पी एम हो तो मोदी जैसा........... [Archive]

jatshiva1947

June 19th, 2012, 11:08 PM

नरेंद्र मोदी एक ऐसा नाम जिसको लोग देश के भविष्य विकास हिंसा मुक्त समाज के रूप में देख रहे हैं। हम मानते हैं कि गुजरात में दंगे हुए थे और उस बारें में पता नही कोन कोन सी कमैटिया बैठाकर देख ली सरकार ने लेकिन परिणाम जस के तस। देश का दुर्भाग्य है कि यहां राजनीति जो होती है वो किसी मुद्दे को लेकर नही होती यहां पर होती है जाति के नाम पर धर्म के नाम पर सम्प्रदाय के नाम पर भाषा के नाम पर। यहां के नेताओं को विकास से कोई लेना देना नही है, कोई मरता मरो उन्हे चाहिए जो करोंङों खर्च करके जीते हैं उनसे 10 गुणा कैसे बने। मैंने तो आज तक मोदी जी का नाम किसी घोटाले में नही सुना। हां एक दिन जब उनका सद्भावना उपवास था तो मैं शुरू से ही देख रहा था मैं ही क्या सारा देश देख रहा था। वो उपवास पर बैठने से पहले अपनी मां का आशिर्वाद लेने के लिए उनके निवास स्थान पर गये तो उस भोली और भारतीय मां ने इस सपुत को एक रामायण और 101 रूपया दिया था। और शायद उस दिन जी जन्मदिन था। क्या देश को ये दृष्य याद नही अगर यही जन्मदिन मायावती का या सोनिया जी होता तो आपको पता ही क्या भेंट दी जाती।

हां यह भी सत्य है कि मोदी जी सख्त शाशक है और यह होना भी बहुत आवस्यक है जो शाशक सख्त नही होगा मुलायम होगा वहां पर व्यवस्था बिगङती ही रहेगी देख लो देश का हाल। और भगवान ने गीता में भी कहा है हे अर्जुन शाशन करने वालों में यमराज हुं में……. तो यह भी कोई गलत नही है। यह काल अंधकार का काल है लुट खसोट का समय है सब सोचते हैं कि किसी भी तरह से धनादि का संग्रह कर लो पता नही कल क्या हो हम सरकार में दोबारा आये या ना आये। मोदी जी के गले में हमने तो आज तक नोटो की माला नही देखी। और जैसा मैंने सुना है कि उनके खाते में एक या दो लाख से ज्यादा रूपये भी नही होंगे। तो ऐसे आदमी पर क्या हम उंगली उठा सकते हैं। जब भ्रष्ट लोगों को उनके खिलाफ कुछ नही हाथ लगता तो 2002 के दंगो की चिंगारी से उनका बेदाग सफेद कुर्ते को जलाने की सोचते हैं लेकिन उन मुर्खों को नही पता कि उस सफेद कुर्तें वो शील वस्त्र है जो प्रहलाद को होली की आग के अंदर से भी सुरक्षित निकाल लाया था।

दंगे में काफी लोग मारे गये थे लेकिन जो लोग अयोध्या से आ रहे थे उनको कोई नही याद करता जिन बेचारों को रेल के अंदर जिंदा जला दिया गया था, हां उनको याद करके अपना वोटबैंक भरने की योजना बनाते रहते हैं जो असली दंगे में मारे गये थे कोई भी दंगा एक तरफ से नही होता। वो तो मोदी जी की समझदारी देखो की किस तरह से हालातों को सुधारा और उसके बाद में आज तक कोई कर्फ्यु नही लगा वरना वहां के हालात ऐसे थे कि आये दिन बंद करना पङता था।

जो लोग दंगे में मारे हुए लोगो की दुहाई देकर कहते हैं मोदी दोषी है उनको किसी से कोई लेना देना नही है बस वोटों की आग है।

हिंसा तो हिंसा है उसमें कोई यह नही देखता कि मरने वाला कोन है।

और एक सबसे बङी बात देखो राजनीति की एक बदमाश जिसकें आतंकियों से नाता था दर्जन भर से भी ज्यादा केस चल रहे थे सोहराबुदीन उसका एनकाउंटर हुआ उस केस में 3 आई पी एस अधिकारी और एक मंत्री को जेल जाना पङा। मैं तो आपसे ही पुछता हुं कि अपराध हिंसा अन्याय अत्याचार खत्म करना गलत है क्या ……… अगर गलत है तो मोदी भी गलत है

Moar

June 19th, 2012, 11:36 PM

इतिहास के मुद्दे पर नरेन्द्र मोदी क्या राय रखते हैं ?!

malikdeepak1

June 20th, 2012, 07:56 AM

Problem is, when UPA starts falling apart, NDA falls apart even faster!

VirJ

June 20th, 2012, 08:03 AM

i personally admire modi

itne muslim marwaye gujarat mei

बडाई करे हे के बुराई. वैसे मेने या id १०० % असली नहीं लगती

vicky84

June 20th, 2012, 09:35 AM

Problem is, when UPA starts falling apart, NDA falls apart even faster!
Ye problem to jab se desh azaad hua hai tabse hai..Strong opposition hai hi nahi.. Regional parties jayada hain,, jinme ek tarah se sehmati hona bahut muskil hota hai..India ki Diversity ka ek nuksaan ye bhi hai..

rekhasmriti

June 20th, 2012, 04:10 PM

Dear Vipin ,

I guess I m famous in all negative ways here
'
'pehle metre nam ko lekar - lamba discussion

phir- metri language ko lekar

now meri id ko lekar

bhaisab i get assure u this is not fake

n burayee toh hai hi usmei- katatr hindi

godhra mei kitne marwaye usne

how i know- us time TOI mei el columen aata tha- riots par -

agar aap woh padhte then u would have realised

kya kiya tha usne

i admire him- coz he has doen gr8 development in gujarat

बडाई करे हे के बुराई. वैसे मेने या id १०० % असली नहीं लगती

swaich

June 20th, 2012, 04:47 PM

I differ here. He might be good for the economy but he might not be good for the social fabric of the country.

And I think it has been written extensively that Modi hasn't done nothing exceptional in Gujarat. Gujarat was always one of the better states in India and Modi has continued the same wave of development. He does deserve credit for that.

In fact in some social indicators, like infant mortality, Gujarat has actually gone down in Modi's time.

rekhasmriti

June 20th, 2012, 05:02 PM

Being a better state- n doing exceptionally well 2 different things

specially after earthquake n godhara tragedy

reviving complete state

n gaining full support from all religion is no doubt amazing

I differ here. He might be good for the economy but he might not be good for the social fabric of the country.

And I think it has been written extensively that Modi hasn't done nothing exceptional in Gujarat. Gujarat was always one of the better states in India and Modi has continued the same wave of development. He does deserve credit for that.

In fact in some social indicators, like infant mortality, Gujarat has actually gone down in Modi's time.

swaich

June 20th, 2012, 05:10 PM

Being a better state- n doing exceptionally well 2 different things

specially after earthquake n godhara tragedy

reviving complete state

n gaining full support from all religion is no doubt amazing

Thats what I said. The state isnt doing exceptionally well, just better than others as always.

And why do you say he has full support of all religions? If electoral victory is your sole indicator than you must know, Muslims are only 10% of the population is Gujarat.

swaich

June 20th, 2012, 05:26 PM

Here are a few states, doing comparably or even better than Gujarat.

State/union territory

2004-05 GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2005-06 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2006-07 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2007-08 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2008-09 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2009-10 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2010-11 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2011-12 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2005-06 % Growth over the previous year

2006-07 % Growth over the previous year

2007-08 % Growth over the previous year

2008-09 % Growth over the previous year

2009-10 % Growth over the previous year

2010-11 % Growth over the previous year

2011-12 % Growth over the previous year

file:///C:\DOCUME~1\jswaich\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\ clip_image002.gif India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India)

2,971,464

3,253,073

3,564,364

3,896,636

4,158,676

4,507,637

4,885,954

5,222,027

9.48

9.57

9.32

6.72

8.39

8.39

6.88

Maharashtra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharashtra)

413,826

473,801

540,750

599,062

619,291

701,550

775,020

N.A

14.49

14.13

10.78

3.38

13.28

10.47

N.A

Himachal Pradesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himachal_Pradesh)

21,189

23,743

26,247

28,873

33,115

38,004

44,348

50,797

12.05

10.55

10.00

14.69

14.76

16.69

14.54

Andaman and Nicobar Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_and_Nicobar_Islands)Territory

1,633

1,848

2,296

2,715

3,168

3,595

3,760

4,147

13.17

24.24

18.25

16.69

13.48

4.59

10.29

Tamil Nadu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu)

219,003

249,567

287,530

305,157

320,085

350,258

391,372

428,109

13.96

15.21

6.13

4.89

9.43

11.74

9.39

Gujarat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat)

203,373

233,776

253,393

281,273

300,341

330,671

365,295

N.A

14.95

8.39

11.00

6.78

10.10

10.47

N.A

Bihar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihar)

77,781

78,494

92,427

99,492

113,994

125,875

144,472

163,439

0.92

17.75

7.64

14.58

10.42

14.77

13.13

Uttarakhand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarakhand)

24,786

28,268

32,260

38,015

42,837

47,599

51,107

55,606

14.05

14.12

17.84

12.68

11.12

7.37

8.80

Jammu & Kashmir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_%26_Kashmir)

23,292

25,278

27,652

30,720

34,290

38,735

43,716

49,388

8.53

9.39

11.10

11.62

12.96

12.86

12.97

jatshiva1947

June 20th, 2012, 10:02 PM

rekhasmriti

June 21st, 2012, 03:53 AM

I know that sir they were coming from some pilgrimage something

that does not give nay hindu right to kill innocent muslim

jisne kiya usse pakadte n n chahe zinda jala dete

but not innocent muslims

rekha ji aap ek bat batao ki jab modi gujrat mai itna vikas kar sakta hai to desh ma bhi kar sakta hai.... or jo gujrat mai huva huva ushka jimmedar modi nahi hai... app bhul gayi jo log train mai arahe the unhe kis tarah se jinda jala diya gaya tha... ham nahi bhule hai

rekhasmriti

June 21st, 2012, 03:55 AM

swaich

June 21st, 2012, 11:22 AM

hmmmmmmmmmm

surrender- yeh nahi pata tha mujhe

but if it is not exceptionally well- how come i just heard about gujarat growth rate just now adyas

not years back

ya tok baki bahut kar arhe hai - islye gujarat chamkta dikhayee de raha hai

maruti gayee gujarat mei - nanao gayee gujarate mei- ab IT inducstry bhi

sir g - yeh pehle kabhi nahi hua

Gujarat was always growing, you probably started following economic news recently. And media is much more active now and catches on to big brand investments like Tata and Maruti. What we dont realize is that while there are 2 big names investing 10 billion each in Gujarat, there are 10 smaller ones investing 2 billion each in TN and Maharashtra. So the total is the same 20 Bn investment, but we only get to hear about bigger names.

Another thing, announcement of investing and actual investment on the ground is another thing. Many times actual works on the ground happen 2-3 years after announcement of investment. Hence growth doesnt depict announcements.

swaich

June 21st, 2012, 11:26 AM

rekha ji aap ek bat batao ki jab modi gujrat mai itna vikas kar sakta hai to desh ma bhi kar sakta hai.... or jo gujrat mai huva huva ushka jimmedar modi nahi hai... app bhul gayi jo log train mai arahe the unhe kis tarah se jinda jala diya gaya tha... ham nahi bhule hai

Bhai, ek baat batao. Muslims ne karsevaks ko jalaya, galat baat. Par kya us galat baat ka badle lena, police aur administration ki help se, kahan ki sahi baat hai? Mobs were allowed to go rampant, while the police watched. The army was called in after 3 days. Everybody knows that police is usually biased in communal riots, so why not call the army immediately. It wasnt like it was the first time Gujarat or India had seen riots. But still the administrations response was slow. It was all part of a plan to let people take their revenge.

raka

June 21st, 2012, 12:14 PM

आजकल NDA में प्रधानमंत्री के दावेदार को लेकर बवाल हो रहा हैं | नितीश कुमार rss द्वारा प्रोजेक्ट किये गए मोदी के खिलाफ हैं | मीडिया में भी मोदी के लिए एक विकास पुरुष के रूप में पूरी भूमिका तैयार की जा रही हैं | गुजरात एक ऐसा राज्य हैं जो शुरू से ही एक नंबर की दौड़ में रहा हैं मोदी ने बस उसी विकास को थोडा और बढाया होगा , जबकि बिहार तो एक ऐसा राज्य था जो जीरो से भी नीचे था और नितीश के मुख्यमंत्री बनने के बाद इसी मीडिया ने दिखाया था की बिहार में पहले के मुकाबले बहुत सुधार हुआ हैं और इसी कारण नितीश कुमार को वहा की जनता ने दुबारा मौका दिया | अब अगर विकास पुरुष के आधार पर किसी को प्रधानमंत्री का दावेदार माना जाए तो उसका हकदार मोदी से ज्यादा नितीश कुमार हैं | कुछ लोगो का तर्क हैं की गुजरात में मोदी ने विकास किया हैं तभी वहां की जनता ने उनको दुबारा चुना अगर दुबारा चुनने की बात हैं तो फिर मध्यप्रदेश से भाजपा के चौहान की भी लगातार दूसरी योजना चल रही हैं , छत्तीसगढ़ के रमण सिंह की दूसरी योजना हैं , फिर भाजपा इनका प्रधान मंत्री के दावेदार के रूप में नाम क्यों नहीं ले रही ? इससे साफ़ जाहिर हैं की विकास के कारण नहीं सिर्फ rss के कारण मोदी को प्रोजेक्ट किया जा रहा हैं |

VirJ

June 21st, 2012, 12:15 PM

Has Modi been found Guilty and sentensed by court? On contrary Some Congress leaders were found guily of Sikh Roits still congress is ruiling and no one call them communal on contrary they are biggest secular in country.

GDP or % GDP growth doesnt tell us the stage of developement. USA % GDP growth is nowhere close to India but is India USA? or India GDP is higher than Australia. Is India Australia?

swaich

June 21st, 2012, 12:42 PM

Has Modi been found Guilty and sentensed by court? On contrary Some Congress leaders were found guily of Sikh Roits still congress is ruiling and no one call them communal on contrary they are biggest secular in country.

With the way our judicial system works and the factors that influence it, its not surprising Modi is scot free. Even if we go beyond guilt, Modi should have resigned just by owning responsibility for what happened. The buck stopped with him. But he didnt resign, because he wanted to use the emotions of the mobs to come to power again. And he did.

GDP or % GDP growth doesnt tell us the stage of developement. USA % GDP growth is nowhere close to India but is India USA? or India GDP is higher than Australia. Is India Australia?

True, no single factor can be taken in singularity. The growth rates were posted because they were brought up by Rekha. Its a collection of metrics like education, health, income etc. On all these factors, Gujarat is amongst the better states in the country alongside others. But nothing exceptional under Modi.

rekhasmriti

June 21st, 2012, 02:31 PM

awesome- n thnx

for sharing it--n affirmative u r right now a days i seen gujarat in every economic times

Gujarat was always growing, you probably started following economic news recently. And media is much more active now and catches on to big brand investments like Tata and Maruti. What we dont realize is that while there are 2 big names investing 10 billion each in Gujarat, there are 10 smaller ones investing 2 billion each in TN and Maharashtra. So the total is the same 20 Bn investment, but we only get to hear about bigger names.

Another thing, announcement of investing and actual investment on the ground is another thing. Many times actual works on the ground happen 2-3 years after announcement of investment. Hence growth doesnt depict announcements.

sanjeev1984

June 21st, 2012, 05:41 PM

siwach bhai aap gurgaon mai rehte ho... kabhi gujarat gaye ho????

swaich

June 21st, 2012, 06:03 PM

siwach bhai aap gurgaon mai rehte ho... kabhi gujarat gaye ho????

Na bhai, abhi tak to nahi. Par kya wahan jaye begair Modi ke baare mein koi raye nahi bana sakte?

sanjeev1984

June 22nd, 2012, 04:01 PM

Na bhai, abhi tak to nahi. Par kya wahan jaye begair Modi ke baare mein koi raye nahi bana sakte?

raye to bilkul ban sakti hai. or jaise north india ke bare mai (and to be very specific: haryana ke jat bhaio ke bare mai) baki dunia ki raye bani hai na waisi hi raye banti hai bina gujarat jaye wahan ki development ke bare mai or modi ke bare mai. apne haryana mai honor ke karan kuch log galat decision bhi lete hongae but uske liye sare culture, khap, system or sab jat bhaiyo ko jimmedar reflect kar diya jata hai or media mai ye reflect kar diya jata hai... jaise humare yahan behan-betiyon ki koi na to life hai na koi izzat... kuch log to humko talibani bhi bol dete hain... jo ki bilkul galat hai... or mai unko yahi bolta hu ki pehle yahan ki life ko experience kar ke dekho fir comment karo... waise hi mai aap se request karta hu ki ek bar 2-4 din gujarat mai reh kar dekho fir raye bhi banao.. comment bhi karo or criticize bhi karo... or jo ye aapne upar stats diye hain inko calculate karne ke hazar formule hain... you just need to change the "base value and datum line" or dekho methametics ka jadoo... aapne jahan se ye data liya hai uske modi to normal dikhane ke liye ek "datum" se calculate kiya ho or shayad modi bhi apne ko better dikhane ke liye doosre datum se calculate karta ho... so stats ke basis pe na to modi ko appriciate karna theek hai or na hi criticize karna theek hai...
mai gujarat mai ruha hu... or baki states bhi dekhi hain... l&t mai kaam kiya hai... maine change experience kiya hai gujarat mai... bhai wahan jao or mai kuch batein share karounga vo observe karna... fir bolna ki modi ne kuch change kiya hai ya nahi... or ruhi baat ki gujarat pehle se fast growing tha ya nahi vo tab hi pata cgal jayega jab aap wahan ja ke gujju logon se baat karoge...

swaich

June 22nd, 2012, 04:11 PM

raye to bilkul ban sakti hai. or jaise north india ke bare mai (and to be very specific: haryana ke jat bhaio ke bare mai) baki dunia ki raye bani hai na waisi hi raye banti hai bina gujarat jaye wahan ki development ke bare mai or modi ke bare mai. apne haryana mai honor ke karan kuch log galat decision bhi lete hongae but uske liye sare culture, khap, system or sab jat bhaiyo ko jimmedar reflect kar diya jata hai or media mai ye reflect kar diya jata hai... jaise humare yahan behan-betiyon ki koi na to life hai na koi izzat... kuch log to humko talibani bhi bol dete hain... jo ki bilkul galat hai... or mai unko yahi bolta hu ki pehle yahan ki life ko experience kar ke dekho fir comment karo... waise hi mai aap se request karta hu ki ek bar 2-4 din gujarat mai reh kar dekho fir raye bhi banao.. comment bhi karo or criticize bhi karo... or jo ye aapne upar stats diye hain inko calculate karne ke hazar formule hain... you just need to change the "base value and datum line" or dekho methametics ka jadoo... aapne jahan se ye data liya hai uske modi to normal dikhane ke liye ek "datum" se calculate kiya ho or shayad modi bhi apne ko better dikhane ke liye doosre datum se calculate karta ho... so stats ke basis pe na to modi ko appriciate karna theek hai or na hi criticize karna theek hai...
mai gujarat mai ruha hu... or baki states bhi dekhi hain... l&t mai kaam kiya hai... maine change experience kiya hai gujarat mai... bhai wahan jao or mai kuch batein share karounga vo observe karna... fir bolna ki modi ne kuch change kiya hai ya nahi... or ruhi baat ki gujarat pehle se fast growing tha ya nahi vo tab hi pata cgal jayega jab aap wahan ja ke gujju logon se baat karoge...

Main Guj gaya nahin, par bahut Gujjus se mila hun, including Muslims. And I have read enough to form an opinion. Halaki main aapka logic samjhta hun, par aaj ki information ke time pe hamara kahin hona uske barein mein raye banane ke liye zaroori nahin. Is logic se to hum sirf unhi jagah aur logo ki baat kar sakte hain jahan hum gaye hain ya jin logo se hum mile hain. And further, fir to hum history ke kisi bhi topic pe baat nahi kar sakte, kyunki humne to woh sab dekh hi nahin!

And that data I quoted is govt. data. You are free to present data that says otherwise. I dont dispute Guj is doing well Just not that exceptional as made out to be. Guj was always a flourishing state. It akways had multiple ports, business centers and one of the most enterprising communities of India. It isnt hard to lead the state to growth.

AbhikRana

June 22nd, 2012, 04:36 PM

There has been a sustained and vociferous attempt by the SICKULARIST intelligentsia and media (especially English) media to malign the image of Mr. Modi. Efforts have and are being made to demonize him.

These sickularists want to make the word Hindutva something akin to an ABUSE. They are the Thekedaars of secularism - the unofficial self-styled caretakers of the Indian secularism and constitution.

They never say a word when:

1. Lakhs of Kashmiri Hindu Pandits were killed and kicked out of their houses by Muslims.
2. Innocent hindu women and Children were burnt alive at Godhra in the Train.
3. Innocent citizens are killed by the muslim terrorists.
4. When the govt. does not hang even after Supreme Court verdict Terrorists as Afzal Guru.
5. Kasab is made a state guest and crores are spent on him.

THESE sickularists do not cry foul when the Congress indulges in muslim appeasement by:
1. Giving reservation on the basis of religion to muslims.
2. Goes soft on terrorism and terrorists. What is the point in arresting them when you don't hang them or punish them??
3. Talking of giving away Kashmir by taking the first step of taking it back to the independence era status of sadr-e-riyasat and wazir - e - aazam.
4. Bans books by Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen but invites as state guest M. F. Hussein who drew Hindu Goddesses nude and who ran to UAE and also offering state funeral.

Its not just the Congress which is to be blamed alone it is the sickularist amongst us who are to blame - who play the identity politics by pitching one community against the other and not letting the communities to forget the differences. And then they talk of the social fabric.

We would do ourselves a favour by electing a straightforward, resolute and no-nonsense leader as our PM. Only hope it materializes sooner than later no matter however much energy and efforts the sickularists apply to stop him.

sanjeev1984

June 22nd, 2012, 06:14 PM

Main Guj gaya nahin, par bahut Gujjus se mila hun, including Muslims. And I have read enough to form an opinion. Halaki main aapka logic samjhta hun, par aaj ki information ke time pe hamara kahin hona uske barein mein raye banane ke liye zaroori nahin. Is logic se to hum sirf unhi jagah aur logo ki baat kar sakte hain jahan hum gaye hain ya jin logo se hum mile hain. And further, fir to hum history ke kisi bhi topic pe baat nahi kar sakte, kyunki humne to woh sab dekh hi nahin!

And that data I quoted is govt. data. You are free to present data that says otherwise. I dont dispute Guj is doing well Just not that exceptional as made out to be. Guj was always a flourishing state. It akways had multiple ports, business centers and one of the most enterprising communities of India. It isnt hard to lead the state to growth.

Bina gujarat gaye aap bahot sare gujjus se mile ho, including Muslims. Bhai meri samajh mai nahi aata jab bhi modi ke regarding, kahin bhi, koi bhi discussion ho ruha hota hai... sab log ek particular community ko picture mai kyon le aate hain? jabki na to kabhi modi ne kisi community ke against kuch bola hai(agar bola hai to please send me the proof) or maine bhi gujju ki baat kari thi na ki muslims ki. aap ye kisi particular community ko point out kar ke... kya khud ko secular sabit karne ki kosish kyo karte rehte ho... jabki kisi ko aise point out karna hi communism hai...
Read kar ke opinion form karna ho sakta hai aapke liye theek ho but mugjhe ye thoda galat lagta hai. Read kar ke opinion develop karne ka kaam court ke judges ke liye hi theek hai... ho sakta hai aap ke liye bhi theek ho... but i need more dimensions to evaluate the things/ppl and to form an opinion. anyway no comments abt it...
waise IT and media ka aapne zikar kiya to mugjhe achanak ek sawal yaad aaya "do you believe in the concept of paid/sponsered news and news bussiness?"
waise to maine koi logic nahi diya maine to bas ek suggestion diya tha, but aapne usko logic declare kar diya. but, Is logic se to ye data bhi history hai, kal jo hua tha or 2002 ke gujarat riots mai hua vo bhi history hai fir to hume us pe bhi comment nahi karna chahiye... kaisi baat kar ruhe ho bhai saab... aap present mai gujarat ja kar opinion bana sakte ho to maine bola... ruhi baat history ki to jab aap jaise intelligent log time machine bana lengae to opinion develop karne ke liye main uska use karne ko hi bolunga na ki papers padh ke raye banane ko...
Data ke regading to maine pehle hi bola hai bhai.. ho sakta hai ye data centre ka ho... or state govt ka data (modi ka banaya hua) kuch or hi kahani sunata ho... mai to dono mai se kisi ko waitage nahi deta... waitage to bas uske hisaab se hi hogi jaisi wahan ke log life jee ruhe hain...
mai L&T mai tha or wahan kafi time ruha hu...
kuch cheez aisi hain ki jisko koi nahi nakar sakta jo sirf modi ne hi badli hain...
1) electricity (gujarat mai 24*7 rehti hai, tech. fault bhi 10 min. mai theek hote hain) (delhi ka bura haal hai-mai khud witness hu)( gurgaon ka haal aap better bata sakte ho)
2). Security (gujarat mai maine ladkiyan aadhi raat ko akale tution se aati dekhi hai) (delhi to rape capital declare kar diya hai media ne) (gurgaon ka haal aap bata do)
3). Roads (ek visit karo or khud hi compare karna)
4). Jobs (sab se jaya log migrate ho ruhe hain gujarat mai jobs ke liye, or mai sharat laga sakta hu ek maruti strike or vo bhi gujarat mai shift ho jayegi, fir gurgaon and delhi ke haal pe baat karangae)
5). Business (Sare businessman ki statements sun lo, mere kehne layak shayad hi kuch bache)
6). Peace & Motivation.(Gujarat mai 2002 ke baad aaj tak koi riot nahi hua hai.)

Bhai agar gujarat hamesha se hi flurishing state tha or us state ko hamesha se multiple ports and enterprising communities ka benefit milta hai to... mugjhe thoda explain karoge ki india ka total costal area ka kitna percent cost gujarat ke pass hai.. baki kai states ke pass bhi cost hain... ek time tha jab west bengal sab se develop tha... india ka capital bhi wahin tha... aaj kya haal hai us state tha... us state ne bhi to bahot intellectual log diye hain india ko... kya hua uski growth ko... or mehnat to bihari se jayada koi nahi kar sakta... sab se jayada IAS/IPS aate hain bihar se...

bhai... log har jagah ke hardworking hain or geographical advantage har state ke pass hain but ultemately ek leader ki hi jarurat hoti hai.. or jo aisi leadership aaj de sakta hai vo NARENDER MODI hai...

swaich

June 22nd, 2012, 11:25 PM

Bina gujarat gaye aap bahot sare gujjus se mile ho, including Muslims. Bhai meri samajh mai nahi aata jab bhi modi ke regarding, kahin bhi, koi bhi discussion ho ruha hota hai... sab log ek particular community ko picture mai kyon le aate hain? jabki na to kabhi modi ne kisi community ke against kuch bola hai(agar bola hai to please send me the proof) or maine bhi gujju ki baat kari thi na ki muslims ki. aap ye kisi particular community ko point out kar ke... kya khud ko secular sabit karne ki kosish kyo karte rehte ho... jabki kisi ko aise point out karna hi communism hai...
Read kar ke opinion form karna ho sakta hai aapke liye theek ho but mugjhe ye thoda galat lagta hai. Read kar ke opinion develop karne ka kaam court ke judges ke liye hi theek hai... ho sakta hai aap ke liye bhi theek ho... but i need more dimensions to evaluate the things/ppl and to form an opinion. anyway no comments abt it...
waise IT and media ka aapne zikar kiya to mugjhe achanak ek sawal yaad aaya "do you believe in the concept of paid/sponsered news and news bussiness?"
waise to maine koi logic nahi diya maine to bas ek suggestion diya tha, but aapne usko logic declare kar diya. but, Is logic se to ye data bhi history hai, kal jo hua tha or 2002 ke gujarat riots mai hua vo bhi history hai fir to hume us pe bhi comment nahi karna chahiye... kaisi baat kar ruhe ho bhai saab... aap present mai gujarat ja kar opinion bana sakte ho to maine bola... ruhi baat history ki to jab aap jaise intelligent log time machine bana lengae to opinion develop karne ke liye main uska use karne ko hi bolunga na ki papers padh ke raye banane ko...
Data ke regading to maine pehle hi bola hai bhai.. ho sakta hai ye data centre ka ho... or state govt ka data (modi ka banaya hua) kuch or hi kahani sunata ho... mai to dono mai se kisi ko waitage nahi deta... waitage to bas uske hisaab se hi hogi jaisi wahan ke log life jee ruhe hain...
mai L&T mai tha or wahan kafi time ruha hu...
kuch cheez aisi hain ki jisko koi nahi nakar sakta jo sirf modi ne hi badli hain...
1) electricity (gujarat mai 24*7 rehti hai, tech. fault bhi 10 min. mai theek hote hain) (delhi ka bura haal hai-mai khud witness hu)( gurgaon ka haal aap better bata sakte ho)
2). Security (gujarat mai maine ladkiyan aadhi raat ko akale tution se aati dekhi hai) (delhi to rape capital declare kar diya hai media ne) (gurgaon ka haal aap bata do)
3). Roads (ek visit karo or khud hi compare karna)
4). Jobs (sab se jaya log migrate ho ruhe hain gujarat mai jobs ke liye, or mai sharat laga sakta hu ek maruti strike or vo bhi gujarat mai shift ho jayegi, fir gurgaon and delhi ke haal pe baat karangae)
5). Business (Sare businessman ki statements sun lo, mere kehne layak shayad hi kuch bache)
6). Peace & Motivation.(Gujarat mai 2002 ke baad aaj tak koi riot nahi hua hai.)

Bhai agar gujarat hamesha se hi flurishing state tha or us state ko hamesha se multiple ports and enterprising communities ka benefit milta hai to... mugjhe thoda explain karoge ki india ka total costal area ka kitna percent cost gujarat ke pass hai.. baki kai states ke pass bhi cost hain... ek time tha jab west bengal sab se develop tha... india ka capital bhi wahin tha... aaj kya haal hai us state tha... us state ne bhi to bahot intellectual log diye hain india ko... kya hua uski growth ko... or mehnat to bihari se jayada koi nahi kar sakta... sab se jayada IAS/IPS aate hain bihar se...

bhai... log har jagah ke hardworking hain or geographical advantage har state ke pass hain but ultemately ek leader ki hi jarurat hoti hai.. or jo aisi leadership aaj de sakta hai vo NARENDER MODI hai...

