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SumitJattan
November 4th, 2012, 09:34 AM
Black Tiger

Normally the failures of intelligence agencies sounded louder then their successes because these failures causes more disgrace to the nation … Kargil , Mumbai attack are prominent failure of Indian intelligence and their prominent successes are the 1971 bangladesh war and the Sikkim episode and internationally the biggest failure was 9/11 and one of the biggest success was 6 day war . These agencies have few of the agents who works in hostile territories and worked for his/her nation . I am just throwing some light on one the few known successful stories.This hero was named as Ravinder Kaushik and nick named as Black Tiger .
Ravinder kaushik was born in Ganga Nagar in 1952 . A fine actor and his acting skills were used by Indian intelligence to put him in Pakistan as resident agent . He got admission in Karachi university in 1975 and completed his LLB . He joined the pakistani Army as Nabi Ahmad in 1979 and transferred some valuable information during his tenure in Pak army . He rose unto the rank of major . He was caught by pak agencies in 1983 and was kept in Sialkot for two years . He was sentenced the capital punishment which was later converted in life imprisonment by pak govt . He spend 30 years of his life away from his home and family in Pakistan in very unfavourable conditions, only because of his love for the Nation that is India. Indian army killed more than 50 soldiers of Pakistani army in Pahalgaon because they fought with the strategy send by Ravindra Kaushik..


Kudos to his Sacrifice and devotion towards India and my few lines are just a small remembrance from my side to this great Hero of our mother Land.
May his soul rest in peace

ravinderjeet
November 4th, 2012, 10:58 AM
भाई सुमित ,कारगिल और मुंबई ताज अटेक इंटेलिजेंस फेलियर नहीं थे । कारगिल का सरकार को लघभग छः महीने पहले से पता था ,जब दुनिया को ये बात उजागर की गई ।और वाजपेई सरकार ने खबर देने वाले ब्रिगेडियर सुरेंदर सिंह (शायद यही नाम था ) का कोर्ट मार्शल करवा दिया था । अब एक साल पहले उनको और उनके दो साथी अफसरों को उनके ड्यू और पेंसन मिली हे जब सुप्रीम कोर्ट ने कोर्ट मार्शल की सजा को खारिज कर दिया । मुंबई अटेक की कहानी भी कुछ ऐसी ही हे , सरकार में सब को पता था की क्या होने वाला हे और मुखबिर और उसकी पत्नी को अटेक के कुछ हफ्ते पहले ट्रक के नीचे रोंद दिया गया था । देशभक्त अंग्रेजों के समय भी मारे जाते थे और आज भी ।सरकार चाहे किसी भी पार्टी की हो ।

rohittewatia
November 4th, 2012, 01:49 PM
Humare desh ka bhavishya men koi roshni ki koi kiran nazar naheen aati. Sarhad paar harpal jaan ka jokhim men daal kar "Black Tiger" jaise deshbhakt ney apni deshbhakti nibhayi. Aur humare neta kursi garam karte rehte hain. Brig. Surinder Singh ko intelligence ki khabar dene per court martial kar diya. Takht per Kale Angrez baithe hain. Dushman donon aur hai.
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1813/18130410.htm

SALURAM
November 4th, 2012, 03:03 PM
Desh aazaad hua lekin deshwasi nahin
gore chale gaye aur kaale logon ka raaz aa gaya..
Voton ki rajniti ho rahi hain har taraf. Chaye bjp ho yaa congres ya koi aur partys sab ek hi khet ki mulli ke samaan hain...

ravinderjeet
November 4th, 2012, 03:14 PM
ब्रिगेडियर सुरेंदर सिंह जाट सिख हैं । और फौज में जाट अफसरों के साथ दोगला व्य्ह्वाहर होता हे । इनके उप्पर भामण -भाप्पे अफसर बेठे हुए हैं और जाट अफसर सीनियर जाट अफसरों द्वारा ही प्रताड़ित करवाए जाते हैं । और फिर ये सीनियर जाट अफसर भी भाप्पों बामणों द्वरा ठीकाने लगा दिए जाते हैं । इस सब के बावजूद कोई जाट अफसर इस बात को मानता नहीं की उनके साथ ऐसा व्यवाहर होता हे । और ना सुधरते हैं ।इस फोरम में भी कई फौजी अफसर हैं जब इनका जबाब आयेगा तब देख लेना ।

ravinderjeet
November 4th, 2012, 03:18 PM
भारत सरकार की एक ही निति हे :- shoot the messenger !

