Reason for less woman presence on Jatland.com.

[urmiladuhan]

Please share your views.

[singhvp]

Please share your views.

Following could be a few reasons:

1. They are traditionally very shy
2. They are not allowed by the family to mix-up so easily with outsiders/strangers
3. They are comparatively less computer savvy
4. Often they have to be occupied with household affairs like 'choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari'
5. They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums
5. Last but not the least - general tendency of our men-folk to misbehave with them

[navdeepkhatkar]

Following could be a few reasons:

1. They are traditionally very shy
2. They are not allowed by the family to mix-up so easily with outsiders/strangers
3. They are comparatively less computer savvy
4. Often they have to be occupied with household affairs like 'choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari'
5. They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums
5. Last but not the least - general tendency of our men-folk to misbehave with them

Bang....... spot ON ..

[dahiyarocks]

mere jisse molada te dar ja se

[Arvindc]

Please share your views.

Indecent use of language could be one thing that could be shoo-ing away the women folks.

I have seen a lot of instances when people have used indecent, foul and vulgar words. I am not sure whether they use the same kind of words within their family.

[Dagar25]

'Often they have to be occupied with household affairs like choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari'


Singh saab....... I agree with you on all the points except No.4. today's women are not involved in "choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari" that Days have gone when their almost day got passed in handling these types of jobs. Very rare and few perform these kinds of job. Yes old women who are illiterate do these kinds of jobs but "Gobar" work has been given up in villages, leave aside urban. These kinds of jobs were done when the whole time profession of our community used to be agriculture and rearing cattles. I see most of the women free most of the day. Now most of the cleaning work is performed by machines or servants. Here I am talking about majority and not particular cases.

[ashishsehrawat9]

I agree to the words said by Mr. V P singh ji.Women have less interest in politics,social life & other work around in the soceity.They are more inclined towards the house-hold work & now a days girls are more bothered about thier looks & beauty...............No doubt in that

[Prikshit]

Most of them are covered already but few more may the possible reasons.

1. One possible reason could be ego clash between women. It is very rare to see to women agree on one thing. So they prefer not to get in to it.
2. Second could be that they are unaware of the platform.
3. Some comments like "Love you Paa" made them avoid making posts.
4. They are most of the time indulged in making themselves look good.

[urmiladuhan]

Indecent use of language could be one thing that could be shoo-ing away the women folks.

I have seen a lot of instances when people have used indecent, foul and vulgar words. I am not sure whether they use the same kind of words within their family.


And what does this say about our community?

[urmiladuhan]

Following could be a few reasons:

1. They are traditionally very shy
2. They are not allowed by the family to mix-up so easily with outsiders/strangers
3. They are comparatively less computer savvy
4. Often they have to be occupied with household affairs like 'choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari'
5. They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums
5. Last but not the least - general tendency of our men-folk to misbehave with them

What does this say about our community?

[preetikhatri]

well TO the member who commented on the thread today can see the reason,as well as answer in there own comment.
TOdays women is nt jst a material women or limited to chulha chowka only.
n if u compare in total jat gals r much intellegent n educated in real means and are not in need of demoralize others,
i know many SOCIAL WORKERS OVERHERE,who r jst in need of fame,a real social wrkrs is nt in need of name.ACTUAL FACE IS DIFFERENT
AISE KAM DIKHANE K LIYE NAHI APNE MAN KI KHUSHI K LIYE NISWARTH KIYE JATE HAI.

[JSRana]

Following could be a few reasons:

1. They are traditionally very shy
2. They are not allowed by the family to mix-up so easily with outsiders/strangers
3. They are comparatively less computer savvy
4. Often they have to be occupied with household affairs like 'choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari'
5. They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums
5. Last but not the least - general tendency of our men-folk to misbehave with them

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[Prikshit]

well TO the member who commented on the thread today can see the reason,as well as answer in there own comment.
TOdays women is nt jst a material women or limited to chulha chowka only.
n if u compare in total jat gals r much intellegent n educated in real means and are not in need of demoralize others,
i know many SOCIAL WORKERS OVERHERE,who r jst in need of fame,a real social wrkrs is nt in need of name.ACTUAL FACE IS DIFFERENT
AISE KAM DIKHANE K LIYE NAHI APNE MAN KI KHUSHI K LIYE NISWARTH KIYE JATE HAI.

Lot of ambiguity in your post, would be nice if you come up with the clear idea.
You said some social workers, would you mind elaborating on this?

It would be really nice to know from you that how to improve the situation.

[preetikhatri]

SPECIALLY TO
Mr. Prikshit CHILLAR
i used the words
LOVE U PAA.
u r no one to comment on others feelings,and i list bother about persons like.
on the same hand i dnt allow you to comment like dis.
WHEN YOU DNT KNOW ABT ANY PERSON U DNT HV RIGHT TO COMMENTS LIK DIS.
MAY BE OTHER PERSON IS MUCH MORE INTELLEGENT OR EDUCATED OR KNOW HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY.
be in yr limits.
ITS THE PRSON LIK U N LIKING YR COMMENTS,who dnt know how to respect a women,less female members are dere.
but i m here upto my wish

[preetikhatri]

mr. prikshit mind yr own business,everone knows his limits,
i m nt GOD,or to demoralize anyone,its a general thought.
n reality of social workers n others.
i m nt here to answer yr curiosity and really not intersted in any kind of chit chat with person having mentality like you.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
waste karne k liye tym nahi hai mere pas.
jaha kuch seekhne ko na mile,
jaha jokes nahi,vaha mera koi kaam nahi.

[malikdeepak1]

आड़े किबे हो, किसे हो के, किसे हो की गेला, किहे हो टैम पे जूत बाज ज्य़ा सैं... ज्य़ा तै!! :tamatarhttp://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky028.gif

[Prikshit]

SPECIALLY TO
Mr. Prikshit CHILLAR
i used the words
LOVE U PAA.
u r no one to comment on others feelings,and i list bother about persons like.
on the same hand i dnt allow you to comment like dis.
WHEN YOU DNT KNOW ABT ANY PERSON U DNT HV RIGHT TO COMMENTS LIK DIS.
MAY BE OTHER PERSON IS MUCH MORE INTELLEGENT OR EDUCATED OR KNOW HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY.
be in yr limits.
ITS THE PRSON LIK U N LIKING YR COMMENTS,who dnt know how to respect a women,less female members are dere.
but i m here upto my wish

With all due respect I would like to say one thing please ponder over it.
You made the comments where you mentioned "Love you Paa" there is no harm and nothing bad about it.
Infact it is good to see such attachments with parents. But it was you who over reacted over it.
He has(kapil) asked it in very simple manner you could have answered it well.
I didn't see any thing offensive till that post, but you it was you who started.

See here is was more about common sense rather inteligency or human physchology.
If your reply would have been nice, I think no one will ever think to quote something like this.

Still if you felt bad from my side I can offer my sincere apologies to you. But please think over it before pouncing on others.
I mentioned it as I didn't see any of your post after that, it was not meant for any offense by any means.

[preetikhatri]

listen again
i said mind yr own business,
kisi ko mujhse ya meri common sense se problem hai to vo mujhse personally bat kar skta hai,
who u r for advocacy.
tumahri na hi to utni age hai na hi common sense.
or i feel bad about my dear ones not for any stranger.
yaha post pe hi bol skte hai,
mere samne aaj tak himmat nahi hai kisiki itna bolne ki
N I M NT HERE TO LISTEN TO OR REPLY TO YOU.
STOP THIS CONVERSATION.

[ravinderjeet]

मेरे ख्याल में ते छोरियां/लुगाइयां का अनुपात कम से जनसंख्या में लोगाँ ने देखें ,ज्यां तें भी कम सें अर एक और कारण मेरी समझ में आया स अक इह साईट का नाम जाट लैंड स ते जाटनी न्यू सोचदी होंगी अक या साईट ते लोगाँ खातर स | जाटनी लैंड बन्ज्या ते उड़े निरी आज्यांगी फेर "चुगली करण "| हा हा हा ,बुरा ना मानियो कोए -------सद भावनाओं सहित |

[Prikshit]

Jai hind !!!!

[Arvindc]

And what does this say about our community?
People in our community are open and speak their mind. They don't think polishing or sophistication is required in communication.

Wondering, if this is relevant to the discussion?

[dahiyarocks]

arre kham kha lado so...........bta te di...........


mere jisse molad tikan e na dete kisse ne..........

u chorri te bahut se hadde per activa na se................

[cooljat]

I disagree most of your points here VP Sir; please read my views in red.



Following could be a few reasons:

1. They are traditionally very shy

I don't think Jats girls are shy or timid by any means, they're in fact very daring at times and take fight by horns.

2. They are not allowed by the family to mix-up so easily with outsiders/strangers

How family would know that their girls are mixing up on Jatland? Rather this is a platform where they can share their ideas and viewpoints with freedom.

3. They are comparatively less computer savvy

Disagree! Nowadays if someone don't know Computer or Internet .. generally treated as illiterate.

4. Often they have to be occupied with household affairs like 'choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari'

This affairs are passe .. I don't think any family practice these things in city moreover girls are losing interest in house-hold works and cooking in particular.

5. They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums

This is the reason that makes sense. Rarely here girls take part in important matters like these, they generally are indulged more in Love or Romance related stuff like sher-o-shayri, romantic movies n' songs etc.

5. Last but not the least - general tendency of our men-folk to misbehave with them

Slightly agree but not much cuz' Jatnis are too furious and if somebody dares to misbehave he gets punishment without any delay.

Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc.

I know many fingers will be pointed on me by Jatnis here n' I might be labeled as male chauvinist by feminists here! :)


Cheers
Jit

[ssgoyat]

I disagree most of your points here VP Sir; please read my views in red.

Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc.

I know many fingers will be pointed to me by many Jatnis here n' I might be labeled as male chauvinist by feminists here! :)

Cheers
Jit

Very nice reply.

Let's assign ranks to ur points to make it simple and effective for the target audience

1. Lack of Intellectual ability & Attitude problem.
2. Unability to conclude & arrive at mutual consensus, rather locking horns and derailing the topic, and having a destructive approach rather than solving it out with a cool head. Kisi baat ko jaayaz tarike se solve karne ki bajai... dusare ki bejjati karke/tamasha bana ke argument conclude karna yahan ki adat ban chuki hai..(and that's equally applicable to gents also).
3. Insensible post/thread sometimes, that others might not be intrested in. Forgeting that the whole world is watching them.
4. Easily hurt and retaliating then with stronger words and making things ugly for themselves and to the person whom they are replying to. Which again provokes reciprocation with more foolishnes.

PEACE ~

Aman ki Aasha...

[Arvindc]

Very nice reply.

Let's assign ranks to ur points to make it simple and effective for the target audience

1. Lack of Intellectual ability & Attitude problem.
2. Unability to conclude & arrive at mutual consensus, rather locking horns and derailing the topic, and having a destructive approach rather than solving it out with a cool head. Kisi baat ko jaayaz tarike se solve karne ki bajai... dusare ki bejjati karke/tamasha bana ke argument conclude karna yahan ki adat ban chuki hai..(and that's equally applicable to gents also).
3. Insensible post/thread sometimes, that others might not be intrested in. Forgeting that the whole world is watching them.
4. Easily hurt and retaliating then with stronger words and making things ugly for themselves and to the person whom they are replying to. Which again provokes reciprocation with more foolishnes.

PEACE ~

Aman ki Aasha...
Guys,

There is no point in playing a blame game here. There are online forums where female participation is much higher then what is there on Jatland. The reasons you have given are generic and should apply equally to other sites, even if they are true. The problem in genuine and local to Jatland.

Some reasons has to be certainly "Jatland" specific. I have been a regular for a while now and I could notice females coming and going, (males too). The reason why they left Jatland can not just be attributed to "females". If they are coming and then leaving Jatland then there must be something that is driving them away.

One of the ways to solve this is for a female member (simply because a female would be more open to a female) to take initiative and collate the reasons from fellow female members. The Jatland core team can then decide on the ways of positively discussing the problems and finding a resolution.

An immediate step that could be taken (in the meanwhile) is to nominate a "female member" as a moderator and involve her in the decision making on the "reported posts" from females.

I think, encoraging women participation would be in the intrest of all Jatlanders. It would help Jatland's maturity and growth.

[urmiladuhan]

Wondering, if this is relevant to the discussion?

Active participation of jat woman is less than jat men. Jat Woman don't come forward publically and share their views. This trend appears similar to what we actually see in our community - in its public sphere. To me it means education of jat woman is not making much difference on their role in Jat society. The mindset of so called educated Jat men towards educated Jat women is similar to how it used to be when women were not educated.

[deshi-jat]

:p घणा गंभीर विषय है यो तै!!!!!!!!!!




Please share your views.

[singhvp]

I disagree most of your points here VP Sir; please read my views in red.

Cheers
Jit
Jit Bhai, I submit my counter-comments in black, in reply to your red comments as under:

1. Shyness should not be confused with timidity. For example a female boxer may give a hard punch to someone who tries to make lewd advances on her but she may not be very extrovert in expressing herself on a public platform. That is what I meant.

2. Majority of Jat females do not go against the wishes of their family chieftains/elders. There must be people without internet access (especially in rural areas). The male members can go to the nearby cyber-shops but females are normally not allowed to have this luxury due to security reasons. I have seen mothers escorting their daughters to the cyber café – probably to have a watch on the girl’s chatter box.

3. I humbly disagree that those who are not computer literate should be considered as illiterates. It is an utterly wrong perception. Going by that argument, most of our scientists, Professors, scholars and litterateurs, who are hardly computer savvy, are illiterate. I am afraid they know much about PC except typing, saving and printing the files in MS Word. (m sure de no nothin abt chatter-box lingo lik c ya, n, tc, ****, luv, luvin, wtf……n …f**k*n etc.. )

4. ‘Choolha-Chaaki’ and ‘gobar-buhari’ are just desi metaphors. The basic intention was to emphasise the point that they have to do a lot of house-hold work and find hardly any time for coming to JL Chaupal. These things are, however, not affaires passé. It is still a reality that females in rural areas have to do all these works inspite of the fact that many of them are literate. Moreover, majority of Jats still reside in villages contrary to your assumption.

5. Thank you for being agreeable that this point of mine made some sense to you.

6. Thank you again for ‘slightly agreeing’ on this point too. I also ‘slightly’ agree with your belief that ‘Jatnis’ are so furious’ that if someone dares to misbehave with them they are apt to give punishment. Of course, there are such Jatnis in here on JL . So guys watch out!!

[urmiladuhan]

I disagree most of your points here VP Sir; please read my views in red.




Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc.

I know many fingers will be pointed on me by Jatnis here n' I might be labeled as male chauvinist by feminists here! :)


Cheers
Jit

I think the moment a woman comes on board, that itself causes many men to 'poke' her. There are so few women here!!!
I also agree that women here are not perfect either. I also think that it is by continuing to actively participate, woman (and men) would learn a lot about the real world situation as it exists for them.

