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bls31
August 29th, 2011, 01:03 PM
NOIDA – AUGUST. 17. 2011

Sitting in the cool comfort of the AC Coffee shop of the Noida Golf Course, as I pick up a ‘Pakora’ and take a sip from the glass of the ready made tea I can see, the made for the TV, Anna Sop opera on the 40 Inch LED TV hanging on the wall opposite.

The disinterested post golf- round players keep busy attacking the snacks on the table and discussing the drives and puts, for them it is something happening in altogether a different world, only the waiters while passing by, for or with the order, give a fleeting glanced at flickering images on the TV and so does the lady, rather well built, her shoes off, feet on the table, on a break from looking at the newspaper in hand or from combing her unruly hair.

All this while, unmindful of the disinterest around, the TV, the audio muted, continues to play in the loop mode.

Outside the glass enclosure, that is the coffee shop, the World of Golf goes unperturbed, with players, of all ages from the octogenarians to kids of 6 to 7 years, on fairways, those teeing off and or on the putting green, concentration written on their brows, oblivious of the problems of the world a few Kms away .

Earlier, I had found it rather easy to park the car, an unusual event by itself. It appeared that most of the regular Delhi visitors to Sector 18, this day had , either showing solidarity with Anna or apprehensive of any un towered incident and with the certainty of massive jams on the roads had decided to stay back in the safety of there abodes giving Noida a miss for the day, resulting in a big dip in his earnings lamented the parking lot attendant.

At lunch time, as usual, the MACDONALD in Sector 16 was full up to the capacity with hungry couples and singles, male and female, thronging the cash counter or munching the burgers and what have you, keeping most of the tables occupied. Outside the AC environ I am trapped in the usual chaos with busses, cars, motorcycles, autos and not the least the, mass of the pedestrians, suffering the summer heat of the bright sunshine and perspiring profusely inhaling the foul and smelly heavy air, pregnant, with nearly 100% humidity, all jostling for space in the moving with fits and starts traffic. And so are the, soaked in misery, homeless occupying the foot-paths, surrounded by the heaps of waste and plastic produced by urban citizenry in quantity day in and day out and sadly ignored by the agency tasked to manage and remove it.

Life in Noida l is as usual, possibly a few diehards, as mentioned by some channel, have travelled all the way to Delhi; to be there, where it is happening, to see and be seen , hoping some TV camera to catch at least a fleeting glimpse of their’s, if not a sound bite to brag about later.
Bls31

bls31
August 29th, 2011, 01:05 PM
There are, as I see, generally two types of situations that give rise to corruption.

One, when one needs a service: A death or birth certificate, admission in school, recording of the FIR, an electricity or water connection, driving license refund of TDS, passing of the building plan or expedite a file directly or through an agent .

The members of Civil Society who got a chance of a bite on TV waxed eloquent about the above but remained , strangely, silent about the Second; when they gladly pay for any breech of law or rule of land: Rampant encroachment, tax evasion, stealing electricity, Driving license without a test that too delivered at residence, breech of factory law, employing children at home or in business. protection money or simply jumping the red light (forgotten for a Rs 100 note) The list is endless.
It is not a nexus between the politician, police and the criminal elements but the collusion between the Civil Society and those with discretional power: they pay and later brag about it.

I have no doubt that a large number of those who frequented the Ram Lila ground did belong to this category and more importantly there were in the crowed, also, members of the Biker gangs and hooligans waiting for there chance fondle girls and to create mayhem, unfortunately for them the fast broke a bit too early.

Will the Jan Loakpal bill address the corruption arising out of the collusion between the members of the, so called, civil society and beneficiaries? BLS 31

vicky84
August 30th, 2011, 06:40 AM
Following links show how badly India needs reforms in public sector.


http://www.economist.com/node/10804248


http://www.economist.com/node/10808493


Too much responsibility on one person(say IAS) makes it next to impossible to give better service to people. On an average an IAS officer has sole responsibilty to administer a huge number of people which makes his/her job inefficient. It is also root cause of corruption.

The colonial model(ICS) introduced back in the time British raj has not gone through much of the change/reforms.

The decentralisation in current public administration is must in order to curb the corruption. Otherwise, its like reinventing wheel. We are applying patches but not resolving the cause. Lokpal bill is a patch not the full blown solution. Addressing the real cause is a real solution.

bls31
August 30th, 2011, 08:39 AM
Small correction . During British Raj it was ICS. IAS is a post independence product BLS31

vicky84
August 30th, 2011, 10:07 AM
Yes it was ICS but same colonial model.

singhvp
August 31st, 2011, 10:40 AM
Only the nomenclature has changed from ICS to IAS. The remaining attributes have continued, albeit with degeneration in quality. The same training module with hardly any change. The same feudal and colonial teachings of segregation from public and the lower strata of bureaucracy are inculcated in the new civil service entrants in Mussourie Institute. This colonial hangover need to be wiped out from their little brains.

Instead of finding faults with those who attended Anna Hazare's crusade in Ramlila Ground, we must appreciate their sense of solidarity and dedication for a noble cause and must join them in the next phases of struggle if we could not do so this time. It was a unique non-violent gathering bringing about historical turnaround in the Indian history. Of course, there is a myriad of issues to be resolved but there has always to be a beginning. Rome was not built in a day. Anna Hazare and his followers are doing commendable job. As Anna himself has pointed out in his speech on the last day of his fast that it is only half victory and struggle is on. Gradually, they will cover the whole host of issues in their strategy but would need our support.

jitendershooda
August 31st, 2011, 03:05 PM
There are, as I see, generally two types of situations that give rise to corruption.

