Untold Story of Ch. Ranbir Singh

[HawaSinghSangwan]

Untold Story of Ch. Ranbir Singh
-Hawa Singh Sangwan, Ex. Commandant. Mob. No. 94160-56145

Late Ch. Chhotu Ram had to quit the Congress Party after the differences erupted with Gandhi Ji on Non Co-operation Movement during 1920. In 1923 Ch. Chhotu Ram had formed Unionist Party known as Jamindara Party also, after the collaboration with Fazle-A- Hussan with the sole aim of welfare of peasantary class, labour class and the rural based people as a whole, to keep them out of the exploitation by the middlemen and usury in Joint Punjab. Within short span of time, the Unionist Party had grabed the power in Joint Punjab during 1926 and continued in majority till the sudden demise of Ch. Chhotu Ram on 9th January, 1945. Before the demise of Ch. Chhotu Ram, a very big rally was organized on 8th May, 1944 at Miyawali now in Pakistan to challenge the plan of Mr. Jinnha for the formation of Pakistan in Punjab, because all the 81 Muslim MLAs were in the Unionist Party. Two MLAs of Muslim League, who were elected in the last election had also sidelined with the Unionist Party hence the creation of Pakistan was only a dream for Mr. Jinnha but after the sudden demise of Ch. Chhotu Ram, circumstances had taken a very dramatic and ugly turn that all the Muslim MLAs had joined Muslim League within six months, a party of Mr. Jinnha, who was on rampage to form Pakistan in Punjab. Now the dream of Mr. Jinnha had became reality on the existence of Pakistan on 14th August, 1947, resulting into the partition of India. The ideology of the Unionist was shattered and none of the partyman was left to carry forward the legacy of Late Ch. Chhotu Ram in free India.
On 14th July, 1947, a Constituent Assembly of India was formed consisting 389 members to draft the Indian Constitution, out of which Ch. Ranbir Singh was lone staunch Haryanvi member at the young age of 32 years. To draft the Indian Constitution, the Assembly so constituted had taken 165 days in sitting, covering into 11 sessions and 114 days were spent on the consideration the Draft of the Constitution. The first Draft of the Constitution which was circulated to seek the public response, did not refer to village or peasant or Panchayat at all. The work was assigned to a Drafting Committee consisting of seven members. Dr. B.R. Ambedkar was its Chairman. Coincidently, none of the seven members of the Committee was a villager or a peasant. Whereas, the village, the peasant and values which had got evoled during hard, long struggle for freedom were conspicuously absent in the drafts.
On 6th Nov. 1948, the Constituent Assembly of India had met in the Constitutional Hall at 10 A.M. on Saturday being Vice- President Dr. H. C. Mukharjee in the Chair. All the senior members such as Pt. Nehru, Sardar Patel, Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, J.B, Kriplani, C. Rajgopalacharya, Sarojini Naidu, Dr. Rajender Prasad, Sharat Chander Bose, Babu Jagjiwan Ram etc. were sitting in the front row. One of the youngest member of the assembly, Ch. Ranbir Singh sitting in the next row was pretty nervous in the beginning with sort of mixed feeling high and low. His heart and mind was rolling somewhere in a village, a mean peasant’s life, witnessing KURKI(mortgage) of the land etc. of a poor farmer.
One member, Babu Thakur Dass Ji was advocating the urbanization in his speech. As soon as his speech was over, the young Ch. Ranbir Singh after due permission of the Chair had started delivering his speech with his full confidence and calibre that the constitution is incomplete without incorporation of village, peasant and Panchayat. While eloberating his speech, he had given emphasis on upliftment of village and peasant’s life with giving proper price of his product, strengthing the national co-operative organization of the agricultural products, ensuing (Bima) of his crops and abolishing usury. On 18th Nov. 1948, he was the first leader, who had demanded for separate state of Haryana, in the Constituent Assembly, having old Delhi as its capital. Later on, after 16 years, his demand had became voice of Akalis, Swami Omanand, Ch. Devi Lal and Prof. Sher Singh etc. He had also demanded to divide U.P. into two states to cease its border upto Yamuna river in the West. Now we can easily imagine his vision and wisdom.
He was first leader of India, who have pleaded for making retaintion of the Land Alienation Act on 2nd December, 1948 in the Constituent Assembly. When his demand for Haryana State was not accepted, on Ist August, 1949 he had pleaded for inclusion of rural Delhi and New Delhi in Punjab state. Moreover, he had demanded for special economical concession for Punjab state for 10 years due to its suffering in the partition. On 19th August, 1949, he had bluntly pleaded to exempt the peasant’s class and Harijan from all forms of the taxes. Ch. Ranbir Singh was the first leader in Free India who had demanded the reservation for the villagers as a whole. Dr. B.R. Ambedkar was the first leader who had demanded the reservation for the depressed class. While speaking on Public Service Commission and New Employment Policy, Ch. Ranbir Singh had clearly addressed the Constituent Assembly on 22nd August, 1949 “martial races belong to to the countryside(rural) these people still join the Army as soldiers but the military officers are mostly urban people. Thus the need of our is that the backward people of the villages should be helped to advance forward for which reservation is necessary.” On 24 Nov. 1949, he was the first leader in India who had demanded for the abolition of Jagirdari system in free India and also demanded for an early completion of Bhakra Dam works projecting this as a life line for Punjab state. While speaking on Railway Budget 1948, he had demanded for smooth transportation of agricultural products by the Railways, for which he had quoted an example “Chana is being sold at @ Rs. 5 maund in Hisar region, whereas the same is being sold @ Rs. 50 per maund in Madras region causing loss to the farmers and consumers both, due to shortage of Railway wagons. Similarly, he had given examples of Gur and other agricultural products also.
It is most pertinent to note that Ch. Ranbir Singh had given new definition to “General Public Interest,” while speaking about land holdings on 2nd Dec. 1948 “it can mean only the interests of the peasantry and labours not only the interest of the vocal middle class intelligentia and vested people” it clearly shows his pain for the poor classes whom he had loved and having great affection from the core of his heart.
His speeches can be divided into two parts i.e first which made in the Constituent Assembly for the purpose of making of the Constitution and second for the legislating. During this period of two and half years, he had voiced on various important matters as follow in addition to the above. The subjects were – Problem of ‘pest’ control, Uniformity of Land Revenue, Problems of Agriculturists and Peasantry, Cotton Textile Cess Bill 1948, Railway Budget 1948, General Budget 1948, Electricity Bill 1948, Reserve Bank Bill 1948, Grow More Food Compaign, Hindu Marriage Validity Bill 1949, General Budget 1949, Indian Finance Bill 1949, Child Marriage Rastraint Bill 1949 and Essential Supplies Bill 1949 etc.etc. He had judiciously picked up all the clauses of the bills related to the farmers and villagers very intelligently and the concerned Ministers thereto had to give reply during the debates in length. It is very momentous to note that he was the first leader who had established “All India Backward Sangh” in 1960 and once the then Vice President of India, Sh. Radha Krishan had also presided over one of its function.
Ch. Ranbir Singh was a very good orator who had performed his duties as a member of the Constituent Assembly, with his high esteem, zeal and zenith, for which he fully deserved all praises, appreciation and due admiration. But it is still common belief among the Haryanvi that late Ch. Ranbir Singh was a mute member of the Constituent Assembly, because of his works were not timely publicized due to obvious reasons that is why this article is given name as an “Untold Story”. I hope this article both in English and Hindi is likely to help in awareness about the excellent job done by our respected leader and the departed soul. Ch. Ranbir Singh was only leader being a Congressman who had carried forward the legacy as well as ideology of late Ch. Chhotu Ram immediately after India got the freedom in 1947, through his eloquency and action.
Late Ch. Ranbir Singh was the first Indian leader who had been a member of seven different Houses at different times. He was due to be elected as CM of Haryana in 1968 but the then Senior Congress Leader Sh. Guljari Lal Nanda had proposed the name of Ch. Bansi Lal for the post of CM of Haryana and subsequently Ch. Bansi Lal was elected as a CM of Haryana and proved himself as a Hard Task Master known as Builder of Haryana, who had also advocated for separate state of Haryana in the Parliament on 18th Sept. 1966. Ch. Bhupender Singh Hooda son of Late Ranbir Singh is now Chief Minister of Haryana since about eight years but he has yet not done enough for publicizing the great achievements and excellent works done by his father from 1947 to 1960. However a Chair has since been founded in the name of Late Ch. Ranbir Singh in the MDU, Rohtak for research works headed by Sh. K.C. Yadav a reknowned historian, is a matter of satisfaction.
(Extracts from the speeches of Ch. Ranbir Singh in the Constituent Assembly of India and RTI.)