Sir, again, main aapka Guj jane wala logic nahi maan sakta. Thats true for everywhere and everytopic. We cant travel everywhere or meet everyone so we have to depend on the written word. We also have to make sure we have to read all perspectives, cover all sides and not read any biased sources.

Can you tell me where you stayed in Gujarat? Did whole of Gujarat have those 24*7 power? I doubt it. What about villages?

Even Bangalore and Mumbai are safe cities for women. Generally the more we go south from Delhi, the safety of women increases.

Roads to Punjab or Kerala ke bhi kam nahin hai. In fact these two states have the best infrastructure.

And you asked me why I brought up the Muslim issue. Its because for me Modi is a communal person without doubt. He sat on his backside and watched Mulims of Gujarat get killed by mobs. Not only that he never ever apologized for those riots that saw 3000 people lose their lives. Resignation to door ki baat hai. Agar usme thodi si bhi sharm hoti woh responsibility leta aur resign kar deta. That for me is a blot on Modi that will never go away. People can take the roads and the electricity but the dead are not going to come back.

Now you are going to ask me "what about the kar sewaks burnt in the train?" Tue that was a bad and criminal deed. But it doesnt justify state's involvement and abetment of revenge. The police watched and let mobs burn neighborhoods including an ex-MP. I dont believe Modi did all that he could.

AbhikRana

June 23rd, 2012, 02:43 AM

From all the discussions here, it seems that the sickularists have been playing and are still playing the game of Chinese whispers. In this game which involves relay of a message through a chain of people, passing at each level from one person to the other in the chain, by the time the message reaches the last person in the chain, it is more likely than not highly distorted.

Similarly, the sickularists read in the biased media the false and exaggerated stories against nationalist people like Mr. Modi and further become mouthpieces of the biased media. They assume to themselves the birthright to give certificates of character to others - "He is secular, He is not secular". These people are self-appointed thekedaars of secularism little realizing or not realizing at all the true meaning of secularism.

If you ask these people as to what have they done in their personal capacity for the betterment of the Muslim community, which according to them is backward, They are BLANKKKK. After all, their only role is to create noise and call others as non-secular or secular as per their narrow minded prism of pre-conceived notions formed and reinforced by the biased media, which it is said is funded by the islamic petro-dollars from Saudi and other such countries.

VirJ

June 23rd, 2012, 07:02 AM

And you asked me why I brought up the Muslim issue. Its because for me Modi is a communal person without doubt. He sat on his backside and watched Mulims of Gujarat get killed by mobs. Not only that he never ever apologized for those riots that saw 3000 people lose their lives. Resignation to door ki baat hai. Agar usme thodi si bhi sharm hoti woh responsibility leta aur resign kar deta. That for me is a blot on Modi that will never go away. People can take the roads and the electricity but the dead are not going to come back.

You claim to have read lot of books but looks like either you have read selected books or you have any agenda to follow.

Few questions: OK Modi didnt apologize. Accepted but did congress apologize. Do you know what R. Gandhi said in 84, Jab bada ped girta he to aas pas ki jameen me darar to padti hi he (cant remember exect words). Being a sikh how can you forget this? Did congress take the moral respocibility of Mumbai Attaks? Did they resign? I have no problem as long as you read books from all liabrary not selected liabraries.

2. An average economy student will tell you that its hard to grow (as in % GDP) an already developed state. As you claimed Gujrat was already well off and he is growing it with a very good rate than it is exceptional. ( I am not drawing a conclusion here but just telling you that your logics doest match). To me he is a strong leader and able administrator which is the basic requirement if you have to grow. A lot depends on the natural resources, location Human deveopment and skilled labour etc. A weak leader is sometime worse than a corrupt leader.

VPannu

June 23rd, 2012, 07:25 AM

Pardon me for not reading the earlier posts in this thread (itni laambi post padhan khaatar time kona :suspicion:). I am yet to come across a Gujarati who condemns/curses Narendar Modi. I know a handful though (6-7), they all can vouch for him anytime any day. is sardar ji ki dhaal chulak-2 moot na likadta dekha iska kisse aage

sanjeev1984

June 23rd, 2012, 03:20 PM

bhai read my reply in bold...

Sir, again, main aapka Guj jane wala logic nahi maan sakta. Thats true for everywhere and everytopic. We cant travel everywhere or meet everyone so we have to depend on the written word. We also have to make sure we have to read all perspectives, cover all sides and not read any biased sources.

Waise to bhai maine koi logic nahi diya tha, sirf suggest kiya tha. Usko mano ya na mano aapki marji. waise "we cant travel" or "we dont want to travel" dono mai farak hai.. jaise we cant travel to past so we have to decide in basis of documents only. We can visit gujarat anytime we want... waise maine pehle bhi likha tha "Read kar ke opinion form karna ho sakta hai aapke liye theek ho but mugjhe ye thoda galat lagta hai. Read kar ke opinion develop karne ka kaam court ke judges ke liye hi theek hai... ho sakta hai aap ke liye bhi theek ho... but i need more dimensions to evaluate the things/ppl and to form an opinion. anyway no comments abt it..." its upto you...

Can you tell me where you stayed in Gujarat? Did whole of Gujarat have those 24*7 power? I doubt it. What about villages?

Yes brother villages mai bhi 24*7 electricity... thanks for bringing villages into the picture... ek baat or yaad aa gai... gujarat mai har village (to be very percise in each and every village) mai Broadband Connectivity hai.. Delhi to capital hai... yahan par bhi jo outer delhi ke village hain wahan bhi broadband nahi hai... keep other states aside... waise ye Modi ka hi asar hai ki mai delhi and gurgaon ki baat kar ruha hu or aap gujarat ke villages ki... i mean Modi is forcing you to compare Delhi (Capital of India) / Guagaon (Millanium City) with the Villages of Gujarat... Mugjhe accha laga bhai... thanks...

Even Bangalore and Mumbai are safe cities for women. Generally the more we go south from Delhi, the safety of women increases.

Bhai ek bar fir se confirm kar lena is baat ko ki "jitna south mai jao utna ki women ke liye safe"... waise mai ek entire state ki baat kar ruha hu or aap do states ki capital cities ki... agar compare karna hai to karnataka/maharashtra ka comparison karo Gujarat ke saath...

Roads to Punjab or Kerala ke bhi kam nahin hai. In fact these two states have the best infrastructure.

agar punjab and kerala ke roads acche hain to mygjhe ye sun kar bahot khusi hui ki doosri states atleaset ek field mai to gujarat ko compete kar ruhi hai... waise i still doubt in dono states ke roads gujarat se better hain...

And you asked me why I brought up the Muslim issue. Its because for me Modi is a communal person without doubt. He sat on his backside and watched Mulims of Gujarat get killed by mobs. Not only that he never ever apologized for those riots that saw 3000 people lose their lives. Resignation to door ki baat hai. Agar usme thodi si bhi sharm hoti woh responsibility leta aur resign kar deta. That for me is a blot on Modi that will never go away. People can take the roads and the electricity but the dead are not going to come back.

Bhai criticism to acchi baat hai but alligation bahot galat hota hai... or vo bhi jab sab kuch saamne ho... agar aap sab dekh kar apni opinion banate ho to, aapne SIT ke bare mai bhi jaroor padha hoga... 2002 mai Gujarat mai jo bhi hua vo condemable tha... but uska jimmedar wahan se CM ko nahi tehraya ja sakta. Supreme Court of India ki banai hui commision ne indepedent ho kar investigation kari hai. or bola hai ki CM ko jo karna chahiye tha bilkul wahi kiya hai. mera believe hai ki do galat mil kar ek sahi nahi banate...(stating adding "-1" and "-1" you will end at "-2", it will never be 2.. it will always be negative) jaisa aapne zikar kiya train jala dene ka vo bhi galat tha or fir uske baad ke riots bhi galat the.. but mugjhe ek baat batao ki bahot sare log riots ke liye demand kar ruhe hai ki Modi public mai apolozise kare... fir to aapke hisaab se jo train jalai gai uske liye bhi Modi jimmedar hai or us incident ke liye bhi hum sab ko mil kar Modi se apology ki demand karni chahiye... vo incident bhi to gujarat mai hua tha... bhai saab baat ye hai ki train bhi public ne jalai... riots ne public ne kiye... or suffer bhi public hui... ye modi ke control se bahar tha... na to modi ka usme involvement tha or na modi uske liye responsible hai... as a CM modi ne control karne ki poori kosish ki or 700 se jaya log(riots karne wale) police firing mai mare gaye... or police firing mai more than 90 % hindu hi the... so ultemately modi ne CM ki responsibility acche tarike se poori ki... os is cheez ka andaja to isi cheez se lagaya ja sakta hai ki.. jo congress 2004 se power mai hai... jisne kuch apne minister(kalmadi, raja & kanimojhi (allay party). etc.) jail mai daal diye (jinke against proof the)... agar modi ne kuch thoda sa bhi galat kiya hota to vo aise free ghoom ruha hota... mugjhe to nahi lagta ki koi party itni acchi kaise ho sakti hai ki apne misinter jail mai or opposition ke log free...

Now you are going to ask me "what about the kar sewaks burnt in the train?" Tue that was a bad and criminal deed. But it doesnt justify state's involvement and abetment of revenge. The police watched and let mobs burn neighborhoods including an ex-MP. I dont believe Modi did all that he could.

You are too decisive my brother. mere do comments se aapne ye pata laga liya ki mai next kya question karounga... waise mai aap ko bata du ki mai ye nahi poochne wala tha... mere sawaal to kuch or hain... but fir kisi din pooch lounga...

smiles....

dahiyask

June 23rd, 2012, 05:11 PM

raka bhai RSS koi desh drohi sangathan nahi hai ke us ke project kiye hue admi ko PM nahi hona chahiye. Kam se kam vo us videshi aurat Sonia dwara projected admi se to achha hi hai.Ek bat aur kahu ke hum hinduvo ki isi baat ke ye kabhi ikethe nahi ho sakte itne dino tak gulam rahe. Jab muslim is desh me aaye to vo hum hinduvo se to kam hi the lekin vo humari fut ka fyada utha kar hum par raz karte rahe aur bad me angrej. abhi bhi time hai aur ek ho kar hinduvadi ko PM bana do varna us videshi aurat Soina ke raj me marte raho.
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dahiyask

June 23rd, 2012, 05:17 PM

yes Rana bhai im 100% agree with ur views. These so called secularist and this english media is againt hindus. They dont utter a single word when hindus are killed or not say any word on this muslim pleasement
There has been a sustained and vociferous attempt by the SICKULARIST intelligentsia and media (especially English) media to malign the image of Mr. Modi. Efforts have and are being made to demonize him.

These sickularists want to make the word Hindutva something akin to an ABUSE. They are the Thekedaars of secularism - the unofficial self-styled caretakers of the Indian secularism and constitution.

They never say a word when:

1. Lakhs of Kashmiri Hindu Pandits were killed and kicked out of their houses by Muslims.
2. Innocent hindu women and Children were burnt alive at Godhra in the Train.
3. Innocent citizens are killed by the muslim terrorists.
4. When the govt. does not hang even after Supreme Court verdict Terrorists as Afzal Guru.
5. Kasab is made a state guest and crores are spent on him.

THESE sickularists do not cry foul when the Congress indulges in muslim appeasement by:
1. Giving reservation on the basis of religion to muslims.
2. Goes soft on terrorism and terrorists. What is the point in arresting them when you don't hang them or punish them??
3. Talking of giving away Kashmir by taking the first step of taking it back to the independence era status of sadr-e-riyasat and wazir - e - aazam.
4. Bans books by Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen but invites as state guest M. F. Hussein who drew Hindu Goddesses nude and who ran to UAE and also offering state funeral.

Its not just the Congress which is to be blamed alone it is the sickularist amongst us who are to blame - who play the identity politics by pitching one community against the other and not letting the communities to forget the differences. And then they talk of the social fabric.

We would do ourselves a favour by electing a straightforward, resolute and no-nonsense leader as our PM. Only hope it materializes sooner than later no matter however much energy and efforts the sickularists apply to stop him.

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 06:48 PM

i personally admire modi

itne muslim marwaye gujarat mei

still ful majority se Gujarat ka CM

n he has made gujarat rich

it- ho tourism- automobile ho - everything is in gujarat

poore desh ka itna growth rate nahi jitna akele gujarat ka hai

i m in absolute favor Modi koi PM banna chahiye

but not possible - he is a local hero -
not national
Bahut badia kaam kia log ko marwa kar. .........ager wo Modi muslam hota or Hindu ko marwata fir kya bolte aap

You don't have heart ..... kitni araam se bol rhe ho ki kitne muslaman karwye ...Omg wo insaan nhi they kya

Hero that's sound not for him. Criminal. Kiska baap mara, kiski maa, kisike bacche. Kabi socha hai un muslim parviaar ka kya hua hoga.

more then 1000s women got widows

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 06:53 PM

sanjeev1984

June 23rd, 2012, 07:50 PM

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 08:23 PM

bhai maths to bahot badhiya hai... ek post mai likha ki modi ne 1000 log marwa diye... doosri post mai likha ki har state ke 10% log marwa do to sari state rich ho jayegi... matlab ki gujarat ke 1000 log wahan ki 10% population thi... or is calculation ke hisaab se to ab tak pakistan, afganistan, iraq or pata nahi kitne country rich ho jate... bhai meri ek suggestion hai... kuch bhi karna politics mai mat aana agar aisi soch hai to... haan agar soch badal jaye to jaroor haath ajama lena...
O bhai mere khane yu khana tha ki loga ke marne se ager asia kuch hota hai to 10% log mar do sare states main te aapne aap ne rich ho jawege ager musalmano ke marne se gujraat rich hua hai to. ye khe rha . Rots ka Gujraat ki unnti main koi haat nhi hai.
Waha pe bhi maine likkha more thn 1000 women got widows logo ke bare main to likkha hi nhi.

Jin desho ka aapne naam lia hai un main modi ke baap hi hai. dhek lo unka haal kya hai. Katter log hamesha asie hi halat paida karte hai

Or Rahi raaj neeti main aane ki baat to jarurt kona hamne ... Apna kha-khama lege hum to ,........Raajneeti to unki hai jinhone haram ki kamai khani ho ....

Modi jasie hi katter log hai Pakistan , Afganistand or iraq main dhek le unka haal

sanjeev1984

June 23rd, 2012, 08:56 PM

amankadian: O bhai mere khane yu khana tha ki loga ke marne se ager asia kuch hota hai to 10% log mar do sare states main te aapne aap ne rich ho jawege ager musalmano ke marne se gujraat rich hua hai to. ye khe rha . Rots ka Gujraat ki unnti main koi haat nhi hai.
Waha pe bhi maine likkha more thn 1000 women got widows logo ke bare main to likkha hi nhi.

sanjeev : hmmmm.... 1000 widow hui hain to log to 1000 hi mare hongae... or ho sakta hai sirf 500 log hi mare ho... muslim bhai minimum 2 biwi to rukhte hi hain... or kai case mai to 4 bhi ho jati hain... kaisi baat kar ruha hai yaar...

Jin desho ka aapne naam lia hai un main modi ke baap hi hai. dhek lo unka haal kya hai. Katter log hamesha asie hi halat paida karte hai

agar modi kattar hai or 10 saal se sarkar chla ruha hai to ab tak to wahan development or peace (2002 ke baad ek bhi riot nahi hua hai wahan) ke jagah pe... pakistan, afganistan, iraq etc jaisa haal ho jana chahiye tha... ye kya baat hui ki baki countries ke kattar logo se vo desh barbad ho ruhe hain... or ulta modi jaise kattarpanti (according to you) insaan ke karan gujarat develop ho gaya hai (second best state in the world, first is california)... thodi si contradictory situation hai... aapko kya lagta hai...

amankadian: Or Rahi raaj neeti main aane ki baat to jarurt kona hamne ... Apna kha-khama lege hum to ,........Raajneeti to unki hai jinhone haram ki kamai khani ho ....

sanjeev: ye galat bol diya bhai... har jagah har kisam ke log hain... rajniti main imandar log bhi hain(sirf haram ki khane wale nahi hain) or rajniti ke bahar haram ki khane walo ki kami nahi hai... waise aap chahe jo bhi kaam karte ho... job ya business... ek baat batao aapka sara paisa white and 1 number ka hai??? bilkul bhi tax chori chori nahi karte... ya sab document properly government ko dikhate ho???? or please iska jawab mugjhe mat dena... khud ko hi dena... jab ye jawab apne-aap ko dogae to pata chal jayega ki rajniti mai jayada haram ki khane wale hain ya rajniti ke bahar... Bhai desh ke liye bahot accha hai ki aap rajniti mai aane ko intrested nahi ho.... i want to thank you for this on behalf of whole INDIA... thanks brother

amankadian: Modi jasie hi katter log hai Pakistan , Afganistand or iraq main dhek le unka haal

sanjeev: for this please read my second para again...

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 09:31 PM

cutejaatsandeep

June 23rd, 2012, 09:45 PM

1. Read carefully
2. my post wasnt about development. Thats about the killed people
3. As Gujarat was really good before he had it. I appricate it what he has done. Whats man 1st priorty(family,friend, relative). We always want to keep them safe. Those people lost their life in rots. They never have it again. Development is nothing for those families.
4. My business is registered by Australian Govt. You can't f......k ATO.

Unfortunately the wonder boy modi ever get the Pm chair and he wouldn't like to see the muslim in this countries. What do you think about it ?
bhai kadian ke gyaan tere....tu maaane nuu bataaa tu inn katwaa ka itna favour ko rahee heee....bhai teri umar bahut choti see taane duniyaa koni deekhi...yaa tujhe history ki knowledge koni....modi nee agar mulle gujarat mai marwayee to bhai thik marwayee....meraaa bas chaltaa to 10000 maaartaa...inn mulla nee train mai pehle hindu kyo jalayee?bhai next post mai iss baat ka jawab jaroor diyee maanee....kaade meerut muzaffarnagar rampur moradabad gaya hee keee?pehle yeee mullle hinduon ki kawad pee thook diya kartee thee....pherr eek barr meerut mai saare kawadiyee eek hoge n mulllee achi tarahh thokee....uske baad aajtak tak mulle chup see....harr cheez ki limit hoti hai...now lemme tel u a fact about gujrat.mharee gaam ke kuch baniye gujarat mai jaa ke bass geee....u know pehle itna bura haal tha yeee mulle har week hafta liya karte the n woo nahi deta tha usse marr diya karte the....but 2002 ke baad modi ne isse saare admi khatam karwa diyee...n ibb mai apne baniye uncle se mila to wo bolee modi ji ne bahut acha kaam karwa diyaa...tu kaade delhi aa taane mai pherr seelampur n jafrabad lekar chalunga..pher tere saare doubts clear ho jayenge....meri to bhai seedhi c sooch hai ke agar koi mharee aanglii kareeegaa tee pher aaapaa haath dee deengee...aise hi eek bar mera eek company mai mulaa frd tha..eek din wo nihari laya..nihari cow se banti hai..mujhse usne haste hue poocha khayega....maine usse jawab diya bhai mai to suur khaya karu kaadeee teri maa banaweee to lee aaiyee:)

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 10:06 PM

bhai kadian ke gyaan tere....tu maaane nuu bataaa tu inn katwaa ka itna favour ko rahee heee....bhai teri umar bahut choti see taane duniyaa koni deekhi...yaa tujhe history ki knowledge koni....modi nee agar mulle gujarat mai marwayee to bhai thik marwayee....meraaa bas chaltaa to 10000 maaartaa...inn mulla nee train mai pehle hindu kyo jalayee?bhai next post mai iss baat ka jawab jaroor diyee maanee....kaade meerut muzaffarnagar rampur moradabad gaya hee keee?pehle yeee mullle hinduon ki kawad pee thook diya kartee thee....pherr eek barr meerut mai saare kawadiyee eek hoge n mulllee achi tarahh thokee....uske baad aajtak tak mulle chup see....harr cheez ki limit hoti hai...now lemme tel u a fact about gujrat.mharee gaam ke kuch baniye gujarat mai jaa ke bass geee....u know pehle itna bura haal tha yeee mulle har week hafta liya karte the n woo nahi deta tha usse marr diya karte the....but 2002 ke baad modi ne isse saare admi khatam karwa diyee...n ibb mai apne baniye uncle se mila to wo bolee modi ji ne bahut acha kaam karwa diyaa...tu kaade delhi aa taane mai pherr seelampur n jafrabad lekar chalunga..pher tere saare doubts clear ho jayenge....meri to bhai seedhi c sooch hai ke agar koi mharee aanglii kareeegaa tee pher aaapaa haath dee deengee...aise hi eek bar mera eek company mai mulaa frd tha..eek din wo nihari laya..nihari cow se banti hai..mujhse usne haste hue poocha khayega....maine usse jawab diya bhai mai to suur khaya karu kaadeee teri maa banaweee to lee aaiyee:)

UP main Hamhari jaamen Hai. ude saare ke saare mulle hi asa pass main. ...........Puri respect kare hai bhai ek dam. 5 saal hoge ek baar bhi ulta sheeda na bole

:star: ager aman chan bankar kar rhakna hai to aapni takkaat badao bhai.. Dusre ko kamjor karne ki khosish na karo .. wo jasia bhi uski respect karo . Trust me wo aapki jayda karega or aapse darega. :star:

swaich

June 23rd, 2012, 10:25 PM

You claim to have read lot of books but looks like either you have read selected books or you have any agenda to follow.

Few questions: OK Modi didnt apologize. Accepted but did congress apologize. Do you know what R. Gandhi said in 84, Jab bada ped girta he to aas pas ki jameen me darar to padti hi he (cant remember exect words). Being a sikh how can you forget this? Did congress take the moral respocibility of Mumbai Attaks? Did they resign? I have no problem as long as you read books from all liabrary not selected liabraries.

Here's my line of argument, let me know if you get it easily or I will try breaking it down further for you.

Two wrongs do not make a right. We cant justify Modi's guilt by saying "Others are guilty too, ask them to apologize first!" This is not a kid's chocolate stealing game in school. No political party is scot free.

And when did I say I support Congress? Does opposing Modi or BJP automatically mean a Congress supporter? Congress is no good on protecting minority rights. They are sham secular. Narasimha Rao had intelligence inputs that Babri will be destroyed, yet he didnt send in central forces.

I have voted 4 times uptill now in total. Never for Congress.

2. An average economy student will tell you that its hard to grow (as in % GDP) an already developed state. As you claimed Gujrat was already well off and he is growing it with a very good rate than it is exceptional. ( I am not drawing a conclusion here but just telling you that your logics doest match). To me he is a strong leader and able administrator which is the basic requirement if you have to grow. A lot depends on the natural resources, location Human deveopment and skilled labour etc. A weak leader is sometime worse than a corrupt leader.

Gujarat isnt developed yet. Its still developing. But its developed as compared to most other states. I hope this is not too hard to understand.

I am not ready to risk a leader like Modi. That guy couldnt manage a riot in his own state, rather allowed it to happen. How will he manage a multitude of such issues all over the country?

And let me tell you something, it doesnt take a lot for the official machinery - the police, administration to get into a tacit understanding of which community to support. And this affects normal people too. Rajiv's hand in the riots could have never been confirmed pr proven. Yet the police actually helped the mobs with voter lists. People killed their own neighbors because it seemed like common understanding that Sikhs have to be punished for killing Gandhi. Similar thing happened in Gujarat after Godhra. The Hindu population was naturally seething with anger, so were the mostly Hindu administration who were sympathetic to the mobs of rioters. But this is where an impartial CM could have come in and prevented such loss. Yet he didnt do it and instead 'allowed' things to deteriorate.

I am ok with the BJP coming to power, but not Modi as PM.

bazardparveen

June 23rd, 2012, 10:30 PM

sanjeev1984

June 23rd, 2012, 10:46 PM

[QUOTE=amankadian;308780]
1. Read carefully
what do you want me to read carefully??? Please mention dear. :)

2. my post wasnt about development. Thats about the killed people
You mean to say Modi killed people? Is that what you are trying to say!!!

3. As Gujarat was really good before he had it. Please compare again "Gujarat: before Modi, after Modi" even if we put development aside, we can never ignore that riots used to arouse in every second month even before 2002 (whereas none after 2002)... and there used to be curfew every second month at one part of state or another... now tell me brother, would you held modi responsible for those riots of before 2002??? if not then whom???

I appricate it what he has done.
Thanks a ton.

Whats man 1st priorty(family,friend, relative). We always want to keep them safe. He tried but succeed to some extent. couldn't able to save all. I hope you can understand, as this was the eruption of public anger, which can happen any where. It happened in Delhi... It happened even in US (just because one football team lost). In Gujarat it took place between two different ideologies, after burning a train, (however both the acts were equally shamefull i.e. train burning as well as riots)... whereas in US riots took place between by fans of a football team and government was not able to stop them... will you call them state sponsored??? Come on these things happens and we must accept this and we cant be so immature to believe the paid media and blaming only one person who did his best to stop riots(ignoring the SIT's conclusion and Judicial System of India)!!!!

Those people lost their life in rots. They never have it again. Development is nothing for those families.

4. My business is registered by Australian Govt. You can't f......k ATO.
Thanks brother, for avoiding the abusive language. WOW!!!! your business is registered... and by Australian Govt. Amazed to see this... By the way i didn't asked for the registration of your business. One can't do business without registration. And somebody will try to do biz without proper initial documentation, than it will work for very short period. Read carefully. I asked about things like proper tax declaration, Custom Duties, Forged Invoices, etc... I hope you don't play with the financial data of your biz. If you do it properly, I want to thank you but If you are not doing it properly and stealing tax, than brother you have no right to say "mai haram ki kamai nahi khata"...

Unfortunately the wonder boy modi ever get the Pm chair and he wouldn't like to see the muslim in this countries.
What do i think about it!!! Well as far as i believe, when Modi will become PM (and i strongly believe, he will become PM one day) my muslim brothers will live a peaceful life in India and my muslim brother will let others too live a peaceful life. May be you know few years back an Australian PM announced for all immigrants that here in Australia, system will run as per common civil law and If anybody have any problem with that they can leave Australia. So when Modi will become PM (as per his records, he never gave any special reservation, discounts, subsidies, privileges to any specific community, to please them (which i think is a secular act itself)), losing all the liberties in India and treated with common civil law... my muslim brothers will leave india... As i said it will be up to them, as here as fellow Indians are living here or leave the country... By the way, brother what is you opinion about common civil law???

What do you think about it ?
I think as i said. Ek baat or bhai angeragi main likhne se waitage nahi increase hoti... spanish, german, italian, dutch, or bahot sare desh hum se population mai hum se bahot kam hai... or apni matra bhasha (mother tongue) mai hi baat karte hain... waise mugjhe angreji ya firangiyon se koi khass parhej nahi nahi but jab thode din doosi bhasha bolne walo ke beech ruha to apni bhasha se jayada pyar ho gaya...

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 10:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ZzkPx_twk

sanjeev1984

June 23rd, 2012, 11:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL5Ctexla6c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ZzkPx_twk

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 11:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL5Ctexla6c&feature=related

Hahaha funny. Jin logo ne Hindu ko mara ......Kya whi log rots main mare.. Mere bhai.. Karta koi or hai or mar koi or jata hai jata hai.

A,B,C,D,F Hindu Hai 1,2,3,4,5 Muslim hai

5 Muslim ne A ko mar dia.
Ab B,C ne gusse main aake 1,2 Muslim ko mar dia ( Jabki 1,2 ka A ko marne main koi haat nhi tha) Bakar main mar gaye

ab jo 1,2 muslim hai unke ghar walo ke man main kya bhawana hogi ...ki wo dono bakar main mare gaya jaati vaad ke karan.

Jab jisne 5 muslim ne A ko mara hai uska to kuch hua hi nhi bhai...Mare gaye bekasur ..

Rots ka maine reason yhi hota hai

swaich

June 23rd, 2012, 11:23 PM

All the roads, electricity, universities and industry cannot bring back the people killed while Modi looked the other way.

sanjeev1984

June 23rd, 2012, 11:26 PM

funny to bhai mugjhe ab aapke comments lagne lage hain... I hope you can understand, as this was the eruption of public anger, which can happen any where. It happened in Delhi... It happened even in US (just because one football team lost). In Gujarat it took place between two different ideologies, after burning a train, (however both the acts were equally shamefull i.e. train burning as well as riots)... whereas in US riots took place between by fans of a football team and government was not able to stop them... will you call them state sponsored??? Come on these things happens and we must accept this and we cant be so immature to believe the paid media and blaming only one person who did his best to stop riots

Hahaha funny. Jin logo ne Hindu ko mara ......Kya whi log rots main mare.. Mere bhai.. Karta koi or hai or mar koi or jata hai jata hai.

A,B,C,D,F Hindu Hai 1,2,3,4,5 Muslim hai

5 Muslim ne A ko mar dia.
Ab B,C ne gusse main aake 1,2 Muslim ko mar dia ( Jabki 1,2 ka A ko marne main koi haat nhi tha) Bakar main mar gaye

ab jo 1,2 muslim hai unke ghar walo ke man main kya bhawana hogi ...ki wo dono bakar main mare gaya jaati vaad ke karan.

Jab jisne 5 muslim ne A ko mara hai uska to kuch hua hi nhi bhai...Mare gaye bekasur ..

Rots ka maine reason yhi hota hai

sanjeev1984

June 23rd, 2012, 11:27 PM

In case you didn't read this bro..
I hope you can understand, as this was the eruption of public anger, which can happen any where. It happened in Delhi... It happened even in US (just because one football team lost). In Gujarat it took place between two different ideologies, after burning a train, (however both the acts were equally shamefull i.e. train burning as well as riots)... whereas in US riots took place between by fans of a football team and government was not able to stop them... will you call them state sponsored??? Come on these things happens and we must accept this and we cant be so immature to believe the paid media and blaming only one person who did his best to stop riots

All the roads, electricity, universities and industry cannot bring back the people killed while Modi looked the other way.

sinsinwar

June 23rd, 2012, 11:27 PM

Excellent !!

Sir, you should also include Haryana too.. no's don't take anybody's side they speak themselves...

Here are a few states, doing comparably or even better than Gujarat.

