केजरीवाल एंड पार्टी

[vikram.dahiya]

आजकल अरविंद केजरीवाल मीडिया का केंद्र बना हुआ है और सभी राजनैतिक पार्टियों की धज्जियाँ उड़ा रहा। केजरीवाल 26 नवम्बर को अपनी पार्टी की घोषणा करने वाला है क्या केजरीवाल सच में देश का भला कर सकता है ? आप सभी भाई अपने सुझाव अवश्य दे ​

[skarmveer]

Bhai in choron kee pol khol raha hai ye bhee desh ka bhala hee hai......Hats off to Those who are going to do something good for this country.....Ye Congressing to is desh ka Bhatta baitha key maangey or baakee ke party inkey pichhey hain.......

[SALURAM]

Bhai ye kya ho raha hain yeh to aana samay hi batayega ki yeh aane wale tufaan ki aahat thi ya fir dubte hue suraj ki tej kirnen.... lekin bade gharanon ka black money to bahot hain hsbc arr swiss jaisi bankon me aur unke namon ka khulasha karke inhone bahot achcha kaam kiya hain.

[vicky84]

क्या केजरीवाल सच में देश का भला कर सकता है ? आप सभी भाई अपने सुझाव अवश्य दे ​

Kezriwal and Team Anna have done good things like bringing awareness about corruption, raising voice against corruption etc but I do not agree with their solution. Corruption problem cannot be solved by bringing draconian laws. It can be solved by bringing efficient system in place. Other thing to consider is hidden corruption. Hidden corruption due to policy paralysis, wrong decison making, ineffective system is so much that cannot even imagined! Arvind Kezriwal Lokpal bill does not bring those measures into the system. Janlokpal is flawed system. Janlokpal can also contribute to policy paralysis as it creates a fear into bureaucrats! Janlokpal could be be a disaster, if it ever implemented without reforming current system!!!!!

[bazardparveen]

आजकल अरविंद केजरीवाल मीडिया का केंद्र बना हुआ है और सभी राजनैतिक पार्टियों की धज्जियाँ उड़ा रहा। केजरीवाल 26 नवम्बर को अपनी पार्टी की घोषणा करने वाला है क्या केजरीवाल सच में देश का भला कर सकता है ? आप सभी भाई अपने सुझाव अवश्य दे ​

Its tough to say what he will do. Many are suspecting his motives also because practically, it doesn't make sense to launch a political party against two national parties without having a proper organization. Either he is too ideal or fooling the people. I am not sure what he is. The biggest flawed is that he considers media as his friend while truth is that it is very much part of corrupt system. It's no longer a corporate-political axis only. But, it's a corporate, political and media specially English speaking electronic media nexus.

Right now, he must be admired to take on the reliance which looks almost invincible irrespective of which party comes into power. Kejriwal surely brought some fresh air and hope, something positive will happen irrespective of the fate of its political outfit.

[ranveer]

Arvind Kejriwal & team will make the difference in current political system for sure. He is energetic, honest & good team organiser but has less experience in politics (May not know how to fetch votes like our
most of the politicians are doing now a days).

As per my obervation, In starting phase his party will flourish in urban areas only(but they say they are getting good response from villages also) later they can expand their base to rural, which will take time. Please note that BJP also won 2 seats initialy & later expanded itself by RAM MANDIR issue.

At present Electronic media is supporting him because the media also want TRP & they run 24x7 mode so they also looks for material to show something for 24 hours.As we know all the media houses are companies (they have shares & wants to grow like all other businesses) so they keep balance between TRP & business.Media can stop showing Arvind any time if there is any news which can get more TRP
than Arvind's press conferences. So we cannot say that media is "Meharbaan" on arvind.

We all should support his cause (Vyvastha parivartan) irrespective of our political inclinations & should give the chance.

[desijat]

Kejriwal used donations to his pcrf foundation, which were meant for rti work, to launch anna andolan. He then used the money raised by the anna andolan, which was for lokpal movement, to launch his political party, which anna was explicitly against. He is the wrong rolemodel for accountability.

(Written by a ET journo in reply to a thread on FB)

[AbhikRana]

Let us stop shooting the messenger!

Congress kee toh daal hee kali hae aur BJP kee daal mein kucch kala hae. So anyday, BJP is a better choice out of the two.

Kejriwal is doing the best service that any Indian can do for the nation by bringing out into the public domain the misdeeds of these rascals.

I wish all the best to Arvind in his endeavour and hope that he continues with the good work IRRESPECTIVE OF THE UNNECESSARY, FALSE AND FRIVOLOUS CRITICISM directed towards him by some who are equally disturbed and discomforted by the expose's like their political masters.

If not at the national level, Arvind should at least get electoral victory in Delhi to start with so that he can show Delhi state as a role model for the other states as well as the nation in terms of governance.

[desijat]

Let us stop shooting the messenger!

If not at the national level, Arvind should at least get electoral victory in Delhi to start with so that he can show Delhi state as a role model for the other states as well as the nation in terms of governance.

The messenger is a player now, no more a messenger and when you are in the game you are expected to be shot.

Delhi victory is a distant dream, I bet he will not even be able deposit in majority of the seats.

[AbhikRana]

I am not sure if you intend to say that a player cannot be messenger or vice versa. But whatever, he is a harbinger of the change that the Mango man has long been yearning for.

Whether his deposit is forfeited or not, only time will tell.

All I can say to Arvind is Godspeed!!!



The messenger is a player now, no more a messenger and when you are in the game you are expected to be shot.

Delhi victory is a distant dream, I bet he will not even be able deposit in majority of the seats.

[desijat]

All I can say to Arvind is Godspeed!!!

The day Kejriwal comes to power and implements his policies, most of us sitting online in India would have lost our jobs. You cant run a country by giving power back to people or cheasing off all the businessman.

[vicky84]

There is no nitpicking here. JanLokpal is highly flawed and could create big problems if ever implemented. We should not get swayed by emotions! Law of economics never bend!

[VPannu]

दहिया भाई , केजरीवाल पे इतना तो भरोसा है की अगर भला नहीं कर सकता तो कम से कम बुरा तो बिलकुल नहीं करेगा। RTI has been used extensively by general public ever since it was introduced. This has certainly brought more transparency to the system. As already said above, people have become more aware now. I admire him for taking the bull by the horns. He is, in fact, hitting where it hurts most. I admire his (and of course everyone who is fighting for the good cause) fortitude.Hail Kejriwal and all others who are fighting against corruption !! God bless them.

[vicky84]

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/sreelatha-menonkejriwal-club/490888/

It’s not just Arvind Kejriwal whose spirit is ablaze with the need to change it all. There are many Kejriwals working quietly for a change in the political infrastructure of this country. Most of them admire him — though they may differ with him on policy issues.


Jai Prakash Narayan started the Lok Satta (http://www.jatland.com/india/prof_page.php?search=Lok+Satta&select=1) party with the same intent, much before Kejriwal arrived on the scene. He has managed to win one seat in the Andhra Assembly elections (http://www.jatland.com/india/prof_page.php?search=Andhra+Assembly+elections&select=1) so far.Others have followed his footsteps. There is the Jago Party, which was launched in 2007 and is active in Rajasthan. Its Facebook page has 250,000 supporters – all from Rajasthan – while it has set up working committees in 22 of the 32 districts in the state. Its founder Deepak Mittal, who is a businessman from Haryana, says he believes India is poor and backward due to wrong policies and corruption. “I wanted to do something and hence, I started the party,” he says.
Mittal supports Kejriwal and has been in touch with him for the last five years. However, he finds Kejriwal Left-leaning and differs with him on economic matters. For instance, Mittal sees cash transfers and privatisation of all services as means to end corruption. He also favours foreign investments in retail and more industrialisation — things which would endear him to the present dispensation. He believes the government should spend about Rs 4 lakh crore annually and pay cash subsidies of at least Rs 800 per voter monthly, instead of running leakage-prone schemes.
To put an end to corruption, he sees hope in Kejriwal. “I have been persuading him to enter politics, but he never wanted to till he changed his mind recently,” says Mittal.
Shantanu Bhagwat was a former Indian Foreign Services officer who quit in 2001 and went into venture capital outfits. He, subsequently, began blogging to mobilise public opinion and support for his idea of a new India. He co-founded the Freedom Team of India (http://www.jatland.com/india/prof_page.php?search=Freedom+Team+of+India&select=1) (FTI) as a means to mobilise those who are willing to contest elections to clean up politics. He hasn’t formed a party yet, but is keenly watching Kejriwal’s progress. He says he is close to Narayan’s anti-corruption party, Lok Satta.
Sanjeev Sabhlok, a former Indian Administrative Services officer, was fed up with the “system”, too. He says the system is like a cesspool feeding endless disease-carrying mosquitoes (or corrupt officials and politicians). He quit the services in 2001 to start a liberal party like Rajaji’s Swatantra Party. He has written a book, Breaking Free of Nehru: Lets Unleash India, and has been working with Bhagawat’s FTI.
FTI functions more like a club for anyone to join and take a plunge into politics with the intent of changing it for the better. It has 150 members at present. Sabhlok operates from Australia, and advises the government on public policy. He is gearing up to return to India the moment the field is ready for a new political party.
Both Sabhlok and Bhagawat admire Kejriwal, of course with plenty of reservations. They don’t approve of the economic policies that Kejriwal has spoken of so far. Sabhlok says he has met Kejriwal and tried to show him his idea of reform, “but he has not been responsive”. “I’ve not given up. I continue to try to reach out to him.”
But Kejriwal’s admirers have a word of caution for him. “Many of his ideas, such as fixing prices for essential commodities, are deeply socialist, and will take India further down the path of ruin. We need serious policy thinkers to come forward, not economics illiterates,” says Sabhlok.

[vicky84]

Kezriwal is not open to suggestion! It will cost him a lot in future!

PS: Jai Prakash Narayan was instrumental in bringing RTI!!

[desijat]

Heard of reports comparing him to Hitler, Anna himself endorsed it.

I am still not sure how can corruption be the only issue to choose a party and give them country's charge.


Kezriwal is not open to suggestion! It will cost him a lot in future!

PS: Jai Prakash Narayan was instrumental in bringing RTI!!

[vicky84]

The way he is leading the movement suggest that he is not open to any suggestions. He is proving himself a dictator! Lot of activist have left his movement as he does not listen to them. My way or Highway never work in a democratic country!

Also I have serious doubts on this JanLokpal Bill. I don't know why people do not understand simple things!


Heard of reports comparing him to Hitler, Anna himself endorsed it.

I am still not sure how can corruption be the only issue to choose a party and give them country's charge.

[vicky84]

Dr Subramanian Swamy interview about Arvind Kejriwal Black Money press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=igSJbYl4GUo#!

[desijat]

Diggi on Kejriwal
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/video-story/254623?hp

[Arvindc]

Heard of reports comparing him to Hitler, Anna himself endorsed it.

I am still not sure how can corruption be the only issue to choose a party and give them country's charge.

Hitler had a lot of positive stuff as well. So "what" is important here.

[Arvindc]

The way he is leading the movement suggest that he is not open to any suggestions. He is proving himself a dictator! Lot of activist have left his movement as he does not listen to them. My way or Highway never work in a democratic country!

Also I have serious doubts on this JanLokpal Bill. I don't know why people do not understand simple things!

Revolutions have a history of doubtful people, however, what gets counted is the faith in the success, however hard it might look.

[Moar]

Hitler had a lot of positive stuff as well. So "what" is important here.

Hitler was definitely the worst "ideologue" among the human-beings !!


If Anna wants to be related with him, then, maybe he has found himself in Sangh's camp !!

[vicky84]

A blind faith could prove conterproductive!

Arvind's policies sound filmy[Bollywoodish]!! These policies will never help in what we want.

Revolutions have a history of doubtful people, however, what gets counted is the faith in the success, however hard it might look.

[AbhikRana]

If Arvind is not the solution, what is the solution? Please elaborate point-wise so that I and others like me can focus on that other alternative/solution.


A blind faith could prove conterproductive!

Arvind's policies sound filmy[Bollywoodish]!! These policies will never help in what we want.

[rekhasmriti]

" RTI has been used extensively by general public ever since it was introduced. This has certainly brought more transparency to the system."
Absolutely in agreement , however RTI was not launched over night --rather an effort of years .
Also it was not launched via launching some political party and so called anshans .
Agar RTI---bina kissi drama , anshans , n media attention ke launch hua -----toh why not other reforms . Its just tab how can someone would fulfill ambition of being in politics .


I read somewhere about same long time back when RTI was launched , coz I was curious aise kaise Govt jag gayee , tab read contribution of Aruna Roy n others for RTI. Nothing much I have found in support of my statement , I guess below mentioned link might support what I have said-

http://www.rtigateway.org.in/Documents/References/English/Reports/12.%20An%20article%20on%20RTI%20by%20Harsh%20Mande r.pdf

[vicky84]

Solution is improving governance. Good policies and transparency. There is plethora of material available online which you can refer to regarding the issue of governance.

Kezriwal Solution[JanLokpal] for corruption is highly flawed. It could create big problems in Indian Economy. It is ineffecitve in catching hidden corruption[Which is more than what we see in general].

Types of Corruption:
http://sabhlokcity.com/2011/03/the-iceberg-of-indian-corruption/
he following diagram depicts the iceberg of Indian corruption. The diagram shows that a small portion of India’s corruption is ‘visible’ to us, the vast bulk being hidden from view; ‘below water’.
http://sabhlokcity.com/wp-content/uploads/corruption.jpg (http://sabhlokcity.com/wp-content/uploads/corruption.jpg)

1) Visible Corruption
The visible tip of the iceberg is corruption experienced by ‘common’ people. It comprises many types such as transactional, prioritizational and avoidance.


Transactional corruption is where the people have to pay a bribe over and above the government-established charge to get a service which they were entitled to get without the bribe. This form of corruption is relatively easy to fix, being driven by defects in the design of governance systems, defects which leave open areas of information asymmetry and discretion, which can then be arbitraged by government functionaries through non-transparent and unaccountable decisions. Where information technology has been cleverly used, such forms of corruption have reduced; for example, when the Indian Railways computerized its ticketing system the previously rampant corruption in ticketing dropped precipitously.
Prioritizational corruption is where people get ‘out-of-turn’ favours through ‘speed money’. Such corruption was more relevant in the past where government interventions had resulted in shortages of telephone connections, cars and so on. This kind of corruption has significantly reduced after liberalization. Obtaining gas cylinders now doesn’t require bribing a host of people any longer.
Avoidance corruption is where people pay a bribe to avoid a fine or wastage of time. This is still quite prevalent when people bribe a police constable to avoid a speeding ticket, a tax avoider pays a bribe to an income tax officer, or the truck driver avoids a detailed inspection from the police by handing over Rs.100 at each check post in India.

As a result of some improvements in governance coupled with liberalization, most of us do not face visible corruption to the extent we used to. In any event, the bribe of a few rupees taken by a lowly government functionary – no matter how deplorable – is the least of our problems in India.

2) Hidden Deep Corruption
Below the visible corruption is an absolutely mammoth amount of possibly increasing, hidden corruption. This is where the bulk of the ‘money’ is made by politicians, in amounts that run into thousands of crores of rupees each year. The malaise of hidden corruption goes very deep into the vitals of India and provides evidence of its existence from time to time in frightening ways, as it festers for a long time and then erupts. We can’t easily ‘see’ it. But we know it exists when trains smash into each other, roads fall apart, millions of illegal migrants from Bangladesh swamp the country, police perpetrate major crimes and operate as organized criminals at night, and soldiers and farmers commit suicide. Corruption by ministers of police and defence has driven a deep knife into the heart of our security forces. Our border protection and possibly general security are in shambles. It is possible that India’s security could collapse one fine day like a termite-riddled house that has been chewed up, if deep corruption is not checked. We see this termite-like, hidden infestation at work in all government institutions such as public works departments, rural development programmes, public distribution system, education and health services. No major file, no appointment, no contract moves without such deep, fully institutionalized corruption.

3) Hidden Policy Corruption
But there is an even worse, more insidious and dangerous form of corruption not even thought about by most people. Policy corruption, or policy neglect on account of our political leaders devoting their entire waking energy to making money, saps the foundations of our country. Ministers of education spend most of their time in transfers and appointments of school teachers, for a fee. Other ministers consort with tenderers who bid for government contracts with a view to finding out who will pay them the most dakshina. That is the ‘regular’ deep corruption stuff. What happens with all this is that they are able to spend less than 20 per cent of their time on policy making and are forced to delegate policy and strategy to career bureaucrats. Not only are our bureaucrats blissfully ignorant of the world’s best practice in policy, their interests are often at cross-purposes with the interests of India. Many of them are focused primarily on wangling a stint in international organizations through their political contacts, when not making money on the side – which is the primary occupation of a large number of them now. Delegating policy to bureaucrats, namely our IAS officers, is a recipe for total disaster for India on a scale unimaginable by those who haven’t worked for decades within the government and don’t know all about what really happens! I have never seen more shoddy policy analysis than analysis which emerges from Indian government departments.

Ministers display a singular lack of excitement at the great opportunity they have to make a difference to the country. Our representatives simply do not care to question why things are not working and don’t care for finding out effective solutions. Policy-making is not why they joined politics in the first place; they joined politics only to make money. No minister I worked with ever asked any intelligent question on the strategic direction of his portfolio, or guided me on overall policy direction. I was on my own. And if, as a diligent officer, I did bring up such policy matters, there was bemusement when I explained various options through professional analysis. The damage done to India by chronic policy neglect by both ministers and bureaucrats, neglect which I call policy corruption, is far more devastating in impact than ‘regular’ corruption. This corruption leads to colossal damage – there are major policy errors such as investing our money in the wrong things, undertaking the wrong activities, not establishing systems to plan cities and infrastructure, non-functioning services and justice, non-existent schools, non-functioning law and order. No society can prosper, even if it has free markets, if its leaders are dishonest to the core and completely disinterested in good policy.

We therefore need to review our democratic system’s incentives to find out what it will take to attract some of our best people to politics. If we are to be only led by our most mediocre and corrupt people, then we had better get reconciled to perpetual mediocrity. The greatest barrier to entering politics is at the first gate itself – our electoral system. Tall barriers meet honest candidates who want to represent us, barriers deliberately designed to block out all good and competent people. The good news first – it is possible to remove these barriers, since they are all man-made. The bad news is that existing politicians will never remove these barriers, for that would mean the end to their opportunity to make quick money!


If Arvind is not the solution, what is the solution? Please elaborate point-wise so that I and others like me can focus on that other alternative/solution.

[vicky84]

Contd...

http://sabhlokcity.com/2011/09/the-laws-of-economics-never-bend-so-if-a-lokpal-comes-in-without-changing-policies-guess-what-will-happen/


a) Reality: A Lokpal can’t stop the generation of corruption
India’s socialist policies put excessive power and discretion in the hands of decision-makers. Each law that allows a politician or bureaucrat to interfere in economic activity creates an opportunity for corruption. The Lokpal does not change such policies, nor reform the electoral system to reduce the need for corrupt money during elections. Therefore, the Lokpal cannot prevent the continuous generation of corruption. It will be far more effective if we change socialist policies.

b) Reality: The Lokpal can’t catch even a fraction of the corrupt
A Lokpal will become viable and effective if only one per cent (or less) of India’s politicians and bureaucrats are corrupt. But when 99 percent of them are corrupt, then catching a few corrupt people here or there will hardly make a difference. The cancer must be addressed at the source.

c) Reality: Corruption “charges” will increase because of the Lokpal
Because the corrupt will now have to factor in the (presumably slightly) higher probability of being caught, the “rate” they demand for their “services” will increase.

d) Reality: Corruption will be driven even more underground
The Lokpal, under the current system, will merely drive corruption more underground – into more hidden methods. Greater outflows of corrupt money from India will occur to Switzerland or other tax havens. In this “game” of corruption, it is best to stop corruption in the first place, not to waste precious time and resources in chasing corrupt people across the world.

e) Reality: The big fish will escape
Under the current system, big fish can easily access various sophisticated methods of corruption. They can also hire expensive lawyers to exploit loopholes in the legal system to delay and subvert justice, should any case be launched against them. In general, the big fish will escape scrutiny (or punishment) and the Lokpal will be forced to focus on small fry.

f) Reality: Government inefficiency will increase
The Indian Constitution provides extraordinary protections to public servants. There is therefore virtually no way available for governments to punish public servants who do not perform their work properly. If their opportunities for corruption are reduced then public servants are likely to even further slow down their work, leading to total paralysis of governance. The Lokpal (if it becomes even slightly effective, and therefore reduces corruption) will end up putting a severe brake on India’s economic growth.

h) Reality: Lokpal could itself become corrupt
Corrupt politicians and government servants have plenty of money to bribe investigative agencies – and judges. Under the current dispensation there is very significant corruption both in the government and judiciary. It is not difficult to see a situation, particularly with lowly paid Lokpal employees, when the Lokpal officials start accepting bribes.

i) Reality: Lokpal can’t deliver results because of India’s court system
The Lokpal cannot deliver results because it does not control the courts. As Swami Aiyar has pointed out (http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Swaminomics/entry/strong-lokpal-weak-judiciary-recipe-for-failure):Even if the Lokpal controls the CBI, it will have no control over the courts. These seem incapable of convicting any resourceful person beyond appeals within his or her lifetime. Little will be achieved if the Lokpal initiates a thousand cases that then drag on for decades, with the accused out on bail.FTI does not recommend scrapping the principles of natural justice for those charged with corruption. We need systemic reforms that include the policies outlined earlier, as well as a strong justice system to quickly and effectively punish the corrupt.

6. Other questions people have regarding the Lokpal

a) What are the mechanisms apart from Lokpal to stop corruption?

Alternative mechanisms to reducing corruption have been outlined above. These are far more effective and involve two key changes:

(i) Reduce the need for corruption: ensure electoral reforms that motivate good people to enter politics, and pay a certain amount per valid vote cast to candidates; and

(ii) Reduce the opportunity for corruption: remove socialist policies so that people can undertake economic activity without unnecessary government regulation.Currently, no political party offers such systemic reforms in India. Without political leadership, however, such reforms cannot be implemented. FTI (http://freedomteam.in/) is a platform for those who understand such reforms to step forward and contest elections. Only then will such systemic reforms be introduced, bringing an end to corruption.

b) Why does FTI not support the Lokpal, given that Hong Kong has a Lokpal-like model?

Hong Kong is highly ranked on Transparency International rankings (currently No. 12 (http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/#CountryResults), below countries like Australia and New Zealand which do not have any Lokpal).Not very long ago, Hong Kong was a very corrupt country. Its reforms, do not include just an Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC, which started in 1974), but a wide range of policy initiatives such as good governance, world-best economic policy and high quality education. The existence of ICAC should not be seen in isolation from these broader reforms. Indonesia has tried to copy the Hong Kong model and has failed, because it has not adopted the free market economic model of Hong Kong.As Offstumped (http://blog.offstumped.in/category/uttar-pradesh-polls-2012/) has pointed out:“Indonesia’s corruption eradication commission, one message screams out —Indiadoes not need to make Indonesia’s mistakes with the proposed Lokpal Bill. It has been nearly 10 years since the KPK was established by law inIndonesia. Ten years on, no surprises: Corruption has not been eradicated fromIndonesia. Far from eliminating corruption, KPK continues to be at the centre of political intrigue in Indonesia.”A Lokpal cannot succeed in removing corruption without a host of far more basic reforms. FTI believes that there is a place for Lokpal in India’s governance, but not today. Only in due course, as part of an entire suite of governance and economic reforms.

[vicky84]

Contd...


c) Won’t a Lokpal help create new government jobs?
Indeed, the Lokpal will create new jobs but creating government cannot be a valid reason to have a Lokpal. Economic growth & prosperity is never created through government jobs. India needs policies of liberty that will create opportunities for millions to earn their livelihood.

d) Since the poor have to constantly interface with the state, won’t the Lokpal provide a check to corruption at lower level of bureaucracy?

Unless economic policies and the system of governance is changed, villagers in India will not be able to escape from chronic corruption (such as corrupt tahsildars and other land records staff). Villagers, being illiterate, do not have the capacity or resources to lodge (and pursue) complaints with the Lokpal.Villagers have not been able to utilise existing institutions like state vigilance bodies and police because of inability or fea. The Lokpal’s rules and procedures will preclude the possibility of justice for villagers. The corrupt will go scot free even if complaints are lodged against them, due to the sheer numbers involved.Far better to build systems that preclude corruption in the first place. Trying to fix the problem of corruption after it has established itself is a far more difficult (even impossible) task.

e) What is FTI’s view on the level of corruption that can a Lokpal can reduce?
The jury is out on this important question. However, for reasons given above, FTI believes that Lokpal will not reduce corruption, and will probably increase it and drive it underground.

f) How much will the Lokpal cost the taxpayer?
This will depend on the nature and design of the Lokpal. But it will not be cheap. Unfortunately, there will be almost no social gain from this institution. So taxpayers will spend money on the Lokpal, even as the corrupt officials and politicians ofIndia continue their loot.ConclusionAll Indians all angry with our corrupt politicians and bureaucrats. However, we should use our head, not our emotions.FTI agrees with and supports, in principle, IAC people’s movement against corruption. But FTI believes that (at this stage – i.e., without changing the policies of socialism, and ensuring that good people are able to contest elections) the Lokpal will make no difference to the lives of Indians, and could even make things worse in a number of ways.FTI therefore asks the Indian people to seek solutions that will actually work.The people of India have awakened due to the IAC movement. But it is important to understand that the solution does not lie in a Lokpal, but in a package of reforms that will essentially abolish socialism and make Indians free.FTI invites you to support the team to provide India with modern, effective governance.It is hard to remove the socialistic mindset of Indian politicians who think that voters want such policies. It is up to the educated class to show voters that demanding subsidies and handouts from politicians is not the right way to eliminate poverty. They voter must demand good governance, good education, not charity.The poor will become prosperous through freedom. On this journey, a social minimum (which includes high quality private school education for all children and a guaranteed top-up to eliminate poverty) will support those who falter on this journey towards freedom, integrity, and prosperity.In simple language, let’s drain the swamp so that mosquitoes don’t breed. It is not a sensible idea to kill the mosquitoes, one at a time.

[AbhikRana]

Indeed a very good analysis of the types of corruption and a few FAQs which generally have assumptions as answers instead of concrete and implementable answers.

The solution or alternative that I gather from your reply is that we need to have good governance and transparency. Who would bring that governance or transparency?? The Congress or the BJP?? OR THE CIVIL SOCIETY and the mango men members of the civil society who have recently entered into electoral politics?

Well, most of the criticism directed towards Arvind is founded on unestablished assumptions and unfounded fears. He talks tough against corruption and the corrupt and follows it by action like he did in Farukhabad to which he was dared by the so-called educated Goonda Salman.

He dared to take on the corruption of the powerful first family of India when no one including the powerful and influential media dared to touch upon the topic.

Arvind at least deserves a chance in electoral politics even if it were to prove him wrong (by his detractors).

This unnecessary criticism of Arvind which is devoid of any merit whatsoever is more of an attempt by the mainstream political parties to use one way or the other to tarnish his image even though unsuccessfully because they have not been able to find anything concrete against him.

Indian economy will function better by giving it a corruption free environment. It would help foreign companies establish new offices within a few days instead of the months that it takes currently where now it requires palms to be greased at every level.

Especially to all those Congressies: Indian economy is not hurt by bringing to light corruption and the corrupt, but it is ACTUALLY HURT BY THE CORRUPTION AND THE CORRUPT. By criticizing Arvind and people like him, we are shooting the messenger instead of the well-entrenched players.



[QUOTE=atishmohan;324865]Solution is improving governance. Good policies and transparency. There is plethora of material available online which you can refer to regarding the issue of governance.

Kezriwal Solution[JanLokpal] for corruption is highly flawed. It could create big problems in Indian Economy. It is ineffecitve in catching hidden corruption[Which is more than what we see in general].

Types of Corruption:
http://sabhlokcity.com/2011/03/the-iceberg-of-indian-corruption/
he following diagram depicts the iceberg of Indian corruption. The diagram shows that a small portion of India’s corruption is ‘visible’ to us, the vast bulk being hidden from view; ‘below water’.
http://sabhlokcity.com/wp-content/uploads/corruption.jpg (http://sabhlokcity.com/wp-content/uploads/corruption.jpg)

1) Visible Corruption
The visible tip of the iceberg is corruption experienced by ‘common’ people. It comprises many types such as transactional, prioritizational and avoidance.


Transactional corruption is where the people have to pay a bribe over and above the government-established charge to get a service which they were entitled to get without the bribe. This form of corruption is relatively easy to fix, being driven by defects in the design of governance systems, defects which leave open areas of information asymmetry and discretion, which can then be arbitraged by government functionaries through non-transparent and unaccountable decisions. Where information technology has been cleverly used, such forms of corruption have reduced; for example, when the Indian Railways computerized its ticketing system the previously rampant corruption in ticketing dropped precipitously.

[bahadur1]

जो कुछ केजरीवाल कर रहा है अच्छा कर रहा है लेकिन उसका कुछ समाधान नहीं निकल रहा है वह जिस रास्ते पर चल रहा है बहुत ही कठिन है हम तो अभी यही कह सकते हैं भगवान उसको सफलता की बुलंदियों तक पहुंचाए

[desijat]

Did you read about Kejriwal's link to Aruna Roy, his reform guru and how she left him in his crusade of politics?



" RTI has been used extensively by general public ever since it was introduced. This has certainly brought more transparency to the system."
Absolutely in agreement , however RTI was not launched over night --rather an effort of years .
Also it was not launched via launching some political party and so called anshans .
Agar RTI---bina kissi drama , anshans , n media attention ke launch hua -----toh why not other reforms . Its just tab how can someone would fulfill ambition of being in politics .


