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rajpaldular
June 7th, 2010, 02:21 PM
RJD and Samajwadi Party have demanded that the enumerators in the current census being conducted should collect information about the castes/sub-castes of India’s 120 crore plus population. Congress leaders Ajay Maken and Kapil Sibal have opposed census based on caste, while Veerappa Moily is in favour. Because of differences in the Cabinet, the matter has now been referred to a Group of Ministers which will take a decision. Caste-based census was stopped by the British since 1931, when it was felt that it would divide India along caste fault-lines, but OBC leaders like Lalu Prasad, Mulayam Singh Yadav and Sharad Yadav are adamant that the census be done on the basis of castes, so that people can have an idea of the socio-economic conditions of various castes in India.
VPannu
June 7th, 2010, 05:18 PM
http://www.indiatvnews.com/main/blogdetails.php?id=33&mod=&smod=main
...and yeah..One can vote for all the three options simultaneously.
sunillathwal
June 7th, 2010, 08:20 PM
..... but OBC leaders like Lalu Prasad, Mulayam Singh Yadav and Sharad Yadav are adamant that the census be done on the basis of castes, so that people can have an idea of the socio-economic conditions of various castes in India.
I have a question: if the population %age of castes under reservation increases, does it make a case of increasing the upper limit of reservation (which is 50% now)??
hemanthooda
June 8th, 2010, 10:31 AM
Yes , Census should capture caste info!!!
VirJ
June 10th, 2010, 11:00 AM
WTH ! Any good reason why??
raka
June 10th, 2010, 11:05 AM
WTH ! Any good reason why??
aur sube chhod haryane me apni aabaadi kitni s yahe bata de.......
sirf do wajir iski mukhaalfat kar rahe h arr dono kunsi jamaat ke s dekh le ( maakan arr sibal) aur koi mukhaalfat nahi kar raha . inne bera s je pool khulgi taa fer thaam gaye ......
VirJ
June 10th, 2010, 11:07 AM
Acha is khatar karvavo ho ke. Me to yahi bhujun tha kyon karvana s. Baki exact bera pad ke ke karna s. Almost 22-25% bahot koni k
raka
June 10th, 2010, 11:12 AM
Acha is khatar karvavo ho ke. Me to yahi bhujun tha kyon karvana s. Baki exact bera pad ke ke karna s. Almost 22-25% bahot koni k
jat 25% arr inn bhaapya ki aur bata jinne lathi tod raakhi s ak haam 33% sa ke ye saachi me 33% s ?
VirJ
June 10th, 2010, 11:19 AM
Haha, Koi ni Bhai Raka karva lo karva lo. Urdu achi jor ki mare s
anil_rathee
June 10th, 2010, 11:35 AM
We had caste based census under British rule in 1931. and results are here... Our society was undergoing a social change in that period... Many social reforms were in progress led by our great thinkers of the time... One of the major social change in process was a way towards caste free society... Which if achieved could have resolved most of our social problems... and the most important one "UNITED us as a single Group of PEOPLE"... But Britishers played the game tactically and the caste based census they conducted published the figures of various caste and sent a hidden message in social groups indicating how much they can influence the system if get united under their caste... And the social movement for caste free society got vanished... This time again people with access to education and resources moving ahead the caste barriers... But this is affecting our seasoned politicians. They will never accept people forgetting the social differences created among them in the name of caste... It surely goes against their Thumb Rule (which they got from Britishers in inheritance) to rule the country "DIVIDE and RULE"... Britishers did if for centuries and now these people are ruling us on the same Principle for more than a half century.. No need to name them... whether it is Lalu, Mulayam, Chautala, Mayawati and anybody else , everyone is playing the same card in different ways again & again... Now they are losing plot as level of education has increased and people are smarter than they were before... These leaders want to revive themselves and they are back in action again with their favorite card - Trump Card and that is Caste... We Indian are very sentimental... Even after so much of awareness and education we got easily blackmailed emotionally.. These politicians use this fundamental feature of Indian Public…. They have big plans in their mind.. They will get exact figures of people of the particular castes and will use that figure to mobilize the people of particular castes in the name of different causes.. One of the main issue they are going to raise is caste based reservation… and they will demand for change in structure and percentage of reservation for the particular castes… And we all know how much problems caste based reservation has solved in India… In my point of view it has not solved the problem it was introduced for rather it has divided our society further more strongly…
Also if we look at the roots of our religious , cultural and social developments, we never had castes in the original social structure (referring to Vedas)… We as educated group of society have bigger responsibility in hand to get rid of the ridiculous caste system from Hindu society... And at the time when we are looking ahead for another social reform to eradicate the caste system and have caste free society for next generations where all humans will feel equal and nobody will think of anybody’s lower or upper caste we are talking about a caste based census. This is senseless and will take us back to where we started from… Please think keeping your all senses open wide and don’t get your thoughts manipulated by these opportunist power hungry politicians who don’t care for anybody but themselves and their ambitions… We should not allow them to divide our society further
Lets pledge to make our Society caste free and be part of a noble change… Our future generation will put us in records for the most important reforms of the country we will do…
JAI HIND JAI BHARAT….
