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HawaSinghSangwan
July 15th, 2012, 12:30 AM
जाट एकता का अलाप-1
आजकल जाट एकता के बारे में जाट पत्र-पत्रिकाओं के संपादकीयों में तथा लेखों में जाट एकता पर विचार-विमर्श चलता रहता है। इसी प्रकार जाट समाज की सभाओं व बैठको में भी इस पर चर्चा होती रहती है। एकता शब्द अपने आप में ही बलवर्धक है और जाट एकता की बात आती है, तो यह शब्द महा शक्तिवर्धक बन जाता है। जब कोई जाट एकता जिंदाबाद का नारा लगाता है तो लगता है कि धरती और आसमान एक हो जाएंगे। शरीर के रोएं खड़े हो जाते हैं। जाटों की भुजाएं फडक़ने लगती हैं और खून खौल उठता है, जो जाट खून की स्वाभाविक प्रतिक्रया है। हर कोई वक्ता जाट एकता पर बल देता है तो तालियां पीटी जाती हैं क्योंकि यह शब्द कहने और सुनने में बहुत ही लुभावना लगता है।
अब प्रश्र यह उठता है कि जाट एकता की बात कब आरंभ हुई? जहां तक इतिहास की बात है, सभी जाट राजा अपनी रियासतों की सीमाएं बढ़ाने व बचाने में लगे रहे, लेकिन ऐसी कोई बड़ी लड़ाई नहीं हुई, जिसमें जाट जाट से आपस में न लड़ा हो। जब सिकंदर भारत आया तो पंजाब में पोरस के साथ लड़ाई के बाद सिकंदर की सेना ने आगे बढऩे से मना कर दिया था। इस पर सिकंदर ने कहा था कि आप यदि नहीं मानते हैं, तो केवल मैं जाटों को लेकर आगे बढ़ जाऊंगा। कहने का अर्थ है सिकंदर की फौज में पहले से जाट थे। राजा पोरस भी तक्षक गौत्र के जाट थे, जो सिकंदर के साथ बहादुरी से लड़े। जाटों की सबसे पहली पहचान अंग्रेजों ने जाट रेजीमेंट खड़ी करके बनाई और जाटों ने प्रथम तथा द्वितीय विश्वयुद्ध में अपनी बहादुरी के झंडे गाड़ दिए। जाट कौम का पहला ऐतिहासिक नारा अंग्रेजों ने ही दिया : जाट बलवान, जय भगवान। इसी प्रकार दूसरे विश्वयुद्ध में भी जाट जाट से लड़ा था। मेरे स्वयं के ताऊ जी शहीद बलदेव सिंह जी(द्वितीय जाट बटालियन) आईएनए की तरफ से तथा मेरे ही परिवार के सबसे छोटे दादा जी सूबेदार जुगलाल अंगे्रेजों की तरफ से पांचवीं जाट बटालियन में होते हुए मनीपुर मोर्चे पर चाचा-भतीजा एक दूसरे को गद्दार कहते हुए लड़े थे। जबकि गद्दार कोई नहीं था। दोनों ही अपनी जगह सही थे। हम जानते हैं कि लगभग 1200 वर्ष तक खापों की सेनाओं ने देश और समाज की सुरक्षा के लिए अनेको लड़ाइयां लड़ीं, जिसमें 90 प्रतिशत से अधिक लडऩे वाले जाट ही थे, लेकिन जाट शब्द का कभी इस्तेमाल नहीं किया गया। इसी प्रकार सन् 1857 में जाटों ने देश की आजादी के लिए बहुत खून बहाया, लेकिन कौम का कहीं नाम नहीं। इसी प्रकार आजादी से पहले और बाद में उत्तर भारत में जितने भी किसान आंदोलन और विद्रोह हुए, उनमें भी जाटों की संख्या 90 प्रतिशत से अधिक रही, लेकिन जाट शब्द हमेशा नदारद रहा। इसलिए कभी भी जाट एकता की बात नहीं हुई। सन् 1907 में वीर क्रन्तिकारी राजा महेंद्र प्रताप के प्रयासों से अखिल भारत वर्षीय जाट सभा की स्थापना की गई, जो उस समय जाटों का एकमात्र सामाजिक संगठन बना। लेकिन ऐसा कोई इतिहास नहीं मिलता, जिसमें इस सभा ने कोई क्रन्तिकारी आंदोलन चलाया हो। हालाँकि यह सभा जाट समाज के सामाजिक विकास के लिए प्रयासरत रही, लेकिन समय आते-आते इसके भी टुकड़े होते चले गए और साथ-साथ उत्तर भारत में अनेको जाट सभाएं खड़ी हो गईं, जिनके उद्देश्य बहुत ही सीमित रहे और अधिकतर में लोगों को अपने प्रधान बनने तक सिमटकर रह गए। इस बिखराव पर कभी कोई चिंतन नहीं हुआ और इसे केवल चौधर की लड़ाई कहकर पल्ला झाड़ लिया गया। वास्तव में जाट समाज में अपने समाज के लिए चिंतन की भारी कमी रही है। जाट अभी तक देशभक्ति में ही लीन रहा है। अपनी कौम के बारे में उसे सोचने की बहुत कम फुर्सत रही है। इसी बीच जाट कौम के नाम से जगह-जगह जाट स्कुल, कालेज तथा धर्मशालाएं बनती रहीं जिससे जाटों का आपसी सहयोग तो बढ़ा, लेकिन जाट एकता में ज्यादा इजाफा नहीं हुआ।
जाटों के अधिकार का पहला विशुद्ध आंदोलन राजस्थान के जाटों ने जाट आरक्षण को लेकर सन 1992 में शुरू किया, जिसे चौधरी ज्ञानप्रकाश पिलानियां, चौधरी विजय पूनियां तथा चौधरी राजाराम मील जैसे कर्मठ जाटों ने इसे 29 अक्टूबर, 1999 को बगैर किसी हिंसा के अपने अंजाम तक पहुंचाया और जाट एकता का परिचय दिया। यही अधिकार दिल्ली, यूपी, हिमाचल, उत्तराखंड, मध्यप्रदेश और बिहार के जाटों को अपने राज्यों में बगैर किसी आंदोलन के प्राप्त हो गया। इसलिए वहां पर जाट एकता का नारा लगाने की आवश्यकता ही नहीं पड़ी। इसलिए जाट इन राज्यों में वैसे के वैसे बिखरे हुए रह गए।
राजस्थान का प्रभाव हरियाणा के जाटों पर पडऩा भी लाजमी था और इसकी सरसराहट सुनाई देने लगी। लेकिन सन् 2007 में अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा के अध्यक्ष चौधरी दारा सिंह ने पानीपत में बयान दिया कि हरियाणा के जाटों को आरक्षण की आवश्यकता नहीं है। इस बयान ने हरियाणा के कुछ समझदार जाटों को बेचैन कर दिया और इस मांग पर सरसराहट एक बार फिर मंदी पड़ गई। जहां तक रिकार्ड की बात है, हरियाणा में जाट आरक्षण पर पहली विधिवत् मीटिंग 26 जनवरी, 2008 को मैंने भिवानी में करवाई, जिसमें कर्नल हरपत सिंह अहलावत तथा अजीत सिंह सांगवान, पूर्व संयुक्त निदेशक मुख्य रूप से उपस्थित थे। जिसके बाद आरक्षण पर पहला पर्चा मैंने विस्तार से छपवाया, जिसका शीर्षक था : अब बताओ, जाट किसान हल कहां चलाए? इस पर्चे में एक किसान के कंधे पर हल दिखाया गया था। इस पर्चे की लाखों प्रतियां गांवों व राजनीतिक पार्टियों की रैलियों में बांटी गईं, जिस पर जाटों की प्रतिक्रिया एक मजाक के तौर पर रही, क्योंकि जाट आरक्षण को केवल दलितों का ही अधिकार समझते हुए आ रहे थे। मंडल कमीशन ने भी अपनी रिपोर्ट को पेज नंबर 294 पर लिखा है कि जाट पिछड़ा कहलाना नहीं चाहते क्योंकि वे समझते हैं कि इससे उनके स्वाभिमान को धक्का लगेगा। हरियाणा में जाट आरक्षण पर मेरा पहला बयान 14 फरवरी, 2008 को दैनिक जागरण में छपा। इससे पहले मैंने इस बारे में चौ. दारासिंह को छोडक़र कभी किसी का बयान नहीं पढ़ा, जो नकारात्मक था। इस आंदोलन के पीछे मेरी एक निजी बड़ी घटना काम कर रही थी, जो अगस्त, 1969 से मेरे दिल और दिमाग में बैठी हुई थी। जब अगस्त, 1969 में मैंने बीए पास करने के बाद सीआरपीएफ में डीएसपी(वर्तमान में सहायक कमांडेंट)पद के लिए परीक्षा में बैठा तो शारीरिक परीक्षा में मेरा तीसरा स्थान होते हुए भी चयन नहीं हो पाया था, जबकि एक बाल्मीकि लडक़ा, जो शारीरिक परीक्षा में मुझसे बहुत पीछे था तथा बीए में उसके भी वही विषय थे, जो मेरे थे, लेकिन उसके कुल अंक 41 प्रतिशत थे, जबकि मेरे 43 प्रतिशत थे। हम दोनों ने ही पंजाब विश्वविद्यालय से बीए पास किया था। लेकिन आरक्षण की वजह से उसका चयन हो गया और मैं रह गया तथा आखिर में कर्नल रिसाल सिंह वर्तमान में सांगवान खाप के प्रधान की सलाह पर मैंने अक्टूबर, 1969 में हवलदार का पद स्वीकार किया। सबसे ज्यादा कष्ट तब हुआ, जब मंडल कमीशन लागू होने पर हमारे समान जातियों को पिछड़ा मान लिया गया और उनके लडक़ों की बैकलॉग भर्ती मुझे अपनी कलम से करनी पड़ी, जिसमें जाटों के बच्चे नदारद थे। इस घटना ने मेरी अगस्त, 1969 की यादगार को और गहरे से दिल और दिमाग में बिठा दिया। यही बात थी कि सेवानिवृत होने के बाद मैंने जाट आरक्षण पर आंदोलन करने की ठानी थी।
सबसे पहले हमने गांव में ताश खेलने वाले जाटों के पास जाकर उन्हें आरक्षण के बारे में समझाया और प्रचार शुरू किया। पहले दिन का प्रचार 3 मार्च, 2008 को भिवानी जिले के गांव बामला, कौंट तथा सांगा से प्रारंभ किया, जिसमें मेरे साथ कर्नल हरपत सिंह और कैप्टन हवासिंह डागर थे। संगठन के बगैर, आंदोलन को आगे बढ़ाना कठिन हो रहा था, इसीलिए अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा के महासचिव चौधरी युद्धवीर सिंह सहरावत से संपर्क किया गया, जिन्होंने हमें अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा के बैनर तले कार्य करने को कहा। इससे प्रचार ने थोड़ी गति पकड़ी तथा आरक्षण पर पहली रैली 14 मार्च, 2008 को जींद की जाट धर्मशाला के साथ वाले मैदान में चौधरी दारासिंह की अध्यक्षता में हुई, जिसमें लगभग 2000 जाट सम्मिलित हुए, जो अधिकाँश भिवानी जिले के रहने वाले थे। इसके बाद जाट आरक्षण पर पहला हवन होली के उपलक्ष्य में 19 मार्च, 2008 को जाट धर्मशाला, पलवल में संपन्न हुआ, जिसमें मेरे अतिरिक्त लखीराम तेवतिया, खेमचंद कुंडू व समुंंद्र सिंह भाखर आदि सम्मिलित थे, जिसमें भाखर को पलवल का अध्यक्ष बनाया गया था, लेकिन इसके बाद भाखर कभी नजर नहीं आए। इसके बाद हरियाणा में जाट रैलियों और खाप पंचायतों का सिलसिला शुरू हुआ, जिसमें मुख्य तौर पर बिहरोड़ 12 खाप, सतगामा खाप, सांगवान खाप, जाटू खाप 84 धनाना तथा श्योराण खाप पंचायतों के अतिरिक्त लाडवा, महम, बाढड़ा, फतेहाबाद, कलायत, कुरूक्षेत्र, समालखा, जुलाना तथा तोशाम आदि जगहों पर रैलियां हुईं। इसी बीच जब यह सिलसिला चल ही रहा था तो जाट एकता मंच, सोनीपत ने चौ. छोटूराम धर्मशाला, सोनीपत में एक जून, 2008 को सभी जाट संगठनों की बैठक बुलाई, जिसमें मैं भी अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा की तरफ से उपस्थित हुआ। इस मीटिंग में एक अलग से जाट आरक्षण संघर्ष समिति का गठन किया गया, जिसमें उनके मना करने पर भी माननीय चौ. देवीसिंह तेवतिया को अध्यक्ष नियुक्त कर दिया गया और कर्नल ओ.पी. संधू इसके कार्यवाहक अध्यक्ष बने, जो नियमों के विरूद्ध था, क्योंकि कार्यवाहक अध्यक्ष तब बनाया जाता है, जब अध्यक्ष का चुनाव न हो पाया हो। यह पहली गलती थी। उसके बाद इसी मीटिंग में जाट ज्योति के संपादक प्रोफेसर जे.के. गहलावत, पर अनर्गल आरोप लगाए गए, जिनका वहां पर कोई आधार नहीं था। न ही वहां का यह विषय था। इसीलिए वास्तव में इस मीटिंग का ध्येय तो वहीं असफल हो गया था, लेकिन जाट एकता के नाम पर हमारे संगठन ने इनके साथ पांच मीटिंग मन मसोसकर की। जब हमने देखा कि हर मीटिंग में धड़ाधड़ चंदे की रसीद बुके बांटी जा रही हैं और संगठन का वास्तविक अध्यक्ष तेवतिया साहब न होकर संधू साहब बन गए हैं, तो हमने इनसे किनारा कर लिया। हालाँकि हमने कभी भी मीडिया के माध्यम से उनका विरोध नहीं किया। परिणामस्वरूप, इस संगठन की रोहतक और जींद की रैलियां सफल रहीं। जब ये उजागर हो गया कि हम इनके साथ नहीं हैं तो उसके बाद लोगों ने इनके पास आना कम कर दिया और आखिरकार तंग आकर तेवतिया साहब ने भी एक दिन इस्तीफा दे दिया तथा जाट एकता पर फिर से एक बार प्रश्रचिन्ह लग गया।