State/union territory

2004-05 GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2005-06 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2006-07 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2007-08 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2008-09 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2009-10 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2010-11 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2011-12 nominal GDP
(in Crores of Rupees)

2005-06 % Growth over the previous year

2006-07 % Growth over the previous year

2007-08 % Growth over the previous year

2008-09 % Growth over the previous year

2009-10 % Growth over the previous year

2010-11 % Growth over the previous year

2011-12 % Growth over the previous year

file:///C:\DOCUME~1\jswaich\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\ clip_image002.gif India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India)

2,971,464

3,253,073

3,564,364

3,896,636

4,158,676

4,507,637

4,885,954

5,222,027

9.48

9.57

9.32

6.72

8.39

8.39

6.88

Maharashtra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharashtra)

413,826

473,801

540,750

599,062

619,291

701,550

775,020

N.A

14.49

14.13

10.78

3.38

13.28

10.47

N.A

Himachal Pradesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himachal_Pradesh)

21,189

23,743

26,247

28,873

33,115

38,004

44,348

50,797

12.05

10.55

10.00

14.69

14.76

16.69

14.54

Andaman and Nicobar Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_and_Nicobar_Islands)Territory

1,633

1,848

2,296

2,715

3,168

3,595

3,760

4,147

13.17

24.24

18.25

16.69

13.48

4.59

10.29

Tamil Nadu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu)

219,003

249,567

287,530

305,157

320,085

350,258

391,372

428,109

13.96

15.21

6.13

4.89

9.43

11.74

9.39

Gujarat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat)

203,373

233,776

253,393

281,273

300,341

330,671

365,295

N.A

14.95

8.39

11.00

6.78

10.10

10.47

N.A

Bihar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihar)

77,781

78,494

92,427

99,492

113,994

125,875

144,472

163,439

0.92

17.75

7.64

14.58

10.42

14.77

13.13

Uttarakhand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarakhand)

24,786

28,268

32,260

38,015

42,837

47,599

51,107

55,606

14.05

14.12

17.84

12.68

11.12

7.37

8.80

Jammu & Kashmir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_%26_Kashmir)

23,292

25,278

27,652

30,720

34,290

38,735

43,716

49,388

8.53

9.39

11.10

11.62

12.96

12.86

12.97

swaich

June 23rd, 2012, 11:35 PM

In case you didn't read this bro..
I hope you can understand, as this was the eruption of public anger, which can happen any where. It happened in Delhi... It happened even in US (just because one football team lost). In Gujarat it took place between two different ideologies, after burning a train, (however both the acts were equally shamefull i.e. train burning as well as riots)... whereas in US riots took place between by fans of a football team and government was not able to stop them... will you call them state sponsored??? Come on these things happens and we must accept this and we cant be so immature to believe the paid media and blaming only one person who did his best to stop riots

Bhai these things happen?

You are sure the police didnt look the other way? About 1984 riots, read HS Phoolka's book "When a big tree falls". For Gujarat, read various NGO reports of witnesses and Human rights commission. I dont have an enmity with Modi to blame him unnecessarily.

cutejaatsandeep

June 23rd, 2012, 11:37 PM

All the roads, electricity, universities and industry cannot bring back the people killed while Modi looked the other way.
heere u r only talking about 1500 muslims...wat about kashmiri pandits?wat did they do wrong in kashmirr?y were they flushed out?lakhs of kashmiri were killed by tthese katwass...why no case is registered against omar or farrukh abdullah?

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 11:39 PM

funny to bhai mugjhe ab aapke comments lagne lage hain... I hope you can understand, as this was the eruption of public anger, which can happen any where. It happened in Delhi... It happened even in US (just because one football team lost). In Gujarat it took place between two different ideologies, after burning a train, (however both the acts were equally shamefull i.e. train burning as well as riots)... whereas in US riots took place between by fans of a football team and government was not able to stop them... will you call them state sponsored??? Come on these things happens and we must accept this and we cant be so immature to believe the paid media and blaming only one person who did his best to stop riots

O bhai kyu garam ho rha ja mar le jisne marta ho.

Bhai tera Modi Jaativaadi admi hai ...Log uski baato badak jate hai.....

m koi congressi kona .........Development ek alag chiz hai .........ye jo matter hai ye Development se khi jayda serious hai

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 11:41 PM

heere u r only talking about 1500 muslims...wat about kashmiri pandits?wat did they do wrong in kashmirr?y were they flushed out?lakhs of kashmiri were killed by tthese katwass...why no case is registered against omar or farrukh abdullah?

Haan to maro uske ser fodo ne. Jo main target hai uske to haat lagne ki kisi ki himmat hoti nhi ..Baksur bachare mare jawe hai.

eb rots ho Kashmir main. Bhai sandeep tu muslman mare aapne pados ke. To bhai ye sab chize Hindu or Muslman ke bich daraar paida kar deti hai aapne aap

cutejaatsandeep

June 23rd, 2012, 11:45 PM

Haan to maro uske ser fodo ne. Jo main target hai uske to haat lagne ki kisi ki himmat hoti nhi ..Baksur bachare mare jawe hai.
omar abdullah ya farrukh abdullah ne khud jaakarr to kissi ko nai maraaa......maraaa to teree un katwo ne hi hai....muslims ki sabse badi prob.. ye hai ke unke liye harr non muslim kafir hai..woo har kissi ko mulla banana chahte hai..thats y harrr jagah mulllle fight karte hai..recent example is myanmaar(burma)....m sure tujhee pata hoga waha kya chal raha hai

swaich

June 23rd, 2012, 11:46 PM

Well, there are many writing about negative of Modi and GDP of few other states better than Gujarat. I wish to highlight some positives related to life of Gujarat.
1. Agriculture growth in Gujarat is more than 10 % (Gujarat was never known for agriculture)
2. Recent tourism growth is more than 20 %.
3. Agriculture land in Gujarat have increased. This is striking here. Inspite of industrial development, agriculture land has increased. I forgot the number.
4. 24 hour electricity supply in villages. Only surplus state in India.
5. Chiravjivi scheme to encourage under privileged for institutional delivery. Drastic reduce in infant and pregnant women mortality rate.
5. Number of universities increased from 11 to 45. Some of its own kind like Raksha Shakti University and Forensic Science University.
6. Leading state in solar power.
7. Drastic increase in enrollment of schools (nearly 100 %).
8. iCARE is started by Gujarat Govt headed by Dr. Murthy to encourage entrepreneurship.
9. Gujarat farmers have soil health card for their farms. Getting inputs from scientists for farming.

I can go on and on with these facts (Came across all this in last one month only). Many steps are taken for women empowerment like Mission Manglam Scheme, making mothers' name compulsory in schools, some rebate in stamp duty for those who buy property against women name etc. Took only 21 days to solve the Ahmedabad blast case. Remember all this have happened when center government is trying its level best to stop (Reduce funds, not giving permissions for many of schemes). I don't have any doubt that Gujarat is on the way of becoming developed state in a developing country. Modi is used to say one think "Development for all and appeasement for none". At-least, right now, he is following it. Last week only, Gujarat wins the UN award for transparency in the government. (2nd best state in world and only one from India)

Note: Some mistake you may find in the post. But all in all, most of things are true. Search on Google more about Gujarat. One thing is sure if one wants to listen positive news about works, Follow the news related to Gujarat.

Also, I don't want to get into arguments here over Modi as it is an endless debate. I just posted this because most of hard facts always go missing related to Gujarat. That never make it a healthy debate. People revolve around 2002 only. Take 2002 and other works also. Then, it would be easier to judge.

Here are some other hard facts -
1. In 2001 Gujarat ranked 4th in per capita income. Now its 6th.
2. Gujarat has worse malnutrition figures than Uttar Pradesh according to a report by National Commission of Applied Economic Research.
3. 44.6% of Guj's children are malnourished and 66% in the age group of 0-5 are anaemic.
4. Maternal maternity rate only came down by 12 points between 2004-2009. In the same period the national maternal mortality rate was down by 50 points. So Gujarat was below the national average.
5. Vibrant Guj website claims that about $876Bn worth of MoUs have been signed since 2003. In truth RBI says that only $7.5Bn FDI flowed into Guj in this period, which is a mere 5% of total national FDI inflow. In the same period TN gathered 6% and Maharashtra got 35%.

So there are a lot of things which have been faked and covered up by Modi's PR machine.

But my purpose isnt to show Gujarat in a bad light. The state is miled ahead of many states in India. In women's right and industrial and labor laws it is one of the best places. But lets not overblow the trumpet.

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 11:50 PM

omar abdullah ya farrukh abdullah ne khud jaakarr to kissi ko nai maraaa......maraaa to teree un katwo ne hi hai....muslims ki sabse badi prob.. ye hai ke unke liye harr non muslim kafir hai..woo har kissi ko mulla banana chahte hai..thats y harrr jagah mulllle fight karte hai..recent example is myanmaar(burma)....m sure tujhee pata hoga waha kya chal raha hai

Aam Janta ki soch asi bilkul nhi hai ki her kisko mulla banna hai. Kiske pass time hai aaj kal is sab ka . Per hai Kuch log katter jarur hai bhai jo ye sochte hai per wo aam janta hai hissa nhi hai.

Yhi tho hai bhai Khud koi nhi marta .... or che koi hindu mare ya muslim mare kiske koi fark nhi padta . Jiske mare uske pade hai

swaich

June 23rd, 2012, 11:52 PM

heere u r only talking about 1500 muslims...wat about kashmiri pandits?wat did they do wrong in kashmirr?y were they flushed out?lakhs of kashmiri were killed by tthese katwass...why no case is registered against omar or farrukh abdullah?

Flawed logic again. Who said what happened to Kashmiri Pandits was right? And why is this issue related with Gujarat riots and Modi's culpability?

Its a separate issue. Open a thread about it and we can discuss more.

sanjeev1984

June 23rd, 2012, 11:55 PM

bhai na to mai garam hu or na mai kisi ko marna chahta hu... or please clarify kar do quote kar ke agar maine koi violent comment kiya hai to...
or aap fir se kisi aadmi ko bina jane allegation laga ruhe ho jativad ka... mugjhe ek bhi video/audio dikha do jahan pe modi kisi ko bhadka ruha ho... haan main modi ke secular sabit kar dene wale 10 video abhi de sakta hu...
bhai insaan ka congressi hona, bjp ka suppoter hona, ya rss ka karyakarta hona, ya hindu hona, ya jat hona, muslim hona itna jarori nahi hai jitna khule vicharon (open minded) ka hona jarori hai... aapne 4 news dekhi... 10 news padhi or modi ke bare mai raye bana li... this is not fair...
development ko to maine 3 post pehle se side rukh diya tha... :)

O bhai kyu garam ho rha ja mar le jisne marta ho.

Bhai tera Modi Jaativaadi admi hai ...Log uski baato badak jate hai.....

m koi congressi kona .........Development ek alag chiz hai .........ye jo matter hai ye Development se khi jayda serious hai

amankadian

June 23rd, 2012, 11:55 PM

omar abdullah ya farrukh abdullah ne khud jaakarr to kissi ko nai maraaa......maraaa to teree un katwo ne hi hai....muslims ki sabse badi prob.. ye hai ke unke liye harr non muslim kafir hai..woo har kissi ko mulla banana chahte hai..thats y harrr jagah mulllle fight karte hai..recent example is myanmaar(burma)....m sure tujhee pata hoga waha kya chal raha hai

Punjab Ke baad gujarati sabse jayda abroad main ja rhe hai. ek bhai bol rha hai 2nd number ka states ka states hai world main gujarat . fer kyun wo abroad jate hai tine cache state ko chodkar

amankadian

June 24th, 2012, 12:00 AM

bhai na to mai garam hu or na mai kisi ko marna chahta hu... or please clarify kar do quote kar ke agar maine koi violent comment kiya hai to...
or aap fir se kisi aadmi ko bina jane allegation laga ruhe ho jativad ka... mugjhe ek bhi video/audio dikha do jahan pe modi kisi ko bhadka ruha ho... haan main modi ke secular sabit kar dene wale 10 video abhi de sakta hu...
bhai insaan ka congressi hona, bjp ka suppoter hona, ya rss ka karyakarta hona, ya hindu hona, ya jat hona, muslim hona itna jarori nahi hai jitna khule vicharon (open minded) ka hona jarori hai... aapne 4 news dekhi... 10 news padhi or modi ke bare mai raye bana li... this is not fair...
development ko to maine 3 post pehle se side rukh diya tha... :) ye bold wali baat bahut sahi lagi bhai. kuch hona jaruri nhi hai bas dusro insaan ke liye respect honi jaruri hai
news ke year maine khub uski speech sun rhaki hai tv pe. He never sound like a kind hearted person.

or his position pe wo hai uske lie sab saman hone chiye bhai

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 12:04 AM

bazardparveen

June 24th, 2012, 12:08 AM

Here are some other hard facts -
1. In 2001 Gujarat ranked 4th in per capita income. Now its 6th.
2. Gujarat has worse malnutrition figures than Uttar Pradesh according to a report by National Commission of Applied Economic Research.
3. 44.6% of Guj's children are malnourished and 66% in the age group of 0-5 are anaemic.
4. Maternal maternity rate only came down by 12 points between 2004-2009. In the same period the national maternal mortality rate was down by 50 points. So Gujarat was below the national average.
5. Vibrant Guj website claims that about $876Bn worth of MoUs have been signed since 2003. In truth RBI says that only $7.5Bn FDI flowed into Guj in this period, which is a mere 5% of total national FDI inflow. In the same period TN gathered 6% and Maharashtra got 35%.

So there are a lot of things which have been faked and covered up by Modi's PR machine.

But my purpose isnt to show Gujarat in a bad light. The state is miled ahead of many states in India. In women's right and industrial and labor laws it is one of the best places. But lets not overblow the trumpet.

I never read too much into FDI and Per capita income as these are not absolute measure of development. Like Ambanis are earning too much also increases per capita income and FDI.

Malnutrition data was of year 2005-06 released by government of India in 2012 which showed Gujarat as one of the worst states. First of all, government must answer what it was doing for last 5 years with the data. May be compiling it. Shame on media who suppressed year and didn't ask GOI anything (http://deshgujarat.com/2012/05/10/41-children-underweight-55-women-anemic-in-gujaratcentral-minister-informs-parimal-nathwani-in-rajya-sabha/). They jumped on Gujarat. After this, Gujarat government took steps like state asked for grain donation through a full fledged campaign. About Maternal maternity rate, I am not sure about basis and time of the data. You may be right.

"But lets not overblow the trumpet."

Agree. In-fact, media must ask from every political party that if things can happen in Gujarat, then, why not in entire nation. Outright lies, biased news have become identity of main stream media. They are bigger danger to the nation, even bigger than corrupt politicians.

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 12:09 AM

bhai pehle mugjhe modi se itni nafrat thi ki kisi muslim ko bhi nahi hogi... but ab mugjhe modi ke secular credential pe koi shaq nahi hai... i m still open and welcome if you have any proof to reflect his inclination towards any particular community... please send me the link i'll educate others too...

ye bold wali baat bahut sahi lagi bhai. kuch hona jaruri nhi hai bas dusro insaan ke liye respect honi jaruri hai
news ke year maine khub uski speech sun rhaki hai tv pe. He never sound like a kind hearted person.

or his position pe wo hai uske lie sab saman hone chiye bhai

swaich

June 24th, 2012, 12:12 AM

Yes brother these things happen!!!! You, me, modi, rajiv gandhi, US government, Indian Govt(BJP or Congress, which ever is ruling) or any one on earth can never stop this. It will happen when it has to happen. And we cant blame one single person for it. No body wants riots like situation in his/her state. But it happens. Important is how we take it. One side we have Modi, Left it to supreme court to investigate and cooperating/supporting the whole process and on other side we have some other leader who were/are so scared that they cant even talk about this.

Brother, even if they do. Why should we forget them? Why shouldnt we find the culprits and punish them? We tried in Sikh riots, we failed in spite of 10 commisions. We tried in Guj and we will fail again. But that doesnt mean we should condone it and forget about it and say "yeh to chalta hi rehta hai duniya mein".

I think it all comes down to a few basic yet important differences between you and me and perhaps between many other individuals. You believe economic progress should be a criteria above everything else when deciding about a politician, especially in a country like ours with desperate need for growth.

I believe a person's character is the most important criteria and economic progress comes second especially as our country has so many different communities.

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 12:21 AM

bhai mugjhe lag ruha hai ab aapka sone ka time ho gaya hai isi liye aisi batein karne lage ho... paisa to na america ke pass kam hai or na japan ke pass... ab unse koi sawaal pooche ki wahan pe sab itna accha hai, paisa bhi hai to sab chood kar india kyon aate ho??? is hisaab se to tata or ambani se bhi ye sawal kar dena chahiye ki itni sai companies hain or itna paisa bhi kama liye ab or naye venture suru kyon kar ruhe ho or jayda profit kyon kama ruhe ho??? ye aapke last comment se to aisa lag ruha hai "mugjhe kuch to likhna tha to maine likh diya"...

Punjab Ke baad gujarati sabse jayda abroad main ja rhe hai. ek bhai bol rha hai 2nd number ka states ka states hai world main gujarat . fer kyun wo abroad jate hai tine cache state ko chodkar

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 12:31 AM

bazardparveen

June 24th, 2012, 12:40 AM

Punjab Ke baad gujarati sabse jayda abroad main ja rhe hai. ek bhai bol rha hai 2nd number ka states ka states hai world main gujarat . fer kyun wo abroad jate hai tine cache state ko chodkar

Wait, I mentioned wrongly, not second best in world. It got award second time for transparency in governance. Correcting the main post.

Now, transparency, even if it would have been second best in the world; doesn't mean it is best in every aspect. Really Disappointing to see that you are coming to conclusions without reading totality of the post. I already mentioned that there may be something here and there. But most of the facts are true. I can't remember every data. Here is the link. http://m.indianexpress.com/news/%22gujarat-wins-un-award-for-public-service%22/637910/

The above reveals one more positive; Swagat, grievance redressal system via video conferences.

swaich

June 24th, 2012, 01:01 AM

bhai maine development ke concept ko to side main rukh diya hai... 2002 ke hi riot aise hain jisme India ki history main sab se jayda culprit ko saza mili hai... or itne detailed tarike se investigation hui hai... agar modi ne kabhi investigation se muh fera hota ya vo india ki integrity ke against hota to aaj mai bhi aap ke sur mai sur mila ke bol ruha hota... but aisa nahi hai... or ruhi baat ki 1984 ke riots ki... to ek bar fir se unki investigation ki seriousness ko study kar lena jawab mil jayega... or character ke bare mai baat suru karne se pehle mugjhe please ye bata dena ki insaan ke koun-koun se traits, uske character ko reflect karte hain... ek bar character ko define kar ke... fir modi ke character ko discuss karangae...

Bhai, there were planned attacks in which administration and police helped or abetted the mobs. Various indepdendent journalists, NGOs and witnesses have confirmed this. Aap Gujarat riots ke wiki page of padh le or uske neeche refrenced sources ko bhi. Aap ko kaafi kuch clear ho jayega. Here' an extract -

"India's National Human Rights Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Human_Rights_Commission_of_India) (NHRC), an official body, found evidence in the killings of premeditation by members of Hindu extremist groups; complicity by Gujarat state government officials; and police inaction in the midst of attacks on Muslims. The NHRC also noted "widespread reports and allegations of well-organized persons, armed with mobile telephones and addresses, singling out certain homes and properties for death and destruction in certain districts-sometimes within view of police stations and personnel," suggesting the attacks may have been planned in advance. Christians were also victims in Gujarat, and many churches were destroyed."[54] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat_riots#cite_note-53)

The New York Times' Celia Dugger reported that witnesses were "dismayed by the lack of intervention from local police", who often "watched the events taking place and took no action against the attacks on Muslims and their property".[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat_riots#cite_note-Dugger_60-40) Human Rights Watch reported that in some cases members of the state police force led rioting mobs, "aiming and firing at every Muslim who got in the way", or instead of offering assistance "led the victims directly into the hands of their killers."[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat_riots#cite_note-Dawn1-41) Calls for assistance to the police, fire brigades, and even ambulance services generally proved futile.[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat_riots#cite_note-Dawn1-41)

Now how can such level of state complicity be possible without the approval of Modi?

And do watch the documentary on the riots 'The Final Solution'.

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 01:54 AM

bhai ye sari report maine bhi padhi hain or bahot sare video bhi dekhe hain... police inactive hoti to riot rokne ke liye jo firing ki vo kaise hui... or wahi reports ye bhi bolti hain ki 500 se jayada log police firing mai mare gaye hain...or agar police biased hoti to, un sab reports mai hi hai ki police firing main marne walo mai se more than 90% log hain... or ye 90% hindu police ne biased ho ke nahi mare... riot karne wale jayada hindu the to mare gaye... kuch muslim the to vo bhi mare gaye...

or ruhi baat police ke na involve hone ki to ek example deta hu... "humare plot mai ek western union wale ne dukaan rent pe le rukhi hai... kuch din pehle, ek habshi (nigerian) raat lok tood kar us shop main ghuss gaya... paise chori karne ke chakkar mai... usko kya pata tha ki raat ko koun uske liye wahan paisa chood kar jayega... jab vo lock tood ruha tha tab uski aawaz baju wali tent ki dukan mai soye huae ek helper ne sun li... pehle to vo dekhta ruha... jab vo habshi ander ghuss gaya to us helper ne bahar se shutter gira kar shop lock kar di... or humein phone kar diya... humne 100 pe police ko phone kar diya... raat ke 3:00 baje the do PCR shop ke saamne se gujri... humne dono ko rukawaya... bhaiyo ne rook to li but ek PCR wale ne jawab diya ki humara chai ka time ho agaya hai or doosre ne jawab diya ki duty time over ho gaya hai... 35-40 min ke baad wahan ek PCR aai... usme the 1 driver, 2 sipahi, 1 SI... 4 policia utar to aaye but shutter uthane ki kisi ki himmat nahi ho ri thi... wahan main or mera bhai the... humne police walo ko pehle to dhamkaya fir khud hi shutter khola... us habshi ko pakda or PCR mai baithaya... " ye example koi kahani nahi hai satya ghatna pe adharit hai... or moral of the story ye hai ki police wale bhi hum jaise hi hote hain... dar unko bhi lagta hai or salary bhi kam hoti hai, to dew bhi nahi pi sakte (taki dar ke aage jeet nazar aa jaye)... ye to normal si chori ki ghatna thi... jisme police ne action nahi liya.. iske liye mai shiela dixhit ko responsible declare kar du kya... gujarat ke haadse mai to darr or emotions dono hi involve the... jab mai police walo ke dar ke karan CM or guilty nahi declare kar ruha to ... fir doosi situation main darr or emotion ke karan wahan ke CM ko kaise responsible thera hu????

or mugjhe ye accha laga ye dekh kar ki india mai aise log hain jo 2002 ke victims ke liye itna sochte hain... but ye soch kar dukh hota hai ki baki desh ke victims ke bare mai agar iska 1% bhi effort kar liya hota to shayad india aaj kisi or hi raste pe hota....

Bhai, there were planned attacks in which administration and police helped or abetted the mobs. Various indepdendent journalists, NGOs and witnesses have confirmed this. Aap Gujarat riots ke wiki page of padh le or uske neeche refrenced sources ko bhi. Aap ko kaafi kuch clear ho jayega. Here' an extract -

Now how can such level of state complicity be possible without the approval of Modi?

And do watch the documentary on the riots 'The Final Solution'.

swaich

June 24th, 2012, 02:10 AM

bhai ye sari report maine bhi padhi hain or bahot sare video bhi dekhe hain... police inactive hoti to riot rokne ke liye jo firing ki vo kaise hui... or wahi reports ye bhi bolti hain ki 500 se jayada log police firing mai mare gaye hain...or agar police biased hoti to, un sab reports mai hi hai ki police firing main marne walo mai se more than 90% log hain... or ye 90% hindu police ne biased ho ke nahi mare... riot karne wale jayada hindu the to mare gaye... kuch muslim the to vo bhi mare gaye...

or ruhi baat police ke na involve hone ki to ek example deta hu... "humare plot mai ek western union wale ne dukaan rent pe le rukhi hai... kuch din pehle, ek habshi (nigerian) raat lok tood kar us shop main ghuss gaya... paise chori karne ke chakkar mai... usko kya pata tha ki raat ko koun uske liye wahan paisa chood kar jayega... jab vo lock tood ruha tha tab uski aawaz baju wali tent ki dukan mai soye huae ek helper ne sun li... pehle to vo dekhta ruha... jab vo habshi ander ghuss gaya to us helper ne bahar se shutter gira kar shop lock kar di... or humein phone kar diya... humne 100 pe police ko phone kar diya... raat ke 3:00 baje the do PCR shop ke saamne se gujri... humne dono ko rukawaya... bhaiyo ne rook to li but ek PCR wale ne jawab diya ki humara chai ka time ho agaya hai or doosre ne jawab diya ki duty time over ho gaya hai... 35-40 min ke baad wahan ek PCR aai... usme the 1 driver, 2 sipahi, 1 SI... 4 policia utar to aaye but shutter uthane ki kisi ki himmat nahi ho ri thi... wahan main or mera bhai the... humne police walo ko pehle to dhamkaya fir khud hi shutter khola... us habshi ko pakda or PCR mai baithaya... " ye example koi kahani nahi hai satya ghatna pe adharit hai... or moral of the story ye hai ki police wale bhi hum jaise hi hote hain... dar unko bhi lagta hai or salary bhi kam hoti hai, to dew bhi nahi pi sakte (taki dar ke aage jeet nazar aa jaye)... ye to normal si chori ki ghatna thi... jisme police ne action nahi liya.. iske liye mai shiela dixhit ko responsible declare kar du kya... gujarat ke haadse mai to darr or emotions dono hi involve the... jab mai police walo ke dar ke karan CM or guilty nahi declare kar ruha to ... fir doosi situation main darr or emotion ke karan wahan ke CM ko kaise responsible thera hu????

or mugjhe ye accha laga ye dekh kar ki india mai aise log hain jo 2002 ke victims ke liye itna sochte hain... but ye soch kar dukh hota hai ki baki desh ke victims ke bare mai agar iska 1% bhi effort kar liya hota to shayad india aaj kisi or hi raste pe hota....

Bhai, police ne tab action liya jab media ka pressure barh gaya. Army bhi bulayi gayi thi. Par tab tak the damage had been done. The riots started on 27th, and reached their worst on 28th. But the police firing incidents happened by 2nd March. In the meantime even an ex MP had been killed. Aapne Ehsaan Jaafri case to parha hi hoga.

Apne bahut acha example diya police ki inefficiency ka. Par jab yahi police ko pata ho ki unhe upar se puri support hai to woh sher ban jate hain. Aisa hi hua tha Gujarat mein.

rekhasmriti

June 24th, 2012, 04:35 AM

may be bad choice of words--
guilty as charged

modi was responsible for so many muslim deaths in godhara

as a CM -------leader of a state-

he has proved to be phenomenal

in spite of all what he has doen-

whole gujaart has accepeted him as his LEader

bas yar wok ek cheez par khela----- n usse paat tha woh kam laregi-- usse kehte hai future-vision-

he worked on development- provide amenities to people

---------us narmada project ke liye, duniya sadak par dharna dene aa gayee-----------
but modi na manna ram g ki bhi-
coz he knows usse mere logon ka bahal hoga

bhad gaya - tumhaar pollution

sir g- no one can be perfect - ab yhe humei judge karna hai ki uski qualities se humei zyda fayda hai ya disqualities se zyada nuksan

Bahut badia kaam kia log ko marwa kar. .........ager wo Modi muslam hota or Hindu ko marwata fir kya bolte aap

You don't have heart ..... kitni araam se bol rhe ho ki kitne muslaman karwye ...Omg wo insaan nhi they kya

Hero that's sound not for him. Criminal. Kiska baap mara, kiski maa, kisike bacche. Kabi socha hai un muslim parviaar ka kya hua hoga.

more then 1000s women got widows

rekhasmriti

June 24th, 2012, 04:45 AM

i m kinda curious

waht made u change ur mind

bhai pehle mugjhe modi se itni nafrat thi ki kisi muslim ko bhi nahi hogi... but ab mugjhe modi ke secular credential pe koi shaq nahi hai... i m still open and welcome if you have any proof to reflect his inclination towards any particular community... please send me the link i'll educate others too...

VirJ

June 24th, 2012, 07:16 AM

Here's my line of argument, let me know if you get it easily or I will try breaking it down further for you.

Two wrongs do not make a right. We cant justify Modi's guilt by saying "Others are guilty too, ask them to apologize first!" This is not a kid's chocolate stealing game in school. No political party is scot free.

And when did I say I support Congress? Does opposing Modi or BJP automatically mean a Congress supporter? Congress is no good on protecting minority rights. They are sham secular. Narasimha Rao had intelligence inputs that Babri will be destroyed, yet he didnt send in central forces.

I have voted 4 times uptill now in total. Never for Congress.

Gujarat isnt developed yet. Its still developing. But its developed as compared to most other states. I hope this is not too hard to understand.

I am not ready to risk a leader like Modi. That guy couldnt manage a riot in his own state, rather allowed it to happen. How will he manage a multitude of such issues all over the country?

And let me tell you something, it doesnt take a lot for the official machinery - the police, administration to get into a tacit understanding of which community to support. And this affects normal people too. Rajiv's hand in the riots could have never been confirmed pr proven. Yet the police actually helped the mobs with voter lists. People killed their own neighbors because it seemed like common understanding that Sikhs have to be punished for killing Gandhi. Similar thing happened in Gujarat after Godhra. The Hindu population was naturally seething with anger, so were the mostly Hindu administration who were sympathetic to the mobs of rioters. But this is where an impartial CM could have come in and prevented such loss. Yet he didnt do it and instead 'allowed' things to deteriorate.

I am ok with the BJP coming to power, but not Modi as PM.