Note : It is our moral duty to project the good deeds of our departed leaders irrespective of religion, region, sect and political lien, without any prejudice and prediction.

[ravinderjeet]

चौध्ररी हवा सिंह सांग्वान जी ,चौ रणबीर सिंह हुद्दा जी ,बहुत सि बातों में अग्रणी थे (आप के लेख के अनुसार ) पर उनकी कोई भी बात सुनी नही गई ,क्यों ??
1) क्या उनका कोई जनाधार नही था ?
2) क्या उनके आँकड़े सही नही थे ?
3) क्या उनकी प्रस्तुति सही नही थी ?
4) जब उनके समाज कि कोई भी बात नही मानी गई ,तो उन्होंने कोई भी जनांदोलन क्यों नही किया ?
5) जो चौ रणबीर सिंह बाद में चौ छोटूराम जी के विचारों को संसद में आगे बढ़ाने क्ा दावा कर रहे थे उन्होंने जब चौ छोटूराम जी ने जमेंदरा पार्टी बनाई तो कांग्रेस्स छोड़ कर उनके साथ क्यों नही गए ?
(विशेष ----- उस्स समय अधिकतर कांग्रेस्सि चौ छोटूराम जी के विरोधी थे )

[RavinderSura]

रविन्द्र्जीत जी आपको इतना ज्ञान दे दिया , अब एक आधा काम आप भी कर लो :)

[sunnytewatia]

mister 'sura' this is really stupid of you. either my way or highway. if u or anyone else uses this platform for 'glorification' then pepple have right to ask relevant questions.


रविन्द्र्जीत जी आपको इतना ज्ञान दे दिया , अब एक आधा काम आप भी कर लो :)

[sanjeev1984]

ye pehli bar nahi hua hai bhai... yahan 2-4 bhai aise hi baat likh dete hain... taliban style main... aap sawal nahi kar sakte... agar karoge to aap anti-jat ho...


mister 'sura' this is really stupid of you. either my way or highway. if u or anyone else uses this platform for 'glorification' then pepple have right to ask relevant questions.

[ravinderjeet]

रविन्द्र्जीत जी आपको इतना ज्ञान दे दिया , अब एक आधा काम आप भी कर लो :)

रविंद्र सुरा भाई ,ले एक आधी रोशनी मन्ने भी बगाई :
चौधरी रणबियर सिंह हुद्दा जी वेसे तो वे एक अछे नेक इनसान थे | पर उनोह्ने राजनीति कभी नही कि ,क्योंकि वे राजनेता या कहें कि वे जन नेता थे ही नही | वे एक स्वतंत्रता सेनानी थे और एक दो बार असहयोग आंदोलन में जेल जां कर आए थे | उनके पास समाज केलिए देने केवास्ते कोई क्रांतिकारी नजरिया नही था | अयार ना ही वो कोई अछे प्रवक्ता थे | चौधरी सब कांग्रेस्स के कुछ नेताओं के क़रीब थे ,और कांग्रेस्स में करीबी कैसे मनि जाती हे ये सब को पता हे | सिधांत विहीन व्यक्ति ही हमेशा कांग्रेस्स के साथ जुड़े रहे जिनको केवल अपना स्वार्थ साधना होता था | उस्स रुप में चौधरी साब एक स्वार्थी व्यक्ति थे | संविधान बनाने वाली कमेटी में कितने आदमी थे ? उनमें से एक ये भी थे ,जिनकी कोई बात नही सुनी गई | तो फिर ये किस्स वास्ते कमेटी में थे ? ये अपने दम पर अम.अल.अ का टिकट भी नही ले सकते थे | वो तो इनके गुरु थे जिनोह्ने अपना अम.अल.अ का टिकट ख़ुद कह कर इनको दिलवा दिया |दूसरी बात मंत्री कभी योग्ग्य्ता के आधार पर नही बनाए जाते हैं | किसी क्षेत्र या समाज को प्र्तिनिधितव देने के लिए बनाए जाते हैं | अगर ये जन नेता होते तो अधिकत्र समय किसी छोटे-मोटे प्रांत के गवर्नर बन कर नही निकलते | यु.पि.में जो इनकी जमीन हे वो इन्होंने कैसे हासिल कि? इंकोकेवल 20 किल्ले का मुर्बा मिला था ,वो 60 किल्ले कैसे हो गाया ? कुल मिला कर उनोह्ने अपने सिवाय कभी किसी और के लिए कम नही किया | इअ लिए वो ना तो लीडर कि श्रेणी मेे अते हैं ,और ना ही सामाजिक कार्यकर्ता कि श्रेणी में | वो ही बात भूपेन्द्र सिंह पर भी लागू होती हे | वो सारी उमर तो मेडिकल मोड़ पर पावर हाउस के सामे चाय के धाब्बे पे श्र्नार्थिओन के साथ चाय पी-पी कर बेंच तोड़ते रहे और सोनिआ कि चम्चागिरि कर के नेता बन गए | वास्तव में भुपिंद्र केवल रोहतक शहर के भाप्पे- बनीयोँ-शर्नार्थिओन के नेता बने हुए हैं कल इनका लड़का भी इनके उप्पर एक किताब छापेगा और इनको एक महान जन नेता ,दूरदर्शी ,क्रांतिकारी और समाज सेवक बतायेगा | में चौं.रणबीर सिंह का विरोधी नही हूँ | पर उनके खाम्खा के महिमा मंडन का विरोध जरूर करूँगा | ----सद् भवनों सहित |

[malikdeepak1]

| ? ये अपने दम पर अम.अल.अ का टिकट भी नही ले सकते थे | |

Saanghi inka khud kaa gaon hai.. nyu kahya karte ak yu Saanghi me Sarpanchi ka chunaav bhi nahi jeet sakta..