SumitJattan
November 5th, 2012, 06:59 PM
Ravinder ji aap nein theek kaha ...Mumbai se pehle RAW ne intercept ki thi kuch conversations .. Par koi action nahi hua

as per wiki :


About 2–6 months before 26/11 Mumbai attacks RAW had intercepted several telephone calls through SIGINT[91] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing#cite_note-90) which pointed at impending attacks on Mumbai Hotels by Pakistan based terrorists,[92] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing#cite_note-91) however there was a coordination failure and no follow up action was taken.[93] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing#cite_note-92) Few hours before the attacks, a RAW technician monitoring satellite transmissions picked up conversations between attackers and handlers, as the attackers were sailing toward Mumbai. The technician flagged the conversations as being suspicious and passed them on to his superiors. RAW believed that they were worrying and immediately alerted the office of the National Security Advisor. However the intelligence was ignored.[94] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing#cite_note-93) Later, just after the terrorists had attacked Mumbai, RAW technicians started monitoring the six phones used by the terrorists and recorded conversations between the terrorists and their handlers.[95] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing#cite_note-94) On 15 January 2010, in a successful snatch operation RAW agents nabbed Sheikh Abdul Khwaja, one of the handlers of the 26/11 attacks, chief of HuJI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HuJI) India operations and a most wanted terror suspect in India, fromColombo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombo), Sri Lanka and brought him over to Hyderabad, India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad,_India) for formal arrest.[96] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing#cite_note-95)









भाई सुमित ,कारगिल और मुंबई ताज अटेक इंटेलिजेंस फेलियर नहीं थे । कारगिल का सरकार को लघभग छः महीने पहले से पता था ,जब दुनिया को ये बात उजागर की गई ।और वाजपेई सरकार ने खबर देने वाले ब्रिगेडियर सुरेंदर सिंह (शायद यही नाम था ) का कोर्ट मार्शल करवा दिया था । अब एक साल पहले उनको और उनके दो साथी अफसरों को उनके ड्यू और पेंसन मिली हे जब सुप्रीम कोर्ट ने कोर्ट मार्शल की सजा को खारिज कर दिया । मुंबई अटेक की कहानी भी कुछ ऐसी ही हे , सरकार में सब को पता था की क्या होने वाला हे और मुखबिर और उसकी पत्नी को अटेक के कुछ हफ्ते पहले ट्रक के नीचे रोंद दिया गया था । देशभक्त अंग्रेजों के समय भी मारे जाते थे और आज भी ।सरकार चाहे किसी भी पार्टी की हो ।

Moar
November 5th, 2012, 09:50 PM
Desh aazaad hua lekin deshwasi nahin
gore chale gaye aur kaale logon ka raaz aa gaya..
Voton ki rajniti ho rahi hain har taraf. Chaye bjp ho yaa congres ya koi aur partys sab ek hi khet ki mulli ke samaan hain...

bai G, this country is dominated by semi-feudalists and semi-compradors; and is even referred to be in a semi-colonial state by few critical thinkers !!

desijat
November 5th, 2012, 10:00 PM
भाई सुमित ,कारगिल और मुंबई ताज अटेक इंटेलिजेंस फेलियर नहीं थे । कारगिल का सरकार को लघभग छः महीने पहले से पता था ,जब दुनिया को ये बात उजागर की गई ।।

Mumbai was possibly not an intelligence faliure but history speaks different about Kargil war. Forget Indians, not even Pakistani PM knew about Kargil until the Pak army were sitting on the peaks.