मेने तो पहली ही कही थी के तू सबने एक सामान चश्मे त देखे तो कोई दिक्कत न हे. इब तू नु कवे हे के सारी पार्टी ही दोषी हे कांग्रेस भी दोषी हे तो फेर इस सोनिया हर मनमोहन ने भी परधानमंत्री नहीं बनना चाहिए. रही development की बात तो में कगाची आंकड़े में विस्वास नहीं करा करदा. ओदे एक गेडा मार आ तेने पंजाब हर गुजरात में फरक बेर पाट जागा. और तेरा यु तर्क के एक बढ़िया विकासशील परदेश को और विकासशील बनाना बहोत आसान हे तो भाई फेर तो आज बिहार सबते आगे होना चाहिए था और पंजाब भी टॉप की स्टेट होना था पर हरयाणा ने पंजाब पीछे छोड़ दिया per capita income में. नु काया करे हे ने के टॉप पे पहुंचना आसान हे टॉप पे बने रहना मुस्किल हो हे
इब तेरी बातां का सार यु हे: तू सिर्फ मोदी ने परधानमंत्री इसलिए नहीं देखना चावे कौनकी वो गुजरात में दंगे नहीं रोक सका. तेरा अकेला तर्क यो हे तो फेर नु बता कौन परधानमंत्री बनना चाहिए तेरी नज़र में. तेने ही कही हे के हमाम में सब नंगे हे. मेरी नज़र में तो जितने विकल्प हे तेरे अन्ना हजारे हर रामदेव ने मिलाके यो सबते बढ़िया लगे हे इब तू तेरा विकल्प बता

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 01:16 PM

police starting se hi active hi... or aapko ye bhi maluum hoga ki humare yahan 50:1 ratio hai common man:police ka... or shayad ratio is-se bhi jayada ho... ab police walo itne bade area ko shaat rukhne ke liye time to lagega hi... vo bhi insaan hain... superman to nahi hain... taj ke 3 terrorist ko control karne main kitni sari mumbai police or NSG ke kitne commandos lage the, fir bhi 6 dim mai control kar paye the... gujarat mai to common aadmi hi terrorist bana hua tha chahe hindu ho ya muslim... (ab pls ye mat bolna ki taj te terrorist trained the is liye itne log or din lage... wahan trained the to retaliation force bhi jayada thi... yahan untrained the to rioters vs force ka ratio bhi jayada tha)

bhai mai media ke pressure ke concept ko nahi maanta... ye media kya pressurize karegi kisi ko jo khud biki hui hai... aisi media kya pressure banayegi jo news kam sunate hain or humara entertainment jayada karte hain... kabhi to nazar surkash kavach sale karte hain, kabhi ek call kar ke ek face identify karne pe logo ko hazaro ka inaam dete hain, kabhi souna slim belt sale karte hain, kabhi to barkha dutt jaise log 2g spectrum mai involve huae dikhte hain... ye kya pressure karangae kisi ko... or agar media ke pressure jaisi cheez hoti to media ne wahan modi ko action lene ke liye jitna pressurize nahi kiya jitna aaj tak use resign karwane ke liye kiya hai.. agar modi media ka pressure maanta to na narmada dam banta... or modi kab ka pressure mai aa ke resign kar chuka hota... ye kaisa concept hai ki modi media ke pressure mai action to le leta hai but resign nahi karta...

Ex-MP bhi insaan hi hai, superman to nahi hai... riots ke time mai jab, sab logon ke sur pe khoor sawar hai, or curfew jaisi halat hai... aise mai to ghar pe baithna hi samajhdari hai (chahe vo Ex-MP hindu ho ya muslim)... superhero ban ke public ko provoke karega to or kya ho sakta hai... jo hua vo theek to nahi hua but agar aise mahool main vo apne ghar mai ander hota to jayada safe hota... or agar itna hi patience sab mai hota to na riots hote... or na bechara Ex-MP mara jata...

Bhai maine police ye nahi kahan ki police inefficient hai... maine kaha hai ki vo bhi insaan hain... unke bhi bacche hain.. or unko bhi marne se darr lagta hai... mere family and relatives mai kafi log police mai hain... ek unkle hain crime branch mai. thode senior hain... unki batai hui baat batata hu... ek bar unki team ko order mila tha...delhi ke ek kafi naami criminal ko uthane ka... unki sari team ko ye bhai pata tha ki vo criminal kis time pe, kitne logo ke saath, kahan aane wala hai... ek restro se uthana tha usko... sari team ko ye bhi pata tha ki uske pass kounse weapons hain or kitni ammunition hai... un unkle ki team ka ek inspector us goone ki table pe baith kar wapas aa gaya or bola sir kisi or ko bol do ye karne ke liye mai nahi kar sakta... to bhai mere kehne ka taatpariye ye hai ki support sher nahi banati... situation sher banati hai... i hero ka 50 criminals ko peetna sirf movies mai hi chalta hai... ground reality kuch or hi hoti hai... vo bhi ek situation thi ki kuch logo ne mil kar 80 log jinda jala diye... wahan ve sher ban gaye... or ye bhi ek situation thi ki fir logo ne mil kar, sher ban kar... kuch or log mar/jala diye... (kiya to dono ne galat... but sher kisi neta ki support ke karan nahi bane... sher bane to situation ke karan...) or jab police sher ban gai tab dono kism ke log aaram se baith gaye...

Bhai, police ne tab action liya jab media ka pressure barh gaya. Army bhi bulayi gayi thi. Par tab tak the damage had been done. The riots started on 27th, and reached their worst on 28th. But the police firing incidents happened by 2nd March. In the meantime even an ex MP had been killed. Aapne Ehsaan Jaafri case to parha hi hoga.

Apne bahut acha example diya police ki inefficiency ka. Par jab yahi police ko pata ho ki unhe upar se puri support hai to woh sher ban jate hain. Aisa hi hua tha Gujarat mein.

dahiyask

June 24th, 2012, 01:23 PM

mane to nu laga hai ke yahan pe congress walo ki ginti badh rahi hai. Aaj pure desh me congress , so called secular(like mulayan, lallu,vampanthi aur ab ye nitish )or muslim ko chhod kar koi bhi aisa nahi hai jo Modi ko PM nahi dekhna chahta ho. Aaj refrendum karvo lo Modi ke aage desh ko koi bhi neeta tik nahi payega. Lekin is desh ka durbhagya hai ke jis ko desh chahta hai vo nahi ban pata aur jis ko vo videshi aurat sonia chahti hai vo ban jata hai chaye vo PM ho ya Prseident. desh ke sare log chahte the ke Kalam saheb president bane lekin dekho kya hua.

swaich

June 24th, 2012, 01:39 PM

मेने तो पहली ही कही थी के तू सबने एक सामान चश्मे त देखे तो कोई दिक्कत न हे. इब तू नु कवे हे के सारी पार्टी ही दोषी हे कांग्रेस भी दोषी हे तो फेर इस सोनिया हर मनमोहन ने भी परधानमंत्री नहीं बनना चाहिए. रही development की बात तो में कगाची आंकड़े में विस्वास नहीं करा करदा. ओदे एक गेडा मार आ तेने पंजाब हर गुजरात में फरक बेर पाट जागा. और तेरा यु तर्क के एक बढ़िया विकासशील परदेश को और विकासशील बनाना बहोत आसान हे तो भाई फेर तो आज बिहार सबते आगे होना चाहिए था और पंजाब भी टॉप की स्टेट होना था पर हरयाणा ने पंजाब पीछे छोड़ दिया per capita income में. नु काया करे हे ने के टॉप पे पहुंचना आसान हे टॉप पे बने रहना मुस्किल हो हे
इब तेरी बातां का सार यु हे: तू सिर्फ मोदी ने परधानमंत्री इसलिए नहीं देखना चावे कौनकी वो गुजरात में दंगे नहीं रोक सका. तेरा अकेला तर्क यो हे तो फेर नु बता कौन परधानमंत्री बनना चाहिए तेरी नज़र में. तेने ही कही हे के हमाम में सब नंगे हे. मेरी नज़र में तो जितने विकल्प हे तेरे अन्ना हजारे हर रामदेव ने मिलाके यो सबते बढ़िया लगे हे इब तू तेरा विकल्प बता

Economy wali baat pe pehle hi bata chuka hun ki kai states Guj se aage hain. Same for health and social indicators.

Aur beech mein Punjab or Haryana kahan se aa gaye?

Baki, appka question "Ki agar Modi nahin to kaun?" valid hai. I like BJP as a party more than Congress jo ki sirf chamchagiri jante hain. If BJP comes to power they have a plethora of leaders to choose from. I think Jaswant Singh is a good enough guy. True aap keh sakte hain ki Mdi is a better leader, adminstrator etc. But Jaswant Singh isnt communal. He doesnt run away from interviews when asked about controversial topics. And he will have the honor of resigning if something like Godhra and Guj riots happened under his watch.

swaich

June 24th, 2012, 01:59 PM

police starting se hi active hi... or aapko ye bhi maluum hoga ki humare yahan 50:1 ratio hai common man:police ka... or shayad ratio is-se bhi jayada ho... ab police walo itne bade area ko shaat rukhne ke liye time to lagega hi... vo bhi insaan hain... superman to nahi hain... taj ke 3 terrorist ko control karne main kitni sari mumbai police or NSG ke kitne commandos lage the, fir bhi 6 dim mai control kar paye the... gujarat mai to common aadmi hi terrorist bana hua tha chahe hindu ho ya muslim... (ab pls ye mat bolna ki taj te terrorist trained the is liye itne log or din lage... wahan trained the to retaliation force bhi jayada thi... yahan untrained the to rioters vs force ka ratio bhi jayada tha)

bhai mai media ke pressure ke concept ko nahi maanta... ye media kya pressurize karegi kisi ko jo khud biki hui hai... aisi media kya pressure banayegi jo news kam sunate hain or humara entertainment jayada karte hain... kabhi to nazar surkash kavach sale karte hain, kabhi ek call kar ke ek face identify karne pe logo ko hazaro ka inaam dete hain, kabhi souna slim belt sale karte hain, kabhi to barkha dutt jaise log 2g spectrum mai involve huae dikhte hain... ye kya pressure karangae kisi ko... or agar media ke pressure jaisi cheez hoti to media ne wahan modi ko action lene ke liye jitna pressurize nahi kiya jitna aaj tak use resign karwane ke liye kiya hai.. agar modi media ka pressure maanta to na narmada dam banta... or modi kab ka pressure mai aa ke resign kar chuka hota... ye kaisa concept hai ki modi media ke pressure mai action to le leta hai but resign nahi karta...

Ex-MP bhi insaan hi hai, superman to nahi hai... riots ke time mai jab, sab logon ke sur pe khoor sawar hai, or curfew jaisi halat hai... aise mai to ghar pe baithna hi samajhdari hai (chahe vo Ex-MP hindu ho ya muslim)... superhero ban ke public ko provoke karega to or kya ho sakta hai... jo hua vo theek to nahi hua but agar aise mahool main vo apne ghar mai ander hota to jayada safe hota... or agar itna hi patience sab mai hota to na riots hote... or na bechara Ex-MP mara jata...

Bhai maine police ye nahi kahan ki police inefficient hai... maine kaha hai ki vo bhi insaan hain... unke bhi bacche hain.. or unko bhi marne se darr lagta hai... mere family and relatives mai kafi log police mai hain... ek unkle hain crime branch mai. thode senior hain... unki batai hui baat batata hu... ek bar unki team ko order mila tha...delhi ke ek kafi naami criminal ko uthane ka... unki sari team ko ye bhai pata tha ki vo criminal kis time pe, kitne logo ke saath, kahan aane wala hai... ek restro se uthana tha usko... sari team ko ye bhi pata tha ki uske pass kounse weapons hain or kitni ammunition hai... un unkle ki team ka ek inspector us goone ki table pe baith kar wapas aa gaya or bola sir kisi or ko bol do ye karne ke liye mai nahi kar sakta... to bhai mere kehne ka taatpariye ye hai ki support sher nahi banati... situation sher banati hai... i hero ka 50 criminals ko peetna sirf movies mai hi chalta hai... ground reality kuch or hi hoti hai... vo bhi ek situation thi ki kuch logo ne mil kar 80 log jinda jala diye... wahan ve sher ban gaye... or ye bhi ek situation thi ki fir logo ne mil kar, sher ban kar... kuch or log mar/jala diye... (kiya to dono ne galat... but sher kisi neta ki support ke karan nahi bane... sher bane to situation ke karan...) or jab police sher ban gai tab dono kism ke log aaram se baith gaye...

I agree aaj ki media shaq se pare nahin hai. Paid news ki bi kaafi batein uthi hain. Par 2002 was still different. Media rise pe tha. Aur media ka kaafi issues pe logon pe bahut bada effect that. Aapko Kargil issue to yaad hoga. Media ki frontline reporting se hi desh mein deshbhakti ki awaz gunji thi aur pura desh ek saath that. Aur bhi kayi muddon pe media ne constructive role ada kiya hai. Anna Hazare ka mudda bh le lijiye. Kya media ne Anna ka saath nahi diya? Is liye media of generalize karna aur unke kaam ko nakaar dena gala hai.

Sir, lagta hai apne riots mein Gulbarg society ke baare main parha nahi hai. Agar parha hota to aisi baat naa karte. Ehsaan jaafri ke baarein mein dhyaan se padhiye. Ek aadmi jiski society ko mob ne gher rakha jai woh khud kyun bheerh ko uksayega? Mob ne use dhoke se maara. Kaha gaya ki woh usse baat karna chahti hai aur fir chali jayegi. Par uske gate se bahar aate hi jala dala. Aur aap use provocation keh rahe hain? Ek 70 saal ka admi kya provocation karega? His society Gulbarg was 2 km away from police commissioner's office in central Ahmedabad. He called Modi and several police official repetedly for 5 hours. Yet no help arrived.

Aur ye proocation Police ke liye bahut convenient excuse hota hai. 1984 mein pehle din sirf Sikhs ki arrest hui thi, woh jinho ne apne self defense ke liye fire kiya that.

I too have some extended family members in police. Baaki police ko jab power ho wo kya kya kar sakti hai, woh sare Punjab ne 80s mein dekha hai. There are too many cases of Police abuse of powers to write down.

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 01:59 PM

Rekha ji... suppose that you are a policewoman (at any level, from constable to commissioner). Can you give me assurance that you will not let happen a single case of crime of any kind??? I know you can't. Why??? Because people's actions are out of your control. Than, can I state that as your inefficiency???(when you are giving your 100% for duties and responsibility)??? No, I should not state that you are inefficient(I can, But i should not!!!). But your performance and seriousness about you duties need to be checked and measured and examined? According to me this should be the way of a educated person (by the way it depends on people to follow it or not).
1). I can criticize you for whatever happened, and for not maintaining the law and order? But I should never put allegations on you and put all blame on you by stating that you did this. (As things were out of your control.) (Correct me, If i m wrong!!!)
2). Your seriousness can be examined only on the basis of the action you would be taking against the culprits and bringing them to the judicial system. Which will set example for other future criminals too.

Train burning in Godhra and riots were out of control of Modi(Whereas media always shows Modi as culprit). Modi took every possible action to maintain peace. And even now co-operates will the investigation team appointed by Supreme Court of India. What else people expect him to do??? Resignation/ Apology!!!! Why??? Why should he apologize for the sins, which he never committed??? And why should he resign too??? I hope you know 2002 are the only riots in the history of this world for which investigation team have taken the statements of more than 45000 (please don't assume that, by mistake i put one extra zero or two, it is fourty five thousand...) peoples (which includes victims, bureaucrats, culprits, witnesses, politicians etc.). That is what he did for those riots of 2002.

And for Gujarat, I have worked there for few years. After 2002, gujarat has not witnessed even a single riot after then and not a single day curfew. And a lot of things which can change one's mind/opinion.

i m kinda curious

waht made u change ur mind

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 03:02 PM

Aisa kya different tha 2002 mai??? Jo us time ke news reader the ek saal baad sabne aaj apne news chennal ki dukan khol li hai... kahan se aaya itna paisa??? tab se hi to kama ruhe hongae??? humare saamne aaj aa ruha hai... 1965 or 71 mai to itne news chennal nahi the... desh to tab bhi ek saath khada tha... media ko credit kahan se chla gaya desh ko joodne ka??? or media ke kuch constructive acts (pata nahi koun se???) and unke sare distructive acts pe parda dal sakta hai... but kisi state ki 10 saal ki growth se wahan se 6 din ke riots ko nahi bhulaya ja sakta... vo bhi jisme common log hi culprit the or common log hi victim... badhiya vichar hain... but bhai itna negative hona accha nahi hota...

Bhai maine kya padha hai or kya nahi is par aap kaise comment kar sakte ho... maine pehle bhi kahan hai... aap apni raye kuch jayada jaldi bana lete ho... thoda time lagaya karo.. do-chao alag angle se socha karo fir raye banaya karo kisi ke bare mai... maine gulberg society ke bare mai padha bhi hai or dekha bhi hai... 2002 mai gulberg mai riot huae... ek bar in sawalo ke jawab likh dekha (as aapne kafi detail mai padha hoga... or aap ko sara ghatna karam bhi yaad hoga...)
1). riot to 2002 mai huae but jakia jafri ne first time modi ke aarop kab lagaya???
2). modi pe aarop lagane se pehle alag-alag investigation teams ne kitni bar jaika jafri ka statement liya tha???
3). jakia jafri ne ab tak kitni bar statement change kiya hai???
4). jakia jafri ko modi pe aarop lagane mai itna time kyon lag gaya???
5). CM office ke records main ehsaan jafri ki dialed ya incomming call record kyon nahi mila? mr jafri ke phone record mai bhi wahan ke local logo ke hi no mile (incomming and out going)??? ehsaan jafri telepathy se baat kar ruha tha kya modi se, jo ki baat bhi kar li or kahin koi record bhi nahi hai???
6). kuch or bhi hai... but pehle bhai inke hi jawab de do....

Bhai provoke karne ke liye age certificate ki jarurat hoti hai kya??? jo ye bol ruhe ho ki 70 saal ka aadmi kya provoke karega... mere dada ji 85 saal ke hain... teen din pehle mere dada ne mere chaha ke ladke ko provoke kar ke ek bechara rikhsha wala bihar pitwa diya... bhai provoke to koi bhai kar sakta hai... bas bolna hi to hai...

Police Commissioner ka office 2 kilometre to kya agar gulberg society mai bhi hota... to 4500 log jinke pass hathyar hain, unke saamne Police Comm. kya karta... Again Vo bhi insaan hai Superman nahi hai bhai... or kitni baar bolu???... or agar vo police Comm wahin pe kafi sari force lagwa deta to kahin or jayada log mare jate... resources to limited hi hain jaisa ki maine pehle bola...

Bhai punjab ne 80 mai jo dekha vo terrorism tha... usko aap north east ke nexals se ya kashmir ke terrorism se to cmpare kar sakte ho but 10-15 din ke riots ke saath compare karna theek nahi hai... ek mai cold blodded killers hain jo plan kar ke logo ko marte hain/maarte the... or doosri taraf provoked logo ke gusse ka eruption hai...

I agree aaj ki media shaq se pare nahin hai. Paid news ki bi kaafi batein uthi hain. Par 2002 was still different. Media rise pe tha. Aur media ka kaafi issues pe logon pe bahut bada effect that. Aapko Kargil issue to yaad hoga. Media ki frontline reporting se hi desh mein deshbhakti ki awaz gunji thi aur pura desh ek saath that. Aur bhi kayi muddon pe media ne constructive role ada kiya hai. Anna Hazare ka mudda bh le lijiye. Kya media ne Anna ka saath nahi diya? Is liye media of generalize karna aur unke kaam ko nakaar dena gala hai.

Sir, lagta hai apne riots mein Gulbarg society ke baare main parha nahi hai. Agar parha hota to aisi baat naa karte. Ehsaan jaafri ke baarein mein dhyaan se padhiye. Ek aadmi jiski society ko mob ne gher rakha jai woh khud kyun bheerh ko uksayega? Mob ne use dhoke se maara. Kaha gaya ki woh usse baat karna chahti hai aur fir chali jayegi. Par uske gate se bahar aate hi jala dala. Aur aap use provocation keh rahe hain? Ek 70 saal ka admi kya provocation karega? His society Gulbarg was 2 km away from police commissioner's office in central Ahmedabad. He called Modi and several police official repetedly for 5 hours. Yet no help arrived.

Aur ye proocation Police ke liye bahut convenient excuse hota hai. 1984 mein pehle din sirf Sikhs ki arrest hui thi, woh jinho ne apne self defense ke liye fire kiya that.

I too have some extended family members in police. Baaki police ko jab power ho wo kya kya kar sakti hai, woh sare Punjab ne 80s mein dekha hai. There are too many cases of Police abuse of powers to write down.

navdeepkhatkar

June 24th, 2012, 04:33 PM

Aisa kya different tha 2002 mai??? Jo us time ke news reader the ek saal baad sabne aaj apne news chennal ki dukan khol li hai... kahan se aaya itna paisa??? tab se hi to kama ruhe hongae??? humare saamne aaj aa ruha hai... 1965 or 71 mai to itne news chennal nahi the... desh to tab bhi ek saath khada tha... media ko credit kahan se chla gaya desh ko joodne ka??? or media ke kuch constructive acts (pata nahi koun se???) and unke sare distructive acts pe parda dal sakta hai... but kisi state ki 10 saal ki growth se wahan se 6 din ke riots ko nahi bhulaya ja sakta... vo bhi jisme common log hi culprit the or common log hi victim... badhiya vichar hain... but bhai itna negative hona accha nahi hota...

Bhai maine kya padha hai or kya nahi is par aap kaise comment kar sakte ho... maine pehle bhi kahan hai... aap apni raye kuch jayada jaldi bana lete ho... thoda time lagaya karo.. do-chao alag angle se socha karo fir raye banaya karo kisi ke bare mai... maine gulberg society ke bare mai padha bhi hai or dekha bhi hai... 2002 mai gulberg mai riot huae... ek bar in sawalo ke jawab likh dekha (as aapne kafi detail mai padha hoga... or aap ko sara ghatna karam bhi yaad hoga...)
1). riot to 2002 mai huae but jakia jafri ne first time modi ke aarop kab lagaya???
2). modi pe aarop lagane se pehle alag-alag investigation teams ne kitni bar jaika jafri ka statement liya tha???
3). jakia jafri ne ab tak kitni bar statement change kiya hai???
4). jakia jafri ko modi pe aarop lagane mai itna time kyon lag gaya???
5). CM office ke records main ehsaan jafri ki dialed ya incomming call record kyon nahi mila? mr jafri ke phone record mai bhi wahan ke local logo ke hi no mile (incomming and out going)??? ehsaan jafri telepathy se baat kar ruha tha kya modi se, jo ki baat bhi kar li or kahin koi record bhi nahi hai???
6). kuch or bhi hai... but pehle bhai inke hi jawab de do....

Bhai provoke karne ke liye age certificate ki jarurat hoti hai kya??? jo ye bol ruhe ho ki 70 saal ka aadmi kya provoke karega... mere dada ji 85 saal ke hain... teen din pehle mere dada ne mere chaha ke ladke ko provoke kar ke ek bechara rikhsha wala bihar pitwa diya... bhai provoke to koi bhai kar sakta hai... bas bolna hi to hai...

Police Commissioner ka office 2 kilometre to kya agar gulberg society mai bhi hota... to 4500 log jinke pass hathyar hain, unke saamne Police Comm. kya karta... Again Vo bhi insaan hai Superman nahi hai bhai... or kitni baar bolu???... or agar vo police Comm wahin pe kafi sari force lagwa deta to kahin or jayada log mare jate... resources to limited hi hain jaisa ki maine pehle bola...

Bhai punjab ne 80 mai jo dekha vo terrorism tha... usko aap north east ke nexals se ya kashmir ke terrorism se to cmpare kar sakte ho but 10-15 din ke riots ke saath compare karna theek nahi hai... ek mai cold blodded killers hain jo plan kar ke logo ko marte hain/maarte the... or doosri taraf provoked logo ke gusse ka eruption hai...

Oh bhaii sanjeev ...... i read aal your posts .....
u want a healthy debate .. but nobody else want teh same ..
so koi fayda nahi h .. kitni baar likh l e..... kitne panne bhar le .. logan ke koi farak nahi padhna ..
unke to chasme laag rahe h ... SICKULARISM aale .. jisa ek bhai ne kaha tha .....
bas haar baat me 2002 ghusa de se ......
1984 k bare me koi baat nahio karan chahta ....
Kuch log moral grounds ki baat kar rahe h ........ par wo moral grounds sirf modi par lagu hote h GANDHI and bakiyon par lagu nahi hote ..... :):)
so better to back off .....

navdeepkhatkar

June 24th, 2012, 04:41 PM

or har koi baat karta h .. ki itne muslim mare gaye .. utne mare gaye ...... kisi ne ya nahi kah ki itne hindu mare gaye .......

Modi par ilzaam to tab lagate na jab pahel hinduon me muslims ko mara hota ......

it was mere a reaction to the action .....

or haan i criticize both .... but more criticism to the attack on hindus becaus that was planned avt which provoked the other section to retaliate ...

PERIOD............

rekhasmriti

June 24th, 2012, 06:19 PM

make sense!

police starting se hi active hi... or aapko ye bhi maluum hoga ki humare yahan 50:1 ratio hai common man:police ka... or shayad ratio is-se bhi jayada ho... ab police walo itne bade area ko shaat rukhne ke liye time to lagega hi... vo bhi insaan hain... superman to nahi hain... taj ke 3 terrorist ko control karne main kitni sari mumbai police or NSG ke kitne commandos lage the, fir bhi 6 dim mai control kar paye the... gujarat mai to common aadmi hi terrorist bana hua tha chahe hindu ho ya muslim... (ab pls ye mat bolna ki taj te terrorist trained the is liye itne log or din lage... wahan trained the to retaliation force bhi jayada thi... yahan untrained the to rioters vs force ka ratio bhi jayada tha)

bhai mai media ke pressure ke concept ko nahi maanta... ye media kya pressurize karegi kisi ko jo khud biki hui hai... aisi media kya pressure banayegi jo news kam sunate hain or humara entertainment jayada karte hain... kabhi to nazar surkash kavach sale karte hain, kabhi ek call kar ke ek face identify karne pe logo ko hazaro ka inaam dete hain, kabhi souna slim belt sale karte hain, kabhi to barkha dutt jaise log 2g spectrum mai involve huae dikhte hain... ye kya pressure karangae kisi ko... or agar media ke pressure jaisi cheez hoti to media ne wahan modi ko action lene ke liye jitna pressurize nahi kiya jitna aaj tak use resign karwane ke liye kiya hai.. agar modi media ka pressure maanta to na narmada dam banta... or modi kab ka pressure mai aa ke resign kar chuka hota... ye kaisa concept hai ki modi media ke pressure mai action to le leta hai but resign nahi karta...

Ex-MP bhi insaan hi hai, superman to nahi hai... riots ke time mai jab, sab logon ke sur pe khoor sawar hai, or curfew jaisi halat hai... aise mai to ghar pe baithna hi samajhdari hai (chahe vo Ex-MP hindu ho ya muslim)... superhero ban ke public ko provoke karega to or kya ho sakta hai... jo hua vo theek to nahi hua but agar aise mahool main vo apne ghar mai ander hota to jayada safe hota... or agar itna hi patience sab mai hota to na riots hote... or na bechara Ex-MP mara jata...

Bhai maine police ye nahi kahan ki police inefficient hai... maine kaha hai ki vo bhi insaan hain... unke bhi bacche hain.. or unko bhi marne se darr lagta hai... mere family and relatives mai kafi log police mai hain... ek unkle hain crime branch mai. thode senior hain... unki batai hui baat batata hu... ek bar unki team ko order mila tha...delhi ke ek kafi naami criminal ko uthane ka... unki sari team ko ye bhai pata tha ki vo criminal kis time pe, kitne logo ke saath, kahan aane wala hai... ek restro se uthana tha usko... sari team ko ye bhi pata tha ki uske pass kounse weapons hain or kitni ammunition hai... un unkle ki team ka ek inspector us goone ki table pe baith kar wapas aa gaya or bola sir kisi or ko bol do ye karne ke liye mai nahi kar sakta... to bhai mere kehne ka taatpariye ye hai ki support sher nahi banati... situation sher banati hai... i hero ka 50 criminals ko peetna sirf movies mai hi chalta hai... ground reality kuch or hi hoti hai... vo bhi ek situation thi ki kuch logo ne mil kar 80 log jinda jala diye... wahan ve sher ban gaye... or ye bhi ek situation thi ki fir logo ne mil kar, sher ban kar... kuch or log mar/jala diye... (kiya to dono ne galat... but sher kisi neta ki support ke karan nahi bane... sher bane to situation ke karan...) or jab police sher ban gai tab dono kism ke log aaram se baith gaye...

rekhasmriti

June 24th, 2012, 06:21 PM

Jaswant Singh - no way

I would still vote for Modi

Economy wali baat pe pehle hi bata chuka hun ki kai states Guj se aage hain. Same for health and social indicators.

Aur beech mein Punjab or Haryana kahan se aa gaye?

Baki, appka question "Ki agar Modi nahin to kaun?" valid hai. I like BJP as a party more than Congress jo ki sirf chamchagiri jante hain. If BJP comes to power they have a plethora of leaders to choose from. I think Jaswant Singh is a good enough guy. True aap keh sakte hain ki Mdi is a better leader, adminstrator etc. But Jaswant Singh isnt communal. He doesnt run away from interviews when asked about controversial topics. And he will have the honor of resigning if something like Godhra and Guj riots happened under his watch.

rekhasmriti

June 24th, 2012, 06:22 PM

shayad Sushma Swaraj bhi-

but jassoo toh bilkul nahi

Jaswant Singh - no way

I would still vote for Modi

rekhasmriti

June 24th, 2012, 06:32 PM

ur facts make valid points here

but phir ek some poice officer - koi Bhatt kar ke -
how come he has accused Modi for nothing

was that just some publicity stunt

but whatever- the things u have said
thnx for sharing as i was not aware of them

all i was aware of the tragic stories of inhuman killing of muslims by hindus

my brother said once to me regarding same " tu itni emotional ho rahi hai ki humne muslims ko mara- unki gals ko insult kiya ---- but think agar wahan par muslim population zyada hoti- toh kya woh humei chod dete- humari ladkiyon ki aarti utarte-
I m not justifying what we have done was right- but simple logic hai- gussa tha n hum majority mei the- mumbai ke kitne riots me sabse zyada hindus ke aisee taisee huyee hai-
tab tu emotional nahi huyee------this time isse media ne hype kiya n muslims are in so called minority isliye tu unke sath hai
it was all act of anger - we being hindu do not hate muslims- but if soembody would be a threat to Hinduism- plz do not expect us to stay quite

jab bhi riots hote hai-----innocent marte hi hai-

not just us- but dono ko yeh samajhna chahiye

( i know he is kattar hindu - forget muslims he has even facts to prove christians are threat to us as well )

Aisa kya different tha 2002 mai??? Jo us time ke news reader the ek saal baad sabne aaj apne news chennal ki dukan khol li hai... kahan se aaya itna paisa??? tab se hi to kama ruhe hongae??? humare saamne aaj aa ruha hai... 1965 or 71 mai to itne news chennal nahi the... desh to tab bhi ek saath khada tha... media ko credit kahan se chla gaya desh ko joodne ka??? or media ke kuch constructive acts (pata nahi koun se???) and unke sare distructive acts pe parda dal sakta hai... but kisi state ki 10 saal ki growth se wahan se 6 din ke riots ko nahi bhulaya ja sakta... vo bhi jisme common log hi culprit the or common log hi victim... badhiya vichar hain... but bhai itna negative hona accha nahi hota...