What is interesting is that the interpersonal situation between men and woman participants is quite similar to the real world situation as it exists in Jat community.

[gaganjat]

No access to computer/internet

[singhvp]

Guys,

One of the ways to solve this is for a female member (simply because a female would be more open to a female) to take initiative and collate the reasons from fellow female members. The Jatland core team can then decide on the ways of positively discussing the problems and finding a resolution.

An immediate step that could be taken (in the meanwhile) is to nominate a "female member" as a moderator and involve her in the decision making on the "reported posts" from females.

I think, encoraging women participation would be in the intrest of all Jatlanders. It would help Jatland's maturity and growth.

It is a good suggestion. I remember a lady member (Smt. Sunita Hooda) used to be a moderator. It is still a mystery why she resigned. Was she made to resign due to some peer pressure or pressure from other moderators?? I remember none of the lady members has ever bothered to raise any question about the exit of one 'female moderator'. Isn't it a reflection of their apathy towards their own cause and lukewarm attitude towards JL.

[vijay]

Guys,
An immediate step that could be taken (in the meanwhile) is to nominate a "female member" as a moderator and involve her in the decision making on the "reported posts" from females.


It is a good suggestion. I remember a lady member (Smt. Sunita Hooda) used to be a moderator. It is still a mystery why she resigned. Was she made to resign due to some peer pressure or pressure from other moderators?? I remember none of the lady members has ever bothered to raise any question about the exit of one 'female moderator'. Isn't it a reflection of their apathy towards their own cause and lukewarm attitude towards JL.

I don't think that nominating a Female Member as a Moderator would make any difference.
There was a time time when more than one moderators were females but still female participation in the forums was almost negligible.



What is interesting is that the interpersonal situation between men and woman participants is quite similar to the real world situation as it exists in Jat community.

Bang on.
The virtual world reflets like the REAL world.

[vijay123]

Following could be a few reasons:
5. They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums


I believe this is the only reason. Women in general (irrespective of jat / non jat) are not interested in such topics. You will seldom find two woman discussing these topics whereas men when together could easily end up discussing these. Even if you look at politics, there are very less woman compared to man in parliament and other bodies. I am sure even similar forums of other communities wont be having an encouraging picture as such.

[Bisky]

[QUOTE=vpsingh;282773]Jit Bhai, I submit my counter-comments in black, in reply to your red comments as under:
3. I humbly disagree that those who are not computer literate should be considered as illiterates. It is an utterly wrong perception. Going by that argument, most of our scientists, Professors, scholars and litterateurs, who are hardly computer savvy, are illiterate. I am afraid they know much about PC except typing, saving and printing the files in MS Word. (m sure de no nothin abt chatter-box lingo lik c ya, n, tc, ****, luv, luvin, wtf……n …f**k*n etc.. )

Dear Singh Saahb
I m completely agree with U.
So far as I am concerned, I've been using the computer from the last 8-9 years. I've been the proud owner of the PC from the last 8-9 years. I am a freelancer translator and professionally doing the job work from the last 4 years. Obviously, I've an internet connection and it is 4 yrs old too. The main thing is that I don't have any knowledge about that particular glossary which U mentioned above(c ya, n, tc, ****, luv, luvin, wtf……n …f**k*n etc...). Though I face it many times. And personally, I don't want to know it. So your reply to Mr. cooljat seems very logical to me, personally.

[ygulia]

The topic was started without any input from the person who initiated it. Mr. VP Singh gave some input but some members diverted the topic. It is very strange to note that instead of putting the topic back on track the person who initiated this topic got entangled with those persons who derailed the topic. As per my understanding the major reason for lack of active membership and participation by female members is at sr. 5 of Mr. VP Singh comments which could be reproduced as under:
They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums

I would like to mention here that female members also misbehave here and it has happened with me. Instead of responding to her comments I kept quite. I had been very active on this site a couple of years ago. I lost interest because majority of members on this forum participate in jokes and fun related topics. If they start any topic then they do not monitor it, provide feedback, summarise and conclude it. Current topic is a good example of it.

[AbhikRana]

Besides the other very valid points raised by fellow members, I think one very important point raised by Ravinder Jeet is that of the increasingly Skewed sex ratio in the northern belt (especially among Jats). It is becoming rare to hear that any Jat family in the neighbourhood/family or friend circle has been blessed with a baby girl. More often than not, it is a Baby Boy. Educated and urban families are gradually turning into two-son families.

[drkarminder]

.....i think d women's comments already in this thread r showing y there r less women on JL...
when u ask them ,they say they r very modern...nd when sm shares smthing that a modern women can accept..they react on it....
nd when u suggest nt to use react on smone or fight then they start reacting on u....
actually d intention of starting this thread only shows ,y women r less on JL...
WHENEVR I SEE ANY WOMEN'S COMMENT ON JL.. ,I FIND IT REACTING ON SM ONE...

example :
urmila ji abusing mother nd sister to 1 writer..

comment by me: urmila ji . plz dont be bad at words...the thread is not so dirty that u hv to go to d extent of abusing the writer....he might hv seen it useful nd shared it..thats all..i dont think he had any intention of disturbing anybody

urmila ji comment : Kindly mind your words and language - don't put words in my mouth. Sick people!

i was really shocked.i again read my post nd didnt find anything wrong.. nd wd one reqest of nt to use bad words, she commented me as sick person..
in fact i m finding women post r more abusing ng provoking on JL than men..without any relevant discussion..

[singhvp]

The topic was started without any input from the person who initiated it.

I would like to mention here that female members also misbehave here and it has happened with me. topic .
Mr. Gulia has rightly observed that some female members also misbehave with their male counterparts. Ironically, some females are active members of some fringe groups of JL with a manifesto of creating some nuisance value and some gullible girls/ladies have been working on the behest of ring masters. At times, some female members react in an abrasive manner to innocuous comments. Except for a very few wayward philistines, most of the boys are innocent and respectful towards elders and ladies. However, some of them may not be very articulate in their expressions but that cannot be construed as misbehaviour. It becomes incumbent on the female members also to show some maturity and not to over-react at slight provocations.

Sometimes even some 'pretty women' give 'unpretty' remarks unmatched to their profile.

[rakeshsehrawat]

मेरे हिसाब से जाट समाज थोडा सा संकीर्ण ही रहा है ! शुरू से हमें अपने जज्बात दबाने की आदत है ! जाट का कोए छोरा कितना इ सुथरा क्यूँ ना रहया हो फ्लर्ट कम ए पावेगा !फ्लर्ट छोड़ो बहुत कम हैं जिनकी गर्लफ्रेंड रही होंगी ! कारण पहला तो वोहे थप्पड़ के बदले घुसंड आला, दूसरा लावा लुतरी/चापलूसी कम ए आवे है, तीसरा जे भूले भटके तें किसे छोरी तें बात करता किसे दोस्त ने देख लिया तो उड़े सीटी बाजन लग ज्या हैं ! यू ए हाल कम बत्ती छोरियां का है एब आ गया इन्टरनेट तो जाट छोरो के मन के दबे हुए जज्बात उभर कर सामने आने लगे ! इब पेकिंग ए बदली है भीतर आला सौदा तो वोहे है ! जाटनी सुने कोणी अर जाटराम सुनाये बिना मने कोनी ! इब छोरी इसे मौके पे माडी सी नीची खिंच जावे है वा कहावत समझ के " सूअर से लड़ो दोनों गंदे होवो पर सिर्फ वही उसे एन्जॉय करेगा" ! कई बार गुस्से में वो जाटलैंड छोड़ के चली जाती हैं ! वो लड़कियां जो शादीशुदा नहीं हैं उन्हें इन्टरनेट की सुविधा कम ही उपलब्ध है और जो शादीशुदा हैं उनके पास इन्टरनेट पर आने का टाइम नहीं! वैसे नारी अब इतनी अबला नहीं की आप कुछ भी कह दें और वो सह जाएगी पर सिर्फ वो अपने आप को गन्दगी से बचाने की कोशिश करती हैं !

कहन का जाट ने नहीं बेरा अर सुणन की आदत जाटनी ने नहीं

[singhvp]

What does this say about our community?

We are not discussing here the community at large. Hence no comments.

[amankadian]

मेरे हिसाब से जाट समाज थोडा सा संकीर्ण ही रहा है ! शुरू से हमें अपने जज्बात दबाने की आदत है ! जाट का कोए छोरा कितना इ सुथरा क्यूँ ना रहया हो फ्लर्ट कम ए पावेगा !फ्लर्ट छोड़ो बहुत कम हैं जिनकी गर्लफ्रेंड रही होंगी ! कारण पहला तो वोहे थप्पड़ के बदले घुसंड आला, दूसरा लावा लुतरी/चापलूसी कम ए आवे है, तीसरा जे भूले भटके तें किसे छोरी तें बात करता किसे दोस्त ने देख लिया तो उड़े सीटी बाजन लग ज्या हैं ! यू ए हाल कम बत्ती छोरियां का है एब आ गया इन्टरनेट तो जाट छोरो के मन के दबे हुए जज्बात उभर कर सामने आने लगे ! इब पेकिंग ए बदली है भीतर आला सौदा तो वोहे है ! जाटनी सुने कोणी अर जाटराम सुनाये बिना मने कोनी ! इब छोरी इसे मौके पे माडी सी नीची खिंच जावे है वा कहावत समझ के " सूअर से लड़ो दोनों गंदे होवो पर सिर्फ वही उसे एन्जॉय करेगा" ! कई बार गुस्से में वो जाटलैंड छोड़ के चली जाती हैं ! वो लड़कियां जो शादीशुदा नहीं हैं उन्हें इन्टरनेट की सुविधा कम ही उपलब्ध है और जो शादीशुदा हैं उनके पास इन्टरनेट पर आने का टाइम नहीं! वैसे नारी अब इतनी अबला नहीं की आप कुछ भी कह दें और वो सह जाएगी पर सिर्फ वो अपने आप को गन्दगी से बचाने की कोशिश करती हैं !

कहन का जाट ने नहीं बेरा अर सुणन की आदत जाटनी ने नहीं

sahi kha bhai-shaab aapne ....................Hooda te khe ke Internet ki suvidha bhi uplad karwa do sabne bhai ji

[navdeepkhatkar]

मेरे हिसाब से जाट समाज थोडा सा संकीर्ण ही रहा है ! शुरू से हमें अपने जज्बात दबाने की आदत है ! जाट का कोए छोरा कितना इ सुथरा क्यूँ ना रहया हो फ्लर्ट कम ए पावेगा !फ्लर्ट छोड़ो बहुत कम हैं जिनकी गर्लफ्रेंड रही होंगी ! कारण पहला तो वोहे थप्पड़ के बदले घुसंड आला, दूसरा लावा लुतरी/चापलूसी कम ए आवे है, तीसरा जे भूले भटके तें किसे छोरी तें बात करता किसे दोस्त ने देख लिया तो उड़े सीटी बाजन लग ज्या हैं ! यू ए हाल कम बत्ती छोरियां का है एब आ गया इन्टरनेट तो जाट छोरो के मन के दबे हुए जज्बात उभर कर सामने आने लगे ! इब पेकिंग ए बदली है भीतर आला सौदा तो वोहे है ! जाटनी सुने कोणी अर जाटराम सुनाये बिना मने कोनी ! इब छोरी इसे मौके पे माडी सी नीची खिंच जावे है वा कहावत समझ के " सूअर से लड़ो दोनों गंदे होवो पर सिर्फ वही उसे एन्जॉय करेगा" ! कई बार गुस्से में वो जाटलैंड छोड़ के चली जाती हैं ! वो लड़कियां जो शादीशुदा नहीं हैं उन्हें इन्टरनेट की सुविधा कम ही उपलब्ध है और जो शादीशुदा हैं उनके पास इन्टरनेट पर आने का टाइम नहीं! वैसे नारी अब इतनी अबला नहीं की आप कुछ भी कह दें और वो सह जाएगी पर सिर्फ वो अपने आप को गन्दगी से बचाने की कोशिश करती हैं !

कहन का जाट ने नहीं बेरा अर सुणन की आदत जाटनी ने नहीं

hmm .. very aptly said ...
rakesh ji aapne pahle bhi kisi thread me aisa kuch likh tha .. that was quite practical and straight forward talk.
i liked it ...
chori JL par aa kar bhi kar kare .. ek baar profile bana nahi ki profile visit 1 hafte me hi 500 cross kar jati h ... .. or har koi Fraaaandship request bhej de h :):)

[amankadian]

hmm .. very aptly said ...
rakesh ji aapne pahle bhi kisi thread me aisa kuch likh tha .. that was quite practical and straight forward talk.
i liked it ...
chori JL par aa kar bhi kar kare .. ek baar profile bana nahi ki profile visit 1 hafte me hi 500 cross kar jati h ... .. or har koi Fraaaandship request bhej de h :):)

To hi ana chiye bhai shaab dekho kitni demand hai yha pe ab...........................................:rock

[navdeepkhatkar]

To hi ana chiye bhai shaab dekho kitni demand hai yha pe ab...........................................:rock

isssi liye to Public demand par yo tagaa shuru karvaya h .. :):)

[amankadian]

isssi liye to Public demand par yo tagaa shuru karvaya h .. :):)

Muje to 2-3 active female users dikati hai pure jatland pe ....................................muje lagta aaj kal ki ladkiya Facebook ne gana passand hai.
ude unke friend pawe sa 100+ .. jismain punjabi gane ho sa or jaat sirf ek ya do :rock

[ravinderjeet]

Muje to 2-3 active female users dikati hai pure jatland pe ....................................muje lagta aaj kal ki ladkiya Facebook ne gana passand hai.
ude unke friend pawe sa 100+ .. jismain punjabi gane ho sa or jaat sirf ek ya do :rock

ये चापलूस चीचड हों सें | अर लुगाइयां ने इस्से-इस्से-ए पसंद आया करें ,बिना रीढ़ के गंडेवे |

[amankadian]

ये चापलूस चीचड हों सें | अर लुगाइयां ने इस्से-इस्से-ए पसंद आया करें ,बिना रीढ़ के गंडेवे |

Katti jama ek number ki baat khi aapne ....gana jhoota or meetha bolen alla in ne passand awe sa jo unki jhooti -jhooti tarif kare ja se

[rakeshsehrawat]

ये चापलूस चीचड हों सें | अर लुगाइयां ने इस्से-इस्से-ए पसंद आया करें ,बिना रीढ़ के गंडेवे |


Sahi jawab "Reason for less women presence on jatland."
Koi bhi wahin jayega jahan use uski pasand ki cheej milegi. Aurat koi bhi ho apnee tareef hi karwana pasand karegi na ki be izzati.

So Demand and supply here plays an important role What females 12994demand is not supplied here12993

[amankadian]

Sahi jawab "Reason for less women presence on jatland."
Koi bhi wahin jayega jahan use uski pasand ki cheej milegi. Aurat koi bhi ho apnee tareef hi karwana pasand karegi na ki be izzati.