HawaSinghSangwan
July 15th, 2012, 12:31 AM
अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा की ओर से हरियाणा राज्य में जाट आरक्षण के प्रचार की जिम्मेवारी मुझे दी गई थी तथा उत्तर प्रदेश की जिम्मेवारी यशपाल मलिक को दी गई, जो उस समय इस सभा के सचिव थे। 8 फरवरी, 2009 को उत्तरप्रदेश के मेरठ में जाटों की ऐतिहासिक रैली हुई, जिसमें लगभग साढ़े तीन लाख से लेकर साढ़े चार लाख तक जाट और जाटनियां थीं, जिसमें केंद्रीय मंत्री श्रीमति रेणुका चौधरी, चौ. अजीत सिंह, चौ. दारा सिंह के अतिरिक्त उत्तरप्रदेश की सभी राजनीतिक पार्टियों के जाट नेता एक साथ मंच पर उपस्थित थे, जहां पर चौधरी अजीत सिंह ने जाटों को भरोसा दिलाया कि जब भी कभी सत्ता में आएंगे, जाट समाज को आरक्षण दिलवाकर ही रहेंगे। वहां मुझे भी दो मिनट बोलने का समय दिया गया। इसके बाद इतनी बड़ी रैली कभी नहीं हुई। इससे पहले राजस्थान के जाट जयपुर में लगभग तीन लाख की संख्या में इकट्ठे हुए थे। इसके बाद जब कर्नल संधू ने 2009 के चुनाव में मीडिया के माध्यम से एनडीए को वोट डालने की अपील की, तो हमारे एकता के दरवाजे उनके साथ हमेशा के लिए बंद हो गए क्योंकि हमारा शुरू से ही यह सिद्धांत था कि हम किसी भी राजनीतिक पार्टी का समर्थन या विरोध नहीं करेंगे। हम केवल सरकारों से संघर्ष करेंगे, चाहे वहां किसी भी पार्टी की सरकार क्यों न हो। लेकिन जो नेता हमें आरक्षण देगा या दिलाएगा, उसका हम समर्थन जरूर करेंगे, चाहे वह किसी भी पार्टी का हो। दूसरा हमारा सिद्धांत यह है कि हम चंदे के लिए रसीद बुके छापकर चंदा इकट्ठा नहीं करेंगे। इस प्रकार कर्नल संधू की समिति ने दोनों ही सिद्धांतों का उल्लंघन किया। इसीलिए उनके साथ समझौता होने का प्रश्र ही नहीं रहा। इसी बीच इनके संगठन के महासचिव डॉ. ओमप्रकाश धनखड़ पैसों की रसीदों के मामले में उनका साथ छोड़ गए और उसके बाद एक के बाद एक वहां से लोग निकलते चले गए। याद रहे, किसी भी सामाजिक संगठन में सभी राजनीतिक पार्टियों के लोग होते हैं और होने भी चाहिएं, लेकिन जब किसी एक पार्टी का समर्थन या विरोध की बात आएगी, तो यह लाजमी है कि वह संगठन अपने आप ही समाप्त हो जाएगा। इसीलिए हमारे लिए सामाजिक संगठन पहले और पार्टी बाद में होनी चाहिए और किसी भी पार्टी का समर्थन या विरोध करना आत्मघाती है।
इसी प्रकार मार्च, 2008 से लेकर मार्च, 2009 तक लगभग एक वर्ष तक चौधरी युद्धवीर सिंह सहरावत ने सभी रैलियों में आकर बड़े प्रभावशाली भाषण दिए, जो लोगों ने बहुत सराहे और इन्होंने जाटों को बहुत प्रभावित किया। लेकिन चौ. युद्धवीर सिंह भी वही गलती कर बैठे, जो कर्नल ओ.पी. संधू ने की थी क्योंकि अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा ने समाचार पत्रों के द्वारा यह बयान दे दिया की यह सभा चुनाव में कांग्रेस का समर्थन करेगी। इसलिए हम इस सभा से भी अलग हो गए। मैं यहां यह याद दिलाना चाहूंगा कि 8 फरवरी, 2009 की मेरठ रैली से ही चौ. युद्धवीर सिंह तथा यशपाल मलिक के आपसी संबंध रैली की सफलता पर श्रेय लेने के लिए खटास भरे हो गए थे। जब कर्नल संधू और चौ. युद्धवीर सिंह के राजनीतिक बयानों से मैं निराश हुआ तो मैंने यशपाल मलिक से बात की कि वे अलग से एक संघर्ष समिति बनाएं, लेकिन उस समय उन्होंने कहा कि अभी ऐसी कोई बात नहीं करनी चाहिए, वर्ना हमें अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा से अलग कर दिया जाएगा। हालाँकि मैं अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा का कोई पदाधिकारी नहीं था। इन हालातों को देखते हुए मुझे बहुत दु:ख हुआ क्योंकि तीन कारणों से मैं अपने बल पर संगठन खड़ा करने में सक्षम नहीं था। पहला कारण, मेरी मधुमेह की बीमारी, दूसरा बढ़ती हुई उम्र, तीसरा पैसे की कमी। लेकिन हमने फिर भी अपने क्षेत्र में अपने तरीके से प्रचार अभियान जारी रखा। इससे पहले हमने हरियाणा के मुख्यमंत्री भूपेंद्र सिंह हुड्डा के नाम एक बहुत बड़ा हिंदी और अंग्रेजी में ज्ञापन तैयार किया, जिसकी प्रतियां हरियाणा के सभी विधायको व मंत्रियों व केंद्र में सभी जाट सांसदों व मंत्रियों के नाम डाक द्वारा भेजे गए और इसकी भी लाखों प्रतियां जगह-जगह बंटवाईं। इसके लिए अलग-अलग जाट महानुभावों ने अपना आर्थिक योगदान भी दिया। लेकिन इसका प्रभाव यह हुआ था कि 3 सितंबर, 2008 को जाट आरक्षण का मुद्दा पहली बार प्रोफेसर छत्तरपाल ने हरियाणा सदन में उठाया तथा तत्कालीन सांसद किशन सिंह सांगवान ने 19 फरवरी, 2009 में संसद में उठाया। लेकिन अफसोस है कि इन्हीं जाट नेताओं को जाटों ने ही चुनाव में हरा दिया और यही इनको जाट समाज ने तोहफा दिया। लेकिन जाट फिर भी एकता की बात करते रहे। इसी बीच एक दिन हम एक जाट नेता से जाट आरक्षण के लिए समर्थन और सहयोग मांगने गए तो उन्होंने कहा कि पहले हम सभी जाट एक हो जाएं। इस पर हमने उनसे प्रार्थना की कि आप केवल पांच जाटों को चौधरी अजीत सिंह, चौधरी भूपेंद्र सिंह हुड्डा, चौधरी ओमप्रकाश चौटाला, सरदार प्रकाश सिंह बादल तथा कैप्टन अमरिंद्र सिंह को इकठ्ठा कर दें तो हम पांच करोड़ जाटों को इकठ्ठा कर सकते हैं। इस पर नेताजी मुस्कराकर रह गए। इसके बाद का कुछ समय निराशाजनक रहा। इस अवधि में हमारे साथ बहुत जाट भाई जुड़े और चले गए, क्योंकि कुछ लोग यह समझकर जोश में आते हैं कि आरक्षण बड़ा जल्दी हो जाएगा, जबकि ऐसे आंदोलनों में लंबे संघर्ष की आवश्यकता होती है।
(करमश:)

DrRajpalSingh
July 15th, 2012, 02:18 AM
.......
......दूसरा हमारा सिद्धांत यह है कि हम चंदे के लिए रसीद बुके छापकर चंदा इकट्ठा नहीं करेंगे। इस प्रकार कर्नल संधू की समिति ने दोनों ही सिद्धांतों का उल्लंघन किया। इसीलिए उनके साथ समझौता होने का प्रश्र ही नहीं रहा। इसी बीच इनके संगठन के महासचिव डॉ. ओमप्रकाश धनखड़ पैसों की रसीदों के मामले में उनका साथ छोड़ गए और उसके बाद एक के बाद एक वहां से लोग निकलते चले गए। .... (करमश:)

Chaudhary Sahib, Your efforts are laudable more so because of your advanced age and 'sugar problem' you have been active to achieve your mission.

But pardon me to say that it is strange to know that you and O P Dhankhar parted company with the persons, who collected money for carrying on the campaign by providing receipts for the donations. What wrong do you perceive in this method of collection of funds as it is universally applied for all types of fund raising and is helpful in conciliation of accounts in a transparent manner?

Thanks

Fateh
July 15th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Mr Hawa singh ji thanks for your your efforts on jat reservation, but it is not true that you only started this moment in Haryana, Brother, when mr tevetia was elected president, I was very much present on the stage and if you remember, you came to me when we were having lunch and your friends explained your efforts to me and I pledged support of our kharb khap, The voice for jat reservation in Haryana was raised much earlier even ch Hukam singh tried, the voice became little loud after yadav etc were included in OBC many people were working and still working, but certainly they could not got their efforts documented like you, The fact is that you have entered in the field much later, I am unable to understand the aim of this post here, I think such self praise posts may go against your efforts and sincerity, As you know at Hisar people revolted and what they did you know batter, so please keep on working people will recognize your service to the community, let the people praise that will be batter. Please pardon me

DrRajpalSingh
July 15th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Friends,

Pahale kaun aur baad mein Kaun? is not the question to be debated at this crucial occasion. We all must unite to show our strong points as why the Jats deserve a fair treatment under the land of the law and Constitution including settling the issue of OBC demand once for all times to come in reasonable time limit!

VirJ
July 15th, 2012, 12:23 PM
I dont think its a good idea to accuse someone like this publicly. Not sure what is the purpose but generally people dont believe one sided story. Let people judge themself. Sometime you have to sacrifice your personal preference for the greater goal. If you are doing self less service please continue to do so people will come and go that always happen. People dont win a mission it is the dedicated efforts who do it. Even Subash chander Bose and Gandhi had parted. I know sometime criticism doesnt go well but still.

vicky84
July 15th, 2012, 12:54 PM
The voice for jat reservation in Haryana was raised much earlier even ch Hukam singh tried, the voice became little loud after yadav etc were included in OBC many people were working and still working, but certainly they could not got their efforts documented like you,

I think at that time there was no Internet existed. That's why they could not document much. But if you look at other Jat leader, "YashPal Malik"(IMHO, an Opportunist JAT leader), you will find him advertising everywhere.

ravinderjeet
July 15th, 2012, 12:58 PM
आड़े-ए चार बंदयाँ ने रोला पा दिया | के एक्का होणा स | बखत खोणा स |

puneetlakra
July 15th, 2012, 01:06 PM
" Ekta ki baat or sangwan sahib khud har baar kisi na kisi se alag ho jate hai "

Fateh
July 15th, 2012, 03:33 PM
Dear Dr Rajpal, neither my aim is to disunite people nor I am in different group, In fact I always stood with Mr Hawa singh, Col sandhu approched me along with Gen KHARB for supporting his group, He said that he is senior and Hawa SINGH MUST follow him but I clearly refused and told him that we all must be together. But dear one should not blame others like this and must not raise self on the cost of others, you will agree that mr sandhu, malik etc must have contributed some if not equal to Mr HawaSINGH, RAJPAL YOU ARE IN Haryana you have interest in these matters, you tell me is Mr Hawa singh only a person who started this moment, we had been and are with him. Brother, we all know who has done what, we are doing such service without any gain including fame and mr Hawa SINGH himself had been saying so, than what is aim of this kind of marketing, Now in these days every body understands and I can tell you such efforts always lower the immage of a person concern, In any case his son and mr sura do not allow any opportunity to go to high light even smallest his efforts so there is no need of such post. Again these are my personal views, I may or may not be correct.

Vinodbalyan
July 15th, 2012, 07:55 PM
Excellent, i agree with you.

VivekGathwala
July 15th, 2012, 08:57 PM
is article ke title 'jat ekta ka alap' ya is article ko padhne ke baad mujhe to yahi samajh ayaa h ki isme sangwan sir apne exp se shayad yah samjhana chahte h ki jat ekta kya hoti h , yah kaise tutti h .
isme do political leaders ka b bataya h ki in leaders ne assembly me jat ki baat ki jato ne unhe hi hara diya . ajeeb ekta h jato ki jo inki baat kare unhe hi hara dete h !!!

puneetlakra
July 15th, 2012, 10:06 PM
Kya inki koi underhand deal mr hooda(cm) se hui hai.
Innka Beta food inspector / food supply inspector laga hai, kab or kaise ye bataye forum ko." aisa log kehte hai jo inke saath rehte the aur inka waada auro ke baccho ko lag wane ka tha aisa bhi batate hai?

DrRajpalSingh
July 15th, 2012, 10:38 PM
Dear Dr Rajpal, neither my aim is to disunite people nor I am in different group, In fact I always stood with Mr Hawa singh, Col sandhu approched me along with Gen KHARB for supporting his group, He said that he is senior and Hawa SINGH MUST follow him but I clearly refused and told him that we all must be together. But dear one should not blame others like this and must not raise self on the cost of others, you will agree that mr sandhu, malik etc must have contributed some if not equal to Mr HawaSINGH, RAJPAL YOU ARE IN Haryana you have interest in these matters, you tell me is Mr Hawa singh only a person who started this moment, we had been and are with him. Brother, we all know who has done what, we are doing such service without any gain including fame and mr Hawa SINGH himself had been saying so, than what is aim of this kind of marketing, Now in these days every body understands and I can tell you such efforts always lower the immage of a person concern, In any case his son and mr sura do not allow any opportunity to go to high light even smallest his efforts so there is no need of such post. Again these are my personal views, I may or may not be correct.