I read somewhere about same long time back when RTI was launched , coz I was curious aise kaise Govt jag gayee , tab read contribution of Aruna Roy n others for RTI. Nothing much I have found in support of my statement , I guess below mentioned link might support what I have said-

http://www.rtigateway.org.in/Documents/References/English/Reports/12.%20An%20article%20on%20RTI%20by%20Harsh%20Mande r.pdf

[vicky84]

Arvind's ideology is anti-democractic. His solution is anti-democratic. That's why Subhramanium Swami also called him "VamPanthi". I am not here to quibble but yes if there are huge problems with something, then its worth to ponder. I don't go blindly after anyone rather spend my time and do my own research and understand. I always admire Arvind and Anna for their crusade against corruption and bring this problem to center. However, its worth to look into their solutions and ideology. Their main problem is that they are undermining democracy and the constitution. What they have proposed must be scruitnised and should be discussed all over the country. It cannot be my way or high way. My question is: how can they claim that their version of Janlokpal is only effective whereas what others are proposing is a trash! Have they done any research. Has any constitutional body ever approved it. Introducing draconian laws never help. It is well proved and a fact. Countries like New Zealand, Australia do not have Janlokpal but still these countries have least corruption in the world. What is special with JanLokpal? Indonesia implemented it but nothing has improved there. Country is still struggling with corruption. Janlokpal bill consequences could be very high. It undermine constitutional bodies. A thorough research about it would prove that it may be an ineffective way of tackling corruption. As a wrote earlier. Solution lies in making system transparent, improving governance not in intoducing draconian laws!


Indeed a very good analysis of the types of corruption and a few FAQs which generally have assumptions as answers instead of concrete and implementable answers.

The solution or alternative that I gather from your reply is that we need to have good governance and transparency. Who would bring that governance or transparency?? The Congress or the BJP?? OR THE CIVIL SOCIETY and the mango men members of the civil society who have recently entered into electoral politics?

Well, most of the criticism directed towards Arvind is founded on unestablished assumptions and unfounded fears.

[vicky84]

Apology in advance for Copy and Paste:

http://sabhlokcity.com/tag/lokpal-bill/

The Lokpal Bill does not tackle any of the root causes of corruption. The bill amounts to an unparalleled concentration of power in one institution that will literally be able to summon any institution and command any kind of police, judicial and investigative power. In other words, in a situation where the problem is power, we create an entity that has even more power. It has even appointed officials instead of elected ones.

There are many loopholes in the Bill which I have discussed below:a) The three Pillars of Indian Democracy – namely the Legislature, Executive and Judiciary – keep checks and balances on the other, and so they must remain separate, because that’s the only way to ensure that there is no abuse of power. The Jan Lokpal intends to disturb this fine balance by virtually creating a fourth pillar. It intends to create an Executive outside the constitutional framework, answerable to nobody. Chances of such an organization getting corrupted by the sheer lust for power are much greater than the Executive functioning within a constitutional framework, where checks and balances ensure accountability
b) The appointment of the Lokpal will be done by a – Bharat Ratna awardees, Nobel prize winners of Indian origin, Magsaysay award winners, Senior Judges of Supreme and High Courts, the Chairperson of the National Human Rights Commission, the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, the Chief Election Commissioner, and members of the outgoing Lokpal board and the Chairpersons of both houses of Parliament. Only one person, the chairperson of the Lok Sabha, is a democratically elected person. The idea of a Jan Lokpal is modeled on an Ombudsman but there is no example where a country decided that Nobel Prize winners and those awarded with state conferred honors can be given the task of selecting those entrusted with the power to punish people.
c) The autonomy and independence of the Judiciary is protected under the Constitution, which allows a member of the higher Judiciary to be removed only through the cumbersome impeachment process. The intent was to ensure that justice is administered without fear or favor. The Jan Lokpal proposal of putting higher judiciary under Lokpal is absurd. The consequences are even worse, when you consider that under it the Jan Lokpal Bill will have independent investigating and prosecuting agencies. Will any judge ever dare differ with the views of a prosecutor of the Jan Lokpal since he might face prosecution himself if his orders are misunderstood? Is it logical that Investigation and Prosecution be done by the same agency?


d) Since this country understands the language of cricket well, just try to imagine Indian captain Dhoni on field. During the course of play, several critical decisions need to be taken and it should be best left to the captain on the field to do that. If we start with the premise that Dhoni is likely to falter and should be under strict scrutiny for each and every decision he takes on field, it will be completely impossible for him to take out-of-box decisions. Most of the audience might not agree with his decision to let the last over of the match bowled by a new bowler but we cannot raise a suspicion every time he does so. If we don’t want the whole functioning of the government come to standstill on petty issues, the Prime Minister may be best kept out of Jan Lokpal.e) We have to understand, there are enough strong laws available in this country to address literally every issue under the Sun. Implementation of a new bill will require a strong will and huge additional resources and that is where the whole problem lies. Consumer courts were created to give speedy justice but today a large number of cases are pending before it just because of lack of resources. The law was always there to arrest the likes of Mr. Kalmadi or Mr. Raja but it could happen only when it was backed by a strong will to do it. State Lokayukta is there in India in as many as 18 states today but only a Santosh Hegde could make a difference in Karnataka. There are strong laws against illegal construction, land grabbing and even mining, the need of the hour is to implement it and not spend time into making additional laws.
f) The resource crunch will destabilize the Jan Lokpal. If both the Central govt. and State govt. employees are to be brought under its scanner, the number of people it will have to cover will be around 10-12million. Obviously, huge machinery will be needed to deal with this. Also, the same system of corrupted civil servants, politicians, anti-corruption agencies, judges, media, civil society groups and ordinary citizens will work under the Lokpal to deal with corruption and just because they will work for Lokpal, will they become incorruptible? Won’t it mean adding another bunch of bribes to the long list of existing ones?
g) There is NO right to appeal – The right to at least one appeal against an order, which affects someone adversely, is inherent in the Constitution. There is no specific clause regarding appeals in the Jan Lok Pal Bill, and that is unconstitutional, to say the least.
Noted political analyst Pratap Bhanu Mehta has nicely summed up the addition of Jan Lokpal as one more law. He says, “To many of us, this proposal seems like the way we approached educational reform: if BA is not good quality, introduce MA; since MA does not work, have MPhil; since we can’t trust our PhDs, have a further NET exam, endlessly deferring to new institutions at the top of the food chain without attending to basics.”
I sincerely feel that Jan Lokpal is a Medicine which has severe side-effects. While there are many ways which can help us effectively fight corruption arising out of political nexus, there is only one way to fight social corruption:


The RTI legislation can be the most effective tool in eradicating corruption. The many government decisions taken on critical issues have to be brought under public scrutiny and it is how the government can be made accountable for its decisions. Another effective way of dealing with corruption arising out of political nexus is with the help of electoral reforms like proportional representation, state funding of elections which will lead to uniform spending of candidates and most importantly the right to recall of elected representatives.

Corruption in day to day life is more of a social issue. It is a value system where when I benefit its desirable, when I am the victim, it’s not. Only a true introspection can get us to its roots. It has to be tackled from inside and only then a Lokpal can be effective.

I've repeatedly explained that the Lokpal Bill does NOT address the causes of corruption. It merely tries to catch those who are corrupt. That would be fine if 1 per cent were corrupt. But the SOCIALIST POLICIES in India GENERATE CORRUPT people in the MILLIONS (including ALL Ministers). So the task being given to the LP isTOTALLY futile.
Without policy change the disease of corruption CANNOT be cured. It is NECESSARY to build a system where the incentives are designed to ensure that only the honest enter, and policies do not generate corruption.
But, of course, that requires POLICY thinking - which is clearly well beyond the ken of people like Anna Hazare or even "smart" people Arvind Kejriwal, and Kiran Bedi - it would appear.
ONLY well-thought out policies, based on a sound understanding of ECONOMIC incentives, work in real life. Everything else is a waste. But such deep thinking is so rare as to be almost totally absent in India. (Hence the socialist nightmare that India is still going through – its SHODDY thinking has cost it millions of lost lives and created unbelievably bad governance.)

[AbhikRana]

I respect democracy and our great constitution. But which constitution and democracy are we talking about? The constitution given by the founding fathers including Ambedkar or the constitution that these rascals have made it into by so many amendments to suit their political needs. An example - PM Indira Gandhi made an amendment to the constitution that election to the office of PM cannot be challenged in Courts when her election was challenged by Jai Prakash Narayan. There were amendments made for reservation in the constitution where one citizen is given preferential treatment over the other and merit takes a backseat. All these amendments were good or bad? It is for all to see and judge.

Arvind has never said that there should be no elections or democracy. He is only talking of electoral reforms like the right to reject and the right to recall. What is wrong in that?

Unfortunately in the criticism of Arvind I have so far only found unfounded and unsubstantiated hype and no substance.


Arvind's ideology is anti-democractic. His solution is anti-democratic. That's why Subhramanium Swami also called him "VamPanthi". I am not here to quibble but yes if there are huge problems with something, then its worth to ponder. I don't go blindly after anyone rather spend my time and do my own research and understand. I always admire Arvind and Anna for their crusade against corruption and bring this problem to center. However, its worth to look into their solutions and ideology. Their main problem is that they are undermining democracy and the constitution. What they have proposed must be scruitnised and should be discussed all over the country. It cannot be my way or high way. My question is: how can they claim that their version of Janlokpal is only effective whereas what others are proposing is a trash! Have they done any research. Has any constitutional body every approved it. Introducing draconian laws never help. It is well proved and a fact. Countries like New Zealand, Australia do not have Janlokpal but still these countries have least corruption in the world. What is special with JanLokpal? Indonesia implemented it but nothing has improved there. Country is still struggling with corruption. Janlokpal bill consequences could be very high. It undermine constitutional bodies. A thorough research about it would prove that it is most ineffective way of tackling corruption. As a wrote earlier. Solution lies in making system transparent not bringing draconian laws!

[vicky84]

If you seriously want to keep your eyes closed then no one can help! And its your own choice to make such decison. No one is opposing.




Unfortunately in the criticism of Arvind I have so far only found unfounded and unsubstantiated hype and no substance.

[Prikshit]

What Arvind is doing till now is good, rest all is not really very important in present scenario. If running govt is not able to suppress him till now is sufficient to prove he is a honest person with good intentions.

[AbhikRana]

I am still to receive any specific, substantiated and proven allegation against him. Casting aspersions on him or calling him a dictator without any specific examples or for that matter even before his coming to power can be labelled as nothing but a 'propaganda campaign' against him.



If you seriously want to keep your eyes closed then no one can help! And its your own choice to make such decison. No one is opposing.

[vicky84]

Post after post, I have raised my questions[Have substance in them]. I am not here for any "propaganda campaing". As I said, its worth to look into what he is proposing. I called him dictator because he only believe in his solution. But he does not listen to others. In a democracy, it never works. The way he is operating clearly suggest that he is on path of becoming dictator!


I am still to receive any specific, substantiated and proven allegation against him. Casting aspersions on him or calling him a dictator without any specific examples or for that matter even before his coming to power can be labelled as nothing but a 'propaganda campaign' against him.

[AbhikRana]

Is the present Congress govt. not a dictator?

It amends the constitution when it pleases, it buys MPs when it pleases in the Parliament during the vote of no-confidence against it.

Above all, it snatches the Roti from plate of the aam admi and benefits itself and people like Ambanis and DLF, it hikes gas and petrol prices at its sweet will, it increases electricity rates by its own sweet will, it forcefully acquires agricultural land at its own sweet will.

And Arvind whom you call a dictator even before his coming to power, is a dictator (if at all he can be called one) for the cause of the people - REMOVING CORRUPTION.

You say his Janlokpal is wrong. Is the Congress Lokpal okay where the whistlblower will be jailed if his complaint is found to be unsubstantiated? And who would judge whether the allegation is unsubstantiated or not - the same corrupt politicians and the corrupt police and CBI (Congress Bureau of Investigation).

In all the criticism to Arvind we can only see "HE WILL DO THIS WRONG, HE WILL DO THAT THING WRONG". But actually what wrong has he done so far is yet to be seen. It is therefore that I call all allegations against him baseless and farfetched.


Post after post, I have raised my questions[Have substance in them]. I am not here for any "propaganda campaing". As I said, its worth to look into what he is proposing. I called him dictator because he only believe in his solution. But he does not listen to others. In a democracy, it never works. The way he is operating clearly suggest that he is on path of becoming dictator!

[vicky84]

Yes you are right in pointing out all these problems. But propose an effective solution. If Arvind propose an effective solution I will fully support it. Right now his solution has many flaws. Congress Lokpal has also problems.

But before proposing any Lokpal, isn't it good to get back to basics. Why we need a Lokpal if we have investigating agencies. If we have problems with Investigating agencies, then why don't we solve them. Why to add one more mamoth bureaucracy? Why there is so much emphasis upon catching cuprits rather than preventing the corruption. [That does not mean that we should not have any ombudsman]

For example, if you make processes transparent and less complex, would not it reduce the corruption at first place. Would not it add a value to the economy if we improve ease of doing business conditions. And that would result in creating millions of jobs. That's what people want.

Janlokpal on the other hand could put a stop on economic growth due to its draconian nature. Practically such Lokpal will not work despite so much expectations. It can present very drastic results.

Bureaucrats already struggling to make decison which lead to delay in projects and thus keeping millions of Indian away from employment. JanLokpal would add more to it. I think its better to go back to basics and think logically rather than emotionally. You cannot rule out economics out of whole issue.



Is the present Congress govt. not a dictator?

It amends the constitution when it pleases, it buys MPs when it pleases in the Parliament during the vote of no-confidence against it.

Above all, it snatches the Roti from plate of the aam admi and benefits itself and people like Ambanis and DLF, it hikes gas and petrol prices at its sweet will, it increases electricity rates by its own sweet will, it forcefully acquires agricultural land at its own sweet will.

And Arvind whom you call a dictator even before his coming to power, is a dictator (if at all he can be called one) for the cause of the people - REMOVING CORRUPTION.

You say his Janlokpal is wrong. Is the Congress Lokpal okay where the whistlblower will be jailed if his complaint is found to be unsubstantiated? And who would judge whether the allegation is unsubstantiated or not - the same corrupt politicians and the corrupt police and CBI (Congress Bureau of Investigation).

In all the criticism to Arvind we can only see "HE WILL DO THIS WRONG, HE WILL DO THAT THING WRONG". But actually what wrong has he done so far is yet to be seen. It is therefore that I call all allegations against him baseless and farfetched.

[AbhikRana]

So according to you the past and the present corruption of the Congress IS not hurting business and economy. Rather it is the Janlokpal which WILL hurt the economy by removing corruption.

You have still not elaborated on how the so-called draconian Jan Lokpal will adversely affect the business and economy.

We all want transparent and corruption free investigating agencies like the police and the CBI. But who will make them independent for them to be effective. Have the politicians made them independent or transparent over the last 60 years? Can you expect them to do it now? NO. We as a nation have been independent for over 60 years and we still have all the evils that any society can complain of.

It is the civil society and its off-shoots like that Arvind that will bring about the change. I am not a soothsayer or a fortune-teller and neither believe you to be one. Hence, I would not buy into your argument that Arvind WILL do this thing wrong, Arvind WILL do that thing wrong.

Like any civilized and democratic society, we need to give him a chance to prove himself when we have already given over 60 years to the rascals from the mainstream political parties for misruling us.

I would not incentivize the current political dispensation by re-electing them in the name of saving the democracy which has been held to ransom by these political thugs.



Yes you are right in pointing out all these problems. But propose an effective solution. If Arvind propose an effective solution I will fully support it. Right now his solution has many flaws. Congress Lokpal has also problems.

But before proposing any Lokpal, isn't it good to get back to basics. Why we need a Lokpal if we have investigating agencies. If we have problems with Investigating agencies, then why don't we solve them. Why to add one more mamoth bureaucracy? Why there is so much emphasis upon catching cuprits rather than preventing the corruption. [That does not mean that we should not have any ombudsman]

For example, if you make processes transparent and less complex, would not it reduce the corruption at first place. Would not it add a value to the economy if we improve ease of doing business conditions. And that would result in creating millions of jobs. That's what people want.

Janlokpal on the other hand could put a stop on economic growth due to its draconian nature. Practically such Lokpal will not work despite so much expectations. It can present very drastic results.

Bureaucrats already struggling to make decison which lead to delay in projects and thus keeping millions of Indian away from employment. JanLokpal would add more to it. I think its better to go back to basics and think logically rather than emotionally. You cannot rule out economics out of whole issue.

[desijat]

Is the present Congress govt. not a dictator?

Had it been, the govt wont be running for shelter after FDI and Nuke bill


It amends the constitution when it pleases, it buys MPs when it pleases in the Parliament during the vote of no-confidence against it.

And the point of differentiation is? You think Congress would be stupid to let a guy with cash caught by BJP to flash money in that rude manner in parliament? Also, read investigation in the case


Above all, it snatches the Roti from plate of the aam admi and benefits itself and people like Ambanis and DLF, it hikes gas and petrol prices at its sweet will, it increases electricity rates by its own sweet will, it forcefully acquires agricultural land at its own sweet will.

Dont single out, even Modi has been charged with allegations of giving benefits to the same DLF in Gujrat. Point is, when you need development the govt will need land and land will come from somewhere, in our country agricultural land happens to be that land.

However, I am not denying that the means are fair to acquire, but blaming one out is not the solution.


And Arvind whom you call a dictator even before his coming to power, is a dictator (if at all he can be called one) for the cause of the people - REMOVING CORRUPTION.


We are not saying it, we dont even know him personally but people who know him or have worked with him are. Arvind's style is authoritarian and there is no denial in that. You can make that out from his interview style to media, you dont even need to know him personally to make that decision.



You say his Janlokpal is wrong. Is the Congress Lokpal okay where the whistlblower will be jailed if his complaint is found to be unsubstantiated? And who would judge whether the allegation is unsubstantiated or not - the same corrupt politicians and the corrupt police and CBI (Congress Bureau of Investigation).


To the point, I completely agree with Congress's point here and the reason is to avoid fake complaints and request for investigation else every one will start Kejriwal style of allegations without any solid proof to take out personal enmity.

This might a too far analogy but look at the dowry act, just on a complaint everyone from groom's side is taken to task by police because law requires so and a few times complaint are just to torture the in-laws and that is because law is weak enough to not to protect against fake complaints.

[Arvindc]

Yes you are right in pointing out all these problems. But propose an effective solution. If Arvind propose an effective solution I will fully support it. Right now his solution has many flaws. Congress Lokpal has also problems.

But before proposing any Lokpal, isn't it good to get back to basics. Why we need a Lokpal if we have investigating agencies. If we have problems with Investigating agencies, then why don't we solve them. Why to add one more mamoth bureaucracy? Why there is so much emphasis upon catching cuprits rather than preventing the corruption. [That does not mean that we should not have any ombudsman]

For example, if you make processes transparent and less complex, would not it reduce the corruption at first place. Would not it add a value to the economy if we improve ease of doing business conditions. And that would result in creating millions of jobs. That's what people want.

Janlokpal on the other hand could put a stop on economic growth due to its draconian nature. Practically such Lokpal will not work despite so much expectations. It can present very drastic results.

Bureaucrats already struggling to make decison which lead to delay in projects and thus keeping millions of Indian away from employment. JanLokpal would add more to it. I think its better to go back to basics and think logically rather than emotionally. You cannot rule out economics out of whole issue.

That's correct. And for all this we need a radical change in the system. Do you think this change can come from current stream of politicians? If not, then why oppose Arvind Kejriwal.

Pulling out something from a deep well (working against the gravitational force) requires efforts. He at least deserves praise for that. If, helping him, we are able to safely place it on the ground then that would be a success. If not, then at least we have got an experience of pulling it out which would help us in the next try.

So what's the harm in the try, specially when we are very much clear that we are loosing, if left as it is?

[AbhikRana]

My reply in bold pointwise.




Had it been, the govt wont be running for shelter after FDI and Nuke bill

The Congress Govt. is more than a dictator, acting as a commission agent for the multinationals wanting to set up shop in India. I am not getting into the merits of whether FDI is good or bad. But in a democracy, the Congress should have only moved ahead with the consensus of the other political parties before giving a green signal to FDI. Now it is trying to muster support in the parliament knowing fully well that it does not have the support on this issue from most of the other political parties including a few of its allies.





And the point of differentiation is? You think Congress would be stupid to let a guy with cash caught by BJP to flash money in that rude manner in parliament? Also, read investigation in the case

The big question is who investigated? Even in parliamentary panels the Congress and its allies have majority and they hush up the enquiries and give favourable results for the Congress which is a champion in manipulating the systems. Let us not forget the treatment meted out to Murli Manohar Joshi by the Congressmen.

Dont single out, even Modi has been charged with allegations of giving benefits to the same DLF in Gujrat. Point is, when you need development the govt will need land and land will come from somewhere, in our country agricultural land happens to be that land.

However, I am not denying that the means are fair to acquire, but blaming one out is not the solution.

It is common knowledge that a large tract of land in Gujarat especially the Kutch region (to where I have been) is arid land with not much of irrigation or cultivation. Modi's industrialisation policy categorically takes into account the development of such arid regions where the marginal farmers do not have much scope for earning from agriculture or animal farming. WHEREAS look at Haryana, most of the agriculture land has been forcefully acquired by the Congress in partnership with such land sharks as DLF by notification proceedings. AND YET WE JUSTIFY THE CONGRESS' HIGH HANDED TREATMENT OF THE FARMERS. AMAZING!!!

We are not saying it, we dont even know him personally but people who know him or have worked with him are. Arvind's style is authoritarian and there is no denial in that. You can make that out from his interview style to media, you dont even need to know him personally to make that decision.
That's your assumption and inference which is not substantiated by any solid facts or figures. Hence totally and utterly baseless.

To the point, I completely agree with Congress's point here and the reason is to avoid fake complaints and request for investigation else every one will start Kejriwal style of allegations without any solid proof to take out personal enmity.

There might be false allegations, so let's not investigate and enquire at all. What an approach. There is rampant and all too obvious corruption everywhere and yet you say that there are false allegations against corruption. Have you actually read the Jan Lokpal draft and the associated safeguards?? Please be kind to yourself by first reading the draft first before commenting on Arvind, Anna or Jan Lokpal bill which you are opposing before even trying it. Of course, there would be course corrections once it is implemented as all great pieces of legislation are. Or as per you the Govt. Lokpal is more than sufficient where if you complain, your allegation would be judged by the same corrupt politicians and the same corrupt police and then your allegation would be termed as false and then you would be put in jail. THERE IS NO SAFEGUARD TO THIS IN THE GOVT. LOKPAL. The result is that the Mango man would never dare to lodge a genuine complaint and by the way most of the complaints are genuine where people have to run from pillar to post to be heard especially so in the backdrop of the fact that to get an FIR lodged in this country is a herculean task because this FIR would not reflect good on the track record of the corrupt police.

!! Om Congress Namah !!

This might a too far analogy but look at the dowry act, just on a complaint everyone from groom's side is taken to task by police because law requires so and a few times complaint are just to torture the in-laws and that is because law is weak enough to not to protect against fake complaints.

[desijat]

Please reply like I did, it makes it easy to reply for other person.

Anyways, I find it fade to debate anyfurther. Like Rekha says, we agree to disagree and let us leave it there.



My reply in bold pointwise.

[AbhikRana]

Thanks for the formatting suggestion.

I am not sure of Rekha's suggestion, but we sure have difference of opinions (agree to disagree or disagree to agree).


Please reply like I did, it makes it easy to reply for other person.

Anyways, I find it fade to debate anyfurther. Like Rekha says, we agree to disagree and let us leave it there.

[vicky84]

Even Justice Shah has called it Draconian. [Justice Shah was named by Arvind for internal Lokpal.] Draconian because it undermines constitutional bodies. Draconian because it is unconstitutional.

Please answer my questions I raised in my previous posts rather than ranting unncessarily.



So according to you the past and the present corruption of the Congress IS not hurting business and economy. Rather it is the Janlokpal which WILL hurt the economy by removing corruption.

You have still not elaborated on how the so-called draconian Jan Lokpal will adversely affect the business and economy.

We all want transparent and corruption free investigating agencies like the police and the CBI. But who will make them independent for them to be effective. Have the politicians made them independent or transparent over the last 60 years? Can you expect them to do it now? NO. We as a nation have been independent for over 60 years and we still have all the evils that any society can complain of.

It is the civil society and its off-shoots like that Arvind that will bring about the change. I am not a soothsayer or a fortune-teller and neither believe you to be one. Hence, I would not buy into your argument that Arvind WILL do this thing wrong, Arvind WILL do that thing wrong.

Like any civilized and democratic society, we need to give him a chance to prove himself when we have already given over 60 years to the rascals from the mainstream political parties for misruling us.

I would not incentivize the current political dispensation by re-electing them in the name of saving the democracy which has been held to ransom by these political thugs.

[vicky84]

To the point, I completely agree with Congress's point here and the reason is to avoid fake complaints and request for investigation else every one will start Kejriwal style of allegations without any solid proof to take out personal enmity.

This might a too far analogy but look at the dowry act, just on a complaint everyone from groom's side is taken to task by police because law requires so and a few times complaint are just to torture the in-laws and that is because law is weak enough to not to protect against fake complaints.

I agree with you here..People will start making fake complaints and nothing will move. It will be lojam. Which will result in unemployment in the country.

[vicky84]

I think team Anna and Kezriwal and people of India are having high hopes in this short cut method to solve the problem of corruption. Short cuts like JanLokpal with so much flaws in them will prove counterproductive in every aspect. Corruption will not be eradicated, and damage to economy will be higher and higher.

[vicky84]

Arvind,

Read this :



http://www.dailypioneer.com/home/online-channel/363-oped/2473-defining-a-strong-effective-lokpal-bill.html

With mounting popular anger over corruption, various draft proposals for an effective and strong Lokpal Bill have surfaced. Each proposal fails to address the fundamental question of accountability. The final draft of the Lokpal Bill should take a holistic view of structural, constitutional and systemic reforms while ensuring justice is delivered. Here are some suggestions towards that end

There are now at least four draft proposals for what everyone fashions to be a strong and effective Lokpal. They all miss the point that no reform against corruption can derive strength from good intentions or ‘independence’ without clear accountability. Hence the Lokpal debate cannot be about a single agency, office or officer. Instead it has to be about a system of Government and a culture of governance rooted in the principle of accountability.

A strong and effective Lokpal Bill has to be one that takes a holistic view of structural reforms to the Constitution and systemic reforms to how laws are enforced and justice delivered. Unfortunately, all of the proposals in circulation only tinker with the idea of adding a new layer of bureaucracy without cleaning up the underlying mess.

The current political crisis in Indonesia is a stark pointer to the inadequacy of all of these proposals. In an interview to the Jakarta Globe on August 25, the chairman of Indonesia’s Corruption Eradication Committee admitted that fighting corruption was complex and the need of the hour for Indonesia were systemic reforms and bureaucratic reforms. This late wisdom coming nine years after Indonesia’s version of a Lokpal came into place.

India doesn’t need to waste another decade to learn what we already know today. Here is an outline for a strong Lokpal Bill that would be consistent with the principles of Ambedkarite constitutionalism.

This Lokpal Bill should be respectful of constitutional division of powers between the executive, the legislature and the judiciary and federalism. It should strive to establish checks and balances while recognising the elected people’s representatives as the only representatives of the people’s will. The Lokpal Bill may be a guiding template to States, but it should be left to each individual State to come up with its own legislation where appropriate. The Lokpal Bill must not impinge on States’ rights to make their own laws.

Objectives of the Lokpal Bill

The goal of the Lokpal Bill should not be to create a new expansive agency but to make existing agencies efficient and accountable. Hence the Lokpal Bill should strive to provide crystal clarity on what role existing agencies shall play and how they will be independent and accountable in dealing with situations where individuals acting on behalf of the Union Government, Parliament or judiciary must be investigated and prosecuted.

The Lokpal Bill must also not define new crimes nor define new kinds of punishments but must strive to remove ambiguity and ensure consistency in existing definitions so the Union Government, Parliament and judiciary when convicted of wrong doing do not enjoy special provisions or exceptions. Lastly, the Lokpal Bill must ensure that there is continuous monitoring and feedback on the effectiveness of such investigations and prosecutions through the creation of a new limited agency. This agency should be limited to monitoring effectiveness and make recommendations to Parliament on any corrective legislative or executive action.

Finally, the Lokpal Bill must strive to create a culture of accountability to the people by requiring people’s representatives and judiciary to be fully accountable to Parliament for conflicts of interest and ethics violations with respect to matters inside Parliament and courts. It must also strive to ensure there is no immunity from criminal prosecution for acts committed outside Parliament or courts.

With these objectives the Lokpal should legislate on constitutional reforms to ensure a culture of accountability within governance and on justice delivery reforms to ensure a system of Government that is fair, unbiased and committed to justice delivery.

Constitutional Reforms

BR Ambedkar in his speech in the Constituent Assembly introducing the draft Constitution explained how the draft tried to achieve responsibility in our system of Government at the expense of stability. Clearly, six decades on we have failed on both fronts with minority Governments giving instability and apathetic Governments shirking responsibility. Hence the goal of the constitutional reforms has to be about making the Prime Minister accountable.

This can be achieved if we consider the idea of adding a single non-voting seat to every State Assembly and to the Lok Sabha. This single non-voting seat could have for its constituency all eligible voters within that State in the case of a State Assembly and similarly it could have all of the eligible voters in India in the case of the Lok Sabha. During elections this all-State or all-India constituency could go to polls along with the other legislative and parliamentary constituencies. The person who gets elected to this non-voting Lok Sabha or Assembly seat could be automatically considered to be the Leader of the House as he or she would be reflecting the collective will of all the voters of that Legislative Assembly or Parliament. Since the seat is a non-voting addition to the strength of the House this seat will not change the balance of power in the legislature which continues to be same as before.

By virtue of being the leader of the House the person elected to the all-State or all-India constituency will have to be invited by the Governor or the President to form the next Government as the Chief Minister or Prime Minister. Irrespective of whether a party or a combination of parties has a legislative majority the Chief Minister or Prime Minister will have a fixed term which will be the same as the term of the legislature. Removal of the Chief Minister of Prime Minister would now require a higher legislative bar similar to a Presidential impeachment. The anti-defection law becomes redundant and irrelevant since the Government no longer depends on a simple majority in the legislature.

In the absence of anti-defection laws, a cultural shift could be effected wherein legislators across party lines can think independently and come together to propose bi-partisan Bills in a manner similar to what we see in the United States. The Chief Minister or Prime Minister could then also have the additional freedom to appoint members to his Cabinet from outside the legislature thus eliminating another source of instability and dissidence.

The net effect of the above constitutional amendments would be that the legislature could solely focus on its twin responsibilities of law-making and executive oversight. The stability of Governments would no longer be impacted by how fractured or fragmented the legislature is. Overall we could move towards a culture where the executive is focussed on law enforcement and the legislature on law-making while both keep the judiciary out of either responsibility thus restoring the balance of power and separation of powers intended by the Constitution.