So Demand and supply here plays an important role What females 12994demand is not supplied here12993 matrimonials per kafi active rhe se bhai shaab

[malikseema]

नमस्कार सभी को....
आप सभी यहाँ लड़कियों की परस्पर साझीदारी की बात कर रहे हैं....पर मुझे लगता है आधी बातें तव वहीँ ख़तम हो जाती हैं जब यहाँ विचारों को लड़कियों और लड़कों की बातों में वर्गीकृत कर दिया जाता है.......और रही बात महिलाओं की बुद्धि की तो पुरुष समझते हैं की बुद्धि केवल उनकी ही पूंजी है .यहाँ किसी ने लिखा है की ...."1. One possible reason could be ego clash between women. It is very rare to see to women agree on one thing. So they prefer not to get in to it. & 4. They are most of the time indulged in making themselves look good. .....तो इसका जवाब मेरे अनुसार ये है की.....'एगो" टकराव तो पुरुषों के बीच ज्यादा होता है , महिलाएं तो परस्पर वैचारिक मेलजोल बना कर चलती हैं और इसका प्रमाण तो देने की जरुरत ही नही है !रही बात खुद को सुन्दर दिखाने की तो लड़के आजकल लड़कियों से आगे ही हैं खुद को "लुक गुड "करने के चक्कर में !! "जाटनी लैंड बन्ज्या ते उड़े निरी आज्यांगी फेर "चुगली करण "| ....इसका ते क्या जवाब हो सके है या ते इन्सान की प्रकृति है दूसरों के बारे में बात करना ...पुरुष करे तो संवाद बन जा है अर्र महिला करे तो चुगली हो जा है !"Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc. ".......बोधिक ज्ञान की की कमी का क्या पैमाना है ये तो आप ही जाने मान्येवर...पर मुझे समझ नही आता की महिला पुरुषों से कहीं न कहीं आगे ही है उच्च शिक्षा के शेत्र में फिर भी हम में ज्ञान की कमी है ....ये तो समझ से परे है मेरे !
4. Easily hurt and retaliating then with stronger words and making things ugly for themselves and to the person whom they are replying to. Which again provokes reciprocation with more foolishnes....... जाटलैंड की बात की जाये ,अगर कोई लड़का किसी लड़की असभ्य मेसेज भेजे या बार बार परेशान करे मना करने के बावजूद ...इस्सपर वो लड़की अगर उससे कुछ बुरा कह दे ( बुरा मतलब सरे आम चौपाल में (जो पहले होता था) या किसी forum पर तो वो ओवर रेअक्ट करती है .....और लड़के सरेआम गाली दें दें या महिलों में अकल नही होती ,ये तो सिर्फ यहाँ टाइम पास करने आती हैं , या किसी forum पर किसी और जाति की महिलाओं का रेप कर दो ....वो सब ठीक है ,वह क्या पैमाना है ओवर रेअक्टशुन मापने का !
vpsingh जी ....की कही हुई बात तर्क संगत हैं .... में मानती हूँ ,की महिलाएं थोड़ी सी जज्ज्बती होती हैं और जल्दी रेअक्ट करती हैं पर इसका मतलब ये नही है की वो बेवकूफ हुई ..... में कोई पुरूषों के खिलाफ नही हूँ ....में समभावना में विश्वास रखती हूँ ....जब हम बात करते हैं अपने चिंतनशील होने की तो महिलाएं बराबर हैं पुरुषों के वर्ना वो कमतर हैं ये तो कोई बात नही हुई न....सभी का बौधिक स्तर एक सा नही हो सकता ,और यह बात महिलों और पुरुष दोनों के सन्दर्भ में है .
और फेसबुक की बात करे तो वहां आपकी इच्छा है की आप किसको आपनी लिस्ट में रखते हैं या नही ....पर यहाँ ये एक पब्लिक साईट है तो आपको विभिन लोगों से रूबरू होना पड़ता है , तो परिणाम भी वैसे ही होते हैं विभिन कभी कटु और कभी सरल !
मेरा आप सबों से यही निवेदन है की ,जब बात करते हैं परस्पर भागीदारी की तो बिना किसी पूर्व धारणा के स्वागत कीजिये !!

[RavinderSura]

मसला यो स के जाटलैंड पर महिला घाट क्यों आवे स ? अर्र कमाल की बात या स के जिस सवाल का जवाब महिलाओं ने देना चाहिए की वो घाट क्यों आवे स , उनके मन की बात का जवाब मर्द देण लागरे स , मरे बेटे चौधर का फार्म भरते बार ऐ कोणी लावे जदे लंघोट कस ले स ;)
उर्मिला जी इब यो महिलाओ आला दुखड़ा भी आपे बता दो , आपने किम्मे सोच विचार के ही करा होगा यो सवाल |

[preetikhatri]

This world is running on logics rather than emotions only.
if sumbody is abusive or uses harsh,then there is some LOGIC behind it.
if YOU comment personally u get the answer.
world STARTED wid a female,
a MOTHER(female) contributes to almost all deveplment of senses.
SHE knew much more than a male counterpart.
NO BODY CAN COMPARE ABT her interests n knowledge.
acc to psychology a gal child of same age as that of a male is two yrs more mature than a boy
n much more KEEP YR MOUTH SHUT WEN u dnt know anything

[amankadian]

Most of them are covered already but few more may the possible reasons.

1. One possible reason could be ego clash between women. It is very rare to see to women agree on one thing. So they prefer not to get in to it.
2. Second could be that they are unaware of the platform.
3. Some comments like "Love you Paa" made them avoid making posts.
4. They are most of the time indulged in making themselves look good. I don't think so these reasons could be a fact.

[upendersingh]

एक तो यहां एक तै बढ़ कै नै एक डाक्की है...किसे नै बातां मैं अपने तै ऊपर आवण इ कोन दे...अगर जे कोई फीमेल मेंबर कोई तर्कपूर्ण बात कह दे तो उसकी गैल्ला एक बढ़िया बहस करण की बजाय बदतमीजी वाली भाषा बोलण लगे हैं...एक बै एक छोरी नै वो अन्ना हजारे पै कोई विवादास्पद सा थ्रेड चला दिया...कई मेल मेंबर उस पै इस तरिया टूट कै नै पड़े जणू तै ऊह नै याहडै़ तै बस घरां भेज कै इ मानैंगे...दूसरी बात या अक यहां अधिकतर जिस तरह के विषयों पर बहस चलती है, उनमें फीमेल की दिलचस्पी कम ही होती है...

[JSRana]

उर्मिला जी मेरा निवेदन है की आप इस टिपण्णी को गलत तरह से न लें | और अगर ले तो कृपा इसे deleted समझें |

मेरे ख्याल मैं त यो ताग्गा आपने जाटलैंड त दुखी हो का ए चलाया स |
हम आड़े अपने अपने ख्याल और अनुभव बाटंन खातर आवे स | जो बात आछी लागे उस न धर लो जो बेकार लागे उन क मारो झाड़ू | जवाब ए मत दो आपे न बंध हो जांगे | मंने पाछले एक महींने की सदस्यता मैं यो देख्या स अक ज्यादातर हिस्सा लेनिया सदस्य इसी जंघा काम करे सं जित देसी भाषा अर देसी लोग ढूंढे त भी न मिलते अर व अपनी देसी भाषा क सारा ज्ञान आड़े ए छाप दें सें | उन न भी कुछ हान ताहीं आपना पण मिल ज्या स | कुछ कती देसी मोलड सें जिन न सिर्फ छापण त मतलब स | इन के जितने जवाब दोगी ये उतनिये उलटे जवाब देंगे |यहाँ बड़े बड़े ग्यानी भी हैं जिन से आपनी संस्कृति के बारे मैं बहूत कुछ सिखा जा सकता है |

आप तो पढ़ी लिखी सायानी सं सकारात्मक रवैय्या अपना कै आपना काम करती रहो और इन टिप्पणियों को सहजता से लो |

आप जाटलैंड पर अच्छा योगदान कर रही हैं |


धन्यवाद सहित |

[urmiladuhan]

मसला यो स के जाटलैंड पर महिला घाट क्यों आवे स ? अर्र कमाल की बात या स के जिस सवाल का जवाब महिलाओं ने देना चाहिए की वो घाट क्यों आवे स , उनके मन की बात का जवाब मर्द देण लागरे स , मरे बेटे चौधर का फार्म भरते बार ऐ कोणी लावे जदे लंघोट कस ले स ;)
उर्मिला जी इब यो महिलाओ आला दुखड़ा भी आपे बता दो , आपने किम्मे सोच विचार के ही करा होगा यो सवाल |

As of now, I am watching the reaction.

[navdeepkhatkar]

उर्मिला जी मेरा निवेदन है की आप इस टिपण्णी को गलत तरह से न लें | और अगर ले तो कृपा इसे deleted समझें |

मेरे ख्याल मैं त यो ताग्गा आपने जाटलैंड त दुखी हो का ए चलाया स |
हम आड़े अपने अपने ख्याल और अनुभव बाटंन खातर आवे स | जो बात आछी लागे उस न धर लो जो बेकार लागे उन क मारो झाड़ू | जवाब ए मत दो आपे न बंध हो जांगे | मंने पाछले एक महींने की सदस्यता मैं यो देख्या स अक ज्यादातर हिस्सा लेनिया सदस्य इसी जंघा काम करे सं जित देसी भाषा अर देसी लोग ढूंढे त भी न मिलते अर व अपनी देसी भाषा क सारा ज्ञान आड़े ए छाप दें सें | उन न भी कुछ हान ताहीं आपना पण मिल ज्या स | कुछ कती देसी मोलड सें जिन न सिर्फ छापण त मतलब स | इन के जितने जवाब दोगी ये उतनिये उलटे जवाब देंगे |यहाँ बड़े बड़े ग्यानी भी हैं जिन से आपनी संस्कृति के बारे मैं बहूत कुछ सिखा जा सकता है |

आप तो पढ़ी लिखी सायानी सं सकारात्मक रवैय्या अपना कै आपना काम करती रहो और इन टिप्पणियों को सहजता से लो |

आप जाटलैंड पर अच्छा योगदान कर रही हैं |


धन्यवाद सहित |


kya baat h Rana Saab .. aap ne muh ki baat cheen li .. adde sare ek te badh ke ek gyani /dhurander/ ar bera nahi k k hain ...haam to chup chap haath jod k likad jaya karan ha... isse karke kade kade dikha karan haan ... kaam ki baat kade kade hove haain ...

[drkarminder]

preeti ji ..in which psychology book u read that girl child is two year menatlly mature than a male child...r u talkin about SIGMUND FRUED THEORY OF CHILD PSYCHOLOGY....SM MORE NAMES I WILL TELL....BANDURA , IVAN PAVLOV, SKINNER .. ihv read all the books of these pioneers of pscycology...nd if u will ask me ..i can also mention the theories names given by these ppls...bt i want to be modest here..
a grl chid sexually mature two year before a male child not MENTALLY....I.Q OF A MALE CHILD IS 20% GREATER THAN A GRL CHILD...
we can talk about child psychilogy if u want....plz read SIGMUND FRUED'S PSYCOSEXUAL DEVELOPEMENT THEORY OR U CAN READ "INTERPRETATION OF DREAMS " BY SIGMUND FRUED....
OH! SORRY FORGET TO MENTION HE IS THE FATHER OF PSYCHOLOGY..

[dahiyarocks]

world STARTED wid a female,
a MOTHER(female) contributes to almost all deveplment of senses.


bebe samikaran naam ki bhi ek chiz ho se.........khali women te e na world chala............

[singhvp]

bebe samikaran naam ki bhi ek chiz ho se.........khali women te e na world chala............

Dahiya rocks:rock

[navdeepkhatkar]

bebe samikaran naam ki bhi ek chiz ho se.........khali women te e na world chala............
<<<<<<dahiya rocks >>>>

[dahiyarocks]

dear folks......

this is nt the problem of jatland only......

u can go to any social networking site n c how many females are there......women r present but just for the sake of being der wid no activity.

been admin of many pages on fb,i have seen this thing.in one of my pages the men to women ratio is 83:17. n out of tat 17 percent present , abt 2 or 3 percent actually participate in ny thing.

v can request the admin to provide the data here if possible as tat can help ur in RCA.

all reasons provided here are only theoretical but it doesn't mean tat reasons given cant be the real reasons. other reason is people are not aware of this jatland bcoz der is no advertising like Facebook or twitter or goggle+.

v can use these social networking sites to promote this jatland but it will have some repercussion also .

v shudnt make assumptions till v hav sumthing concrete in hand.

dhanyawad :)

[ravinderjeet]

hmm .. very aptly said ...
rakesh ji aapne pahle bhi kisi thread me aisa kuch likh tha .. that was quite practical and straight forward talk.
i liked it ...
chori JL par aa kar bhi kar kare .. ek baar profile bana nahi ki profile visit 1 hafte me hi 500 cross kar jati h ... .. or har koi Fraaaandship request bhej de h :):)

एक बे किहे छोरी/लुगाई ने मेरी कोए पोस्ट लाईक करी ली ,इब्ब मेरे नाम याद कोणी कुण थी वा ,मन्ने वो नाम नया लाग्या ज्यां तें उह का फ्रोफाइल विजीट कर लिया | १८ दिन पुराना फ्रोफाइल २८०० विजीट | आड़े राकेश ने छ: साल हो लिए एक बन्दा/बंदी नि छोड्या जिह के खोद ना मारी हो फेर भी हान्ग्याँ सी २००० विजीट होई सें भाई के प्रोफाइल पे | ते भाइओ चापलूस चिचड़ ते आड़े भी भतेरे सें | मेरे ख्याल में कारण और किम्मे हो सके स ज्युकर जाटनीयाँ ने जाट आछे ना लागते होंगे | वे न्यू कहवें सें अक जाटनी घणी पढ़ी लिखी अर घणी समझदार सें जट्टां के छोरयाँ तें ,ते उन् ने घने समझदार बन्दे चाहियें इंटेलीजेंसी मेच करण खातर अर उस्से इंटेलिजेंस ते आड़े ५-७ जणे सें , बस बाकी ते मोलड सें कती | एक कहावत स घने दुखी मान्या होवो ------- "घर का जोगी जोगडा बाहर का जोगी सिद्ध "

[dahiyarocks]

एक बे किहे छोरी/लुगाई ने मेरी कोए पोस्ट लाईक करी ली ,इब्ब मेरे नाम याद कोणी कुण थी वा ,मन्ने वो नाम नया लाग्या ज्यां तें उह का फ्रोफाइल विजीट कर लिया | १८ दिन पुराना फ्रोफाइल २८०० विजीट | आड़े राकेश ने छ: साल हो लिए एक बन्दा/बंदी नि छोड्या जिह के खोद ना मारी हो फेर भी हान्ग्याँ सी २००० विजीट होई सें भाई के प्रोफाइल पे | ते भाइओ चापलूस चिचड़ ते आड़े भी भतेरे सें | मेरे ख्याल में कारण और किम्मे हो सके स ज्युकर जाटनीयाँ ने जाट आछे ना लागते होंगे | वे न्यू कहवें सें अक जाटनी घणी पढ़ी लिखी अर घणी समझदार सें जट्टां के छोरयाँ तें ,ते उन् ने घने समझदार बन्दे चाहियें इंटेलीजेंसी मेच करण खातर अर उस्से इंटेलिजेंस ते आड़े ५-७ जणे सें , बस बाकी ते मोलड सें कती | एक कहावत स घने दुखी मान्या होवो ------- "घर का जोगी जोगडा बाहर का जोगी सिद्ध "


bhai sahab fb pe fake profile pakadan ke mamle mein te no 1 su........