Respected JatLanders,

I will be the last person to doubt credentials of the social workers and leaders, so there is no question of reading any other meaning in my posts. They are straight and open.

I reiterate, let us forget about who did what and when did he start or to what extent he was right or wrong. It is the need of the hour to present a united voice for acceptance of our genuine demand.

It is well known that washing dirty linen in public will definitely bring a bad name to the community. Whosoever has anything to contribute in the service of the community is free to articulate his views before the commission appointed for the purpose. Every ounce of information to cement our status counts. Leaders may come and leaders may go but the community must not be harmed to settle personal scores and one-up-man-ship tangle. This is my appeal to all brothers and sisters to come, join and strengthen the demand for OBC in whatever manner and banner of your choice; but do contribute your mite!
Jai Hind.

VivekGathwala
July 15th, 2012, 11:29 PM
इसके अतिरिक्त नरेन्द्र खरब, चौ० ओमप्रकाश ग्रेवाल बामलिया, चौ० वेदपाल सांगवान बहादुरगढ़, चौ० राममेहर ठेकेदार सिवाड़ा, चौ० ओमप्रकाश मान बी.जे..पी., चौ० दिलबाग सिंह सांगवान गैस एजेंसी (बिरही कलां), चौ० सुरेन्द्र सिंह ठेकेदार उन्हाणी, प्रकाश ठेकेदार सिवाड़ा, अजय सांगवान एडवोकेट बादल तथा सुखबीर सिंह हुड्डा गांव सांघी व बलजीत सिंह झोझूकलां के नाम उल्लेखनीय हैं जिन्होंने पोस्टर आदि छपवाने के लिए आर्थिक योगदान दिया है। 8 फरवरी 2009 को जाट जागृति अभियान का एक साल पूरा हुआ। उसके बाद सरकारी जागृति अभियान चलेगा।


Fateh ji Praise ki baat to koi nahi hawa singh ji ne to bahut lagon ka naam liya hai apni kitab ASLI LUTERE KAAUN ? MAI jinhone unka is kam m sath diya h usme kuch log jatland ke bhi hai jaise ki narender kharb ji , sukhbir hooda ji

or unhone apni kitab m ye bhi likha h ki jis jis ne andolan m unka sath diya h unka parichay vo apni kitan jo ki is andolan ke bare m likhenge zaroor karenge


is article mai mere khayal se sangwan sahb ne apne nazariye se Jat Unity ke baare m likha h na ki apne baree main

VivekGathwala
July 15th, 2012, 11:32 PM
Kya inki koi underhand deal mr hooda(cm) se hui hai.
Innka Beta food inspector / food supply inspector laga hai, kab or kaise ye bataye forum ko." aisa log kehte hai jo inke saath rehte the aur inka waada auro ke baccho ko lag wane ka tha aisa bhi batate hai?


Is desh main bawlikhodoon ki kami nahi h lakra sahb .
hawa singh ji ke 2
chore h Unki umar likad chuki h potte mere khayal t 2/3 main honge unki deal hogayi ho t va nyari baat s

DrRajpalSingh
July 16th, 2012, 12:39 AM
अखिल भारतीय जाट सभा की ओर से हरियाणा राज्य में जाट आरक्षण के प्रचार की जिम्मेवारी मुझे दी गई थी तथा उत्तर प्रदेश की जिम्मेवारी यशपाल मलिक को दी गई, जो उस समय इस सभा के सचिव थे।
......... इसका प्रभाव यह हुआ था कि 3 सितंबर, 2008 को जाट आरक्षण का मुद्दा पहली बार प्रोफेसर छत्तरपाल ने हरियाणा सदन में उठाया तथा तत्कालीन सांसद किशन सिंह सांगवान ने 19 फरवरी, 2009 में संसद में उठाया। लेकिन अफसोस है कि इन्हीं जाट नेताओं को जाटों ने ही चुनाव में हरा दिया और यही इनको जाट समाज ने तोहफा दिया।
(करमश:)

None of the persons named above were first or second.

The real position is :

Chaudhary Devi Lal,CM, Haryana appointed Justice Grewal Commission to consider the case of Jat OBC claim along with a few other castes in Haryana. Recommendations of the commission were accepted by Ch. Hukam Singh CM, Haryana in 1990-91.

Fateh
July 16th, 2012, 05:51 AM
[QUOTE=VivekGathwala;311254]इसके अतिरिक्त नरेन्द्र खरब, चौ० ओमप्रकाश ग्रेवाल बामलिया, चौ० वेदपाल सांगवान बहादुरगढ़, चौ० राममेहर ठेकेदार सिवाड़ा, चौ० ओमप्रकाश मान बी.जे..पी., चौ० दिलबाग सिंह सांगवान गैस एजेंसी (बिरही कलां), चौ० सुरेन्द्र सिंह ठेकेदार उन्हाणी, प्रकाश ठेकेदार सिवाड़ा, अजय सांगवान एडवोकेट बादल तथा सुखबीर सिंह हुड्डा गांव सांघी व बलजीत सिंह झोझूकलां के नाम उल्लेखनीय हैं जिन्होंने पोस्टर आदि छपवाने के लिए आर्थिक योगदान दिया है। 8 फरवरी 2009 को जाट जागृति अभियान का एक साल पूरा हुआ। उसके बाद सरकारी जागृति अभियान चलेगा।


Fateh ji Praise ki baat to koi nahi hawa singh ji ne to bahut lagon ka naam liya hai apni kitab ASLI LUTERE KAAUN ? MAI jinhone unka is kam m sath diya h usme kuch log jatland ke bhi hai jaise ki narender kharb ji , sukhbir hooda ji

or unhone apni kitab m ye bhi likha h ki jis jis ne andolan m unka sath diya h unka parichay vo apni kitan jo ki is andolan ke bare m likhenge zaroor karenge


is article mai mere khayal se sangwan sahb ne apne nazariye se Jat Unity ke baare m likha h na ki apne baree main [/QUOTE
I know, reality and people you named, I think you need some time to understand the matter

Fateh
July 16th, 2012, 05:58 AM
Respected JatLanders,

I will be the last person to doubt credentials of the social workers and leaders, so there is no question of reading any other meaning in my posts. They are straight and open.

I reiterate, let us forget about who did what and when did he start or to what extent he was right or wrong. It is the need of the hour to present a united voice for acceptance of our genuine demand.

It is well known that washing dirty linen in public will definitely bring a bad name to the community. Whosoever has anything to contribute in the service of the community is free to articulate his views before the commission appointed for the purpose. Every ounce of information to cement our status counts. Leaders may come and leaders may go but the community must not be harmed to settle personal scores and one-up-man-ship tangle. This is my appeal to all brothers and sisters to come, join and strengthen the demand for OBC in whatever manner and banner of your choice; but do contribute your mite!
Jai Hind.
My dear I meant the same thing and want the same, you have quoted my post but did not reply clearly any of my point, any way thank

Fateh
July 16th, 2012, 06:06 AM
Kya inki koi underhand deal mr hooda(cm) se hui hai.
Innka Beta food inspector / food supply inspector laga hai, kab or kaise ye bataye forum ko." aisa log kehte hai jo inke saath rehte the aur inka waada auro ke baccho ko lag wane ka tha aisa bhi batate hai?
God know what is truth but in Haryana people are talking lot on your doubt, appointment of his son further strengthen the doubt, any way we have to wait and see.

ygulia
July 16th, 2012, 06:16 AM
I could not get what the writer wants to convey, the title of the thread does not support the explanation in detail. Comments given by the members are not in tune with the topic.

Fateh
July 23rd, 2012, 05:10 AM
I could not get what the writer wants to convey, the title of the thread does not support the explanation in detail. Comments given by the members are not in tune with the topic.
What little I understood--The post initiated on the name of sh Hawa singh by some one, wanted to project Hawa singh as a single person to get credit of all effots for the cause and certainly reaction by members will be accordingly

RavinderSura
July 23rd, 2012, 05:07 PM
I pledged support of our kharb khap,
sir is par thoda prakash dalenge ki haryana me yah khaap kaha hain ?

Malikpriya
July 23rd, 2012, 05:26 PM
@ Fateh sir................Sir maine ek dusri thread me aapse aapki is kharab khap k baare me puchha tha par apne shayad wo padhi nahi , isliye yaha is thread par puchh rahi hu.......!!


Sir aajkal khaap k baare me kafi kuch sunne ko milta hai Isliye meri khap ke baare me jaanne ki jigyasha bad gai aur ye badi kushi ki baat h ki is site par aap jo ki ek khap k prdhan hai………......Hamare saath hain.
Sir maine is site par bi khaps k baare me kai jagah padha hai ki khap kya hoti hain, inka kaise division hota hai, kaise kaam karti hai, Inka pradhan kon hota h uska chunav kaise hota hai.

Sir aapne bataya ki aap kharb khaap k pradhan hain to main aapki khaap ke baare me jaan na chahungi ki

1. Ye haryana me kaha h , iska parmukh pradhan gaon koun sa hai ?

2. Aap se pahle iska pradhan koun tha ? Aur iske chunaav ki parkriya kya hoti hai?

3. Jaise maine padha ki khaap kanni or laghu kannio me divide hoti hai ………….to apki khaap kitni kanni or laghu kannio me divide hai ?

Fateh
July 24th, 2012, 05:33 AM
sir is par thoda prakash dalenge ki haryana me yah khaap kaha hain ?
I understand your aim, so you may ask mr sangwan about it, IS it a reaction of my above post, you never asked earlier when kharbs were helping , now since the final out come is approaching you people questioning and putting away every body so that credit goes to only one person, my dear this is not end of every thing, time will give answer to you people soon, god is there for sikhs also, wait god will let you know where is kharb khap in haryana.

Fateh
July 24th, 2012, 05:37 AM
@ Fateh sir................Sir maine ek dusri thread me aapse aapki is kharab khap k baare me puchha tha par apne shayad wo padhi nahi , isliye yaha is thread par puchh rahi hu.......!!


Sir aajkal khaap k baare me kafi kuch sunne ko milta hai Isliye meri khap ke baare me jaanne ki jigyasha bad gai aur ye badi kushi ki baat h ki is site par aap jo ki ek khap k prdhan hai………......Hamare saath hain.
Sir maine is site par bi khaps k baare me kai jagah padha hai ki khap kya hoti hain, inka kaise division hota hai, kaise kaam karti hai, Inka pradhan kon hota h uska chunav kaise hota hai.

Sir aapne bataya ki aap kharb khaap k pradhan hain to main aapki khaap ke baare me jaan na chahungi ki

1. Ye haryana me kaha h , iska parmukh pradhan gaon koun sa hai ?

2. Aap se pahle iska pradhan koun tha ? Aur iske chunaav ki parkriya kya hoti hai?

3. Jaise maine padha ki khaap kanni or laghu kannio me divide hoti hai ………….to apki khaap kitni kanni or laghu kannio me divide hai ? you may go to mudhela kalan meet Ratan singh kharb and seek your cerification, or wait I shall be back in India you can meet me for all doubts

Malikpriya
July 24th, 2012, 10:38 AM
Sir, I have read ur post in a thread where u said that u r pradhan of kharb khaap dats y i wanted to ask u some question about ur khaap ................ if u dont want to give answers then ur choice.

I don't know who is Ratan singh .............aap khaap k pardhan yahan is forum pe hamare sath hain to aap meri ek do baat ka jawab de sakte the. Is Ratan singh ur PA?

Fateh
July 24th, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sir, I have read ur post in a thread where u said that u r pradhan of kharb khaap dats y i wanted to ask u some question about ur khaap ................ if u dont want to give answers then ur choice.

I don't know who is Ratan singh .............aap khaap k pardhan yahan is forum pe hamare sath hain to aap meri ek do baat ka jawab de sakte the. Is Ratan singh ur PA?
questions are answered on the sincerity, some are answered in detail with ful sincerity where as some are just set up call or avoided, as per the understanding of the person required to answer

RavinderSura
July 24th, 2012, 11:15 AM
I understand your aim, so you may ask mr sangwan about it, IS it a reaction of my above post, you never asked earlier when kharbs were helping , now since the final out come is approaching you people questioning and putting away every body so that credit goes to only one person, my dear this is not end of every thing, time will give answer to you people soon, god is there for sikhs also, wait god will let you know where is kharb khap in haryana.
credit ki chhodo kisko jayega kisko nahi aur na hi sangwan sahab ko is baat ki fikr unne aage jo apne kaam mission bana rakha s we shuru kar denge , so aap is baat ki fikr chhod do ....credit ki chinta usne hoya kare jisne vote lene ho , jisne karni hi khuraafat h usne credit ki k fikr ...
hahhaha ab God ka intjar karna padega
God ke batawega m haryana ka hi su mujhe pata h ya kharb khap kaha h , m tosham se hu aur tosham me sura gotr ka ek kunba h aur tosham panghal khap ka gaon h , hamare gotr ke gaon jind me h yah kahin kahin h jaise kharbo ke h par iska matlab yah nahi hamari sura gotr se khaap ho gai , ham jaha basenge use khaap me gine jayenge ...
isi tarah haryana me kharbo ki koi khaap nahi h , aap yah kah sakte ho aapne apne kharbo ki taraf se samarthan diya tha isme khaap nahi jod sakte ....
agar kharb khaap h to fir apko is ladki ke sawalon ke jawab dene me kaisa harj , aap logo ka farj banta h nai pidhi ko batana ....
aajkal har gotr ka khada ho ja s ki m falane gotr ki khaap ka pradhan tabhi to aaj khapo ki yah halat ho rakhi h media me agar koi kuchh le to fer "god jawab dega ''

prashantacmet
July 24th, 2012, 12:54 PM
areee kamaal ho gaya..koi kharb khaap hi nahi hai.???..are you sure sura sahab?.......................to fateh ji konsi khaap ki baat karte rahte hai.?.....baaki khaap ke to chaudhary hoye kare pradhan koni...aur yeh kahte hai ki main khaap ka pradhan huin..kuch doubt to ho gaya tha mujhe......lagta hai fateh singh ji ko khaap ka concept clear nahi hai...............yeh bade durbhagya ki baat hai ki hamare bujargo ko hi khaap ka matlab pata nahi hai aur ham media ko dosh dete rahte hai...........aur main ek baat aur kahna chaaonga ki saangwaan saahab ko bhi aur logo ke yogdaan ko bhoolna nahi chaiye....aur unhe un sabka naam samaan s elena chaiye jo iss jaat aarakshan ki ladai main saangwaan sahab s epehle ya baad main jude rahe