A culture of direct accountability of the executive can be restored as against the current disturbing trend by which Chief Ministers and Prime Ministers have taken an indirect route office without contesting elections.




If not, then why oppose Arvind Kejriwal.

[vicky84]

Contd...



Justice Delivery Reforms

We must also consider recasting the Home Ministry into a separate for justice delivery which shall be responsible for all investigations and prosecutions within the jurisdiction of the Union Government. The justice Minister should control three agencies for investigations, prosecutions and vigilance. The Central Bureau of Investigation should be recast as the sole Federal Investigation Agency with clear jurisdiction instead of the current ad-hoc manner of referring investigations to CBI. The NIA and the CBI should be merged. The investigation agency should not require special permission to investigate and prosecute Members of Parliament or judiciary for conduct outside Parliamentary or conduct outside court proceedings.

The Central Attorney’s Office shall be responsible for conducting prosecutions. The Central Vigilance Commissioner shall be responsible for whistleblower protection. The appointment of the heads to these three agencies should be subject to approval by Parliament. The heads of all three agencies should be subject to parliamentary oversight for their conduct. The Justice Ministry should also be responsible for a quasi-Government National Justice Commission that harnesses judicial and prosecutorial talent and promotes excellence in those areas. The mission of this commission is to monitor the needs across the nation and to help State and local Governments add capacity with right talent.

In addition, the Supreme Court should be recast as a purely constitutional court with the discretion to take up or reject appeals based on their constitutional merit. Its primary role would be limited to interpreting the Constitution and ruling merely on constitutionality of decisions of lower courts and constitutionality of actions of all agencies of the State. Four Regional Appellate Courts should be set up for all appeals of decisions in lower courts. Appointment of all judges to Supreme Court and Regional Appellate Courts shall be subject to parliamentary approval upon the recommendation of the Ministry of Justice.

The Supreme Court should comprise a limited number of judges (an odd number less than 10) who should be appointed for life. There should be strict entry criteria for Public Interest Litigation to be taken up by the Supreme Court based purely on constitutional merit. The Supreme Court should not have the power to assume any executive functions including but not limited to — investigations, prosecutions, law making and other executive actions.

[vicky84]

More on the same lines:


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/lokpal-a-short-cut-that-will-not-work/1/165359.html


Danger

At the apex decision making level all that is required is steady progress of the transaction along the approval chain to keep negotiations ongoing with all the bidders until the end and then strike the best bargain with the one who is most likely to win. In the Bofors case, for example, the choice of the gun had nothing to do with the pay outs. Had any other gun been chosen, the same commissions would have been paid, except that the middleman, like Win Chaddha would have been different for each company. The agents who operate at the highest levels, (like the Hindujas were said to be) are guaranteed their share because it is known that bypassing them means risking the whole deal. Fear of detection has no impact whatsoever in a transaction of this kind. Fear of harassment from the vigilance agency on the other hand has a paralysing impact on the honest official who has only his carefully built record of integrity to be proud of.

This paralysis has already hit many Departments, like Defence, which have to take complex techno-commercial decisions. Internal file notations, in which officers were encouraged to freely express their opinions now undergo a pre-scrutiny to ensure that before pen is put to paper, the implications of each sentence are carefully worked out and an 'agreed' fully sanitised note is prepared. Officers who may not fall in line with such a procedure are simply replaced. Inconvenient notations are routinely replaced to ensure that the file becomes a controversy-free document.

Files which may not conform to this sanitising routine, are simply buried and once the personnel concerned have moved on or out, a new file started. And this is the situation within the ostensibly constrained environment that the CAG/ CVC/ CBI triad function under. We could soon have a situation where only the proactive rent seeker will do things and the honest will either conveniently slip out of the decision making process, or deflect the issue so that no decision is possible during his tenure. The bright officers will do what they are really good at- 'paralysis by analysis'. Any discerning observer can see that this kind of rot is already widespread. The Lokpal will ensure that such behaviour gets institutionalised





You have still not elaborated on how the so-called draconian Jan Lokpal will adversely affect the business and economy.

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[malikdeepak1]

Bhai Atish, saachi kahu to bhai PhD kar le.. 2 mhinya me ae daktr bn jyaga!! :stupid:

Topic mai bta dyu su research ka bhai ne "Electoral, Social, Political and Economic Reforms in India and their impact on socio-economic status of Indians!!" :triumphant:


http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?33590-ल्भ्क-लितरा&p=320274&viewfull=1#post320274

[spdeshwal]

Main accusations about Kejriwal's leadership is his autocratic/ dictatorial style!

So far, no clear evidence or instances provided by any member but mostly cut paste material from media fed by vested interests and pressure groups!
I am listing the main, so called democratic parties and their leaders for the members to evaluate whether they are less autocratic and corrupt than Arvind!

Smt. Sonia Gandhi....Indian National Congress
Nitin Gadkari/ RSS.....BJP
Mulayam Singh.........Samajwadi Party
Mayawati... Bahujan Samaj Party
Jaya Lalita.......AIDMK
Karunanidhi....DMK
OP Chautala.....INLD
Mamta banarjee....Trinmool Congress
Nitin Patnayak....Biju Janata Dal

I haven't mentioned communist and Janta Dal( NItish)'s Sharad Yadav as he is the head of party just for namesake but actually the powers are concentrated and the party and admin revolve around Nitish Kumar!
For me the less democratic parties CPI and CPM are most democratic parties!

Also I believe, Arvind alone stands tall in comparison with this bunch of Hippocrates ! I am not sure how far his crusade against this corrupt bunch would take him but strongly feel that it is our moral duty to support him!

Cheers!

[vicky84]

Main accusations about Kejriwal's leadership is his autocratic/ dictatorial style!

So far, no clear evidence or instances provided by any member but mostly cut paste material from media fed by vested interests and pressure groups!


Sir,

There are people leaving his group as he does not listen to them. One of the person is from US, who left his well paid job to join this movement but he had to leave the movement because Arvind is not open to suggestion. Other person is Sanjeev Sabhlok. He met Kezriwal and suggested that JanLokpal without considering systematic reforms may lead to drastic results. But Kezriwal is not listening.

It is well known that this JanLokpal cannot eradicate corruption in its current form. It needs modifications. Indonesia appointed similar Ombudsman but could eradicate not corruption because it did not consider "Systematic Reforms". Right now Indonesia is facing political crisis which results in an unstable government. And eventually less jobs for people in the country. Short Cuts never help. Instead they can damage, if not properly though out!!

[AbhikRana]

Atish, do you know the actual meaning of the word unconstitutional?

What is unconstitutional about Jan Lokpal? Please throw light.

For you corruption is not bad, but the people fighting corruption are bad. Very strange logic. Stranger than my so-called ranting.


Even Justice Shah has called it Draconian. [Justice Shah was named by Arvind for internal Lokpal.] Draconian because it undermines constitutional bodies. Draconian because it is unconstitutional.

Please answer my questions I raised in my previous posts rather than ranting unncessarily.

[vicky84]

Read the QUOTED post:


Apology in advance for Copy and Paste:



There are many loopholes in the Bill which I have discussed below:a) The three Pillars of Indian Democracy – namely the Legislature, Executive and Judiciary – keep checks and balances on the other, and so they must remain separate, because that’s the only way to ensure that there is no abuse of power. The Jan Lokpal intends to disturb this fine balance by virtually creating a fourth pillar. It intends to create an Executive outside the constitutional framework, answerable to nobody. Chances of such an organization getting corrupted by the sheer lust for power are much greater than the Executive functioning within a constitutional framework, where checks and balances ensure accountability

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/193356/jan-lokpal-bill-unconstitutional-dangerous.html


Atish, do you know the actual meaning of the word unconstitutional?

What is unconstitutional about Jan Lokpal? Please throw light.

For you corruption is not bad, but the people fighting corruption are bad. Very strange logic. Stranger than my so-called ranting.

I am not saying don't do anything. Do some sensible work. Short Cuts never work. You don't need to spend time and risk the system. You can learn from others. Examples are in front of us.

[AbhikRana]

As said earlier in one of the posts, Constitution is our supreme document, yet it is an organic document, which means that it has to keep on adapting to the changing needs of the country and the citizens.

You can quote N number of planted (motivated) media reports, but there is no clause in Jan Lokpal which is explicitly or implicitly against the constitution. And if at all there is one in the future, then the constitution needs to be amended for the betterment of the society unlike in the past when mainly it has been amended for petty political gains of the rascals.

India needs a strong leader who is a no-nonsense person having the courage to take tough decisions and that too fast because the country has already been eaten by the termite (politicians especially the Congressies) and is in a downward spiral. If no action is taken soon enough, the country will reach a point of no - return.

It is really appalling that the critics of Arvind still hope that the present breed of politicians will actually act to cleanse the system that they themselves made dirty. Let's stop living in fool's paradise!

Draconian and unconstitutional are strong words which have far-reaching ramifications and implications. So, let's start using them after giving it a proper thought.

[vicky84]

What to prove now. You are behaving like Arvind Kezriwal. You are not bending a inch and being inflexible. By all means this Janlokpal is dangerous to the system and country. We live in democratic country and we should respect democracy. My way of Highway never work in democratic country. No sane person would ever advise a stupid solution which will never and nowhere worked without considering the Systematic reforms.


As said earlier in one of the posts, Constitution is our supreme document, yet it is an organic document, which means that it has to keep on adapting to the changing needs of the country and the citizens.

You can quote N number of planted (motivated) media reports, but there is no clause in Jan Lokpal which is explicitly or implicitly against the constitution. And if at all there is one in the future, then the constitution needs to be amended for the betterment of the society unlike in the past when mainly it has been amended for petty political gains of the rascals.

India needs a strong leader who is a no-nonsense person having the courage to take tough decisions and that too fast because the country has already been eaten by the termite (politicians especially the Congressies) and is in a downward spiral. If no action is taken soon enough, the country will reach a point of no - return.

It is really appalling that the critics of Arvind still hope that the present breed of politicians will actually act to cleanse the system that they themselves made dirty. Let's stop living in fool's paradise!

Draconian and unconstitutional are strong words which have far-reaching ramifications and implications. So, let's start using them after giving it a proper thought.

[desijat]

You are behaving like Arvind Kezriwal.

The story of Jatland

[AbhikRana]

Jan Lokpal draft was prepared after incorporating suggestions from countless people from across the nation. And the draft is not the final document. It would be fine-tuned further according the demands of the system.

You do not have an alternative to Arvind Kejriwal. So, as per you the people should keep tolerating these present rascals. That's the way to go!!


What to prove now. You are behaving like Arvind Kezriwal. You are not bending a inch and being inflexible. By all means this Janlokpal is dangerous to the system and country. We live in democratic country and we should respect democracy. My way of Highway never work in democratic country. No sane person would ever advise a stupid solution which will never and nowhere worked without considering the Systematic reforms.

[vicky84]

I am not saying tolerate these rascals. But it is good to consider all point of views. In my opinion you should be open to suggestion and listen to them. Amendments are must in current JanLokpal otherwise we will realize later(But that realization will come after huge loss).


Jan Lokpal draft was prepared after incorporating suggestions from countless people from across the nation. And the draft is not the final document. It would be fine-tuned further according the demands of the system.

You do not have an alternative to Arvind Kejriwal. So, as per you the people should keep tolerating these present rascals. That's the way to go!!

[AbhikRana]

I agree with you that amendments have to be made as per the demands of the situation and am sure they would be made once it is implemented and the need for the amendments arises.


I am not saying tolerate these rascals. But it is good to consider all point of views. In my opinion you should be open to suggestion and listen to them. Amendments are must in current JanLokpal otherwise we will realize later(But that realization will come after huge loss).

[vicky84]

I still feel that there is no point in adding another layer of Mamoth Bureaucracy. I feel, make changes to existing investigating agencies and get rid of all loopholes. I don't think we need to waste huge tax payers money unnecessarily when things can be done within in the ambit of current system. I feel corruption can only be eliminated when you make system transparent, simple and straight.

A lot of corruption can simply be removed by making our system simple. Technology can help in to a great extent. I believe in simple saying: Prevention is better than cure. I don't want to waste my energy and resources to chase criminals after letting them crime. Rather I don't let them do the crime. I think people are living in a fool's paradise if they think that JanLokpal will eradicate corruption. It does not work like that.


I agree with you that amendments have to be made as per the demands of the situation and am sure they would be made once it is implemented and the need for the amendments arises.

[DrRajpalSingh]

Niyat theek ho to sabh kuchh theek ho sakata hai.

Corruption rokane ke liye pahle bhi to bahut sare qanoon hain.

[Arvindc]

"RTI has been used extensively by general public ever since it was introduced. This has certainly brought more transparency to the system."
Absolutely in agreement , however RTI was not launched over night --rather an effort of years .
Also it was not launched via launching some political party and so called anshans .
Agar RTI---bina kissi drama , anshans , n media attention ke launch hua -----toh why not other reforms . Its just tab how can someone would fulfill ambition of being in politics .


I read somewhere about same long time back when RTI was launched , coz I was curious aise kaise Govt jag gayee , tab read contribution of Aruna Roy n others for RTI. Nothing much I have found in support of my statement , I guess below mentioned link might support what I have said-

http://www.rtigateway.org.in/Documents/References/English/Reports/12.%20An%20article%20on%20RTI%20by%20Harsh%20Mande r.pdf

This link says (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/arvind-kejriwal-bomb-thrower-of-indian-politics-291118), Mr. Kejriwal grew disillusioned by the scale of corruption and quietly got involved in the nationwide effort by civil society groups that resulted in the Right to Information, the 2005 law that established a public right to access official records and documents. He had taken a formal leave from the tax bureau in 2000 and would earn international recognition after founding Parivartan, a nonprofit group focused on government transparency and accountability.

Doesn't this makes Mr. Kejriwal a better judge to decide on the methods of achieving the goal?

Finding a fault is many times easier than the rectification. A person who him/her self can not formulate a better method, shouldn't at least disgrace the attempts by others.

[AbhikRana]

According to you the system should be transparent, simple and straight within the ambit of the current system.

The big question is WHO IS GOING TO DO THAT? The same rascals who have so far destroyed the system?

You keep mentioning about the system but who is going to improve it if not Arvind? Please suggest.


I still feel that there is no point in adding another layer of Mamoth Bureaucracy. I feel, make changes to existing investigating agencies and get rid of all loopholes. I don't think we need to waste huge tax payers money unnecessarily when things can be done within in the ambit of current system. I feel corruption can only be eliminated when you make system transparent, simple and straight.

A lot of corruption can simply be removed by making our system simple. Technology can help in to a great extent. I believe in simple saying: Prevention is better than cure. I don't want to waste my energy and resources to chase criminals after letting them crime. Rather I don't let them do the crime. I think people are living in a fool's paradise if they think that JanLokpal will eradicate corruption. It does not work like that.

[Arvindc]

Niyat theek ho to sabh kuchh theek ho sakata hai.

Corruption rokane ke liye pahle bhi to bahut sare qanoon hain.

A correction:

"Corruption rokane ke liye pahle bhi to bahut sare ​nakaam qanoon hain."

[AbhikRana]

Mr. Kejriwal is doing a good job and we all know that in our hearts. Yet, there are always going to be naysayers who would try to find one thing or the other wrong. As someone has rightly said you cannot keep all the people happy all the time.

Mr. Kejriwal will continue with his good work irrespective of unnecessary, irrational and unfounded criticism of his efforts by some vested interests.

Indian public has been cheated by the current breed of politicians (rascals and thugs and mainly among them the Congressies), but no longer now!!


This link says, Mr. Kejriwal grew disillusioned by the scale of corruption and quietly got involved in the nationwide effort by civil society groups that resulted in the Right to Information, the 2005 law that established a public right to access official records and documents. He had taken a formal leave from the tax bureau in 2000 and would earn international recognition after founding Parivartan, a nonprofit group focused on government transparency and accountability.

Doesn't this makes Mr. Kejriwal a better judge to decide on the methods of achieving the goal?

Finding a fault is many times easier than the rectification. A person who him/her self can not formulate a better method, shouldn't at least disgrace the attempts by others.

[desijat]

This link says, Mr. Kejriwal grew disillusioned by the scale of corruption and quietly got involved in the nationwide effort by civil society groups that resulted in the Right to Information, the 2005 law that established a public right to access official records and documents. He had taken a formal leave from the tax bureau in 2000 and would earn international recognition after founding Parivartan, a nonprofit group focused on government transparency and accountability.

The dues of the same leave were paid back to govt after courts intervention, he did not serve his due time as per contract after the leave, does not that make him a cheater, mistrustful and exploiter of system?

[Arvindc]

The dues of the same leave were paid back to govt after courts intervention, he did not serve his due time as per contract after the leave, does not that make him a cheater, mistrustful and exploiter of system?
Nope. Haven't you heard? To err is human.

Is one instance enough for putting all these labels on him? Think again.
He is not and was not is the habit of doing that.

[desijat]

There are more instances, please go through the entire thread.

Nope. Haven't you heard? To err is human.

Is one instance enough for putting all these labels on him? Think again.
He is not and was not is the habit of doing that.

[subhashmahla]

Mr. Kejriwal says he wants to clean up Indian politics. In that case, the broom might work as a symbol of cleanliness. Although some regional parties have used it in previous elections, it’s still up for grabs. Given Mr. Kejriwal is media-savvy, he will want to take into account the fact that, if he does well, the symbol will make Indian headline writers’ jobs easier (“Clean Sweep for Kejriwal,” “Kejriwal Sweeps Away His Rivals,” etc.) But does the broom adequately convey the combative style of Mr. Kejriwal?:)

[vicky84]

Perhaps a communist flag or a symbol of Nazism(Swastika) endorsed by Adolf Hitler would suit well to Kezriwal Party!!

But does the broom adequately convey the combative style of Mr. Kejriwal?:)

[vicky84]

Well at least not Kezriwal. That's for sure. A lot of people have suggested him right things but he does not listen. Even current government has taken some realistic measures to curb the corruption which is much better than Kezriwal Solution. As far as alternate is concerned, I think there are many peoplewoking quietly for a political infrastructure change. Jay Parkash Narayan(Former IAS Officer), brain behind RTI and founder of LokSatta Party is working hard for political, bureaucratic reforms, systematic reforms. His party has won 1 seat in Andhra Assembly election. Other person is Deepak Mittal(Businessman from Haryana). He is also working hard to bring required and realistic reforms. Last but not least, Sanjeev Sabhlok(Former IAS Officer). He is also working hard towards cleaning up the mess. Right now he is recruiting people who can bring change to current system. There may be more. But a left leaner like Arvind Kezriwal will not prove any good for country if he keeps on enforcing his ideology like a dictator.




You keep mentioning about the system but who is going to improve it if not Arvind? Please suggest.

[vicky84]

Would like to bring to your attention. A Pragmatic way of curbing corruption. The Article published yesterday on "The Hindu".

Make the laws realistic to go after corruption


India does not need a revolution or other radical measures to subdue the monster of corruption. Even marginal changes to the existing laws can unleash lasting improvements to governance.

The recent expose of massive corruption in government has made people wonder whether crookedness is a typical Indian trait. The national mood is sullen, cynical and despondent. Are Indians are incorrigibly venal? Is dishonesty embedded in our DNA? Are our brains wired to corruption?
The all-pervasive despair is unwarranted. India is not destined to live with corruption. Indian politicians, businessmen and bureaucrats are only as honest or crooked as their counterparts across the world, including the West.

Why then is corruption rampant in India? The hullabaloo over the recent scams has diverted public attention from the causes of corruption. Let us examine one of the little talked about causes — the complexity of our laws.
Law-making is still being held hostage to the colonial mindset of command and control. Indian laws are typically known for their complexity, obtuseness and ambiguity. Lack of clarity and transparency makes our laws fertile breeding grounds for corruption because the bureaucracy has arrogated to itself the powers to interpret laws at their discretion.

It will not be an exaggeration to say that it is virtually impossible to be entirely honest to survive in business or access services from the government. We enact tough laws which everybody knows are difficult to observe in letter and in spirit.

Anybody setting up a new business or factory has to comply with a plethora of statutory requirements. It is not argued here that regulations are bad. But the rules should not be so unrealistically stringent as to make compliance impossible. It appears that the purpose of regulation is not to enforce responsible behaviour among people and protect society but to provide an avenue for corrupt officials to make easy money. It seems that strict laws are made not be observed but to be paid lip service with the connivance of corrupt officials. For instance, many cracker units are allowed to function in unsafe conditions. There is no dearth of laws to regulate these units. But who cares whether these units comply with the laws so long as money changes hands.
The statute book is littered with obsolete laws which have outlived their utility. They are allowed to continue only as a source of corruption. Road contractors have to bid at low rates because the official rates are not periodically revised in accordance with inflation. The contractor tries to make a profit by tampering with the quality and quantity of materials. All these are done with the connivance of officials.


Sometimes, absence of any law helps corrupt politicians enrich themselves at the expense of the exchequer. The absence of a transparent policy for allocating spectrum and coal blocks led to a massive loss of revenue for the government.
Drafting of laws often involves subterfuge. For instance, people with criminal backgrounds are able to contest elections and enter legislative bodies because the law states that they must have been convicted to be prevented from entering the fray. This provision has been deliberately inserted with the knowledge that criminal trials normally take a decade or two to be completed. The ostensible justification for this ridiculous law is that frivolous litigation could be used to prevent politicians from contesting. The law could have stated that any criminal case pending for more than say six years would trigger disqualification.

Our State governments continue with the old paper-based administration, leading to opaqueness in the functioning of departments. The success of the passenger reservation system of the Railways is testimony to the fact that electronic interface between the public and the government is a sure recipe for reducing corruption.

All routine decisions except those relating to national security should be put on websites on a real-time basis. A shift to total e-governance is long overdue.

India does not need a revolution or other radical measures to subdue the monster of corruption. Even marginal changes to the existing laws can catalyse and unleash lasting improvements to governance. The numerous reports of the Law Commission and the Administrative Reforms Commission gathering dust in the corridors of power should be retrieved, re-examined and their well-intentioned recommendations implemented.
The challenge before the people is how to make the political class realise that the old order must change yielding place to the new.



Mr. Kejriwal will continue with his good work irrespective of unnecessary, irrational and unfounded criticism of his efforts by some vested interests.

[VPannu]

Jay Parkash Narayan(Former IAS Officer), brain behind RTI and founder of LokSatta Party bhai Atish, इस जय परकाश का जिक्र तन्ने पहले भी करा था की RTI लाने में इसका बहोत बड़ा योगदान था । नेट पे ढूँढने पर कहीं कोई जानकारी मिली नहीं इसके योगदान की । केजरीवाल को जरूर मग्सेसे अवार्ड मिला था इसके लिए । (Pardon me for being ignorant but I'd love to read/know about his contributions.)
Last but not least, Sanjeev Sabhlok(Former IAS Officer). He is also working hard towards cleaning up the mess. Right now he is recruiting people who can bring change to current system. There may be more. But a left leaner like Arvind Kezriwal will not prove any good for country if he keeps on enforcing his ideology like a dictator.Sabhlok तो भाई ऑस्ट्रेलिया में बैठा है सेटल हो के । IAS जरूर था , पर इस्तीफा दे के विदेश में आ लिया । और फिलहाल विक्टोरिया गवर्नमेंट में काम करे है । http://au.linkedin.com/in/sabhlok । इतना ही क्रांति या देश में परिवर्तन करने का शौक होता तो खुद यहाँ बैठ के चैन की रोटिय नहीं तोड़ रहा होता । I don't mean to belittle anyone's contributions towards the anti-corruption drive but there is definitely a lot of difference in being a facebook/keyboard warrior and fighting the battle in the field itself.

[DrRajpalSingh]

bhai Atish, इस जय परकाश का जिक्र तन्ने पहले भी करा था की RTI लाने में इसका बहोत बड़ा योगदान था । नेट पे ढूँढने पर कहीं कोई जानकारी मिली नहीं इसके योगदान की । केजरीवाल को जरूर मग्सेसे अवार्ड मिला था इसके लिए । (Pardon me for being ignorant but I'd love to read/know about his contributions.)Sabhlok तो भाई ऑस्ट्रेलिया में बैठा है सेटल हो के । IAS जरूर था , पर इस्तीफा दे के विदेश में आ लिया । और फिलहाल विक्टोरिया गवर्नमेंट में काम करे है । http://au.linkedin.com/in/sabhlok । इतना ही क्रांति या देश में परिवर्तन करने का शौक होता तो खुद यहाँ बैठ के चैन की रोटिय नहीं तोड़ रहा होता । I don't mean to belittle anyone's contributions towards the anti-corruption drive but there is definitely a lot of difference in being a facebook/keyboard warrior and fighting the battle in the field itself.

You are right.

It is easy for Arm chair thinkers of 'change' sitting in air conditioned bungalows to sell their ideas than to act in field for their implementation.

[AbhikRana]

Well, Atish if according to you the present Congress govt. of looters and thugs is better than Arvind Kejriwal, I don't think I have anything more to discuss with you!!

Godspeed to Arvind Kejriwal!


Well at least not Kezriwal. That's for sure. A lot of people have suggested him right things but he does not listen. Even current government has taken some realistic measures to curb the corruption which is much better than Kezriwal Solution. As far as alternate is concerned, I think there are many peoplewoking quietly for a political infrastructure change. Jay Parkash Narayan(Former IAS Officer), brain behind RTI and founder of LokSatta Party is working hard for political, bureaucratic reforms, systematic reforms. His party has won 1 seat in Andhra Assembly election. Other person is Deepak Mittal(Businessman from Haryana). He is also working hard to bring required and realistic reforms. Last but not least, Sanjeev Sabhlok(Former IAS Officer). He is also working hard towards cleaning up the mess. Right now he is recruiting people who can bring change to current system. There may be more. But a left leaner like Arvind Kezriwal will not prove any good for country if he keeps on enforcing his ideology like a dictator.

[vicky84]

bhai Atish, इस जय परकाश का जिक्र तन्ने पहले भी करा था की RTI लाने में इसका बहोत बड़ा योगदान था । नेट पे ढूँढने पर कहीं कोई जानकारी मिली नहीं इसके योगदान की । केजरीवाल को जरूर मग्सेसे अवार्ड मिला था इसके लिए । (Pardon me for being ignorant but I'd love to read/know about his contributions.)


This keh sai Pannu,, Ek Kezriwal nai a laa rakhi sai RTI,,

Jay Prakash Naryana was the member of Second Administrative Reform Commission. RTI was drafted by him and few others. Not only RTI, but also read about other initiatives.

http://darpg.nic.in/darpgwebsite_cms/Document/file/ccadmin12.pdf

http://arc.gov.in/rtifinalreport.pdf





Sabhlok तो भाई ऑस्ट्रेलिया में बैठा है सेटल हो के । IAS जरूर था , पर इस्तीफा दे के विदेश में आ लिया । और फिलहाल विक्टोरिया गवर्नमेंट में काम करे है । http://au.linkedin.com/in/sabhlok । इतना ही क्रांति या देश में परिवर्तन करने का शौक होता तो खुद यहाँ बैठ के चैन की रोटिय नहीं तोड़ रहा होता । I don't mean to belittle anyone's contributions towards the anti-corruption drive but there is definitely a lot of difference in being a facebook/keyboard warrior and fighting the battle in the field itself.
I agree with you to some extent that its better to work in India rather than sitting abroad. He tried to do so, way back in 1998,1999. But did not get enough support. Not everyone become successful. But at least his policies make sense and are realistic whereas JanLokpal is highly flawed. No expert would endorse such a crap system which will backfire and hurt badly. No Economist would suggest such a crap system to tackle with corruption. If it was that easy, Indonesia would have been a corruption free country by now. It does not work like that. I don't think any shortcut methods like Lokpal would ever work in what we want and expect. I am not against Kezriwal but I am against his policies. You won't find any law expert or an economist supporting Kezriwal's Lokpal as it is. It needs a lot of change. As I said earlier as well. We don't need it at all. To some extent what Kezriwal has proposed can be incorporated into current agencies. But still there is no need to add another layer of huge bureaucracy!

[vikram.dahiya]

भाई मेरा मानना तो ये है की अब तक सभी राजनैतिक दलों ने देश की जनता को बेवकूफ बनाया है, कांग्रेस हो या बीजेपी या हो i n l d या कोई और दल सब एक दुसरे की बुराई करके अपनी अपनी वोट बटोर के ले जाते है।अभी तक सबने देश को लूटा है जिसको जितना मौका मिला उसने उतना ही लूट लिया बल्कि मैं तो ये कहूँगा की देश को नोच - नोच के खा रहे ह सभी के सभी। अब आम आदमी करे तो क्या करे ????
मेरी अभी तक एक भी वोट किसी अच्छी पार्टी को नहीं गई क्योकि अच्छा कोई मिला ही नहीं। मैं वोट दू तो किसको दू ?? कांग्रेस ?, बी जे पी ?, चौटाला ? कुलदीप ?, निर्दलीय ?
अच्छा विकल्प ही नहीं मिला आज तक और वोट डालनी भी ज़रूरी है
कुल मिलकर बात ऐसी है की आज तक की सारी वोट बरबाद गई .


मैं बिलकुल नहीं कहता की अरविन्द अच्छा करेगा अगर उनकी सरकार आ गई तो लेकिन अब ये सोचकर उनकी पार्टी को वोट दूंगा की शायद कुछ अच्छा करदे

[vikram.dahiya]

अक बात और कहना चाहूँगा की इन्टरनेट से कॉपी , पेस्ट करने के बजाय अपने खुद के विचार रखे तो ज्यादा बेहतर है

[DrRajpalSingh]

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अच्छा विकल्प ही नहीं मिला आज तक और वोट डालनी भी ज़रूरी है
कुल मिलकर बात ऐसी है की आज तक की सारी वोट बरबाद गई .


मैं बिलकुल नहीं कहता की अरविन्द अच्छा करेगा अगर उनकी सरकार आ गई तो लेकिन अब ये सोचकर उनकी पार्टी को वोट दूंगा की शायद कुछ अच्छा करदे


Aap Kejariwal aur uski anaam political outfit se kya achha kar dene kee apeksha rakhate hain. Jara share karane kee kripa kijiyaga.

[vicky84]

Yes, I am seriuous. Its the congress party which brought in RTI and other reforms which are far better and pragmatic than JanLokpal. Its due to RTI, a lot of information is in front of public and lot of scams got unearthed! Congress has taken some more initiatves like e-governance etc. BJP and other parties should come with some releastic solutions rather than causing public disruptions and sensationalising the issue of corruption.