nire se.........ar choriya ki te ke kahu..........


jaat sunte bhaj le se....



per masla wo koni hadde.....masla se ke chori kam kyu se.......te fb ki bat ne dusre tagge mein chala dewe se

[singhvp]

यह देखने में आया है कि अधिकांश उच्च शिक्षा प्राप्त जाट अपने आप को जाट के रूप में identify करवाना पसंद नहीं करते और इस प्रकार के शिक्षित लोगों में महिलाओं की संख्या अधिक है I इस सोच के पीछे अपने समुदाय की कुछ मान्यताएं, धारणाएं, संकुचित विचारधारा और कुछ लोगों का rustic/crude व्यव्हार काफी हद तक उत्तरदायी है I हालाँकि उच्च शिक्षा, ओहदा, पैसा और आधुनिकता सभी जाटों के सर चढ़ कर बोलती है, परन्तु महिलाओं का द्रष्टिकोण इन चीज़ों से जल्दी प्रभावित होता है I चूंकि जाटलैंड एक जातीय पहचान का सूचक है, इसलिए अधिकांश तथाकथित शिक्षित और संभ्रांत जाट, विशेषकर महिलांयें, इस वेब-साईट पर आना अपने 'cosmopolitan credentials ' के खिलाफ मानते हैं और इस बात से डरते हैं कि उनकी सोसाइटी के पढ़े लिखे लोग उन्हें इज्ज़त की निगाहों से नहीं देखेंगे क्योंकि उनके हिसाब से जाट होना एक rustic व्यक्तित्व का सूचक है (जो कि एक निहायत ही कमजोर और उधार की सोच है) I परन्तु अपवाद हर श्रेणी में होते हैं और कहने का अभिप्राय यह बिलकुल नहीं है कि जाटलैंड पर जो महिलाएं हैं उनका रवैया भी ऐसा ही है I क्योंकि उनका रवैया अगर ऐसा होता तो वे यहाँ जाटलैंड पर नहीं होती I इसलिए कृपया जाटलैंड की महिला सदस्याएं यह बात अपने ऊपर बिलकुल ना लें I बेशक कुछ मामलों में उनसे मतभेद हो सकते हैं, मगर मैं उनके साहस और प्रगतिशील दृष्टिकोण की प्रशंशा करता हूँ जिसके कारण वे हमारे समाज की दकियानूसी मान्यताओं तो तोड़ कर जाटलैंड पर अच्छा योगदान कर रही हैं I और आशा है कि छोटी मोटी तकरार और मतभेदों के चलते वे जाटलैंड को अलविदा नहीं कहेंगी I

[singhvp]

dear folks......

other reason is people are not aware of this jatland bcoz der is no advertising like Facebook or twitter or goggle+.



इस वेब-साईट का नाम बदल के लवलैंड.कॉम धर द्यो, फेर देखियो या फेसबुक नै फेल ना कर दे तो :)

[Moar]

I disagree most of your points here VP Sir; please read my views in red.




Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc.

I know many fingers will be pointed on me by Jatnis here n' I might be labeled as male chauvinist by feminists here! :)


Cheers
Jit

You are too Good Brother... I believe that this forum is Lucky to have Members like You!

[urmiladuhan]

You are too Good Brother... I believe that this forum is Lucky to have Members like You!

Yo dislike aala khatka kit gaya!!! dabana tha aadae :)

[Moar]

Namaste Madam Ji (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?32861-Reason-for-less-woman-presence-on-Jatland.com.&p=282734&viewfull=1#post282734) :rock

[deshi-jat]

रविंदर जी, वी पी सिंह जी और दुसरे सदस्यों,

इसी बात है की अडै जाटलैंड पै कोए मंद्रासी/बंगाली आके, जिसने हरयाणवी बोली और खाणे तक का कोई ज्ञान नहीं. बस एक लुगाई का फोटू चेप कै बैठ जाओ. अर लिख दो अपनी चावल-मच्छी (मछली) पकाने की विधी.
फेर म्हारे लड्धू लैन मै खड़े हो जांगे मैडम नै सलाम ठोकण ताही. जिनने न्यू नहीं बेरा अक चा (चाय) क्यूकर बनै सै, वो न्यू बुझंगे अक मैडम जी मच्छी मै जीरे का छोंक लाणा सै अक मेथी का? अर मच्छी खाणी तै दूर आध्या तै तो उसकी बांस (बदबू) मै भी ना डटा जा.

[Samarkadian]

May be Will or Willingness/Self-Motivation. Writing a post is just a keyboard away. It is same for both men and women who are online.

It is easy and comfortable to crucify men for less presence/participation of women. It is somehow funny to learn the trend that men are being bashed by both men and women equally.

[Mishti]

May be Will or Willingness/Self-Motivation. Writing a post is just a keyboard away. It is same for both men and women who are online.

It is easy and comfortable to crucify men for less presence/participation of women. It is somehow funny to learn the trend that men are being bashed by both men and women equally.

unwillingness to write or in other words being lazy is one of the important factor in my case for less participation,
also sometimes to escape being bullied by harrowing men.

[vicky84]

Kissey Forum pai Essay likhna aur wo bhi social issues pe.. hahaha..Mere hisab tai lugaiyan ka usmai koi interest nahi sai.. In fact ladkon ka bhi nahi..bahut kam ka hota hai...
Maine jaab bhi apne kisi jaat dost ko is website ke baare mei bataya to kisi ne interest nahi dikhaya..sabka yahi impression raha hai lambi lambi posts ko dekh kar:

"Are yaar kispai hai itna time ye sab likhan ka" :D

Mostly Jatland pe social issues aur current affairs pe discussion hota hai..I think lugaiyon ka in sab mei interest kam hota..hardly you will find women talking politics, national issues, community issues etc.

Jatland pe hi dekh lo..

If you start a thread on Love,Romance then that topic get pampered most on Jatland. ..Chunki Jatland ke upar aisi discussions kam hoti hai to i think lugaiyan ka participation bhi kaam hota hai..baaki sabka apna apna interest hai. To jiski jo iccha wo waisa karega. arr aade Haryanwi bhi use bahut hoya kare..humare samaj(Padhe Likha Samaj) mai Haryanwi jo bollai kare usnai molad type manna karein..yo bhi ek reason ho sakai sai ;).. to kaafi impression to aade e khatam ho le sai jatland ka.. :D.. arr rehgi networking(Friend Circle) ki baat.. to facebook bhateri sai loggan nai baat foddan khatar..uspai saare dost mil jaawe hain..School ke college ke, work colleagues..Photo upload karna..arr uspe comment karna easy hai aur less time consuming hai rather than writing an Essay on social issues.Facebook is more tailored to serve those purposes.

to koye kyun aawega Jatland pai..waise bhi Jatland ek caste takk restricted hai.

[Prikshit]

नमस्कार सभी को....
आप सभी यहाँ लड़कियों की परस्पर साझीदारी की बात कर रहे हैं....पर मुझे लगता है आधी बातें तव वहीँ ख़तम हो जाती हैं जब यहाँ विचारों को लड़कियों और लड़कों की बातों में वर्गीकृत कर दिया जाता है.......और रही बात महिलाओं की बुद्धि की तो पुरुष समझते हैं की बुद्धि केवल उनकी ही पूंजी है .यहाँ किसी ने लिखा है की ...."1. One possible reason could be ego clash between women. It is very rare to see to women agree on one thing. So they prefer not to get in to it. & 4. They are most of the time indulged in making themselves look good. .....तो इसका जवाब मेरे अनुसार ये है की.....'एगो" टकराव तो पुरुषों के बीच ज्यादा होता है , महिलाएं तो परस्पर वैचारिक मेलजोल बना कर चलती हैं और इसका प्रमाण तो देने की जरुरत ही नही है !रही बात खुद को सुन्दर दिखाने की तो लड़के आजकल लड़कियों से आगे ही हैं खुद को "लुक गुड "करने के चक्कर में !! "जाटनी लैंड बन्ज्या ते उड़े निरी आज्यांगी फेर "चुगली करण "| ....इसका ते क्या जवाब हो सके है या ते इन्सान की प्रकृति है दूसरों के बारे में बात करना ...पुरुष करे तो संवाद बन जा है अर्र महिला करे तो चुगली हो जा है !"Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc. ".......बोधिक ज्ञान की की कमी का क्या पैमाना है ये तो आप ही जाने मान्येवर...पर मुझे समझ नही आता की महिला पुरुषों से कहीं न कहीं आगे ही है उच्च शिक्षा के शेत्र में फिर भी हम में ज्ञान की कमी है ....ये तो समझ से परे है मेरे !
4. Easily hurt and retaliating then with stronger words and making things ugly for themselves and to the person whom they are replying to. Which again provokes reciprocation with more foolishnes....... जाटलैंड की बात की जाये ,अगर कोई लड़का किसी लड़की असभ्य मेसेज भेजे या बार बार परेशान करे मना करने के बावजूद ...इस्सपर वो लड़की अगर उससे कुछ बुरा कह दे ( बुरा मतलब सरे आम चौपाल में (जो पहले होता था) या किसी forum पर तो वो ओवर रेअक्ट करती है .....और लड़के सरेआम गाली दें दें या महिलों में अकल नही होती ,ये तो सिर्फ यहाँ टाइम पास करने आती हैं , या किसी forum पर किसी और जाति की महिलाओं का रेप कर दो ....वो सब ठीक है ,वह क्या पैमाना है ओवर रेअक्टशुन मापने का !
vpsingh जी ....की कही हुई बात तर्क संगत हैं .... में मानती हूँ ,की महिलाएं थोड़ी सी जज्ज्बती होती हैं और जल्दी रेअक्ट करती हैं पर इसका मतलब ये नही है की वो बेवकूफ हुई ..... में कोई पुरूषों के खिलाफ नही हूँ ....में समभावना में विश्वास रखती हूँ ....जब हम बात करते हैं अपने चिंतनशील होने की तो महिलाएं बराबर हैं पुरुषों के वर्ना वो कमतर हैं ये तो कोई बात नही हुई न....सभी का बौधिक स्तर एक सा नही हो सकता ,और यह बात महिलों और पुरुष दोनों के सन्दर्भ में है .
और फेसबुक की बात करे तो वहां आपकी इच्छा है की आप किसको आपनी लिस्ट में रखते हैं या नही ....पर यहाँ ये एक पब्लिक साईट है तो आपको विभिन लोगों से रूबरू होना पड़ता है , तो परिणाम भी वैसे ही होते हैं विभिन कभी कटु और कभी सरल !
मेरा आप सबों से यही निवेदन है की ,जब बात करते हैं परस्पर भागीदारी की तो बिना किसी पूर्व धारणा के स्वागत कीजिये !!

Seema ji first I would like to thank you for your humble reply otherwise people just pounce for no reason.
Second commendable thing is that you said women are on par with men. No doubt about it
It is perfectly fine that you don't agree to the points being mentioned here by me.But still I would like to keep my view.
I hope you won't take it otherwise, I am talking general and It may happen that I could be wrong.

Well the first point of "Ego clash" is very much noticable on JL only. I have live examples which left using JL coz some females only.
I am not blaming female but I have seen women not on good terms with other women in most of the cases.
May be you have percieved it with the feminine side so results are different.

Secondly they do spend time for looking good, I mean they have to much to do and discuss about this.
Please Correct me If I am wrong and pardon me If I have said anything wrong.

[Prikshit]

I don't think so these reasons could be a fact.

Thanks Kadiyan bhai......opinions differ not a big deal.

P.S : I am just keeping my views which are not meant to offend or please anyone.

[malikseema]

Hello Prikshit....
Thnx for seeing my post as a humble reply....
And as u keep ur views me too back my views here....still I dont feel that ego clashes is just a trend between women...according to me it depends on the person - his/her behaviour or nature or the perceptive to see things. so no use of arguing over this.
n Yes,Ego clashes is very common here on JL as it only occurs were people share "arr je ve jaat honge te possibility batti ho jaa hai "
And I should speak on my behalf only....regarding ur :"GOOD TERMS"....I hav never met with anyof female members with a ego clash or some negative approarch frm both sides .
n On ur "Looking Gud thing"......wats the harm in luking gud n talking about that.....According to me ...nothng....we can talk here on politics, societal issues, anythng on earth but if its about beauty than wats the harm.....even Boys do take care of themselves now a days ....so why just pinpointing females on this thing .
Hope I hav answered U.
n Rest ur views .....Democratic India n free will to express oneself prevails !!
Enjoy !


Seema ji first I would like to thank you for your humble reply otherwise people just pounce for no reason.
Second commendable thing is that you said women are on par with men. No doubt about it
It is perfectly fine that you don't agree to the points being mentioned here by me.But still I would like to keep my view.
I hope you won't take it otherwise, I am talking general and I may happen that I could be wrong.

Well the first point of "Ego clash" is very much noticable on JL only. I have live examples which left using JL coz some females only.
I am not blaming female but I have seen women not on good terms with other women in most of the cases.
May be you have percieved it with the feminine side so results are different.

Secondly they do spend time for looking good, I mean they have to much to do and discuss about this.
Please Correct me If I am wrong and pardon me If I have said anything wrong.

[Prikshit]

Hello Prikshit....
Thnx for seeing my post as a humble reply....
And as u keep ur views me too back my views here....still I dont feel that ego clashes is just a trend between women...according to me it depends on the person - his/her behaviour or nature or the perceptive to see things. so no use of arguing over this.
n Yes,Ego clashes is very common here on JL as it only occurs were people share "arr je ve jaat honge te possibility batti ho jaa hai "
And I should speak on my behalf only....regarding ur :"GOOD TERMS"....I hav never met with anyof female members with a ego clash or some negative approarch frm both sides .
n On ur "Looking Gud thing"......wats the harm in luking gud n talking about that.....According to me ...nothng....we can talk here on politics, societal issues, anythng on earth but if its about beauty than wats the harm.....even Boys do take care of themselves now a days ....so why just pinpointing females on this thing .
Hope I hav answered U.
n Rest ur views .....Democratic India n free will to express oneself prevails !!
Enjoy !



You are lucky indeed that you didn't come across any such thing. :)
There is no harm at all in looking good, but I have said it could be the possible reason that is it.
Thank you so much you find time to read out to make your points clear.