Bhai maine kya padha hai or kya nahi is par aap kaise comment kar sakte ho... maine pehle bhi kahan hai... aap apni raye kuch jayada jaldi bana lete ho... thoda time lagaya karo.. do-chao alag angle se socha karo fir raye banaya karo kisi ke bare mai... maine gulberg society ke bare mai padha bhi hai or dekha bhi hai... 2002 mai gulberg mai riot huae... ek bar in sawalo ke jawab likh dekha (as aapne kafi detail mai padha hoga... or aap ko sara ghatna karam bhi yaad hoga...)
1). riot to 2002 mai huae but jakia jafri ne first time modi ke aarop kab lagaya???
2). modi pe aarop lagane se pehle alag-alag investigation teams ne kitni bar jaika jafri ka statement liya tha???
3). jakia jafri ne ab tak kitni bar statement change kiya hai???
4). jakia jafri ko modi pe aarop lagane mai itna time kyon lag gaya???
5). CM office ke records main ehsaan jafri ki dialed ya incomming call record kyon nahi mila? mr jafri ke phone record mai bhi wahan ke local logo ke hi no mile (incomming and out going)??? ehsaan jafri telepathy se baat kar ruha tha kya modi se, jo ki baat bhi kar li or kahin koi record bhi nahi hai???
6). kuch or bhi hai... but pehle bhai inke hi jawab de do....

Bhai provoke karne ke liye age certificate ki jarurat hoti hai kya??? jo ye bol ruhe ho ki 70 saal ka aadmi kya provoke karega... mere dada ji 85 saal ke hain... teen din pehle mere dada ne mere chaha ke ladke ko provoke kar ke ek bechara rikhsha wala bihar pitwa diya... bhai provoke to koi bhai kar sakta hai... bas bolna hi to hai...

Police Commissioner ka office 2 kilometre to kya agar gulberg society mai bhi hota... to 4500 log jinke pass hathyar hain, unke saamne Police Comm. kya karta... Again Vo bhi insaan hai Superman nahi hai bhai... or kitni baar bolu???... or agar vo police Comm wahin pe kafi sari force lagwa deta to kahin or jayada log mare jate... resources to limited hi hain jaisa ki maine pehle bola...

Bhai punjab ne 80 mai jo dekha vo terrorism tha... usko aap north east ke nexals se ya kashmir ke terrorism se to cmpare kar sakte ho but 10-15 din ke riots ke saath compare karna theek nahi hai... ek mai cold blodded killers hain jo plan kar ke logo ko marte hain/maarte the... or doosri taraf provoked logo ke gusse ka eruption hai...

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 08:46 PM

rekha ji, vo police officer hai sanjiv bhatt... or khud uske upar case chal ruha hai.. court mai forged proofs submit karne ka and false witness se court mai statements dilwane ka... us bhai ka kehna hai ki modi ne bola tha ki logo ka gussa nikalne do or jo log muslims ko maar ruhe hain unko maarne do... or vo ye bhi kehta hai ki vo us meeting mai present tha jahan(CM House mai) modi ne aisa order diya... ye sari controversy create karne ke picche uska kya maksad hai vo to mugjhe pata nahi... but isme kuch point gaur karne layak hain...
1). Sanjiv Bhatt ke seniors or uska driver refuse kar chuke hain uski presence... Sanjiv Bhatt ke cell phone ke records bhi yahi batate hain ki vo meeting ke time modi ke ghar ke aas-pass bhi nahi tha. Or na hi uski entry CM House ki Entry-Exit log book mai hai... Us bhai ka pehla jhoot...
2). 2002 mai riot hue or uske 8 saal ke baad, Bhatt Saab ne apni statement di media ke saamne!!! itne sensitive issue ko lekar itne din tak us bhai ne apni desh-bhakti ki bhavana ko pata nahi kahan sula rukha tha... uo achanak 7-8 saal ke baad ubhar aai...
3). Aap ko kya lagta hai koi bhi officers (Sanjiv Bhatt or saath mai uske bahot sare senior, including Police Comm.) is type ke order verbal lega ya written mai??? or verbal ya written jo bhi ho... uske proper records hote hongae ya nahi???
4). Or chlo maan bhi lo ki Modi ne aisa order diya bhi hai... tab agar Modi pe case banta hai or saza milti hai to mere hisaab se modi ko jitni saza mile us-se jayada us Sanjiv Bhatt ko saza milni chahiye... jisne aise dushkram mai modi ki baat maan kar, uska saath diya or itne dino tak aise sensitive issue ko daba kar rukhne ke liye... taki future mai koi or senior officer kisi neta ke pressure mai aa kar koi aisa galat kaam na kare...
5). Ab sawal uthta hai vo aise aarop Modi pe kyon laga ruha hai... Kuch bhi ho sakta hai... chahe jo marji stutation mai Sanjiv Bhatt ko fir kar ke dekh lo... Sab ke do type ke hi result nikalte hain... (Result 1 : Modi=Clean, Sanjiv Bhatt=Guilty and Result 2 : Modi=Guilty, Sanjiv Bhatt=Guilty)
Case A : modi ne aisa order nahi diya, sanjiv bhatt (was absent/present in meeting) accused him. (for misguiding the court)
Case B : modi ne order diya, sanjiv bhatt (was absent/present in meeting) accused him. (for not concelaing the facts to the court for 8 years, and participating in the ill motives of modi)
Case C : Modi ne jo bhi order diya ho, Sanjiv Bhatt (absent) accused him : (again misguiding the court and submitting the false documents to the court)
Case D : Modi gave order, Sanjiv Bhatt asked for favour in terms of money or promotion, and kept quite for 7-8 years... Then, later Modi refused to give any money or promotions. For revenge Bhatt revealed everything. (Again he is culprit)

Ab ek baat batao rekha ji... mai us insaan ki baat kaise maan lo jo har situation mai galat hai... kisi bhi insaan ko us Sanjiv Bhatt ki intentions pe shaq hoga...

or ruhi baat sirf muslims ki tragic stories hi dekhne ki to aap to bad wahi dekhoge na jo aapko dikhaya jayega... or public ko dikhaya wahi jayega jiska media ko paisa milega!!! aap news pe last 1-1.5 month se President ko lekar darama dekh ruhe hogae... us cheez ko lekar itna bada drama khada kar diya ki kisi ne ab tak ye Sawaal nahi pooch ki hum apni is President Mrs. Partiba Patil ko re-elect kyon nahi kar sakte. Agar vo suitable candidate hai to!!! or agar nahi hai to last term mai kaise ban gai??? or vo agar suitable candidate nahi thi to usko president bana-ne walo ko kya saza mile... khair choodo ye ek alag topic hai... hum to modi ki baat kar ruhe hain...

Rekha ji... koi kisi ke liye threat nahi hai... hum khud hi apne liye threat hain... Pehle to hume bachpan se ye nahi sikhaya jata ki hum kya hain or humara culture kya hai... fir baad mai baccho ko galat kaam karne par saza de dete hain... jis system ko education system bolte hain... or career development pe jayada focused hai, character development pe kam... yahan pe padha likha insaan jayada galat kaam karta hai or anpad kam... or secularism ka jhanda to kuch logon ne aise utnaha hua hai ki thode din mai ye naubat aa jayegi ki.. log mandir jane se darangae, ki kahin koi usko communal na bol de... ek taraf salman khursheed khulle aam muslim bhaio ke liye sub-quota ki demand karta hai to vo fir bhi secular hai... or main agar kahin gujarat ki development ka example bhi de du to log mugjhe communal declare kar dangae... abhi do din pehle hi nitish kumar ne modi ko communal bol kar khud ko secular sabit kar diya... ideology ka majak bana rukha hai...

waise or logon ka to pata nahi.. but agar modi communal hota to main usko kabhi support nahi karta... but baki logon ke liye main koi comment nahi karounga... agar salman khursheed apni race/religion ke bare mai soch kar bhi secular hai to fir baki log agar modi ko pro-hindutava hone par support karte hain to isme bhi kuch galat nahi hai...

ur facts make valid points here

but phir ek some poice officer - koi Bhatt kar ke -
how come he has accused Modi for nothing

was that just some publicity stunt

but whatever- the things u have said
thnx for sharing as i was not aware of them

all i was aware of the tragic stories of inhuman killing of muslims by hindus

my brother said once to me regarding same " tu itni emotional ho rahi hai ki humne muslims ko mara- unki gals ko insult kiya ---- but think agar wahan par muslim population zyada hoti- toh kya woh humei chod dete- humari ladkiyon ki aarti utarte-
I m not justifying what we have done was right- but simple logic hai- gussa tha n hum majority mei the- mumbai ke kitne riots me sabse zyada hindus ke aisee taisee huyee hai-
tab tu emotional nahi huyee------this time isse media ne hype kiya n muslims are in so called minority isliye tu unke sath hai
it was all act of anger - we being hindu do not hate muslims- but if soembody would be a threat to Hinduism- plz do not expect us to stay quite

jab bhi riots hote hai-----innocent marte hi hai-

not just us- but dono ko yeh samajhna chahiye

( i know he is kattar hindu - forget muslims he has even facts to prove christians are threat to us as well )

cutejaatsandeep

June 24th, 2012, 09:36 PM

Bhai, there were planned attacks in which administration and police helped or abetted the mobs. Various indepdendent journalists, NGOs and witnesses have confirmed this. Aap Gujarat riots ke wiki page of padh le or uske neeche refrenced sources ko bhi. Aap ko kaafi kuch clear ho jayega. Here' an extract -

Now how can such level of state complicity be possible without the approval of Modi?

And do watch the documentary on the riots 'The Final Solution'.
bhai eek meri baat ka bhi jawab dee dee naa....mullla nee train kyo jalai?thats wat i wana know..wasnt that planned by katwas...

amankadian

June 24th, 2012, 09:55 PM

bhai eek meri baat ka bhi jawab dee dee naa....mullla nee train kyo jalai?thats wat i wana know..wasnt that planned by katwas...

hahahahah jab tuje yhi nhi pata ki ye sab hua kyun to is thread main kya kar rhe ho

Narender Modi:- Narender modi and Police act like as hilter with Gujarat muslim people . He disrespected some Muslim people at the front of media. Some bloody muslim want to take revenge thats why they messed with hindu.

Thats only big reason

sanjeev1984

June 24th, 2012, 10:48 PM

please bhai... mai ab aap ke comments se irritate hona suru ho gaya hu... ye itne baseless, faltu or vahiyat comments hote hain ki mugjhe digvijay singh ki yaad aa jati hai... or aapke comments padh kar ye reflect hota hai ki, aapne sirf is liye likhte ho ki kuch to likhna hi tha to ye likh diya...

kya hai ye "Narender modi and Police act like as hilter with Gujarat muslim people . He disrespected some Muslim people at the front of media. Some bloody muslim want to take revenge thats why they messed with hindu."... freedom of speech mere hisaab se, fundamental right kam hai but duty and responsibility jayada hai... ek amankadian, ek digvijay singh, ek lalu, ek rakhi sawant or ek india tv... kya bolte hain, bas ye khud hi samajh sakte hain... please bhai, spare us... healthy debate chal ruha hai... please don't spoil this...

hahahahah jab tuje yhi nhi pata ki ye sab hua kyun to is thread main kya kar rhe ho

Narender Modi:- Narender modi and Police act like as hilter with Gujarat muslim people . He disrespected some Muslim people at the front of media. Some bloody muslim want to take revenge thats why they messed with hindu.

Thats only big reason

rekhasmriti

June 25th, 2012, 01:00 AM

i have majority of friends who are communal types- main reason they give terrorism n all that

n i reply them "

" just becoz every terrorist happens to be muslim that does not mean every muslim is terrorist "

bhai eek meri baat ka bhi jawab dee dee naa....mullla nee train kyo jalai?thats wat i wana know..wasnt that planned by katwas...

rekhasmriti

June 25th, 2012, 01:04 AM

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

may be he has not said soemthing coz he was under pressure from CM or something like that

again that is just assumption of mine !

i kinda agree with whatever u said - as u have all the facts

actually i m confused what Modi did or what not ???????????????

but one thing sure-
agar woh galat hota toh- aaj gujarat yahan nahi hota

rekha ji, vo police officer hai sanjiv bhatt... or khud uske upar case chal ruha hai.. court mai forged proofs submit karne ka and false witness se court mai statements dilwane ka... us bhai ka kehna hai ki modi ne bola tha ki logo ka gussa nikalne do or jo log muslims ko maar ruhe hain unko maarne do... or vo ye bhi kehta hai ki vo us meeting mai present tha jahan(CM House mai) modi ne aisa order diya... ye sari controversy create karne ke picche uska kya maksad hai vo to mugjhe pata nahi... but isme kuch point gaur karne layak hain...
1). Sanjiv Bhatt ke seniors or uska driver refuse kar chuke hain uski presence... Sanjiv Bhatt ke cell phone ke records bhi yahi batate hain ki vo meeting ke time modi ke ghar ke aas-pass bhi nahi tha. Or na hi uski entry CM House ki Entry-Exit log book mai hai... Us bhai ka pehla jhoot...
2). 2002 mai riot hue or uske 8 saal ke baad, Bhatt Saab ne apni statement di media ke saamne!!! itne sensitive issue ko lekar itne din tak us bhai ne apni desh-bhakti ki bhavana ko pata nahi kahan sula rukha tha... uo achanak 7-8 saal ke baad ubhar aai...
3). Aap ko kya lagta hai koi bhi officers (Sanjiv Bhatt or saath mai uske bahot sare senior, including Police Comm.) is type ke order verbal lega ya written mai??? or verbal ya written jo bhi ho... uske proper records hote hongae ya nahi???
4). Or chlo maan bhi lo ki Modi ne aisa order diya bhi hai... tab agar Modi pe case banta hai or saza milti hai to mere hisaab se modi ko jitni saza mile us-se jayada us Sanjiv Bhatt ko saza milni chahiye... jisne aise dushkram mai modi ki baat maan kar, uska saath diya or itne dino tak aise sensitive issue ko daba kar rukhne ke liye... taki future mai koi or senior officer kisi neta ke pressure mai aa kar koi aisa galat kaam na kare...
5). Ab sawal uthta hai vo aise aarop Modi pe kyon laga ruha hai... Kuch bhi ho sakta hai... chahe jo marji stutation mai Sanjiv Bhatt ko fir kar ke dekh lo... Sab ke do type ke hi result nikalte hain... (Result 1 : Modi=Clean, Sanjiv Bhatt=Guilty and Result 2 : Modi=Guilty, Sanjiv Bhatt=Guilty)
Case A : modi ne aisa order nahi diya, sanjiv bhatt (was absent/present in meeting) accused him. (for misguiding the court)
Case B : modi ne order diya, sanjiv bhatt (was absent/present in meeting) accused him. (for not concelaing the facts to the court for 8 years, and participating in the ill motives of modi)
Case C : Modi ne jo bhi order diya ho, Sanjiv Bhatt (absent) accused him : (again misguiding the court and submitting the false documents to the court)
Case D : Modi gave order, Sanjiv Bhatt asked for favour in terms of money or promotion, and kept quite for 7-8 years... Then, later Modi refused to give any money or promotions. For revenge Bhatt revealed everything. (Again he is culprit)

Ab ek baat batao rekha ji... mai us insaan ki baat kaise maan lo jo har situation mai galat hai... kisi bhi insaan ko us Sanjiv Bhatt ki intentions pe shaq hoga...

or ruhi baat sirf muslims ki tragic stories hi dekhne ki to aap to bad wahi dekhoge na jo aapko dikhaya jayega... or public ko dikhaya wahi jayega jiska media ko paisa milega!!! aap news pe last 1-1.5 month se President ko lekar darama dekh ruhe hogae... us cheez ko lekar itna bada drama khada kar diya ki kisi ne ab tak ye Sawaal nahi pooch ki hum apni is President Mrs. Partiba Patil ko re-elect kyon nahi kar sakte. Agar vo suitable candidate hai to!!! or agar nahi hai to last term mai kaise ban gai??? or vo agar suitable candidate nahi thi to usko president bana-ne walo ko kya saza mile... khair choodo ye ek alag topic hai... hum to modi ki baat kar ruhe hain...

Rekha ji... koi kisi ke liye threat nahi hai... hum khud hi apne liye threat hain... Pehle to hume bachpan se ye nahi sikhaya jata ki hum kya hain or humara culture kya hai... fir baad mai baccho ko galat kaam karne par saza de dete hain... jis system ko education system bolte hain... or career development pe jayada focused hai, character development pe kam... yahan pe padha likha insaan jayada galat kaam karta hai or anpad kam... or secularism ka jhanda to kuch logon ne aise utnaha hua hai ki thode din mai ye naubat aa jayegi ki.. log mandir jane se darangae, ki kahin koi usko communal na bol de... ek taraf salman khursheed khulle aam muslim bhaio ke liye sub-quota ki demand karta hai to vo fir bhi secular hai... or main agar kahin gujarat ki development ka example bhi de du to log mugjhe communal declare kar dangae... abhi do din pehle hi nitish kumar ne modi ko communal bol kar khud ko secular sabit kar diya... ideology ka majak bana rukha hai...

waise or logon ka to pata nahi.. but agar modi communal hota to main usko kabhi support nahi karta... but baki logon ke liye main koi comment nahi karounga... agar salman khursheed apni race/religion ke bare mai soch kar bhi secular hai to fir baki log agar modi ko pro-hindutava hone par support karte hain to isme bhi kuch galat nahi hai...

rekhasmriti

June 25th, 2012, 01:10 AM

even i can sense u being annoyed

out of curiosity-
how come u have got so much facts reagrding Modi n all
were u in gujarat at that time

plz yar yeh mat bolna- u r so Aware of everything- b'coz i haven't seen much of ur posts on any other topic

just Modi-------
r u a hard core fan of Modi?

admire mei bhi karti hoon usse -
specially when my brother told me about his personal life-

but hard core fan -----hmmmmm

plz bhai do not take it other wise - bas aisee ho poocha

itna sensitive koi tabhi ho sakta hai- jab usne yeh sab dekha ho

aur accused- uske sage wala ho

sorry agar mei zyada bol gayee hoo toh

please bhai... mai ab aap ke comments se irritate hona suru ho gaya hu... ye itne baseless, faltu or vahiyat comments hote hain ki mugjhe digvijay singh ki yaad aa jati hai... or aapke comments padh kar ye reflect hota hai ki, aapne sirf is liye likhte ho ki kuch to likhna hi tha to ye likh diya...

kya hai ye "Narender modi and Police act like as hilter with Gujarat muslim people . He disrespected some Muslim people at the front of media. Some bloody muslim want to take revenge thats why they messed with hindu."... freedom of speech mere hisaab se, fundamental right kam hai but duty and responsibility jayada hai... ek amankadian, ek digvijay singh, ek lalu, ek rakhi sawant or ek india tv... kya bolte hain, bas ye khud hi samajh sakte hain... please bhai, spare us... healthy debate chal ruha hai... please don't spoil this...

vikda

June 25th, 2012, 02:33 AM

Sanjeev's posts make lot of sense whereas there are some others who are unnecessarily punishing their keyboards!!

navdeepkhatkar

June 25th, 2012, 11:20 AM

[QUOTE=amankadian;308916

Narender Modi:- Narender modi and Police act like as hilter with Gujarat muslim people . He disrespected some Muslim people at the front of media. Some bloody muslim want to take revenge thats why they messed with hindu.

Thats only big reason[/QUOTE]

Dekh bhaii Aman ....... bhaut ho li terio bakwas ..... tere reply h wahiyat ....
abhi tak tu baat kar raha tah ki hinduoon ne ye kiya wo kiya .. itne musal maan mare .... or and band ...

ab aapne jo reason diya h .... for killing so many hindus .. wo us se bhi wahiyaat h ....
isk amatlab ye h ki koi kisi ki indult kare to uski community par planned attack kar do .....

or agar dusri community us planned attack ka reply kare to .. aap Modi ko communal kaho ..... hats off to u man ...

navdeepkhatkar

June 25th, 2012, 11:22 AM

Sanjeev's posts make lot of sense whereas there are some others who are unnecessarily punishing their keyboards!!

Bilkul sahi baat dahiya saab .... Kai jane to aade sookha Thook bilon laag rahe h ..... for the sake of posting ... they are posting anything ... :)

sanjeev1984

June 25th, 2012, 12:39 PM

rekha ji as i already said... in any case we will end up at only two results which are (Result 1 : Modi=Clean, Sanjiv Bhatt=Guilty and Result 2 : Modi=Guilty, Sanjiv Bhatt=Guilty)

agar modi ke pressure mai aa kar Sanjiv Bhatt ne pehle 7-8 saal kuch nahi bola... or ab usme desh-bhakti jaag uthi hai...

pehli baat to ye hai ki agar vo kisi communal neta ke pressure se chup ruha to galat kiya... koi IPS agar kisi neta ke pressure main chup reh kar, koi galat kaam me saath deta hai to.. mere hisaab se.. us neta pe peace and harmony spoil karne ka charge lagana chahiye or us IPS officer ke upar sediction ka charge laga kar... fasi deni chahiye...

or pressure ab kahan chla gaya??? tab to modi sirf ek CM tha... uske favour mai sirf gujarati log the... centre against tha, media against tha, gujarat ke bahar ki public against thi, kisi court se koi clean chit nahi mili thi, tab to modi development ke naam pe bhi logo ko apne favour mai nahi kar sakta tha(as 2002 tak kuch significant nahi kar paya tha, thoda time hua tha CM bane huae)... modi ki poole kholne ke liye vo sahi time tha ya uske 7-8 saal baad... jab modi or jaya strong ho gaya, gujarat ke bahar bhi log appriciate karne lage, usko PM candidate ka option samajhne lage... tab to mere hisaab se pressure or jayada hona chhiye tha... but Sanjiv Bhatt ne tab hi courage dikhai...

Or ye wahi Sanjiv Bhatt hai jo ek bar Times Channel pe interview dene gaya tha... Anchor ne ek sawaal poocha "Aap yahan ek Congress ke ek leader ka cell or car le kar aaye ho???" (waise to koi kisi ki bhai gadi mai ja sakta hai, but cell phone!!!) Bhatt saab ke pass pehle to jawab nahi tha fir bola "mai ye better communication ke liye laya hu"... He he he he.. Better communication ke liye cell fone, vo bhi kisi opposition party ke leader ka, or TV pe interview dete time. Dont you find something fishy in this??? Any way...

Rekha ji confuse hone ki jarurat nahi hai... modi ne 2002 mai jo bhi kiya ho, uske liye Supreme Court ne SIT appoint kar rukhi hai, investigale karne ke liye... And we have Supreme Court for judging his acts, we are no one to judge... Let Supreme Court do its job...

Or Mai Modi ko uske pro hindu hone ya development ke liye appriciate nahi karta... Mai use appriciate karta hu Judicial System ko respect de kar, sab investigations ke liye co-operate karne ke liye... And that is how we should see it...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

may be he has not said soemthing coz he was under pressure from CM or something like that

again that is just assumption of mine !

i kinda agree with whatever u said - as u have all the facts

actually i m confused what Modi did or what not ???????????????

but one thing sure-
agar woh galat hota toh- aaj gujarat yahan nahi hota

rekhasmriti

June 25th, 2012, 12:51 PM

hahahhahahaahah

well n that category includes ?????????????????????//

Bilkul sahi baat dahiya saab .... Kai jane to aade sookha Thook bilon laag rahe h ..... for the sake of posting ... they are posting anything ... :)

navdeepkhatkar

June 25th, 2012, 02:43 PM

hahahhahahaahah

well n that category includes ?????????????????????//

:):):) kyu baar baar naam likhvaoo ho .. Refer my earlier posts :):)

sanjeev1984

June 25th, 2012, 02:59 PM

:)

rekha ji... dont feel sorry for anything... aapne koi galat sawal nahi poocha...

mai 2002 mai to wahan nahi tha bhut 2004 mai jab mera campus placement hua L&T mai, to mugjhe wahan jane ka chance mila... wahan riots huae the, plague faila tha, earthquake aaya tha or floods to aate hi rehte hain... meri sari family mere wahan jane se against thi... but i want to experience a hostel life, away from family... gujarat ke liye mugjhe negative feeling jayada thi positive kam thi...

modi mera koi saga nahi hai, ki koi usko accuse karega to mugjhe problem hogi... mugjhe to tab bhi problem hoti hai jab log biased tarike se humare Khap System ko ulta seedha bolte hain... or tab bhi problem hoti hai jab kuch talibani log afganistan ke ek school ke khane/pani mai zehar mila kar 100 se jayada ladkiyon or teachers ko maar dete hain... mugjhe to tab bhi problem hoti hai jab UN mai india ka videsh mantri kisi doosre desh ki speech padh deta hai... or mugjhe to tab bhi problem hoti hai jab BJP ke bhai log, Inflation ke against bharat bandh karte hain, jis se common man hi harrass hota hai (though i support BJP too) .... or mugjhe to tab bhi problem hoti hai, jab 1984 and uske alawa or bahot sare riots ki baat karte hi congress muh fer leti hai... mai agar baki topic pe nahi likha to iska matlab ye to nahi ki mai or kisi issue ke bare mai aware nahi hu... :)

rekha ji mai fir se bolta hu, hum democratic log hai... or democracy mai criticism to accha hai but allegation theek nahi hai... 2002 main ya to mera ek bhi saga nahi mara tha... ya fir jitne bhi log mare the... chahe train mai, chahe riots mai ya fir police firing mai... sab mere sage the...

India ko modi ki jarurat hai. or ye hume maan lena chahiye... Aaj india mai youth population kafi jayada hai... bahot sare log, kafi hardwork kar ruhe hain or kama ruhe hain... but fir bhi india ki collaborative growth bahot kam hai, infact population ke hisaab se kafi kam hai... india ko ek aise leader ki jarurat hai jo itne sare youth ke budda (old) hone se pehle, India ke youth human resources ko efficiently manage kare, busy rukhe, kaam generate kar sake... or india ke resources ko itna conserve kar sake ki, jab ye youth budda ho jaye (jab khane wale muh jayada ho or kamane wale haath kam) to us time pe bhi india selfdependent reh kar sustain kar sake... or tab amir khan ye uska beta, satayamev jayate ke ek episode mai "Behaviour with Seinor Citizens" ke topic pe lecture de ruhe hongae... agar ye congress and media (divert and divide theory ko lekar) aise hi lage ruhe to aane wala time India ke liye bahot mushkil bhara ho sakta hai.. jiski strating waise to abhi ho chuki hai...

Modi ko agar koi fasi pe chada bhi de to koi farak nahi padega... But truth is that, at this point of time "Modi don't need India, India needs Modi"

even i can sense u being annoyed

out of curiosity-
how come u have got so much facts reagrding Modi n all
were u in gujarat at that time

plz yar yeh mat bolna- u r so Aware of everything- b'coz i haven't seen much of ur posts on any other topic

just Modi-------
r u a hard core fan of Modi?

admire mei bhi karti hoon usse -
specially when my brother told me about his personal life-

but hard core fan -----hmmmmm

plz bhai do not take it other wise - bas aisee ho poocha

itna sensitive koi tabhi ho sakta hai- jab usne yeh sab dekha ho

aur accused- uske sage wala ho

sorry agar mei zyada bol gayee hoo toh

cutejaatsandeep

June 25th, 2012, 07:01 PM

hahahahah jab tuje yhi nhi pata ki ye sab hua kyun to is thread main kya kar rhe ho

Narender Modi:- Narender modi and Police act like as hilter with Gujarat muslim people . He disrespected some Muslim people at the front of media. Some bloody muslim want to take revenge thats why they messed with hindu.

Thats only big reason
maaane niii beraaa to isi agent tu bataa dee:) taane to jaroor beraa hoga meree bhai....m sure tere bahut mullle dost hongee n teree se jarooor baat hui hogi train mai aag lagane se pehlee:)

narvir

June 25th, 2012, 09:58 PM

सब न राम राम,

थारी समझ में घाट आव स के ,
र क बर तो बता दी,मन्न कोणी बनना पर्धान मंत्री फेर क्यूँ खामखा काळ हो रे सो थम सारे !
रहण दयो इब पड़ जाओ एक ओड़ न ...........

amankadian

June 25th, 2012, 10:18 PM

maaane niii beraaa to isi agent tu bataa dee:) taane to jaroor beraa hoga meree bhai....m sure tere bahut mullle dost hongee n teree se jarooor baat hui hogi train mai aag lagane se pehlee:)

hahaha susara koi bano aapne ke khet main pani den awe hai hahahahaha............ak nhi sandeep bhai

ak sandeep tera koi hokka bharn aa jawe hai

rekhasmriti

June 27th, 2012, 06:32 AM

shayad----

ek state chalana n desh chalan
bahut difference hai

but shayad aap sahi hai

ek chnace toh banta hai

kuch na sudhara toh kya-

isse bura toh nahi karne wala
\

:)

rekha ji... dont feel sorry for anything... aapne koi galat sawal nahi poocha...

mai 2002 mai to wahan nahi tha bhut 2004 mai jab mera campus placement hua L&T mai, to mugjhe wahan jane ka chance mila... wahan riots huae the, plague faila tha, earthquake aaya tha or floods to aate hi rehte hain... meri sari family mere wahan jane se against thi... but i want to experience a hostel life, away from family... gujarat ke liye mugjhe negative feeling jayada thi positive kam thi...

modi mera koi saga nahi hai, ki koi usko accuse karega to mugjhe problem hogi... mugjhe to tab bhi problem hoti hai jab log biased tarike se humare Khap System ko ulta seedha bolte hain... or tab bhi problem hoti hai jab kuch talibani log afganistan ke ek school ke khane/pani mai zehar mila kar 100 se jayada ladkiyon or teachers ko maar dete hain... mugjhe to tab bhi problem hoti hai jab UN mai india ka videsh mantri kisi doosre desh ki speech padh deta hai... or mugjhe to tab bhi problem hoti hai jab BJP ke bhai log, Inflation ke against bharat bandh karte hain, jis se common man hi harrass hota hai (though i support BJP too) .... or mugjhe to tab bhi problem hoti hai, jab 1984 and uske alawa or bahot sare riots ki baat karte hi congress muh fer leti hai... mai agar baki topic pe nahi likha to iska matlab ye to nahi ki mai or kisi issue ke bare mai aware nahi hu... :)

rekha ji mai fir se bolta hu, hum democratic log hai... or democracy mai criticism to accha hai but allegation theek nahi hai... 2002 main ya to mera ek bhi saga nahi mara tha... ya fir jitne bhi log mare the... chahe train mai, chahe riots mai ya fir police firing mai... sab mere sage the...