rakeshsehrawat
June 10th, 2010, 11:46 AM
Kya ham aaj UNITED hain?
Agar sab barabar hain to reservation kyon?
Samarkadian
June 10th, 2010, 12:11 PM
We had caste based census under British rule in 1931. and results are here... Our society was undergoing a social change in that period... Many social reforms were in progress led by our great thinkers of the time... One of the major social change in process was a way towards caste free society... Which if achieved could have resolved most of our social problems... and the most important one "UNITED us as a single Group of PEOPLE"... But Britishers played the game tactically and the caste based census they conducted published the figures of various caste and sent a hidden message in social groups indicating how much they can influence the system if get united under their caste... And the social movement for caste free society got vanished... This time again people with access to education and resources moving ahead the caste barriers... But this is affecting our seasoned politicians. They will never accept people forgetting the social differences created among them in the name of caste... It surely goes against their Thumb Rule (which they got from Britishers in inheritance) to rule the country "DIVIDE and RULE"... Britishers did if for centuries and now these people are ruling us on the same Principle for more than a half century.. No need to name them... whether it is Lalu, Mulayam, Chautala, Mayawati and anybody else , everyone is playing the same card in different ways again & again... Now they are losing plot as level of education has increased and people are smarter than they were before... These leaders want to revive themselves and they are back in action again with their favorite card - Trump Card and that is Caste... We Indian are very sentimental... Even after so much of awareness and education we got easily blackmailed emotionally.. These politicians use this fundamental feature of Indian Public…. They have big plans in their mind.. They will get exact figures of people of the particular castes and will use that figure to mobilize the people of particular castes in the name of different causes.. One of the main issue they are going to raise is caste based reservation… and they will demand for change in structure and percentage of reservation for the particular castes… And we all know how much problems caste based reservation has solved in India… In my point of view it has not solved the problem it was introduced for rather it has divided our society further more strongly…
Also if we look at the roots of our religious , cultural and social developments, we never had castes in the original social structure (referring to Vedas)… We as educated group of society have bigger responsibility in hand to get rid of the ridiculous caste system from Hindu society... And at the time when we are looking ahead for another social reform to eradicate the caste system and have caste free society for next generations where all humans will feel equal and nobody will think of anybody’s lower or upper caste we are talking about a caste based census. This is senseless and will take us back to where we started from… Please think keeping your all senses open wide and don’t get your thoughts manipulated by these opportunist power hungry politicians who don’t care for anybody but themselves and their ambitions… We should not allow them to divide our society further
Lets pledge to make our Society caste free and be part of a noble change… Our future generation will put us in records for the most important reforms of the country we will do…
JAI HIND JAI BHARAT….
Anil do you read TOI?