[jaisingh318]

haa hhaaa..............itni badai too bagri arr doomm karya kare..........:stupid:

[rinkusheoran]

I have my reservation on ch Ranbir Singh Hooda but all the details above are from RTI that one can check by themselves

[rinkusheoran]

haa hhaaa..............itni badai too bagri arr doomm karya kare..........:stupid:

Tain khamaka ka matha kyun maare kare? kimme tarak aali baat bhi kar lia kadde ki sairf bolan to matlab sai? tere kisse bagri nai lagi kasuti aangli kari sai jo bagriyan n itna yaad kar ja sai:applause:

[rinkusheoran]

Saanghi inka khud kaa gaon hai.. nyu kahya karte ak yu Saanghi me Sarpanchi ka chunaav bhi nahi jeet sakta..

bhai ye baat to sabhi MLA/MP k liye kahi jati lekin sawal ye hai jab CM and MLA ban gaye to sarpanchi ladna kyun hai? Humare gaon k pass gagarwas hai jahan Bansilal ki chhori byah rakhi sai, dharamvir talu aala byah rakhaya sai. Ussi gaon se Sombir and Bahadur singh dono MLa ban chuke lekin guarantee de sakta hun ki agar sarpanchi ladegney to pakka haar jayengey :)

[rinkusheoran]

ye pehli bar nahi hua hai bhai... yahan 2-4 bhai aise hi baat likh dete hain... taliban style main... aap sawal nahi kar sakte... agar karoge to aap anti-jat ho...

Sanjeev Bhai, can i ask you something frankly? Is this your frustration or you speaking ? It is all about sharing your thoughts here and no one is stopping anyone. WE all have seen the things you or many have said to each other on this site then why you are cribbing now when you getting taste of your own medicine?

[desijat]

ye pehli bar nahi hua hai bhai... yahan 2-4 bhai aise hi baat likh dete hain... taliban style main... aap sawal nahi kar sakte... agar karoge to aap anti-jat ho...

;) ;) jukar tu sabne congressi/chamcha ar bera na ke ke batave hai jo modi/BJP kmain kami khaad de ;) ;)

[desijat]

चौधरी सब कांग्रेस्स के कुछ नेताओं के क़रीब थे ,और कांग्रेस्स में करीबी कैसे मनि जाती हे ये सब को पता हे | सिधांत विहीन व्यक्ति ही हमेशा कांग्रेस्स के साथ जुड़े रहे जिनको केवल अपना स्वार्थ साधना होता था | उस्स रुप में चौधरी साब एक स्वार्थी व्यक्ति थे----सद् भवनों सहित |

भाई साब बढ़िया कड़िया पिरो दी आप ने तो इस देश के आधे से ज़्यादा लोगो का चित्रा वर्णन करने की, ये तो वोही बात हो गई जो संजीव कह रहा है, या तो कॉंग्रेस के खिलाफ रहो या फिर स्वार्थी का ठप्पा लगवा लो स्वयंभू सामाजिक ठेकेदारो से

[malikdeepak1]

bhai ye baat to sabhi MLA/MP k liye kahi jati lekin sawal ye hai jab CM and MLA ban gaye to sarpanchi ladna kyun hai? Humare gaon k pass gagarwas hai jahan Bansilal ki chhori byah rakhi sai, dharamvir talu aala byah rakhaya sai. Ussi gaon se Sombir and Bahadur singh dono MLa ban chuke lekin guarantee de sakta hun ki agar sarpanchi ladegney to pakka haar jayengey :)


Bhai rinku, you missed the point. They won not because of their deeds. Why their own village cant stand for them? Saanghi gaon Chautala ka supporter hai. So they couldn't win from their own village. That means they dont have a base even in their paternal lineage. Ever pondered why Bhuppi stands from Kiloi only?

Ch Ranbir Singh has been hyped for no big reason. He never did anything substantial for the community. Thats why people in his own village vote against him/his son.

[RavinderSura]

haa hhaaa..............itni badai too bagri arr doomm karya kare..........:stupid:
बागड़िया का जलवा ए ईसा हो स .....देख ले इब तेरी कुनसी पीढ़ी चालरी स बागड़िया की पिंडी बोचते ;)

[RavinderSura]