India ko modi ki jarurat hai. or ye hume maan lena chahiye... Aaj india mai youth population kafi jayada hai... bahot sare log, kafi hardwork kar ruhe hain or kama ruhe hain... but fir bhi india ki collaborative growth bahot kam hai, infact population ke hisaab se kafi kam hai... india ko ek aise leader ki jarurat hai jo itne sare youth ke budda (old) hone se pehle, India ke youth human resources ko efficiently manage kare, busy rukhe, kaam generate kar sake... or india ke resources ko itna conserve kar sake ki, jab ye youth budda ho jaye (jab khane wale muh jayada ho or kamane wale haath kam) to us time pe bhi india selfdependent reh kar sustain kar sake... or tab amir khan ye uska beta, satayamev jayate ke ek episode mai "Behaviour with Seinor Citizens" ke topic pe lecture de ruhe hongae... agar ye congress and media (divert and divide theory ko lekar) aise hi lage ruhe to aane wala time India ke liye bahot mushkil bhara ho sakta hai.. jiski strating waise to abhi ho chuki hai...

Modi ko agar koi fasi pe chada bhi de to koi farak nahi padega... But truth is that, at this point of time "Modi don't need India, India needs Modi"

rekhasmriti

June 27th, 2012, 06:34 AM

yar muslim frnds hone se kya hota hai

i have few---hum jaise hi hote hai

but they don't booze at all- kuch bhi ho

maaane niii beraaa to isi agent tu bataa dee:) taane to jaroor beraa hoga meree bhai....m sure tere bahut mullle dost hongee n teree se jarooor baat hui hogi train mai aag lagane se pehlee:)

rekhasmriti

June 27th, 2012, 06:35 AM

??????????????????????????????

hahaha susara koi bano aapne ke khet main pani den awe hai hahahahaha............ak nhi sandeep bhai

ak sandeep tera koi hokka bharn aa jawe hai

SumitJattan

June 27th, 2012, 08:58 AM

yar muslim frnds hone se kya hota hai

i have few---hum jaise hi hote hai

but they don't booze at all- kuch bhi ho

Rekha ji ,

Dont attach liquor with religion ...... i am pasting some statistics from wikipedia showing some facts about middle east countries :-

Statistics provided by research group Euromonitor International reported a constant increase in the use of alcohol in several countries where the Muslim religion, which prohibits the use of any product capable of affecting behaviour (drugs included), is dominant. Quoting the survey, Le Monde reported that between 2005 and 2010 the average consumption by the French dropped from 104.2 litres of alcohol per year to 96.7, while in the same period in the Middle East and Africa area it increased by 25%, from 11.7 billion litres to 15.2 billion.

They allow liquor for tourists but the rise in tourism cant match the rise in the consuption of liquor ....... Generalization is really dangerous.

malikdeepak1

June 27th, 2012, 09:55 AM

but they don't booze at all- kuch bhi ho

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sanjeev1984

June 28th, 2012, 12:54 AM

:) fyi guys.... cheers............

http://dailypioneer.com/nation/76136-tussauds-to-send-modi-statue-to-us.html (http://dailypioneer.com/nation/76136-tussauds-to-send-modi-statue-to-us.html)

anilsangwan

June 28th, 2012, 05:28 AM

मोदी तो प्रधानमन्त्री बनान लायक आदमी स.... पर उसके गैल जो बीजेपी का गू गोबर स ( बाह्मण बानिये रीफुजी लीडर) .... उस ने कुण संग्वावेगा.... न्यू इ हरयाने में भजन लाल के छोरे गैल सगाई कर रे सें यह बी जे पी आले..... कोए सा एक दुसरे ने पार नहीं लगावे ....

rajpaldular

June 28th, 2012, 06:13 PM

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rajpaldular

June 28th, 2012, 06:26 PM

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s480x480/484480_439949536049177_1895241554_n.jpg

sanjeev1984

June 28th, 2012, 11:04 PM

for you my dear friends....

http://www.bhaskar.com/article/ABH-editorial-artical-chetan-bhagat-3455212.html

cheers...

swaich

June 30th, 2012, 02:22 PM

Aisa kya different tha 2002 mai??? Jo us time ke news reader the ek saal baad sabne aaj apne news chennal ki dukan khol li hai... kahan se aaya itna paisa??? tab se hi to kama ruhe hongae??? humare saamne aaj aa ruha hai... 1965 or 71 mai to itne news chennal nahi the... desh to tab bhi ek saath khada tha... media ko credit kahan se chla gaya desh ko joodne ka??? or media ke kuch constructive acts (pata nahi koun se???) and unke sare distructive acts pe parda dal sakta hai... but kisi state ki 10 saal ki growth se wahan se 6 din ke riots ko nahi bhulaya ja sakta... vo bhi jisme common log hi culprit the or common log hi victim... badhiya vichar hain... but bhai itna negative hona accha nahi hota...
To aap media ke role ko totally negative karar de rahein hai. Like everything in this word media has it black and white characters. And why I mentioned early 2000s is because in those days media wasnt infiltrated by corporates. Sir ji 1965 or 71 mein bhi media ka constructive role tha. The only difference was that it print media was private but tV media was state controlled. Anyways, this discussion on media's role is sideways to the main topic.

Bhai maine kya padha hai or kya nahi is par aap kaise comment kar sakte ho... maine pehle bhi kahan hai... aap apni raye kuch jayada jaldi bana lete ho... thoda time lagaya karo.. do-chao alag angle se socha karo fir raye banaya karo kisi ke bare mai... maine gulberg society ke bare mai padha bhi hai or dekha bhi hai... 2002 mai gulberg mai riot huae... ek bar in sawalo ke jawab likh dekha (as aapne kafi detail mai padha hoga... or aap ko sara ghatna karam bhi yaad hoga...)
1). riot to 2002 mai huae but jakia jafri ne first time modi ke aarop kab lagaya???
2). modi pe aarop lagane se pehle alag-alag investigation teams ne kitni bar jaika jafri ka statement liya tha???
3). jakia jafri ne ab tak kitni bar statement change kiya hai???
4). jakia jafri ko modi pe aarop lagane mai itna time kyon lag gaya???
5). CM office ke records main ehsaan jafri ki dialed ya incomming call record kyon nahi mila? mr jafri ke phone record mai bhi wahan ke local logo ke hi no mile (incomming and out going)??? ehsaan jafri telepathy se baat kar ruha tha kya modi se, jo ki baat bhi kar li or kahin koi record bhi nahi hai???
6). kuch or bhi hai... but pehle bhai inke hi jawab de do....
It isnt hard to delete records. Do you think it would have been the first time somebody in power would have deleted phone or official records? And you are doubting a frail 70 year old woman who has lost her husband. U

Bhai provoke karne ke liye age certificate ki jarurat hoti hai kya??? jo ye bol ruhe ho ki 70 saal ka aadmi kya provoke karega... mere dada ji 85 saal ke hain... teen din pehle mere dada ne mere chaha ke ladke ko provoke kar ke ek bechara rikhsha wala bihar pitwa diya... bhai provoke to koi bhai kar sakta hai... bas bolna hi to hai...
Har baat ko personal example de kar aap prove nahi kar sakte. When you are facing a blood thirsty mob of 1000 people, why would an old man provoke them? This is just an exuse to deflect blame.

Police Commissioner ka office 2 kilometre to kya agar gulberg society mai bhi hota... to 4500 log jinke pass hathyar hain, unke saamne Police Comm. kya karta... Again Vo bhi insaan hai Superman nahi hai bhai... or kitni baar bolu???... or agar vo police Comm wahin pe kafi sari force lagwa deta to kahin or jayada log mare jate... resources to limited hi hain jaisa ki maine pehle bola...
Waah ji ...kya baat hai. To iska matlab hai police apni responsibility chorh de. The police had firearms whereas the mob only had sticks, axes, swords etc. It would have taken a couple of shots in the air and the mob would have dissipated. But nothing was done because it was planned to let the mobs kill and take revenge on innocent people.

Bhai punjab ne 80 mai jo dekha vo terrorism tha... usko aap north east ke nexals se ya kashmir ke terrorism se to cmpare kar sakte ho but 10-15 din ke riots ke saath compare karna theek nahi hai... ek mai cold blodded killers hain jo plan kar ke logo ko marte hain/maarte the... or doosri taraf provoked logo ke gusse ka eruption hai...
You are right but the example was about police action when they have the power. In Guj's case the police were never given that power or worse asked to side beside and watch the show.

swaich

June 30th, 2012, 02:26 PM

bhai eek meri baat ka bhi jawab dee dee naa....mullla nee train kyo jalai?thats wat i wana know..wasnt that planned by katwas...

Bhai aap sahi ho. Muslim mobs killed Hindu kar sewaks. But, now read this carefully, that doesnt justify Hindu mobs killing Muslim innocents with police help. If it was a mob vs. mob, it would have been fair. But in this case police turned the other way. That is the difference between the two cases.

swaich

June 30th, 2012, 02:28 PM

malikdeepak1

June 30th, 2012, 03:13 PM

Correction. Retaliate with police and state help. That is where the problem lies. The govt. cant take sides in a riot but it did and that's where Modi is guilty.

Swaich जी ये पुलिस क्या होती है?? आप कही उनकी बात तो नहीं कर रहे जो रेहड़ी वाले को २ थप्पड़ मार के ५०/१०० रूपये छीन लेते है?? या उनकी बात कर रहे है जो एक आम स्कूटर/मोटरसाइकिल वालो को बीच सड़क में रोक कर रिश्वत मांगते है?? और वो रिश्वत देने से मना करे तो "CAUGHT BY CHASE " लिख देते है फ़साने के लिए?? या उनकी जो चुंगी पर हर ट्रक को छोड़ने के लिए 10 रूपये लेते है और पर्ची भी नहीं देते?? ओहो कही आप उनकी बात तो नहीं कर रहे जो दहेज़ का केस बना कर दोनों taraf से पैसे ऐंठ-ते है?? कृपया मार्ग-दर्शन करे! :)

swaich

June 30th, 2012, 03:40 PM

Swaich जी ये पुलिस क्या होती है?? आप कही उनकी बात तो नहीं कर रहे जो रेहड़ी वाले को २ थप्पड़ मार के ५०/१०० रूपये छीन लेते है?? या उनकी बात कर रहे है जो एक आम स्कूटर/मोटरसाइकिल वालो को बीच सड़क में रोक कर रिश्वत मांगते है?? और वो रिश्वत देने से मना करे तो "CAUGHT BY CHASE " लिख देते है फ़साने के लिए?? या उनकी जो चुंगी पर हर ट्रक को छोड़ने के लिए 10 रूपये लेते है और पर्ची भी नहीं देते?? ओहो कही आप उनकी बात तो नहीं कर रहे जो दहेज़ का केस बना कर दोनों taraf से पैसे ऐंठ-ते है?? कृपया मार्ग-दर्शन करे! :)

Exactly. Wohi police jo apne likha wo sab karti hai. Fake encounter bh karti hai. Custody killing bhi karti hai. Same police.

rajpaldular

June 30th, 2012, 05:02 PM

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sanjeev1984

June 30th, 2012, 10:58 PM

@ media : Absolutely... I dont trust them at all. have a look at it "http://www.mediacrooks.com/". I dont know who is after this. He is doing a significant work. Please don't confuse with electronic or printed. You can trust them and follow them blindly brother, but i cant. And i am sorry for that. Aaj bhi war ho jaye or media na ho, tab bhi sab log gun utha langae, india ke liye... Unka jitna constructive role hain us-se kahin jayada distructive role hai... Reporter/Journalist ka kaam sirf news dena hota hai, usko khud hi sahi or galat declare karne ka nahi hota... agar vo sahi or galat ka decision lene lage to... vo biased ho jayangae or courts ki bhi jarurat nahi ruhegi... justice or result to media hi declare karne lag jayegi... Ab aap mugjhe ek news dikha do ki media news report karne ke baad apne views nahi deti... which ultimately impose their perception on the viewers and ultimately influence them to form an opinion, which media wants...

@Jakia jafri : Bhai.. Jakia jafri wale questions ka answer theek nahi mila... try again... Waise agar records delete hi ho gaye the... to case karne ke liye kahan se paida ho gaye...

@ provoke : Bhai, example galat ho to batao... kya humein kisi ko provoke karne ke liye age certificate ki jarurat hai kya? or ruhi baat, "why would an old man provoke a mob?" iska jawab ya to aap de sakte ho ya jakia jafri ya media...
Waise SIT said that they took statements of many ppl (45000 witnesses (many would be related to gulberg massacre) for 2002 riots, what in intensive investigation) and found that Mr. Jafri provoked the mob and there was no involvement of Mr. Modi in that incident. I dont know about you but i respect Judicial System of India.

@ Police action : brother few days back you have quoted something from a wikipedia page, may be you missed something putting here for your information... "Preventive arrests of 17,947 Hindus and 3,616 Muslims were made. In total 27,901 Hindus and 7,651 Muslims were arrested." Or ye itne arrests police ne apne firearms use kar ke hi kar hain, unhone red roses de kar rioters ko nahi pakda tha... If sill you are not able to sense the police action than I am sorry about your senses. I suggest you to visit a doc. I already said try tried their best but failed at some places. Jiasa ki maine pehle bhi mila hai ki police wale bhi normal insaan hai... superman nahi hain... how many times you have scored 100% in your academics...

@ Police power example : Not agree... how the hell terrorism can be compared with riots even to show the power of police? one involves intelligence, preparation, planning, strategy, equipment, time... and later happens all of a sudden just because of a small incident... mugjhe to police ki power jab dikhti hai jab ye dekhta hu ki gujarat mai 2002 ke baat riots nahi huae hain... aapko pata nahi kyon nahi dikhti...

over all... bhai debate karne ka ye tarika hota hai ki, kisi issue ke ek point ke discuss karo conclusion pe pahuncho or next point pe badh jao... next ko discuss karo... or us se next pe chle jao... mai modi or police ke unbiased action ke example bhi de du or uske baad bhi aap.. karan thaper ke tarike se aade raho to ye to "bhains ke aage been bajane wali baat ho gai"...

thoda accept karo bato ko... sahi cheez ko maan lene mai kya burai hai...

haan bhai saab ek baat or koi naya point ho to uthao... media ki honesty,jakia jafri ke doubts, ehansan jafri ka age certificate, police ke action, police ki power ke bare mai to to bahot baat ho gai hai... aapko convince karna, agree karna ya consent mai lena sirf mere points pe bhi to depend karta.. ye to sab se jayada is baat pe depend karta hai ki aap agree hona chante ho ya nahi...

To aap media ke role ko totally negative karar de rahein hai. Like everything in this word media has it black and white characters. And why I mentioned early 2000s is because in those days media wasnt infiltrated by corporates. Sir ji 1965 or 71 mein bhi media ka constructive role tha. The only difference was that it print media was private but tV media was state controlled. Anyways, this discussion on media's role is sideways to the main topic.

It isnt hard to delete records. Do you think it would have been the first time somebody in power would have deleted phone or official records? And you are doubting a frail 70 year old woman who has lost her husband.

Har baat ko personal example de kar aap prove nahi kar sakte. When you are facing a blood thirsty mob of 1000 people, why would an old man provoke them? This is just an exuse to deflect blame.

Waah ji ...kya baat hai. To iska matlab hai police apni responsibility chorh de. The police had firearms whereas the mob only had sticks, axes, swords etc. It would have taken a couple of shots in the air and the mob would have dissipated. But nothing was done because it was planned to let the mobs kill and take revenge on innocent people.

You are right but the example was about police action when they have the power. In Guj's case the police were never given that power or worse asked to side beside and watch the show.

cutejaatsandeep

June 30th, 2012, 11:02 PM

Bhai aap sahi ho. Muslim mobs killed Hindu kar sewaks. But, now read this carefully, that doesnt justify Hindu mobs killing Muslim innocents with police help. If it was a mob vs. mob, it would have been fair. But in this case police turned the other way. That is the difference between the two cases.
bro last month there was a riot in kosi kalan mathura between jats and muslims...it was mob vs mob but muslims were beaten like anything.....soo they called the cops..y?bravery kaha gaye thi unki?

cutejaatsandeep

June 30th, 2012, 11:04 PM

yar muslim frnds hone se kya hota hai

i have few---hum jaise hi hote hai

but they don't booze at all- kuch bhi ho
who said they dont booze?come n c me i'll show u how much they booze

amankadian

July 1st, 2012, 12:33 AM

yar muslim frnds hone se kya hota hai

i have few---hum jaise hi hote hai

but they don't booze at all- kuch bhi ho

Booze ??????????????

What do you think about alcoholic beverage ? Kiddo you'r thinking is so sick about it. it does not mean if someone drink he is bad person. is it ?

rekhasmriti

July 1st, 2012, 06:24 AM

hey ram g

first again-----i m not a kid -----trust i have all the legal rights to vote-booze-fag---n do any kinda jazz

2nd----again u misunderstood me-

i don't mind people boozing------personal choice-
i don't----my friends do ----so for me its fine yar

yar meine woh sab apne kuch muslim frnds ke context mei kaha tha---coz in islam booze is prohibited----

i don't do it--- personal choice

they don't do it----religious sentiments

i guess--- now i have made myself quite clear sir g-----

Booze ??????????????

What do you think about alcoholic beverage ? Kiddo you'r thinking is so sick about it. it does not mean if someone drink he is bad person. is it ?

rekhasmriti

July 1st, 2012, 06:27 AM

" you'r thinking is so sick "

my thinking could be:
rigid
may be illogical
or logical
extreme emotional
conservative
or may be too modern

but yar ----itna toh please trust-----SICKkkkkkkkkkkkk
nahi ho sakti :(

Booze ??????????????

What do you think about alcoholic beverage ? Kiddo you'r thinking is so sick about it. it does not mean if someone drink he is bad person. is it ?

rekhasmriti

July 1st, 2012, 06:29 AM

aise mei kitne surds dikha doon----joh chain smokers hai ( i believe u know in surds smoking is prohibited)

ab 1000 mei 5 smoke karte honge ----toh yar mei uske basis par Judgement---pass kar doo

apko lagta hai--fair hai

nahi yar ----nahi hai

who said they dont booze?come n c me i'll show u how much they booze

Samarkadian

July 1st, 2012, 10:27 AM

hey ram g

first again-----i m not a kid -----trust i have all the legal rights to vote-booze-fag---n do any kinda jazz

2nd----again u misunderstood me-

i don't mind people boozing------personal choice-
i don't----my friends do ----so for me its fine yar

yar meine woh sab apne kuch muslim frnds ke context mei kaha tha---coz in islam booze is prohibited----

i don't do it--- personal choice

they don't do it----religious sentiments

i guess--- now i have made myself quite clear sir g-----

Can you send me the 'thing' which you eat/inhale/drink/inject prior to post here.?

cutejaatsandeep

July 1st, 2012, 11:28 AM

hey ram g

first again-----i m not a kid -----trust i have all the legal rights to vote-booze-fag---n do any kinda jazz

2nd----again u misunderstood me-

i don't mind people boozing------personal choice-
i don't----my friends do ----so for me its fine yar

yar meine woh sab apne kuch muslim frnds ke context mei kaha tha---coz in islam booze is prohibited----

i don't do it--- personal choice

they don't do it----religious sentiments

i guess--- now i have made myself quite clear sir g-----
sorry to say but first gain some knowledge about religions and than u can talk about them....for your kind information no religion permits you to drink and consume tobacco...

swaich

July 1st, 2012, 09:08 PM

bro last month there was a riot in kosi kalan mathura between jats and muslims...it was mob vs mob but muslims were beaten like anything.....soo they called the cops..y?bravery kaha gaye thi unki?

Again, when did I say Muslims are brave warriors? Aap mera point samjhe nahin. Dubara try kijiye.

rekhasmriti

July 1st, 2012, 11:33 PM

hahahahahhah

thnx a lot being so supportive ( being sarcastic)

nyways---ab apke sarcasm ki aadat si ho gayee hai

moment i see ur name with some post--i knew

phir koi " Bhadak" wala comment pass kiya hoga

waise i m kinda curious---do u ever say nything--without being so sarcastic

look i m not blaming it

i kinda like it----aap kuch toh bahut hero honge---jo kissi ko bina comment mare nahi chodte

just views of some victim of ur pleasant compliments

hey---plz --- sorry ( xillion times)

Can you send me the 'thing' which you eat/inhale/drink/inject prior to post here.?

rekhasmriti

July 1st, 2012, 11:41 PM

Dear Sandeep,
I won't say i m some sort of scholar or like that

but trust me buddy--- i have enough knowlede of religions n cultures

" no religion permits you to drink and consume tobacco..."

ab tum yeh bata do --- kaun sa prohibit karta hai---agar tum meri knowledge ko challenge kar rahe ho

start with Hindu---jao padh lo--ghoom aao---kashi-mathura jahan bhiagar e

k bhi insan yeh keh de---booze/tobacco---prohibited hai--

n better cross check ur knowledge---kabhi bhi galti se ---ek true sardar ko smoke offer mar karna pata chal jayrga

thodi mushkil hai guru granth sahib--but hindi versionshayad mil jaye----bhaisab read it

n BOOZE------only n only ISLAM mei haram hai

agar koi christian dost hai toh poochna--during prayers---jo real wale church hote hai--what do they offer

bhaisab----WINE

Yar bewajah---senti kar diya------religion ke bare mei mat challenge kar---just t
o prove u r better tah me

bhai--tu hai-better---hoga--i don't care

request---pkissi doosre ke facts ko challenge kare ne pehle---thoda googel kar liya kar

i know u must be busy---but at least try

-----sorry yar, zyda bol gayee toh---but u kinda proviked me -----------

sorry to say but first gain some knowledge about religions and than u can talk about them....for your kind information no religion permits you to drink and consume tobacco...

sanjeev_balyan

July 1st, 2012, 11:44 PM

Can you send me the 'thing' which you eat/inhale/drink/inject prior to post here.?

would you also want to have a try of that 'thing'

this thread is detracted from Modi to booze / other intake options

Samarkadian

July 1st, 2012, 11:46 PM

would you also want to have a try of that 'thing'

this thread is detracted from Modi to booze / other intake options

Don't worry mate, as soon as I get that thing, we will smoke that together and will create xillion posts in a day.

MANOJMANDIYAI

July 1st, 2012, 11:59 PM

i totally agree with u.. to run country or govt anybody should have strong determination and high vision....

VivekGathwala

July 2nd, 2012, 12:06 AM

अपना घर बसा ल्यो न . देखे न देश का पि.एम बनान आल्ले

एक एक वोट ले रे होगे हान्ग्या चाले ह पि.एम बनान अपने बालक खिला ल्यो घरने

rekhasmriti

July 2nd, 2012, 04:44 AM

sorry i guess that won't be possible dear

as I have already got Patent for that so called " THING"

Don't worry mate, as soon as I get that thing, we will smoke that together and will create xillion posts in a day.

rekhasmriti

July 2nd, 2012, 04:47 AM

n i guess MOdi has that
charisma-vision- strong will-determination

so he does deserve a chance

i totally agree with u.. to run country or govt anybody should have strong determination and high vision....

malikdeepak1

July 2nd, 2012, 07:37 AM

Exactly. Wohi police jo apne likha wo sab karti hai. Fake encounter bh karti hai. Custody killing bhi karti hai. Same police.

अर्थात इस पुलिस को कोई भी पैसे दे कर, कभी भी अपने इशारों पे नचा सकता है!! पार्टी में खार खाया बैठा कोई नेता, या कोई बिजनसमैन जिसको जमीन न मिली हो, अथवा विपक्षी दल भी!
धन्यवाद मेरा संशय दूर करने के लिए! :)

akshaymalik84

July 2nd, 2012, 01:36 PM

Can you send me the 'thing' which you eat/inhale/drink/inject prior to post here.?

To Be more Precise.....As they say in Haryanvi language....

के खा क जामी थी !

rekhasmriti

July 3rd, 2012, 06:53 AM

???????????????????

couldn't get it?

To Be more Precise.....As they say in Haryanvi language....

के खा क जामी थी !

rekhasmriti

July 3rd, 2012, 06:55 AM

hahahahhahaahahah

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

now i got it-------

Thing---n jo apne kaha-
kissi aur bhai ne kuch aur kehna hai

To Be more Precise.....As they say in Haryanvi language....

के खा क जामी थी !

rekhasmriti

July 3rd, 2012, 06:57 AM

n to be more precise

whatever i have wrote---make complete sense

n in case some one would have such THING-----would only talk non-sense

jhootha hi agree kar diyo bhai------pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

To Be more Precise.....As they say in Haryanvi language....

के खा क जामी थी !

anilsangwan

July 3rd, 2012, 08:37 AM

अपना घर बसा ल्यो न . देखे न देश का पि.एम बनान आल्ले

एक एक वोट ले रे होगे हान्ग्या चाले ह पि.एम बनान अपने बालक खिला ल्यो घरने

हा हा हा हा हा हा हा........ बुआ आले रोग काट दिया ....!!

DrRajpalSingh

July 3rd, 2012, 09:31 AM

Sayad hum sabhi bhatak kar thread topic bhool gayai hein!!!

rajpaldular

July 4th, 2012, 02:10 PM

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swaich

July 7th, 2012, 09:19 AM

@ media : Absolutely... I dont trust them at all. have a look at it "http://www.mediacrooks.com/". I dont know who is after this. He is doing a significant work. Please don't confuse with electronic or printed. You can trust them and follow them blindly brother, but i cant. And i am sorry for that. Aaj bhi war ho jaye or media na ho, tab bhi sab log gun utha langae, india ke liye... Unka jitna constructive role hain us-se kahin jayada distructive role hai... Reporter/Journalist ka kaam sirf news dena hota hai, usko khud hi sahi or galat declare karne ka nahi hota... agar vo sahi or galat ka decision lene lage to... vo biased ho jayangae or courts ki bhi jarurat nahi ruhegi... justice or result to media hi declare karne lag jayegi... Ab aap mugjhe ek news dikha do ki media news report karne ke baad apne views nahi deti... which ultimately impose their perception on the viewers and ultimately influence them to form an opinion, which media wants...

One cant blindly paint all media as biased. I dont do that. But one has to pick and choose the contents that one wants to see.

And media has pundits too. These are experts who can pass their opinion on a news item. Many people, unlike me and you cannot make total sense of news items and they rely on these expereinced folks to guide them. And that is how the editorial pages of a newspaper were born. Every news paper, magazine and news chanel has a set of politics, sports and defence experts who voice their views on news. I am surprised you have a problem with that.

@Jakia jafri : Bhai.. Jakia jafri wale questions ka answer theek nahi mila... try again... Waise agar records delete hi ho gaye the... to case karne ke liye kahan se paida ho gaye...
Main kuch hi kahun, aapne mann na nahin aur Modi our police ko baizzat bari kar dena hai. This is a fundamental difference between me and you.

@ provoke : Bhai, example galat ho to batao... kya humein kisi ko provoke karne ke liye age certificate ki jarurat hai kya? or ruhi baat, "why would an old man provoke a mob?" iska jawab ya to aap de sakte ho ya jakia jafri ya media...
Waise SIT said that they took statements of many ppl (45000 witnesses (many would be related to gulberg massacre) for 2002 riots, what in intensive investigation) and found that Mr. Jafri provoked the mob and there was no involvement of Mr. Modi in that incident. I dont know about you but i respect Judicial System of India.
I doubt all systems of India. Executive, political and judicial.

@ Police action : brother few days back you have quoted something from a wikipedia page, may be you missed something putting here for your information... "Preventive arrests of 17,947 Hindus and 3,616 Muslims were made. In total 27,901 Hindus and 7,651 Muslims were arrested." Or ye itne arrests police ne apne firearms use kar ke hi kar hain, unhone red roses de kar rioters ko nahi pakda tha... If sill you are not able to sense the police action than I am sorry about your senses. I suggest you to visit a doc. I already said try tried their best but failed at some places. Jiasa ki maine pehle bhi mila hai ki police wale bhi normal insaan hai... superman nahi hain... how many times you have scored 100% in your academics...
The deaths and the witness statements tell a big enough story. Agar itne arrest hue to kayi jagah arest nahin bhi kiye gaye. Modi simply waited for mobs to take revenge and then took action.