Well, Atish if according to you the present Congress govt. of looters and thugs is better than Arvind Kejriwal, I don't think I have anything more to discuss with you!!

Godspeed to Arvind Kejriwal!

[vikram.dahiya]

Kejariwal aur uski anaam political outfit se main ye achha kar dene kee apeksha rakhata hu

1. Janlokpal Bill
2. right to recall
3. right to reject
4. education
5. प्राकृतिक संसाधनों को लुटने से बचाना

[vikram.dahiya]

Aap Kejariwal aur uski anaam political outfit se kya achha kar dene kee apeksha rakhate hain. Jara share karane kee kripa kijiyaga.

Kejariwal aur uski anaam political outfit se main ye achha kar dene kee apeksha rakhata hu

1. Janlokpal Bill
2. right to recall
3. right to reject
4. education
5. प्राकृतिक संसाधनों को लुटने से बचाना

[vikram.dahiya]

yes, i am seriuous. Its the congress party which brought in rti and other reforms which are far better and pragmatic than janlokpal. Its due to rti, a lot of information is in front of public and lot of scams got unearthed! Congress has taken some more initiatves like e-governance etc. Bjp and other parties should come with some releastic solutions rather than causing public disruptions and sensationalising the issue of corruption.

मैं आपकी बात से बिलकुल सहमत हु की rti कांग्रेस ने लागू किया था लेकिन यही कांग्रेस कुछ दिन पहले तक rti को कमजोर करने पर क्यों तुली हुई थी ???और अब आप ये भी बता दो की कांग्रेस की सरकार में घोटाले कितने हुए हैं

[vicky84]

I compared Lokpal with RTI. RTI is more powerful and effective than dangerous and useless JanLokpal Bill. Please go through previous posts and read them.

Also, please go through the link below: (Expert Opinion)

Lokpal will double corruption: Justice Katju



http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-08-06/india/33064304_1_lokpal-bill-justice-katju-anna-hazare


मैं आपकी बात से बिलकुल सहमत हु की rti कांग्रेस ने लागू किया था लेकिन यही कांग्रेस कुछ दिन पहले तक rti को कमजोर करने पर क्यों तुली हुई थी ???और अब आप ये भी बता दो की कांग्रेस की सरकार में घोटाले कितने हुए हैं

[desijat]

Good to hear bullet points, but could you please elaborate?


Kejariwal aur uski anaam political outfit se main ye achha kar dene kee apeksha rakhata hu

1. Janlokpal Bill
2. right to recall
3. right to reject
4. education
5. प्राकृतिक संसाधनों को लुटने से बचाना

[vikram.dahiya]

Good to hear bullet points, but could you please elaborate?

भाई साहब आपको साड़ी बाते लिखने में मुझे बोहत टाइम लग जायेगा आप एक काम कीजिये की अरविन्द केजरीवाल की लिखी हुई किताब "स्वराज " पढ़ लो।आपको सब पता लग जायेगा की क्या उनकी ना सोच है और कैसे वो काम करना चाहते है। और उसमे इन सभी पॉइंट्स के बारे में भी लिखा हुआ है .
एक तरह से ये किताब उनका चुनावी घोषणा पत्र है भी है और वो कैसे काम करना चाहते है ये भी आपको पता लग जायेगा . अगर उसमे कुछ गलत लिखा हो
तो मुझे भी ज़रूर बताना फिर मैं भी उनसे (केजरीवाल एंड पार्टी ) उनका ज़बाब जानना चाहूँगा

[vikram.dahiya]

I compared Lokpal with RTI. RTI is more powerful and effective than dangerous and useless JanLokpal Bill. Please go through previous posts and read them.

Also, please go through the link below: (Expert Opinion)

Lokpal will double corruption: Justice Katju



http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-08-06/india/33064304_1_lokpal-bill-justice-katju-anna-hazare


भाई मोहन काटजू क्या कहता है इसको छोडो और अपने विचार भी रखो ना , क्या काटजू आपसे ज्यादा समझदार है ??हमने एक दुसरे के विचार जानने है न की काटजू के .


RTI की मैंने कभी बुराई नहीं की वो सच में ही बोहत अच्छा कानून है लेकिन हमारे नेता इसको की कमजोर करना चाहते थे आपको पता ह न ये बात .


और जनलोकपाल बेकार क्यों है ?? जनलोकपाल corrupt लोगो सजा देने के लिए है न कि करप्शन को बढ़ावा देने के लिए .और जो नेता और पार्टी जनलोकपाल का विरोध कर रही है वो सभी corrupt है। उन सभी को पता है की अगर जनलोकपाल आ गया तो हम सभी को जेल जाना पड़ेगा।


क्या आपको पता है की सरकारी लोकपाल और जनलोकपाल में क्या फर्क है ??? सरकारी लोकपाल बोहत ही बेकार है . सरकारी लोकपाल ऐसा है जिससे corrupt लोगो को फायदा होगा आम आदमी को नहीं। आम आदमी को फायदा होगा
तो बस जनलोकपाल से .

[vicky84]

Bhai is thread mein maine kayi post ki hui hain..shayad aapne wo padhi nahi hai.


भाई मोहन काटजू क्या कहता है इसको छोडो और अपने विचार भी रखो ना , क्या काटजू आपसे ज्यादा समझदार है ??हमने एक दुसरे के विचार जानने है न की काटजू के .

[ravinderpannu]

Bhai Atishe,,

I belive u are also behaving like KEJRIWAL,,,in all the previous posts u have said or quoted almost the same thing in same tune ,,only wordings were little different...!!!

I don't know many things like you brohters,,but surely know one thing is that unless we put efforts to eradicate corruption,, it will persist so we need someone(Kejriwal type)-something(lokpal type) persistently hammering the system to remove its dents...!!!


What to prove now. You are behaving like Arvind Kezriwal. You are not bending a inch and being inflexible. By all means this Janlokpal is dangerous to the system and country. We live in democratic country and we should respect democracy. My way of Highway never work in democratic country. No sane person would ever advise a stupid solution which will never and nowhere worked without considering the Systematic reforms.

[ravinderpannu]

Plz don't link SWASTIKA with NAZISM..!!!!
think before u write brother..!!!


Perhaps a communist flag or a symbol of Nazism(Swastika) endorsed by Adolf Hitler would suit well to Kezriwal Party!!

[SandeepSirohi]

अगर अरविन्द केजरीवाल को छोडकर बाकि पार्टियों की बात करे तो सब एक जैसे ही तो है|

* सब तरक्की की बात करते है |(जब चुनाव आते है)
* सब भ्रष्टाचार मिटने की बात करते है |(जब चुनाव आते है)
* सब गरीबी मिटने की बात करते है | (जब चुनाव आते है)
* सब महंगाई मिटने की बात करते है | (जब चुनाव आते है)
* सब काले धन के बारे में बात करते है, कुछ बात करते है कुछ वापस लेन की बात करते है कुछ चुप लगा जाते है | (निरंतर जारी पर स्पीड बढ़ जाती है जब चुनाव आते है)
* एक दूसरे पर कीचड उछालते है ओर दूसरे के घोटालों को खोद खोद कर ढूंढते है | (निरंतर जारी पर स्पीड बढ़ जाती है जब चुनाव आते है)

अब सवाल ये है की कोन सही है ओर कोन गलत | हर पार्टी में कोई ना कोई एक दो आदमी ठीक ठाक मिलेगा बस, ओर सब बरबाद |
अब मुद्दा आता है अरविन्द केजरीवाल का ? जो यहाँ चल रहा है :
अरविन्द भी तो यही सब कर रहा है जो सारी पार्टिया करती है , जो मैंने उपर लिखा है (थोड़े से पॉइंट) बस फर्क इतना है की अभी वो बाकि सबसे ठीक ठाक है | में लोकपाल या आर टी आई की बात नहीं कर रहा हू केवल पोलिटिकल पार्टियों की बात कर रहा हू | अब अरविन्द ने अपनी पार्टी बना ली वो भी इन्ही लोगो में शामिल हो गया | अगर अच्छा रहता है ओर करता है तो बुराई क्या है ?

P.S. : I am not political at all.

[desijat]

Bhai, use apni kitab ki sale badhwani thi to bol dia meri kitab padho. Aap ko lagta hai public ke pass itna time hoga ki wo uski neeti janne ke lie uski sari kitab padhenge? Aap hi thoda sankshep mein bata do aapne to padhi hai





भाई साहब आपको साड़ी बाते लिखने में मुझे बोहत टाइम लग जायेगा आप एक काम कीजिये की अरविन्द केजरीवाल की लिखी हुई किताब "स्वराज " पढ़ लो।आपको सब पता लग जायेगा की क्या उनकी ना सोच है और कैसे वो काम करना चाहते है। और उसमे इन सभी पॉइंट्स के बारे में भी लिखा हुआ है .
एक तरह से ये किताब उनका चुनावी घोषणा पत्र है भी है और वो कैसे काम करना चाहते है ये भी आपको पता लग जायेगा . अगर उसमे कुछ गलत लिखा हो
तो मुझे भी ज़रूर बताना फिर मैं भी उनसे (केजरीवाल एंड पार्टी ) उनका ज़बाब जानना चाहूँगा

[desijat]

Bhai Atishe,,

I belive u are also behaving like KEJRIWAL,,,i

Kudos Atish, you will get a bunch of blind supporters soon. Start looking for banned JL accounts to get them reactivated like his electricity brigade :applause:

[desijat]

* सब तरक्की की बात करते है |(जब चुनाव आते है)
* सब भ्रष्टाचार मिटने की बात करते है |(जब चुनाव आते है)
* सब गरीबी मिटने की बात करते है | (जब चुनाव आते है)
* सब महंगाई मिटने की बात करते है | (जब चुनाव आते है)
* सब काले धन के बारे में बात करते है, कुछ बात करते है कुछ वापस लेन की बात करते है कुछ चुप लगा जाते है | (निरंतर जारी पर स्पीड बढ़ जाती है जब चुनाव आते है)
* एक दूसरे पर कीचड उछालते है ओर दूसरे के घोटालों को खोद खोद कर ढूंढते है | (निरंतर जारी पर स्पीड बढ़ जाती है जब चुनाव आते है)



P.S. : I am not political at all.

Sirohi bhai,

Mera bhi darr ye hi hai,ye kam se kam baate to karte hai par Kejriwal to wo bhi nahi karta sirf corruption ka mudda rakhta hai. Sirf corruption ke agenda pe na desh chalta hai na sarkar

[vicky84]

It was for reader's convenience brother. Anyway you can find it here..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism

I did not link Swastika with Nazism. I was talking about Symbol. The Swastika was main symbol of Nazism. Now don't say, it was not. And I request to read my posts properly.


Plz don't link SWASTIKA with NAZISM..!!!!
think before u write brother..!!!

[vicky84]

Bhai main aapse anurodh karta hoon ki pehle aap meri posts ko dhayan se padhein.. Bharat ko Lokapl ya Janlokpal ki itni jaroorat nahi hai jitni apne policies or procedures mei pardarshita ki hai! Yadi corruption mitani itni aassan hoti to ye kayi aur desh mei abhi takk khatam ho jaati.. lekin aisa nahi hua!!!!

Jaab takk root cause ko address nahi karoge, desh mei aise hi corruption hoti rahegi... Jo lokpal hai wo corruption ko lokne ke liye nahi hai, balki corruption karne waalon ko pakadne ke liye hai..Hum Chori hone ke baad apradhi ko pakadne par jayada dhayan de rahe hain jabki chori ko rokne ke liye koshsis nahi kar rahe hain.. ! Jahan tak apradhi ko pakadne ki baat hai, wo vayavastha abhi bhi desh ke kanoon mei hai..usme aur badlaav kiya ja sakta hai,,taki apradhi ko jaldi pakda ja sake. Uske liye hume JanLokpal ke hisab waali vayavashta nahi chahiye!! JanLokpal to waise hi Unconstitutional hai,, aur kisi bhi angle se labhkaari nahi hai..Labh hone ki bajaye, Janlokpal nuksaan jayada karega!! Kripya karke aap khud hi common sense lagao aur socho,, jawab apne aap mil jayega!!!!!!!!



Bhai Atishe,,

I belive u are also behaving like KEJRIWAL,,,in all the previous posts u have said or quoted almost the same thing in same tune ,,only wordings were little different...!!!

I don't know many things like you brohters,,but surely know one thing is that unless we put efforts to eradicate corruption,, it will persist so we need someone(Kejriwal type)-something(lokpal type) persistently hammering the system to remove its dents...!!!

[ravinderpannu]

hahahahaha,,,kitab ki sale badhwani...!!!!! (manne to eb tak nai li)


Bhai, use apni kitab ki sale badhwani thi to bol dia meri kitab padho. Aap ko lagta hai public ke pass itna time hoga ki wo uski neeti janne ke lie uski sari kitab padhenge? Aap hi thoda sankshep mein bata do aapne to padhi hai

[ravinderpannu]

Pls paste photos of both symbols,,i believe it will help the people to notice the difference..!!



It was for reader's convenience brother. Anyway you can find it here..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism

I did not link Swastika with Nazism. I was talking about Symbol. The Swastika was main symbol of Nazism. Now don't say, it was not. And I request to read my posts properly.

[ravinderpannu]

YE BAAAT...!!!!
Matlab ye ki desh ka bhale ki baat socho bhi nahi,,,Bas chup chap khaate raho desh ko..!!!


Sirohi bhai,

Mera bhi darr ye hi hai,ye kam se kam baate to karte hai par Kejriwal to wo bhi nahi karta sirf corruption ka mudda rakhta hai. Sirf corruption ke agenda pe na desh chalta hai na sarkar

[vicky84]

Symbol is shown in the link.. I do not think I have said anything wrong!


Pls paste photos of both symbols,,i believe it will help the people to notice the difference..!!

[ravinderpannu]

Maine aapki post no 60 pe LIKE wala khatka dabaya hai,,,bilkul sahi hai k policies transparent or simple ho to kafi problem solve ho jayengi..!!


Bhai main aapse anurodh karta hoon ki pehle aap meri posts ko dhayan se padhein.. Bharat ko Lokapl ya Janlokpal ki itni jaroorat nahi hai jitni apne policies or procedures mei pardarshita ki hai! Yadi corruption mitani itni aassan hoti to ye kayi aur desh mei abhi takk khatam ho jaati.. lekin aisa nahi hua!!!!

Jaab takk root cause ko address nahi karoge, desh mei aise hi corruption hoti rahegi... Jo lokpal hai wo corruption ko lokne ke liye nahi hai, balki corruption karne waalon ko pakadne ke liye hai..Hum Chori hone ke baad apradhi ko pakadne par jayada dhayan de rahe hain jabki chori ko rokne ke liye koshsis nahi kar rahe hain.. ! Jahan tak apradhi ko pakadne ki baat hai, wo vayavastha abhi bhi desh ke kanoon mei hai..usme aur badlaav kiya ja sakta hai,,taki apradhi ko jaldi pakda ja sake. Uske liye hume JanLokpal ke hisab waali vayavashta nahi chahiye!! JanLokpal to waise hi Unconstitutional hai,, aur kisi bhi angle se labhkaari nahi hai..Labh hone ki bajaye, Janlokpal nuksaan jayada karega!! Kripya karke aap khud hi common sense lagao aur socho,, jawab apne aap mil jayega!!!!!!!!

[SALURAM]

मुझे लगता है अभी वो वक्त है जब सभी समाजसेवी और
भ्रष्ट्राचार विरोधी ताकतों को एक साथ खड़े
हो जाना चाहिये......और उखाड़ फेंकना चाहिये इन
निरंकुश राजनेतिक ताकतों को..... ये वक्त गिले शीकवे ,
मतभेद और तरीकों में अलगाव का नहीं है, देश रिजल्ट
चाहता है ...................
रह रह कर बस यही ख्याल आता है.............
जीत मिले या हार मिले, बस लड़ने का अधिकार मिले
न चंद सियासी दलालों को शब्दों का व्यापार मिले.......
मौत मिले या अमरत्व मिले, बस अपना अधिकार मिले
गुनाहगारों को सज़ा भरे बाज़ार
मिले.........................
काँपी तो है इमारतें कई कई बार....
अब जरा ये बुनियादें हिले................
मैं मिलूँ तुझसे, तू मिल उससे, यूँ मिले हम सबसे....
जब बात वतन की है तो फिर क्या शीकवे क्या गिले
जब एक है मंजिल तो फिर क्यूँ अलग अलग हो रास्ते
एक मैं भी वतन के वास्ते, एक तू भी वतन के वास्ते...

[AbhikRana]

Those who have not done anything wrong have nothing to fear. Fear either Kejriwal or the Jan Lokpal bill.

The rest will...

[amankadian]

Kezriwal and Team Anna have done good things like bringing awareness about corruption, raising voice against corruption etc but I do not agree with their solution. Corruption problem cannot be solved by bringing draconian laws. It can be solved by bringing efficient system in place. Other thing to consider is hidden corruption. Hidden corruption due to policy paralysis, wrong decison making, ineffective system is so much that cannot even imagined! Arvind Kezriwal Lokpal bill does not bring those measures into the system. Janlokpal is flawed system. Janlokpal can also contribute to policy paralysis as it creates a fear into bureaucrats! Janlokpal could be be a disaster, if it ever implemented without reforming current system!!!!!

Best views mate, Thanks

[vpsheoran]

केजरीवाल बढिया आदमी हे बढिया सोच रखता है ।

[krishdel]

Vikram Ji I agree with you to some extent. Corruption can be in many forms
1.Money
2.Favour to Freinds or relatives
3.Favour to Language as Punjabi & Bihari favour their persons based on langauge
4.Favour on basis of Cast
5.Discrimination against a community - as most of the community in NCR are against the JAT community. It is very tough for JATS to work and get selected even in private jobs.
5.Not tolerating others of equal ranks.
6.Hate the poors. As most educated persons in Jarkhand & Chattishgargh done against the local tribes there and it resulted in Naxalism.
7.Favour a religion .

Mr.Arvind is only against the money corruption and what about the other forms of corruption.



Kezriwal and Team Anna have done good things like bringing awareness about corruption, raising voice against corruption etc but I do not agree with their solution. Corruption problem cannot be solved by bringing draconian laws. It can be solved by bringing efficient system in place. Other thing to consider is hidden corruption. Hidden corruption due to policy paralysis, wrong decison making, ineffective system is so much that cannot even imagined! Arvind Kezriwal Lokpal bill does not bring those measures into the system. Janlokpal is flawed system. Janlokpal can also contribute to policy paralysis as it creates a fear into bureaucrats! Janlokpal could be be a disaster, if it ever implemented without reforming current system!!!!!

[rajpaldular]

अरविन्द केजरीवाल का एक और अर्ध-सत्य.
आम आदमी पार्टी की शुरुआत ही धोखाधड़ी के साथ की गयी है। आम आदमी पार्टी के आधिकारिक पृष्ठ पर शुरू के सिर्फ 6 घंटों में एकत्र किये गए एक करोड़ दो लाख चौतीस हजार रुपये के चन्दे को एक उपलब्धि के तौर पर दिखाया गया है, लिंक देखिये :

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=301126339987133&set=a.300369023396198.53817.290805814352519&type=1&relevant_count=1 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=301126339987133&set=a.300369023396198.53817.290805814352519&type=1&relevant_count=1)

लेकिन अब पता चला है कि इसमें से 97.72% राशि इसी गिरोह के शान्ति भूषण ने दी है, लिंक देखिये:

http://www.newsbullet.in/india/34/36990 (http://www.newsbullet.in/india/34/36990)

अब सवाल उठता है कि जब शुरुआत ही ऐसी है तो आगे-आगे देखते हैं होता है क्या?

[jaisingh318]

अरविन्द केजरीवाल का एक और अर्ध-सत्य.
आम आदमी पार्टी की शुरुआत ही धोखाधड़ी के साथ की गयी है। आम आदमी पार्टी के आधिकारिक पृष्ठ पर शुरू के सिर्फ 6 घंटों में एकत्र किये गए एक करोड़ दो लाख चौतीस हजार रुपये के चन्दे को एक उपलब्धि के तौर पर दिखाया गया है, लिंक देखिये :

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=301126339987133&set=a.300369023396198.53817.290805814352519&type=1&relevant_count=1 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=301126339987133&set=a.300369023396198.53817.290805814352519&type=1&relevant_count=1)

लेकिन अब पता चला है कि इसमें से 97.72% राशि इसी गिरोह के शान्ति भूषण ने दी है, लिंक देखिये:

http://www.newsbullet.in/india/34/36990 (http://www.newsbullet.in/india/34/36990)

अब सवाल उठता है कि जब शुरुआत ही ऐसी है तो आगे-आगे देखते हैं होता है क्या?


jaato may ek kahawat famous h kay delhi kay thugg n baggar ka thugg thugg lay:tears_of_joy:
so enjoy karo .

[vikram.dahiya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUj6plZ9FyI

[vikram.dahiya]

News Nation's exclusive interview with Arvind Kejriwal Part-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=SdN6MqNt2tU&NR=1

[rajpaldular]

कई बार मदारी डमरू या डुगडुगी बजाकर भीड़ इकठ्ठा करता है .. कुछ उल्टे सीधे खेल दिखता है .. कुछ सांप दिखाता है ... फिर अपनी पोटली में से "अनशन" छाप मंजन निकालकर कहता है .. "जिन कुल ड्यूडस की मुंह से बास आती है वो हमेशा "अनशन" छाप दंतमंजन खरीदे सिर्फ दस रुपया ...दस रुपया ..दस रुपया ..

नक्कालो से बचे हमेशा "टोपीवाले चचा" का फोटू देखकर ही असली मंजन खरीदे ..

अब ये अनशन की आड़ में मंजन बेचने का खेल एक बार चलेगा दो बार चलेगा .. तीसरी बार नही चलेगा

[rajpaldular]

यदि केजरीवाल ने हिन्दू विरोधी, राष्ट्र विरोधी और मोदी विरोधी लाइन नही पकड़ी होती तो मेरे जैसे लाखों लोग आज केजरीवाल के साथ होते,
एक जमाने में मै स्वयं केजरीवाल का अंधभक्त था, किन्तु जब देखा कि ये लोग कश्मीर को पाकिस्तान को देने की बात करते लगे, अफजल गुरु को क्षमा की बात करने लगे, नरेंद्र मोदी पर अनाप शनाप बकने लगे।

फिर हद तो तब हो गयी जब इस गैंग का छिछोरा सदस्य कुमार विश्वास ने एक मुस्लिम जलसे में मुसलमानों को प्रसन्न करने के लिए भगवान शंकर, भगवान विष्णु और ब्रह्माजी जी के उपर कई अश्लील कविताओं का पठन किया था|

[ranveer]

People are not doing any effort to write their own views just copy paste from facebook to spoil the image of Arvind Kejriwal

16575

The above lines were copy pasted from below FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/jp20024

[singhvp]

एक जमाने में मै स्वयं केजरीवाल का अंधभक्त था, ........., नरेंद्र मोदी पर अनाप शनाप बकने लगे।

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ना लिखने का ढंग ना रफ़्तार, ना जुनूं-ए-इबादत-ए-यार बदला
बेवफाई के इस दौर में यारो, हमने बदला तो सिर्फ दिलवर बदला

[vikda]

Perfect Sir!!!


ना लिखने का ढंग ना रफ़्तार, ना जुनूं-ए-इबादत-ए-यार बदला
बेवफाई के इस दौर में यारो, हमने बदला तो सिर्फ दिलवर बदला

[rajpaldular]

बहुत पुरानी बात है, एक नगर में एक प्रसिद्द चित्रकार रहता था ।
चित्रकार ने एक बहुत सुन्दर चित्र बनाया और
उसे नगर के चौराहे में लगा दिया और नीचे लिख दिया कि जिस
किसी को, जहाँ भी इसमें कमी दिखाई दे वह
वहाँ उसको चिह्नित कर दे ।
जब उसने सांयकाल को चित्र
देखा तो उसका पूरा चित्र चिह्नों से ख़राब
हो चुका था। यह देख वह बहुत दुखी हुआ। उसे
कुछ समझ नहीं आ रहा था कि अब क्या करे वह
दुःखी बैठा हुआ था।






तभी उसका एक मित्र
वहाँ से गुजरा उसने उसके दुःखी होने का कारण
पूछा तो उसने उसे पूरी घटना बताई । उसने
कहा एक काम करो कल दूसरा चित्र
बनाना और उस में लिखना कि जिस
किसी को इस चित्र मे जहाँ कहीं भी कोई
कमी दृष्टिगोचर हो उसे सही कर दे ।
उसने अगले दिन यही किया । संध्या को जब उसने
अपना चित्र देखा तो उसने
देखा कि चित्र पर किसी ने कुछ नहीं किया ।



वह संसार की रीति समझ गया।
"कमी निकालना, निंदा करना, बुराई
करना सरल किन्तु उन कमियों को दूर
करना अत्यंत कठिन होता है।"

[rajpaldular]

ये माना कि अनशन का अँधेरा घना है,

पर 'स्टील का गिलास' प्रयोग करना भी कहाँ मना है?:suspicion:

[rajpaldular]

अरविन्द खुजलीवाल वो आम व्यक्ति है जिसके पास बंगला, गाड़ी, नौकर, बैंक बेलेंस, ३ ngo एवं पत्नी ४५ हज़ार रुपये वेतन लेती है।


अंग्रेजी औषधियों पर व्यय १७ हज़ार रुपये प्रति मास है परन्तु पहनने के लिए कमीज केवल मात्र एक ही है।



और हाँ खुजलीवाल के पास स्टील का गिलास भी एक ही है, खबरदार जो किसी ने स्टील का गिलास शेयर करने की चेष्टा की तो।

[rajpaldular]

http://youtu.be/PbDpozP1CK0http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQDg1km_5gpYija_&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FPbDpozP1CK0%2 Fhqdefault.jpg%3Ffeature%3Dog&jq=100 (http://www.facebook.com/madhuvijayvargia.01/posts/188766111274608?notif_t=close_friend_activity)EXPO SED!!! Arvind Kejriwal (AAP) creation of Congress Deception via Media (http://youtu.be/PbDpozP1CK0)
www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com/)During first National parliamentary committee, all the Nationalists of India including Dr Ambedkar supported the Idea of making "Sanskrit" as the National La...

[rajpaldular]

केजरीवाल की कलम से -----संसद और विधान सभाओं मे अधिकतर लोग अपराधी हैं, ---महोदय ! आपकी आम आदमी पार्टी मे भी 90 प्रतिशत लोग अपराधी हैं।

केजरीवाल की कलम से --दिल्ली का पानी कहाँ गया ? महोदय ! क्या आपको महाराष्ट्र की चिंता नहीं ? जो त्राहि-त्राहि कर रहा है।

केजरीवाल की कलम से --हम आम आदमी की राजनीति करते हैं -------फिर आम आदमी पार्टी के कार्यकर्ता का जीजा एक अस्पताल मे दम तोड़ देता है तो।

केजरीवाल की कलम से --मैं उर्दू मे लिखी टोपी लगाता हूँ क्या बुरी बात है ? ----महोदय ! एक दिन बिना कोई टोपी लगाए आओ , टोपी का बोझ उतारकर तो देखो।

केजरीवाल की क़लम से ---हमे संगठित हो कर भ्रष्टाचार का मुकाबला करना है ----महोदय ! आपका स्वयं का , अन्ना कुनबा तो तिनके की तरह बिखर गया।

केजरीवाल की क़लम से --- दिल्ली मे अभी भी लोग स्कूटर पर पानी ढो कर लाते हैं --महोदय ! आप दिल्ली मे 2-4 हज़ार प्याऊ क्यों नही खुलवा देते ?

केजरीवाल की क़लम से --- मोदी के बड़े बड़े उधोगपतियों से सम्बन्ध--------महोदय ! केवल आप अपना और अनुपम खेर के रिश्ते का सच हमे बता दें बस.

केजरीवाल की क़लम से---कीचड़ को साफ करने के लिए कीचड़ मे उतरना आवश्यक ---- महोदय ! आपके लोगों को उतरने की आवश्यकता नही वो तो पहले से ही कीचड़ मे हैं।

केजरीवाल की कलम से ---मैं ऐसे पद पर था जहाँ बहुत कुछ कमा सकता था -------महोदय ! ऐसा विचार आपके मन मे आया भी कैसे? हर व्यक्ति ऐसे सोचने लग जाए तो।

केजरीवाल की क़लम से --दिल्ली मे कोई सुरक्षित नही -----पूरे देश मे कोई सुरक्षित नही है महोदय ! कभी दिल्ली से बाहर निकल कर भी देखो।

[rajpaldular]

केजरीवाल जी के एक भक्त की आत्मकथा उसी की जुबानी
"दोस्तो मै जलील बकरुद्दीन चाँदनी चौक का रहने वाला, एक समय था जब मैँ एकदम नकारा और बेकार था, दिनभर घर मेँ पड़ा रहता था, ढेर सारा खाना खाता था और सोता रहता था, अम्मी अब्बु ताना मारते थे कि कुछ नहीँ करता है बस फोकट का खाता है और दिनभर बाथरुम को सड़ाता रहता है, मै जिँदगी से मायुस हो चुका था. लेकिन एकदिन जब मैँ जामा मस्जिद गया तो बुखारी जी ने मुझे आम आदमी पार्टी से जुड़ने के बारे मे बताया. उन्होने कहा कि यह देश की एकमात्र धर्मनिरपेक्ष पार्टी है, यहाँ टोपी भी लगाई जाती है. बस फिर क्या था मैँ आम आदमी पार्टी से जुड़ गया, 10-20 बिजली के मीटर उखाड़े. आज जब मैँ घर जाता मौहल्ले के लोग भी मुझे देशभक्त कहते है, लड़कियाँ मुझपे मरने लगी है. यह सब संभव हूआ तो सिर्फ केजरीवाल भाईजान के कारण. केजरीवाल तो खुदा का रुप है"

[rajpaldular]

Here is Arvind Kejriwal's letter making an exclusive appeal to Muslims to vote for him. He says that Batla House was a fake encounter so as Ishrat Jahan, completing ignoring that the matter is subjudiced and may prove himself completely wrong.

http://aamaadmiparty.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/arvind-kejriwals-letter-to-muslims.pdf

[rajpaldular]

आम आदमी पार्टी - मुसलमानों की आखिरी उम्मीद by Avinash Kumar

(http://www.oyepages.com/blog/view/id/51f8baa1bc54b2d829000009)
www.oyepages.comकृपया अरविन्द केजरीवाल द्वारा लिखित सम्पूर्ण पत्र जो कभी भारतीय की आखिरी उम्मीद होने की बात करता था आज मुसलमानों की आखिरी उम्मीद बन चूका है !!!!!!! काफी लोगों ने मुझसे क..