[akshaymalik84]

preeti ji ..in which psychology book u read that girl child is two year menatlly mature than a male child...r u talkin about SIGMUND FRUED THEORY OF CHILD PSYCHOLOGY....SM MORE NAMES I WILL TELL....BANDURA , IVAN PAVLOV, SKINNER .. ihv read all the books of these pioneers of pscycology...nd if u will ask me ..i can also mention the theories names given by these ppls...bt i want to be modest here..
a grl chid sexually mature two year before a male child not MENTALLY....I.Q OF A MALE CHILD IS 20% GREATER THAN A GRL CHILD...
we can talk about child psychilogy if u want....plz read SIGMUND FRUED'S PSYCOSEXUAL DEVELOPEMENT THEORY OR U CAN READ "INTERPRETATION OF DREAMS " BY SIGMUND FRUED....
OH! SORRY FORGET TO MENTION HE IS THE FATHER OF PSYCHOLOGY..

Bhai re...tu sahi mei e dactar sai....teri likhayi nhi samajh mei aawe....pharmecy alya k bhi....

[akshaymalik84]

अगर सारी बातों को भूल कर ये देखा जाये की किसी भी जाट का जाटलैंड का सदस्य बनने का मूलभूत कारण क्या है तो जवाब वहीँ से मिल जायेगा! जाटलैंड पे औरतो की कम सदस्यता का मुख्य कारण है आज कल की जाट औरतो में अपनी संस्कृति और इतिहास के प्रति कम रूचि रखना! बाकी सारी बातें यानि की अहम् टकराव, बुरा बर्ताव , छेड़ छाड़ जाटलैंड के सदस्य बनने के बाद की बाते है!

हालाँकि महिला सदस्यों की हमेशा यह शिकायत रहती है की उनको आजादी या फिर अपनी बात रखने का मौका नहीं मिलता! तो जाटलैंड ने इस बात को सिरे से नाकारा है जैसे की लिव इन रिलेशन, सर पे पलू न करना इत्यादि इत्यादि जैसे विषयों पे महिलाओ ने अपनी राय प्रकट की है जो की अधिकतर जाट परिवारों के रहन सहन के साथ मेल नहीं खाती फिर भी उन्हें अपनी बात कहने का पूरा मौका मिला!

यह जाटलैंड का अवांछनीय व्यवहार ही तो है!

मेरा लेखिका से एक प्रशन है की आपने अपनी कितनी महिला मित्रों को जाटलैंड का सदस्य बनने के लिए प्रेरित किया?

[urmiladuhan]

haam to chup chap haath jod k likad jaya karan ha... isse karke kade kade dikha karan haan ... kaam ki baat kade kade hove haain ...

I check who associates with whom (from the "like" option) in posts. Even if one doesn't comment directly, he/she is showing preference and hence communicating.

[ravinderjeet]

I check who associates with whom (from the "like" option) in posts. Even if one doesn't comment directly, he/she is showing preference and hence communicating.


सावधान ,वैधानिक चेतावनी :- कई माणस आँख मीच के ने लुगाइयां की पोस्ट लाइक कर्या करें, चाहे पाछले तीन चार साल की उनकी पोस्ट देख ल्यो ,उन् ने विचाराँ ते कोए मतलब नि होंदा |

[vicky84]

सावधान ,वैधानिक चेतावनी :- कई माणस आँख मीच के ने लुगाइयां की पोस्ट लाइक कर्या करें, चाहे पाछले तीन चार साल की उनकी पोस्ट देख ल्यो ,उन् ने विचाराँ ते कोए मतलब नि होंदा |

Ek bai udharan sa diye...? Akk nyu e generalize kar diya..jo jee mai aaya wo likh diya..

[ravinderjeet]

Ek bai udharan sa diye...? Akk nyu e generalize kar diya..jo jee mai aaya wo likh diya..

तू क्यूँ भुंडा मुंह बणावे स ?

[vicky84]

तू क्यूँ भुंडा मुंह बणावे स ?

Bhoonda kit banaya sai..Pher generalize kar liya tunnai..kasoota jhaank ja sai aurran ki maan nai ;)..main to buss bhojoon soon mere yaar..

[singhvp]

तीन कारण और भी हैं औरतों के जाटलैंड पर कम आने के I
१. औरतें रूठ बहुत जल्दी जाती हैं और फेर उनको मनाना बहोत मुश्किल होता है I काफी सारी महिलायें रूठ कर चली गई हैं और जब तक जाटलैंड के Administrator उनको मनाएंगे नहीं वे नहीं आयेंगी I
२. जो ऊंची शिक्षा ग्रहण कर लेती हैं वे या तो बहुत उदार और महान बन जाती हैं या फिर बहुत ज्यादा घमंडी और snobbish I बीच का रास्ता उनको पसंद नहीं इसलिए घमंडी और snobbish महिलाएं मध्यम और निम्न वर्गीय जाटों से कोई सरोकार रखना पसंद नहीं करती I और जाटलैंड पर बहुतायत उन्ही लोगों की है जो मध्य या निम्न श्रेणी में आते हैं (उनके हिसाब से). यानि classy नहीं हैं I
३. स्वभावत : अधिकांश महिलायें हाँ में हाँ मिलवाना पसंद करती हैं , अगर आप ने उनकी बात काटने की कोशिश की यानि उनकी हाँ में हाँ नहीं मिलाई तो वे फेर बहुत जल्द किनारा कर लेती हैं

[akshaymalik84]

तीन कारण और भी हैं औरतों के जाटलैंड पर कम आने के I
१. औरतें रूठ बहुत जल्दी जाती हैं और फेर उनको मनाना बहोत मुश्किल होता है I काफी सारी महिलायें रूठ कर चली गई हैं और जब तक जाटलैंड के Administrator उनको मनाएंगे नहीं वे नहीं आयेंगी I
२. जो ऊंची शिक्षा ग्रहण कर लेती हैं वे या तो बहुत उदार और महान बन जाती हैं या फिर बहुत ज्यादा घमंडी और snobbish I बीच का रास्ता उनको पसंद नहीं इसलिए घमंडी और snobbish महिलाएं मध्यम और निम्न वर्गीय जाटों से कोई सरोकार रखना पसंद नहीं करती I और जाटलैंड पर बहुतायत उन्ही लोगों की है जो मध्य या निम्न श्रेणी में आते हैं (उनके हिसाब से). यानि classy नहीं हैं I
३. स्वभावत : अधिकांश महिलायें हाँ में हाँ मिलवाना पसंद करती हैं , अगर आप ने उनकी बात काटने की कोशिश की यानि उनकी हाँ में हाँ नहीं मिलाई तो वे फेर बहुत जल्द किनारा कर लेती हैं

वि पि जी ये आपकी कल्पना है या अनुभव?

जाटलैंड कोई खेल नहीं है जहाँ मंदक(Admins.) रूठे हुए को मनाने का काम करे और न ही ये पर्दर्शित करना की उच्च शिक्षित जाट अपने से निचे या मध्य वर्गीय जाट से किसी भी प्रकार से उत्तम है ...रही बात हाँ में हाँ मिलाने की ......तो अगर आप बिना सहमत हुए किसी की बात में हाँ मिलाते है तो उसमे आप का कोई अप्रतस्य मतलब है ...जो एक जाट को शोभा नहीं देता!


आज कल जो लिंग भेद की चर्चा जोरो पर है .......उसे कोई भी वर्ग समझ नहीं पा रहा है! शायद यही कारण की आज का युवा इतना अयस्त व्यस्त है !

[singhvp]

वि पि जी ये आपकी कल्पना है या अनुभव?

जाटलैंड कोई खेल नहीं है जहाँ मंदक(admins.) रूठे हुए को मनाने का काम करे और न ही ये पर्दर्शित करना की उच्च शिक्षित जाट अपने से निचे या मध्य वर्गीय जाट से किसी भी प्रकार से उत्तम है ...रही बात हाँ में हाँ मिलाने की ......तो अगर आप बिना सहमत हुए किसी की बात में हाँ मिलाते है तो उसमे आप का कोई अप्रतस्य मतलब है ...जो एक जाट को शोभा नहीं देता!


आज कल जो लिंग भेद की चर्चा जोरो पर है .......उसे कोई भी वर्ग समझ नहीं पा रहा है! शायद यही कारण की आज का युवा इतना अयस्त व्यस्त है !
अक्षय, मेरे विचार अनुभव और कल्पना दोनों का सम्मिश्रण है i
जाटनियां के नखरे निराले हों सै i :)
थोडा अनुभव तो होगया होगा ??

[urmiladuhan]

मेरा लेखिका से एक प्रशन है की आपने अपनी कितनी महिला मित्रों को जाटलैंड का सदस्य बनने के लिए प्रेरित किया?

Two. Both are reluctant.

[urmiladuhan]

Two. Both are reluctant.

I think she must have a fighting spirit if she wants to survive on JL because she is subjected to all sorts of attacks (including sexual and derogatory remarks). Not many woman are up to it (neither are men).

[drkarminder]

ha ha ha...v.p sir ji, slowly u r getting on track
i hv observed lot of diffrnce in ur 1st and last post on this thread...:)

[raka]

Ek bai udharan sa diye...? Akk nyu e generalize kar diya..jo jee mai aaya wo likh diya..
रहन दे नाम उघाड़ना ठीक कोणी , किते तेरा नाम आ गया तो के मूंह दिखावेगा समाज में ;)

[raka]

Please share your views.
उर्मिला जी एक आधे सवाल का जवाब आप भी दे दिया करो .....
आप भी निर्रे सवाला ने तोड़ राखे सो :)

[singhvp]

ha ha ha...v.p sir ji, slowly u r getting on track
i hv observed lot of diffrnce in ur 1st and last post on this thread...:)

डॉ. साहब, आज तै एक दूसरे (live in Relationship) आले ताग्गे पै मेरा इतना कडवा तजुर्बा हो रह्या सै कि महिलाओं के प्रति मेरे विचार जमा पलटी खा गे i एक महिला प्राध्यापिका नै तडके तडके इसा लेक्चर पिलाया जिसने मेरी आँख खोल दी i महिलाओं के प्रति अवांछनीय सहानुभूति शायद हमारे अन्दर की किसी मानवीय कमजोरी का द्द्योतक है i हमें लिंग के आधार पर गुणवत्ता से समझौता नहीं करना चाहिए i मैंने अक्षय मालिक की बातों पर गौर कर लिया होता तो बहुत ठीक था i खैर देर आये दुरुस्त आये i मै अपने गुनाह का इकरार करता हूँ कि मैंने भी लाल लुगड़ी देख के बहोत से like के खटके दबा दिए थे I नादान था I

[ravinderjeet]

डॉ. साहब, आज तै एक दूसरे (live in relationship) आले ताग्गे पै मेरा इतना कडवा तजुर्बा हो रह्या सै कि महिलाओं के प्रति मेरे विचार जमा पलटी खा गे i एक महिला प्राध्यापिका नै तडके तडके इसा लेक्चर पिलाया जिसने मेरी आँख खोल दी i महिलाओं के प्रति अवांछनीय सहानुभूति शायद हमारे अन्दर की किसी मानवीय कमजोरी का द्द्योतक है i हमें लिंग के आधार पर गुणवत्ता से समझौता नहीं करना चाहिए i मैंने अक्षय मालिक की बातों पर गौर कर लिया होता तो बहुत ठीक था i खैर देर आये दुरुस्त आये i मै अपने गुनाह का इकरार करता हूँ कि मैंने भी लाल लुगड़ी देख के बहोत से like के खटके दबा दिए थे i नादान था i


आज ते आप ने भोत हंसा दिया विजयपाल जी | इस्सी सरल ,सादी, साची बात कह दी आप ने | आप भी म्हारे बर्गे मोलड सो |

[JSRana]

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आज ते आप ने भोत हंसा दिया विजयपाल जी | इस्सी सरल ,सादी, साची बात कह दी आप ने | आप भी म्हारे बर्गे मोलड सो |

रविंदर जी सही कहा इब एक ताग्गा मोल्लड़ की परिभाषा पर भी शुरू करया जा सके स |

[ravinderjeet]

रविंदर जी सही कहा इब एक ताग्गा मोल्लड़ की परिभाषा पर भी शुरू करया जा सके स |


राणा जी मोलड की परिभाषा ते मन्ने काल "हरयाणवी बोली और उसके अनोखे शब्द " आले तागे में गेर दी थी |

[JSRana]

राणा जी मोलड की परिभाषा ते मन्ने काल "हरयाणवी बोली और उसके अनोखे शब्द " आले तागे में गेर दी थी |

रविन्देर्जी वा त मानने पढ़ ली थी अर सही मायने मे वा मेरे ताही कती नई और ज्ञानवर्धक थी |हो सके स दुसरे सदस्य कीमे और
कहना चाहते हों | आड़े त मौका मिलना चाहिए विचारां का बीज बिखेरन् का |

[deshi-jat]

फेर तै भाई विजय किसै स्याणी मास्टरणी तै फेट ग्या. ना तै आजकाल इसे मास्टर-मास्टरणी घाट ऐ रहरै सै



एक महिला प्राध्यापिका नै तडके तडके इसा लेक्चर पिलाया जिसने मेरी आँख खोल दी

[urmiladuhan]

उर्मिला जी एक आधे सवाल का जवाब आप भी दे दिया करो .....
आप भी निर्रे सवाला ने तोड़ राखे सो :)

After reading the feedback (including the deleted derogatory posts towards me and woman in general, of this thread) I have come to the conclusion that rustic type woman are hardly ever attacked here. Unfortunately, many such woman don't have access to computers due to their rural location. It is the City bred (call them english speaking for convenience) participants that many Jat men (educated ones) have difficulty with as their ego get rubbed on the wrong side, especially if the woman is smart and good looking too (most Jaatnis are!!!). I get Private Messages through this forum (I am sure other female members too) focussing on my physical appearance or asking me personal questions that are too personal - and when I don't reply, I see that person turning against me in various threads! ha ha ha!! It is a fool proof recipe for sourness that leads to personal attacks.

Jat men expect women to have a 'toned down' personality with them, which many educated woman don't have. On the contrary, many such woman have a mind of their own, which they do not hesitate to share. I post in so many threads, but there are hardly any of my replies that have "like" button turned on. But whoever challenges my views, is mostly liked by many other men.

By the way, many Jat men (educated ones) also don't have social skills when it comes to dealing with city bred, educated woman. This also creates problems.

On the whole, it is a challenging, many times a harsh place for woman. Hence their participation is less.

[akshaymalik84]

Go get a life please.

There was a thread, a poll may be where it was asked whether we should put a like button or not on JL just like FB and other social networking sites. Most of members opt for like button option but i said in one of post that it may hurt too. That's what happening here.

Coming to thread, you are the first members who came out in open and talk about this like and for that matter unlike stuff. Isn't it conveying something? You seems more bothered about people liking post against your OPINION (not you).

Less women members........you can not convince your friends to join this forum. That's perfectly fine but still .....There are some female members here who are appreciated by other members. They earned it.

Few months back when you re-start posting again i thought you might bridge the gap between this man and women issue but you yourself fall in this trap.

