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DrRajpalSingh
November 8th, 2012, 08:28 PM
Friends,

The Mahabharata and the Ramayana, the two epics are sources of our Ancient History. How far they come to the help of the scholars who are interested to learn about the ancient history of the Jats is the theme of the thread. Learned write ups based either on the research of the concerned person who posts them or the scholarly findings of other scholars are invited to see if we could solve some of the riddles connected with the History of the Jats?

Kindly come forward and contribute your valuable and scholarly views, articles/write ups, information about the availability of related articles elsewhere, your comments, findings and so on.

Thanks and regards

DrRajpalSingh
February 26th, 2013, 10:19 PM
Many places mentioned in Mahabharata have been testified of their presence in those days by the study of the archaeologists.

DrRajpalSingh
February 26th, 2013, 10:25 PM
The excavations of the ancient maunds of Hastinapur in Meerut district, five Prasthas [villages] in the present day state of Haryana demanded by the Pandavas from Dharitrastra and Duryodhan have been identified. In the same way, Dwarkika belonging to Sri Krishana has also been identified in the sea near sea shore of Gujrat. This means that Mahabharata is not completely a mythical epic, rather it contains historical narration too which must be taken into consideration after due verification.

DrRajpalSingh
February 27th, 2013, 06:11 PM
Archaeology is such a branch of research as has turned many myths into history and also many 'historical facts' into myths. The Epics which were considered ahistorical by many an authors are turning into a good source of historical events and people in the context of Indian history by the dint of the hard work put in by the archaeologists over the years.

desijat
February 27th, 2013, 09:06 PM
Lakshagrah in Barnawa(Dist Bagpat) is a famous spot which was mentioned in Mahabharat, if you pass by it on your way to Meerut/Haridwar from Baraut you can see the caves as well from where Pandavas are shown to have escaped.

Further detais: http://bagpat.nic.in/lakshagrah.htm

sanjeev1984
April 8th, 2013, 12:09 PM
Thanks for sharing... bas is last line ka matlab samajh nahi aaya... "Sanskrit inscription on one of the darghahs indicate that these were originally hindu temples."


Lakshagrah in Barnawa(Dist Bagpat) is a famous spot which was mentioned in Mahabharat, if you pass by it on your way to Meerut/Haridwar from Baraut you can see the caves as well from where Pandavas are shown to have escaped.

Further detais: http://bagpat.nic.in/lakshagrah.htm

DrRajpalSingh
May 10th, 2013, 12:05 AM
According to Valmiki Ramayana when Hanuman went to Lanka in search of Sita, he reached the northern extremity of Lanka and rested on the hill called Lamba covered with cocoanut and and other trees from where he saw the beautiful and well fortified metropolis of Lanka situated on the Trikuta or three peaked hill which was near the hill on which he was stopping.

Lamba is a gotra of Jats also. Guess the connexion between the Hill name and Jat gotra name !

rkumar
July 8th, 2014, 11:32 PM
This video might be useful to understand the subject better;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkTk72LaRxE

RK^2

DrRajpalSingh
July 9th, 2014, 08:09 AM
This video might be useful to understand the subject better;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkTk72LaRxE

RK^2

Good contribution to the discussion for which you deserve thanks.

prashantacmet
July 9th, 2014, 11:43 AM
According to Valmiki Ramayana when Hanuman went to Lanka in search of Sita, he reached the northern extremity of Lanka and rested on the hill called Lamba covered with cocoanut and and other trees from where he saw the beautiful and well fortified metropolis of Lanka situated on the Trikuta or three peaked hill which was near the hill on which he was stopping.

Lamba is a gotra of Jats also. Guess the connexion between the Hill name and Jat gotra name !

Funny!!...very funny!!....very very funny!!!

DrRajpalSingh
July 9th, 2014, 06:03 PM
Funny!!...very funny!!....very very funny!!!

The statement on establishing any connection between Lamba hills and Lamba gotra is really funny and was made intentionally to bring home the point that incidental or mere coincidental appearance of same names in literature or folk tales is no guarantee that both are co-related.

In our history section on Jatland wiki pages,particularly on origin of different gotras of the Jats, several examples of this type could be quoted from the four authors' collective book.

The book offers a fine example of doing identification without any rhyme or reason, several fictional kings or rishis or places for the Jat gotras. They cannot be accepted without a pinch of salt.

One must be careful while deriving conclusions on such issues without collecting sufficient varied information to support the same.

Nonetheless thanks for raising the forgotten issue.

rkumar
July 9th, 2014, 06:34 PM
.....The statement on establishing any connection between Lamba hills and Lamba gotra is really funny and was made intentionally to bring home the point that incidental or mere coincidental appearance of same names in literature or folk tales is no guarantee that both are co-related.

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I don't think so. Little extra reading of Sri Lanka history shows that Lamba Karana dynasty ruled there. (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/cch2007.htm). May be Lamba hills got its name from this very dynasty. Therefore I won't rule out the relation between Lamba gotra and Lamba Karan ( read Karan Lamba).

RK^2

prashantacmet
July 9th, 2014, 06:42 PM
I don't think so. Little extra reading of Sri Lanka history shows that Lamba Karana dynasty ruled there. (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/cch2007.htm (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Elkawgw/cch2007.htm)). May be Lamba hills got its name from this very dynasty. Therefore I won't rule out the relation between Lamba gotra and Lamba Karan ( read Karan Lamba).

RK^2

interesting ...very interesting!!

prashantacmet
July 9th, 2014, 08:11 PM
I don't think so. Little extra reading of Sri Lanka history shows that Lamba Karana dynasty ruled there. (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/cch2007.htm). May be Lamba hills got its name from this very dynasty. Therefore I won't rule out the relation between Lamba gotra and Lamba Karan ( read Karan Lamba).

RK^2

I think "lamba" people migrated from Africa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamba_(tribe)

few of them wents towards Europe and settled at Lamba island..abd became white from black.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamba_(island)

others came to srilanka..they were black..few of them further moved to north india..and they are brown..

so north indian lambas ( jatt, khatri, yadavs etc) has a fabulous history


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jad_people


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamba_(surname)


what do you think about this hypothesis...




ohh..!!..i did a path breaking research for lambas

rkumar
July 9th, 2014, 08:47 PM
I think "lamba" people migrated from Africa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamba_(tribe)

few of them wents towards Europe and settled at Lamba island..abd became white from black.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamba_(island)

others came to srilanka..they were black..few of them further moved to north india..and they are brown..

so north indian lambas ( jatt, khatri, yadavs etc) has a fabulous history


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jad_people


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamba_(surname)


what do you think about this hypothesis...




ohh..!!..i did a path breaking research for lambas

umm...from funny funny funny to a research scholar ... Great going. Keep it up. On a serious note, you may be right or may not be. However, what you say, merits attention for sure.

RK^2