@ Police power example : Not agree... how the hell terrorism can be compared with riots even to show the power of police? one involves intelligence, preparation, planning, strategy, equipment, time... and later happens all of a sudden just because of a small incident... mugjhe to police ki power jab dikhti hai jab ye dekhta hu ki gujarat mai 2002 ke baat riots nahi huae hain... aapko pata nahi kyon nahi dikhti...
When police watched a mo burn and kill people, that is the lack of power of will from police. Why do you think the Sachar committe has asked minority areas to be staffed with minority police? Because police do get biased.

over all... bhai debate karne ka ye tarika hota hai ki, kisi issue ke ek point ke discuss karo conclusion pe pahuncho or next point pe badh jao... next ko discuss karo... or us se next pe chle jao... mai modi or police ke unbiased action ke example bhi de du or uske baad bhi aap.. karan thaper ke tarike se aade raho to ye to "bhains ke aage been bajane wali baat ho gai"...

thoda accept karo bato ko... sahi cheez ko maan lene mai kya burai hai...

haan bhai saab ek baat or koi naya point ho to uthao... media ki honesty,jakia jafri ke doubts, ehansan jafri ka age certificate, police ke action, police ki power ke bare mai to to bahot baat ho gai hai... aapko convince karna, agree karna ya consent mai lena sirf mere points pe bhi to depend karta.. ye to sab se jayada is baat pe depend karta hai ki aap agree hona chante ho ya nahi...
Maine kaha media ke reports the to apne kaha media biased hai. Maine kaha Jafri ko mob ne mara to apne kaha Jafri ne hi mob ko uksaya. Aap ye mann ne ko tyaar hi nahin hai ki Modi or police biased ho sakti hai. Ab main aap ko bhi keh sakta hoon ki aap agree hona chahte hi nahin!

rajpaldular

July 23rd, 2012, 05:14 PM

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rajpaldular

July 23rd, 2012, 05:36 PM

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July 23rd, 2012, 05:50 PM

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rajpaldular

July 23rd, 2012, 06:02 PM

नरेन्द्र मोदी की जापान यात्रा पर वहाँ के सभी समाचार-पत्रों ने मोदी और उनके काम के बारे मे बहुत कुछ लिखा.
जापान के सबसे बड़े समाचार-पत्र निकेई ने तो पिछले दो दिन से केवल मोदी के बारे मे एक पूरा पेज लिख रहा है.
उनकी बाल्यावस्था की अत्यंत निर्धनता फिर संघ के स्वंयसेवक फिर उनकी संगठन की योग्यता आदि पर बहुत कुछ लिखा.
आज निकेई ने अपने संपादकीय मे लिखा कि सोचिये जो व्यक्ति कभी स्टेशन पर चाय बेचकर अपने निर्धन माँ एवं पिता की सहायता किया करता था फिर भी उसने अध्यापन करना नही छोड़ा और आज उसे पूरा संसार प्रणाम करता है.
एक समाचार-पत्र ने तो मोदी और भोंदू राउल विन्ची की तुलना की है जिसमें कहा गया है कि भोंदू युवराज को अभी एक जन्म और लेना पडेगा तब वो मोदी के कद के बराबर हो सकता है.
एक समाचार-पत्र ने लिखा है कि यदि २०१४ मे मोदी प्रधानमंत्री पद के प्रत्याशी घोषित होते हैं तो ये भोंदू युवराज की आधी पराजय हो जायेगी शेष की आधी पराजय तो चुनावों मे होनी ही है.
मित्रों, मोदी जापान के उस मंदिर मे भी जायेंगे जहां नेताजी की अस्थियां रखी हैं और साथ ही जापान के सबसे बड़े हिंदू मंदिर मे भी मोदी जायेंगे जहां वो भारतीय मूल के लोगो को सम्बोधित करेंगे.

SumitJattan

July 24th, 2012, 03:47 AM

Raj pal ji agar BJP modi ji ko PM candidate declare karti hai to mein chahe duniya ke kissi bhi kone mein hoan Vote dene jaroor aaonga ..... Chahe BJP ka candidate jite yaa hare par mein apna kaam karoonga,

नरेन्द्र मोदी की जापान यात्रा पर वहाँ के सभी समाचार-पत्रों ने मोदी और उनके काम के बारे मे बहुत कुछ लिखा.
जापान के सबसे बड़े समाचार-पत्र निकेई ने तो पिछले दो दिन से केवल मोदी के बारे मे एक पूरा पेज लिख रहा है.
उनकी बाल्यावस्था की अत्यंत निर्धनता फिर संघ के स्वंयसेवक फिर उनकी संगठन की योग्यता आदि पर बहुत कुछ लिखा.
आज निकेई ने अपने संपादकीय मे लिखा कि सोचिये जो व्यक्ति कभी स्टेशन पर चाय बेचकर अपने निर्धन माँ एवं पिता की सहायता किया करता था फिर भी उसने अध्यापन करना नही छोड़ा और आज उसे पूरा संसार प्रणाम करता है.
एक समाचार-पत्र ने तो मोदी और भोंदू राउल विन्ची की तुलना की है जिसमें कहा गया है कि भोंदू युवराज को अभी एक जन्म और लेना पडेगा तब वो मोदी के कद के बराबर हो सकता है.
एक समाचार-पत्र ने लिखा है कि यदि २०१४ मे मोदी प्रधानमंत्री पद के प्रत्याशी घोषित होते हैं तो ये भोंदू युवराज की आधी पराजय हो जायेगी शेष की आधी पराजय तो चुनावों मे होनी ही है.
मित्रों, मोदी जापान के उस मंदिर मे भी जायेंगे जहां नेताजी की अस्थियां रखी हैं और साथ ही जापान के सबसे बड़े हिंदू मंदिर मे भी मोदी जायेंगे जहां वो भारतीय मूल के लोगो को सम्बोधित करेंगे.

SumitJattan

July 24th, 2012, 04:05 AM

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deshi-jat

July 24th, 2012, 05:17 AM

:) Sumit, isiliye thikaana badal liya tanai... Newark tai nonstop flight mil jyagi Dilli ki shayad...O'hare tai to suna bandh kar di..ke baira raat-birat, kad election ho jyaa....aur khadi chot jana padai fer..

Raj pal ji agar BJP modi ji ko PM candidate declare karti hai to mein chahe duniya ke kissi bhi kone mein hoan Vote dene jaroor aaonga ..... Chahe BJP ka candidate jite yaa hare par mein apna kaam karoonga,

SumitJattan

July 24th, 2012, 05:34 AM

Bhai Kirshan,

Ke karan majdoor log hai ...jit ka daana paani hoga udae jana padega ..... Newark ta naa mili ti JFK to hai e

par mene Chicago pasad hai ....new jersy to uske aas paas bhi naa hai . Kade aawe to bata eye tane lene aajyanga.

:) Sumit, isiliye thikaana badal liya tanai... Newark tai nonstop flight mil jyagi Dilli ki shayad...O'hare tai to suna bandh kar di..ke baira raat-birat, kad election ho jyaa....aur khadi chot jana padai fer..

deshi-jat

July 24th, 2012, 08:30 AM

Bhai mai to nyu he haasi karu thaa...aapki yaa post padhate time dhyaan gayaa ki bhai nai move kar liyaa, pehle aap likhya karte Schaumburg, IL

Bhai Kirshan,

Ke karan majdoor log hai ...jit ka daana paani hoga udae jana padega ..... Newark ta naa mili ti JFK to hai e

par mene Chicago pasad hai ....new jersy to uske aas paas bhi naa hai . Kade aawe to bata eye tane lene aajyanga.

anilsangwan

July 24th, 2012, 08:48 AM

:) Sumit, isiliye thikaana badal liya tanai... Newark tai nonstop flight mil jyagi Dilli ki shayad...O'hare tai to suna bandh kar di..ke baira raat-birat, kad election ho jyaa....aur khadi chot jana padai fer..

O'hare tein to waa American Airlines ki thee.... धरती की चोटी (north pole) पर तें ल्याया करती वा Dilli .... सोलाह सत्राह घंटे पड़े रहो मुह में गोडे दियें ..... एर लोग उठक बैठक भी कर के छिक लेते जणू तो ब्यावन का टेम आ गया हो .....!!! Ha ha ha ha ha h!

rajpaldular

July 24th, 2012, 10:30 AM

rajpaldular

July 24th, 2012, 02:55 PM

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Media : Do you nurture the ambition of becoming India’s Prime Minister ?

Modi said, “What I have told you is that ifs and buts have no place in politics. I am committed to Gujarat. I am committed to the 60 million people of Gujarat. They have given me the responsibility. I will have to fulfil that. In December, we are going for a Gujarat election. My priority is to win that election. I am sure people of Gujarat will elect our government again”.

SumitJattan

July 24th, 2012, 11:40 PM

Rajpal ji ,

Mujhe pehli baar kissi nein Indian ..India se bahar hi bola tha ...yahi aake pata laga asli mein desh or desh prem kya hota hai ....aur agar is baar chook gaye to aane wali generations humein maaf nahi karengi ...hum to bas vote hi karsakte hai .

Aap ke writings padh ke sach mein khushi hoti hai.

Thanks and Regards
Sumit

सुमीत जी ! मैं आपकी भावना की सराहना करता हूँ और आपको सेल्यूट (शत-शत प्रणाम) करता हूँ. धन्यवाद. God bless.

SumitJattan

July 24th, 2012, 11:43 PM

Bhai Krishan ...hasi majak kitna e kar .... jo hasi majak naa kare vo jaat kisa hoye ...yahe to pechan hai

Bhai mai to nyu he haasi karu thaa...aapki yaa post padhate time dhyaan gayaa ki bhai nai move kar liyaa, pehle aap likhya karte Schaumburg, IL

rajpaldular

July 25th, 2012, 12:12 PM

'Ambika Soni got it wrong while criticising Narendra Modi'

Written by: Kishore Trivedi

"The only things redder than the red carpet that Japanese government officials have unrolled for Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi today are the faces of his dissidents in his home State, and his detractors elsewhere who are looking to declare him persona non grata on his home turf" - these lines published in one of the web based news sites perfectly summed up the mood in the opposite camp as Narendra Modi's delegation touched down at Tokyo's Narita Airport on the evening of Jul 22.

http://news.oneindia.in/img/2012/07/24-ambika-soni-narendra-modi.jpg

Rubbing even more salt to the wounds was the unprecedented welcome Modi received from the Japanese Government. He was received with the rank of a Cabinet Minister in what is yet another example of how the international community views Modi and his work in Gujarat.

That the self styled liberals were unhappy with events was known but that they would train their guns so soon came as a surprise. Leading charge was none other than Minister Ambika Soni. (http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4406930.cms)

"He may try and win over as many contracts for the development for Gujarat, that's what his job is but lets not do it at the cost of other states." (Smt. Soni to the media)

These observations by a Union Minister, while in absolute poor taste are nothing new. About a month ago, it was the same Ambika Soni who was coercing journalists to ask her desired questions at a presser in Ahmedabad and it was she who made "startling" claims that 80% of Gujarat's children were going malnourished.

Yet her recent statement merits greater scrutiny. The immediate context was the Maruti Standoff in Manesar where Congress-ruled Haryana is seeing what we can call the worst labour stand off in recent years. But as always, Ambika Soni erred big time by speaking what she did and as usual, Modi proved smarter and statesmanlike as compared to the ill informed Minister.

Around the same time as Soni was spewing comments devoid of either fact or logic, Modi was interacting with the foreign media after an Investment Seminar in Tokyo. (http://www.narendramodi.in/34688/) He was asked questions on almost all the ‘controversial' issues be it his PM ambitions, an image trap and the BJP's chances in 2014 but the answer that brought out the true statesman in him was when he was asked about the stand-off in Manesar. He answered:

"It should not happen anywhere in the world, not in India or in Haryana or Gujarat or anywhere in world. It's not an issue (about) where it happened. Human safety is a priority and I do feel that we are concerned about those who have lost their life, but I am sure that Haryana govt is capable to handle the issue and they will handle it."

On foreign soil, Modi spoke not as the CEO of Gujarat but a leader who speaks for India, a leader who will not make hay over the darkness of others but one who will give sunshine to the entire nation. Soni, in contrast, stood like a pygmy vis-a-vis Modi. Not only was her lies exposed, but also it brought out the growing insecurities among the top leadership of the Congress Party on what Modi can do in the sphere of Governance.

As Modi himself pointed out in the same interview - Gujarat's landmark contribution is a paradigm shift towards politics of development. The logical implication is the decline of tokenism and populism, which pushed the Congress into panic button.
Watch Video : HOW AMBIKA SONI GETS IT WRONG YET AGAIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SNhQ8zs6SA)
POST SCRIPT:

Ambika Soni may want to repeat her golden words not for Modi but for her colleagues in the Ministry of External Affairs. On the morning on Jul 24, less than 24 hours after Soni was proven wrong in context of Modi, the Indian Ambassador to China went to inaugurate an exhibition that portrayed India in extremely poor light.

The instant question that comes to mind is - what happened to Soni's doctrine of ‘nation before state?' Did her own Government err in sending its envoy for the exhibition? Do Indian Embassies in sensitive locations not brief their ambassadors properly on his movements and public engagements? Or was he allowed to go there deliberately? Can we call it a UPA version of the Look East Policy - use Beijing when Tokyo doesn't help? Why put egg on our faces only because a dynasty wants to settle scores with a development icon?

These are questions Soni and her colleagues may answer but till then, lets revel in the host of investments Modi is bringing to Gujarat (not at the cost of others) and enjoy a fantastic show of statesmanship by him in Japan.

SumitJattan

July 26th, 2012, 05:20 AM

Words about P A Sangma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wzh4TptMbiA

SumitJattan

July 26th, 2012, 05:30 AM

Comments on our New finance minister :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So3sG4TgVN8&feature=relmfu

sanjeev1984

July 26th, 2012, 02:19 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Hang-me-if-I-am-guilty-Narendra-Modi-tells-Urdu-weekly/articleshow/15154365.cms

I tried hard to find some words (line will be beyond the expectations) from those so called (and self claimed too) "secular people" about "Barely Riots" and "Assam Riots". UP and Assam CM's are living a peaceful life. Either the statement/defination of secularism is changed now or those secular spirits are busy in negotiation with Congress and allies.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 03:01 PM

Since we are posting videos, lets not miss the following. Do watch the documentary Final Solution. Below are only 20 mins of the 2 30 mins video.

Witnesses recounting planned attacks. Almost everyone from different localities say the attacks began at 10 am in the morning. Leaders of the mobs were carrying mobiles along with swords to coordinate attacks. The police fired on Muslims when they tried to retaliate. 36 Muslims were arrested out of 40 total people arrested on 28th feb. Any more evidence needed for the biasness of police?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5-L18EdmVI&feature=relmfu

rajpaldular

July 26th, 2012, 03:02 PM

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swaich

July 26th, 2012, 03:06 PM

Gaurav Yatra! Do listen to the kindergarten kid recounting how his family was killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKnx3HDmt1I

vicky84

July 26th, 2012, 03:22 PM

Swaich bhai, ek aadha video Hindus pe attack wala bhi dikha do!

Shuruwaat kisne ki in attacks ki ye bhi bata do?

rajpaldular

July 26th, 2012, 03:32 PM

Gaurav Yatra! Do listen to the kindergarten kid recounting how his family was killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKnx3HDmt1I

"Jaspreet Swaich"

ये महानुभाव कहीं मुसलमान तो नहीं हैं? JL Moderators कृपया इन महाशय की i .d . की जांच की जाए.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 04:24 PM

Swaich bhai, ek aadha video Hindus pe attack wala bhi dikha do!

Shuruwaat kisne ki in attacks ki ye bhi bata do?

Bhai..maine yeh Hinduon ko neecha dikhane ke liye ya riots ke liye blame karne ke liye nahi dala...

Balki yeh ki kaise sab adminstration, police aur govt ki planning ke saath hua.

Par isse aap itna defensive kyun ho rahe ho?

vicky84

July 26th, 2012, 04:56 PM

Bhai..maine yeh Hinduon ko neecha dikhane ke liye ya riots ke liye blame karne ke liye nahi dala...

Balki yeh ki kaise sab adminstration, police aur govt ki planning ke saath hua.

Par isse aap itna defensive kyun ho rahe ho?

Bhai,

Riots ko investigate karne ke liye agencies apna kaam kar rahi hain. Jo doshi hoga usse saza mil jayegi. Jahan tak police ke firing ki baat hai to bhai ye Muslim majority wala area tha to, isliye muslim casualties jayada hui hongi.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 05:03 PM

Bhai,

Riots ko investigate karne ke liye agencies apna kaam kar rahi hain. Jo doshi hoga usse saza mil jayegi. Jahan tak police ke firing ki baat hai to bhai ye Muslim majority wala area tha to, isliye muslim casualties jayada hui hongi.

Bhai..par firing to riot karne walon pe hoti hai na? Shuru ke riots especially on 28th Feb, the day of which I quoted the figures, were all against Muslims.

Aur aapki baat sahi hai..agencies pe hi chorh dena chahiye...par hamein bhi apni agencies ka kaam pata hai..84 riots pe 10 commission ban chuke hain...kitne arrest huye ?

Anyways..just wanted people to see ki kya kuch hua tha aur kaise hua tha..

sanjeev1984

July 26th, 2012, 05:14 PM

Atish Bhai, apni energy vyarth mat karo... aisi pata nahi kitni post aa chuki hain is thread pe...

Bhai,

Riots ko investigate karne ke liye agencies apna kaam kar rahi hain. Jo doshi hoga usse saza mil jayegi. Jahan tak police ke firing ki baat hai to bhai ye Muslim majority wala area tha to, isliye muslim casualties jayada hui hongi.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 05:40 PM

The teenager takes name of people, including VHP local leaders along with the revelation that he is offered money to quieten down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1I8cK6GodM&feature=relmfu

SumitJattan

July 26th, 2012, 05:56 PM

Bhai Jaspreet tu asliyat mein chawe ke hai .... meine jo video paste kare the unmein 2 leaders ke baare mein the .... mein samajh nahi paya in videos ke peeche aap ka main aim kya hai

The teenager takes name of people, including VHP local leaders along with the revelation that he is offered money to quieten down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1I8cK6GodM&feature=relmfu

sanjeev1984

July 26th, 2012, 06:02 PM

Sumit Bhai, apni energy vyarth mat karo... aisi kosish pata nahi kitni ho chuki hain is thread pe... :)

Bhai Jaspreet tu asliyat mein chawe ke hai .... meine jo video paste kare the unmein 2 leaders ke baare mein the .... mein samajh nahi paya in videos ke peeche aap ka main aim kya hai

SumitJattan

July 26th, 2012, 06:05 PM

Sanjeev Bhai meine to is tarika ka kaam bas ek hi condition mein karta ..... agar mujhe congress ki ticket chahiye hoti ;)

Sumit Bhai, apni energy vyarth mat karo... aisi kosish pata nahi kitni ho chuki hain is thread pe... :)

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 06:08 PM

Bhai Jaspreet tu asliyat mein chawe ke hai .... meine jo video paste kare the unmein 2 leaders ke baare mein the .... mein samajh nahi paya in videos ke peeche aap ka main aim kya hai

Bhai..mere to koi ni..tu ye bata ki tune ye documentary dekhi ki nahi? Aur agar dekhi, to fir bhi Modi ki support kaise kar raha hai..?

prashantacmet

July 26th, 2012, 06:40 PM

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 06:46 PM

why the NAAZIS supported the hitler?? ..don't you think at the name of secularism hindus are also suffering many atrocities..but no-one raise the voic efor them...everyone talsk about modi biasedness but noone talks how the hundred men were burnt alive in godhara..that was not a crime?

Those 58 lives were used to incite mobs for revenge and kill about 2500 and render lakhs homeless. And further win elections too.

Very apt comparison btw, Hitler and Modi.

DrRajpalSingh

July 26th, 2012, 06:54 PM

..........

Very apt comparison btw, Hitler and Modi.

Friend, Do you really accept this comparison between the two as 'Very apt' ? I do not think Modi is nearer 'Fuherer' in any way as the latter was very powerful person who happens to be one of the most read [ even more than M K Gandhi ] and discussed person in the literary circles for his bright and dark deeds in the annals of the history of mankind.

prashantacmet

July 26th, 2012, 06:54 PM

Those 58 lives were used to incite mobs for revenge and kill about 2500 and render lakhs homeless. And further win elections too.

Very apt comparison btw, Hitler and Modi.
so you will do the analysis without the root cause??..what kind of analyzer machine you are?

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 06:58 PM

so you will do the analysis without the root cause??..what kind of analyzer machine you are?

Aap kar lo root cause.

prashantacmet

July 26th, 2012, 07:04 PM

Aap kar lo root cause.
shaunk to aapko hai ho main kyoun kar lu..aap hi karo par poora karo..sabko ek aankh se dekho :)

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:13 PM

shaunk to aapko hai ho main kyoun kar lu..aap hi karo par poora karo..sabko ek aankh se dekho :)

Kis cheej ka root cause?

Godhra mein train ko jalaya Muslims ne. 58 mare.
Jawab mein VHP, BJP, BD ne logon ko incite kare 2500 mare. Kayi lakh beghar huye. Police aur adminstration khadi dekhti rahi aur kayi jagah help bhi ki.

App batao kahan galat hun.

prashantacmet

July 26th, 2012, 07:20 PM

Kis cheej ka root cause?

ab yeh bhi samjhana padega..aisa karo aap rahne hi do..aage pej bharan tai kuch ni hona

App batao kahan galat hun.
wo 58 log kaha galat the jo godhara main jinda jalaye gaye?

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:27 PM

ab yeh bhi samjhana padega..aisa karo aap rahne hi do..aage pej bharan tai kuch ni hona

wo 58 log kaha galat the jo godhara main jinda jalaye gaye?

Galat nahi the. Galat woh 2500 bhi nahi the. Hisab barabar. Glorious Gujarat.

cooljat

July 26th, 2012, 07:28 PM

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:33 PM

Bhai vo kahwat to suni hi hogi, "Haathi chalta rehta hai, aur kutte bhonkte rehte hain" .. ye congressi and followers are like stray dogs, baal bhi baanka nahi kar paayenge Modi ka !!

Don't waste your time n' energy in such bull$hit discussions targeting Modi, baat karte hain Riots ki .. Kashmiri Hindus ke saath jo hua nobody cares, 84' Sikh riots koi sa baat na karta aur now Assam riots by these illegal bangladeshi muslims, nobody doing anything, ab congress ki govt kya kar rehi hai????

Jis thread mein jo baat hogi wahi karenge na bhai? Kashmir aur 84 beech mein kahan se aaye? Ya fir aapko lagta hai ki Gujarat mein kashmir ka badla liya gaya?

Aur yeho to dukh ki baat hai ki modi ka baal bhi baanka nahin hoga. Sab ke sab bach nikalange.

cooljat

July 26th, 2012, 07:36 PM

Riot is Riot, why only targeting Modi?
Jis thread mein jo baat hogi wahi karenge na bhai? Kashmir aur 84 beech mein kahan se aaye? Ya fir aapko lagta hai ki Gujarat mein kashmir ka badla liya gaya?

Aur yeho to dukh ki baat hai ki modi ka baal bhi baanka nahin hoga. Sab ke sab bach nikalange.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:38 PM

Riot is Riot, why only targeting Modi?

Because we are talking about him in this thread. Why do you want to divert the discussion?

Aap thread kholo 84 riots aur Kashmir pe.. Appse jyada post mere honge uspe.

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 07:39 PM

Phir to Jaspreet ji is thread mai jo Modi kai supporter hia wahi log post karay....jo Modi kai critique hia...wo dusri thread banaye to criticize Modi.

Jis thread mein jo baat hogi wahi karenge na bhai? Kashmir aur 84 beech mein kahan se aaye? Ya fir aapko lagta hai ki Gujarat mein kashmir ka badla liya gaya?

Aur yeho to dukh ki baat hai ki modi ka baal bhi baanka nahin hoga. Sab ke sab bach nikalange.

ravinderjeet

July 26th, 2012, 07:41 PM

Jis thread mein jo baat hogi wahi karenge na bhai? Kashmir aur 84 beech mein kahan se aaye? Ya fir aapko lagta hai ki Gujarat mein kashmir ka badla liya gaya?

Aur yeho to dukh ki baat hai ki modi ka baal bhi baanka nahin hoga. Sab ke sab bach nikalange.

जसप्रीत भाई , आप को दुःख क्यों हुआ ,आपका कोई सगा मुस्लिम मारा गया था क्या गुजरात में ? ५८ निरपराध रेल यात्रिओं की मौत पर आप को दुःख क्यों नहीं हुआ ?

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:42 PM

Phir to Jaspreet ji is thread mai jo Modi kai supporter hia wahi log post karay....jo Modi kai critique hia...wo dusri thread banaye to criticize Modi.

Bhai aapke hisab se Modi ki thread pe riots discuss na ho yeh galat hai ? Par kashmir se leke 84 riots tak discuss ho yeh sahi hai? Modi ka kashmir or 84 se kya lena dena hai?

malikdeepak1

July 26th, 2012, 07:43 PM

..sabko ek aankh se dekho :)

Ar bhai je kise ke ho ae ek aankh to?? :)

cooljat

July 26th, 2012, 07:44 PM

Its not about winning a discussion or post count in a thread. This thread is originally about "Modi as PM" not about riots at first place.

But, if Riot discussion already started, focus on Riots in general not on Modi in particular.

Because we are talking about him in this thread. Why do you want to divert the discussion?

Aap thread kholo 84 riots aur Kashmir pe.. Appse jyada post mere honge uspe.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:45 PM

जसप्रीत भाई , आप को दुःख क्यों हुआ ,आपका कोई सगा मुस्लिम मारा गया था क्या गुजरात में ? ५८ निरपराध रेल यात्रिओं की मौत पर आप को दुःख क्यों नहीं हुआ ?

Kya koi saga hoga..tabhi dukh hota hai? Agar pehle 58 muslim marte aur fir police ki support se 2500 Hindu marte fir bhi dukh hota. Par isse bada dukh yeh hai ki jis insaan ki vajah se yeh hua..usko ab hum PM banana chahte hain!

ravinderjeet

July 26th, 2012, 07:47 PM

Those 58 lives were used to incite mobs for revenge and kill about 2500 and render lakhs homeless. And further win elections too.

Very apt comparison btw, Hitler and Modi.

हिटलर बनने के लिए बहुत ऊंची देशभक्ति और हिम्मत चाहिए | गांधी बनने के लिए बहुत नीच कपटीपणा , धोखेबाजी और हरामिपना चाहिए |

malikdeepak1

July 26th, 2012, 07:48 PM

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:49 PM

Its not about winning a discussion or post count in a thread. /QUOTE]

And you think I want to win stupid awards and thats why I post?

[QUOTE]This thread is originally about "Modi as PM" not about riots at first place. But, if Riot discussion already started, focus on Riots in general not on Modi in particular.
How can you not talk about riots when talking about Modi or when projecting him as PM? He was the CM and directly responsible at least for gross negligence if not colluding and allowing the administration to help the rioteers.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:51 PM

हिटलर बनने के लिए बहुत ऊंची देशभक्ति और हिम्मत चाहिए | गांधी बनने के लिए बहुत नीच कपटीपणा , धोखेबाजी और हरामिपना चाहिए |

Aap cruelty, fanaticism and pure evil jaisi qualities bhool gaye.

prashantacmet

July 26th, 2012, 07:51 PM

usko ab hum PM banana chahte hain!
To rahul gandhi ko bana do..fir to aap khush ho jaaoge?

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:54 PM

Jaspreet ji

Ye media wale tabhi shor kyu machate hai jab in mullo ko kuch hota hai?? Pahli ghtna hinduo ke sath hui thi jab un bekasur logo ko jinda jalaya gya tha. unke marne ka koi gum nahi.. par jab mulle mare to haaye-tauba, kyu?? Insaf hi karna hai to pahle hinduo ko jalane walo ko sja milni chaiye..baad me mullo wala bhi hisab-kitab ho jayega. Aap or media un hinduo ko kyu bhul jate ho? Galat baat.

Sir, media to kashmiri pandits ka mudda bhi uthati hai..jab bhi kashmir ka koi talk show hota hai, ek paksh Panun kashmir ka bhi hota hai.

Baki media uthaye na uthaye kya isse woh cheez kam ya jyada ho jayegi? Media 84 riots ko kitna uthati hai jispe 10 commission ban chuke hain? Kya usse 84 riots ka magnitude kam ho gaya?

PS : Godhra kaand ka faisla 10 saal tak nahi aya to churne ho ge.. ar wo Sajjan Kumar ar Titler ka case 28 saal te pda hai court me uska kuch nahi :)

Hanji sir...aur bhi kayi case chal rahen hain abhi tak. For more details you should read HS Phoolka's book "When a big tree falls".

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 07:54 PM

Meri taraf sai jo marji discuss kar lo...mujhay koi faraq nahi padta...,mai to vaise bhi topic diver karnay mai expert hoon :P...

maine to bas aapay logic par ek comment kiya...thread title hia "पी एम हो तो मोदी जैसा........... (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?34471-%26%232346%3B%26%232368%3B-%26%232319%3B%26%232350%3B-%26%232361%3B%26%232379%3B-%26%232340%3B%26%232379%3B-%26%232350%3B%26%232379%3B%26%232342%3B%26%232368% 3B-%26%232332%3B%26%232376%3B%26%232360%3B%26%232366% 3B/page10)" so jo is baat sai sehamt hia wahi comment karay yahan par....
kisi ko gujrat riot discuss karnay hia to Gujrat Riots ki nai thread banaye or phir discussion as per your logic :D

Bhai aapke hisab se Modi ki thread pe riots discuss na ho yeh galat hai ? Par kashmir se leke 84 riots tak discuss ho yeh sahi hai? Modi ka kashmir or 84 se kya lena dena hai?

ravinderjeet

July 26th, 2012, 07:55 PM

Kya koi saga hoga..tabhi dukh hota hai? Agar pehle 58 muslim marte aur fir police ki support se 2500 Hindu marte fir bhi dukh hota. Par isse bada dukh yeh hai ki jis insaan ki vajah se yeh hua..usko ab hum PM banana chahte hain!

जिस नेहरू की वजह से लाखों ,हिन्दू -सिख मारे गए थे (१९४७) वो भी परधानमंत्री बना , जिस इंद्रा की वजह से हजारों सिख मारे गए थे ,सवर्ण मंदिर में ,वो भी प्रधान मंत्री बनी ,जिस राजिव की वजह से हजारों सिख मारे गए थे सन ८४ में वो भी प्रधान मंत्री बना | जिन्ना लाखों हिन्दुओं को मरवा के पाकिस्तान का बाप बना और इधर गांधी बाप बना | बिना मरे मारे सत्ता हांसिल नहीं होती | कहीं तुम मरोगे ,कहीं हम मरेंगे ,तब राजा राज करेंगे |

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:55 PM

To rahul gandhi ko bana do..fir to aap khush ho jaaoge?

Bas..Modi ko oppose kar diya to Congressi ka thappa laga do.. Kyun bhai..? Yo koi binary code hai kya 1 or 0?

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 07:58 PM

aapkay aisa sochnay sai ye prove to nahi hota ki Modi ki wajah sai aisa hua hia....

Kya koi saga hoga..tabhi dukh hota hai? Agar pehle 58 muslim marte aur fir police ki support se 2500 Hindu marte fir bhi dukh hota. Par isse bada dukh yeh hai ki jis insaan ki vajah se yeh hua..usko ab hum PM banana chahte hain!

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 07:59 PM

जिस नेहरू की वजह से लाखों ,हिन्दू -सिख मारे गए थे (१९४७) वो भी परधानमंत्री बना , जिस इंद्रा की वजह से हजारों सिख मारे गए थे ,सवर्ण मंदिर में ,वो भी प्रधान मंत्री बनी ,जिस राजिव की वजह से हजारों सिख मारे गए थे सन ८४ में वो भी प्रधान मंत्री बना | जिन्ना लाखों हिन्दुओं को मरवा के पाकिस्तान का बाप बना और इधर गांधी बाप बना | बिना मरे मारे सत्ता हांसिल नहीं होती | कहीं तुम मरोगे ,कहीं हम मरेंगे ,तब राजा राज करेंगे |

Sir yeh to wohi baat hogi "Ki yeh to hone hi tha, hota hi rahega, isliye bhool jao. Aage bado." Par mujhe lagta hai ki aisi cheezo ko yaad rakhna chaiye..buri cheezo ko bhoolna nahi chahiye..taki hum aur aane wali generation ko pata rahe. Tabhi kuch badal sakega.

prashantacmet

July 26th, 2012, 08:00 PM

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 08:00 PM

aapnay sentence jara ulta likh diya....