(http://www.oyepages.com/blog/view/id/51f8baa1bc54b2d829000009)

[rajpaldular]

अरविन्द केजरीवाल ने Ford Foundation के कहने पर AAP बनाया ... ये आदमी वही काम कर रहा है जो चिरंजीवी ने आन्ध्र प्रदेश में किया .....

अरविन्द केजरीवाल की संस्था को फोर्ड फाउंडेशन से पैसे मिले -
जिसका पेट विदेशी पालते हों वो देश के बारे में भला सोचेगा कैसे ?
proof :लिंक देखिये-
http://www.ibtl.in/news/exclusive/1162/arvind-kejriwal-and-manish-sisodia--has-received-400-000-dollars-from-the-ford-foundation-in-the-last-three-years---arundhati-roy — with Bjp Gujraat (https://www.facebook.com/1991ashish.gupta) and 19 others (https://www.facebook.com/browse/participants/?q=AeIntLaICQ_ffzQZOL5L8IhpDgZGaTKnm7DI0FU5qL6EEOs xKkrbGzc5DiLbmmGT6xkSGrQWmuJWjVJhUsNeA9zMsk_cLbkNP 7JpZ2cmaRaEFAtGLAvIb4pSXlA_cEsJq4FsXvj6noawWeJJcRj f_xbSvB0t-ebfKiatqeBz4tJEQm2aS7P7TMi3OFOm1RpqWDbq_uy-zln2sOy_wCLR6fG4E8fgucZRequCFV2LJyPTfHryF3EMLorU7g d4VPQQmo8ds4nyl5_VzzNkNDj9YSKSumdiZ8dWQWyy4tlHQbHJ EeB--68nUhRti_qrA55l_uBD4AZWxH49d8tvsT_gbMBkQ-oBpHFrnmWeF9MVbyEQTQo666gq0qwWfiJpu4TrVR9_Mp4MXjsI yV6KWKgNQHwAR12gDLCjJAx27il52SNSGpMm-j3mqMgcSlWEAPp_ik_KDc5VR4hVSKy40RK2nAofwLjXy-frCWQLmzABHmlov0BqAyEwOfO64WbfQBERi-NcljpAE9CtYMFaF4l4qXe7b6xPo9r3YpUc0cav4OKsfZjZCarm g1CHJ2YpO5ifvnZfYGaRPcGkRC40pxccCww4itOSXU4SsxYbRk zH6kXyqg).

[shivamchaudhary]

Muzaffarpur ke riots par jo kejariwal ke bayan hai, usse lagta hai AAP party jaldi congress me mil jayegi.
Kejariwal secularism ke naam par jooth bolna, aur gandi rajniti karne lag gaya hai...

सच का दामन, इतना आसान नहीं पकडे रहना...

[rajpaldular]

नरेन्द्र मोदी और अरविन्द केजरीवाल

मैंने अरविन्द केजरीवाल और
मोदी दोनों को देखा है और अपने अनुभव से
दोनों के बारे में कुछ बोलना चाहता हु शुरू
करता हु मोदी से

नाम : नरेंदर मोदी , पद : गुजरात मुख्यमंत्री
1.ये अपने भाषण में विकास की बाते करते है ,
कांग्रेस को उखड फेकने की बाते करते है
2. ये गलत को गलत और सही को सही बोलते है
3.इनकी निति है की युवाओ को आगे लाया जाए
4.ये रोजगार , शिक्षा की बाते करते है
5.देश के बाहरी और भीतरी दुश्मनों से
सुरक्षा की बाते करते है
6.१२ सालो से गुजरात में एक भी समोपर्दायिक
दंगा नहीं होने दिया है
7.इन पर २००२ के दंगो का आरोप
लगाया जाता है लेकिन इसके लिए इन्हें सुप्रीम
कोर्ट से क्लीन चिट मिल चुकी है
8.ये साधू संतो और सभी धर्मो का सम्मान करते है
9.ये हमेशा 6 करोड़ गुजरातियों की बात करते है
10.ये हमेशा १२१ करोड़ भारतीयों को सिर्फ
भारतीय बोलते है hindu मुस्लिम नहीं
11. ये कभी अरविन्द केजरीवाल के खिलाफ
नहीं बोलते है
बल्कि इनका निशाना हमेशा कांग्रेस सरकार के
मंत्री होते है

अब आते है अरविन्द केजरीवाल पर
नाम :अर्व्निद केजरीवाल पद : पहले
सरकारी नौकरी में थे अब राजनेता बने है
1.इनके भाषण में विकास की जगह rti, लोकपाल
ही होता है
2.इन्होने आज तक कभी रोजगार ,
शिक्षा की बात नहीं कही
3.पाकिस्थान , चाइना पर ये चुप रहते है
4.ये साधू संतो को ठग बोलते है
5. ये मुस्लिमो के लिए आरक्षण की बात करते है
6. ये कांग्रेस से ज्यादा मोदी का विरोध करते है
7.ये खुलासे करते है पर किसी भी नेता [पर केस
नहीं करते है
8. इन्होने १५ साल की नौकरी में
क्या किया किसी को नहीं पता
9.इनके पास ४ करोड़ का बंगला कंहा से
आया नहीं पता....

Suresh)

[vikram.dahiya]

. .

[vikram.dahiya]

Kejriwal used donations to his pcrf foundation, which were meant for rti work, to launch anna andolan. He then used the money raised by the anna andolan, which was for lokpal movement, to launch his political party, which anna was explicitly against. He is the wrong rolemodel for accountability.

(Written by a ET journo in reply to a thread on FB)

bhai vikas jo paise anna aandolan ke naam ke collect huye the vo saare paise arvind ne unko wapas dene chahe the lekin anna ji n lene se mna kar diye

[vikram.dahiya]

chalo aapne ye to maana ki bjp ki daal me bhi kuchh kala h


Let us stop shooting the messenger!

Congress kee toh daal hee kali hae aur BJP kee daal mein kucch kala hae. So anyday, BJP is a better choice out of the two.

Kejriwal is doing the best service that any Indian can do for the nation by bringing out into the public domain the misdeeds of these rascals.

I wish all the best to Arvind in his endeavour and hope that he continues with the good work IRRESPECTIVE OF THE UNNECESSARY, FALSE AND FRIVOLOUS CRITICISM directed towards him by some who are equally disturbed and discomforted by the expose's like their political masters.

If not at the national level, Arvind should at least get electoral victory in Delhi to start with so that he can show Delhi state as a role model for the other states as well as the nation in terms of governance.

[vikram.dahiya]

delhi election ke baare me kye bet lgani h mere sath lga le


The messenger is a player now, no more a messenger and when you are in the game you are expected to be shot.

Delhi victory is a distant dream, I bet he will not even be able deposit in majority of the seats.

[vikram.dahiya]

The day Kejriwal comes to power and implements his policies ye din jyada dur nahi isko baat ko hum aage ke liye chhod dete h, aane wala waqt sab bta dega aur bhai jo chor h vo to bachna bhi nahi chahiye


The day Kejriwal comes to power and implements his policies, most of us sitting online in India would have lost our jobs. You cant run a country by giving power back to people or cheasing off all the businessman.

[VirJ]

This election will be a great test for Kejrival because looks like it will be a hung mandate in Delhi. So would Kejriwal support congress or BJP or will opt for re election?

I hope he win but doesn't look like he will get more than 8 seats.

[desijat]

Can you throw some lights on his policies away from corruption?


The day Kejriwal comes to power and implements his policies ye din jyada dur nahi isko baat ko hum aage ke liye chhod dete h, aane wala waqt sab bta dega aur bhai jo chor h vo to bachna bhi nahi chahiye

[vikram.dahiya]

kejriwal ne hamesha govt. ke khilaf bola agar kejriwal galat h ye govt uska kuchh ukhadi q nahi ?


Dr Subramanian Swamy interview about Arvind Kejriwal Black Money press conference


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=igSJbYl4GUo#!

[vikram.dahiya]

diggi jaise aadmi ke baare har koi janta h ki vo kaisa h isliye uska refrence na hee do to achhha h varna log aapka mazak bna lenge bhai.


Diggi on Kejriwal
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/video-story/254623?hp

[vikram.dahiya]

anna ke muh se aapne kab suna ki arvind hitler h


Hitler was definitely the worst "ideologue" among the human-beings !!


If Anna wants to be related with him, then, maybe he has found himself in Sangh's camp !!

[vikram.dahiya]

phir konsi party ki policies chahte ho aap jo sabka bhala kar sake.


A blind faith could prove conterproductive!

Arvind's policies sound filmy[Bollywoodish]!! These policies will never help in what we want.

[vikram.dahiya]

kya hamari investigating agencies aaj ki date me manmohan singh ko investigate kar sakti h ? ye investigating agencies tabhi investigate karti h jab kisi party par dabav dalna ho



Yes you are right in pointing out all these problems. But propose an effective solution. If Arvind propose an effective solution I will fully support it. Right now his solution has many flaws. Congress Lokpal has also problems.

But before proposing any Lokpal, isn't it good to get back to basics. Why we need a Lokpal if we have investigating agencies. If we have problems with Investigating agencies, then why don't we solve them. Why to add one more mamoth bureaucracy? Why there is so much emphasis upon catching cuprits rather than preventing the corruption. [That does not mean that we should not have any ombudsman]

For example, if you make processes transparent and less complex, would not it reduce the corruption at first place. Would not it add a value to the economy if we improve ease of doing business conditions. And that would result in creating millions of jobs. That's what people want.

Janlokpal on the other hand could put a stop on economic growth due to its draconian nature. Practically such Lokpal will not work despite so much expectations. It can present very drastic results.

Bureaucrats already struggling to make decison which lead to delay in projects and thus keeping millions of Indian away from employment. JanLokpal would add more to it. I think its better to go back to basics and think logically rather than emotionally. You cannot rule out economics out of whole issue.

[vikram.dahiya]

ha ha ha ha

The story of Jatland

[vikram.dahiya]

pahle ke qanoon ke kitne netao jail me dala h ????


Niyat theek ho to sabh kuchh theek ho sakata hai.

Corruption rokane ke liye pahle bhi to bahut sare qanoon hain.

[vikram.dahiya]

bilkul thik kaha aapne

A correction:

"Corruption rokane ke liye pahle bhi to bahut sare ​nakaam qanoon hain."

[vikram.dahiya]

AAM AADMI PARTY ko jo bhi donation mila h uski saari jankari unki website pe h lekin aur political party h vo apne aap ko RTI ke dayre se bahar q rakhna chahte h. iska answer h kisi bhai ke pas



अरविन्द केजरीवाल का एक और अर्ध-सत्य.
आम आदमी पार्टी की शुरुआत ही धोखाधड़ी के साथ की गयी है। आम आदमी पार्टी के आधिकारिक पृष्ठ पर शुरू के सिर्फ 6 घंटों में एकत्र किये गए एक करोड़ दो लाख चौतीस हजार रुपये के चन्दे को एक उपलब्धि के तौर पर दिखाया गया है, लिंक देखिये :

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=301126339987133&set=a.300369023396198.53817.290805814352519&type=1&relevant_count=1 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=301126339987133&set=a.300369023396198.53817.290805814352519&type=1&relevant_count=1)

लेकिन अब पता चला है कि इसमें से 97.72% राशि इसी गिरोह के शान्ति भूषण ने दी है, लिंक देखिये:

http://www.newsbullet.in/india/34/36990 (http://www.newsbullet.in/india/34/36990)

अब सवाल उठता है कि जब शुरुआत ही ऐसी है तो आगे-आगे देखते हैं होता है क्या?

[vikram.dahiya]

jisko aap delhi ka thugg kah rahe ho aapko to ye bhi nahi pta ki vo delhi ka h bhi ya nahi.


jaato may ek kahawat famous h kay delhi kay thugg n baggar ka thugg thugg lay:tears_of_joy:
so enjoy karo .

[vikram.dahiya]

isiliye shayad BJP ka khel bhi 3rd time nahi chala. h na ???


कई बार मदारी डमरू या डुगडुगी बजाकर भीड़ इकठ्ठा करता है .. कुछ उल्टे सीधे खेल दिखता है .. कुछ सांप दिखाता है ... फिर अपनी पोटली में से "अनशन" छाप मंजन निकालकर कहता है .. "जिन कुल ड्यूडस की मुंह से बास आती है वो हमेशा "अनशन" छाप दंतमंजन खरीदे सिर्फ दस रुपया ...दस रुपया ..दस रुपया ..

नक्कालो से बचे हमेशा "टोपीवाले चचा" का फोटू देखकर ही असली मंजन खरीदे ..

अब ये अनशन की आड़ में मंजन बेचने का खेल एक बार चलेगा दो बार चलेगा .. तीसरी बार नही चलेगा

[vikram.dahiya]

मोदी समर्थको को जबाब, उन्ही की जुबान में, अब क्या बोलोगे Arundhati Roy के बारे में
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WBlYsx5iKE


अरविन्द केजरीवाल ने Ford Foundation के कहने पर AAP बनाया ... ये आदमी वही काम कर रहा है जो चिरंजीवी ने आन्ध्र प्रदेश में किया .....

अरविन्द केजरीवाल की संस्था को फोर्ड फाउंडेशन से पैसे मिले -
जिसका पेट विदेशी पालते हों वो देश के बारे में भला सोचेगा कैसे ?
proof :लिंक देखिये-
http://www.ibtl.in/news/exclusive/1162/arvind-kejriwal-and-manish-sisodia--has-received-400-000-dollars-from-the-ford-foundation-in-the-last-three-years---arundhati-roy — with Bjp Gujraat (https://www.facebook.com/1991ashish.gupta) and 19 others (https://www.facebook.com/browse/participants/?q=AeIntLaICQ_ffzQZOL5L8IhpDgZGaTKnm7DI0FU5qL6EEOs xKkrbGzc5DiLbmmGT6xkSGrQWmuJWjVJhUsNeA9zMsk_cLbkNP 7JpZ2cmaRaEFAtGLAvIb4pSXlA_cEsJq4FsXvj6noawWeJJcRj f_xbSvB0t-ebfKiatqeBz4tJEQm2aS7P7TMi3OFOm1RpqWDbq_uy-zln2sOy_wCLR6fG4E8fgucZRequCFV2LJyPTfHryF3EMLorU7g d4VPQQmo8ds4nyl5_VzzNkNDj9YSKSumdiZ8dWQWyy4tlHQbHJ EeB--68nUhRti_qrA55l_uBD4AZWxH49d8tvsT_gbMBkQ-oBpHFrnmWeF9MVbyEQTQo666gq0qwWfiJpu4TrVR9_Mp4MXjsI yV6KWKgNQHwAR12gDLCjJAx27il52SNSGpMm-j3mqMgcSlWEAPp_ik_KDc5VR4hVSKy40RK2nAofwLjXy-frCWQLmzABHmlov0BqAyEwOfO64WbfQBERi-NcljpAE9CtYMFaF4l4qXe7b6xPo9r3YpUc0cav4OKsfZjZCarm g1CHJ2YpO5ifvnZfYGaRPcGkRC40pxccCww4itOSXU4SsxYbRk zH6kXyqg).

[rajpaldular]

खुजलीवाल भारत को पाकिस्तान बनाना चाहता है।


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[desijat]

Help me identify the difference here:

http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/RajuDhingan
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/ManojKumar
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/FarhanaAnjum
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/Baljeet-Singh-Maan

No one beyond 12th class is educated, take a look at more candidates.

[Prikshit]

Help me identify the difference here:

http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/RajuDhingan
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/ManojKumar
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/FarhanaAnjum
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/Baljeet-Singh-Maan

No one beyond 12th class is educated, take a look at more candidates.
Kejriwal ka 15-20 kilo wajan te toot lia, election result aaye pache raha saha bhi toot jaga.

[desijat]

He is going the way Brahmans did, never let the educated come in and rule.
Kejriwal ka 15-20 kilo wajan te toot lia, election result aaye pache raha saha bhi toot jaga.

[VirJ]

Help me identify the difference here:

http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/RajuDhingan
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/ManojKumar
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/FarhanaAnjum
http://delhi.aamaadmiparty.org/Delhi-Elections-2013/Baljeet-Singh-Maan

No one beyond 12th class is educated, take a look at more candidates.

Sir habitually in cherry picking the facts you forgot to examine few other candidates. Let’s have a look at the educated ones whom they are planning to replace.



Shri Hasan Ahmed, MLA Delhi , INC, Qualification : Higher Secondary: Occupation Farmer. (http://www.hindustanpages.com/shri-hasan-ahmed)
Shri Veer Singh Dhingan: MLA Delhi, INC, Qualification : Matric, (http://delhiassembly.nic.in/aspfile/whos_who/veer_singh.htm)
Shri Surinder Pal Singh, MLA Delhi , INC, Qualification : Higher Secondary (http://delhiassembly.nic.in/aspfile/whos_who/Surinder_Pal_Singh.htm)
Shri Nand Kishore , MLA Delhi , INC, Qualification : Inter (http://delhiassembly.nic.in/aspfile/whos_who/Nand_kishore.htm)
Shri Jai Kishan, MLA Delhi , INC, Qualification :12 th pass: (http://delhiassembly.nic.in/aspfile/whos_who/Jai_Kishan.htm)


The classic one if this Congress MLA who produced the fake Mark sheet. http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/congress-mla-indicted-for-fake-mark-sheet-in-delhi/article5228072.ece

Sir I can go through the whole list and bring more “educated ones” to your kind attention as well.

At least he is claiming that his candidates are free of any charges and if there is any charge found against them even a day before the election they will withdraw that candidate

Is Congress acting similar to Bhramins as well Sir? Please spread the awareness…….

[rskankara]

हाल मे एबीपी न्यूज-नील्सन द्वारा किए सर्वे के अनुसार दिल्ली मे सीएम के लिए अरविंद केजरीवाल 32 फीसदी वोटरों के साथ पहली पसंद हैं, वहीं दूसरे नंबर पर शीला दीक्षित और विजय गोयल ( 27-27 फीसदी) के बीच कड़ी टक्कर है।

बीजेपी को 28 सीटें, कांग्रेस को 22 सीटें, और 'आप' को 18 सीटें मिलेंगी। अन्य के खाते में 2 सीटें जा सकती हैं। बीजेपी को 34 फीसदी, कांग्रेस को 27 फीसदी और 'आप' को 26 फीसदी वोट मिल सकते हैं।

अगस्त मे हुए सर्वे के अनुसार 'आप' को जहां 8 सीटें मिल रही थीं, अब उसकी सीटें 18 हो रही हैं। वहीं अगस्त के सर्वे में बीजेपी को 32 सीटें मिलने का अनुमान था, जो अब 28 सीटें हैं। वहीं को 27 सीटें मिल सकती थीं, अब 22 सीटें ही मिलने का अनुमान है।

अभी तो चुनाब मे और समय बाकी है ..... लगता है दिल्ली "आप" के "बाप" की

[desijat]

Sir habitually in cherry picking the facts you forgot to examine few other candidates. Let’s have a look at the educated ones whom they are planning to replace.


Thread kiska? AAP ka
Alag party kiski? AAP ki


to Cherry picking to aap kar rahe ho, I commented on the topic, and for the topic, baaki congress BJP main kamiya thi tabhi to Kejriwal jaise mahanubhav ko party banani padi, par wo bhi usi rah par nikle to alag kya raha?

[RathiJi]

Thread kiska? AAP ka
Alag party kiski? AAP ki


to Cherry picking to aap kar rahe ho, I commented on the topic, and for the topic, baaki congress BJP main kamiya thi tabhi to Kejriwal jaise mahanubhav ko party banani padi, par wo bhi usi rah par nikle to alag kya raha?

Oh! that's great you want to abide by thread topics but practically it is not like that. In every other thread you troll anything unrelated and I am not saying it without giving you example .

In Thread Pseudo-secularism we were discussing behavior of Shafeek-ur-rehman Bark for insulting Vande- Matram by giving priority to his religious bigotry but you were one step ahead and started trolling BJP, NaMo, Godhra, Gujrat in which other members were trapped and now that thread doesn't discuss Vande Matram/Shafeek-ur-rehman anymore but it discuss everything under the sky.

[VirJ]

Thread kiska? AAP ka
Alag party kiski? AAP ki


to Cherry picking to aap kar rahe ho, I commented on the topic, and for the topic, baaki congress BJP main kamiya thi tabhi to Kejriwal jaise mahanubhav ko party banani padi, par wo bhi usi rah par nikle to alag kya raha?

Well I am not sure how can you look at one party without looking at the other. There has to be at least two to compare. You cannot look at things in isloation because at the end of the day you have to choose one or the other.

You blamed Kejrival of delibrately not bringing up educated candidates and even compared him to Bhramins of the past. But you didnt look at the reigning party. The truth is that is the standard of education among politicians in our country. So your cherry picking and blaming one party is wrong. If he cant find educated people because they dont want to enter politics than its not his fault. Some of his those 'uneducated candidates' are already doing good to the society. You have never said the same for Sonia Gandhi. and you will never say this in future too.

At least they are claiming to remove corruption. At least they are not rapist, at least they are not mass murderers. If there is a supply of good educated candidates in future you might see them in his party. You accusation is baseless and silly as well.

[desijat]

Well I am not sure how can you look at one party without looking at the other. There has to be at least two to compare. You cannot look at things in isloation because at the end of the day you have to choose one or the other..
i had no intentions to compare, you assumed one should, and fair enough. But strange enough then you only compare it to Congress and not BJP. You are cherry picking, I didnt pick any cherry, or anything.

[VirJ]

i had no intentions to compare, you assumed one should, and fair enough. But strange enough then you only compare it to Congress and not BJP. You are cherry picking, I didnt pick any cherry, or anything.

You just answered the selected part and avoided other anyway yes I only picked Congress because it is the reigning party. Kejrival is aiming to replace Congress not BJP. I have said in the post that this is the standard among politicians from all party.

Moreover I was only responding to you. I didn't accuse any party. You are the one who was blaming one person one party.

[VirJ]

खुजलीवाल भारत को पाकिस्तान बनाना चाहता है।


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Rajpal ji Urdu is also the second Official language of Delhi. Not all Pakistani like URDU anyway.

[anilsangwan]

Dont know much about Kejriwal's future, but he has brought both BJP and Congress to their knees in Delhi. He is being considered as serious player (and tough challenger) in his maiden elections, what more one needs. My belief is that this guy will inch more closer to making the govt in Delhi. Aur kahin aisa na ho to Kejriwal's party becomes the single largest and delhi and both BJP and Congress fight to extend support to him as CM :-) ......

Anyone knows how is he doing while pitched against 'Sheela Diks-hit' from New Delhi constituency in Delhi ? Do you think he will be able to defeat her from this constituency?

[rskankara]

As per the prevailing trends, it seems to be certain that Kejariwal and party (KAP) shall be either king or king maker in Delhi state elections. If it happens that it would be very good to show the mirror to both great parties......

[singhvp]

As per the prevailing trends, it seems to be certain that Kejariwal and party (KAP) shall be either king or king maker in Delhi state elections. If it happens that it would be very good to show the mirror to both great parties......

If the trend continues, he might emerge as the most acceptable alternative at the national level also. The fact cannot be denied that he has been fighting relentlessly against the scourge of corruption which is the most important issue before the nation at this juncture.

[Prikshit]

As per the prevailing trends, it seems to be certain that Kejariwal and party (KAP) shall be either king or king maker in Delhi state elections. If it happens that it would be very good to show the mirror to both great parties......
If AAP or KAP forms a govt, I would be more than happy, but if fails to do so which is inevitable, then it will bring instability rather doing any good.

[Prikshit]

Dont know much about Kejriwal's future, but he has brought both BJP and Congress to their knees in Delhi. He is being considered as serious player (and tough challenger) in his maiden elections, what more one needs. My belief is that this guy will inch more closer to making the govt in Delhi. Aur kahin aisa na ho to Kejriwal's party becomes the single largest and delhi and both BJP and Congress fight to extend support to him as CM :-) ......

Anyone knows how is he doing while pitched against 'Sheela Diks-hit' from New Delhi constituency in Delhi ? Do you think he will be able to defeat her from this constituency?
It is possible that he may defeat her, but sitting hardly lose his/her seat.

[rskankara]

It is very true. Let us hope that people shall cast their vote to best candidates among all major players leaving behind religion, caste, party, personal agendas etc... .
If AAP or KAP forms a govt, I would be more than happy, but if fails to do so which is inevitable, then it will bring instability rather doing any good.

[anilsangwan]

It is quite possible. In 2009 elections - at least 4 high rank cabinet ministers out of 9 from the Hooda govt in Haryana lost their seats ---- LD Arora from Sirsa, Birender Singh from Uchana Kalan, Mange Ram Gupta from Jind and so on. So, same can happen to CM too.

When Bansilal govt fell in 1999 in Haryana, he had to leave his Tosham seat in 2000 elections and contested from safer Bhiwani seat to save his own chair.

Similarly BJP CM candidate himself lost his seat in recent Uttrakhand elections. Ye Janata hai, kuchh bhi kar de !



It is possible that he may defeat her, but sitting hardly lose his/her seat.

[Prikshit]

It is quite possible. In 2009 elections - at least 4 high rank cabinet ministers out of 9 from the Hooda govt in Haryana lost their seats ---- LD Arora from Sirsa, Birender Singh from Uchana Kalan, Mange Ram Gupta from Jind and so on. So, same can happen to CM too.

When Bansilal govt fell in 1999 in Haryana, he had to leave his Tosham seat in 2000 elections and contested from safer Bhiwani seat to save his own chair.

Similarly BJP CM candidate himself lost his seat in recent Uttrakhand elections. Ye Janata hai, kuchh bhi kar de !

I didn't say it is not possible, but I said most of the time they retain there seat. That is a part of politics to choose a place where they feel secure of clinching the seat.

[rsdalal]

Aur Kuchh nahi te Kazriwall ne Congress and BJP donuo kee naak me damm te jaroor kar diya.
At least he has proved that one alone person can achieve that much and can not be ignored by these big parties.

[anilsangwan]

Ok. Kejriwal is fighting aginst Sheela Diks-hit from New Delhi Assembly, below are the possibilities:

1. Kejriwal defeats 'Sheela Diks-hit' ---- will be a big boost for AAP even if they are not able to form the govt in Delhi. Next time onwards, he will be surely considered very seriously.

2. Kejriwal loses the seat but assume his party wins majority in Delhi - he will be the CM. He will get at least 6 months to work as CM without even getting elected. meanwhile, anyone from his own party will vacate a seat for him. All set.

3. Kejriwal loses the seat and even his own party fairs badly overall --- he can try his luck in Loksabha elections in May 2014.

So this guy has nothing to lose, all gain :-). Marr to Congress er BJP ki hai !!!!!



I didn't say it is not possible, but I said most of the time they retain there seat. That is a part of politics to choose a place where they feel secure of clinching the seat.

[Prikshit]

Ok. Kejriwal is fighting aginst Sheela Diks-hit from New Delhi Assembly, below are the possibilities:

1. Kejriwal defeats 'Sheela Diks-hit' ---- will be a big boost for AAP even if they are not able to form the govt in Delhi. Next time onwards, he will be surely considered very seriously.

2. Kejriwal loses the seat but assume his party wins majority in Delhi - he will be the CM. He will get at least 6 months to work as CM without even getting elected. meanwhile, anyone from his own party will vacate a seat for him. All set.

3. Kejriwal loses the seat and even his own party fairs badly overall --- he can try his luck in Loksabha elections in May 2014.

So this guy has nothing to lose, all gain :-). Marr to Congress er BJP ki hai !!!!!
Anil,
We can't rule out these possibilities, but we all know things don't change overnight, its a gradual process. It will take time, he efforts are commendable but his attitude is not. People who gave him the platform are not with him, so there is some issue with the person. Ofcourse it will do bad to both the Congress and the BJP, but again its BJP who will be more harmed.

[anilsangwan]

Brother, I agree with your on the green highlighted text and disagree on the red one.

For the red text, if you are talking about Anna Hazare and few others, at least they are not accusing this guy of any fraud or cheating. Secondly, they have their logical differences on how to take on corruption. Kejriwal has chosen what he finds the best and they have done their own way. Do you see a major problem here, which I am ignoring?



Anil,
We can't rule out these possibilities, but we all know things don't change overnight, its a gradual process. It will take time, he efforts are commendable but his attitude is not. People who gave him the platform are not with him, so there is some issue with the person. Ofcourse it will do bad to both the Congress and the BJP, but again its BJP who will be more harmed.

[rskankara]

अरविंद केजरीवाल: दिल्ली चुनाव में यदि आम आदमी पार्टी को बहुमत मिला तो वे 29 दिसंबर को रामलीला मैदान में विशेष अधिवेशन बुलाएंगे और वे राजनीति में स्वच्छता के लिए आए हैं। इसलिए वे दिल्ली विधानसभा में ईमानदार, साफ छवि और किसी भी थाने में कोई मामला दर्ज न हो ऐसे उम्मीदवारों को चुनाव मैदान में उतार रहे हैं। दिल्ली की सभी 70 विधानसभा सीटों पर चुनाव 20 करोड़ रुपये में लड़ेंगे, जबकि कांग्रेस का बजट 1400 करोड़ और भाजपा का बजट 700 करोड़ रुपये का है।

[Prikshit]

Brother, I agree with your on the green highlighted text and disagree on the red one.

For the red text, if you are talking about Anna Hazare and few others, at least they are not accusing this guy of any fraud or cheating. Secondly, they have their logical differences on how to take on corruption. Kejriwal has chosen what he finds the best and they have done their own way. Do you see a major problem here, which I am ignoring?
Bhai you agree or not that is upto you, but you can't deny his My way or Highway trait. I guess you missed this.

[anilsangwan]

Ha ha ha, ebbey to woh khud bhi highway par e baitha s... :-) Par dekho ke bera badhiya e likadd ja maanas..?



Bhai you agree or not that is upto you, but you can't deny his My way or Highway trait. I guess you missed this.

[desijat]

And this reflects in his selection of candidates too. He has either chosen candidates that are already independent Councillors, or have lost elections in the past from other parties or people who are not very educated.


Bhai you agree or not that is upto you, but you can't deny his My way or Highway trait. I guess you missed this.