रविंद्र सुरा भाई ,ले एक आधी रोशनी मन्ने भी बगाई :
चौधरी रणबियर सिंह हुद्दा जी वेसे तो वे एक अछे नेक इनसान थे | पर उनोह्ने राजनीति कभी नही कि ,क्योंकि वे राजनेता या कहें कि वे जन नेता थे ही नही | वे एक स्वतंत्रता सेनानी थे और एक दो बार असहयोग आंदोलन में जेल जां कर आए थे | उनके पास समाज केलिए देने केवास्ते कोई क्रांतिकारी नजरिया नही था | अयार ना ही वो कोई अछे प्रवक्ता थे | चौधरी सब कांग्रेस्स के कुछ नेताओं के क़रीब थे ,और कांग्रेस्स में करीबी कैसे मनि जाती हे ये सब को पता हे | सिधांत विहीन व्यक्ति ही हमेशा कांग्रेस्स के साथ जुड़े रहे जिनको केवल अपना स्वार्थ साधना होता था | उस्स रुप में चौधरी साब एक स्वार्थी व्यक्ति थे | संविधान बनाने वाली कमेटी में कितने आदमी थे ? उनमें से एक ये भी थे ,जिनकी कोई बात नही सुनी गई | तो फिर ये किस्स वास्ते कमेटी में थे ? ये अपने दम पर अम.अल.अ का टिकट भी नही ले सकते थे | वो तो इनके गुरु थे जिनोह्ने अपना अम.अल.अ का टिकट ख़ुद कह कर इनको दिलवा दिया |दूसरी बात मंत्री कभी योग्ग्य्ता के आधार पर नही बनाए जाते हैं | किसी क्षेत्र या समाज को प्र्तिनिधितव देने के लिए बनाए जाते हैं | अगर ये जन नेता होते तो अधिकत्र समय किसी छोटे-मोटे प्रांत के गवर्नर बन कर नही निकलते | यु.पि.में जो इनकी जमीन हे वो इन्होंने कैसे हासिल कि? इंकोकेवल 20 किल्ले का मुर्बा मिला था ,वो 60 किल्ले कैसे हो गाया ? कुल मिला कर उनोह्ने अपने सिवाय कभी किसी और के लिए कम नही किया | इअ लिए वो ना तो लीडर कि श्रेणी मेे अते हैं ,और ना ही सामाजिक कार्यकर्ता कि श्रेणी में | वो ही बात भूपेन्द्र सिंह पर भी लागू होती हे | वो सारी उमर तो मेडिकल मोड़ पर पावर हाउस के सामे चाय के धाब्बे पे श्र्नार्थिओन के साथ चाय पी-पी कर बेंच तोड़ते रहे और सोनिआ कि चम्चागिरि कर के नेता बन गए | वास्तव में भुपिंद्र केवल रोहतक शहर के भाप्पे- बनीयोँ-शर्नार्थिओन के नेता बने हुए हैं कल इनका लड़का भी इनके उप्पर एक किताब छापेगा और इनको एक महान जन नेता ,दूरदर्शी ,क्रांतिकारी और समाज सेवक बतायेगा | में चौं.रणबीर सिंह का विरोधी नही हूँ | पर उनके खाम्खा के महिमा मंडन का विरोध जरूर करूँगा | ----सद् भवनों सहित |
रविन्द्र्जीत जी वैसे तो हम बागड़ी रोहतक वालों की कम ही बढ़ाई करते हैं :)
आप रोहतक से आपको इनके बारे मे ज्यादा पता होगा | वैसे आपकी जानकारी के लिए बता दु की मैंने चौ रणबीर हुड्डा की 'जाट रिजर्वेसन ' वाली थ्रेयड मे एक तस्वीर पोस्ट की थी शायद आपने ना देखि हो | चौ रणबीर हुड्डा ने 60 के दशक मे पिछड़ा संघ बनाया था , इससे उनकी सोच का पता चलता हैं की आज जो लड़ाई हम लड़ रहे हैं उन्होने उसके बारे मे 60 के दशक मे सोचा था | अब सोचने वाली बात यह हैं की वो उसमे कामयाब क्यो नहीं हुए , मेरा तो इसके लिए यही अनुमान हैं की उन्होने यह मांग जब उठाई तब जाटों के दिमाग मे इसके लिए सोच भी नहीं थी , जाटों के दिमाग मे एक बात घुसा रखी थी की तुम क्षत्री हो बड़े हो |चौ। रणबीर ने जब यह बात उठाई तो जाटों ने हो सकता हैं उस वक़्त विरोध किया हो की यो तो हामने कमीन बनाएगा और इनको उबरने नहीं दिया गया हो | जैसा की 1991 मे जब जाटों को केंद्र मे आरक्षण के लिए कहा तो जाटों ने एतराज जताया की हमको कमीन बनाओगे और शायद इसी कारण से चौ देवी लाल जी केंद्र मे आरक्षण की मांग करने से कतरा गए थे की कहीं जाटों मे उनकी राजनीति खत्म ना हो जाए , हरियाणा मे भी चुप छाप दिया आरक्षण जो की भजन लाल ने आते ही रद्द कर दिया | ऐसे ही एक थ्रेयड मे चौ बंसी लाल के बारे मे कहा गया था की वो हरियाणा बनाने के खिलाफ थे जबकि हमने जो rti लगाई उसमे जवाब यही आया की चौ बंसी लाल ने हरियाणा की मांग के हक़ मे कहा था | समस्या यही हैं की जाट हमेशा उल्टा चलता हैं बात की तह मे जाने की कभी कोशिश नहीं करता जैसा आपने कह दिया की चमचागीरी करके मुख्य मंत्री बन गया , अब बताओ इसमे क्या गलती कर दी , आपको तो खुशी होनी चाहिए की जाट मुख्यमंत्री बना हैं | कोई दूसरा बन जाता तब हो जाती तसल्ली | और वैसे आपकी जानकारी के लिए बता दु की मुख्यमंत्री के लिए विधायक भी बनना पड़ता हैं और इन हुड्डा साहब ने ताऊ को तीन बार हराया भी था और कोई चमचागीरी से नहीं वोटो से हराया था | अब यहा ज्यादा लिखुंगा तो फिर आप लोग हुड्डा बनाम लोक दल ले लोगे | यहा जो लिखा गया हैं वो rti के तथ्यों पर आधारित हैं , अब सोचने वाली बात यह हैं की अगर उनकी ऐसी सोच थी तो फिर उसको दबाया किसने ? हाँ आपकी यह बात मान ली के हो सकता हैं उनमे संघर्ष का मादा नहीं था |
वैसे मैं चौ छोटुराम के सिवाए किसी को पूर्ण जाट किसान नेता नहीं मानता जिसने कौम के लिए किसान के लिए सही मायने मे काम किया हो | हाँ यह हैं की बाकियों ने अपने अपने हिसाब से थोड़ा बहुत प्रयास किया | कुछ लोग गांधी की चमचागीरी के लिए इस मसीहा को काले झंडे दिखाने का काम करते थे और जब जेल दिखती तो इसी मसीहा को बोलकर पैंडा छुटवाते थे और यो मसीहा फिर भी उन सबकी मदद करता था क्योंकि वो सिर्फ जाट वाले एंगल से सोचता था की कोई कहीं भी हो , हैं तो अपना , इसलिए आप लोग भी थोड़ा अपने दिमाग के चकसू खोलो :)

[RavinderSura]

Bhai rinku, you missed the point. They won not because of their deeds. Why their own village cant stand for them? Saanghi gaon Chautala ka supporter hai. So they couldn't win from their own village. That means they dont have a base even in their paternal lineage. Ever pondered why Bhuppi stands from Kiloi only?

Ch Ranbir Singh has been hyped for no big reason. He never did anything substantial for the community. Thats why people in his own village vote against him/his son.
भाई यह तो जाट की फितरत हैं जाट तावला सा किसे न चौधरी ना मानया करे , कहावत स ने अक '' घर का जोगी जोगड़ा , बाहर का सिद्ध '' | यह हाल अकेले हुड्डा के गाँव का नहीं सभी जाट मुख्यमंत्रियों के गाँव का हैं , चाहे चौ बंसी लाल के गाँव गोलागढ़ का हो या फिर चौटाला गाँव , चौटाला साहब का तो परिवार भी उनके खिलाफ हैं और कांग्रेस पार्टी मे हैं |

[jaisingh318]

Tain khamaka ka matha kyun maare kare? kimme tarak aali baat bhi kar lia kadde ki sairf bolan to matlab sai? tere kisse bagri nai lagi kasuti aangli kari sai jo bagriyan n itna yaad kar ja sai:applause:
aahoo mahre gamm m 8 t 9 bagroo mol ari s...........unki aulad bhoot nikkme s..............:stupid:

[jaisingh318]

बागड़िया का जलवा ए ईसा हो स .....देख ले इब तेरी कुनसी पीढ़ी चालरी स बागड़िया की पिंडी बोचते ;)
bagar ka manas deshwaliya m atte rang badal liya kara girgat ki dhall .............ya too janta hoga acchi dhaal:tears_of_joy:
kay baat sidhamsidha congreesi kahan m kay sharm awe s tamne......khamkha k fafde maccha r so:)

[DrRajpalSingh]

Untold Story of Ch. Ranbir Singh
-Hawa Singh Sangwan, Ex. Commandant. Mob. No. 94160-56145