RavinderSura
July 24th, 2012, 01:04 PM
areee kamaal ho gaya..koi kharb khaap hi nahi hai.???..are you sure sura sahab?.......................to fateh ji konsi khaap ki baat karte rahte hai.?.....baaki khaap ke to chaudhary hoye jare pradhan koni...aur yeh kahte hai ki main khaap ka pradhan huin..kuch doubt to ho gaya tha mujhe......lagta hai fateh singh ji ko khaap ka concept clear nahi hai...............yeh bade durbhagya ki baat hai ki hamare bujrago ko hi khaap ka matlab pata nahi hai aur ham media ko dosh dete rahte hai............baaki saanw
bilkul sure hu bhai , aap hi puchh lo fateh singh ji se ki inhone jo mundhel gaon bataya h wo kaha h aur inka gaon kaha h , mere khyaal se yah mundhela gaon jharoda 360 me ata h aur fateh ji ka gaon dist mohindergarh me h to ab batao ki ye is khap ke pradhan kaise hue h , jabki khaap ka rule h ki jis gotr ka bhi gaon jahan h waha jo bhi khaap hogi wah uske under ayega , naa ke apne khud ke gotr ki khaap me , maine bataya ki mera gotr sura jabki hamara gaon panghal khap ka hissa h to is hisaab se ham panghal khaap ka hisa hue na ki sura khaap ke ....

Fateh
July 24th, 2012, 01:14 PM
bilkul sure hu bhai , aap hi puchh lo fateh singh ji se ki inhone jo mundhel gaon bataya h wo kaha h aur inka gaon kaha h , mere khyaal se yah mundhela gaon jharoda 360 me ata h aur fateh ji ka gaon dist mohindergarh me h to ab batao ki ye is khap ke pradhan kaise hue h , jabki khaap ka rule h ki jis gotr ka bhi gaon jahan h waha jo bhi khaap hogi wah uske under ayega , naa ke apne khud ke gotr ki khaap me , maine bataya ki mera gotr sura jabki hamara gaon panghal khap ka hissa h to is hisaab se ham panghal khaap ka hisa hue na ki sura khaap ke ....

be happy, you may have to take second birth to understand the truth, you have shown your real self thanks no more interaction with you

anilrana
July 24th, 2012, 01:44 PM
you may go to mudhela kalan meet Ratan singh kharb and seek your cerification, or wait I shall be back in India you can meet me for all doubts

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anilrana
July 24th, 2012, 01:56 PM
you may go to mudhela kalan meet Ratan singh kharb and seek your cerification, or wait I shall be back in India you can meet me for all doubts

Here is what I could find out about 'Mudhela Khurd', 'Mundhela Kalan' and 'Mundhela Khurd'

http://dwarkaparichay.blogspot.in/2008_06_01_archive.html

Please see Metro Feeder Route serial no. 8

And about Kharb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharb

tarzon
July 24th, 2012, 01:57 PM
As far as I understand the KHAP system...aap phir bhi Sura khap sai hi belong karogay even though you don't lives in Sura KHap village...but aapka gavn Panghal khap ka rahyga....as you are resident of Panghal Khap villages so as our tradition aap Panghal gotra mai bhi matrimonial relationship nahi bana saktay.

If I'm wrong please correct me.

baki Khrab Khap ka idea nahi hia


bilkul sure hu bhai , aap hi puchh lo fateh singh ji se ki inhone jo mundhel gaon bataya h wo kaha h aur inka gaon kaha h , mere khyaal se yah mundhela gaon jharoda 360 me ata h aur fateh ji ka gaon dist mohindergarh me h to ab batao ki ye is khap ke pradhan kaise hue h , jabki khaap ka rule h ki jis gotr ka bhi gaon jahan h waha jo bhi khaap hogi wah uske under ayega , naa ke apne khud ke gotr ki khaap me , maine bataya ki mera gotr sura jabki hamara gaon panghal khap ka hissa h to is hisaab se ham panghal khaap ka hisa hue na ki sura khaap ke ....

bishanleo2001
July 24th, 2012, 02:17 PM
abb to had ho gayi...aaj hamare khap ke pardhano ko bhee apni parmanikta siddh karne ke liye eetna sangarsh karna pad raha hai...... I hope this case is not like Mr. Naresh Kadiyan's "Kadiyan Khap International".......

yogeshdahiya007
July 24th, 2012, 05:28 PM
समझ मे नहीं आता क्या होगा इस जाट समाज /जाति/आरक्षण का? धागा चला कहीं से था और पहुच कहीं और गया. असली बात किसी को समझ आयी नहीं और न ही किसी ने समझाने की कोशिश करी. अगर सांगवान साहब गलत है तो किसी और को आगे आना चाहिए. जहाँ तक समझने की बात है ............ यहाँ बात हो रही है एकता की वो भी बिना किसी चुनावी पार्टी के समर्थन के. हमें किसी पार्टी के समर्थन की नहीं बल्कि अपनी आपसी एकता और संगठन की ज़रूरत है. कोई भूमि अधिग्रहण के लिए लड़ रहा है और कोई जाति आरक्षण के लिए .............. लड़ सब रहे है पर एकजुट नहीं है. ये बात किसी को भी समझ में नहीं आती. हर कोई बड़ी बड़ी बाते तो कर सकता है लेकिन मदद के नाम पर कुछ नहीं. यदि सच में कुछ करने की इच्छा है तो हो जाये सुरुआत यही जाट लैंड से . तन मन धन ........ जो भी चाहिए मांगो और रखो अपने लोगो के सामने जैसे सुभाष चंदर बोश ने किया था तुम मुझे खून दो मैं तुम्हे आज़ादी दूंगा फिर देखते है कितने लोग जाटों का भला चाहते है और कितने अपना . ढोल बजाना छोड़ो ........... ये टाइम कुछ कर के दिखने का है .......... नहीं तो ऐसी हालत हो जाएगी की धोबी का कुत्ता घर का न घाट का .

जय हिंद , जय जाट

tarzon
July 24th, 2012, 06:30 PM
Mujhay ek baar kisi nai joke sunaya Jato kai upar...

"Marnay kai baad sub Yamraj ji kai pass jatay hia...or Yamraj ji lekha jhoka kartay hia subka ki kon swarg mai jayga or kon narak mai....to Yamraj ji nai wahan par aamany samnay bhut saray kamray banwaye huai thay...ek swarg wali line mai or ek narak wali line...ek ek kamra Jato kai liye dono taraf ek sawarg wali line mai or narak wali line mai...aisa hi ek ek kamra baniyo kai liyo...ek ek kamra rajpooto kai liye...sabkai liye ek kamra....to yamraj ji sabki life history dhektay phalay or phir decide kartay...ye swarg mai jayga or ye narak mai....jo swarg mai jayga...usai swarg walay kamray mai bhijwa dete or narak mai jayga usko narak walay kamray mai sabki jati kai anusaar....or Yamraj ji nai Chitrgupt ko aadesh diya kai saray narak walakamro kai aagay pahrdaar khgay kar do....taki koi narak wala sawarg walay kamaray mai na ghus jaye ..Yamraj ji nai kaha...Baniyo kai, brahmno kai,,rajpooto kai sabkai samnay pehraydaar laga do..pher Jato kai kamray aaye...to Yamraj ji nai bola...Jato kai kamro kai aagay koi pahraydaar laganay ki jaroorat nahi hia...ye pahraydar or kahin laga do :P...Chitrgupt nai poocha aisa kyon Yamraaj ji...agar Jat swarg walay kamray mai hgus gay to...Yamraj ji bolay arry bawaly ya Jat hia....inmay to agar kisi nai socha kamra badlan ki to sath wala Jat taang kheech ka ulta baitha lega..kisi ku na jaan dai ye Jat swarg walay kamray mai :D"

to Bahiyo kya sahi mai Jato ka yahi haal hia??? :)


समझ मे नहीं आता क्या होगा इस जाट समाज /जाति/आरक्षण का? धागा चला कहीं से था और पहुच कहीं और गया. असली बात किसी को समझ आयी नहीं और न ही किसी ने समझाने की कोशिश करी. अगर सांगवान साहब गलत है तो किसी और को आगे आना चाहिए. जहाँ तक समझने की बात है ............ यहाँ बात हो रही है एकता की वो भी बिना किसी चुनावी पार्टी के समर्थन के. हमें किसी पार्टी के समर्थन की नहीं बल्कि अपनी आपसी एकता और संगठन की ज़रूरत है. कोई भूमि अधिग्रहण के लिए लड़ रहा है और कोई जाति आरक्षण के लिए .............. लड़ सब रहे है पर एकजुट नहीं है. ये बात किसी को भी समझ में नहीं आती. हर कोई बड़ी बड़ी बाते तो कर सकता है लेकिन मदद के नाम पर कुछ नहीं. यदि सच में कुछ करने की इच्छा है तो हो जाये सुरुआत यही जाट लैंड से . तन मन धन ........ जो भी चाहिए मांगो और रखो अपने लोगो के सामने जैसे सुभाष चंदर बोश ने किया था तुम मुझे खून दो मैं तुम्हे आज़ादी दूंगा फिर देखते है कितने लोग जाटों का भला चाहते है और कितने अपना . ढोल बजाना छोड़ो ........... ये टाइम कुछ कर के दिखने का है .......... नहीं तो ऐसी हालत हो जाएगी की धोबी का कुत्ता घर का न घाट का .

जय हिंद , जय जाट

ravinderjeet
July 24th, 2012, 07:12 PM
भाई विवेक , सारे जाट आपणे बारे में ये-ए उदहारण देवें सें | सब न्यू-ए कहंदे पावेंगे अक जट्टां में एकता कोणी अर इससे बात पे खोंशड़े बजा लेंगे |

tarzon
July 24th, 2012, 07:24 PM
hahaha...sahi kaho bilkul....ek Jato ki ekta jub tak door door rehvay tab tak fad fadaway bas...sub bahi bahi...par ek jagah kathhay ho ja jib...har koi apnay aap ki sabtay bada choudhray samjhan lagay :D

Mere ek relative ki gavn mai Jato kai bas 20-25 ghar hongay muskil sai...do kunbay hia

par un 20 gahra mai bhi eka koi ni...addhay sai jayada gharo ka aapas mai aana jana chut ra...or ek ghar ek party kai sath...to dusra ghar dusri party kai sath...har ghar ka apna alag raag...sub kai sub choudhary :)

or maine aisa sub gavn mai dheka hia jitnay gavno mai gaya hoon mai abhi tak....

ye Jat ekta banan khttar to Bhgwan Vishnu ku awtaar lena padgay kisi Jat kai ghara ma....tabhi sac much mai kuch ho sakya...warna aise hi sar fodtay handyngay hum log ek dusray ka :P


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drkarminder
July 25th, 2012, 01:18 AM
..people please be honest on jatland about ur identity nd do not misguide JL members..if u want to boast about urself...तो ठेके पेर ते एक अधिया ल्यो...दो तीन चमारा ने पकड़ो..अर्र फेर कितनी इ डिंग मारो ,पैर जाटलैंड ने बक्स दयो.. मुस्किल ते तो कोई इसा platform मिला है जिस पैर हम अपने घर पे बैठे बैठे कोई भी समस्या discuss कर सकते हैं और बहस कर सकते हैं ( बिना एक दुसरे का सिर फोड़े ..आमने सामने तो इसमें बी कई सिर फोड़ दे ) और अपने culture का आनंद उठा सकते हैं...
so, members with fake identity or profession please correct urself or leave jatland because a person who is not true to himself can not be true and loyal to jat community..
sorry for going out of topic..

anilrana
July 25th, 2012, 01:28 AM
..people please be honest on jatland about ur identity nd do not misguide JL members..if u want to boast about urself...तो ठेके पेर ते एक अधिया ल्यो...दो तीन चमारा ने पकड़ो..अर्र फेर कितनी इ डिंग मारो ,पैर जाटलैंड ने बक्स दयो.. मुस्किल ते तो कोई इसा platform मिला है जिस पैर हम अपने घर पे बैठे बैठे कोई भी समस्या discuss कर सकते हैं और बहस कर सकते हैं ( बिना एक दुसरे का सिर फोड़े ..आमने सामने तो इसमें बी कई सिर फोड़ दे ) और अपने culture का आनंद उठा सकते हैं...
so, members with fake identity or profession please correct urself or leave jatland because a person who is not true to himself can not be true and loyal to jat community..
sorry for going out of topic..

Please practice what you preach ! Sadbhavnao Sahith !