[rajpaldular]

अगर केजरीवाल जी प्रधानमंत्री बन गए तो
# भारत के सभी न्यायलयों में ताला लग जाएगा , वकील व जज भूखे मरेंगे क्यूंकि ये खुद ही जांच करेंगे और खुद ही फैसला सुनायेंगे जो सर्वोपरी होगा |
# कोई आपकी मंदिर से भी चप्पल नहीं चुरा पायेगा क्यूंकि लोकपाल बिल लागू हो जाएगा |
# संसद का बोरिंग सत्र एंटरटेनमेंट से भरपूर होगा क्यूंकि माननीय कुमार विश्वास साहब जी वहां मुशायरा करेंगे |
# घर घर में मुफ्त की बिजली पहुंचेगी और यदि आपके घर की बिजली किसी कारणवश कट जाती हैं तो स्वयं प्रधानमंत्री केजरीवाल जी खुद आकर आपके बिजली का कनेक्शन जोड़ेंगे |
# भारत दुनिया का सबसे ईमानदार देश बनेगा | स्वयं पीएम साहब हर महीने लाखो लोगों को ईमानदारी का सर्टिफिकेट देने के लिए 'आम आदमी ईमानदार योजना' की शुरुवात करेंगे |
# कुमार विश्वास जी की भावनाए आहत ना हो इस बात का ध्यान रखते हुए समलैंगिकता को मंजूरी दी जायेगी |
# संसद में तीन की जगह चार सत्र होंगे .... बजट सत्र , मानसून सत्र , शीतकालीन सत्र व अनशन सत्र |
# सुरक्षा को ध्यान में रखते हुए युवाओं को बाइक चलाते वक़्त हेल्मट की बजाय टोपी पहनना अनिवार्य होगा |
# गंगा नदी पर बोझ कम होगा , कोई गुनाह करने के बाद पाप का प्रायश्चित करने के लिए आपको गंगा नदी में नहाने की बजाय आप "a.a.p" ज्वाइन करके अपने सारे पाप धो सकते हैं व ईमानदार बन सकते |
# f.i.r. व सबूतों का महत्व घटेगा , आप बस किसी पर आरोप लगा दीजिये वो स्वत: गुनेहगार साबित हो जाएगा |
# एक अभद्र शब्द 'klpd' का अर्थ बदलकर सभ्यता के साथ " केजरीवाल लोक-पाल दल " रखा जाएगा |
# घोटालो व कामचोरी में कमी आएगी क्यूंकि नौकरी हेतु केजरीवाल जी द्वारा स्वीकृत ईमानदारी का प्रमाण-पत्र संलग्न करना आवश्यक होगा |
केजरीवाल एक फायदे अनेक

[Prikshit]

And this reflects in his selection of candidates too. He has either chosen candidates that are already independent Councillors, or have lost elections in the past from other parties or people who are not very educated.
He is no different when it comes to politics. But his presence can't be neglected as per the current of show of surverys. Congress desh ko kha rhi hai, AAP Congress aur BJP dono ko kha rhi hai. Aur Internal politics BJP ko kha rhi hai. Mulayam/akhilesh secularism ka kha rha hai, securalism desh ko kha rhi hai. Aur jo hindu paida ho gya use wo communal bta rhi hai.

[desijat]

He is no different when it comes to politics. But his presence can't be neglected as per the current of show of surverys. Congress desh ko kha rhi hai, AAP Congress aur BJP dono ko kha rhi hai. Aur Internal politics BJP ko kha rhi hai. Mulayam/akhilesh secularism ka kha rha hai, securalism desh ko kha rhi hai. Aur jo hindu paida ho gya use wo communal bta rhi hai.

देश और देशवासियो को तो हर कोई खा रहा है, ये शेर सही बैठता है

" राम नाम की लूट है लूट सके तो लूट, फिर बाद मैं पछतायेगा जब प्राण जायेंगे छूट"

[rkumar]

देश और देशवासियो को तो हर कोई खा रहा है, ये शेर सही बैठता है

" राम नाम की लूट है लूट सके तो लूट, फिर बाद मैं पछतायेगा जब प्राण जायेंगे छूट"

exactly. Seculars are milking people by keeping the Ram Temple gates shut. Ko hadtal karke kama raha hai aur koi hadtal tudwakar.... Peple know who is who.

RK^2

[desijat]

After so much Advance Hype, if AAP doesn't win Delhi Election, they should change their name to Kejriwal Lok Pal Dal - in short - KLPD



(joy's tweet)

[RathiJi]

देश और देशवासियो को तो हर कोई खा रहा है, ये शेर सही बैठता है

" राम नाम की लूट है लूट सके तो लूट, फिर बाद मैं पछतायेगा जब प्राण जायेंगे छूट"

Ram ka nam bas istemal karne ke liye hai kya ?

[RathiJi]

Sameer Nayar Ex- CEO of NDTV just joined AAP.

[anilsangwan]

Rajpal ji.... ho sake to mujhe maaf karna, lekin aap apne posts ka level bahut neeche gira rahe ho !!! Not because you are writing against someone, but you are writing all useless stuff - neeche likhi adhiktar baatein fijool hain.... jaise ki "संसद में तीन की जगह चार सत्र होंगे .... बजट सत्र , मानसून सत्र , शीतकालीन सत्र व अनशन सत्र" --------- Anshan mein kya buraayi hai ?

.....doosron ki chhodo, kam se kam aise post na likh kar apna khud ka time to bachaao !!!



अगर केजरीवाल जी प्रधानमंत्री बन गए तो
# भारत के सभी न्यायलयों में ताला लग जाएगा , वकील व जज भूखे मरेंगे क्यूंकि ये खुद ही जांच करेंगे और खुद ही फैसला सुनायेंगे जो सर्वोपरी होगा |
# कोई आपकी मंदिर से भी चप्पल नहीं चुरा पायेगा क्यूंकि लोकपाल बिल लागू हो जाएगा |
# संसद का बोरिंग सत्र एंटरटेनमेंट से भरपूर होगा क्यूंकि माननीय कुमार विश्वास साहब जी वहां मुशायरा करेंगे |
# घर घर में मुफ्त की बिजली पहुंचेगी और यदि आपके घर की बिजली किसी कारणवश कट जाती हैं तो स्वयं प्रधानमंत्री केजरीवाल जी खुद आकर आपके बिजली का कनेक्शन जोड़ेंगे |
# भारत दुनिया का सबसे ईमानदार देश बनेगा | स्वयं पीएम साहब हर महीने लाखो लोगों को ईमानदारी का सर्टिफिकेट देने के लिए 'आम आदमी ईमानदार योजना' की शुरुवात करेंगे |
# कुमार विश्वास जी की भावनाए आहत ना हो इस बात का ध्यान रखते हुए समलैंगिकता को मंजूरी दी जायेगी |
# संसद में तीन की जगह चार सत्र होंगे .... बजट सत्र , मानसून सत्र , शीतकालीन सत्र व अनशन सत्र |
# सुरक्षा को ध्यान में रखते हुए युवाओं को बाइक चलाते वक़्त हेल्मट की बजाय टोपी पहनना अनिवार्य होगा |
# गंगा नदी पर बोझ कम होगा , कोई गुनाह करने के बाद पाप का प्रायश्चित करने के लिए आपको गंगा नदी में नहाने की बजाय आप "a.a.p" ज्वाइन करके अपने सारे पाप धो सकते हैं व ईमानदार बन सकते |
# f.i.r. व सबूतों का महत्व घटेगा , आप बस किसी पर आरोप लगा दीजिये वो स्वत: गुनेहगार साबित हो जाएगा |
# एक अभद्र शब्द 'klpd' का अर्थ बदलकर सभ्यता के साथ " केजरीवाल लोक-पाल दल " रखा जाएगा |
# घोटालो व कामचोरी में कमी आएगी क्यूंकि नौकरी हेतु केजरीवाल जी द्वारा स्वीकृत ईमानदारी का प्रमाण-पत्र संलग्न करना आवश्यक होगा |
केजरीवाल एक फायदे अनेक

[anilsangwan]

Kyu?....... uss se "Sheela" Jawaan ho jaayegi ? :livid:



After so much Advance Hype, if AAP doesn't win Delhi Election, they should change their name to Kejriwal Lok Pal Dal - in short - KLPD



(joy's tweet)

[pawandahiya]

Rajpal ji.... ho sake to mujhe maaf karna, lekin aap apne posts ka level bahut neeche gira rahe ho !!! Not because you are writing against someone, but you are writing all useless stuff - neeche likhi adhiktar baatein fijool hain.... jaise ki "संसद में तीन की जगह चार सत्र होंगे .... बजट सत्र , मानसून सत्र , शीतकालीन सत्र व अनशन सत्र" --------- Anshan mein kya buraayi hai ?

.....doosron ki chhodo, kam se kam aise post na likh kar apna khud ka time to bachaao !!!


True. Whoever is doing a blind copy paste from sources like feku/FB should be moderated heavily. It dilutes the discussion.

[RathiJi]

Rajpal ji.... ho sake to mujhe maaf karna, lekin aap apne posts ka level bahut neeche gira rahe ho !!! Not because you are writing against someone, but you are writing all useless stuff - neeche likhi adhiktar baatein fijool hain.... jaise ki "संसद में तीन की जगह चार सत्र होंगे .... बजट सत्र , मानसून सत्र , शीतकालीन सत्र व अनशन सत्र" --------- Anshan mein kya buraayi hai ?

.....doosron ki chhodo, kam se kam aise post na likh kar apna khud ka time to bachaao !!!

Bilkul sahi baat Anil ji useless copy/paste se sab bahut pareshan hai . The levels are going down day by day like here we are fighting to stop uselss copy/paste from web people have gone one step ahead. The new trend is even copying the useless stuff from Jatalnd post and re-posting it again. For example

In post # 182

Desi posted the same useless line which was earlier posted in Rajpal Ji's post & wasted one more post. Too much.

[rajpaldular]

AAP is anti-national, Subramanian Swamy saysIANS | Nov 5, 2013, 05.03 PM IST

NEW DELHI: Bharatiya Janata Party (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bharatiya-Janata-Party) (BJP) leader Subramanian Swamy (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Subramanian-Swamy) on Tuesday said theAam Aadmi Party (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Aam-Aadmi-Party) (AAP) and the Congress have formed a "secret alliance" in Delhi ahead of the December 4 assembly elections.

"Both the parties are scared the BJP (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bharatiya-Janata-Party) will win the polls and have entered into an unholy agreement to counter us," Swamy told mediapersons here.

The BJP leader said the AAP was an "anti-national" party and would struggle to win even a single seat in Delhi.

"Their leaders support the idea of handing over Kashmir to Pakistan and espouse the cause of Maoists," he said.

[rajpaldular]

कड़वा आम ,सड़ी गुठली

जिसे आम पार्टी बताया जा रहा है असल में वह ऐसी गुठली पार्टी है जिसे अन्ना ने कब का चूसकर फेंक दिया था. जिसका स्वाद इतना कसैला निकला आज तक मुंह का स्वाद सुधर नहीं पाया है. दिल्ली विधानसभा चुनाव में इस गुठली से जड़ न निकल पाए बस दिल्ली की जनता को इस बात का ध्यान रखना है वर्ना देश की जनता का मुंह भी कसैला हो जाएगा.

[rajpaldular]

यूपी के आईपीएस अधिकारी श्री अमिताभ ठाकुर की धर्मपत्नी डॉ नूतन ठाकुर ने "आप" पार्टी से त्यागपत्र दे दिया. इसके बाद "आप" के समर्थकों ने ईमेल और फोन से अपशब्द, अभद्र टिप्पणियां और व्यक्तिगत आक्षेप लगाने का सिलसिला शुरू कर दिया है. इससे पता चलता है कि "आम आदमी पार्टी" अन्य पार्टियों से कितनी अलग है?

डॉ नूतन ठाकुर के त्यागपत्र के कुछ अंश :-

सुश्री साजिया इल्मी आराम से पंद्रह लाख रुपये किसी भी रूप में लेने को तैयार दिखती हैं, फिर उनके पीए विस्तार से पूरी बात बताते हैं. सुन कर आश्चर्य लगता है कि पच्चीस-पचीस हज़ार के चार-पांच आदमी रखे गए हैं, रोज पांच हज़ार तक तेल-पानी का खर्चा है, महीने का ऑफिस का खर्च पांच लाख तक है. मीडिया पर लाखों का खर्च अलग से. यदि यह सब खर्च अभी सत्ता में आये बिना है, तो फिर आगे क्या होगा?

श्री कुमार विश्वास बिजिनेस क्लास के नीचे नहीं चलते, सुइट के नीचे नहीं ठहरते, उनके पीए भी उसी में चलते और रुकते हैं. पैसा किसका है, क्यों है, गलत है, सही है, इससे उन्हें कोई वास्ता नहीं है. यदि यह सब ही होना था तो फिर वे विरोध किन का और क्यों कर रहे थे? उनकी बातों से यह भी साफ़ झलकता है कि उन्हें इस बात से कोई वास्ता नहीं कि पैसा किसका और कहाँ से लग रहा है. उनकी हाई-फाई जिन्दगी के प्रति लगाव की बात भी काफी हद सामने आ ही जाती है.

इसके अलावा अन्य प्रत्याशीगण के शब्द भी काफी कुछ कहते हैं और यह बताते दिखते हैं कि एक पुरुष और एक महिला प्रत्याशी को छोड़ कर बाकी सभी प्रत्याशी उसी दौड़ में शामिल हैं जिससे मुकाबला करने की बात आप बहुत जोर-शोर से कहते रहे हैं.

मैंने आम आदमी पार्टी का प्रेस कॉन्फ्रेंस सुना. यदि मैं ईमानदारी से कहूँ तो मुझे बहुत साफ़ लग रहा था कि इसमें बचाव की पूरी भाव-भंगिमा है. कल रात का आम आदमी पार्टी का फ़िल्मी लोगों को बुला कर गाने के कार्यक्रम को भी देखा और सुना. कुछ विचित्र सा लगा क्योंकि ऐसा लगा कि उच्चतम आदर्शों की बात करने वाली पार्टी किसी भी प्रकार से लोगों को आकर्षित करने को बेचैन है.

हालिया घटना-क्रम ने मुझे यह स्पष्ट कर दिया है कि इस पार्टी में रहने की जगह इससे अलग अपनी अकेली हैसियत में अपनी सीमित शक्ति में सामाजिक कार्य करने में शायद मुझे कहीं अधिक संतुष्टि मिलेगी और ऐसा नहीं लगेगा कि मैं ऐसी पार्टी की सदस्य हूँ जिसके शब्द तो बहुत भारी थे लेकिन मौके आने पर उनकी कई सारी बातें उन भारी शब्दों से काफी अलग दिख जाती हैं.

दिनांक- 24/11/2013
डॉ नूतन ठाकुर
गोमतीनगर, लखनऊ""

[RajatSingh]

R
कड़वा आम ,सड़ी गुठली

जिसे आम पार्टी बताया जा रहा है असल में वह ऐसी गुठली पार्टी है जिसे अन्ना ने कब का चूसकर फेंक दिया था. जिसका स्वाद इतना कसैला निकला आज तक मुंह का स्वाद सुधर नहीं पाया है. दिल्ली विधानसभा चुनाव में इस गुठली से जड़ न निकल पाए बस दिल्ली की जनता को इस बात का ध्यान रखना है वर्ना देश की जनता का मुंह भी कसैला हो जाएगा.

Janabeaali....bjp se badi makkar party koi ni hie is desh mie....modi se bada communal koi ni hie.....

[rajpaldular]

Kejriwal blackmailing Anna: Blogger Raju Parulekar
www.youtube.comRaju (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JR-TH-pjmoI) Parulekar, a blogger, has accused Aam Admi Party leader Arvind Kejriwal of blackmailing Anna.

[rajpaldular]

आजकल आप पार्टी वालों की मौज है अन्ना हजारे के आन्दोलन के समय के चंदे के पैसे अब काम आ रहे हैं. अन्ना जी आप भी देख लो चन्दा कहाँ खर्च हो रहा है?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s403x403/1468606_551014588315952_484707719_n.jpg

[Prikshit]

आजकल आप पार्टी वालों की मौज है अन्ना हजारे के आन्दोलन के समय के चंदे के पैसे अब काम आ रहे हैं. अन्ना जी आप भी देख लो चन्दा कहाँ खर्च हो रहा है?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s403x403/1468606_551014588315952_484707719_n.jpg


It may or may not be true, but what comes out on 8th Dec would be true.

[anilsangwan]

Now, what does Diggi and you say on Arvind Kejriwal ? :victorious: ---- This Kejriwal has beaten Delhi Chief Minister madam by more than 25,000 votes !!!!!



Diggi on Kejriwal
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/video-story/254623?hp

[rekhasmriti]

Superb Show By AAP-
Ground Level Work ......Great People Engagement .

N Defeating Shiela with majority in the her own constituency .....great . Time of promises has ended now there are responsibilities ......lets see how they are with responsibilities .

PS : I still find them not capable to rule

[pawandahiya]

Hope AAP candidates don't run to bjp and stick to their promise. Baki kangress ki kutiya si peet di ;)

[vicky84]

Hope AAP candidates don't run to bjp and stick to their promise. Baki kangress ki kutiya si peet di ;)
I still remember, when Shiela Dikshit was asked about AAP and she replied "AAP kya hai"?

Ab pata chal gaya hoga AAP kya hai.

[anilsangwan]

It is "AAP" impact that BJP is not considering to form a govt in Delhi by buying/luring other party MLAs as AAP has set high moral levels for everyone by sticking to its stand of neither taking the support nor extending to anyone...... !!! Dr Harshvardhan from BJP has also put a very brave face by saying that he is not looking forward to become next CM as he doesnt have clear mandate.

Baaki - Sheila Madam jo khud 25,000+ se haari, uss ka maja khoob loota Delhi ki Janata ne kall...... !!!!

[SumitJattan]

Congress become so arrogant in Delhi let me give you the main reasons why she lost ... she did good work no one can deny that but the center drowned her also

Reason 1

Lathi charge on Ram Dev sleeping bhagats

Reason 2

Arrest of Anna ji before the andolan

Reason 3

Lathi Charge on the protesters during the agetitations against the rape victim

Reason 4

People still wonders how the toilet roll worth 4000 Rs looks like ;)

The biggest nail in her coffin is the inflation which is most secular and hit every one with same ferocity


It is "AAP" impact that BJP is not considering to form a govt in Delhi by buying/luring other party MLAs as AAP has set high moral levels for everyone by sticking to its stand of neither taking the support nor extending to anyone...... !!! Dr Harshvardhan from BJP has also put a very brave face by saying that he is not looking forward to become next CM as he doesnt have clear mandate.

Baaki - Sheila Madam jo khud 25,000+ se haari, uss ka maja khoob loota Delhi ki Janata ne kall...... !!!!

[rajpaldular]

दिल्ली विधान सभा के चुनाव परिणाम बताते हैं कि कांग्रेस ने जिस 'आम पार्टी' को भाजपा के लिए खाई खोदने के लिए तैयार किया था उसने कांग्रेस को ही खाई में धकेल दिया। आज उस मुहावरे की सत्यता भी प्रमाणित हो रही है जिसमें कहा जाता है कि जो दूसरों के लिए खाई खोदता है स्वयं उसमें गिर जाता है।

[rajpaldular]

पुरानी बोतल में नयी शराब !!!!!!!!!


दिल्ली में स्वयं काँग्रेस ने करवाया अपना सूपड़ा साफ। चार राज्यों के चुनावों में कांग्रेस को करारी पराजय भले ही मिली हो परन्तु दिल्ली को लेकर भारत की राजनीति में कांग्रेस रुपी विदेशी ताकतों ने बहुत बडा गेम खेला है। ये गेम कांग्रेस ने अपनी पैदाईश "आप" पार्टी को साथ लेकर खेला है। बंदुक और निशाना काँग्रेस (विदेशी शक्तियों) का था, कंधा केजरीवाल ल का प्रयोग किया एवं लक्ष्य लोकसभा चुनाव 2014


दिल्ली में "आप" पार्टी की कोई औकात नहीं थी कि वे इतनी सीटें जीत कर ले जाये। जब तक कि काँग्रेस अपनी लडाई से पीछे ना हट पड़े। दिल्ली में कांग्रेस हारी नहीं अपितु कांग्रेस ने स्वयं हार को गले लगाया और केजरीवाल ने जीत स्वयं के दम पर प्राप्त नहीं कि अपितु काँग्रेस ने हर प्रकार से "आप" को पैर पसारने का अवसर देकर विजय दिलाई।


अब यक्ष प्रश्न खडा होता हैं कि आखिर इसके पीछे का पूरा षड़यंत्र है क्या? ये एक बहुत बडा षडयंत्र है जो कि लंबी रणनीति के तहत खेला गया है। इस षडयंत्र को चुनाव के पहले केवल दिल्ली ही नहीं अपितु देशभर में किये गये तमाम सर्वेक्षणों के परिणामों के पश्चात पियार किया गया है। हर तरह के चुनावी सर्वेक्षण में हर राज्य में कांग्रेस की करारी पराजय सामने आ ही रही है किन्तु कांग्रेस किसी भी तरह से अपनी इस "पराजय" को बीजेपी के गले की "विजय" माला बनने नहीं देना चाहती और जनता का मूड भी कांग्रेस अच्छी तरह से भाँप चुकी है कि किसी भी परिस्थिति में जनता अब काँग्रेस को वोट नहीं देने वाली और नरेंद्र मोदी के हाथ में देश की कमान काँग्रेस सहन कर ही नहीं सकती। परन्तु नरेंद्र मोदी का तोड अब काँग्रेस के माध्यम से निकलना असंभव सा है। इसलिये कांग्रेस ने अब अपनी रणनीति को बदलते हुए पैंतरा ही बदल लिया।


दिल्ली में "आप" का कद बढ़वाकर काँग्रेस ने कई निशाने साधे हैं:-


1. "आप" को जितवा कर काँग्रेस ने केजरीवाल को हीरो बनाने की चेष्टा की है।


2. सारे कांग्रेसी दलाल मीडिया जिनको विवशता में नरेंद्र मोदी का ही नाम लेना पडता था। वो अब केजरीवाल को मोदी की तुलना में खडा करेंगे।


3. विदेशी शक्तियों ने पहले ही केजरीवाल पर भारी भरकम पैसा लगा रखा है। अब विदेशी पैसों पर ही पलने वाला भाण्ड मीडिया सम्पूर्ण शक्ति लगाकर केजरीवाल को नरेंद्र मोदी के टक्कर में खडा करने का प्रयास करेगा।


4. इसका अर्थ लोकसभा चुनाव में जो वोट कांग्रेस से कट कर बीजेपी को जा रहे थे अब उन्हें केजरीवाल के खाते में उतारा जायेगा।


5. विदेशी शक्तियों ने अपनी रखैल कांग्रेस को अब नई खाल "आप" पार्टी के रुप में उतार दिया है।




यह नरेंद्र मोदी की बढती शक्ति पर कठोर अंकुश लगाने का राष्ट्र विरोधी विदेशी शक्तियों का बहुत बड़ा गेम प्लान दृष्टिगोचर हो रहा है। हमें हर किसी को होशियार करने की अत्यंत आवश्यकता है।


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1. भारतीय आर्मी के दो जवान के सर पाकिस्तानी सैनिको ने काट दिए, लघभग सभी पार्टियों ने पाकिस्तान के खिलाफ कोई न कोई बयान दिया था | लेकिन केजरीवाल जी का कहना है कि "पाकिस्तान से जंग नही होनी चाहिए ।" कहीं ये मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरण तो नहीं है ? अपने देश के सैनिको के सम्मान की रक्षा में असमर्थता, कायरता ?लिंक देखिये -http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pak-army-act-unpardonable-but-war-is-undesirable-Kejriwal/articleshow/18049289.cms

2. "अफजल गुरु की फांसी से अंतरराष्ट्रीय स्तर पर देश की बदनामी हुई है ।" - मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरण एवं देशद्रोह ?क्योंकि काफी मुस्लिमों ने अफज़ल की फांसी का विरोध किया थालिंक देखिये-http://hindi.yahoo.com/national-10191838-111003850.html

3. "भारतीय आर्मी कश्मीरी लोगो को मारती है |" - मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरण एवं देशद्रोह ?लिंक देखियेhttp://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2013/Mar/6/army-responsible-for-killing-of-kashmiris-prashant-bhushan-41.aspइनका (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greaterkashmir.com%2Fnews %2F2013%2FMar%2F6%2Farmy-responsible-for-killing-of-kashmiris-prashant-bhushan-41.asp%E0%A4%87%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE&h=0AQFG4DjPAQH3CC1GV5zCpnpIOZ3vWMwx2NWIOISGbQEKyg&s=1) कहना है - कश्मीर में मुस्लिम चाहते है कि कश्मीर को भारत से अलग कर दिया जाये इसलिए कश्मीर को अलग कर के भारत का एक टुकड़ा और कर दिया जाए |

4. हिन्दू आतंकवाद आज चरम पर है - मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरण ?लिंक देखिये-http://hindi.yahoo.com/national (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhindi.yahoo.com%2Fnational&h=8AQHo2p-SAQGkfpAodAs1o_L42DcugiTKfvKz0mnhNlfuMw&s=1)-10191838-111003850.htmlक्या आज तक किसी पार्टी ने यह कहा है कि मुस्लिम आतंकवाद आज चरम पर है ?

5. "कश्मीर को भारत से अलग कर दिया जाये" - मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरण एवं देशद्रोह ?लिंक देखिये-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQom1xy8kUMकश्मीर (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQom1xy8kUM%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0% A4%AE%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B0) में मुस्लिम चाहते है कि कश्मीर को भारत से अलग कर दिया जाये |

6. बुखारी ने कहा अन्ना के आन्दोलन* से वन्दे मातरम बंद कर दीजिये क्यूंकि मुस्लिमों में वन्दे मातरम नही बोला जाता है, केजरीवाल ने बंद किया वन्दे मातरम और बाद में इसी बुखारी के पास मिलने भी गये | - मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरण एवं देशद्रोह ?लिंक देखिये-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wyufhKIyesक्या (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 D2wyufhKIyes%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A5%258D%25E0%25 A4%25AF%25E0%25A4%25BE&h=qAQFkIEUcAQH-CYSyZWscA4dVGZw1c57DlC6kc-uCkkWdQQ&s=1) ऐसे लोगो का समर्थन लेना जरुरी था केजरीवाल को ?

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8. बुखारी की जामा मस्जिद पर 4 करोड़ का बिजली का बिल कई सालो से बकाया है पर न कांग्रेस कुछ कहती है न हमारे केजरीवाल जी - मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरण ?लिंक देखिये-http://www.indianexpress.com/news/jama (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indianexpress.com%2Fnews% 2Fjama&h=JAQF7rhRqAQEXOph1VNwoxunRgBtDjzqWxWteRIindtTJcA&s=1)-masjid-runs-up-rs-4cr-power-bill-spat-over-dues-has-area-in-dark/1007397/जबकि केजरीवाल बिजली बिल के खिलाफ इतने दिनों से बैठे है जिसे वो अनशन कहते हैं |

9. अकबरुद्दीन ओवैसी ने बयान दिया कि हम 100 करोड़ हिन्दुओ को खत्म कर देंगे और श्री राम को गलियां दी पर केजरीवाल का कोई बयान ओवेसी के खिलाफ नही आया बल्कि उन्होंने सुदर्शन न्यूज़ को ही खबर ना दिखाने की नसीहत दे डाली - मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरण ?सुनिए रोंगटे खड़े कर देने वाले हिन्दू के खिलाफ इस विडियो को-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXFFR8NXG1Eलिंक (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3DBXFFR8NXG1E%25E0%25A4%25B2%25E0%25A4%25BF%25E0%2 5A4%2582%25E0%25A4%2595&h=QAQHqf6PCAQFxkqxHLlxomj0CjaSy3g2JRJLVBj2TVespGg&s=1) देखिये-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiyRCEDjLBsकेजरीवाल (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DHiyRCEDjLBs%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%25A5%2587%25E0%25 A4%259C%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A5%2580%25E0%25A4%25 B5%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25B2&h=fAQE_IvQuAQETGKWLkX8Iu6cV1vqXgW5DuYH6kCNCaVP_AQ&s=1) भक्त कहते हैं कि सुदर्शन न्यूज़ चैनल को कोई कॉल नही किया गया है तो केजरीवाल ने ओवैसी का कहीं विरोध क्यूँ नही किया है, किसी भी मीडिया में ओवैसी के खिलाफ केजरीवाल का कोई बयान नही आया है |

10. "कांग्रेस के हिन्दू विरोधी बिल का समर्थन" - मुस्लिम तुष्टीकरणजानिए इस रोंगटे खड़े कर देने वाले हिन्दू के खिलाफ बिल को-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK9CkyVXi90http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2F watch%3Fv%3DDa1dtkeikewकेजरीवाल (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DvK9CkyVXi90http%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252 Fwatch%253Fv%253DDa1dtkeikew%25E0%25A4%2595%25E0%2 5A5%2587%25E0%25A4%259C%25E0%25A4%25B0%25E0%25A5%2 580%25E0%25A4%25B5%25E0%25A4%25BE%25E0%25A4%25B2&h=LAQHLbTBrAQH0tvcH6ixqYWRvn5I0V6No4n3NAK0x0Zc80A&s=1) की साथी साजिया इल्मी का tweet देखियेलिंक देखिये-https://twitter.com/shaziailmi/status/156335195665072129केजरीवाल (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fshaziailmi%2Fs tatus%2F156335195665072129%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%87%E0%A4 %9C%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2&h=gAQFH5rEGAQH1FdXfLOb_8_JvlwahREoEl9cQ2pcSANwvqg&s=1) भक्त कहते हैं, हम इस बिल का समर्थन नही करते हैं तो फिर आपने अभी तक ऐसे हिन्दू विरोधी बिल के खिलाफ मीडिया में कोई बयान क्यूँ नही दिया है |

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12. जनता के पेसे से केजरीवाल एश कर रहे हैं, देखिये इस बिल कोलिंक देखिये-http://www.bhaskar.com/article/NAT (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bhaskar.com%2Farticle%2FN AT&h=qAQFkIEUcAQE3MTbGqFLDwWshL5UImyCPCN-EVR0_Q6sPVA&s=1)-india-against-corruption-movement-complete-fund-and-expenditure-details-3836280-PHO.html?seq=4&HT1=%3FBIG-PIC%3Dhttp://www.bhaskar.com/article/NAT-india-against-corruption-movement-complete-fund-and-expenditure-details-3836280-PHO.html?seq=5&HT1=%3FBIG-PIC%3D

13. अरविन्द केजरीवाल से प्रश्न पूछो और पिटाई खाओ ! इनसे कोई सवाल करे तो समर्थक उसको पीट देते हैं |लिंक देखिये-http://www.punjabkesari.in/news/केजरीवाल (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.punjabkesari.in%2Fnews%2F %E0%A4%95%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%E0%A 4%B5%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2&h=eAQFaTmPtAQE5oxLxqZypuj8gi1wS0m6dnZXznp64Tn0MzA&s=1)-से-सवाल-पूछना-पड़ा-मंहगा-114388

14. केजरीवाल पर घोटाले का तथ्य छुपाने का आरोपलिंक देखिये-http://www.samaylive.com/nation (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.samaylive.com%2Fnation&h=CAQEN-6tPAQGyunY9il3rtklQ7hIFpLD1x7R_eG7DDaH7hw&s=1)-news-in-hindi/174062/yp-singh-slam-kejriwal-for-hiding-land-scam.html

15. कांग्रेस ने अपने विरोध को रोकने के लिए और अपने प्रचार के लिए सोशल मीडिया पर 100 करोड का खर्चा किया है पर केजरीवाल टीम ने खुलासा किया कि बीजेपी ने 100 करोड़ का खर्चा किया है |लिंक देखीये-http://www.governancenow.com/gov (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.governancenow.com%2Fgov&h=JAQF7rhRqAQG3xImDrCFFWTJ6ESjAUrB7Mrxhc7TbiKPQXg)-next/egov/congress-plans-rs-100-crore-social-media-war-chest

16. केजरीवाल की साथी अंजलि दमानिया के घोटाले का पूरा लेखा झोका !लिंक देखिये-http://www.dnaindia.com/pune/report_activist (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dnaindia.com%2Fpune%2Frep ort_activist&h=kAQF_KOdaAQFGsDQ07jr99zTqJ9jEdn0nQEVw47ygwgJOzw&s=1)-anjali-damania-a-land-shark-too_1746829

17. कुमार विश्वास 'ब्रह्मा विष्णु महेश' का मजाक उड़ाते हुए - क्या कभी कुमार ने अलाह या इसाइयत पर ऐसा कुछ बोला है ?लिंक देखिये-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvANmaShh2U

18. जिस दिन केजरीवाल ने गडकरी के खिलाफ खुलासा किया था उसके अगले ही दिन ABP न्यूज़ चैनल उन किसानो के घर गया था और वहां जाकर पता चला कि गडकरी ने उनकी जमीन नही हडपी है और आज भी वो वहां खेती कर रहे हैं |लिंक देखिये:-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aYX2Ik5tgkhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2F watch%3Fv%3DHtGHcUjJlagअब (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 D2aYX2Ik5tgkhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252 Fwatch%253Fv%253DHtGHcUjJlag%25E0%25A4%2585%25E0%2 5A4%25AC&h=ZAQEa2sBQAQFjJIrNLeCkTMIp0hNQKE4oIgPMDwcwueIoiQ&s=1) समझ आया कि केजरीवाल केवल खुलासे ही क्यूं करते हैं कोर्ट क्यूँ नही जाते हैं क्यूंकि वहां तो इनके खुलासे चलेंगे नही अभी से झूट बोलता है राजनीति में आया तो न जाने क्या क्या करेगा?