Late Ch. Chhotu Ram had to quit the Congress Party after the differences erupted with Gandhi Ji on Non Co-operation Movement during 1920. In 1923 Ch. Chhotu Ram had formed Unionist Party known as Jamindara Party also, after the collaboration with Fazle-A- Hussan with the sole aim of welfare of peasantary class, labour class and the rural based people as a whole, to keep them out of the exploitation by the middlemen and usury in Joint Punjab. Within short span of time, the Unionist Party had grabed the power in Joint Punjab during 1926 and continued in majority till the sudden demise of Ch. Chhotu Ram on 9th January, 1945. Before the demise of Ch. Chhotu Ram, a very big rally was organized on 8th May, 1944 at Miyawali now in Pakistan to challenge the plan of Mr. Jinnha for the formation of Pakistan in Punjab, because all the 81 Muslim MLAs were in the Unionist Party. Two MLAs of Muslim League, who were elected in the last election had also ................... The ideology of the Unionist was shattered and none of the partyman was left to carry forward the legacy of Late Ch. Chhotu Ram in free India.
On 14th July, 1947, a Constituent Assembly of India was formed consisting 389 members to draft the Indian Constitution, out of which Ch. Ranbir Singh was lone staunch Haryanvi member at the young age of 32 years. To draft the Indian Constitution, the Assembly so constituted had taken 165 days in sitting, covering into 11 sessions and 114 days were spent on the consideration the Draft of the Constitution. The first Draft of the Constitution which was circulated to seek the public response, did not refer to village or peasant or Panchayat at all. The work was assigned to a Drafting Committee consisting of seven members. Dr. B.R. Ambedkar was its Chairman. Coincidently, none of the seven members of the Committee was a villager or a peasant. Whereas, the village, the peasant and values which had got evoled during hard, long struggle for freedom were conspicuously absent in the drafts.
On 6th Nov. 1948, the Constituent Assembly of India had met in the Constitutional Hall at 10 A.M. on Saturday being Vice- President Dr. H. C. Mukharjee in the Chair. All the senior members such as Pt. Nehru, Sardar Patel, Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, J.B, Kriplani, C. Rajgopalacharya, Sarojini Naidu, Dr. Rajender Prasad, Sharat Chander Bose, Babu Jagjiwan Ram etc. were sitting in the front row. One of the youngest member of the assembly, Ch. Ranbir Singh sitting in the next row was pretty nervous in the beginning with sort of mixed feeling high and low. His heart and mind was rolling somewhere in a village, a mean peasant’s life, witnessing KURKI(mortgage) of the land etc. of a poor farmer.
One member, Babu Thakur Dass Ji was advocating the urbanization in his speech. As soon as his speech was over, the young Ch. Ranbir Singh after due permission of the Chair had started delivering his speech with his full confidence and calibre that the constitution is incomplete without incorporation of village, peasant and Panchayat. While eloberating his speech, he had given emphasis on upliftment of village and peasant’s life with giving proper price of his product, strengthing the national co-operative organization of the agricultural products, ensuing (Bima) of his crops and abolishing usury. On 18th Nov. 1948, he was the first leader, who had demanded for separate state of Haryana, in the Constituent Assembly, having old Delhi as its capital. Later on, after 16 years, his demand had became voice of Akalis, Swami Omanand, Ch. Devi Lal and Prof. Sher Singh etc. He had also demanded to divide U.P. into two states to cease its border upto Yamuna river in the West. Now we can easily imagine his vision and wisdom.
He was first leader of India, who have pleaded for making retaintion of the Land Alienation Act on 2nd December, 1948 in the Constituent Assembly. When his demand for Haryana State was not accepted, on Ist August, 1949 he had pleaded for inclusion of rural Delhi and New Delhi in Punjab state. Moreover, he had demanded for special economical concession for Punjab state for 10 years due to its suffering in the partition. On 19th August, 1949, he had bluntly pleaded to exempt the peasant’s class and Harijan from all forms of the taxes. Ch. Ranbir Singh was the first leader in Free India who had demanded the reservation for the villagers as a whole. Dr. B.R. Ambedkar was the first leader who had demanded the reservation for the depressed class. While speaking on Public Service Commission and New Employment Policy, Ch. Ranbir Singh had clearly addressed the Constituent Assembly on 22nd August, 1949 “martial races belong to to the countryside(rural) these people still join the Army as soldiers but the military officers are mostly urban people. Thus the need of our is that the backward people of the villages should be helped to advance forward for which reservation is necessary.” On 24 Nov. 1949, he was the first leader in India who had demanded for the abolition of Jagirdari system in free India and also demanded for an early completion of Bhakra Dam works projecting this as a life line for Punjab state. While speaking on Railway Budget 1948, he had demanded for smooth transportation of agricultural products by the Railways, for which he had quoted an example “Chana is being sold at @ Rs. 5 maund in Hisar region, whereas the same is being sold @ Rs. 50 per maund in Madras region causing loss to the farmers and consumers both, due to shortage of Railway wagons. Similarly, he had given examples of Gur and other agricultural products also.
It is most pertinent to note that Ch. Ranbir Singh had given new definition to “General Public Interest,” while speaking about land holdings on 2nd Dec. 1948 “it can mean only the interests of the peasantry and labours not only the interest of the vocal middle class intelligentia and vested people” it clearly shows his pain for the poor classes whom he had loved and having great affection from the core of his heart.
His speeches can be divided into two parts i.e first which made in the Constituent Assembly for the purpose of making of the Constitution and second for the legislating. During this period of two and half years, he had voiced on various important matters as follow in addition to the above. The subjects were – Problem of ‘pest’ control, Uniformity of Land Revenue, Problems of Agriculturists and Peasantry, Cotton Textile Cess Bill 1948, Railway Budget 1948, General Budget 1948, Electricity Bill 1948, Reserve Bank Bill 1948, Grow More Food Compaign, Hindu Marriage Validity Bill 1949, General Budget 1949, Indian Finance Bill 1949, Child Marriage Rastraint Bill 1949 and Essential Supplies Bill 1949 etc.etc. He had judiciously picked up all the clauses of the bills related to the farmers and villagers very intelligently and the concerned Ministers thereto had to give reply during the debates in length. It is very momentous to note that he was the first leader who had established “All India Backward Sangh” in 1960 and once the then Vice President of India, Sh. Radha Krishan had also presided over one of its function.
Ch. Ranbir Singh was a very good orator who had performed his duties as a member of the Constituent Assembly, with his high esteem, zeal and zenith, for which he fully deserved all praises, appreciation and due admiration. But it is still common belief among the Haryanvi that late Ch. Ranbir Singh was a mute member of the Constituent Assembly, because of his works were not timely publicized due to obvious reasons that is why this article is given name as an “Untold Story”. I hope this article both in English and Hindi is likely to help in awareness about the excellent job done by our respected leader and the departed soul. Ch. Ranbir Singh was only leader being a Congressman who had carried forward the legacy as well as ideology of late Ch. Chhotu Ram immediately after India got the freedom in 1947, through his eloquency and action.
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(Extracts from the speeches of Ch. Ranbir Singh in the Constituent Assembly of India and RTI.)
Note : It is our moral duty to project the good deeds of our departed leaders irrespective of religion, region, sect and political lien, without any prejudice and prediction.

No doubt Ch. Ranbir Singh was a great person in his own right but it is no service to the revered late leader to paint his picture larger than life.

Just two points.

Leave aside legacy issue, kindly let us know Who from Rohtak had opposed tooth and nail in the election of Ch. Chhotu Ram to The Punjab Legislative Council in 1920's and 30's ?

A great piece of research to learn that '' On 24 Nov. 1949, he [Ch. Ranbir Singh] was the first leader in India who had demanded for the abolition of Jagirdari system in free India.''

Keep it up please !!