One, when one needs a service: A death or birth certificate, admission in school, recording of the FIR, an electricity or water connection, driving license refund of TDS, passing of the building plan or expedite a file directly or through an agent .

The members of Civil Society who got a chance of a bite on TV waxed eloquent about the above but remained , strangely, silent about the Second; when they gladly pay for any breech of law or rule of land: Rampant encroachment, tax evasion, stealing electricity, Driving license without a test that too delivered at residence, breech of factory law, employing children at home or in business. protection money or simply jumping the red light (forgotten for a Rs 100 note) The list is endless.
It is not a nexus between the politician, police and the criminal elements but the collusion between the Civil Society and those with discretional power: they pay and later brag about it.

I have no doubt that a large number of those who frequented the Ram Lila ground did belong to this category and more importantly there were in the crowed, also, members of the Biker gangs and hooligans waiting for there chance fondle girls and to create mayhem, unfortunately for them the fast broke a bit too early.

Will the Jan Loakpal bill address the corruption arising out of the collusion between the members of the, so called, civil society and beneficiaries? BLS 31

Welcome back after long time Sir.

Hope unlike the people you mentioned at the Golf Course, you have had a good coverage of the whole episode. The team and people linked always pointed out at not interested in changing any ruling party or anything. But only they wish to change the system. So if your type 1 corruption goes due to System changes, do you feel the type 2 will remain there?

E.g. Delhi Metro has a good system and that is why perhaps there is very little type 2 corruption there. I havent ever seen any one going without ticket and get away by paying a Rs 100 note?

bls31
August 31st, 2011, 07:49 PM
Thanks for the welcome. Will stay till my stay is welcome to my Jatland friends.

If two also goes I will be the happiest, I do have my doubts .

Another thought.

The Baba lost because his team was working for him in the fore ground. Anna won because a team was working for him in the background.

BLS31

rkumar
September 1st, 2011, 10:27 PM
Baba proved that he had no gutts, moral or whatever. Shame on Baba that he ran away in woman's cloths.. He lost it forever by his this single action.

vicky84
September 6th, 2011, 07:54 AM
Only the nomenclature has changed from ICS to IAS. The remaining attributes have continued, albeit with degeneration in quality. The same training module with hardly any change. The same feudal and colonial teachings of segregation from public and the lower strata of bureaucracy are inculcated in the new civil service entrants in Mussourie Institute. This colonial hangover need to be wiped out from their little brains.



Corrupt babu misusing power. Giving them too much power is one of the main cause of corruption. The decentralisation of power in the bureaucracy is must. This will not only eliminate the corruption but will also eliminate the political interfere. The bureaucratic structure needs to be revamped. E.g: Decentralisation of power, contract based recruitment etc. Recruitment should based upon contract basis(say 1 yr) in case of Top jobs(Director, Secretariat). Which will give more flexibility to fire the corrupt and non performer bureaucrat.

Finance ministry babu 'funds' his next job
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Finance-ministry-babu-funds-his-next-job/articleshow/9877539.cms
(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Finance-ministry-babu-funds-his-next-job/articleshow/9877539.cms)


A bench of Justices Aftab Alam and R M Lodha issued notices to the Centre, finance ministry, CBI, IFCI and Rai, a 1985 batch IES officer who worked in the department of financial services (DFS), ministry of finance, and also as director and simultaneously as nominee director in the IFCI.

In the last eight years, the Union government (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Union-government) released Rs 2,409 crore as grant-in-aid (out of a total bailout package of Rs 5,220 crore announced by the Centre) and Rs 400 crore as loan to IFCI, which was created under Industrial Finance Corporation Act to cater to medium and long-term finance needs of the industrial sector, the petitioner said.

When Rai found that IFCI started generating profits as a consequence of this infusion of funds and government nominee in IFCI R M Malla was sent to SIDBI, he applied for voluntary retirement on February 5, 2007.

"At the same time, by using his influence in government and on the board of IFCI, he ensured that no advertisement was issued for the post of whole-time director. On April 30, 2007, ministry of finance relieved Rai, who on the same date submitted a note seeking permission for taking up appointment as whole-time director in IFCI," the petitioner alleged.



PS: Thanks to Prashant Bhusan for bringing it up :).

vicky84
September 7th, 2011, 06:43 AM
Only the nomenclature has changed from ICS to IAS. The remaining attributes have continued, albeit with degeneration in quality. The same training module with hardly any change. The same feudal and colonial teachings of segregation from public and the lower strata of bureaucracy are inculcated in the new civil service entrants in Mussourie Institute. This colonial hangover need to be wiped out from their little brains.



Excellent example of IT Management Reforms in US Federal Government:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Kundra
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Kundra)
Management reforms

Mr. Kundra published a 25-point implementation plan[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Kundra#cite_note-44) to reform how the Federal government manages information technology. The execution plan follows his decision to reevaluate some of the government's most troubled IT projects.[46] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Kundra#cite_note-45) Of 38 projects reviewed, four have been canceled,[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Kundra#cite_note-46) 11 have been rescoped and 12 have cut the time for delivery of functionality down by more than half, from two to three years down to an average of 8 months, achieving a total of $3 billion in lifecycle budget reductions.[48]

This is just one sample of reforms in US federal government IT sector. Imagine if Indian Government start reforming
its administration how much tax payers money can be saved with a significant improvement in services. Cutting of
red tape and army of clerks will make Government more competitive with less corruption and more money in treasures to spend
on infrastructure,healthcare etc. Less tax burden on the people.



(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Kundra#cite_note-47)

malikdeepak1
September 7th, 2011, 06:48 AM
दो ढबी फेट गे !


http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/national/general/5_1_8171504.html