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19. केजरीवाल टीम का पाकिस्तानी प्रेम - फेसबुक पर लिखते हैं "I love Pak"लिंक देखिये-http://www.bhaskar.com/article/TOW (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bhaskar.com%2Farticle%2FT OW&h=yAQHQcMNNAQG3RnliceANBeQXbz2iYYFW9Cwl_p4oZg36qg&s=1)-i-love-my-pakista-status-deleted-by-facebook-4178960-NOR.htmlकहता है .... " हमारे पास अभिव्यक्ति की स्वतंत्रता है, लेकिन ये कैसी अभिव्यक्ति की हम आई लव पाकिस्तान तक नहीं लिख सकते। मैंने यह स्टेट्स सिर्फ इसलिए लिखा था क्योंकि मैं दोनों देशों के बीच बेहतर संबंधों की ख्वाहिश रखता हूं।"जरा हरामखोरी की हद तो देखो !!! आए दिन हमारे जवानों, देश में आतंवाद जैसी घटनाओं को अंजाम देने में लिप्त पाकिस्तान के साथ ये देश द्रोही बेहतर सम्बन्ध बनाने की ख्वाइश रखते हैं |

20. केजरीवाल को यह चुनौती दी थी की अगर उनकी टीम में हिम्मत है तो वे जंतर मंतर में होने वाले debate में शामिल हों और मेरे तथा अन्य सदस्यों के सवालों का जवाब दें। परन्तु टीम केजरीवाल का कोई भी सदस्य चर्चा में शामिल नहीं हुआलिंक देखिये-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPJsKzWxbKw&list=UU1tnj_v8Sn (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DXPJsKzWxbKw%26list%3DUU1tnj_v8Sn&h=vAQFWAw1IAQFmKGddxdACE9sZcyt5jNUYCwif3iK562PSbA&s=1)-hWERFvqSjBWQ&index=9सभी पार्टी से सवाल पूछते रहते हैं और इनसे कोई सवाल करे तो भाग जाते हैं |

21. प्रशांत भूसण हिमाचल प्रदेश के जमीन घोलते में फसे हुए हैं |लिंक देखिये-http://ibnlive.in.com/news/himachal (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fibnlive.in.com%2Fnews%2Fhimac hal&h=zAQFRNg0EAQG8rq75dH82h6c7BHfqLpVn2SQRtTA6f-BQDQ&s=1)-pradesh-probe-begins-into-prashant-bhushans-land-deal/376046-3-254.htmlखुद की पार्टी में घोटाले हैं और लोगो से सवाल पूछते हैं |

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[rajpaldular]

22. प्रशांत भूसण जज को 4 करोड़ की घुस देते हैं |लिंक देखिये-http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Farticles.timesofindia.indiati mes.com%2F2011&h=uAQGbYmy5AQG-uT2G2aFaYAtpVu4pCqOoFO_wzX9ZD_xbcg&s=1)-04-17/india/29427409_1_forensic-experts-corruption-spectrum-scamखुद की पार्टी में चोर हैं और पार्टी में चोर बता रहे हैं |

23. शांति भूसन का 1.3 करोड़ रुपए की टैक्स चोरी में पकड़े गए और 27 लाख का जुरमाना भरा |लिंक देखिये-http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/team (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ndtv.com%2Farticle%2Findi a%2Fteam&h=2AQGw_1ezAQH4hvqhMZ7MbwBaQ4YlBPH2o8zhnzReHc-Y-g&s=1)-anna-s-shanti-bhushan-found-guilty-of-evading-1-3-crores-of-property-taxes-164319खुद की पार्टी में चोर हैं और पार्टी में चोर बता रहे हैं |

24. शांति भूसण ने बैंगलोर में धमाके करने वाले आंतकवादी अब्दुल नससे मदनी को बचाया था ? इस आतंकवादी ने कितने ही बेगुनाहों की हत्या कर दी थी? क्या शांति भूसन का मदनी को अपने मित्र के नाते सजा से बचाना सही है?लिंक देखिये-http://www.indianexpress.com/news/madani (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indianexpress.com%2Fnews% 2Fmadani&h=RAQHlJTc0AQG_WKHCjpcaeLuNMFlUVLlA5LAOG0P9k4t2AA&s=1)-may-pose-major-threat-if-released-ktaka-govt/783526खुद देशद्रोही को बचाते हैं |

25. शांति भूसण नॉएडा व इलाहबाद के जमींन घोटाले में फंसे और आरोप सिद्ध भी हो चुके हैं |लिंक देखिये-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRPmTOtFln8एक (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DxRPmTOtFln8%25E0%25A4%258F%25E0%25A4%2595&h=HAQEq1T9oAQFmaLhu45rz4aaykoOp0mGKlJ9AJvqFMavT9w&s=1) चोर पार्टी दूसरी पार्टी में चोर देख रही है |

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26. शांति भुसण का आतंकवादी शौकत हुसैन गुरु जिसने 2001 में संसद पर आतंकी हमले किये थे उसको बचाना सही था ?लिंक देखिये-http://www.indlawnews.com/Newsdisplay.aspx?5b7510bd-868e-4a1b-ad58-386ec7aeb7fd

27. शांति भूसण का मुंबई में 1993 में हुए बम धमाको में आरोपी आतंकवादियों को बचाना सही था ?लिंक देखिये-http://news.google.co.nz/newspapers?id=luIVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kRMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2103%2C2936835


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[rajpaldular]

28 कश्मीर दंगो, असम दंगो, सिख दंगो, अभी हाल ही मे हुए पश्चिम बंगाल दंगो, बंगलादेश दंगो, रामसेतु मुद्दे पर ये कुछ नहीं कहते | सरकार द्वारा हिन्दू विरोध पर कुछ नही कहते, लेकिन गुजरात दंगो में मुस्लिम पर इतनी चिंता ? ( जबकि नरेंद्र मोदी को सुप्रीम कोर्ट से राहत मिल चुकी है )लिंक देखिये-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnNyH401nQcअब (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnNyH401nQc%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%AC) भी कोई व्यक्ति इस पार्टी के साथ है, तो क्या वो देश-द्रोही, हिन्दू विरोधी और जीता जागता मूर्ख नहीं है ? निर्णय आप स्वं कीजिये | कहीं आपका ध्यान "आप", केजरीवाल टीम और देशद्रोही गतिविधियों से हटकर, क्रमांक पर तो नहीं है ? यदि ऐसा है, तब मान लीजिये कि आप अपने साथ धोखा कर रहे है .. आपको देश की नहीं, क्रमांक की चिंता अधिक है.

[rajpaldular]

देश के लिए, खासकर दिल्ली के लिए -

ध्यान से पढ़िए

केजरीवाल ने कल टीवी पर कहा की बीजेपी जिम्मेदारी से भाग रही है. बीजेपी को कांग्रेस के साथ मिलकर सरकार बनानी चाहिए.

1) पहली बात तो ये की पूरी दुनिया जानती है की बीजेपी भारत को कांग्रेस मुक्त बनाना चाहती है. ऐसे में कोई सोच भी कैसे सकता है की बीजेपी कांग्रेस का समर्थन लेगी ??

2) बीजेपी जिम्मेदारी से भाग नहीं रही बल्कि सिर्फ इतना कह रही है की वो सरकार बनाने के लिए किसी दूसरी पार्टी के पास मदद मांगने नहीं जाएगी. जब बहुमत मिलेगा तब सरकार बनाएगी |

3) नियत की बात करे तो साफ़ केजरीवाल की नहीं लगती. पहले ही दिन कह दिया की विपक्ष में बैठेंगे . क्यूँ ?? अगर कांग्रेस समर्थन देगी तो क्यूँ नहीं सरकार बनायेंगे ?? "आप" ने जनता से वायदे किये है उन्हें पूरा करना "आप" की जिम्मेदारी है . वायदे पुरे करके दिखाओ.

4) फिर से चुनाव की बाते सिर्फ "आम आदमी पार्टी" कर रही है यानी जनता के पैसों की बर्बादी !! क्या किरण बेदी का सुझाव गलत है ??
किरण बेदी ने कहा की जब "आप" और बीजेपी को आधे आधे जनादेश मिले है तो दोनों को मिलकर एक सरकार बनानी चाहिए |
शासन नहीं, सेवा करो |

लेकिन "आम आदमी पार्टी" ने उसे भी मना कर दिया |

नियत किसकी खराब है ??

अरे साफ़ दिल वाले 2 दुश्मन भी देश के लिए हाथ मिला लेते है. तो क्या केजरीवाल बीजेपी के साथ मिलकर दिल्ली के लिए काम नहीं कर सकते ?

लेकिन वैसा किया तो तौकीर साहब नाराज हो जायेंगे और फोर्ड फाउंडेशन भी ??
और कश्मीर को आजादी नहीं मिल पायेगी ?

[rajpaldular]

हम भी आप के विरोधी ऐसे ही नहीं हुए ...
अग्निवेश का भगवन अमरनाथ यात्रा पर भद्दी टिपण्णी करना, आप में माओवादियों, नक्सलियों को स्थान देना, कश्मीर पर दिया प्रशांत भूषण का ब्यान, कुमार विशवास द्वारा भगवान् ब्रह्मा विष्णु महेश का अपमान करना, अरविन्द केजरीवाल का बाटला एन्काउंतर को फर्जी बतना और शहीद मोहन चंद शर्मा का अपमान करना, विनायक सेन को आप पार्टी का सचिव बनाना, शाजिया इल्मी का साम्प्रदायिक एवं लक्षित हिंसा बिल का समर्थन करना, शाजिया इल्मी का pfi की रैली में जाना, मौलाना तौकीर रज़ा जैसे दंगाई से पार्टी का प्रचार करना, वन्दे मातरम् का विरोध करने वाले और खुद को आई एस आई का एजेंट बताने वाले बुखारी के तलुए चाटना, फोर्ड फ़ौंडेशन जैसी विदेशी संस्था से भारत को अस्थिर करने का षड्यंत्र रचना हमारे द्वारा "आप" का विरोध करने के मुख्य कारण है ||

[anilsangwan]

This is rubbish !!!! Had he been Congress agent, he would have formed the govt with Congress now !!!!


दिल्ली विधान सभा के चुनाव परिणाम बताते हैं कि कांग्रेस ने जिस 'आम पार्टी' को भाजपा के लिए खाई खोदने के लिए तैयार किया था उसने कांग्रेस को ही खाई में धकेल दिया। आज उस मुहावरे की सत्यता भी प्रमाणित हो रही है जिसमें कहा जाता है कि जो दूसरों के लिए खाई खोदता है स्वयं उसमें गिर जाता है।

[anil_rathee]

If what is said by Rajpal ji is true then strategically AAP and congress will not form govt in Delhi and eyeing to defeat BJP in 2014... If they form govt that will clarify that they dotn have any hidden agenda for 2014...
This is rubbish !!!! Had he been Congress agent, he would have formed the govt with Congress now !!!!

[Prikshit]

If what is said by Rajpal ji is true then strategically AAP and congress will not form govt in Delhi and eyeing to defeat BJP in 2014... If they form govt that will clarify that they dotn have any hidden agenda for 2014...
They will not form the govt for obvious reasons, they are eyeing expansion of AAP to National level. They are betting on people who don't get tickets from the Congress or the BJP and have some base among the common people. They are playing safe and shrewd. We can't rule out Kejriwal eyeing the PM post, though far from reality(NAMO only :)) but seeing the scenario in Delhi anything can happen

[rajpaldular]

केजरीवाल के दो बच्चे हैं हर्षिता और पुलकित।
जो दिल्ली पब्लिक स्कूल (विकलांग खुर्शीद पोषित) में पढ़ते हैं।
प्रतिमाह शिक्षण शुल्क है 15,000/- मात्र और बस का किराया 4,000 प्रतिमाह।


अर्थात 19,000 x 2 = 38000/- प्रतिमाह।


38000 x 12 = 456000 रुपए प्रतिवर्ष।


धन्य है ऐसा आम आदमी।


और डॉ. हर्षवर्धन के बच्चे सरकारी स्कूल में।


धन्य हो... धन्य हो....


ये लिंक है प्रमाण के तौर पर
1. http://m.ibnlive.com/news/india/family-friends-throng-kejriwals-house-after-aaps-historic-win-in-delhi-polls/438741-3.html


2. http://in.news.yahoo.com/family-friends-throng-kejriwal-39-house-historic-win-150003811.html

[rajpaldular]

कौन कर रहा है ये वादे पूरे : कैसे होंगे
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p280x280/1504138_550626385031382_1558938417_n.jpg

[rajpaldular]

आम आदमी पार्टी मूलतः विचारहीन पार्टी है.


http://bhadas4media.com/state/delhi/16474-2013-12-12-09-07-51.html (http://bhadas4media.com/state/delhi/16474-2013-12-12-09-07-51.html)

[rajpaldular]

आम आदमी पार्टी के कार्यकर्ता कहते हैं की "कांग्रेस और बीजेपी एक समान है , दोनों ने देश को लूटा है।

ये Anti- BJP बनकर Pro- Congressi हैं.. आइये जानते हैं कैसे ??

1. बीजेपी गौ हत्या के खिलाफ है, कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन करती है.. जहाँ बीजेपी की सरकार है वहां गाय के क़त्लखाने पर पाबंदी है | कांग्रेस के राज्यों में गाय कत्लखाने पर सब्सिडी है,,
और इस मुद्दे पर आम आदमी पार्टी(AAP) चुप है ??

2. बीजेपी काश्मीर से धारा 370 हटवाना चाहती है,
लेकिन कांग्रेस इसे कायम रखना चाहती है.. और AAP इस मुद्दे पर चुप है (प्रशांत भूषण कश्मीर को भारत से अलग करने की और सेना को हटाने की मांग करता है)

3. बीजेपी FDI के खिलाफ थी, लेकिन कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन किया.. आम आदमी पार्टी इस पर चुप !!

4. बीजेपी में जो गलती करते हैं उनको तुरंत निष्काषित किया जाता है, कांग्रेस में ऐसा नहीं होता.. आम आदमी पार्टी में प्रशांत भूसन, शशि भूषण पर भ्रस्टाचार के आरोप हैं..
लेकिन फिर भी '' आप '' चुप है ?

5. बीजेपी 5 करोड़ बांग्लादेशी घुसपैठी के खिलाफ है..
कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन करती है, आजतक किसी भी congressi नेता और # AAPपार्टी की तरफ से इन घुसपैठियों के खिलाफ क्यों बयान नहीं आया >>> मोदी ने कई बार इस मुद्दे को उठाया, क्या केजरीवाल के मुख से कभी सुना !!!

6. बीजेपी common civil code लाना चाहती है, लेकिन कांग्रेस इसके खिलाफ है.. AAP इस पर चुप है.. मुस्लिम वोट के लिए ।

7. बीजेपी आतंकवाद को निपटने के लिए POTA का कानून बनाया, लेकिन कांग्रेस के 2004 में आते ही इसे हटवा दिया..
क्योंकि इससे मुस्लिम जिहाद नहीं कर पाते.. AAP भी इसपर चुप है.. इस
कानून के न होने के कारण है भारत में इतने इस्लामिक संगठन है जो ISI के काम कर रहे हैं.।

5. बीजेपी बाबा रामदेव का समर्थन करती है.. कांग्रेस और AAP पार्टी बाबा जी से दुरी बनाए हुए है।

8. बीजेपी " भारत माता की जय " का नारा लगाता है, कांग्रेस कभी नहीं लगाती.. आजकल AAP वाले भी भारत माता की फोटो का इस्तेमाल नहीं करते।

9. बीजेपी को मीडिया प्रमोट नहीं करता, लेकिन सभी इलेक्ट्रॉनिक मीडिया कांग्रेस और AAP के साथ है ।

10. भारत में आतंकवाद के खिलाफ आवाज सिर्फ बीजेपी की तरफ से आती है.. कांग्रेस और AAP वाले उस समय दुम दबाकर छुप जाते हैं, क्या केजरीवाल ने कभी दाउद, यासीन मालिक, भटकल, हाफिज सईद पर कोई बयान दिया ??

11. बीजेपी सरकार वाले राज्य, कांग्रेस सरकार वाले राज्यों से कई गुना ज्यादा अच्छा है ।

12. बीजेपी में एक ही परिवार सत्ता में नहीं है.. इसमें एक छोटा कार्यकर्ता भी अध्यक्ष बन सकता है.. लेकिन
कांग्रेस को सिर्फ एक ही परिवार 65 साल से चला रहा है... अब देश में आजादी के बाद 65 साल में अकेले कांग्रेस ने 55 साल शासन किया है,,और बीजेपी सिर्फ एक बार आई है ।

अब केजरीवाल कहता है.. कांग्रेस और बीजेपी, दोनों ने देश को लूटा है.. इससे साफ़ साबित होता है की AAP सिर्फ बीजेपी के वोट काटने के लिए ही बनाया गया है।

[rajpaldular]

जब देश में नरेंद्र मोदी जी जैसे विकासशील और लोकप्रिय नेता का उद्भव हुआ तो ऐसे समय में केजरीवाल को महिमामंडित कर जनता को दिग्भ्रमित करने का क्या मतलब निकाला जाय ? खासकर ऐसे समय में जब देश में कांग्रेस को साफ करने के लिए सभी एकजुट हो रहे है ...इसके पीछे कारण क्या है ?
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कांग्रेस जानती है की , जनता अब उसका अंतिम संस्कार करने की तैयारी कर चुकी है ..ऐसे में ''सेकुलर जमात '' में एक भय की स्थिति पैदा हो गई है ..ये सब इसलिए डर रहे है की , कांग्रेस के साथ साथ इनका भी सफाया होगा ..अब ये क्या करे ?
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कांग्रेस के पास इसके जबाब में एक उपाय है , जिसका वे अंग्रेज काल से ही उपयोग करते आ रहे है ..वह उपाय है ''फुट डालो और राज करो '' !
इसी उपाय का परिणाम है - अन्ना हजारे, केजरीवाल और आम आदमी पार्टी
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कांग्रेस के खिलाफ जनाक्रोश अब दो भागो में बंट जाएगा ..जैसा की दिल्ली में हुआ ..
यही कांगेस चाहती है लोकसभा चुनाव में भी ..अगर ये अपनी चाल में कदाचित सफल हुए तो भाजपा को बहुमत नही मिलेगा ..और तीसरे मोर्चे की सरकार बनेगी ...जिसमे कांग्रेस ही मुख्य पार्टी की भूमिका निभाएगी ,यानी फिर घुमा फिराके सत्ता कांग्रेस के हाथ में ही रहेगी ...कम से कम भाजपा का शासन तो नही होगा ...
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इसके लिए केजरीवाल को मोदी के मुकाबले तैयार किया जाए - ये कांग्रेस की मुख्य चाल है ! केजरीवाल भी ईमानदारी की खाल ओढ़कर घूम रहा है ...दिल्ली में सरकार न बनाने के पीछे यही उद्देश्य है की , वह जनता के बीच ईमानदार और हीरो बनकर उभरे ...और इससे जनता दिग्भ्रमित होकर दो भागो में बंट जायेगी ..भाजपा कमजोर होगी ..राष्ट्रवादी कमजोर होंगे ..और कांग्रेस '' फुट डालो और राज करो '' की नीति में सफल हो जाएगी !
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इस तरह ये केजरीवाल या अन्ना हजारे कांग्रेस द्वारा तैयार किये गए एक ''प्यादे '' मात्र है , ''कूटनीति के कांग्रेसी मोहरे'' है !!
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जो दिल्ली के चुनाव में हुआ , उससे अगर जनता ने सबक नही सिखा तो २०१४ के चुनाव में बहुत बड़ी लड़ाई हार जायेंगे !! ये ''माइंड गेम '' समझो और जनता तक इसे पहुँचाओ !!

[rajpaldular]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/s403x403/1499425_262405007242569_1436462938_n.jpg

[krishdel]

This is rubbish !!!! Had he been Congress agent, he would have formed the govt with Congress now !!!!

It is true that Kejriwal approached Sonia Gandhi to stop his transfer from Delhi. Usually every IRS are transferred on every 4 Year is routine. Without Approach It is not possible to stay in Delhi for long time. For this we can ask some Govt. working Civil Service Officer.

[sandeepkBaliyan]

My friend it is very easy to blame others. Let them come in Power first then they will do so many things. Go hatya is a big issue, i understand but there are issues which is more important then this.

These issues were not even in the manifesto of BJP in Delhi, on the other hand Uttar Pradesh is ruled by SP and it is banned there.


आम आदमी पार्टी के कार्यकर्ता कहते हैं की "कांग्रेस और बीजेपी एक समान है , दोनों ने देश को लूटा है।

ये Anti- BJP बनकर Pro- Congressi हैं.. आइये जानते हैं कैसे ??

1. बीजेपी गौ हत्या के खिलाफ है, कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन करती है.. जहाँ बीजेपी की सरकार है वहां गाय के क़त्लखाने पर पाबंदी है | कांग्रेस के राज्यों में गाय कत्लखाने पर सब्सिडी है,,
और इस मुद्दे पर आम आदमी पार्टी(AAP) चुप है ??

2. बीजेपी काश्मीर से धारा 370 हटवाना चाहती है,
लेकिन कांग्रेस इसे कायम रखना चाहती है.. और AAP इस मुद्दे पर चुप है (प्रशांत भूषण कश्मीर को भारत से अलग करने की और सेना को हटाने की मांग करता है)

3. बीजेपी FDI के खिलाफ थी, लेकिन कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन किया.. आम आदमी पार्टी इस पर चुप !!

4. बीजेपी में जो गलती करते हैं उनको तुरंत निष्काषित किया जाता है, कांग्रेस में ऐसा नहीं होता.. आम आदमी पार्टी में प्रशांत भूसन, शशि भूषण पर भ्रस्टाचार के आरोप हैं..
लेकिन फिर भी '' आप '' चुप है ?

5. बीजेपी 5 करोड़ बांग्लादेशी घुसपैठी के खिलाफ है..
कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन करती है, आजतक किसी भी congressi नेता और # AAPपार्टी की तरफ से इन घुसपैठियों के खिलाफ क्यों बयान नहीं आया >>> मोदी ने कई बार इस मुद्दे को उठाया, क्या केजरीवाल के मुख से कभी सुना !!!

6. बीजेपी common civil code लाना चाहती है, लेकिन कांग्रेस इसके खिलाफ है.. AAP इस पर चुप है.. मुस्लिम वोट के लिए ।

7. बीजेपी आतंकवाद को निपटने के लिए POTA का कानून बनाया, लेकिन कांग्रेस के 2004 में आते ही इसे हटवा दिया..
क्योंकि इससे मुस्लिम जिहाद नहीं कर पाते.. AAP भी इसपर चुप है.. इस
कानून के न होने के कारण है भारत में इतने इस्लामिक संगठन है जो ISI के काम कर रहे हैं.।

5. बीजेपी बाबा रामदेव का समर्थन करती है.. कांग्रेस और AAP पार्टी बाबा जी से दुरी बनाए हुए है।

8. बीजेपी " भारत माता की जय " का नारा लगाता है, कांग्रेस कभी नहीं लगाती.. आजकल AAP वाले भी भारत माता की फोटो का इस्तेमाल नहीं करते।

9. बीजेपी को मीडिया प्रमोट नहीं करता, लेकिन सभी इलेक्ट्रॉनिक मीडिया कांग्रेस और AAP के साथ है ।

10. भारत में आतंकवाद के खिलाफ आवाज सिर्फ बीजेपी की तरफ से आती है.. कांग्रेस और AAP वाले उस समय दुम दबाकर छुप जाते हैं, क्या केजरीवाल ने कभी दाउद, यासीन मालिक, भटकल, हाफिज सईद पर कोई बयान दिया ??

11. बीजेपी सरकार वाले राज्य, कांग्रेस सरकार वाले राज्यों से कई गुना ज्यादा अच्छा है ।

12. बीजेपी में एक ही परिवार सत्ता में नहीं है.. इसमें एक छोटा कार्यकर्ता भी अध्यक्ष बन सकता है.. लेकिन
कांग्रेस को सिर्फ एक ही परिवार 65 साल से चला रहा है... अब देश में आजादी के बाद 65 साल में अकेले कांग्रेस ने 55 साल शासन किया है,,और बीजेपी सिर्फ एक बार आई है ।

अब केजरीवाल कहता है.. कांग्रेस और बीजेपी, दोनों ने देश को लूटा है.. इससे साफ़ साबित होता है की AAP सिर्फ बीजेपी के वोट काटने के लिए ही बनाया गया है।

[krishdel]

Rajpal Ji I agree you fully on some points , we know Kejriwal since 1999 , We met at some meeting in Safdarjung Development Area, Some person started Desh Bhakt Trust that time and Kejriwal also attended the meeting, he left that trust because he could not work with team , he did not like to work as team member and he was having high aspirations and ambition to join politics since that time. He will never support the movement to stop Cow Slaughter, long time we discussed this issue with him , he answered that it is " Faltu Ki Baat" . If required the necessary person can go for lie detector test and let Arvind Kejriwal also be ready for it.



आम आदमी पार्टी के कार्यकर्ता कहते हैं की "कांग्रेस और बीजेपी एक समान है , दोनों ने देश को लूटा है।

ये Anti- BJP बनकर Pro- Congressi हैं.. आइये जानते हैं कैसे ??

1. बीजेपी गौ हत्या के खिलाफ है, कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन करती है.. जहाँ बीजेपी की सरकार है वहां गाय के क़त्लखाने पर पाबंदी है | कांग्रेस के राज्यों में गाय कत्लखाने पर सब्सिडी है,,
और इस मुद्दे पर आम आदमी पार्टी(AAP) चुप है ??

2. बीजेपी काश्मीर से धारा 370 हटवाना चाहती है,
लेकिन कांग्रेस इसे कायम रखना चाहती है.. और AAP इस मुद्दे पर चुप है (प्रशांत भूषण कश्मीर को भारत से अलग करने की और सेना को हटाने की मांग करता है)

3. बीजेपी FDI के खिलाफ थी, लेकिन कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन किया.. आम आदमी पार्टी इस पर चुप !!

4. बीजेपी में जो गलती करते हैं उनको तुरंत निष्काषित किया जाता है, कांग्रेस में ऐसा नहीं होता.. आम आदमी पार्टी में प्रशांत भूसन, शशि भूषण पर भ्रस्टाचार के आरोप हैं..
लेकिन फिर भी '' आप '' चुप है ?

5. बीजेपी 5 करोड़ बांग्लादेशी घुसपैठी के खिलाफ है..
कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन करती है, आजतक किसी भी congressi नेता और # AAPपार्टी की तरफ से इन घुसपैठियों के खिलाफ क्यों बयान नहीं आया >>> मोदी ने कई बार इस मुद्दे को उठाया, क्या केजरीवाल के मुख से कभी सुना !!!