Here is the description from one of the well known paki journalist:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QPeUX3_qfM

Moar
November 5th, 2012, 10:14 PM
भाई सुमित ,कारगिल और मुंबई ताज अटेक इंटेलिजेंस फेलियर नहीं थे । कारगिल का सरकार को लघभग छः महीने पहले से पता था ,जब दुनिया को ये बात उजागर की गई ।और वाजपेई सरकार ने खबर देने वाले ब्रिगेडियर सुरेंदर सिंह (शायद यही नाम था ) का कोर्ट मार्शल करवा दिया था । अब एक साल पहले उनको और उनके दो साथी अफसरों को उनके ड्यू और पेंसन मिली हे जब सुप्रीम कोर्ट ने कोर्ट मार्शल की सजा को खारिज कर दिया ।

At that time, it was the reign of "bharatiya janata party" in 'Republic of India', and the "sangha parivar" was riding high !!


A lesson of the swayamsevaks-in-making !!

SumitJattan
November 5th, 2012, 10:29 PM
Maloy Dhar described Ravinder's personality in one of his book ... I am just pasting his words here .... Ramindera Kaushal is a character in his book resembles to Ravinder.

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cooljat
November 6th, 2012, 06:35 PM
This is enough, dude. Your love for congress is world known and that's ok but now you supporting Pakistan here and want us to believe bloody Paki Journo, Not Acceptable!!


I advise you to read book Kargil from Surprise to Victory by Gen Malik, I don't think Gen Malik need any introduction here. Mind you, he clearly mentioned in book that Sharif was well aware of it and it was Pak Army and Govt's well thought plan to capture crucial peaks.

Few expert from the book - http://www.forum4ca.com/book-review-kargil-from-surprise-to-victory-gen-v-p-malik/ (http://www.forum4ca.com/book-review-kargil-from-surprise-to-victory-gen-v-p-malik/)



Mumbai was possibly not an intelligence faliure but history speaks different about Kargil war. Forget Indians, not even Pakistani PM knew about Kargil until the Pak army were sitting on the peaks.

Here is the description from one of the well known paki journalist:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QPeUX3_qfM

desijat
November 6th, 2012, 08:35 PM
This is enough, dude. Your love for congress is world known and that's ok but now you supporting Pakistan here and want us to believe bloody Paki Journo, Not Acceptable!!
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It only takes a minute to think before speaking Jit bhai.

I am 100% sure you did not go through the video before posting your comment and calling me a Pak supporter cause if you had, you would be calling Najam Sethi an India supporter. He is the only journalist I have seen in Pakistan who has courage to speak truth and I am sure you go through the video your reference point will change from Gen Malik to Najam Sethi because an endorsement from our opponent is the best endorsement.

Here, another video where Najam Sethi says Pakistan can NEVER win a war against India:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpB0PSnoz0



Going forward, I would sincerely advise you to choose words carefully as what you say in haste might hurt sentiments of other people. Thank You Brother and enjoy the videos

desijat
November 6th, 2012, 08:36 PM
Here is another video where he openly claims Pak lost in 1965 and 1971 war, much against what is told to Pakistanis


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAlTqrfRa4

sunillathwal
November 6th, 2012, 11:08 PM
It only takes a minute to think before speaking Jit bhai.

I am 100% sure you did not go through the video before posting your comment and calling me a Pak supporter cause if you had, you would be calling Najam Sethi an India supporter. He is the only journalist I have seen in Pakistan who has courage to speak truth and I am sure you go through the video your reference point will change from Gen Malik to Najam Sethi because an endorsement from our opponent is the best endorsement.

Going forward, I would sincerely advise you to choose words carefully as what you say in haste might hurt sentiments of other people. Thank You Brother and enjoy the videos

Najam Sethi is one of the most of 'hated' journalists in Pakistan. He might appears an Indian supporter (RAW agent, a stooge as many Pakistani call him) but he is NOT a good journalist. He is well-known not because he is good but because he speaks (at times exaggerating trivial anecdotes) contrary to the popular narration, things that hurts the Pakistani middle class' sensibilities (not unlike our very own Ms Arundhati Roy). While this does not make him a bad journalist per se but most of his articles only busts hugely popular conspiracy theories. His article lack analysis, deep insight, objectiveness and for that matter decent articulation!!

Among Pakistani journalists, Nadeem F Paracha, Cyril Almedia, Huma Yusuf, Muratza Rizvi (sadly dead now; murdered few moths back), Irfan Hussain, I A Rehman, Ardeshir Cowasjee (retired from Dawn) and Prof. Pervej Hoodhoy (who writes occasionally) are excellent writers/journalists. Try them.