[rinkusheoran]

bagar ka manas deshwaliya m atte rang badal liya kara girgat ki dhall .............ya too janta hoga acchi dhaal:tears_of_joy:
kay baat sidhamsidha congreesi kahan m kay sharm awe s tamne......khamkha k fafde maccha r so:)

Sura ka ishara congress ki taraf nhi lokdal ki taraf hai kyunki lokdal ka mukhiya bagri hai. thare baap dada ne paa pakde bagriyana k and aagey bhi pakogey guarantee sai ya bhi. filhaal dekha ki mhara bagri jail mein gya to tham deshwali rowo so. Bagri jail mein ja and rowe deshwali , dekha bagriyon ka jalwa :)

N Dekh le Ch Devilal jo khud ek bagri the,kabhi kisi bhi dehwali ko nhi ubharane dia and vo bhi bina sarkar banaye most of the time. Betaaj badshah the , isse sa ham bagri :)

[rinkusheoran]

aahoo mahre gamm m 8 t 9 bagroo mol ari s...........unki aulad bhoot nikkme s..............:stupid:

unn aulad mein tain ek aulad tu bhi sai :stupid:

[rinkusheoran]

No doubt Ch. Ranbir Singh was a great person in his own right but it is no service to the revered late leader to paint his picture larger than life.

Just two points.

Leave aside legacy issue, kindly let us know Who from Rohtak had opposed tooth and nail in the election of Ch. Chhotu Ram to The Punjab Legislative Council in 1920's and 30's ?

A great piece of research to learn that '' On 24 Nov. 1949, he [Ch. Ranbir Singh] was the first leader in India who had demanded for the abolition of Jagirdari system in free India.''

Keep it up please !!

Dr Sahab

All that is mentioned above is based on RTI and you can refer it by yourself.Ch Ranbir hooda in 1920 was hardly 6 year old (kache mein handan ki umer thi) and 16 in 1930.

as far as i know This family was even supportive of Jat institutes in rohtak that Ch Chhoturam built and even today also they are member of those institutes. Aur Haan aaj jitne bade jat gharane hai haryana mein sab ke sab Ch chhoturam ki khilaf the and gandhi k chamche the. Some even showed him black flags as well. Lekin Ch chhoturam ji K jane k baad sabne kahin na kahin unki soch aagey badhai kisi ne kam n kisi ne jayda.

[VivekGathwala]

Tain khamaka ka matha kyun maare kare? kimme tarak aali baat bhi kar lia kadde ki sairf bolan to matlab sai? tere kisse bagri nai lagi kasuti aangli kari sai jo bagriyan n itna yaad kar ja sai:applause:

bhai tu amrica m rehta hoga jabe isi baat kare h

[VivekGathwala]

Dr Sahab

All that is mentioned above is based on RTI and you can refer by yourself. This family was even supportive of Jat institutes in rohtak that Ch Chhoturam built and even today also they are member of those. Aur Haan aaj jitne bade jat gharane hai sab Ch chhoturam ki khilaf the and gandhi k chamche the. Lekin Ch chhoturam ji K jane k baad sabne kahin na kahin unki soch aagey badhai kisne ne kam n kisi ne jayda.

amrica aale tere zeroooo lumber hain

[rinkusheoran]

bhai tu amrica m rehta hoga jabe isi baat kare h
tanne kad bera patga gattu :)

[rinkusheoran]

amrica aale tere zeroooo lumber hain

tain to pass ho gya hoga ya kammi sai ;)

[ravinderjeet]

No doubt Ch. Ranbir Singh was a great person in his own right but it is no service to the revered late leader to paint his picture larger than life.

Just two points.

Leave aside legacy issue, kindly let us know Who from Rohtak had opposed tooth and nail in the election of Ch. Chhotu Ram to The Punjab Legislative Council in 1920's and 30's ?

A great piece of research to learn that '' On 24 Nov. 1949, he [Ch. Ranbir Singh] was the first leader in India who had demanded for the abolition of Jagirdari system in free India.''

Keep it up please !!

बाँस ने नेजा बनान कि कोशिश स या ,कौनि होवे |

[rinkusheoran]

बाँस ने नेजा बनान कि कोशिश स या ,कौनि होवे |

If he was not Bhupinder Hooda's father , would you have given the same kind of reaction ;)

[VPannu]

If he was not Bhupinder Hooda's father , would you have given the same kind of reaction ;)
bhai je Ranbir Singh Bhuppi ka baabu na hota te uske geet bhi koye na gaave hey. Call me ignorant, but I have never ever heard about Ranbir Hooda until Bhuppi became a CM.

[cutejaatsandeep]

ye pehli bar nahi hua hai bhai... yahan 2-4 bhai aise hi baat likh dete hain... taliban style main... aap sawal nahi kar sakte... agar karoge to aap anti-jat ho...

arey bhai hooda ke favour mai baat ni karengee to aur kiske favour mai karengee:)..samjhaa karo bhahiyo

[cutejaatsandeep]

maane to yoo yee naa samajh aa rii k sangwan saab kyo uss admii ke geet gaa ree hai jisse haryana mai aaj se 8 saal pehle koi naa jaanta tha....may b iske peeche unka koi motive ho..kya motive hai ye to time hi batayega..hooda ke cm baane se pehle to sangwan saab ne kabhi senior hooda ke geeet na gaaye?kya uss time tak senior hooda ki koi pechaan naa thi?ibb hooda ke cm baaante thee uska baabu freedom fighter jaato ka masihaa bhi ban gya.....very veryy nice:)

[prashantacmet]

aur yeh wahi log hai jo nu kaha karte ek "jaat kade congressi ni hua arr jaatni kadhe vidhwa ni hui"..waah ri raajneeti..chaudhary chotu ram tai ranbeer hooda pe aa liye..!!... baaki nu batao tharre main arr yashpal malik main ke fark hain jo thaam usne gaal baku jaao saari haan..wo parwa sai ya kimme kuch aur?

[desijat]

aur yeh wahi log hai jo nu kaha karte ek "jaat kade congressi ni hua arr jaatni kadhe vidhwa ni hui"..waah ri raajneeti.\

To bhai agle election main Ajit Singh ka patta saaf hona pakka hai? Ar nyu bhi bata die ak Chaudhary Charan Singh 1967 te pahle kya the jab we Congress ki sath the. Jat hona to te cancel kar dia

Chal auro ki chorh nyu bata apni vote to na gerega converted congressi ku?

[prashantacmet]

To bhai agle election main Ajit Singh ka patta saaf hona pakka hai? Ar nyu bhi bata die ak Chaudhary Charan Singh 1967 te pahle kya the jab we Congress ki sath the. Jat hona to te cancel kar dia

Chal auro ki chorh nyu bata apni vote to na gerega converted congressi ku?

Bhai vikas ajeet singh ka to kuch kissa hi ni raha...par tere congree ka naam aatu hi rocket kyoun laag jaa hai?...raat main neend aa jaa tanne theek- thaak ek na? tu congressi hai theek baat hai par tai to katai naas pe ku laathi fer di mere yaar..kadhi kadhak to ek aadh baat pee jaaya kar congress ki...baaki tere bhi wohi kasuta rog sai jisne mahrre rajpal dular ji, sanjeev bhai, ravinder sura ji ki pindliya main khaaz kar raakhi :)..kadhe to daat jaaya kar..baaki teri marzi..arr bhai mere tanne saari baat ka ni byara..tu beech main kai saal aade geda maaran ni aaya ..to tu raahan hi deta

[desijat]

Bhai vikas ajeet singh ka to kuch kissa hi ni raha...par tere congree ka naam aatu hi rocket kyoun laag jaa hai?...r


ना तो मैं कॉंग्रेस की बड़ाई करी आर ना मैं बुराई, फेर क्यू मिर्च लग री है?

