nothing but kindness and a big heart.
for me it would be a great feeling if i will be able to alive in someones body after death .

Samarkadian
August 20th, 2009, 12:55 PM
Hi Samar

I would love to donate all organs that can be donated along with eyes.

Samar its really nice idea to ask ppl to do it.. Yes it is our collective responsibility towards society …. Keep it up :) Nice thread....



Thats the spirit, young lady! I have mentioned the procedure http://www.ghaswalafoundation.org/eyedonationfaq.htm on this link .





Personally, I haven't done it yet. I might consider donating someday.

We would be glad to know that someday would be reality soon, Abhimanyu.


Me and my husband both have opted yes for the organ donor option while getting our license.

Thats wonderful. This is the least we can do from our mundane life and set an example.

Tally for eye donors till now:

1.VJ 2.Anil 3. Richi 4. Yudhvir 5.Ritu 6. Vineeta 7. Abhimanyu 8. Jit 9. Lalit and Me.

Just 10?

who's next?

VJ
September 2nd, 2009, 11:35 AM
Tally for eye donors till now:

1.VJ 2.Anil 3. Richi 4. Yudhvir 5.Ritu 6. Vineeta 7. Abhimanyu 8. Jit 9. Lalit and Me.

Just 10?

who's next?



or koi badda bhai ya bahan ho teh ....... bata doo ji.......:)

yudhvirmor
September 2nd, 2009, 11:56 AM
Tally for eye donors till now:

1.VJ 2.Anil 3. Richi 4. Yudhvir 5.Ritu 6. Vineeta 7. Abhimanyu 8. Jit 9. Lalit and Me.

Just 10?

who's next?



or koi badda bhai ya bahan ho teh ....... bata doo ji.......:)
Bato dyo VJ nee.. Yoh Khurpa leyen handa hai ankh kadan alla..

lalit_nashier
September 2nd, 2009, 12:12 PM
just say yes to organ donation when you apply for the driving license or if you have a license you can ask them to do so now.Me and my husband both have opted yes for the organ donor option while getting our license.

My driving license says nothing and I am sure nobody (from DMV) asked me to do so ... (neither I saw any option in license application may be I missed it)

Im going to do it anyway ...

(one question though, does it matter where we do it ?)

choudharyneelam
September 2nd, 2009, 08:53 PM
Definitely I wud do the same.....Many times spoken but never made it official.....One day I'll do that also :)