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July 25th, 2012, 05:32 AM
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Beta, I am out of India on a visit, other wise I stay there only

Fateh
July 25th, 2012, 05:54 AM
credit ki chhodo kisko jayega kisko nahi aur na hi sangwan sahab ko is baat ki fikr unne aage jo apne kaam mission bana rakha s we shuru kar denge , so aap is baat ki fikr chhod do ....credit ki chinta usne hoya kare jisne vote lene ho , jisne karni hi khuraafat h usne credit ki k fikr ...
hahhaha ab God ka intjar karna padega
God ke batawega m haryana ka hi su mujhe pata h ya kharb khap kaha h , m tosham se hu aur tosham me sura gotr ka ek kunba h aur tosham panghal khap ka gaon h , hamare gotr ke gaon jind me h yah kahin kahin h jaise kharbo ke h par iska matlab yah nahi hamari sura gotr se khaap ho gai , ham jaha basenge use khaap me gine jayenge ...
isi tarah haryana me kharbo ki koi khaap nahi h , aap yah kah sakte ho aapne apne kharbo ki taraf se samarthan diya tha isme khaap nahi jod sakte ....
agar kharb khaap h to fir apko is ladki ke sawalon ke jawab dene me kaisa harj , aap logo ka farj banta h nai pidhi ko batana ....
aajkal har gotr ka khada ho ja s ki m falane gotr ki khaap ka pradhan tabhi to aaj khapo ki yah halat ho rakhi h media me agar koi kuchh le to fer "god jawab dega ''


Why should we leave matter of credit, that is main thing, second poit of khap, dear ask your elders, even gotra is called
khap, even when many castes get tother, they are called serve khap so even a caste becomes khap,
I understand well as to why you are talking all this and a jai chand is giving you all such dirty ideas, but nothing will change nor Jai chand will get any thing.

anilrana
July 25th, 2012, 12:55 PM
Beta, I am out of India on a visit, other wise I stay there only

Fateh Singh ji ismey update nahi tha isiliye poocha tha.

prashantacmet
July 25th, 2012, 01:26 PM
Why should we leave matter of credit, that is main thing, second poit of khap, dear ask your elders, even gotra is called
khap, even when many castes get tother, they are called serve khap so even a caste becomes khap,
I understand well as to why you are talking all this and a jai chand is giving you all such dirty ideas, but nothing will change nor Jai chand will get any thing.

Sorry sir but I don't agree . By the above sentences I can say that you don't have even the basic knowledge about the khap system So your claim to be a khap pradhan is spontaneously rejected..Let me say few words:

- A gotra is not a khap.. a khap is a cluster of several villages, they can be of same gotras and different gotras, sometimes a khap also includes different castes too. for example my village comes under CHAUGAMA khap..initially there were four villages in this khap..allof RANA gotra..later on other gotra villages kept on adding in this..now total villages are 40..apart from rana there are chillar, rathi, panwar etc
- khap having a chaudhary not pradhan..and that is not elected..that is inherited..you can not be khap chaudhary if your father was not a khap chaudhary
- sarv khap is where all khap combines together..of all castes and all gotras...soram was the head quarter of sarv khap

So just for the sake of making yourself a khap pradhan ..please don't distort the khap concept

so you can be a representative of few kharb villages appointed by kharb people not a khap chaudhary..and there is no shame in accepting that rather than proving yourself a khap pradhan..that is also a quite dignified post...and everyone can make mistake in writing...so you can say that I am representative of kharb gotra people..that is enough.......

Fateh
July 25th, 2012, 03:33 PM
Sorry sir but I don't agree . By the above sentences I can say that you don't have even the basic knowledge about the khap system So your claim to be a khap pradhan is spontaneously rejected..Let me say few words:

- A gotra is not a khap.. a khap is a cluster of several villages, they can be of same gotras and different gotras, sometimes a khap also includes different castes too. for example my village comes under CHAUGAMA khap..initially there were four villages in this khap..allof RANA gotra..later on other gotra villages kept on adding in this..now total villages are 40..apart from rana there are chillar, rathi, panwar etc
- khap having a chaudhary not pradhan..and that is not elected..that is inherited..you can not be khap chaudhary if your father was not a khap chaudhary
- sarv khap is where all khap combines together..of all castes and all gotras...soram was the head quarter of sarv khap

So just for the sake of making yourself a khap pradhan ..please don't distort the khap concept

so you can be a representative of few kharb villages appointed by kharb people not a khap chaudhary..and there is no shame in accepting that rather than proving yourself a khap pradhan..that is also a quite dignified post...and everyone can make mistake in writing...so you can say that I am representative of kharb gotra people..that is enough.......
my dear, neither i am claiming nor i require any certificate from anybody, please stop this topic, please you can even call me any thing doesnot matter, what i am , i am happy.i am actually not interested to talk further, please stop this nonsence.

kapdal
July 25th, 2012, 06:22 PM
- and that is not elected..that is inherited..you can not be khap chaudhary if your father was not a khap chaudhary
.

Are you sure it is hereditary? I thought I read somewhere earlier that it is some respected elder chosen by consensus (not elected exactly, but not hereditary either). Maybe in practise it is hereditary in some places as chaudhary's son would have more exposure.

Genuine question, lest anyone takes otherwise.

prashantacmet
July 25th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Are you sure it is hereditary? I thought I read somewhere earlier that it is some respected elder chosen by consensus (not elected exactly, but not hereditary either). Maybe in practise it is hereditary in some places as chaudhary's son would have more exposure.

Genuine question, lest anyone takes otherwise.

Ok..may be few centuries ago..it was getting elected..but i know 5-6 khaps around my region..and in all of that ..it is inherited..khap chaudhar is inherited ..but other members of khap can be elected......may be it is not inherited in some region of haryana..can someone enlighten us about this?

puneetlakra
July 25th, 2012, 08:38 PM
Ok..may be few centuries ago..it was getting elected..but i know 5-6 khaps around my region..and in all of that ..it is inherited..khap chaudhar is inherited ..but other members of khap can be elected......may be it is not inherited in some region of haryana..can someone enlighten us about this?yes dahiya khap has pradhan , which is not inherited and in haryana pradhan is called not khap choudhary dahiya chalsa (40 dahiya village ) of sonepat district , In haryana any one can become khap pradhan but with unanimous decision by large number of same gotra another examole is rathi khap of sampla mr ramphal fram parnala village is pradhan but earlier
some other village person was pradhan may this way is in practice IN UP but not in haryana , Chougama ,athgam, barehe, satre etc are bahi chara panchayat or ghawand panchayat not the Khap panchayat , even in delhi, my village has satra (17 village) panchayat but khap is chouhan , another example is one village in delhi named bawana bawani which has 52 villages of sehrawat gotra but local gahwabd panchayat has only 7 villages here in delhi and haryana khap pradhans are not inharited.

navdeepkhatkar
July 25th, 2012, 09:25 PM
bhaii re .. apnne to kime samajh me nahi aay a...... jo thodi bhaut khap ki understanding thee wa bhi jati rahi .. yo thread padhe pache .....

sab nayara nayara raag ched rahe hai .....

kise bhaii ne koi authentic si kitab ka bera ho jisme Khap ke bare me kuch describe kar rakha ho to bataaoi bhaii ...
na to mahri genration k to nuye KAAN FUSE ravenge ...

prashantacmet
July 25th, 2012, 09:26 PM
yes dahiya khap has pradhan , which is not inherited and in haryana pradhan is called not khap choudhary dahiya chalsa (40 dahiya village ) of sonepat district , In haryana any one can become khap pradhan but with unanimous decision by large number of same gotra another examole is rathi khap of sampla mr ramphal fram parnala village is pradhan but earlier
some other village person was pradhan may this way is in practice IN UP but not in haryana , Chougama ,athgam, barehe, satre etc are bahi chara panchayat or ghawand panchayat not the Khap panchayat , even in delhi, my village has satra (17 village) panchayat but khap is chouhan , another example is one village in delhi named bawana bawani which has 52 villages of sehrawat gotra but local gahwabd panchayat has only 7 villages here in delhi and haryana khap pradhans are not inharited.

let me tell about three biggest khaps of west UP desh khap(84 villages), balyan khap (84 villages), gathwala khap (52 villages)..in the two generations i have seen this khap chaudhar inherited...
...as for balyan khap first mahendra singh tikait was chaudhary..now his son naresh tikait is chaudhary....for desh khap (tomar) first sukhbeer singh was chaudhary ..now his son surendra is chaudhary..same is for gathwala kahp but i don't remember the name..and as you told about haryana i am not pretty convinced..i need input from someone else in haryana...

let me ask you few things..u want to say that..

1) a khap includes village sof same gotra..and that off same caste..it can not have mutiple gotra and caste in it..for example...as you talked about haryana..meham chaubisi have villages of several gotra..so meham chaubisis is a khap or not..and please don't tell about thamba, satre etc..?

2) In haryana after a khap chaudhary (pradhan. as u called that in haryana..u don't have a khap chaudhary) abandon his post or somehow he dies...new khap pradhan is elected..and that will not be from the immediate family of that khap most of the times?..if yes how this is done please elaborate?

3) if we have a khap dominated by one gotra..suppose gathwala khap in UP..so if any gathwala gotra village does not come under the region of that khap....suppose that gathwala village exists in the middle of dahiya khap villages in haryana..that gathwala village still will be counted under gathwala khap?


and mR . deepak malik..what is your khap and who is your chaudhary or pradhan...can u please tell..as you are a gathwala and from haryana?

drkarminder
July 25th, 2012, 09:31 PM
Please practice what you preach ! Sadbhavnao Sahith !


..could not understand ur meaning but understand ur emotions..thank u..aapki sadhbhawnaye mere zaroor kahin na kahi kaam aayengi...

ygulia
July 26th, 2012, 06:15 AM
Jis vyakti nei ye thread sharoo kara wo hi gayab hai................baki sare kham khan gootham gootha ho rah hai....................

DrRajpalSingh
July 26th, 2012, 06:29 AM
yes dahiya khap has pradhan , which is not inherited and in haryana pradhan is called not khap choudhary dahiya chalsa (40 dahiya village ) of sonepat district , In haryana any one can become khap pradhan but with unanimous decision by large number of same gotra another examole is rathi khap of sampla mr ramphal fram parnala village is pradhan but earlier
some other village person was pradhan may this way is in practice IN UP but not in haryana , Chougama ,athgam, barehe, satre etc are bahi chara panchayat or ghawand panchayat not the Khap panchayat , even in delhi, my village has satra (17 village) panchayat but khap is chouhan , another example is one village in delhi named bawana bawani which has 52 villages of sehrawat gotra but local gahwabd panchayat has only 7 villages here in delhi and haryana khap pradhans are not inharited.

Excellent and illuminating post !

anilsangwan
July 26th, 2012, 06:38 AM
Jis vyakti nei ye thread sharoo kara wo hi gayab hai................baki sare kham khan gootham gootha ho rah hai....................

उस व्यक्ति ने तो kabhi नहीं कही की गुत्थ्म गुथा हो जाओ.... यह तो बाकी मेम्बेर्स ने देखना स की गुथम गुथा होणा अछि बात स आक नहीं..... या गुथम गुथा की कालिस भी कमान्डेंट हवा सिंह के मसल दयो....!!!!


ट्रक ठेलिया पे एक बात लिखी होया करे.....जलो मत, रीस करो ... उसका महत्त्व आज समझ में आया आक क्यों अपनानी चाहिए लोगा ने या चीज़ अपनी जिंदगी में...||

DrRajpalSingh
July 26th, 2012, 06:49 AM
bhaii re .. apnne to kime samajh me nahi aay a...... jo thodi bhaut khap ki understanding thee wa bhi jati rahi .. yo thread padhe pache .....

sab nayara nayara raag ched rahe hai .....

kise bhaii ne koi authentic si kitab ka bera ho jisme Khap ke bare me kuch describe kar rakha ho to bataaoi bhaii ...
na to mahri genration k to nuye KAAN FUSE ravenge ...

Friend,

Visit Jatland Wiki pages and Library pages where a lot of material is available on the topic including list of the books on Jats and khap system.

Thanks

malikdeepak1
July 26th, 2012, 07:41 AM
@Prashant : Bhai mhari 84 gaama ki gathwala khap hai. 3-4 saal pahla tak Dada Baljeet tha mhari khap ka pardhaan. Ar wo sarv-samatti te chunya gya tha. Hmari side inherited nahi hoti khap ki chaudhar. eeb mai touch me nahi hu iske to ab kon pradhan hai wo mujhe pata nahi. baki mai kal bta dyunga sanjh ne apne dada te boojh ke.

anilsangwan
July 26th, 2012, 07:46 AM
@Prashant : Bhai mhari 84 gaama ki gathwala khap hai. 3-4 saal pahla tak Dada Baljeet tha mhari khap ka pardhaan. Ar wo sarv-samatti te chunya gya tha. Hmari side inherited nahi hoti khap ki chaudhar. eeb mai touch me nahi hu iske to ab kon pradhan hai wo mujhe pata nahi. baki mai kal bta dyunga sanjh ne apne dada te boojh ke.

Bhai shayad alag alag hisaab hai har khaap ka....
Sangwan Khap mein inherited hoti hai.... Charkhi gaam mein ek parivaar hai, us mein se hi Sangwan khaap 40 gaon ka pradhaan hota hai....Filhaal Col Risaal Singh Sangwan pradhaan hain !!

puneetlakra
July 26th, 2012, 09:47 AM
let me tell about three biggest khaps of west UP desh khap(84 villages), balyan khap (84 villages), gathwala khap (52 villages)..in the two generations i have seen this khap chaudhar inherited...
...as for balyan khap first mahendra singh tikait was chaudhary..now his son naresh tikait is chaudhary....for desh khap (tomar) first sukhbeer singh was chaudhary ..now his son surendra is chaudhary..same is for gathwala kahp but i don't remember the name..and as you told about haryana i am not pretty convinced..i need input from someone else in haryana...

let me ask you few things..u want to say that..

1) a khap includes village sof same gotra..and that off same caste..it can not have mutiple gotra and caste in it..for example...as you talked about haryana..meham chaubisi have villages of several gotra..so meham chaubisis is a khap or not..and please don't tell about thamba, satre etc..?

2) In haryana after a khap chaudhary (pradhan. as u called that in haryana..u don't have a khap chaudhary) abandon his post or somehow he dies...new khap pradhan is elected..and that will not be from the immediate family of that khap most of the times?..if yes how this is done please elaborate?