raka
June 10th, 2010, 12:18 PM
We had caste based census under British rule in 1931. and results are here... Our society was undergoing a social change in that period... Many social reforms were in progress led by our great thinkers of the time... One of the major social change in process was a way towards caste free society... Which if achieved could have resolved most of our social problems... and the most important one "UNITED us as a single Group of PEOPLE"... But Britishers played the game tactically and the caste based census they conducted published the figures of various caste and sent a hidden message in social groups indicating how much they can influence the system if get united under their caste... And the social movement for caste free society got vanished... This time again people with access to education and resources moving ahead the caste barriers... But this is affecting our seasoned politicians. They will never accept people forgetting the social differences created among them in the name of caste... It surely goes against their Thumb Rule (which they got from Britishers in inheritance) to rule the country "DIVIDE and RULE"... Britishers did if for centuries and now these people are ruling us on the same Principle for more than a half century.. No need to name them... whether it is Lalu, Mulayam, Chautala, Mayawati and anybody else , everyone is playing the same card in different ways again & again... Now they are losing plot as level of education has increased and people are smarter than they were before... These leaders want to revive themselves and they are back in action again with their favorite card - Trump Card and that is Caste... We Indian are very sentimental... Even after so much of awareness and education we got easily blackmailed emotionally.. These politicians use this fundamental feature of Indian Public…. They have big plans in their mind.. They will get exact figures of people of the particular castes and will use that figure to mobilize the people of particular castes in the name of different causes.. One of the main issue they are going to raise is caste based reservation… and they will demand for change in structure and percentage of reservation for the particular castes… And we all know how much problems caste based reservation has solved in India… In my point of view it has not solved the problem it was introduced for rather it has divided our society further more strongly…
Also if we look at the roots of our religious , cultural and social developments, we never had castes in the original social structure (referring to Vedas)… We as educated group of society have bigger responsibility in hand to get rid of the ridiculous caste system from Hindu society... And at the time when we are looking ahead for another social reform to eradicate the caste system and have caste free society for next generations where all humans will feel equal and nobody will think of anybody’s lower or upper caste we are talking about a caste based census. This is senseless and will take us back to where we started from… Please think keeping your all senses open wide and don’t get your thoughts manipulated by these opportunist power hungry politicians who don’t care for anybody but themselves and their ambitions… We should not allow them to divide our society further
Lets pledge to make our Society caste free and be part of a noble change… Our future generation will put us in records for the most important reforms of the country we will do…
JAI HIND JAI BHARAT….
caste free !!!!!! fer aap log in koumi sites pe kyu aate ho , dogali baat chhod do .......
milo ek aur chetan bhagat ji se ;)
raka
June 10th, 2010, 12:21 PM
भाई अंग्रेजो ने जाति आधार पर गिनती करवाई थी 1931 में पर 1947 मुल्क की सीमा तकसीम हुई धर्म के आधार पर | 1947 से पहले जाट जाट था हिन्दू सिक्ख मुस्लिम नहीं था , एक छ्त्र राज था एक सूबा था | क्योकि 1931 की जनगणना के बाद हमे अपनी ताक़त का पता लग गया था | 1947 के बाद ये उगाड़े मुल्क में आये और इन्होने धीरे धीरे ये फैलाना शुरू कर दिया के हरयाणा में हम 33 % हैं | जिसका नतीजा यह हुआ के जो चौटाला एक जाट नेता रूप में जाना जाता था वो अपन्या ने छोड़ इनके पाछे लाग लिया | चौटाला साहब ने अपने राज में इनको खूब लाल बतिया दे रखी थी | नतीजा क्या हुआ फेर वो चौटाला साहब ने 2004 में देख लिया | अब हूडा साहब को भी ये उगाड़े खूब भा रहे हैं | अगर ये उगाड़े अपने सूबे में 33 % स और जाट 28 % तो फेर बाकि कौम कितनी स वो तो फेर हरयाणा में स ऐ कोणी | माकन और सिबल साहब इसलिए इसकी मुखालफत कर रहे हैं | अब यह लोग देश की बात हमारे दिमाग में बैठा रहे हैं | कारगिल में 522 शहीद हुए जिनमे से 324 जाट शहीद हुए थे इनको बता दो जब तक जाट जिन्दा स देश जिन्दा स और पहले भी बंटवारा देश का नहीं जाट का हुआ था | और वो बंटवारा भी इन्ही लोगो ने कराया था न के हमने | तो मेरे भाई देश की चिंता का ठेका थोड़ा इनको भी उठाने दो या फेर यो देश हित का ठेक्का माहरे ब्याह दिया , इनको खुआओ भी इनकी रक्षा भी करो और फेर हामने ही पहले ये देश भक्ति का पाठ पढ़ाते हैं | इनको भी देश भक्ति का काएदा पढने दो |
anil_rathee
June 10th, 2010, 01:00 PM
Rakesh ji as far as I know and many scholars on this site have also mentioned that "JAT is not a Caste"...
And if you have seen my comments in past as well I have never supported anything which distinguish JATs from any other social group... Also this site is media to connect to people with same roots in history and it should not be a medium to keep them in isolation from others.... Though I interact with people on this site it has never diluted my thoughts of a caste free society..