एक चुटकुला तो सुना होगा, जात की साइकल बिगड़ की तो एक जाते हुए बहमन नेबूझा आर के बात चौधरी चैन उतार गी? जाट पे जवाब तो बना ना पर नीचा क्यूकर देखता उसने भी कहा अक तेरी भी तो चोरी भाज गी थी...

तो भाई तेरा अजीत सिंघ का अँधा प्रेम तो जाग जाहिर है जैसे बाकिया का अँधा मोदी प्रेम, जब तर्क वितर्क करने की क्षमता नही रहती तो इससे ही उल्टे सीधे जवाब दे के सीँघ ालझाते फ़िरो.

खैर, एक बार फेर बुझउ हू:

१) अजीत सिंघ की वोट तो ना गेरेगा इब की बार ? काम तो उसने करा ना ढेले का अर् कॉंग्रेस ते मिल के जाट भी ना रहा इब
२) चौधरी चरण सिंघ १९६७ मैं जाट बने या उस्ते पहले भी थे जब वी कॉंग्रेस के सदस्या थे

जवाब हो तो दे दिए, ना ते एक और नकली कहावत ढूँढ लाइए जो किसने सुनी ना हो

[rinkusheoran]

aur yeh wahi log hai jo nu kaha karte ek "jaat kade congressi ni hua arr jaatni kadhe vidhwa ni hui"..waah ri raajneeti..chaudhary chotu ram tai ranbeer hooda pe aa liye..!!... baaki nu batao tharre main arr yashpal malik main ke fark hain jo thaam usne gaal baku jaao saari haan..wo parwa sai ya kimme kuch aur?

Tain to tarak aal insaan sai n har baat k piche tarak khojat hai fir ayah kaise chuk gya? ye article to RTI pe adharit hai khud pta kar le n nyu bta de ki iss article mein congress party ka kahan jikar hai? n uper wali baat ko manta hai ya sirf padhi padhi thi ki 'jat kade congressi koni huwa n jatni kadde vidhwa koni hui'? n hosake to Desi ka jawab bhi de dio

[rinkusheoran]

bhai je Ranbir Singh Bhuppi ka baabu na hota te uske geet bhi koye na gaave hey. Call me ignorant, but I have never ever heard about Ranbir Hooda until Bhuppi became a CM.

Pannu Bhai,

Many people have not even heard about Kartar singh sarabha, Ch mahender pratap so what does mean? How many Jats talk about them? Logon ko ye bhi nhi pta ki Jiss azad hind faj ka senapatti Subhash chander bose tha uss ka senapatti ch Mahender pratap the so what does mean and please don t assume I'm comparing them with Ranbir Hooda.As i said in my first post in this thread as i have my own reservations till i completely verify but article is on the basis of RTI so one can find by themselves.

[rinkusheoran]

maane to yoo yee naa samajh aa rii k sangwan saab kyo uss admii ke geet gaa ree hai jisse haryana mai aaj se 8 saal pehle koi naa jaanta tha....may b iske peeche unka koi motive ho..kya motive hai ye to time hi batayega..hooda ke cm baane se pehle to sangwan saab ne kabhi senior hooda ke geeet na gaaye?kya uss time tak senior hooda ki koi pechaan naa thi?ibb hooda ke cm baaante thee uska baabu freedom fighter jaato ka masihaa bhi ban gya.....very veryy nice:)


Tanne ek baat bataun bera koni hoga, Jab Ch Hawa singh Sangwanji aarskshan k liye gaon jana start kia tha to tere jisse kaha karte ki CRPF se officer retire huye hain n ticket lengey MLA ki and aaj tai tere aisa hi keh rahe hain bas unki party badalate rahte hain lekin Sangwan Sahab khud samaj mein kaam mein pahle bhi utna hai samil the n aaj usse kahin jyada. Ab jiss insan ki soch jiss level ki hogi wahi tak sochega na usse uper kahan jayega kyun? N tere liye bta deta hun ki tere netao ne to Rehber-E-Azam Ch Chhoturam ka naam daba dia tha dost ye to ranbir hooda tha.Sochna iss baat ko agar rajniti se uper uth sake to kabhi n ye sari baatein RTI pe adharit hain, laga le n prove kar de galat agar juth lagti hain to.

[prashantacmet]

Tain to tarak aal insaan sai n har baat k piche tarak khojat hai fir ayah kaise chuk gya? ye article to RTI pe adharit hai khud pta kar le n nyu bta de ki iss article mein congress party ka kahan jikar hai? n uper wali baat ko manta hai ya sirf padhi padhi thi ki 'jat kade congressi koni huwa n jatni kadde vidhwa koni hui'? n hosake to Desi ka jawab bhi de dio

Bhai Rinku, Most of the great Jat leaders emerged to excellence when they got rid of congress and history is the witness of that, chaudhary chotu ram, chaudhary charan singh, tau devi lal etc shined after quit. so fundamentally a big percentage of Jats have never been comfortable in Congress and I guess they can never be..Congress and Jats are like two sides of the stream..
Now as you gave example of kartar singh sharaba and Mahendra paratap singh..it's like a blot on those jat icons if you call them unrecognized.. I completely agree with pannu , ranbeer singh hooda glorification started just few years back though I am not denying your RTI verification.. baaki vikas ki pehle baat ka juwab to meri jimmewari hai baaki second aala sawaal thaari khatir sai wa baat thaam hi kaha karde ke 'jat kade congressi koni huwa n jatni kadde vidhwa koni hui'...kimme bhool gya ho to yaad duwana padega ke?

Now to Mr. Vikas America, Congress has been injected in your blood. You have accepted it on this portal many times that only your family in Chhaprauli was against charan singh when he was revered there like GOD..so better denying that "I talk on facts , I don't praise congress, I am not congressi" accept that your entire propaganda is to defend congress here. Now to your question about ajeet singh and vote in next election.. I will not vote for him and have not given a vote to him in past 2 elections. I respect and will respect chaudhary charan singh but not his legacy.,,par terri gaadi ka ger udde hi fass rya.... so better think about yourself how staucnh congressi you are from nehru era and how long you will be...beacuse i don't see any relenting

[desijat]

Now to Mr. Vikas America, Congress has been injected in your blood. You have accepted it on this portal many times that only your family in Chhaprauli was against charan singh when he was revered there like GOD..


Vikas Chaudhary- very much an Indian.

I have accepted what I accepted, why fuzz about it? Is that an issue here? NO and being anti Chaudhary sahab does not make me a congressi, does it? He himself was a Congressi until 1967 FYI


so better denying that "I talk on facts , I don't praise congress, I am not congressi" accept that your entire propaganda is to defend congress here./
Not true and again, is that an issue? NO


Now to your question about ajeet singh and vote in next election.. I will not vote for him and have not given a vote to him in past 2 elections. I respect and will respect chaudhary charan singh but not his legacy.,

Good to know but how can you respect someone who was a Congress supporter? ar pher mirach kyu lage hai har bar Chote Chaudhary ka naam aate hi? Ar jo Chote Chaudhary ko vote na de to kise dega? SP? BSP? BJP? jarur bataiye.


Also, everyone who does not support BJP orRLD is not a congressi, hope you know that, right? I am not sure if you know it or not but if you know folks in Chapprauli ask them who supported Sompal Shashtri the most in the area when he fought on BJPs ticket and won.