3) if we have a khap dominated by one gotra..suppose gathwala khap in UP..so if any gathwala gotra village does not come under the region of that khap....suppose that gathwala village exists in the middle of dahiya khap villages in haryana..that gathwala village still will be counted under gathwala khap?


and mR . deepak malik..what is your khap and who is your chaudhary or pradhan...can u please tell..as you are a gathwala and from haryana?
First one u ask meham chaubisi , it is not khap pancayat its a collective gahwand panchyat of 24 villages you can confirm it from mr pappu his number is 09213096945 , he belongs to one of 24 villges fall under chaubisi.

Second you ask how khap pradhan is elected it decided on unanimous decision taken by all gathered people on that day , at that many names are proposed by different villages , one can himself proposed his name also but the decision is taken by large number of people who favors one name.
yes if gathwala village exists in middle of dahiya khap , it is counted in gatwala khap not in dahiya khap , but their is local ghawand panchayat where some adjoining village makes it.

tarzon
July 26th, 2012, 10:27 AM
Is the gathwala khap (Malik gotra) of West UP and Haryana are different or same?

Someone says there are 52 villages in gathwala khap

Deepak Malik is saying there are 84 villages in gathwala khap...

so confusing....:nonchalance:

anilsangwan
July 26th, 2012, 10:31 AM
Deepak Malik is saying there are 84 villages in gathwala khap...

so confusing....:nonchalance:

भाई, क्यों कनफूज होवे..... "मलिक" तो "मालिक" शब्द का बिगडोडा रूप स ......मालिक मतलब भगवान् ..... एक इ मलिक बहुत सारी दुनिया खातिर... यो अपना जाटलैंड आला दीपक मलिक.... यो इ नहीं काबू में आवे किसे के ... तो फेर चाहे 52 हो चाहे 84 .......!!!! :angel:

tarzon
July 26th, 2012, 10:35 AM
भाई, क्यों कनफूज होवे..... "मलिक" तो "मालिक" शब्द का बिगडोडा रूप स ......मालिक मतलब भगवान् ..... एक इ मलिक बहुत सारी दुनिया खातिर... यो अपना जाटलैंड आला दीपक मलिक.... यो इ नहीं काबू में आवे किसे के ... तो फेर चाहे 52 हो चाहे 84 .......!!!! :angel:

haan ye mhari dhab kai west UP walay Malik bhi kaboo mai na aatay...par kai karay mhari jaydatar ristydari in gathwalay walo kai sath hi ho :suspicion:

malikdeepak1
July 26th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Bhai "Tarzon" UP me ho ske hai 52 gaon ho. Mhara rohtak/sunpat to Malik ar dahiya te bhrya pada se.

puneetlakra
July 26th, 2012, 10:53 AM
let me tell about three biggest khaps of west UP desh khap(84 villages), balyan khap (84 villages), gathwala khap (52 villages)..in the two generations i have seen this khap chaudhar inherited...
...as for balyan khap first mahendra singh tikait was chaudhary..now his son naresh tikait is chaudhary....for desh khap (tomar) first sukhbeer singh was chaudhary ..now his son surendra is chaudhary..same is for gathwala kahp but i don't remember the name..and as you told about haryana i am not pretty convinced..i need input from someone else in haryana...

let me ask you few things..u want to say that..

1) a khap includes village sof same gotra..and that off same caste..it can not have mutiple gotra and caste in it..for example...as you talked about haryana..meham chaubisi have villages of several gotra..so meham chaubisis is a khap or not..and please don't tell about thamba, satre etc..?

2) In haryana after a khap chaudhary (pradhan. as u called that in haryana..u don't have a khap chaudhary) abandon his post or somehow he dies...new khap pradhan is elected..and that will not be from the immediate family of that khap most of the times?..if yes how this is done please elaborate?

3) if we have a khap dominated by one gotra..suppose gathwala khap in UP..so if any gathwala gotra village does not come under the region of that khap....suppose that gathwala village exists in the middle of dahiya khap villages in haryana..that gathwala village still will be counted under gathwala khap?


and mR . deepak malik..what is your khap and who is your chaudhary or pradhan...can u please tell..as you are a gathwala and from haryana?


Is the gathwala khap (Malik gotra) of West UP and Haryana are different or same?

Someone says there are 52 villages in gathwala khap

Deepak Malik is saying there are 84 villages in gathwala khap...

so confusing....:nonchalance: both are different in haryana malik's village 84 and more then this may be 108 you can check it latlands village list malik's has almost 600 villages in India , you can check it by names of khap pradhan , you find both the above khaps are different ask name of gatwala 52 and 84 may be you find another also. khap does not means all same gotra villages included , if they are very far they make another khap panchayat . dahiya has 52 villages in haryana in sonepat and panipat district but chalisa has own dahiya khap panchayat of sonepat dist. and rest have another . same with maliks , rathi' s have village in UP also but in haryana in bahadur garh 15-16 villages they also have rathi khap, and UP villages also have, same in Dabas delhi have 14 dabas villages have their own panchayat but UP and Rajasthan villages have their own. Don't get confuse identify them with their number of villages and region

tarzon
July 26th, 2012, 10:54 AM
Par Khap ka naam to Gathwala hi hia....Haryana walay bhi Gathwala boltay hia apni KHap ko...or West UP walay bhi...

So I just wondering...the Gathwala Khap of West UP and Haryana is same or different???


Bhai "Tarzon" UP me ho ske hai 52 gaon ho. Mhara rohtak/sunpat to Malik ar dahiya te bhrya pada se.

tarzon
July 26th, 2012, 10:57 AM
I was getting confuse by the Khap name...as both side use the name as "Gathwala".


both are different in haryana malik's village 84 and more then this may be 108 you can check it latlands village list malik's has almost 600 villages in India , you can check it by names of khap pradhan , you find both the above khaps are different ask name of gatwala 52 and 84 may be you find another also. khap does not means all same gotra villages included , if they are very far they make another khap panchayat . dahiya has 52 villages in haryana in sonepat and panipat district but chalisa has own dahiya khap panchayat of sonepat dist. and rest have another . same with maliks , rathi' s have village in UP also but in haryana in bahadur garh 15-16 villages they also have rathi khap, and UP villages also have, same in Dabas delhi have 14 dabas villages have their own panchayat but UP and Rajasthan villages have their own. Don't get confuse identify them with their number of villages and region

puneetlakra
July 26th, 2012, 11:10 AM
I was getting confuse by the Khap name...as both side use the name as "Gathwala". So what gotra hai malik gathwala , ye patent thode hi hai ki ek panchayat lagaye or doosari nahi, jitne bhi same gotra ke hai sabhi aas pass ke village milke banate hai khap panchayat , khap ek medium hai communication ka jo zayda se zyada logo tak decision or mass opinion banane or batane mei . kyoki jat jayaatar ek sath rehte hai (same gotra ke) thabhi yeh khap system start hua hai aur iske bahut sare objectives Raja harshvardhan ne banye the.

tarzon
July 26th, 2012, 11:19 AM
arry punit ji ye sub maloom hia mujhay khap system kai baray mai...par jaise Tomar ki Khap ka naam "Desh Khap" hia...par Desh khap ka naam Haryana kai Tomar village ya Mathura kai Tomar village use nahi kartay...aise hi Gathwala gotr nahi hia...Malik gotr ki Khap ka naam hia (I think so)...par Gathwala Khap ka naam Haryana walay bhi use karaty hia or West UP walay Malik bhi


So what gotra hai malik gathwala , ye patent thode hi hai ki ek panchayat lagaye or doosari nahi, jitne bhi same gotra ke hai sabhi aas pass ke village milke banate hai khap panchayat , khap ek medium hai communication ka jo zayda se zyada logo tak decision or mass opinion banane or batane mei . kyoki jat jayaatar ek sath rehte hai (same gotra ke) thabhi yeh khap system start hua hai aur iske bahut sare objectives Raja harshvardhan ne banye the.

puneetlakra
July 26th, 2012, 11:23 AM
arry punit ji ye sub maloom hia mujhay khap system kai baray mai...par jaise Tomar ki Khap ka naam "Desh Khap" hia...par Desh khap ka naam Haryana kai Tomar village ya Mathura kai Tomar village use nahi kartay...aise hi Gathwala gotr nahi hia...Malik gotr ki Khap ka naam hia (I think so)...par Gathwala Khap ka naam Haryana walay bhi use karaty hia or West UP walay Malik bhijab aap jante ho tab confuse kyo ho.

Rajkamal
July 26th, 2012, 11:24 AM
Bhai "Tarzon" UP me ho ske hai 52 gaon ho. Mhara rohtak/sunpat to Malik ar dahiya te bhrya pada se.

Bhai yo ke yaad dua diya ghani maadi kari in donua ne mere gel byah nahi hon diya kai saal meri Maa Dahiya hai ar Dadi Malik badi mushkil te paar padi hai.

tarzon
July 26th, 2012, 11:30 AM
Confusion is baat ka tha ki Haryana ka Gathwala Khap or West UP ki Gathwala Khap same hia ya alag alag...

mai abhi tak soch rha tha same khap hia...but ab pata laga Haryana or west up ki gathwala khap alag alag hia


jab aap jante ho tab confuse kyo ho.

puneetlakra
July 26th, 2012, 11:37 AM
Prashant ji UP me bhi inherit ion ka rule nahi hai yeh parampra ban gayi hai kuch jagah. ch mahinder singh tikait ki 14 vi generation hai jo balyan khap kai choudhary hai,
pehle koi aur tha , AUR naresh bhi Unanimous decision se bane hai na ki mahinder singh ke bete ke karan .
Jis din yeh sab hua mai Sisouli ke gher mei persent tha vo taikait sahab ki tehravee ka din tha , naresh ka naam ch. ramkaran solanki jo palam 360 ke pradhan hai unhone propose kiya tha aur logo ne hath uthaa kar hami bahari. Inherited ka rule nahi hai , purane pariwar ko sabhi log acche se jante hai isliye agar unka kisi viwad se connection nahi hota tab usi pariwar se kisi ko chun lete hai.

prashantacmet
July 26th, 2012, 12:13 PM
Prashant ji UP me bhi inherit ion ka rule nahi hai yeh parampra ban gayi hai kuch jagah. ch mahinder singh tikait ki 14 vi generation hai jo balyan khap kai choudhary hai,
pehle koi aur tha , AUR naresh bhi Unanimous decision se bane hai na ki mahinder singh ke bete ke karan .
Jis din yeh sab hua mai Sisouli ke gher mei persent tha vo taikait sahab ki tehravee ka din tha , naresh ka naam ch. ramkaran solanki jo palam 360 ke pradhan hai unhone propose kiya tha aur logo ne hath uthaa kar hami bahari. Inherited ka rule nahi hai , purane pariwar ko sabhi log acche se jante hai isliye agar unka kisi viwad se connection nahi hota tab usi pariwar se kisi ko chun lete hai.

Bhai sahab!..

First point : shaayd aapne anil bhai ki post nahi padhi..sangwan haryana main yeh inherited hai..to kewal UP main hi nahi haryana main bhi inherited hai..to baat yeh hai ki yeh inherited bhi hai aur kai jagah chuni bhi jaati hai..dono hi baatein theek hai....aur kuch jagah chaudhary kahte hai aur kuch jagah pradhan...aur jaha tak aapne chuune waali baat kahi..yeh wahi baat hai ki jaise nehru khaandaan ka india pe raaj karna chunav dwara hota hai..congress sarv sammiiti se nehru khandan main se kisi ek ko chunti hai..par wo inherited hi hai :)...


Sangwan Khap mein inherited hoti hai.... Charkhi gaam mein ek parivaar hai, us mein se hi Sangwan khaap 40 gaon ka pradhaan hota hai....Filhaal Col Risaal Singh Sangwan pradhaan hain !!

Doosra point: khaape kewal jaatoein ki hi nahi hai..dossri caste ki bhi hai..yeh rahi rakesh sangwaan ji i post



इस डिबेट मे रविश पूरी तरह दबा हुआ था उसे कोई बहाना नहीं मिल रहा था ,आखिर मे रविश को भारद्वाज जी का सहारा मिला | इसमे भारद्वाज ने खापों का नाता सीधा जाटों से जोड़ दिया | देश मे जहां खापे हैं वह सारा क्षेत्र जाट बाहुल्य क्षेत्र हैं इसलिए लोगो को ब्रह्म हो जाता हैं की खाप सिर्फ जाटों की हैं जबकि खाप हर जाति की हैं | भारद्वाज जी हरियाणा से हैं इनहोने खापों को सीधा जाटों से जोड़ दिया , इनहोने शायद पढ़ा नहीं अभी 4-5 महीने पहले भिवानी की दो खाप पंचायते चर्चा मे रही पहली चरखी दादरी की धानक बीरदारी की खाप पंचायत जो की एक संगोत्र विवाह को लेकर चर्चा मे रही व दूसरी लोहरु के पास ब्राह्मणो की खाप पंचायत जिसने गाँव बारवास व गाँव झांझरा के ब्राह्मणो के आपसी 100 साल पुराने झगड़े को मिटा उनका सुलह करवाया |

Teesra Point: ek khaap main ek hi gotra nahi hota usme alag alag gotra bhi ho sakte hai..jais eki aapne kaha ki ch. ramkaran solanki palam 360 ke pradhan hai..to jaahir si baat hai yeh sabhi gaam ek gotra ke to nahi hai

Chautha point: aapne kaha ki agar ek kisi ek gotra ka gaam dossri khap ke andar padta hai to wo apni apni khap main aayega ne ki us khaap main jisme wo padta hai..jaisa ki maine malik gathwala ke baare main poocha tha..to jais eki aapne kaha rathi khap main bas 14 khap hai..to jo gaam UP ke hai wo rathi khap main kyoun nahi hai..distanc eki to baat hai aur ussi ko aapne nakar diya ..to aapka senetence contradictory hai..iss fourth point ke support main dossra example tarzon ne diya


rathi' s have village in UP also but in haryana in bahadur garh 15-16 villages they also have rathi khap


arry punit ji ye sub maloom hia mujhay khap system kai baray mai...par jaise Tomar ki Khap ka naam "Desh Khap" hia...par Desh khap ka naam Haryana kai Tomar village ya Mathura kai Tomar village use nahi kartay...aise hi Gathwala gotr nahi hia...Malik gotr ki Khap ka naam hia (I think so)...par Gathwala Khap ka naam Haryana walay bhi use karaty hia or West UP walay Malik bhi

paanchva point: ek khaap main ek gotra hi nahi alag alag caste bhi hoti hai..yeh rahi raka ji ki post aur yeh haryana ki hi kahani hai