One fine day I met a prestigious lady member of this site and her relatives in Pune..... she must have thought of me as a extremist follower of caste system... During our conversation one point raised was inter-caste marriages and she was disappointed with my view. The bottom line was she was an caste extremist and I favor inter-caste marriages.
The enthusiasm before that meet was very high and believe me we never talked again after that meeting. She must have thought of me as I am not a real JAT. I don’t bother about that..
Being on a community site doesnt mean to be an extremist caste system follower..
Thank you very much for comparing me with Chetan Bhagat - one of the best seller writer of our time. Though I have never read him... He surely has something in his work which attracts youth..
anil_rathee
June 10th, 2010, 01:02 PM
Yes Samar, I read TOI, HT, DNA, Indian Express, Bhaskar... I am just not bound to TOI...
Anyways why did you asked dude??
raka
June 10th, 2010, 01:39 PM
Rakesh ji as far as I know and many scholars on this site have also mentioned that "JAT is not a Caste"...
And if you have seen my comments in past as well I have never supported anything which distinguish JATs from any other social group... Also this site is media to connect to people with same roots in history and it should not be a medium to keep them in isolation from others.... Though I interact with people on this site it has never diluted my thoughts of a caste free society..
One fine day I met a prestigious lady member of this site and her relatives in Pune..... she must have thought of me as a extremist follower of caste system... During our conversation one point raised was inter-caste marriages and she was disappointed with my view. The bottom line was she was an caste extremist and I favor inter-caste marriages.
The enthusiasm before that meet was very high and believe me we never talked again after that meeting. She must have thought of me as I am not a real JAT. I don’t bother about that..
Being on a community site doesnt mean to be an extremist caste system follower..
Thank you very much for comparing me with Chetan Bhagat - one of the best seller writer of our time. Though I have never read him... He surely has something in his work which attracts youth..
bhai m aapka usse muqabla nahi karna chahta aur naa hi chahunga mere ksis bhai ka usse muqabla ho ......maine usko nahi padha k wo likhe s par uske maa ke baare me jarur padha ki uski maa gailya ke bani ..bas uski wa baat attract kar gai na ki uski kitaab ....
jitender_singh
June 10th, 2010, 01:46 PM
Bhai sahab bilkul theek likha hai caste based hona chahiye census.. fer pata bhi chal jyaaga jaton ki kitne population hai har ek state main..
भाई अंग्रेजो ने जाति आधार पर गिनती करवाई थी 1931 में पर 1947 मुल्क की सीमा तकसीम हुई धर्म के आधार पर | 1947 से पहले जाट जाट था हिन्दू सिक्ख मुस्लिम नहीं था , एक छ्त्र राज था एक सूबा था | क्योकि 1931 की जनगणना के बाद हमे अपनी ताक़त का पता लग गया था | 1947 के बाद ये उगाड़े मुल्क में आये और इन्होने धीरे धीरे ये फैलाना शुरू कर दिया के हरयाणा में हम 33 % हैं | जिसका नतीजा यह हुआ के जो चौटाला एक जाट नेता रूप में जाना जाता था वो अपन्या ने छोड़ इनके पाछे लाग लिया | चौटाला साहब ने अपने राज में इनको खूब लाल बतिया दे रखी थी | नतीजा क्या हुआ फेर वो चौटाला साहब ने 2004 में देख लिया | अब हूडा साहब को भी ये उगाड़े खूब भा रहे हैं | अगर ये उगाड़े अपने सूबे में 33 % स और जाट 28 % तो फेर बाकि कौम कितनी स वो तो फेर हरयाणा में स ऐ कोणी | माकन और सिबल साहब इसलिए इसकी मुखालफत कर रहे हैं | अब यह लोग देश की बात हमारे दिमाग में बैठा रहे हैं | कारगिल में 522 शहीद हुए जिनमे से 324 जाट शहीद हुए थे इनको बता दो जब तक जाट जिन्दा स देश जिन्दा स और पहले भी बंटवारा देश का नहीं जाट का हुआ था | और वो बंटवारा भी इन्ही लोगो ने कराया था न के हमने | तो मेरे भाई देश की चिंता का ठेका थोड़ा इनको भी उठाने दो या फेर यो देश हित का ठेक्का माहरे ब्याह दिया , इनको खुआओ भी इनकी रक्षा भी करो और फेर हामने ही पहले ये देश भक्ति का पाठ पढ़ाते हैं | इनको भी देश भक्ति का काएदा पढने दो |
anil_rathee
June 10th, 2010, 01:47 PM
I dont want to comment on anyone's personal life. Even i dont know ki Uski galya ke bani aur uski maa Galya ke bani.. I just him as a writer... And even dont want to know further..