[akshaymalik84]

Lol i scored a century here......Post no. 100.:rock

[urmiladuhan]

[QUOTE=akshaymalik84;283468]Go get a life please.

Mind your language. You may be reported to the moderator.

[akshaymalik84]

[QUOTE=akshaymalik84;283468]Go get a life please.

Mind your language. You may be reported to the moderator.

Never mind.

[mandeep333]

Following could be a few reasons:

1. They are traditionally very shy
2. They are not allowed by the family to mix-up so easily with outsiders/strangers
3. They are comparatively less computer savvy
4. Often they have to be occupied with household affairs like 'choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari'
5. They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums
5. Last but not the least - general tendency of our men-folk to misbehave with them
As a matter of fact I don't agree on all points with V P Singh ji. Jat females are not tarrying behind in any field. Nor are they shy or timid. They are excelling in every field. Today's parents are commonly not so conservative as they normally support their daughters in their genuine demands and projects as they do the same with their sons. I must dare say that the present confused and sick mental state of some people in society spread the dirt as they know nothing except filthy ideas. This seems to me the rudiment reason for less participation of females. Sometimes it is found that a few of the JL people behave out of the common sense only to show off that they are "the Real Jats". Their language becomes so absurd, idiotic & blunt that it creates repulsion & horror in the minds of sober people. So the fundamental fault lies on the side of males who have to be more dignified and respectful towards the ethnic values of thier compatriots. Therefore I must say that the last point which Bhai V P Singh has written is very authentic.

[kapdal]

After reading the feedback (including the deleted derogatory posts towards me and woman in general, of this thread) I have come to the conclusion that rustic type woman are hardly ever attacked here. Unfortunately, many such woman don't have access to computers due to their rural location. It is the City bred (call them english speaking for convenience) participants that many Jat men (educated ones) have difficulty with as their ego get rubbed on the wrong side, especially if the woman is smart and good looking too (most Jaatnis are!!!). I get Private Messages through this forum (I am sure other female members too) focussing on my physical appearance or asking me personal questions that are too personal - and when I don't reply, I see that person turning against me in various threads! ha ha ha!! It is a fool proof recipe for sourness that leads to personal attacks.

Jat men expect women to have a 'toned down' personality with them, which many educated woman don't have. On the contrary, many such woman have a mind of their own, which they do not hesitate to share. I post in so many threads, but there are hardly any of my replies that have "like" button turned on. But whoever challenges my views, is mostly liked by many other men.

By the way, many Jat men (educated ones) also don't have social skills when it comes to dealing with city bred, educated woman. This also creates problems.

On the whole, it is a challenging, many times a harsh place for woman. Hence their participation is less.

Urmilaji, in the spirit of scientific analysis (that I honestly believe you wish to champion), I don't think your assertion can be justified. Basically the facts of the case are:

1. Urmila is an educated, independent-minded Jat woman who speaks her mind.
2. The Jat males don't "like" Urmila's posts.

Now the 2 main inferences can be:
1. The Jat males don't like the contents of the posts
2. The Jat males don't like an independent-minded Jat woman.

We can't really do a PHD on a one data point item, that is nothing statistically significant can be inferred just from your example. But I can give some theoretical arguments which negate your assertion:

1. Do Jat females "like" your posts? If not, then isn't it probable that the content of the post is more of an issue rather than this being a gender+ego based issue?
2. Have there been other independent-minded Jat women on this forum whose posts have been liked? While the "like" button is a new development, I certainly know that some independent-minded Jat women were liked and applauded significantly on this forum.
3. Are there Jat males whose posts are never "liked" sufficiently? An affirmative answer to this would suggest that despite having the male gender, you may not be "liked" because of the content.

To conclude, correlation doesn't imply causation.

[annch]

Kapil,
Correlation or causation, the attitude/ego of men on the forum does impact participation of female members, if not for any other reason than for the huge difference in number of active male and female members.


To conclude, correlation doesn't imply causation.

[vijay]

Kapil,
Correlation or causation, the attitude/ego of men on the forum does impact participation of female members, if not for any other reason than for the huge difference in number of active male and female members.

I bet that sometimes it restricts even males ( more or less ) to participate in the forums.

Welcome to Real Jatland. :p

[annch]

कहते है कि दुनिया कुछ अच्छे लोगों की वजह से चलती है! यहाँ भी वही हो रहा है! शुक्र है उन् चंद अच्छे लोगों का जो एक जाट की छवि को बरकरार ही नहीं निखारते है!


I bet that sometimes it restricts even males ( more or less ) to participate in the forums.

Welcome to Real Jatland. :p

[kapdal]

Kapil,
Correlation or causation, the attitude/ego of men on the forum does impact participation of female members, if not for any other reason than for the huge difference in number of active male and female members.

Yes, maybe. But I wasn't speaking on the topic here, I was just responding to a particular post with a specific assertion that Jat males can't stand educated & independent-minded Jat women that was based on rather dubious logic.

I haven't said anything on the topic yet. It may have been an interesting topic, but it came with the curse of becoming yet another of those silly men vs women debates.

For argument's sake, if everyone was perfectly well behaved here - would that lead to equal % of men & women? I highly doubt that. I don't know what the data says, but we can look at the % of registered males vs females. If you already get 90 men to 10 women split in registered members (say), that would suggest that the skew exists independent of any behavior as you can't personally experience the -ve behavior without signing up on JL.

I am sure there are female members with genuine grievances. Some would have left and some may not be participating. But that's the case with men members as well. And then, atleast I have seen highly objectionable behavior from female members as well. But if you have 90 men vs 20 women and 20% of both them indulge in highly objectionable behavior - you will see 18 cases of men vs 4 cases of women. More than 4 times cases for men, even with same % of objectionable behavior.

People with objectionable behavior are usually objectionable with both male & female members. It goes without saying that there shouldn't be any objectionable behavior, especially against women. But there is neither any logic nor any benefit in attributing the low participation of women entirely on "bad behavior of men". The bad behavior can be condemned without resorting to a dubious argument. And female members can and should point out the bad behavior without wallowing in the self-pity of such an argument.

[annch]

You are right about people with objectionable behaviour misbehaving with both male and female. However, it is not fair to expect a woman to react, verbally or emotionally, in the same way as a man would to such a behaviour.

A man will have less chances to face harassment/crap that a woman has to go through from such people, on the open forum and in mails/messages.

I may not agree with Urmila Ji's post completely or support her reaction, but she did capture the gist of the general behavior of many male members if not the entire male population on Jatland.

Yes, maybe. But I wasn't speaking on the topic here, I was just responding to a particular post with a specific assertion that Jat males can't stand educated & independent-minded Jat women that was based on rather dubious logic.

I haven't said anything on the topic yet. It may have been an interesting topic, but it came with the curse of becoming yet another of those silly men vs women debates.

For argument's sake, if everyone was perfectly well behaved here - would that lead to equal % of men & women? I highly doubt that. I don't know what the data says, but we can look at the % of registered males vs females. If you already get 90 men to 10 women split in registered members (say), that would suggest that the skew exists independent of any behavior as you can't personally experience the -ve behavior without signing up on JL.

I am sure there are female members with genuine grievances. Some would have left and some may not be participating. But that's the case with men members as well. And then, atleast I have seen highly objectionable behavior from female members as well. But if you have 90 men vs 20 women and 20% of both them indulge in highly objectionable behavior - you will see 18 cases of men vs 4 cases of women. More than 4 times cases for men, even with same % of objectionable behavior.

People with objectionable behavior are usually objectionable with both male & female members. It goes without saying that there shouldn't be any objectionable behavior, especially against women. But there is neither any logic nor any benefit in attributing the low participation of women entirely on "bad behavior of men". The bad behavior can be condemned without resorting to a dubious argument. And female members can and should point out the bad behavior without wallowing in the self-pity of such an argument.

[singhvp]

Kapil,
Correlation or causation, the attitude/ego of men on the forum does impact participation of female members, if not for any other reason than for the huge difference in number of active male and female members.

Ann, you are right to a great extent but females are also not far behind as far as ego, attitude, snob and rudeness are concerned. They also have a tendency of flaunting off their education, beauty, job status, family background etc. like their male counterparts.

Kapil has mathematically proved that the skewed sex ratio between registered male and female members is the main reason of the lower presence of females and not alone the bad behaviour of male folks. However, bad behaviour is also one of the reasons but that equally affects both the sexes(as pointed out by Kapil and Vijay). After all males also have some sensitivities like females.

[annch]

VP Sir, I translate low woman presence as low participation by women. Not every registered member is an active participant all the time. So, the skew in the participation cannot be mainly attributed to disparity in registration numbers.

Secondly, when a person contemplates becoming a member of Jatland, he/she will not just consider the registration numbers, but also the content of the forum. Speaking from experience, I found jatland while googling for a dear class mate. That person was also a member of JL. I read posts by so many women-
Shweta, Sunita Hooda, Seema, Ritu Di,Neelam Rathi, Neelam Choudhary, Poonam Sansanwal, Poonam Chaudhary, Bharti ji, Deepika, Ruchi. Many more were active on Chaupal. It was this active participation that encouraged me to start posting. If I had not found any or little women participation, I would not have given JL a second thought.

If the environment is not very encouraging, for whatever reason, a woman may register but may never show her presence on the forum. And, because men dominate in number in participation, they are mainly responsible for the environment of the forum.


Ann, you are right to a great extent but females are also not far behind as far as ego, attitude, snob and rudeness are concerned. They also have a tendency of flaunting off their education, beauty, job status, family background etc. like their male counterparts.

Kapil has mathematically proved that the skewed sex ratio between registered male and female members is the main reason of the lower presence of females and not alone the bad behaviour of male folks. However, bad behaviour is also one of the reasons but that equally affects both the sexes(as pointed out by Kapil and Vijay). After all males also have some sensitivities like females.

[singhvp]

VP Sir, I translate low woman presence as low participation by women. Not every registered member is an active participant all the time. So, the skew in the participation cannot be mainly attributed to disparity in registration numbers.

so many women-
Shweta, Sunita Hooda, Seema, Ritu Di,Neelam Rathi, Neelam Choudhary, Poonam Sansanwal, Poonam Chaudhary, Bharti ji, Deepika, Ruchi. Many more were active on Chaupal. It was this active participation that encouraged me to start posting. If I had not found any or little women participation, I would not have given JL a second thought.

.

Ann, your point highlighted in red is very much valid.

The ladies/girls named by you above have really created a vacuum on Jatland. They were the real gems and our community should feel proud of them. Let us hope this post of yours is read by them and they may have a second thought. I endorse your opinion and sincerely hope that Jatland will regain its luster and colours.

[rajneeshantil]

i dont agree with u dhankhar saheb. all the reasons given by you are past anylysis. nowadays, girls use net on their mobiles. facebook, twitter are a child's play for them. no girls seems to do household works. n in misbehaving girls r not less than boys. now we can say that it depends on a person how he is not how he should be. shyness to pata nahi kahan chali gayi. sorry but your views are precious but outdated as far as time is concern.

[rajneeshantil]

hi akshay, buddy she might hv tk u wrong due to the internet vocab/ abbreviation use by u. so always make thing clear before reply in a rude manner. v jats r deemed to be rude but infact there is no community which can rive us in emotions. jats r not rude. v r only naturals. no show off like punjabis n brahmins. jats r the best n a jat rules over every heart.

[rajneeshantil]

absolutely right arvind bhai. we don't know how to speak and when to speak. jats are emotion driven people. we don't create any artificial illusion like multanis n brahmin. jats are simple, honest n truly reliable. jubaan pe jaan de dete hai. proud to be a jat because a jat rules every heart.

[rajneeshantil]

image of a jat needs no polishing, no cover. a jat will remain a jat always. truly madly n deeply a jat coz a jat rules over every heart. that's my best quote buddy.

[Sure]

Dagar Sahab, sorry to add that you may be living in city/urban places our 90% community still living in villages and atleast 90% among them still have Buffalos and cows for milk and among them almost 90% families doing this point4 houseold work mentioned by Mr.VP Singh. So this way if we calculate, 70% famillies of our community doing this job and of course those are females.

[rajneeshantil]

great reply jit bhai to that outdated philosophy. look at chicks nowadays they aren't less than man in any manner.

[rajneeshantil]

aap bina dikhe he dara dete ho dahiya saab. kamal hai. jis din dikhe ga us din te bachi khuci bhi bhag jangi. reham kariyo yaar.

[rajneeshantil]

great aman yaar. kya baat hai. sahi nabz pakri choriya ki. waise ek baat aur bi hai ki nowadays jats mein inferiority complex sabse jyada ho gaya hai. pehla ke hoya karta koi ulta bolya ni ke ek gussa ar uska jbra hila. eb we usually taught our children to be decent ( not like jats) well behaved n particularly speak in hindi only. haryanvi bolna is a sin for most of us. aisa kyuuuuuuuuuuu???? ek jat ko pata hota hai ki dusra admi jat hai par phir bhi hindi bolne ki nakam kosis karta hai. it isn't complex or a narrow mind. but i m proud of myself as being a jat. truly rules in every sphere of my life. n a jat rules over every heart. proud of u also buddy. aise jat ab kum hote ja rahe hai. just rule n be a jat always.

[rajneeshantil]

sahi kaha sir apne, jatnis thoda sa padte hi boy cut karati hai. only just to attain attraction n show themselves superior. sabse aam n sabse buri adat hai ye. ajib se nakre hote hai inke. god bless them so that they may come on right path n walk on land. my views r only for some ubri aur classy woman not for all.

[bls31]

possibly the harsh language used at times

[urmiladuhan]

Urmilaji, in the spirit of scientific analysis (that I honestly believe you wish to champion), I don't think your assertion can be justified. Basically the facts of the case are:

1. Urmila is an educated, independent-minded Jat woman who speaks her mind.
2. The Jat males don't "like" Urmila's posts.

Now the 2 main inferences can be:
1. The Jat males don't like the contents of the posts
2. The Jat males don't like an independent-minded Jat woman.

We can't really do a PHD on a one data point item, that is nothing statistically significant can be inferred just from your example. But I can give some theoretical arguments which negate your assertion:

1. Do Jat females "like" your posts? If not, then isn't it probable that the content of the post is more of an issue rather than this being a gender+ego based issue?
2. Have there been other independent-minded Jat women on this forum whose posts have been liked? While the "like" button is a new development, I certainly know that some independent-minded Jat women were liked and applauded significantly on this forum.
3. Are there Jat males whose posts are never "liked" sufficiently? An affirmative answer to this would suggest that despite having the male gender, you may not be "liked" because of the content.

To conclude, correlation doesn't imply causation.

I know this that I am not popular on this male dominated platform as evidenced from lot of facts. What's new?

[urmiladuhan]

A man will have less chances to face harassment/crap that a woman has to go through from such people, on the open forum and in mails/messages.

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Especially if the woman is expressive and speaks her mind.