6. बीजेपी common civil code लाना चाहती है, लेकिन कांग्रेस इसके खिलाफ है.. AAP इस पर चुप है.. मुस्लिम वोट के लिए ।

7. बीजेपी आतंकवाद को निपटने के लिए POTA का कानून बनाया, लेकिन कांग्रेस के 2004 में आते ही इसे हटवा दिया..
क्योंकि इससे मुस्लिम जिहाद नहीं कर पाते.. AAP भी इसपर चुप है.. इस
कानून के न होने के कारण है भारत में इतने इस्लामिक संगठन है जो ISI के काम कर रहे हैं.।

5. बीजेपी बाबा रामदेव का समर्थन करती है.. कांग्रेस और AAP पार्टी बाबा जी से दुरी बनाए हुए है।

8. बीजेपी " भारत माता की जय " का नारा लगाता है, कांग्रेस कभी नहीं लगाती.. आजकल AAP वाले भी भारत माता की फोटो का इस्तेमाल नहीं करते।

9. बीजेपी को मीडिया प्रमोट नहीं करता, लेकिन सभी इलेक्ट्रॉनिक मीडिया कांग्रेस और AAP के साथ है ।

10. भारत में आतंकवाद के खिलाफ आवाज सिर्फ बीजेपी की तरफ से आती है.. कांग्रेस और AAP वाले उस समय दुम दबाकर छुप जाते हैं, क्या केजरीवाल ने कभी दाउद, यासीन मालिक, भटकल, हाफिज सईद पर कोई बयान दिया ??

11. बीजेपी सरकार वाले राज्य, कांग्रेस सरकार वाले राज्यों से कई गुना ज्यादा अच्छा है ।

12. बीजेपी में एक ही परिवार सत्ता में नहीं है.. इसमें एक छोटा कार्यकर्ता भी अध्यक्ष बन सकता है.. लेकिन
कांग्रेस को सिर्फ एक ही परिवार 65 साल से चला रहा है... अब देश में आजादी के बाद 65 साल में अकेले कांग्रेस ने 55 साल शासन किया है,,और बीजेपी सिर्फ एक बार आई है ।

अब केजरीवाल कहता है.. कांग्रेस और बीजेपी, दोनों ने देश को लूटा है.. इससे साफ़ साबित होता है की AAP सिर्फ बीजेपी के वोट काटने के लिए ही बनाया गया है।

[krishdel]

This is the realty.
You will be surprised to know that he Hates Sir Chottu Ram. But now due to politics he will also start using Sir Chottu Ram name.
He opposed the "Jat reservation movement" it is 100 % true.


My friend it is very easy to blame others. Let them come in Power first then they will do so many things. Go hatya is a big issue, i understand but there are issues which is more important then this.

These issues were not even in the manifesto of BJP in Delhi, on the other hand Uttar Pradesh is ruled by SP and it is banned there.

[krishdel]

I know the second person in Photograph . He is Jitender Tomar ( Jhimmar Community) and contested from Tri Nagar on AAP ticket. He was with Congress before this. He was right hand of Congress man Dr. S C Vats. He is the most corrupt person.


कौन कर रहा है ये वादे पूरे : कैसे होंगे
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p280x280/1504138_550626385031382_1558938417_n.jpg

[krishdel]

He represents only the highly educated class only and it is not necessary the social wisdom can be good of highly educated person. Social wisdom of less educated person can be much more than a highly educated person.

Example in List of 18 Points he has not mentioned the critical need of Delhi Rural people

-- Removal of Dhara 81 from Delhi. All Delhi farmers are victim of this Section of Land Revenue Department. This was imposed by British and still continue. Even persons from Delhi Villlages approached Kejriwal before election.
Why Kejriwal forget to add this as point in letter he sent to Congress and BJP.
Kejriwal and his team does not know even the ABC of the issues faced by rural area .






They will not form the govt for obvious reasons, they are eyeing expansion of AAP to National level. They are betting on people who don't get tickets from the Congress or the BJP and have some base among the common people. They are playing safe and shrewd. We can't rule out Kejriwal eyeing the PM post, though far from reality(NAMO only :)) but seeing the scenario in Delhi anything can happen

[rohittewatia]

Bahut Nautanki macha rakhi h iss kejariwal ney. Jitni votes milni chahiye thi aik Nausikhiye ko ussey faltu hi dee hai Delhi ki junta ney. Abh Sarkar bna karr kuch accha kar sakta tha. Congress agar bhrashtachar karti toh junta key samne nirvastra kar sakta thaa. Per issey toh dusre men khot nikalna hai. Naa Nau mann tel houga, naa radha nacheygi. Isko sarkar naa khud banani thi aur naa dusre ki banne deni thi. Sirf aik adami ki soch sarvopari naheen houti. BJP aur congress ko kharabh dikhane sey kya samasya hal ho jayegi? Jabh mauka mila toh ussey ganva diya...Junta kya itani bevkoof hai joh bar bar isaki nautanki tolerate karreygi???

[rajpaldular]

इस्लामी आतंकवाद पर सवाल पूछते ही स्टूडियो छोड़कर भाग गए केजरीवाल !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbam0bT7Jas …

[rajpaldular]

लालू और अरविन्द केजरीवाल एक जैसे है. लालू ने भी अपनी राजनीति कांग्रेस के विरोध से शुरू कि थी, लेकिन बाद मे कांग्रेस के सबसे बड़े सहयोगी बने. ठीक उसी प्रकार अरविन्द केजरीवाल ने भी कांग्रेस के विरोध से अपनी राजनीति शरू की, लेकिन कालान्तर मे वे राहुल के सबसे बड़े सहयोगी बनेंगे. ये लोग सिर्फ तब तक ईमानदार बने रहते है जब तक इन्हें भ्रष्टाचार करने का मौक़ा नहीं मिलता.

[neetusheoran]

आम आदमी पार्टी के कार्यकर्ता कहते हैं की "कांग्रेस और बीजेपी एक समान है , दोनों ने देश को लूटा है।

ये Anti- BJP बनकर Pro- Congressi हैं.. आइये जानते हैं कैसे ??

1. बीजेपी गौ हत्या के खिलाफ है, कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन करती है.. जहाँ बीजेपी की सरकार है वहां गाय के क़त्लखाने पर पाबंदी है | कांग्रेस के राज्यों में गाय कत्लखाने पर सब्सिडी है,,
और इस मुद्दे पर आम आदमी पार्टी(AAP) चुप है ??

2. बीजेपी काश्मीर से धारा 370 हटवाना चाहती है,
लेकिन कांग्रेस इसे कायम रखना चाहती है.. और AAP इस मुद्दे पर चुप है (प्रशांत भूषण कश्मीर को भारत से अलग करने की और सेना को हटाने की मांग करता है)

3. बीजेपी FDI के खिलाफ थी, लेकिन कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन किया.. आम आदमी पार्टी इस पर चुप !!

4. बीजेपी में जो गलती करते हैं उनको तुरंत निष्काषित किया जाता है, कांग्रेस में ऐसा नहीं होता.. आम आदमी पार्टी में प्रशांत भूसन, शशि भूषण पर भ्रस्टाचार के आरोप हैं..
लेकिन फिर भी '' आप '' चुप है ?

5. बीजेपी 5 करोड़ बांग्लादेशी घुसपैठी के खिलाफ है..
कांग्रेस इसका समर्थन करती है, आजतक किसी भी congressi नेता और # AAPपार्टी की तरफ से इन घुसपैठियों के खिलाफ क्यों बयान नहीं आया >>> मोदी ने कई बार इस मुद्दे को उठाया, क्या केजरीवाल के मुख से कभी सुना !!!

6. बीजेपी common civil code लाना चाहती है, लेकिन कांग्रेस इसके खिलाफ है.. AAP इस पर चुप है.. मुस्लिम वोट के लिए ।

7. बीजेपी आतंकवाद को निपटने के लिए POTA का कानून बनाया, लेकिन कांग्रेस के 2004 में आते ही इसे हटवा दिया..
क्योंकि इससे मुस्लिम जिहाद नहीं कर पाते.. AAP भी इसपर चुप है.. इस
कानून के न होने के कारण है भारत में इतने इस्लामिक संगठन है जो ISI के काम कर रहे हैं.।

5. बीजेपी बाबा रामदेव का समर्थन करती है.. कांग्रेस और AAP पार्टी बाबा जी से दुरी बनाए हुए है।

8. बीजेपी " भारत माता की जय " का नारा लगाता है, कांग्रेस कभी नहीं लगाती.. आजकल AAP वाले भी भारत माता की फोटो का इस्तेमाल नहीं करते।

9. बीजेपी को मीडिया प्रमोट नहीं करता, लेकिन सभी इलेक्ट्रॉनिक मीडिया कांग्रेस और AAP के साथ है ।

10. भारत में आतंकवाद के खिलाफ आवाज सिर्फ बीजेपी की तरफ से आती है.. कांग्रेस और AAP वाले उस समय दुम दबाकर छुप जाते हैं, क्या केजरीवाल ने कभी दाउद, यासीन मालिक, भटकल, हाफिज सईद पर कोई बयान दिया ??

11. बीजेपी सरकार वाले राज्य, कांग्रेस सरकार वाले राज्यों से कई गुना ज्यादा अच्छा है ।

12. बीजेपी में एक ही परिवार सत्ता में नहीं है.. इसमें एक छोटा कार्यकर्ता भी अध्यक्ष बन सकता है.. लेकिन
कांग्रेस को सिर्फ एक ही परिवार 65 साल से चला रहा है... अब देश में आजादी के बाद 65 साल में अकेले कांग्रेस ने 55 साल शासन किया है,,और बीजेपी सिर्फ एक बार आई है ।

अब केजरीवाल कहता है.. कांग्रेस और बीजेपी, दोनों ने देश को लूटा है.. इससे साफ़ साबित होता है की AAP सिर्फ बीजेपी के वोट काटने के लिए ही बनाया गया है।

Issues such as cow slaughtering and terrorism must be on the top of any political parties menifesto. A country where once cow worshiping was a common practice is now providing subsidies to butcher who are killing speachless and pious animals. Just because of the policies framed to enrich votebank of the ruling parties by impressing minority. Its time to wake up now.

[desijat]

Let us stop, read and then comment.

There are few states that allow cow-slaughter:
1) Arunachal Pradesh, manipur, mizoram - traditional tribes have always eaten meat
2) Kerala - majority of Christian population
3) Assam - only fit for butchering, and again tribes rule this state
4) J&K - On voluntary basis, and muslims rule this state

In all of the other states Buffalo is slaughtered on the name of beef, and in a few states like Delhi(Congress), Daman, Goa(BJP, previously congress), Haryana(Congress), HP(Cong), Punjab and Rajasthan it is a non-bailable offence

To many of your surprise in Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat it is a Bailable offence and in UP, unbailable Looks like Akhilesh Yadav is more pro Hindu than Shivraj and Modi?



Issues such as cow slaughtering and terrorism must be on the top of any political parties menifesto. A country where once cow worshiping was a common practice is now providing subsidies to butcher who are killing speachless and pious animals. Just because of the policies framed to enrich votebank of the ruling parties by impressing minority. Its time to wake up now.

[pawandahiya]

Bahut umda research h "kejriwal and party" ki. Kahi Narender modi kejriwal ki party ka to nahi?

[rskankara]

केजरीवाल एंड पार्टी को जब सरकार बनाने का मौका मिला है तो सरकार बनाकर काम करके दिखाना चाहिए॥ जिसे देखकर लोकसभा चुनाव तक लोगों मे उनके बारे मे कोई धारणा बने सके ..... अब फिर जनता की राय माग रहा है, जनता ने तो 15 दिन पहले ही बोट दिये है....॥ क्या भविष्य मे एसएमएस, फोन, सोशल मीडिया (facebook, ....) से ही दिल्ली की सरकार चलेगी ? सरकार नही बनानी है तो सीधे एक स्टेंड लेना चाहिए.... अगर कुछ लोगों की राय हाँ और कुछ की ना रही तो? लगता है केजरीवाल सहाब अब कुछ कनफूजया से गए है |

[swaich]

Issues such as cow slaughtering and terrorism must be on the top of any political parties menifesto. A country where once cow worshiping was a common practice is now providing subsidies to butcher who are killing speachless and pious animals. Just because of the policies framed to enrich votebank of the ruling parties by impressing minority. Its time to wake up now.

Agree with terrorism, but cow slaughter? How about imprisoning the people who let out the cows on roads once they are done using them for milk? They are the bigger criminals who not only leave the animals to fend for themselves but also cause road accidents.

[rskankara]

अधिकतर लोग सरकार बनाने के पक्ष में ही अपनी राय जाहिर कर रहे हैं एकाध ऐसे भी हैं जिनका कहना है कि आप ने कांग्रेस और बीजेपी की करप्ट नीतियों को उखाड़ने के लिए चुनाव लड़ा और अब उसी के समर्थन से सरकार नहीं बनानी चाहिए।
http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/delhi/politics/aap-mlas-want-to-form-government/articleshow/27562519.cms

[rajpaldular]

आम आमदनी पार्टी के सभी कार्यकर्ताओ को सूचित किया जाता है कि आम आदमी का नया ड्रेस कोड निर्धारित किया गया है।
अब टोपी के साथ मफलर भी अनिवार्य होगा।

सर्दियो बाद ड्रेस कोड की पुनर्समीक्षा संभव।:):)

[anilsangwan]

Matlab kya? Koi beemaar hokar bhi is desh ke liye kuchh kar raha hai to uss mein bhi Problem..... ??


आम आमदनी पार्टी के सभी कार्यकर्ताओ को सूचित किया जाता है कि आम आदमी का नया ड्रेस कोड निर्धारित किया गया है।
अब टोपी के साथ मफलर भी अनिवार्य होगा।

सर्दियो बाद ड्रेस कोड की पुनर्समीक्षा संभव।:):)

[rajpaldular]

कोई यह बताने का कष्ट करेगा कि केजरीवाल "ईमानदार" किस एंगल से हैं?? हम तो वह देख ही नहीं पा रहे:-

१.क्या अन्ना को धोखा देने से केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

२. क्या सोनिए गांधी पर उंगली ना उठा कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

३. क्या बाबा रामदेव का आंदोलन हाईजैक करके ईमानदार हो गए?

४. क्या इनकम टैक्स की नौकरी छोड़ कर परन्तु बीवी को कमाने के लिए छोड़ कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

५. क्या सोशल मीडिया में गुंडे टाइप"पैड एजेंट" रख कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

६. क्या आंदोलन का पैसा हड़प कर के केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

७. क्या nri भारतीयो को उल्लू बना, अन्ना के नाम पर रकम जमा कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?
८. क्या आंदोलन का पैसा अपने ngo में ट्रान्सफर कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

९. क्या झूठे वादे कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

१० क्या दारू और पैसे के बूते चुनाव लड़ कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

११ क्या झूठे वादे करके केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए?

या फिर अगर कोई अगर "खुद" को ही ईमानदार घोषित कर क्लीन चिट दे दे तो ईमानदार हो जाता है?? बहुत हो चूका मीडिया वालो अब "आप" पार्टी का झूठा प्रचार करना बंद करो तुम्हारी मक्कारी सामने आ चुकी है...... जनता ने न्यूज़ चैनल पर
भरोसा करना कम किया है ऐसा ना हो कि लोग मीडिया वालो पर जनता पूरी तरह विश्वास करना छोड़ दे...."

[pawandahiya]

कोई यह बताने का कष्ट करेगा कि केजरीवाल "ईमानदार" किस एंगल से हैं?? हम तो वह देख ही नहीं पा रहे:-
१.क्या अन्ना को धोखा देने से केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? What sort of "dhokha" are you talking about? He stepped into the mud to clean the mud. Dhokha to Anna ne diya hai un laakho logo ko jo dilli me 15 din uske ansan me khade rahe the ek majboot lokpal ke liye.

२. क्या सोनिए गांधी पर उंगली ना उठा कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? Agar soniya par nahi uthata to "Modi" par kaha uthata hai? He always point towards parties.

३. क्या बाबा रामदेव का आंदोलन हाईजैक करके ईमानदार हो गए? Wohi andolan jisme wo "lugaayi" bankar bhaaga tha?

४. क्या इनकम टैक्स की नौकरी छोड़ कर परन्तु बीवी को कमाने के लिए छोड़ कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? Ghar ka ar balakaa ka khrach bhi likadna hoya kare manas ne.

५. क्या सोशल मीडिया में गुंडे टाइप"पैड एजेंट" रख कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? Sabhi parties ke paid agent hai. JL par BJP ke b agent hai aur congress ke bhi.

६. क्या आंदोलन का पैसा हड़प कर के केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? He is open for any audit. Prove it.

७. क्या nri भारतीयो को उल्लू बना, अन्ना के नाम पर रकम जमा कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? He always asks donations in name of his party and not for Anna.

८. क्या आंदोलन का पैसा अपने ngo में ट्रान्सफर कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? He is open for any audit. Prove it.

९. क्या झूठे वादे कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? Konse jhoothe vaade? BJP/Congress to fir harishchander ki aulad ho gayi.

१० क्या दारू और पैसे के बूते चुनाव लड़ कर केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? Hmm.. Ye nayi baat kahi aapne. Waise aapke BJP wale pakde the inhone daaru aur paise baant-te hue.
११ क्या झूठे वादे करके केजरीवाल ईमानदार हो गए? See Q9.
या फिर अगर कोई अगर "खुद" को ही ईमानदार घोषित कर क्लीन चिट दे दे तो ईमानदार हो जाता है?? बहुत हो चूका मीडिया वालो अब "आप" पार्टी का झूठा प्रचार करना बंद करो तुम्हारी मक्कारी सामने आ चुकी है...... जनता ने न्यूज़ चैनल पर
भरोसा करना कम किया है ऐसा ना हो कि लोग मीडिया वालो पर जनता पूरी तरह विश्वास करना छोड़ दे...."


Media is always biased. Kal ko BJP ki sarkar aa gyi to ye BJP ke gungan karne lagenge, jaise ab ye ek 44 saal ke navyuvak aur vilakshan budhi ke swami " Mr Pappu" ke gaate firte hai.
Ek insaan ne ZERO se start karke, BJP aur Congress dono ki dhajjiya uda di. Khaaj to honi hi thi inke, isliye ab uske bare me anaap-shnaap bak rahe hai.

[rajpaldular]

अब भाजपा ने "आप" पर दागे 14 सवाल..'आप'का झूठ भी सामने

भाजपा ने आम आदमी पार्टी आप की सवालों की नौटंकी पर हमला करते हुए कहा कि वह सरकार बनाने के लिए जनता से राय पूछने का नाटक कर रही है। जनता के सामने आप की सच्चाई लाना जरूरी है और इसके लिए बीजेपी ने 'नौटंकीबाजों' से 14 सवाल भी पूछे हैं। हर्षवर्धन ने आप के झूठ की पोल खोलते हुए कहा कि जन भाजपा ने कोई समर्थन ही नहीं दिया है तो चिट्टी में समर्थन की झूठी बात ही क्यों लिखी गयी है ? जो पार्टी विपक्ष में बैठने का निर्णय ले चुका है उसे चिट्ठी किस साजिश के तहत भेजी गयी है भाजपा को यह भी अपत्ति है.

बीजेपी विधायक दल के नेता हर्षवर्धन ने कहा कि आप जनता को गुमराह करने के लिए हर हथकंड़ा अपना रही है। सरकार बनाने के लिए वह जनता से राय जानने का नाटक कर रही है। उसके द्वारा जो मुद्दे उठाए गए हैं, उनमें से अधिकतर तो ऎसे हैं जिसे वह सरकार बनाकर कैबिनेट की बैठक में मंजूरी ले सकते हैं।

हर्षवर्धन ने कहा कि भाजपा पहले से ही कह रही है कि आप की कांग्रेस से गुप्त सांठगांठ है। आप ने विधानसभा चुनाव में कांग्रेस की सहयोगी टीम के रूप में कार्य किया। कांग्रेस को इस बात का आभास हो चुका था कि महंगाई और भ्रष्टाचार की वजह से उसका इस बार दिल्ली से सूपड़ा साफ हो जाएगा। इसलिए उसने आप के साथ गुप्त सांठगांठ की।

आप पर हमला करते हुए डा. हर्षवर्धन ने कहा कि पहले वह कहती रही है कि कांग्रेस और भाजपा किसी का सहयोग नहीं लेगी। बाद में कांग्रेस के इशारे पर आप ने अपना एजेंडा बदला और अब कह रहे हैं कि जनता की राय जानने के बाद सरकार बनाने या नहीं बनाने के बारे में फैसला लेंगे। दूसरी तरफ यह भी कह रही है कि कांग्रेस पार्टी की नीति सरकार बनवाकर सरकार गिराना रही है और आप की सरकार भी बनवाने के बाद गिरा देगी।

आप से पूछे गए सवालों में डा. हर्षवर्धन ने कहा है कि पार्टी को जनता को यह बताना चाहिए कि वह सरकार बनाएगी या नहीं। आप क्या कांग्रेस के आठ विधायकों के सहयोग से सरकार बनाएगी। यदि उसे सरकार नहीं बनानी है तो वह उपराज्यपाल को कितने दिन में स्पष्ट जवाब देगी। सरकार नहीं बनने की स्थिति में दिल्ली का विकास बाधित हो रहा है। इसके लिए क्या आप दोषी नहीं है। क्या आप और कांग्रेस के बीच नूरा कुश्ती नहीं हो रही।

अरविंद केजरीवाल और कांग्रेस अध्यक्ष सोनिया गांधी दिल्ली की जनता को बताएं कि आप को सहयोग देने की एवज में अंदरखाते दोनों पार्टियों के बीच क्या डील हुई है। भाजपा ने 32 सीट जीतने के बाद उपराज्यपाल को अवगत करा दिया कि जनता ने विपक्ष में बैठने का जनादेश दिया है। इसके बावजूद भाजपा को बदनाम करने के लिए आप ने चिट्टी लिखी जबकि पार्टी ने अपना रूख पहले दिन से ही स्पष्ट कर दिया था।

आप ने देश के खिलाफ साजिश करने वाले आतंकवादियों तौकीर आदि का खुलकर समर्थन किया है। पार्टी के कई नेताओं पर अदालतों में मुकदमें चले हैं और कई लंबित हैं। कुछ मामलों में तो आप नेताओं ने अदालत से माफी मांगी है। क्या अन्ना के आंदोलन का लाभ उठाकर आप का गठन नहीं हुआ और अब वह पार्टी अन्ना के खिलाफ अमर्यादित भाषा का प्रयोग नहीं कर रही।

अन्ना ने राजनीतिक पार्टी नहीं बनाने की सलाह केजरीवाल को दी थी। क्या आप पार्टी के संयोजक केजरीवाल तथा अन्य लोग अपनेपत्राचारों तथा सार्वजनिक बयानों में घोर आपत्तिजनक अमर्यादित भाषा का प्रयोग नहीं करते हैं। आप लगातार कहती रही है कि वह जनता के चंदे से चुनाव लडेगी। अब केजरीवाल देश के सभी बड़े व्यापारिक तथा औद्योगिक घरानों से अपील कर रहे हैं कि वे उन्हें खुलकर चंदा दें। क्या सिर्फ चंदा वसूलना तथा कुर्सी हासिल करके मौज करना ही आप का उद्देश्य रह गया है।
http://www.sumanasa.com/go/jNb85

[vicky84]

Media is always biased. Kal ko BJP ki sarkar aa gyi to ye BJP ke gungan karne lagenge, jaise ab ye ek 44 saal ke navyuvak aur vilakshan budhi ke swami " Mr Pappu" ke gaate firte hai.
Ek insaan ne ZERO se start karke, BJP aur Congress dono ki dhajjiya uda di. Khaaj to honi hi thi inke, isliye ab uske bare me anaap-shnaap bak rahe hai.
Well said Pawan!! Rajpal ji koni mane baaki. BJP ke gungaan to aise hi gaaye jayenge!!

[rajpaldular]

याद रखिये आज भारत को एक ऐसा नेता की जरूरत है जिसकी दहाड़ सुन के दुश्मन की सू-सू निकल जाय !!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/1471895_602039329851854_51864280_n.jpg

[rajpaldular]

एक बालक जिद पर अड़ गया .... बोला की छिपकली खाऊंगा.
घरवालों ने बहुत समझाया पर नहीं माना।

हार कर उसके गुरु जी को बुलाया गया। वे जिद तुड़वाने में महारथी थे.
गुरु के आदेश पर एक छिपकली पकड़वाई गई. उसे प्लेट में परोस बालक के सामने रख गुरु बोले, ले खा... बालक मचल गया.
बोला, तली हुई खाऊंगा.
गुरु ने छिपकली तलवाई और दहाड़े, ले अब चुपचाप खा. बालक फिर गुलाटी मार गया और बोला, आधी खाऊंगा.
छिपकली के दो टुकड़े किये गये. बालक गुरु से बोला, पहले आप खाओ. गुरु ने आंख नाक और भी ना जाने क्या क्या भींच किसी तरह आधी छिपकली निगली... गुरु के छिपकली निगलते ही बालक दहाड़ मार कर रोने लगा की आप तो वो टुकड़ा खा गये जो मैंने खाना था. गुरु ने धोती सम्भाली और वहां से भाग निकले की अब जरा भी यहां रुका तो ये दुष्ट दूसरा टुकड़ा भी खिला कर मानेगा...

करना-धरना कुछ नहीं,नौटंकी दुनिया भर की....

मुझे अरविन्द केजरीवाल की याद आ गयी.

[rajpaldular]

अरे दिल्ली वालो ये क्या कर दिया--बंधुओ--देश के खिलाफ मत से कर ...
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आप के एक और सर्टिफाइड ईमानदार बिल्डर माफिया विधायक विनोद कुमार बिन्नी जो एक दशक से भी अधिक समय से कांग्रेस में अपना भविष्य तलाश रहा थे जिनके राहुल सोनिया की चापलूसी टपकाते पोस्टरों से इलाके की दीवारें भरी रहती थी, ने सहारा समय पर बहस के दौरान कश्मीर को जनमत संगृह करवाकर पाकिस्तान को देने का पुरजोर समर्थन किया। इस पर बीजेपी के प्रवक्ता राष्ट्रविरोधी बहस का बहिष्कार करते हुए वहाँ से चले गए। स्पष्ट दिख रहा है कि खुजलीवाल गैंग को एक निहायत ही ‎स्वार्थी‬ लोगों का जबर्दस्त समर्थन मिल रहा है जो नैतिकताओं के बंधन को गुलामी समझते हैं, असली गुलामी को नियति मानते हैं और आजादी के नाम पर नैतिकता को ख़त्म करने पर तुले हैं।:mad:

[rajpaldular]

बीजेपी और आप को समर्थन करने
वाले युवाओ में एक बड़ा अंतर
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आप को समर्थन करने वाले युवाओ को एक ऐसी पार्टी को समर्थन देने में कोई आपत्ति नहीं है जो खुलकर कहती है कि कश्मीर
को भारत से अलग कर देना चाहिए क्योकि उनकी पार्टी उन्हें सस्ता बिजली पानी देने का वायदा कर रही है. इन युवाओ को केवल अपने लिए जीना आता है भले ही देश के टुकड़े क्यों न हो जाये।

दूसरी तरफ बीजेपी (namo) को समर्थन करने वाले कहते है कि हमें सस्ता बिजली पानी नहीं चाह अगर इसके लिए हमें अपने देश के टुकड़े करने पड़े तो। हमें सस्ता बिजली पानी के साथ साथ अपनी भारत माता का स्वाभिमान भी चाहिए।

[rajpaldular]

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[Prikshit]

बीजेपी और आप को समर्थन करने
वाले युवाओ में एक बड़ा अंतर
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आप को समर्थन करने वाले युवाओ को एक ऐसी पार्टी को समर्थन देने में कोई आपत्ति नहीं है जो खुलकर कहती है कि कश्मीर
को भारत से अलग कर देना चाहिए क्योकि उनकी पार्टी उन्हें सस्ता बिजली पानी देने का वायदा कर रही है. इन युवाओ को केवल अपने लिए जीना आता है भले ही देश के टुकड़े क्यों न हो जाये।

दूसरी तरफ बीजेपी (namo) को समर्थन करने वाले कहते है कि हमें सस्ता बिजली पानी नहीं चाह अगर इसके लिए हमें अपने देश के टुकड़े करने पड़े तो। हमें सस्ता बिजली पानी के साथ साथ अपनी भारत माता का स्वाभिमान भी चाहिए।


Janta samajdar hai, national level pe voting alad mindset se hoti hai. Baaki coming 6 months will be crucial, if AAP performs to undoubtedly they will make in difference in 2014.

[anilsangwan]

Aapka ye Prachaar BJP ko theek waise hi le doobega jaise kuchh JL dosto ne Congress ki haalat karwaa dee !!! Woh log ab chup se ho gaye hain Rajpal ji !! Hum bhi chahte hain ki Modi PM bane lekin aap ki tarah ulta seedha illogical propeganda galat hai !!!!


बीजेपी और आप को समर्थन करने
वाले युवाओ में एक बड़ा अंतर
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आप को समर्थन करने वाले युवाओ को एक ऐसी पार्टी को समर्थन देने में कोई आपत्ति नहीं है जो खुलकर कहती है कि कश्मीर
को भारत से अलग कर देना चाहिए क्योकि उनकी पार्टी उन्हें सस्ता बिजली पानी देने का वायदा कर रही है. इन युवाओ को केवल अपने लिए जीना आता है भले ही देश के टुकड़े क्यों न हो जाये।

दूसरी तरफ बीजेपी (namo) को समर्थन करने वाले कहते है कि हमें सस्ता बिजली पानी नहीं चाह अगर इसके लिए हमें अपने देश के टुकड़े करने पड़े तो। हमें सस्ता बिजली पानी के साथ साथ अपनी भारत माता का स्वाभिमान भी चाहिए।

[rkumar]

Janta samajdar hai, national level pe voting alad mindset se hoti hai. Baaki coming 6 months will be crucial, if AAP performs to undoubtedly they will make in difference in 2014.

AAP has already shaken the way of Indian politics. My full support for AAP if they can change this lal batti and car brigade culture of not only politicians but their chamchas also. I know how in the name of personal security the police constables are provided to even village numberdars and friends and distant relatives of politicians. Lesser we talk of corruption better it is. Main stream parties are lost and confused in their reaction to what all AAP has created for them. I pray that AAP succeeds.

RK^2

[vikda]

Illogical Copy Paste ki dukaan hai inke dhore, aandhe jhote ki dhaala bhaaj le hain seeng pina ke.....


Aapka ye Prachaar BJP ko theek waise hi le doobega jaise kuchh JL dosto ne Congress ki haalat karwaa dee !!! Woh log ab chup se ho gaye hain Rajpal ji !! Hum bhi chahte hain ki Modi PM bane lekin aap ki tarah ulta seedha illogical propeganda galat hai !!!!