piyush23
June 10th, 2010, 07:29 PM
भाई अंग्रेजो ने जाति आधार पर गिनती करवाई थी 1931 में पर 1947 मुल्क की सीमा तकसीम हुई धर्म के आधार पर | 1947 से पहले जाट जाट था हिन्दू सिक्ख मुस्लिम नहीं था , एक छ्त्र राज था एक सूबा था | क्योकि 1931 की जनगणना के बाद हमे अपनी ताक़त का पता लग गया था | 1947 के बाद ये उगाड़े मुल्क में आये और इन्होने धीरे धीरे ये फैलाना शुरू कर दिया के हरयाणा में हम 33 % हैं | जिसका नतीजा यह हुआ के जो चौटाला एक जाट नेता रूप में जाना जाता था वो अपन्या ने छोड़ इनके पाछे लाग लिया | चौटाला साहब ने अपने राज में इनको खूब लाल बतिया दे रखी थी | नतीजा क्या हुआ फेर वो चौटाला साहब ने 2004 में देख लिया | अब हूडा साहब को भी ये उगाड़े खूब भा रहे हैं | अगर ये उगाड़े अपने सूबे में 33 % स और जाट 28 % तो फेर बाकि कौम कितनी स वो तो फेर हरयाणा में स ऐ कोणी | माकन और सिबल साहब इसलिए इसकी मुखालफत कर रहे हैं | अब यह लोग देश की बात हमारे दिमाग में बैठा रहे हैं | कारगिल में 522 शहीद हुए जिनमे से 324 जाट शहीद हुए थे इनको बता दो जब तक जाट जिन्दा स देश जिन्दा स और पहले भी बंटवारा देश का नहीं जाट का हुआ था | और वो बंटवारा भी इन्ही लोगो ने कराया था न के हमने | तो मेरे भाई देश की चिंता का ठेका थोड़ा इनको भी उठाने दो या फेर यो देश हित का ठेक्का माहरे ब्याह दिया , इनको खुआओ भी इनकी रक्षा भी करो और फेर हामने ही पहले ये देश भक्ति का पाठ पढ़ाते हैं | इनको भी देश भक्ति का काएदा पढने दो |
Bhai ji bilkul sahi aur bahaut achha likha........ Sahi ha ye neta ab desh ki baat kar rahe hain aur desh ko barabar kha bhi rahe hain........ Ye deshbhakti ki batain bolne aur sunne main bahaut achhi lagti hain aur jo log inke bare main jyada bat kartain hain wo khud isko follow nahin karte...... Ab is gandhi pariwar ki koi jaat-dharam to raha nahin to ye ab sabki cast khatam kar dena chahate hain.......
Ek din amitabh ne kaha ki........'' Meri koi cast nahin ha.... Mere baap ne alag cast main saadi ki..... Maine alag aur mere bete ne alag....mujhe ispe proud ha''
Bhaiyo ismain proud ki to koi baat ha nahin..... Ye to badi saramnak baat ha..... Ye is desh ka durbhagya hi ha ki jin cheharon pe saram honi chahiye wo proudy feel kar rahe hain...... Aur jinhain wastav main proud feel hona chahiye unpe jatiwad ka dhabba lagaya ja raha ha......
Meri nagar main apni jati ko madad karna koi jatiwaad nahin ha..... Ye bhi ek tarike ki deshbhakti hi ha..... Jati aage badhegi to des ki productivity bhi bhadegi........
upendersingh
June 11th, 2010, 12:27 AM
जनगणना जाति आधारित होनी चाहिए.
भारत में जाटों को छोड़कर अन्य लगभग सभी जातियों का पतन हो चुका है, इसलिए अन्य जातियां इस बात को लेकर ज्यादा गंभीर नहीं हैं कि जनगणना जाति आधारित होनी चाहिए या नहीं. सबसे पहले हम भारतीय हैं, यह एक अच्छा विचार है, लेकिन जातियों के वजूद को मिटाने से देश को नुक्सान ही पहुंचेगा. अलग-अलग जातियां होंगी तो आपस में प्रतिस्पर्धा की भावना बढ़ेगी, जो तरक्की करने के लिए बहुत जरूरी है.