[preetikhatri]

I DO AGREE URMILAJI.
well here are such person,whos friend request is rejected by me,n i got personal message from some male members.They have taken as a question of ego.
n try to show that they are much superior,actually dats their illusion only.
MAIN THING IS THAT WHEN U LL COMMENT PERSONALLY NO BODY WILL TAKE IT.
N A DIGNIFIED WOMEN WILL DEFINITELY DEFEND.
sumtym women think rather not to comment or talk to such persons,so they prefer not to be here.

[singhvp]

I know this that I am not popular on this male dominated platform as evidenced from lot of facts. What's new?

Give humility a chance!

[urmiladuhan]

I DO AGREE URMILAJI.
well here are such person,whos friend request is rejected by me,n i got personal message from some male members.They have taken as a question of ego.
n try to show that they are much superior,actually dats their illusion only.
MAIN THING IS THAT WHEN U LL COMMENT PERSONALLY NO BODY WILL TAKE IT.
N A DIGNIFIED WOMEN WILL DEFINITELY DEFEND.
sumtym women think rather not to comment or talk to such persons,so they prefer not to be here.

Yes, in our community, it is difficult for women to come on a public platform - there is so much resistance - from the woman herself and from men too.

[drkarminder]

....other women on jatland must also be seeing ur post nd must agree wd every point of u..
...in fact u should be happy that ur everypost is replied..i mean ,u nd ur posts r not ignored...i hv seen ur all threads hv got appreciable responses...

like nd unlike d post are different..bt finally u r getting discussion...thats all...

[kapdal]

However, it is not fair to expect a woman to react, verbally or emotionally, in the same way as a man would to such a behaviour.


I think that is an advantage. There is no benefit any man gets in reacting emotionally or verbally. It is good if women can keep their grace & poise in the heat of the moment.



A man will have less chances to face harassment/crap that a woman has to go through from such people, on the open forum and in mails/messages.


That's true. But it is not a JL specific phenomenon. It happens across the virtual world on various sites, chat rooms, etc. That doesn't justify anything, but it is what it is.



I may not agree with Urmila Ji's post completely or support her reaction, but she did capture the gist of the general behavior of many male members if not the entire male population on Jatland.

Well, then we are not really discussing "low participation of women on JL". My point is that % of active females on JL is not low because of bad behavior of males. Some females may have left JL in disgust- but so have men!

We are discussing "Bad behavior of men towards women". In a perfect world, we'd have been discussing bad behavior of members to other members. There is a massive male majority on this forum, and hence the cases of men's bad behavior would obviously be more apparent. But even with their small population, examples from females too exist. Atleast I have seen cases where female members have made unncessarily provocative/hostile/mocking comments in the garb of being brave. Gender doesn't determine behavior.

[kapdal]

Yes, in our community, it is difficult for women to come on a public platform - there is so much resistance - from the woman herself and from men too.

Which community is different in this aspect? In India?

[sunillathwal]

I blame female foeticide :p

[Sure]

aap bina dikhe he dara dete ho dahiya saab. kamal hai. jis din dikhe ga us din te bachi khuci bhi bhag jangi. reham kariyo yaar.

Good Day Mr. Rajneesh Antil, I dont have an intention to take this discussion thread towards another direction, but i like to mention that there is a hell lot of difference between darna and avoid karna, you think that females are afraid of these net vocabularies, infact they are avoiding such stupid Quotes. please give a silent thought towards it that how many females have actually ran from his home after seeing him. I strongly belive that Dahiya sahab have very good and strong familly relation values with inhis home and village.

[dahiyarocks]

aap bina dikhe he dara dete ho dahiya saab. kamal hai. jis din dikhe ga us din te bachi khuci bhi bhag jangi. reham kariyo yaar.
arre ki ne keh se???????

[Sure]

arre ki ne keh se???????
With due respect Sumit Dahiya, i had just rplyied to Rajneesh Antil's Quote about you. Hope you liked my views and beliefs, have a nice day Sumit thank you and my request to you that please dont take this thread away from the main topic.

[dahiyarocks]

With due respect Sumit Dahiya, i had just rplyied to Rajneesh Antil's Quote about you. Hope you liked my views and beliefs, have a nice day Sumit thank you and my request to you that please dont take this thread away from the main topic.

bhai topic te dur te 4 commenta bad apne aap chala ja se...........

ar moderator jwab ni dete kyaeka.....bta ke kare???????

[Sure]

sab aapni aapni soch rakhan hain Sumit, hamara kaam kisi mein khot na nikal kar oosko sahara dene ka banta hai kyunki hai toh yahan sab aapni comunity ke. Aur jawab agar nahi bhi milta hai toh dhoondne mein kya jata hai thoda bahut intjaar aur thodi bahut aur mehnat. impossible ko tod de te hain toh i m possible ban jata hai. aur fir hum jaat hain todne mein toh mahir hi hain. by the i like the way your contibutions are, very few can understand the sweetness of our harsh language, ye itni mithi goli nahi hai but still with full of nutrients. thanks.

[singhvp]

खामखाँ की अल्बाद मैं ये महिला भी घाट कोन्या I छोरयाँ का घणा सा कसूर ना सै I कुछ महिलाओं को अवांछनीय, अप्रासंगिक और व्यक्तिगत टिप्पणियाँ करने में महारत हासिल होती है जिसके कुछ प्रमाण इस वेब-साईट पर भी उपलब्ध हैं जो उनकी inbuilt खीझ, संगदिली और तंग सोच को इंगित करते है I यह भी देखने में आया है कि कुछ महिलाएं कुछ अल्बादी छोकरों के साथ लामबंद होकर शरीफ आदमियों का यहाँ ठहरना दूभर करने की फ़िराक में रहती हैं (खास कर जब कोई उनके घिसे पिटे चुटकलों और बेकार के गोस्सिप में शरीक नहीं हो और उनकी weird पोस्ट्स को चुनौती दे डाले). मैं स्वयं महिलाओं के समान अधिकारों का पक्षधर रहा हूँ, पर जाटलैंड पर ज्यों ज्यों आगे बढ़ रहा हूँ, दृष्टिकोण में परिवर्तन सा होता जा रहा है I


written by a female member

.....bebe nae to band kar diya
ibb sab bawala ki tariya mande rahve tae k kare
bhai.
kuch superherohttp://www.jatland.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif ghanne ae kudne laag http://www.jatland.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif re hai
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my dad is wid me wen i m rplying d thread on my laptop.
do u have any problem.
mind yr own business,i knw wht i m saying n to whom n wen.
my flngs r for my loved one.
u r nobody to comment lik dis on prsnl view.

[dahiyarocks]

sab aapni aapni soch rakhan hain Sumit, hamara kaam kisi mein khot na nikal kar oosko sahara dene ka banta hai kyunki hai toh yahan sab aapni comunity ke. Aur jawab agar nahi bhi milta hai toh dhoondne mein kya jata hai thoda bahut intjaar aur thodi bahut aur mehnat. impossible ko tod de te hain toh i m possible ban jata hai. aur fir hum jaat hain todne mein toh mahir hi hain. by the i like the way your contibutions are, very few can understand the sweetness of our harsh language, ye itni mithi goli nahi hai but still with full of nutrients. thanks.
bhai sahab admin roz aawe se ar comment bhi kare se...........

per meri batta ka jwab ni deta.........

ar jab dewega jab tai mein kitte samundrer mein hounga..........

btao ke fyada howega jab diye od jwab ka

[dahiyarocks]

खामखाँ की अल्बाद मैं ये महिला भी घाट कोन्या I छोरयाँ का घणा सा कसूर ना सै I कुछ महिलाओं को अवांछनीय, अप्रासंगिक और व्यक्तिगत टिप्पणियाँ करने में महारत हासिल होती है जिसके कुछ प्रमाण इस वेब-साईट पर भी उपलब्ध हैं जो उनकी inbuilt खीझ, संगदिली और तंग सोच को इंगित करते है I यह भी देखने में आया है कि कुछ महिलाएं कुछ अल्बादी छोकरों के साथ लामबंद होकर शरीफ आदमियों का यहाँ ठहरना दूभर करने की फ़िराक में रहती हैं (खास कर जब कोई उनके घिसे पिटे चुटकलों और बेकार के गोस्सिप में शरीक नहीं हो और उनकी weird पोस्ट्स को चुनौती दे डाले). मैं स्वयं महिलाओं के समान अधिकारों का पक्षधर रहा हूँ, पर जाटलैंड पर ज्यों ज्यों आगे बढ़ रहा हूँ, दृष्टिकोण में परिवर्तन सा होता जा रहा है I

dekhiyo kde khud bhi badal jao

[singhvp]

dekhiyo kde khud bhi badal jao

भाई दहिया साहब, बदलाव तो प्रकृति का नियम सै, आदमी नै भी इसके हिसाब तैं ढलना पड़े सै, पर म्हारे हाथ में सिर्फ दृष्टिकोण को ढालना है बाकी काम पृकृति का है I
पर या साची बात सै महिला अल्बाद करण मै घाट कोन्या जै मौका मिल ज्य़ा तो I मैं जाटलैंड पर 2002 मैं आग्या था,(कुछ दिन सक्रिय ना रह्या तो नाम कट गया और फेर दुबारा 2006 मैं नाम लिखवाया ) मेरा यह अनुभव रहा है कि जाटलैंड पर मेरी जो ragging शुरू शुरू में हुई उसमे एक दो महिला का भी हाथ था I

[dahiyarocks]

bhai aurat wo chiz hai jo base hue ghar jo ujad de or chahe toh ujde hue ko swar de

[preetikhatri]

Mr. V P SINGH
aap age me kafi bade hai so aapse iss tarah bat nhi ki ja skti.
frst k aapka comment hindi me hai jo yaha display nhi hota,jo main answer karu.
Second mere dono hi comment aapke liye nhi the jo aapne rply kiye?
FACT IS DAT Y PRSNL COMMENTS?
thread kuch or hai
mujhpe personal comment karne wale ko muhtod jawab dena b aata hai,or muh todna bhi.
HUMILATION USKA HO SKTA HAI JO HUMILATE HO SAKE.
I M NT HERE TO PLZ ANYONE.
APNI NAAK KOI MERE COMMENTS ME GHUSAYEGA TO JAWAB DENA AATA HAI MUJHE
MIND IT

[singhvp]

Preeti, I know both the comments were not for me but a third member also has a right to make observations on a social forum if the context requires. What is wrong in that?? If you think I am elder than you then you have got to listen to your elders if you follow the Jat culture or even Indian culture.

[Sure]

bhai sahab admin roz aawe se ar comment bhi kare se...........

per meri batta ka jwab ni deta.........

ar jab dewega jab tai mein kitte samundrer mein hounga..........

btao ke fyada howega jab diye od jwab ka
We will find you then, cause we will miss you. Planet Earth is not so big now a days that we can not trace you, even if you are in samunder.

[dahiyarocks]

bhai jab network e na aawe te kit te toho ge.........

ha nu se ek saal mein ulta aaunga jab te toh e lyoge

[dahiyarocks]

Preeti, I know both the comments were not for me but a third member also has a right to make observations on a social forum if the context requires. What is wrong in that?? If you think I am elder than you then you have got to listen to your elders if you follow the Jat culture or even Indian culture.

vp g waise bat preti ki bhi sahi ki ki hum ek chiz ko discuss karte hue personal kyo hote hai???????/

[drkarminder]

जाटों की dictionary मैं जो words missing हैं -
"apology ","sorry ",forget it ".
और जाट जहाँ पीछे रह जाता है इन तीन चीज़ के कारण :
"rude behaviour" "mistake , "jawab देना".
rude behaviour-apology
mistake-sorry
jawab dena-forget it
That can not be corrected without including the above words in our dictionary .

[dahiyarocks]

howen bhi koni ................

[preetikhatri]

SINGH SIR
do u knw actual reason?
thread heading kya hai?
comment kiya 'love u paa' pe
JAB PUBLIC FORUM PE PYAR MOHABBAT ARR OR BAKWAS HO SAKE HAI
TO APNE PARENTS K LIYE AFFECTION JATA K GUNAH NA KAR DIYA MAINE.
kisiki frnd request reject kardo to lagjao prsnl comment karane?
ya culture hai?
apni culture k hisab se koi faltu bole to muh tod do.
inn me se ek b muh pe bol k dekhe legal action b lena aata hai or khal b utarva lu
ye culture hai,naki sunke chup baith jau
PRSNL COMMENTS R NOT BEARABLE
MIND IT ALL

[Sure]

Mr. V P SINGH
aap age me kafi bade hai so aapse iss tarah bat nhi ki ja skti.
frst k aapka comment hindi me hai jo yaha display nhi hota,jo main answer karu.
Second mere dono hi comment aapke liye nhi the jo aapne rply kiye?
FACT IS DAT Y PRSNL COMMENTS?
thread kuch or hai
mujhpe personal comment karne wale ko muhtod jawab dena b aata hai,or muh todna bhi.
HUMILATION USKA HO SKTA HAI JO HUMILATE HO SAKE.
I M NT HERE TO PLZ ANYONE.
APNI NAAK KOI MERE COMMENTS ME GHUSAYEGA TO JAWAB DENA AATA HAI MUJHE
MIND IT

Gussa hamara culture nahi hai. ye hamare savbhav mein bus chuka hai. sukh smiridhi ke liye we must get rid of this habbit and should start respecting Chhota ho Ya Bada.
Apni baat rakhanne mein aur warning dene mein bahut farak hai. baat iis tarah rakho ki pura matlab jo tum kahana chahte ho woh samajh mein aa jaye. Preeti I think you must delete two words from your quote "Mind it". i assure you that after this you will feel much relaxed.
VP- read in copy, thanks for you right guidance.

[drkarminder]

howen bhi koni ................
वो ते बेरा से मन्ने ...में सोच रह्या था या लड़ाई ए क्यूकर थम जा ..
बजाओ भाई ज़ूत...अपां ते कोई चुटकुला सोचना सुरु कर्लेवा सां फेर ..

[amankadian]

Gussa hamara culture nahi hai. ye hamare savbhav mein bus chuka hai. sukh smiridhi ke liye we must get rid of this habbit and should start respecting Chhota ho Ya Bada.
Apni baat rakhanne mein aur warning dene mein bahut farak hai. baat iis tarah rakho ki pura matlab jo tum kahana chahte ho woh samajh mein aa jaye. Preeti I think you must delete two words from your quote "Mind it". i assure you that after this you will feel much relaxed.
VP- read in copy, thanks for you right guidance. Are you teacher buddy or Guru.com ?

[dahiyarocks]

वो ते बेरा से मन्ने ...में सोच रह्या था या लड़ाई ए क्यूकर थम जा ..
बजाओ भाई ज़ूत...अपां ते कोई चुटकुला सोचना सुरु कर्लेवा सां फेर ..



chutkle te real life experience te bana kare se..............

naam bdal badal ke.............

soch ke te parcha likha ja se

[Sure]

bhai jab network e na aawe te kit te toho ge.........

ha nu se ek saal mein ulta aaunga jab te toh e lyoge
Jahaj aur company ka naam bata kar jaiye. aur fir meri pahunch dekh.