आमिर खान के इस प्रोग्राम से खाप का मुद्दा एक बार फिर से गरमा गया हैं | हालांकि खाप अकेली जाटों की नहीं हैं , हर बिरादरी की अपनी खापे हैं , जैसे भिवानी जिले में श्योरान बावनी जिसका हेडक्वाटर सिधनवा गाँव, श्योरान पच्चीसी जिसका हेडक्वाटर बेरला , फौगाट दादरी खाप , सांगवान चालीस जिसका हेडक्वाटर चरखी , जाटू खाप चौरासी जिसका हेडक्वाटर धनाना गाँव हैं , यह सभी जाटों की खापे हैं इनके मुख्या जाट जाति से होंगे , इसमें चाहे किसी भी जाति का व्यक्ति हो या किसी भी अन्य जाति का गाँव हो वो इन खापो में गिने जायेंगे , भिवानी में एक ''पवार बतिश (32)खाप '' हैं जो की राजपूतो की खाप हैं , इस खाप का हेडक्वाटर बौंद गाँव हैं व इस खाप का प्रधान राजपूत ही बनेगा , इस खाप में जाटों के गाँव '''इमलोटा, लोहरवाडा , भागवी, सुरुप्गढ़ , सांतोर , निमली , मोरवाला '' आदि सात गाँव आते हैं जिन्हें सतगामा भी कहा जाता हैं , इसके इलावा भी कई जाटों के गाँव हैं जो इस खाप में पड़ते हैं पर इनको ''पवार खाप'' में ही गिना जाता हैं | ऐसे ही ब्राह्मण , अहीर , गुर्जर आदि जातियों की खापे हैं | खाप का एक अपना तौर तरीका हैं , कोर्ट की तरह ही खाप काम करती हैं सर्वखाप , खाप , कन्नी, उप-कन्नी , लघु-कन्नी आदि | कोई भी समस्या जिसका गाँव में हल ना हो वह लघु-कन्नी से होती हुई आखिर में सर्वखाप तक जाती हैं , अंतिम में सर्खाप का फैसला सर्वमान्य होता हैं | अगर कोई गाँव की पंचायत गलत फैसला सुना दे या कोई उस फैसले से संतुष्ट ना हो तो वह लघु-कन्नी या कन्नी के पास जाता हैं उसके बाद खाप के पास आखिर में सर्वखाप | फैसला देने में किसी से भी गलती हो सकती , हमारी कुछ खापों के द्वारा कुछ गलत फैसले लिए गए पर उन फैसलों को बाद में बड़ी खाप पंचायत ने पलटा भी हैं | इन्ही कुछ गलत फैसलों के कारण कुछ लोगो ने व इस मीडिया ने चिल्लाना शुरू कर दिया की खापों पर प्रतिबन्ध लगाओ , अगर ऐसे कुछ गलत फैसलों के कारण इन पर प्रतिबन्ध की बात हैं तो फिर न्यायालयों पर भी प्रतिबन्ध लगना चाहिए , एक न्यायालय कुछ फैसला देता हैं तो दूसरा उस फैसले को पलट कर कुछ और दे देता हैं , अब इनमे दोनों तो सही नहीं हो सकते एक तो गलत हैं फिर तो इन पर प्रतिबन्ध लगाना चाहिए |
अब बात यह हैं की इस मीडिया ने खाप का मुद्दा उठाया तो जाटों ने हनुमान वाली करदी , दूसरी जातियों को साथ लेने की बजाय खुद ही हंगामा शुरू कर दिया जैसे की खाप सिर्फ जाटों की हैं और जातियों की नहीं | देश में 650 के करीब खापे हैं जो की सिर्फ अकेली जाट जाति की नहीं हैं अन्य जातियों की भी खापे हैं | दूसरी जातियों की खापों ने सोच लिया की ठीक हैं ये बावले जाट खुद ही सर फुडवा लेंगे बदनाम हो लेंगे , तुम क्यों बदनाम हुए और वहीँ हुआ जाट आगे आ गए दुसरो को साथ लिया नहीं , मीडिया भी यही चाहता था इनको भी मौका मिल गया जाटों को बदनाम करने का , रही सही कसर कौम में मौजूद जयचंदो ने पूरी कर दी , जिन लोगो ने ऐसी शादिया की या जिनमे कुछ सामाजिक कमी थी उनको इस मीडिया का सहारा मिल गया | इस प्रोग्राम में हमारी खापो के प्रमुखों ने अपना पक्ष ठीक ढंग से रखा होगा पर वह इन बकालों ने एडिटिंग में काट दिया होगा , ये तो वहीँ दिखाएंगे जिससे इनकी कमाई हो सके , इनको इस बात से कुछ लेना देना नहीं की इनकी इन हरकतों से किसी समाज के सामाजिक ताने बाने पर क्या असर पड़ता हैं |
जैसे सवाल आमिर कर रहा था उससे यही जाहिर होता हैं की उसे नहीं पता समाज क्या होता हैं , जिस दिन यह सामाजिक व्यवस्था टूट जायेगी उस दिन न्यायालयों में मुक़दमों की भरमार हो जाएगी | समाज की इस शर्म के कारण ही कितने गलत काम होने से रुक जाते हैं | शहरों में आये दिन इतने उलटे सीधे काम सिर्फ इस सामाजिक ताने बाने के टूटने के कारण हो रहे हैं , वहा किसी की आँखों की शर्म तो रही नहीं | वकालत करता हैं प्रेम की , इसे खुद ही नहीं पता प्रेम क्या हैं | इसको पहले एक से प्रेम से होता हैं शादी करता हैं फिर किसी और पर दिल आ जाता हैं पहली वाली से प्रेम खत्म हो जाता हैं दूसरी से शादी रचा लेता हैं , वासना को यह प्रेम बता रहा हैं |
बाकी इससे यह जरुर सिद्ध हो गया की जाट हिन्दू नहीं हैं क्योंकि वह देश के मौजूदा हिन्दू विवाह अधिनियम की खिलाफत करता हैं , अगर जाट हिन्दू हैं तो फिर इसकी खिलाफत क्यों ?
इन हिन्दू भाइयों के बनाए हुए इस क़ानून के कारण ही आज जाट कौम की किरकरी हो रही हैं |

agar aapko kisi point pe discuss karna hai detail main to main tayayr huin..

last point:..main yeh sab argument apne aapko sahi saabit karne ke liye nhai kar raha ..balki aapni aur aap sab ki kahap ke baare main knowledge badhane ke liye kar raha huin...main aur bhi jo bujurg jaat hai iss site pe..wo apni khap ki knowledge share kare....

htomar
July 26th, 2012, 12:17 PM
prashant bhai inherited na ahai UP mai bhi....teharvi waale din chuna jaata hai.... usi ke bade ladke ko bna dete hai..jhagda naa ho..nahi to bahut baithe rah rah chaudhary banne ke liye..
arr jo 1 bar kah de ki kisi alag ko bnayega to jutta bajega..aur 10-20 marenge bhi...

prashantacmet
July 26th, 2012, 12:23 PM
prashant bhai inherited na ahai UP mai bhi....teharvi waale din chuna jaata hai.... usi ke bade ladke ko bna dete hai..jhagda naa ho..nahi to bahut baithe rah rah chaudhary banne ke liye..
arr jo 1 bar kah de ki kisi alag ko bnayega to jutta bajega..aur 10-20 marenge bhi...

bhai mere..main wahi to kah raha huin..chuna jaata hai..par jab har baar ek hi pariivaar se chuna jaata hai to wo inherite dhoi ho jaat hai..jaise ke ghar ke baabu ke baad chaudhar bade bette ne di jaati hai jyadatar jagah ..par kuch rare case main chotte bette ko bhi chaudhary bana diya jata hai..par best guess to wahi hai ki bada betta hi banega..to wo logically inherited hi hai..theoritically aap kah sakte ho ki inherited nahi hai

prashantacmet
July 26th, 2012, 03:37 PM
came across this article...Best one on khap i have ever read.. just some excerpts are pasted here

http://www.scribd.com/doc/63717338/Khap-Panchayats

STRUCTURE OF THE KHAP PANCHAYAT
According to Pradhan,the Khap could be defi ned as a unit of a number of villages organised into a political council for the purpose of social control. The Khap area was inhabited either bya dominant caste that had control over most of its agricultural land, by a single clan or by morethan one clan, each with a number of villages and being predominant in those villages. When a single clan had only few villages say, four or fi ve other clans could also join into a commonKhap for the purpose of their defence and control over their people. When a Khap was dominatedby a single clan, its headship lay within that clan. When the number of clans exceeded one, theheadship went to that clan that had more number of villages under its aegis.The Khaps could be classified into the following types:


(1) Those based on a single caste and a single clan: In this category, a particular geographicalarea was dominated by a single
gotra of a particular caste. The gotra had a sizeable numberof villages in that area, for example, the Dahiya Khap, the Hooda Khap, the Malik Khap,the Sangwan Khap, the Sheoran Khap, and so on all of which were located in Sonepat,Rohtak, Bhiwani, the districts of Haryana and the Balyan Khap in the Muzaffarnagerdistrict of Uttar Pradesh. These Khaps had between 40-84 villages. The people of other gotra s also lived in these villages, but they were fewer in number. While other castes like theScheduled Castes and the Backward Castes also resided in these villages, the power andthe major landholding lay with the majority gotras.
(2) Those based on single-caste but multi-gotra
: Such types of Khaps consisted of entirevillages which were dominated by a single caste, with some of the villages dominated byvarious
gotras. The Chaubisi organisation of 24 villages of Meham in the Rohtak district of Haryana is an example of such a Khap.(3) Those based on multi-caste and multi-gotras: Such Khaps had villages in a particulargeographical area, of which some villages were dominated by a particular caste and othervillages by other castes but with different
gotras. These different castes which dominatedsuch Khaps enjoy more or less equal status in the caste hierarchy and own the major landholdingin these villages. The Bawal Khap of Chaurasi in the Rewari district is an exampleof such a Khap.
Khap Panchayats in Haryana
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Broadly speaking, there were four categories of Khap Panchayat: Sarv Khap Panchayat, KhapPanchayat, Tappa or Kanni Panchayat and the ubiquitous village panchayat.The Sarv Khap was the combination of many Khaps of neighbouring areas, but sometimesrepresentatives of other Khaps from far away also participated in it. The size of the Sarv Khapdepended upon the nature and seriousness of the issue involved. Participation in a Sarv Khap byrepresentatives of other Khaps was voluntary but only on invitation. Women were not allowedto participate in panchayats at any level, whether it was the Sarv Khap, the Khap (Tappa) oreven the village panchayat. Women were not even allowed to put their views in the panchayat incases related to women. Similarly, the lower castes and the Scheduled Castes did not participatein these panchayats. Sarv Khap Panchayats were held only when some serious issues were discussed.The panchayats were held very rarely. Such panchayats could also be caste-specific.The Khap for a dominant clan or caste included all castes falling under its jurisdiction.Each Khap had a pradhan , which was a post sometimes hereditary and sometimes nominated onthe basis of the pradhan ’s reputation for fair play, his power of argument and his socioeconomic position in the area. Where the matter under consideration was of a wider significance, thedecisions were binding on the other castes as well. In lesser matters, different castes could holdtheir separate panchayat on the pattern of that of the upper caste. If the dispute was inter-caste,it was decided by the Khap Panchayat of the upper caste or clan, in which the lower caste people also participated. The lower castes were expected to follow the norms and traditions of the uppercastes who fell under the jurisdiction of the Khap. For example, the minority caste would alsofollow the principle of Khap bhaichara or gotra bhaichara
. Therefore, the rule of exogamy wasapplied in cases of marriage among these castes.The Khap may be sub-divided into sub-units consisting of two to 12 villages based on theprinciple of local contiguity, kinship proximity and ties of economic and social interactionbetween the villagers. Of these villages, one village is usually larger than the others. Accordingto Pradhan, 21 a group of villages known as
Tappa or
Kanni
or
Ganawad
, have some feeling of commonness that binds them into one unit.These villages can organise a panchayat which is known as the Tappa Panchayat or theKanni Panchayat. These panchayats are open to participation and discussion irrespective of caste.It is only when this panchayat fails to resolve an issue that the matter is taken up at the Khaplevel. There is no hereditary pradhan at the tappa or kanni level. An infl uential person from thedominant caste who is considered a man of integrity and has the capacity to infl uence decisionsis nominated as pradhan for a particular panchayat. Sometimes, lower caste people also inviteinto their panchayat an infl uential person from the upper castes to resolve issues to ensure thattheir decisions gain wider acceptance

raka
July 26th, 2012, 04:27 PM
Par Khap ka naam to Gathwala hi hia....Haryana walay bhi Gathwala boltay hia apni KHap ko...or West UP walay bhi...

So I just wondering...the Gathwala Khap of West UP and Haryana is same or different???
यह तो फिर भी दो अलग अलग प्रदेशों की बात हैं , हरियाणा के भिवानी मे श्योरणों की अलग अलग खाप हैं एक श्योरण बावनी (52) के नाम से हैं व दूसरी श्योरान पच्चीशी (25) के नाम से हैं और यह दोनों साथ लगती हैं यह भी नहीं की अलग अलग ज़िले या प्रदेश मे हो |

rinkusheoran
July 26th, 2012, 09:05 PM
Kya inki koi underhand deal mr hooda(cm) se hui hai.
Innka Beta food inspector / food supply inspector laga hai, kab or kaise ye bataye forum ko." aisa log kehte hai jo inke saath rehte the aur inka waada auro ke baccho ko lag wane ka tha aisa bhi batate hai?