Gandhi bannay kai liye himmat chaiye or hitlar bannay kai liye बहुत नीच कपटीपणा , धोखेबाजी और हरामिपना चाहिए

हिटलर बनने के लिए बहुत ऊंची देशभक्ति और हिम्मत चाहिए | गांधी बनने के लिए बहुत नीच कपटीपणा , धोखेबाजी और हरामिपना चाहिए |

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 08:01 PM

aapkay aisa sochnay sai ye prove to nahi hota ki Modi ki wajah sai aisa hua hia....

Bilkul nahi hota. Those are my opinions. I dont want you to accept them just because I say so. And thats why I shared all those videos. You can search and then decide on your own, like I did.

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 08:06 PM

wo video dhek kar bas ye pata lagta hia...ki riot huai and aapas mai mar kaat hui...ye to kahin sai pata nahi lagta Riot mai Modi involve tha...

Modi agar involve hota to 250 sai jayda Hindu firing mai na maray jatay...

Modi dusray din hi Army ko na bulata

He did everything to stop the riots whatever he was capable to do so...

Bilkul nahi hota. Those are my opinions. I dont want you to accept them just because I say so. And thats why I shared all those videos. You can search and then decide on your own, like I did.

SumitJattan

July 26th, 2012, 08:29 PM

Bilkul sahi baat kahi aap nein aaj tak kissi bhi musalmaan nein ye nahi kaha hai ki jo Aurangzeb nein kiya vo galat tha to hum modi ko kyon galat kahe aur sahi baat boori baaton ko bhoolna nahi chahiye ........ to Aurangzeb ko bhi yaad rakho .... Muslims ko hissa mil chuka hai jo yahan hai vo unka faisla tha humara nahi ..... kam se kam unki halat Pakistan mein rah rahe hindon se to behtar hai ..... Modi nein Gujrat mein kaam kiya aur kar raha hai agar uska 50% bhi desh mein kar diya to mere vote ki kimat poori ho jaaye gi ...... i dont have any sympathy with muslims ... jab unka raaj tha unhone humara khoob khoon piya hai ..... agar proper history ki baat karni hai to Rajpal sir se pooch lo vo History ke scholar hai

Sir yeh to wohi baat hogi "Ki yeh to hone hi tha, hota hi rahega, isliye bhool jao. Aage bado." Par mujhe lagta hai ki aisi cheezo ko yaad rakhna chaiye..buri cheezo ko bhoolna nahi chahiye..taki hum aur aane wali generation ko pata rahe. Tabhi kuch badal sakega.

kapdal

July 26th, 2012, 08:31 PM

Modi dusray din hi Army ko na bulata

He did everything to stop the riots whatever he was capable to do so...

..

I am not following the discussion. But this point made me curious just as a matter of fact. I didn't know that army was called so soon - doesn't explain how come there was so much damage to life and property. Reading some links, it seems like army was requisitioned promptly, but was not deployed till 2 days. Much of damage was done by then. Who knows what effect a sooner deployment would have had, but I doubt Gujaratis are capable of causing such mayhem in front of the army.

I don't know whether Modi did everything to stop the riots or not. But I do know that most of his passionate supporters on the ultra-right believe that he did not and support him for that. It is also clear that even after 10 years, Modi doesn't want to leave that "hardliner" image as it is to his political benefit.

It is silly to be passionate supporter (or opponent) of political leaders - most of them will value anything and everything in terms of political benefits.

ravinderjeet

July 26th, 2012, 08:32 PM

aapnay sentence jara ulta likh diya....

Gandhi bannay kai liye himmat chaiye or hitlar bannay kai liye बहुत नीच कपटीपणा , धोखेबाजी और हरामिपना चाहिए

ना भाई ,पहले हिटलर को पढो ,उस समय की वस्तुस्थिति को समझो , हिटलर एक महान देशभक्त था , जिसने निस्वार्थ अपनी कौम और देश के लिए विदेशी लूटेरों और देश द्रोहियों से लोहा लिया | उधहरण --- यदि आपके यहाँ पर ( भारत में ) चीनी लोग आ जाएँ और आपकी जमीन ,उद्योग -व्यापार ,शाशन पर कब्जा कर लें तो ,क्या होना चाहिए ? ( जिसप्रकार अंग्रेजों ने किया था )

prashantacmet

July 26th, 2012, 08:36 PM

Galat nahi the. Galat woh 2500 bhi nahi the. Hisab barabar. Glorious Gujarat.

are you exaggerating the data....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfKrZOxDb_E&feature=related
The 2002 Gujarat violence was a series of incidents including the Godhra train burning and the subsequent communal riots between Hindus and Muslims in the Indian state of Gujarat. On 27 February 2002, the Sabarmati Express train was attacked at Godhra by a large Muslim mob[1][2] as per a preplanned conspiracy.[3] 58 Hindu pilgrims, mostly women and children returning from Ayodhya, were killed in the attack. This in turn prompted retaliatory attacks against Muslims and general communal riots on a large scale across the state, in which 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were ultimately killed and 223 more people were reported missing.[4][5] 523 places of worship were damaged: 298 dargahs, 205 mosques, 17 temples, and 3 churches. Muslim-owned businesses suffered the bulk of the damage. 61,000 Muslims and 10,000 Hindus fled their homes. Preventive arrests of 17,947 Hindus and 3,616 Muslims were made. In total 27,901 Hindus and 7,651 Muslims were arrested. Nearly 10,000 rounds of bullets were fired in police shootings that killed 93 Muslims and 77 Hindus.

vvk1987

July 26th, 2012, 08:39 PM

भाई क्यों बावले हो रे सो मोदी के पाछे.... और भतेरे पढ़े लिखे एर काबिल छोरे बेरोजगार हांड रे हिन्दुस्तान मैं i एक आध तै हाड़े जाटलैंड पै भी मिल ज्यागा... किसे नै बणा द्यो i वैसे भी मोदी कौनसा जादू का डोगा ले रह्या सै जो प्रधानमंत्री बनते ही देश की सारी समस्या हल कर देगा i खामखाँ की बात सें ये तो i आपस में तम क्यों आपना भाईचारा ख़राब करो सो इस मलंग की खातर i लड़ो मत ना भाई एक्का बनाये राखो, तरक्की करणी सै तो i

sanjeev1984

July 26th, 2012, 08:49 PM

sometimes i miss dislike option for the posts...

भाई क्यों बावले हो रे सो मोदी के पाछे.... और भतेरे पढ़े लिखे एर काबिल छोरे बेरोजगार हांड रे हिन्दुस्तान मैं i एक आध तै हाड़े जाटलैंड पै भी मिल ज्यागा... किसे नै बणा द्यो i वैसे भी मोदी कौनसा जादू का डोगा ले रह्या सै जो प्रधानमंत्री बनते ही देश की सारी समस्या हल कर देगा i खामखाँ की बात सें ये तो i आपस में तम क्यों आपना भाईचारा ख़राब करो सो इस मलंग की खातर i लड़ो मत ना भाई एक्का बनाये राखो, तरक्की करणी सै तो i

sanjeev1984

July 26th, 2012, 09:07 PM

Following ways by which people are misguided by Media;

1). They say "Atal said Modi didn't obeyed Rajdharam"

Truth about it "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5W3RCpOGbQ"

2). Activists are there fighting for justice.

Truth about activists "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92thZReqqf4"

Many more are there...

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 09:32 PM

The riot was started on 28th of February and Modi called for Army on 1st March and Army was deployed on 2nd March the vary next day. In the month of February there was only 28 days. But Media and Modi critique portrayed it like Modi took 4 days call in the Army which is tatally a propaganda.

I am not following the discussion. But this point made me curious just as a matter of fact. I didn't know that army was called so soon - doesn't explain how come there was so much damage to life and property. Reading some links, it seems like army was requisitioned promptly, but was not deployed till 2 days. Much of damage was done by then. Who knows what effect a sooner deployment would have had, but I doubt Gujaratis are capable of causing such mayhem in front of the army.

I don't know whether Modi did everything to stop the riots or not. But I do know that most of his passionate supporters on the ultra-right believe that he did not and support him for that. It is also clear that even after 10 years, Modi doesn't want to leave that "hardliner" image as it is to his political benefit.

It is silly to be passionate supporter (or opponent) of political leaders - most of them will value anything and everything in terms of political benefits.

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 09:37 PM

arry bahi Jews bhi usi desh kai Niwashi thay...Hiteler agar itna bada deshbhkta tha to apnay hi desh kai Jews ka planned genocide na karta. Read Holocaust Hitler ki darindgi jannay kai liye...

baki angrej bangrejo sai ladnay ki baat to baad mai aati hai...

or Germany par to Kabja karnay ki kabhi kisi nai sochi hi nahi Europe mai. It was Hitler who has captured the Poland without any provocation.

ना भाई ,पहले हिटलर को पढो ,उस समय की वस्तुस्थिति को समझो , हिटलर एक महान देशभक्त था , जिसने निस्वार्थ अपनी कौम और देश के लिए विदेशी लूटेरों और देश द्रोहियों से लोहा लिया | उधहरण --- यदि आपके यहाँ पर ( भारत में ) चीनी लोग आ जाएँ और आपकी जमीन ,उद्योग -व्यापार ,शाशन पर कब्जा कर लें तो ,क्या होना चाहिए ? ( जिसप्रकार अंग्रेजों ने किया था )

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 10:14 PM

are you exaggerating the data....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfKrZOxDb_E&feature=related
The 2002 Gujarat violence was a series of incidents including the Godhra train burning and the subsequent communal riots between Hindus and Muslims in the Indian state of Gujarat. On 27 February 2002, the Sabarmati Express train was attacked at Godhra by a large Muslim mob[1][2] as per a preplanned conspiracy.[3] 58 Hindu pilgrims, mostly women and children returning from Ayodhya, were killed in the attack. This in turn prompted retaliatory attacks against Muslims and general communal riots on a large scale across the state, in which 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were ultimately killed and 223 more people were reported missing.[4][5] 523 places of worship were damaged: 298 dargahs, 205 mosques, 17 temples, and 3 churches. Muslim-owned businesses suffered the bulk of the damage. 61,000 Muslims and 10,000 Hindus fled their homes. Preventive arrests of 17,947 Hindus and 3,616 Muslims were made. In total 27,901 Hindus and 7,651 Muslims were arrested. Nearly 10,000 rounds of bullets were fired in police shootings that killed 93 Muslims and 77 Hindus.

Nahi bhai..what you are quoting is govt. data based on corpses found and identified. Many of the corpses were removed, loaded into trucks, burnt en masse or buried by the rioteers to remove any proof. There are eye witness accounts to confirm this. This isnt a new tactic. Even in 84 riots dead bodies were taken away and burnt, sometimes even those people who werent totaly dead. These people are identified as missing but not as dead.

deshi-jat

July 26th, 2012, 10:21 PM

Gade bee to isse desh ke the..fer mara-kata kyu machaa thaa? thode din pehle thare nuy ne Koshi mai mach raha tha..rajasthan mai bhee hua tha kuchh din pehle..ib assam mai bodo ke saath mach rahyaa..yo sara Modi karva de sai kai?

arry bahi Jews bhi usi desh kai Niwashi thay...Hiteler agar itna bada deshbhkta tha to apnay hi desh kai Jews ka planned genocide na karta. Read Holocaust Hitler ki darindgi jannay kai liye...

baki angrej bangrejo sai ladnay ki baat to baad mai aati hai...

or Germany par to Kabja karnay ki kabhi kisi nai sochi hi nahi Europe mai. It was Hitler who has captured the Poland without any provocation.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 10:21 PM

Bilkul sahi baat kahi aap nein aaj tak kissi bhi musalmaan nein ye nahi kaha hai ki jo Aurangzeb nein kiya vo galat tha to hum modi ko kyon galat kahe aur sahi baat boori baaton ko bhoolna nahi chahiye ........ to Aurangzeb ko bhi yaad rakho .... Muslims ko hissa mil chuka hai jo yahan hai vo unka faisla tha humara nahi ..... kam se kam unki halat Pakistan mein rah rahe hindon se to behtar hai ..... Modi nein Gujrat mein kaam kiya aur kar raha hai agar uska 50% bhi desh mein kar diya to mere vote ki kimat poori ho jaaye gi ...... i dont have any sympathy with muslims ... jab unka raaj tha unhone humara khoob khoon piya hai ..... agar proper history ki baat karni hai to Rajpal sir se pooch lo vo History ke scholar hai

Bhai..tum aise baat kar rahe ho jaise Muslims yahan ke citizens hi nahin hai...aur agar woh yahan reh rahe hain to hamara unke upar bahut bada ehsaan hai..!

Aur bhai kya India ke Musalman Mughal hain? Aurangzeb ke vashanj hai? Jo Aurangzeb ne kiya unme kya inka haath tha? Yeh bhi to convert hi huye hain par fir bhi Indians hai..!

Modi ki baat is liye kar sakte hain kyunki woh abhi hamare saamne hain aur shayad PM ban jaye..Musalmano se Aurangzeb ke baare mein maafi dilwa ke kya confirm karwa doge? Unka to usse koi lena dena hi nahin hai.

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 10:26 PM

kiski gelya takkar maran laag rhe ho sare!!!! is bhai ke saamne sare paksh rukh diye... bas ek aakhri kaam reh rhya sai... aap mai se koi agar kisi acche se eyes and ear spl. ko janta ho to plz isko no. forward kar do... iski aankho or kano mai filter lage huae hain vo hat jaye to ho sakta hai ki fir information filter ho ke na jae... is bahi ke post dekh ke manne apne mama ke gaam ke akkhad jhote ki yaad aa jya sai...

Bhai tum personal comment bahut karte ho..main bhi engg college main parh ke aayan hun aur shayad tum bhi..yeh personal comments aur teechrein karne ka mahaul maine bhi dekha hai aur bahut ki bhi hain....par ab yeh theek nahi lagta..main shayad tum se bhi barh ke comment kar sakta hun par main us level pe nahin aana chahta..na hi is forum pe hamein aisa karna chahiye..baki tumhari marzi hai..

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 10:26 PM

Mai bhi to yahi bola rha hoon...aapas mai laday maray katay koi...or naam Modi ka

Gade bee to isse desh ke the..fer mara-kata kyu machaa thaa? thode din pehle thare nuy ne Koshi mai mach raha tha..rajasthan mai bhee hua tha kuchh din pehle..ib assam mai bodo ke saath mach rahyaa..yo sara Modi karva de sai kai?

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 10:28 PM

wo video dhek kar bas ye pata lagta hia...ki riot huai and aapas mai mar kaat hui...ye to kahin sai pata nahi lagta Riot mai Modi involve tha...

Modi agar involve hota to 250 sai jayda Hindu firing mai na maray jatay...

Modi dusray din hi Army ko na bulata

He did everything to stop the riots whatever he was capable to do so...

bhai..us video ke 13 part hai 2 1/2 ghante ki documentary hai..i understand ki apne poori nahi dekhi hogi...jahan usme yeh kaha hai ki army bulayi gayi thi, wahin yeh bhi dikhaya ki army recall bhi kar li gayi thi..wahin yeh bhi dikhaya gaya hai ki kaise modi or uske supporters ne logo ko uksaya tha..it was nothing less than a genocide..

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 10:31 PM

ना भाई ,पहले हिटलर को पढो ,उस समय की वस्तुस्थिति को समझो , हिटलर एक महान देशभक्त था , जिसने निस्वार्थ अपनी कौम और देश के लिए विदेशी लूटेरों और देश द्रोहियों से लोहा लिया | उधहरण --- यदि आपके यहाँ पर ( भारत में ) चीनी लोग आ जाएँ और आपकी जमीन ,उद्योग -व्यापार ,शाशन पर कब्जा कर लें तो ,क्या होना चाहिए ? ( जिसप्रकार अंग्रेजों ने किया था )

Sir, no disrespect par aapko Hitler ke karnamo ke baare mein kuch galatfehmi hai...Jews bhi kayi centuries se wahin reh rahe the..Germans hi the..

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 10:37 PM

Army recall ho gayi...now you are just kidding here....Army was deployed on 2nd of March and it was remain their till the piece won't restored. and rahi baat Modi supporter ki...Modi ka supporter to mai bhi hoon...kal agar mai koi crime karta hoon...iska matlab yeh hua kya ko wo crime Modi nai karwaya hia???? :o

bhai..us video ke 13 part hai 2 1/2 ghante ki documentary hai..i understand ki apne poori nahi dekhi hogi...jahan usme yeh kaha hai ki army bulayi gayi thi, wahin yeh bhi dikhaya ki army recall bhi kar li gayi thi..wahin yeh bhi dikhaya gaya hai ki kaise modi or uske supporters ne logo ko uksaya tha..it was nothing less than a genocide..

swaich

July 26th, 2012, 10:40 PM

Army recall ho gayi...now you are just kidding here....Army was deployed on 2nd of March and it was remain their till the piece won't restored. and rahi baat Modi supporter ki...Modi ka supporter to mai bhi hoon...kal agar mai koi crime karta hoon...iska matlab yeh hua kya ko wo crime Modi nai karwaya hia???? :o

Bhai..tum mein aur VHP, BD RSS mein farak hai na...I will read more about army deployments and let you know when and how the army was removed..but one thing there was delay in deploying army..when muslims groups began retaliating it was called in..

Baki I would request you to watch those videos if you can take out 2.5 hours of the time..it is a pretty well made documentary covering both sides..Hindus and Muslims..The maker is a Hindu Rakesh Sharma..

sanjeev1984

July 26th, 2012, 10:47 PM

ye dekh ke accha laga ki aapko atleast ye to jaldi samajh mai aa jata hai ki kuch post mai aapke liye personal comments hain... kash itni hi aasani se baki batein bhi samajh mai aa jati...

Bhai tum personal comment bahut karte ho..main bhi engg college main parh ke aayan hun aur shayad tum bhi..yeh personal comments aur teechrein karne ka mahaul maine bhi dekha hai aur bahut ki bhi hain....par ab yeh theek nahi lagta..main shayad tum se bhi barh ke comment kar sakta hun par main us level pe nahin aana chahta..na hi is forum pe hamein aisa karna chahiye..baki tumhari marzi hai..

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 10:49 PM

Koi farak nahi...those who participated in riots are individually responsible and not any organization or any political party leader. The riots was not of one sided...we call it a riot as riot when both side are equally involved and in Gujrat both Hindu and Muslim were killing in each other unlike the Sikh genocide in 1984 in Delhi where only Sikh was on receiving hand.

As far as delay in deployment of army I've already clarified that point and how media has manipulated it,. read that post...

Lastly I've already watched all these videos...these videos nowhere shows that Modi was instructing for these riots...If Modi was doing it then why more then 250 Hindus got killed in Police firing??

Have you seen the same number of Killing of Hindus in 1984 during the police firing???? If answer is no then why? because they were not riots that was a genocide through congressi goons

Not even single person prosecuted till yet for 1984 genocide. But for Gujrat riots several personfrom both side has been already prosecuted by the court and Gujrat Police itself completed those investigation.

Bhai..tum mein aur VHP, BD RSS mein farak hai na...I will read more about army deployments and let you know when and how the army was removed..but one thing there was delay in deploying army..when muslims groups began retaliating it was called in..

Baki I would request you to watch those videos if you can take out 2.5 hours of the time..it is a pretty well made documentary covering both sides..Hindus and Muslims..The maker is a Hindu Rakesh Sharma..

raka

July 26th, 2012, 10:54 PM

bhaiyo is modi ka aaj raat raat me faisla karke sona s ak yo pm banaana s ke nahi ......
pahle is modi ta to haan bharwa lyo kade aapa isne PM bana dya arr yo en tem pe naat ja ;)

tarzon

July 26th, 2012, 10:58 PM

Bahi Modi puri thrah tayyar hia PM banan khattar...bus vote dena na bhuliyo abki baar....

NaMo for PM:cool:

bhaiyo is modi ka aaj raat raat me faisla karke sona s ak yo pm banaana s ke nahi ......
pahle is modi ta to haan bharwa lyo kade aapa isne PM bana dya arr yo en tem pe naat ja ;)

raka

July 26th, 2012, 11:00 PM

Bahi Modi puri thrah tayyar hia PM banan khattar...bus vote dena na bhuliyo abki baar....

NaMo for PM:cool:
achha fer to kheench dyo meter ....
m to bhulunga ;)

SumitJattan

July 27th, 2012, 04:02 AM

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swaich

July 27th, 2012, 07:21 AM

Koi farak nahi...those who participated in riots are individually responsible and not any organization or any political party leader. The riots was not of one sided...we call it a riot as riot when both side are equally involved and in Gujrat both Hindu and Muslim were killing in each other unlike the Sikh genocide in 1984 in Delhi where only Sikh was on receiving hand.

As far as delay in deployment of army I've already clarified that point and how media has manipulated it,. read that post...

Lastly I've already watched all these videos...these videos nowhere shows that Modi was instructing for these riots...If Modi was doing it then why more then 250 Hindus got killed in Police firing??

Have you seen the same number of Killing of Hindus in 1984 during the police firing???? If answer is no then why? because they were not riots that was a genocide through congressi goons

Not even single person prosecuted till yet for 1984 genocide. But for Gujrat riots several personfrom both side has been already prosecuted by the court and Gujrat Police itself completed those investigation.

Yes, you are right. The planned and organized manner in which this was carried out was akin to a Genocide rather than a riot.

True Modi isnt proven to be directly responsible for what happened, but his statements, his poll campaigns, and the coordinated attacks all pointed to complicity at the top. Even BJP MLAs who are lawyers are shown defending and fighting cases for those accused in the riots.

swaich

July 27th, 2012, 07:28 AM

tarzon

July 27th, 2012, 09:52 AM

Are you referring here Gujrat riot or Sikh massacre??

Which Modi statement? When you write or claim something....then write with references...don't just write for the sake of writing.

Tehelka is a paid media house....I don't believe in his reporting.

Lastly, every day in every state lots of killing happen....Just day before yesterday in day light there was 7 murrder case registered in Delhi. Is that mean They have got the support of P Chidamabram? Because the criminal was so confident even they are murdering in day light.

Don't give the childish argument to just prove your point. At the time of riot, the rioter don't care who is the CM or PM. The devil sitting inside the human lead the charge at that time.

Yes, you are right. The planned and organized manner in which this was carried out was akin to a Genocide rather than a riot.

True Modi isnt proven to be directly responsible for what happened, but his statements, his poll campaigns, and the coordinated attacks all pointed to complicity at the top. Even BJP MLAs who are lawyers are shown defending and fighting cases for those accused in the riots.

tarzon

July 27th, 2012, 09:53 AM

Yeah riot is still happening and will continue to do so in Gujrat.. You can say anything, who can stop you.

The riots carried on till mid-june in some cases. Even Tehelka's sting operation implicated many VHP and BJP leaders openly admitting to their role in the riots. How could all these people be so brazen and confident if not for support from the CM?

swaich

July 27th, 2012, 10:31 AM

Are you referring here Gujrat riot or Sikh massacre??

Which Modi statement? When you write or claim something....then write with references...don't just write for the sake of writing.

Tehelka is a paid media house....I don't believe in his reporting.

Lastly, every day in every state lots of killing happen....Just day before yesterday in day light there was 7 murrder case registered in Delhi. Is that mean They have got the support of P Chidamabram? Because the criminal was so confident even they are murdering in day light.

Don't give the childish argument to just prove your point. At the time of riot, the rioter don't care who is the CM or PM. The devil sitting inside the human lead the charge at that time.

I am referring to Gujarat riots of course.

Tehelka is paid? By whom? So which media house do you believe in? And do you have references to prove it? So who is writing for the sake of writing now?

His statements while going on his Gaurav Yatra after the riots and reminding people about Godhra to ensure voting happened on communal lines. So was done by most BJP party workers.

And good example about killing and crimes. 7, 10, even 20 murders can be seen as independent incidents. But all attacks happening at 9 30 - 10 am in the morning by people armed with cylinders, petrol and kerosene at different areas all over the city and state? How was that level of planning and coordination possible without involvement of party workers? And how would party workers do so much without the understanding that Shri Modi ji agres to this?

swaich

July 27th, 2012, 10:33 AM

Yeah riot is still happening and will continue to do so in Gujrat.. You can say anything, who can stop you.

Bhai..thoda parh le..time laga aur fir bol...

I understand the state of the country makes us look for saviours in whatever form they might exist. But going for Modi will divide this country like never before.

AbhikRana

July 27th, 2012, 10:39 AM

Well, some people will go to any length to portray themselves as Sickularists, even if it requires to cry hoarse in targeting a particular leader without any rhyme or reason.

Coming of Modi to power at Centre will divide the country?????

WHAT IS THE CONGRESS DOING AT PRESENT???????????????????????????????????????

Dividing the country on religious lines - Reservation to Muslims in education, jobs, promotions. The same very basis on which the country was divided around 65 years ago and these sickularists DON'T utter a word against that.

Shame on the Sickularists!!

tarzon

July 27th, 2012, 10:41 AM

If you can't differentiate between riot and genocide then I rest my case there is no use of such discussion.

Quote his statement...don't shoot the gun in air....while referring he said this and that....

In Asaam in just 1 week more than 2 Lakh people has been displaced, one of the biggest displacement in Independent India. use the same logic of planning and coordination in Assam as well by CM and his party worker...can you???

I am referring to Gujarat riots of course.

Tehelka is paid? By whom? So which media house do you believe in? And do you have references to prove it? So who is writing for the sake of writing now?

His statements while going on his Gaurav Yatra after the riots and reminding people about Godhra to ensure voting happened on communal lines. So was done by most BJP party workers.

And good example about killing and crimes. 7, 10, even 20 murders can be seen as independent incidents. But all attacks happening at 9 30 - 10 am in the morning by people armed with cylinders, petrol and kerosene at different areas all over the city and state? How was that level of planning and coordination possible without involvement of party workers? And how would party workers do so much without the understanding that Shri Modi ji agres to this?

tarzon

July 27th, 2012, 10:42 AM

You are claiming something...Onus is on you to provide reference for your claim...instead of asking me to google out your claim.

Bhai..thoda parh le..time laga aur fir bol...

I understand the state of the country makes us look for saviours in whatever form they might exist. But going for Modi will divide this country like never before.

swaich

July 27th, 2012, 02:04 PM

You are claiming something...Onus is on you to provide reference for your claim...instead of asking me the google out your claim.

I thought you saw the video. Modi can be seen invoking Godhra and asking people to vote on communal lines. Did you miss the part where BJP leaders were seen trying to remind people of Godhra and spread hate? Did you miss the VHP cd ?

swaich

July 27th, 2012, 02:10 PM

tarzon

July 27th, 2012, 02:12 PM

Please post that exact video of Modi or quote his complete statement.

I thought you saw the video. Modi can be seen invoking Godhra and asking people to vote on communal lines.

tarzon

July 27th, 2012, 02:23 PM

In Case of Assam you'll wait for report, but in case of Modi even though the investigation is going on under the supervision of SC for alleged involvement, but you already declared him responsible for Gujrat riot.

In my dictionary I called it as double standard!

In Gujrat first 56 Hindus burned down in train at Godhra station then more than 400 Hindus got killed and around 2000 Muslim got killed....and It won't be called as riots, it will called as genocide...wow what a definition of genocide...

FYI let me help you to differentiate between genocide and riot...

"genocide"

The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/genocide

"riot "

n.1. A wild or turbulent disturbance created by a large number of people.
2. Law A violent disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled for a common purpose.
3. An unrestrained outbreak, as of laughter or passions.
4. A profusion: The garden was a riot of colors in August.
5.a. Unrestrained merrymaking; revelry.
b. Debauchery.

6. Slang An irresistibly funny person or thing: Isn't she a riot?

v. ri·ot·ed, ri·ot·ing, ri·ots
v.intr.1. To take part in a riot.
2. To live wildly or engage in uncontrolled revelry.

v.tr.
To waste (money or time) in wild or wanton living: "rioted his life out, and made an end"(Tennyson).

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/riot

Just read the definition if you've able to comprehend.

While we wait for detailed reports from Assam to come in, we can hardly make a comment on it. Things like riot or genocide cannot be made out so soon.

And read up the definition of genocide and you too can differentiate between a riot and genocide. What hapened in barreilly recently or the 1993 riots in Bombay could be described as riots. While 84 riots, Kashmiri Pandits removal from J&K and 2002 Gujarat are genocides.

swaich

July 27th, 2012, 03:08 PM

In Case of Assam you'll wait for report, but in case of Modi even though the investigation is going on under the supervision of SC for alleged involvement, but you already declared him responsible for Gujrat riot.

10 years and 10 days? Do you understand the difference? The amount of material, eye witness accounts, journalists reports and other material that is avaliable for Gujarat vis-a-vis Assam? Do you still think we can compare the two?

In Gujrat first 56 Hindus burned down in train at Godhra station then more than 400 Hindus got killed and around 2000 Muslim got killed....and It won't be called as riots, it will called as genocide...wow what a definition of genocide...

FYI let me help you to differentiate between genocide and riot...

"genocide"

The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/genocide

"riot "

n.1. A wild or turbulent disturbance created by a large number of people.
2. Law A violent disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled for a common purpose.
3. An unrestrained outbreak, as of laughter or passions.
4. A profusion: The garden was a riot of colors in August.
5.a. Unrestrained merrymaking; revelry.
b. Debauchery.

6. Slang An irresistibly funny person or thing: Isn't she a riot?

v. ri·ot·ed, ri·ot·ing, ri·ots
v.intr.1. To take part in a riot.
2. To live wildly or engage in uncontrolled revelry.

v.tr.
To waste (money or time) in wild or wanton living: "rioted his life out, and made an end"(Tennyson).

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/riot

Just read the definition if you've able to comprehend.

Here's the definition:
The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

The words in bold are what describe the Guj riots.

1. The planning and coordination on the first day itself points to a systematic approach.

2. The scale as you know was huge and included towns and villages.

3. The group targeted in all this was one particular community.

4. They moved to relief camps while their homes, shops and fields were taken over so that they couldn't return and settle back again. Further, VHP activists threatened them from coming back..2.5 lakh Muslim names were missing from the voter lists, as found by EC as they were forced to leave their native places.

So would you not call this a genocide?