[dahiyarocks]

Jahaj aur company ka naam bata kar jaiye. aur fir meri pahunch dekh.

arre itni pahuch se te ek be company mein e pahuchwa de ne..............

[singhvp]

SINGH SIR
do u knw actual reason?
thread heading kya hai?
comment kiya 'love u paa' pe
JAB PUBLIC FORUM PE PYAR MOHABBAT ARR OR BAKWAS HO SAKE HAI
TO APNE PARENTS K LIYE AFFECTION JATA K GUNAH NA KAR DIYA MAINE.
kisiki frnd request reject kardo to lagjao prsnl comment karane?
ya culture hai?
apni culture k hisab se koi faltu bole to muh tod do.
inn me se ek b muh pe bol k dekhe legal action b lena aata hai or khal b utarva lu
ye culture hai,naki sunke chup baith jau
PRSNL COMMENTS R NOT BEARABLE
MIND IT ALL

Preeti, you may be having some genuine reasons to get angry, and I may not be aware of that. But, there are decent ways also without being abusive and aggressive. You have the option to report the post or complain to the moderators. If they do not take any action, you may like to share your grievances on the proper thread "About Jatland". I do not harbour any personal grudge against you as we never have had any interaction. My only intention is to do my bit to make the atmosphere on JL more healthy and decent so that we are able to project the image of our community in a better way. Please do not take it personal. I always try my best not to show any bias but sometimes prejudices are imposed on me and, at times, I have to retaliate. But, I would be the last person to nurture and tolerate any indecency against women.

[Sure]

Are you teacher buddy or Guru.com ?
No I am just trying to stop the conflicts, which is for no reason at all and for which our comunity is known too.

[drkarminder]

chutkle te real life experience te bana kare se..............

naam bdal badal ke.............

soch ke te parcha likha ja se

ha ha ha...फेर इब के में पर्चे बाटना सुरु करू जाटलैंड पे .. भाई जोके का section है तो joke ए सोचूंगा
अर्र तू के joke की ATM मशीन है जो बिना सोचे जोके सुना देगा

[drkarminder]

Are you teacher buddy or Guru.com ?
हा हा हा ..मारग्या point ...
घणे मज़े ना लिव तू बिच में ...

[dahiyarocks]

ha ha ha...फेर इब के में पर्चे बाटना सुरु करू जाटलैंड पे .. भाई जोके का section है तो joke ए सोचूंगा
अर्र तू के joke की ATM मशीन है जो बिना सोचे जोके सुना देगा

bhai tere bat smaj e na aai meri.........

[ssgoyat]

mujhpe personal comment karne wale ko muhtod jawab dena b aata hai,or muh todna bhi.

APNI NAAK KOI MERE COMMENTS ME GHUSAYEGA TO JAWAB DENA AATA HAI MUJHE
MIND IT



inn me se ek b muh pe bol k dekhe legal action b lena aata hai or khal b utarva lu
ye culture hai,naki sunke chup baith jau


शांति शांति ...
......
@ everyone
ये आज हो क्या रहा है... जाटलैंड पे ... कोई बताएगा..?????
किसका मुह तोडा जा रहा है... किसकी खाल खिंची जा रही है .... और क्यूँ ?? :confused:

[drkarminder]

i pay my apology to all memebers who presently are seriosly discussing dis thread on this section

specially ..preeti ji,v.p sir ji. and surender singh ji...
my intention was to dilute d tension between u ppl to make sm light jokes or comments..

bt i please request u all not to get personal nd fight among urself..
thank u dahiya ji....unhone kaafi saath diya ise light karne k liye..

[dahiyarocks]

i pay my apology to all memebers who presently are seriosly discussing dis thread on this section

specially ..preeti ji,v.p sir ji. and surender singh ji...
my intention was to dilute d tension between u ppl to make sm light jokes or comments..

bt i please request u all not to get personal nd fight among urself..


thank u..

ghani lite na dikha.....kde aag lag jya u te bhi

yaad rakhiye gehu gella dhun bhi pissya kare se

[drkarminder]

ghani lite na dikha.....kde aag lag jya u te bhi

yaad rakhiye gehu gella dhun bhi pissya kare se

o.k dahiya ji ...any more suggestions...

[Sure]

hi everyone, nothing serious have a nice day and keep smiling. wish everyone a very happy discussion and have nice one again.

[dahiyarocks]

o.k dahiya ji ...any more suggestions...

na mein bhi thoda lite mood karu tha logga ka

[dahiyarocks]

hi everyone, nothing serious have a nice day and keep smiling. wish everyone a very happy discussion and have nice one again.

pachli baat ka jwab na diya aapne???????

[Sure]

dont you seen that my login id is sure. have a nice one and be connected.

[drkarminder]

pachli baat ka jwab na diya aapne???????

डट ज्या खागड़ सारी लड़ाई आज ए करेगा..

[dahiyarocks]

dont you seen that my login id is sure. have a nice one and be connected.

pher datna ke se...........kal e chadwa de jahaj pe.............

[dahiyarocks]

डट ज्या खागड़ सारी लड़ाई आज ए करेगा..
na mein te sudda balak su.........

kisse te ni ladta........

[urmiladuhan]

hi everyone, nothing serious have a nice day and keep smiling. wish everyone a very happy discussion and have nice one again.

What a nice message!!! Thank you :) I will :)

[urmiladuhan]

Which community is different in this aspect? In India?

I don't know.

[urmiladuhan]

i pay my apology to all memebers who presently are seriosly discussing dis thread on this section

specially ..preeti ji,v.p sir ji. and surender singh ji...
my intention was to dilute d tension between u ppl to make sm light jokes or comments..

bt i please request u all not to get personal nd fight among urself..
thank u dahiya ji....unhone kaafi saath diya ise light karne k liye..

Thank you, thankyou! It is a much needed and wonderful gesture on your part to have taken the initiative in the interest of peace and harmony!!
JL needs more people like you :)

[dahiyarocks]

Thank you, thankyou! It is a much needed and wonderful gesture on your part to have taken the initiative in the interest of peace and harmony!!
JL needs more people like you :)

madam g dekh liyo kde chid jya yo

[drkarminder]

madam g dekh liyo kde chid jya yo

मैडम जी ते ना करे नाराज पैर तू ज़रूर करदेगा ..lol (laugh out loud):p

[Moar]

bhai aurat wo chiz hai jo base hue ghar jo ujad de or chahe toh ujde hue ko swar de bai G, inka kuchh ni pataa... koyisee toh Maajaaya nae bhi aapas mein katwa devain! Arr, koi-koi Bhaagaa aali, saare bikhray ghar nai bhi thaam layvain!

[singhvp]

bhai aurat wo chiz hai jo base hue ghar jo ujad de or chahe toh ujde hue ko swar de

Your statement implies that women are whimsical and know no logic and rationality!! Is that what you mean??? If this is the case, Jatland is on their tender mercy:)

[dahiyarocks]

मैडम जी ते ना करे नाराज पैर तू ज़रूर करदेगा ..lol (laugh out loud):p

kyu mein ke teri jhoti kholu su???????

[dahiyarocks]

Your statement implies that women are whimsical and know no logic and rationality!! Is that what you mean??? If this is the case, Jatland is on their tender mercy:)

na kti ni...........
de can be logical and rational..........it all depends on their mood........
dont forget how many avatar shakti maa took.........

de all wer part of one figure only..............

kaali maa had also two forms......
one which everyone knows is her fierce form and other was shanti kaali........

[urmiladuhan]

kaali maa had also two forms......
one which everyone knows is her fierce form and other was shanti kaali........

Extremism? I don't know if this can be generalized only for women.

[Sure]

My apologies to everyone on JL for my long absence, I was traveling and now too tired, meet you all on Monday, for contibution on the topic.

[dahiyarocks]

Extremism? I don't know if this can be generalized only for women.


madam g aap mne galat le re so..........


mne upper ek bat kahi thi ke "bhai aurat wo chiz hai jo base hue ghar jo ujad de or chahe toh ujde hue ko swar de"

jiske jwab mein vp g ne kahi ke "Your statement implies that women are whimsical and know no logic and rationality!! Is that what you mean??? If this is the case, Jatland is on their tender mercy:)"

te mne jwab diya ke ---"na kti ni...........
de can be logical and rational..........it all depends on their mood........
dont forget how many avatar shakti maa took.........

de all wer part of one figure only..............

kaali maa had also two forms......
one which everyone knows is her fierce form and other was shanti kaali........ "

eb btao ke kehna tha aapne

[urmiladuhan]

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eb btao ke kehna tha aapne

Hindi written in hindi (I know there is a separate word for it but I am so out of touch for a long time) is easier to read.

[urmiladuhan]

My apologies to everyone on JL for my long absence, I was traveling and now too tired, meet you all on Monday, for contibution on the topic.

No worries!

[dahiyarocks]

Hindi written in hindi (I know there is a separate word for it but I am so out of touch for a long time) is easier to read.

aapka tatparye kya hai?????

[urmiladuhan]

aapka tatparye kya hai?????

he he he :) I think I have become better at Jaatu than Hindi - all thanks to Jatland! Kindly translate in Jaatu for my convenience.

[dahiyarocks]

he he he :) I think I have become better at Jaatu than Hindi - all thanks to Jatland! Kindly translate in Jaatu for my convenience.

kehna ke chawe se

[Sure]

Lets back to topic, one of the reasons for less presence of females members are that Male members are not encouraging females to take part in a social matter, even if a female is blessed with all sorts of leadership approaches with intellectual management skill. I had not come across a single Female Sarpanch or Panchayat Member of any village until unless seat is not reserved for Females. I don’t know, how many J L male members had encouraged their own female family members to join this social forum to contribute their logical point of views to the related threads. So before putting this question, I tried my own family female members for the same and what was the outcome let me share this, One of my Bhatiji “yahan bhi Jaat lad rahein hain, hum Aurtein inko kahan kahan se sudharengi” ( even on net Jaats are fighting, we regards warrior qualities Of Jaats but not pangebaji). Another Bhanji said “ Jaat males itne protective hain females ke liye ki unko samaj ka samna karne nahi dete aur samaj ke samne darpok bana detein hain. Agar Jaatnia oonse samajhdar baat bhi karein toh ye kahane wale kum nahi hain ki ye besaram ho gayi hain (Mama ji not now let these men be little more matured and let some more mentors to join).

[riyaa]

I will say....

Is Jatland par Moderators aur Administrators lao....JO Kam Kare
Girls apne aap hi participate karengi.......
Jaha tak mai janti hun yaha koi bhi aisi ladki nhi hogi jisse topic mai participate karne ke baad bad comments na diye gaye ho...so apni insult kon kareyga, aur agar Ladkiyan Reply kare tou woh tou phir bhaand ban jati hai...

[upendersingh]

I will say....

Is Jatland par Moderators aur Administrators lao....JO Kam Kare
Girls apne aap hi participate karengi.......
Jaha tak mai janti hun yaha koi bhi aisi ladki nhi hogi jisse topic mai participate karne ke baad bad comments na diye gaye ho...so apni insult kon kareyga, aur agar Ladkiyan Reply kare tou woh tou phir bhaand ban jati hai...

Riya Ji, life is an art to be learnt. If some well qualified person is named 'illiterate' by others, then that person should not get irritated, but just laugh upon the others. If one is not bhaand or so, then one should just laugh upon those people.
If other say to someone that his/her ears are cut, then he/she shouldn't get upset or pounce upon the others. Just check the ears. If they are not cut, then laugh upon the others. If one hasn't learnt this lesson of life, then this tough world will not let live.

[Sure]

I will say....

Is Jatland par Moderators aur Administrators lao....JO Kam Kare
Girls apne aap hi participate karengi.......
Jaha tak mai janti hun yaha koi bhi aisi ladki nhi hogi jisse topic mai participate karne ke baad bad comments na diye gaye ho...so apni insult kon kareyga, aur agar Ladkiyan Reply kare tou woh tou phir bhaand ban jati hai...

You are right Riya Ji, i got almost same reply from family members too. So everyone is not ready, it is not the question of maturity it is only with the nonsense.

[Sure]

Riya Ji, life is an art to be learnt. If some well qualified person is named 'illiterate' by others, then that person should not get irritated, but just laugh upon the others. If one is not bhaand or so, then one should just laugh upon those people.
If other say to someone that his/her ears are cut, then he/she shouldn't get upset or pounce upon the others. Just check the ears. If they are not cut, then laugh upon the others. If one hasn't learnt this lesson of life, then this tough world will not let live.

Upender Singh ji what you wrote here is very right for the persons with strong and matured brains, females are very senstive and to be treated like in the same manner. consequences of collecting bad memories are not going to help in real life and any bad comment even on this net life can become the cause of hurting youself through out life.

[riyaa]

Riya Ji, life is an art to be learnt. If some well qualified person is named 'illiterate' by others, then that person should not get irritated, but just laugh upon the others.
I know life is an art to be learnt par kya galiyan..Everyone don't have so much of patience level, which you are talking about...yes illiterate people is abusing us and we should enjoy there comments and laugh..like "oh..great he abused my me n my family."..yeh literacy nhi befkufi hogi..


If one is not bhaand or so, then one should just laugh upon those people.
haan kyun nhi woh gali dae aur hum hasae wah wah kya gali di maza aagaya ....irshaad..Sir jee Galat ko galat kahogae tou accha lagta hai par kisi shi ko galat kahogae tou obvious he will revolt.


If other say to someone that his/her ears are cut, then he/she shouldn't get upset or pounce upon the others. Just check the ears. If they are not cut, then laugh upon the others.

Julm sehnae se jalim ki help hoti hai..koi galat kaha aur hum has jaye, itna gandhiwadi koi ni hota...mujhe hairani ki aap jaatland mai patience aur adjustment ki baate bta rahe jo yaha par sabse jyada missing hai...


If one hasn't learnt this lesson of life, then this tough world will not let live
he he eh..Unoriginal thoughts
We decide our world..society is like a mirror, we get back what we show them..
Gandhi style choado sir jee...
Dusra gaal aage karogae tou us par bhi thappad hi padega, Kyun n a hath hi tod do ke dubara uthe naa...

[upendersingh]

@Riya


My suggestions were not meant for abusive language or hitting. In such cases you have said absolutely right. In such cases one should take promt action according to one's ability. But as far as I know you were never given any serious names directly. You have been taunted undirectly here and other also are criticised mostly indirectly. So, my suggestions were for such cases.

[upendersingh]

Upender Singh ji what you wrote here is very right for the persons with strong and matured brains, females are very senstive and to be treated like in the same manner. consequences of collecting bad memories are not going to help in real life and any bad comment even on this net life can become the cause of hurting youself through out life.

Surender Ji, some women (though % is quite low) know very well how to deal with bad comments, but yes such strength and ability comes with maturity.

[urmiladuhan]

Surender Ji, some women (though % is quite low) know very well how to deal with bad comments, but yes such strength and ability comes with maturity.

also comes with education - my personal experience.