Bhai Kadde mili tanne ya khabar nyu to bta ki hooda se deal ho gia n ladke unke nokri lag gaye???


God know what is truth but in Haryana people are talking lot on your doubt, appointment of his son further strengthen the doubt, any way we have to wait and see.

in one of the post above Vicky already mentioned that Chaudhary Hawa singh Sangwanji have two son(one daughter as well) and they have already passed the service age. As far as i know them even if age was not passed they(including her daughter) would have never applied in govt jobs. Till date they have not even applied for any govt service and same has been said by Chaudhary sahab as well.Either u r not getting what is written here or u r just ignorant. Ignorance is bliss but not always.

Kharab sahab , u have some personnel vendetta against him or something else this is what i can conclude after reading all your replies. Baki Anil Sangwan wala advice hai "जलो मत, रीस करो"

Fateh
July 31st, 2012, 01:12 PM
Bhai Kadde mili tanne ya khabar nyu to bta ki hooda se deal ho gia n ladke unke nokri lag gaye???



in one of the post above Vicky already mentioned that Chaudhary Hawa singh Sangwanji have two son(one daughter as well) and they have already passed the service age. As far as i know them even if age was not passed they(including her daughter) would have never applied in govt jobs. Till date they have not even applied for any govt service and same has been said by Chaudhary sahab as well.Either u r not getting what is written here or u r just ignorant. Ignorance is bliss but not always.

Kharab sahab , u have some personnel vendetta against him or something else this is what i can conclude after reading all your replies. Baki Anil Sangwan wala advice hai "जलो मत, रीस करो"

Dear Rinku, please trust me I was never against and never felt jealous any time till today, betu, i had very satisfied life so far, for your kind info, as a student, i had been a good sportsman, represented haryana into national volley ball competition in 1968, punjab university in inter university badminton, had been president student union of my college and gen secretary of first haryana students union, commanded ncc punjab contigent in Republic day parade, joined army as an regular officer, pardon me when mr hawa singh was a Havildar in CRPF, i WAS a class one officer in army, while in service i always remained involved in public life, i retd as a senior army officer, i retd in jun 2000, had been twoice member of haryana sainik board, member Animal welfare board of India, Weather, kharb is khap or not but I am not heading it but put 84 kharb villages of haryana, up, delhi, rajesthan together and organiged the kharb gotra, without collecting even a single paisa from anybody, after retirement started a business and heading a pvt limited company where thousands people are serving, niether i am involved actively in reservation movement nor i am against it so why should i feel jealous of mr hawa singh, i never criticised his efforts any time, what ever i wrote was as per me in his and interest of the movement , suddenly mr sura questioned my gotra and my humbal leadership, niether khap was a topic nor he is kharb also not right so it normal that i had to feel little bad.

jaisingh318
July 31st, 2012, 10:04 PM
Havildar ......What are you upto?

Fateh
July 31st, 2012, 11:34 PM
Nothing but truth, no disregard yo mr hawa singh truth can be verified from mr hawa singhji itself. i never written earlier but some members have force me to come out with truth, iy is not me but those who are misusing his name, coming out with personal differences by taking his name, friend they should be asked, what they want not me

Fateh
August 1st, 2012, 04:34 AM
I was registrar Central Administrative Tribunal of M P which is legal post higher than session judge, I member bar council of punjab haryana high court, I am numberdar of my village, i also involved in many other social/community service, i have lot of regards for mr hawa singh, so no question of jealousy. but the way some matured people write/comments, can create differences/jealousy between any members, why i am writing because neither i have relatives nor friends/fellows from my village to write for me to influence the opinion of members/moderators. please excuse me for putting across my feelings.

anilsangwan
August 1st, 2012, 05:52 AM
........please trust me I was never against and never felt jealous any time till today.........nor i am against it so why should i feel jealous of mr hawa singh, i never criticised his efforts any time,

Here are some of the burning posts where you have ("NOT" criticized but) shown your love for Mr Hawa Singh :tears_of_joy: >>>>>>>>>>>>




.......... pardon me when mr hawa singh was a Havildar in CRPF, i WAS a class one officer in army .




Brother, sardar (sikh) Hawa singh is there as their rep, participating very actively, muslims representation is also there but I do not want to comment on that, sandeep sorry to come in.



I understand your aim, so you may ask mr sangwan about it, IS it a reaction of my above post, you never asked earlier when kharbs were helping , now since the final out come is approaching you people questioning and putting away every body so that credit goes to only one person, my dear this is not end of every thing, time will give answer to you people soon, god is there for sikhs also, wait god will let you know where is kharb khap in haryana.


I have not understood as to why mr sura has become writer for mr sangwan, is mr sangwan incapable of writing or mr sura expresses his views in the name of mr hawa singh, I feel mr sangwa should pen his views himself so that we are benifitted by his matured views, secondly, I think mr sura you people should stop preaching about religion, this forum must not be misused for such personal publicity and religious marketing, I request to respected sh hawa singh to consider my above post with cool and positive mind and take decision please




What little I understood--The post initiated on the name of sh Hawa singh by some one, wanted to project Hawa singh as a single person to get credit of all effots for the cause and certainly reaction by members will be accordingly

Fateh
August 1st, 2012, 09:54 AM
you are again bringing out one side story, you should show all those posts also due to which my reaction came, and still there is nothing wrong in my posts, it is not he but people like you are creating such atmosphere.

jaisingh318
August 1st, 2012, 10:27 AM
kharb is khap or not but I am not heading it.

In earlier posts you used to claim your leadership as a pradhan of kharb khap, and why can't mr sura question you now?
as you always used to believe that this forum is a family , and as a senior member of this forum one should respect you .......kindly give your feedback !!

anilsangwan
August 1st, 2012, 10:53 AM
..............and still there nothing wrong in my posts

के कहूँ एब्ब .........मान गए भाई..:stupid: !!! भगवान् भला करे... !!!

Fateh
August 1st, 2012, 11:31 AM
In earlier posts you used to claim your leadership as a pradhan of kharb khap, and why can't mr sura question you now?
as you always used to believe that this forum is a family , and as a senior member of this forum one should respect you .......kindly give your feedback !!
beta it is typing mistake, i missed writing word only between not and heading, thanks

ravinderjeet
August 1st, 2012, 11:31 AM
के कहूँ एब्ब .........मान गए भाई..:stupid: !!! भगवान् भला करे... !!!


क़िह का ? तेरा !!!

anilsangwan
August 1st, 2012, 11:35 AM
क़िह का ? तेरा !!!

न्यू ए लगा ल्यो भाई साब...! एब के सारी लिख्वाओगे...!!

Fateh
August 1st, 2012, 11:35 AM
के कहूँ एब्ब .........मान गए भाई..:stupid: !!! भगवान् भला करे... !!!

God may fulfill your wish soon

Fateh
August 1st, 2012, 11:42 AM
न्यू ए लगा ल्यो भाई साब...!
my reply to your white lie should be read by you at jat kaum savdhan after that god will do more Bhala

Samarkadian
August 1st, 2012, 12:40 PM
बुड्डा होना प्राक्रतिक तौर पर अनिवार्य है किन्तु बड़ा होना पूर्णतया वैकल्पिक !

अतएव आइये सिर्फ विषय पर बात करे न की व्यक्ति विशेष पर !

bharti
August 1st, 2012, 01:33 PM
Is the gathwala khap (Malik gotra) of West UP and Haryana are different or same?

Someone says there are 52 villages in gathwala khap

Deepak Malik is saying there are 84 villages in gathwala khap...

so confusing....:nonchalance:


The Gathwala Khap of Western UP and Haryana is very much same.

The head of Gathwala Khap is given the title- Dada.
Dada Baljeet is the Head of Gathwala Khap. He is from Ahulana( Ulhana in Haryanvi ) village in Sonipat Distt., Haryana.
The Gathwala Khap includes all Malik gotra villages... in Haryana, UP... anywhere....around 1400+ villages all over.
Though in UP, Dada Harkishan(Nishadh,distt. Muzaffarnagar) is the head of 52 villages and is called Chhota Dada but this too comes under Dada Baljeet.

Dada Baljeet has inherited the pardhani from his father Late Ch Bhaleram s/o Ch Matu Ram.
Dada Ghaasi, great-grandfather of Dada Baljeet was famous for his nyaay.

The eldest son of the pardhan inherits the pardhani and is given the title Dada.

Dada Baljeet presently resides in Gurgaon.

anilsangwan
August 1st, 2012, 03:11 PM
God may fulfill you



my reply to your white lie should be read by you at jat kaum savdhan after that god will do more Bhala


God - good tein to mein nipat lyunga Tau, je tu mera panda chhod dega to............:) :) :)

jaisingh318
August 1st, 2012, 09:03 PM
beta it is typing mistake, i missed writing word only between not and heading, thanks

What an innocent and emotional apology !!

skharb
August 1st, 2012, 09:39 PM
in my opinion ,
KHAP is a desh(small country)...land of which was acquired by people of same gotra or multigotra people .
and to mantain their stronghold they made social laws as favourable to their KHAP gotra structure.

for example :KHAP'S by gotra name
Sangwan chalisa - 40 village land acquired by sangwan gotra jaat's but sangwan of village kherakheri of gohana follow there KHAP rules of barhaa.

shauraan 52 and shauraan 25 acquired land of 52 village and 25 village separately but shauraan of village milakpur and rakhigadi village follow the norms of their roghiKHAP

ghatwala 84 and ghatwala 52 and dhaiya KHAP on the same base

MULTIGOTRA KHAP after the defeat of anangpaal tomar descendants of tur king of delhi under the leadership of jatu satrolla and roghi acquired the land near hansi area after conflict with pawar rajput exapmle of jatu pawar ka dhola near meham also in history books.

thus forming three KHAP's namely- JATU ; SATROL AND ROGHI
In satrol KHAP there are almost 55 villages and no intervillage marriages are allowed in these. and all boys and girls born in these satrol KHAP villages called satrol ka bhai or bahan

chogama-naungama-barhaa is the secondary concept of KHAP and

GOTRA KHAP as lke gatwala khap of 1400 villages is the later concept 100 -150 years back.

Fateh
August 2nd, 2012, 03:59 AM
What an innocent and emotional apology !!

Who is after whom, is this the way to get rid of, or inviting another punch, Anil, why donot you behave, with your this kind of mischievous behaviour, no body get benefited and so you are, look after yourself, pay more attention to improve your self rather than pointing a finger towards others and remember three fingers are pointing towards you also, so leave Tau alone.

Anil, I am jat, Piar se bol, tera kia yeh jatland chhod dunga

Fateh
August 2nd, 2012, 04:13 AM
SOME PEOPLE without understanding the meaning of philosophy, start exhibiting the skill, not advisable at all,

anilsangwan
August 2nd, 2012, 05:02 AM
Anil, I am jat, Piar se bol, tera kia yeh jatland chhod dunga




.......................... Jatland will be a boring place without you. Pls keep 'contributing'. :stupid: :stupid:

Fateh
August 2nd, 2012, 10:13 AM
.......................... Jatland will be a bog place without you. Pls keep 'contributing'. :stupid: :stupid:
Are you sure that i am a good entertainer, than friend, please donot mind some cost and enjoy the entertainment, be happy, do not disturb others because here every one wants to enjoy in her/his way, no more stretching further

malikdeepak1
August 2nd, 2012, 10:19 AM
तागे का नाम "जाट - एकता का अलाप " है... उसे खातिर रुक जाओ !

skharb
August 2nd, 2012, 09:26 PM
Jat Ekta ka Alap (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?34609-Jat-Ekta-ka-Alap-1/page6)

there are few barriers in this thought because every jat has a chodharr in his blood and don't easily accept those thoughts which he doesn't believe by heart, and this chodharr starts from one's birth
for example:
kunbe ki chodharr
tholle ki chodharr
panne ki chodharr
gaam ki chodharr
tape ki chodharr
khap ki chodharr
if one believes in his religion (particular ki chodharr)
desh ki chodharr
but
.
.
EVERYTHING STANDS APART WHEN IT COMES TO JAT KI CHODHARR

anilsangwan
August 3rd, 2012, 06:28 AM
Are you sure that i am a good entertainer,
No sir, you are not entertainer, Please read again as I wrote "keep contributing" and without your contribution, Jatland will be boring as we will not get to know the depth of knowledge. Rarely we have people of your experience level and knowledge. What was wrong in that? I had decided not to write further after my positive comment above.

But you took it wrongly and concluded totally opposite meaning.

Btw, had I used "कुत्यां का गू .... ना लीपण का ना पोतन का" for you, - I am sure you would have taken it positively and appreciated me for nice comments. Because you take everything in opposite sense.

And yes, like you, I also write now, "No more stretching further". And if you wish to continue, I am ready to respond back. Else, meri aapki Ram Ram !

Fateh
August 3rd, 2012, 08:59 AM
no sir, you are not entertainer, please read again as i wrote "keep contributing" and without your contribution, jatland will be boring as we will not get to know the depth of knowledge. Rarely we have people of your experience level and knowledge. What was wrong in that? I had decided not to write further after my positive comment above.

But you took it wrongly and concluded totally opposite meaning.

and yes, like you, i also write now, "no more stretching further". And if you wish to continue, i am ready to respond back. Else, meri aapki ram ram !
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ram ram to you, and the great jatland, thanks to all for listening to me and educating for few years, thanks again

jaisingh318
August 3rd, 2012, 09:11 PM
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ram ram to you, and the great jatland, thanks to all for listening to me and educating for few years, thanks again

i apologise if i wrote something wrong that had hurt you.

DrRajpalSingh
August 3rd, 2012, 11:36 PM
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ram ram to you, and the great jatland, thanks to all for listening to me and educating for few years, thanks again

Respected Sir,

We shall really miss your learned comments !!! Hope after short break you will be with us with added vigour.

Thanks and regards.