Ek bar aur bata die bhai, ya kahawat kahi kitt ja hai ar ye jat licence kaha bane hai bina congressi hone ka?

[RavinderSura]

प्रशांत भाई , इस थ्रेयड मे कहीं भी यह नहीं कहा गया हैं की आप लोग कांग्रेस को वोट दे | सिर्फ पन्नु ही नहीं सभी जाटों की रणबीर हुड्डा के बारे मे यही राय थी और ना ही रोहतक से बाहर उनके बारे मे किसी को पता था | जब मुख्यमंत्री ने रोहतक मे रणबीर हुड्डा के नाम से संविधान स्थल बनवाया तब उनके बारे मे जानने के लिए आरटीआई लगाई गई की क्या उन्होने सच्च मे ऐसा कुछ किया था और जब उन आरटीआई के जवाब आए तब पता लगा की इनको भी इतिहास के पन्नो मे खो दिया गया | और वैसे आजकल यह दस्तूर बन गया हैं की जिनकी अगली नस्ले राजनीति मे कामयाब होती हैं सिर्फ उन्ही का इतिहास जिंदा रहता हैं , अब हुड्डा साहब राज मे आ गए तो इंका पता लग गया नहीं तो ये भी इतिहास के पन्नो मे घूम हो गए थे | जैसा की चौधरी छोटुराम के साथ हो रहा हैं उनका कोई वारिस रहा नहीं तो उन्हे व उनकी सोच को इतिहास के पन्नो मे दफन कर दिया गया |
चौधरी बंसी लाल , चौधरी रणबीर हुड्डा आदि जैसे कई पढे लिखे जाट नेताओ को जाट कौम के लोग जाट कम ही मानते हैं उसमे इन लोगो की खुद की कमी भी रही हैं क्योंकि ये लोग अपनी आवाज़ असमेबली मे तो उठाते रहे क्योंकि इन लोगो को पता था की काम कानून तो असेंबली से बनेंगे , पर ये लोग आम जनता से दूरी बनाए रखे रहे , इसलिए जाट कौम ने इन लोगो से दूरी बना ली | चौधरी देवी लाल सीधे सादे अनपढ़ आदमी थे उन्होने अपना संबंध जनता से कायम रखा इसलिए वो जाट कौम के प्यारे हैं |
ऐसे और भी कई जाट नेता हैं जिनके बारे मे गिनती के जाट ही जानते होंगे , चौधरी छोटुराम के कई सहयोगी थे जिनके बारे मे आज बहुत कम लोग जानते हैं | अकाली नेता सिमरनजीत सिंह मान के पिता चौधरी छोटुराम के सहयोगी थे जिनहोने चौधरी साहब का हर कदम पर साथ दिया पर आज पंजाब मे चुनिन्दा जाट ही जानते होंगे |
जैसा की डॉक्टर राजपाल जी ने कहा की हुड्डा परिवार चौधरी छोटुराम का विरोधी था , आज के जीतने भी बड़े जाट राजनीतिक घराने हैं वो सब उस वक़्त उनके विरोधी थे , बात यह हैं की उनके बाद उनकी सोच पर किसने कितना और क्या काम किया |
चौधरी छोटुराम का एक मूलमंत्र यह भी था की हुकूमत का विरोध न करो क्योंकि काम हुकूमत से लेना हैं |यह तजवीज बनाओ की हुकूमत से कैसे और क्या काम लिया जाए जिससे कौम का फायदा हो | उस वक़्त हुकूमत गोरो की थी और कांग्रेस उनका विरोध सिर्फ अपनी हुकूमत के लिए करती थी ना की किसान की भलाई के लिए , इसलिए चौधरी साहब ने कांग्रेस का विरोध किया और गोरो से मिल कर किसान हित के काम किए और इसी कारण उस वक़्त यह नारा चला था की '' जाट कभी कांग्रेसी कोणी हो जाटनी कदे रांड(विधवा) कोणी हो '' | आज़ादी के बाद हुकूमत कांग्रेस की कांग्रेस की आ गई परंतु लोगो की सोच अब भी वैसी ही रह गई की हुकूमत का विरोध करो | लोग विपक्ष की बातो मे आ कर विरोध शुरू कर देते हैं और जब विपक्ष वाले पक्ष मे आते हैं फिर उनका विरोध शुरू हो जाता हैं | सिर्फ विरोध की राजनीति से कुछ हासिल नहीं होता |
इस विरोध की राजनीति के कारण ही ऐसे कई जाट नाम इतिहास से गायब हो गए |
चौधरी छोटुराम का एक मूलमंत्र यह भी था की जाट कहीं भी हो किसी भी पार्टी मे उसकी मदद करो | आज के दौर मे जाटों के हर पार्टी मे भागेदारी जरूरी हैं , अगर कल को किसी ऐसी पार्टी की हुकूमत आती हैं जिसमे जाटों के भागे दारी न हो तो फिर हमारी आवाज़ कौन उठाएगा | अब जैसे यूपी मे अभी हाल ही मे अखिलेश ने एक जाट को अपने कैबिनेट मे शामिल किया हैं , यदि हम किसी दूसरे की बातो मे आके उस जाट मंत्री का विरोध करे या कहे की वो जाट नहीं रहा जो यादव की पार्टी मे शामिल हो गया तो यह भी गलत होगा | अब वो अखिलेश की हुकूमत मे मंत्री हैं तो हमे कम से कम आश तो रहेगी की कोई नहीं हमारा कोई तो हैं वाहा आवाज़ उठाने के लिए |

[RavinderSura]

[QUOTE=prashantacmet;332552baaki nu batao tharre main arr yashpal malik main ke fark hain jo thaam usne gaal baku jaao saari haan..wo parwa sai ya kimme kuch aur?[/QUOTE]
भाई आपकी इस बात का जवाब और रह गया था ,
हम यशपाल मलिक के इसलिए खिलाफ नहीं हैं क्योंकि वो पारवा हैं , यदि हमारे मन मे यह पारवा हैं जैसा कोई ख्याल होता तो हम उसे नेता भी नहीं बनाते , 2010 से पहले वो सिर्फ यूपी तक़ सीमित था | हम उसके इसलिए खिलाफ हुए क्योंकि वो कायर हैं पुलिस को देख के दंगल छोड़ गया था | बाकी इस टॉपिक पर इस थ्रेयड मे ज्यादा चर्चा ठीक नहीं , फिर कभी कहीं और कर लेंगे :)

[rinkusheoran]

Now as you gave example of kartar singh sharaba and Mahendra paratap singh..it's like a blot on those jat icons if you call them unrecognized..

Prashant Bhai, you missed the point.In the previous post i said many people dont know them(Sarabha/Ch Mahender pratap) so it not blot on them rather blot on the people who call themselves Jat and are unaware of these icons..

Baki aapka jawab Sura bhai ne dia hai but if you still have anything we can discuss :)

[VirJ]

चौधरी छोटुराम का एक मूलमंत्र यह भी था की हुकूमत का विरोध न करो क्योंकि काम हुकूमत से लेना हैं |यह तजवीज बनाओ की हुकूमत से कैसे और क्या काम लिया जाए जिससे कौम का फायदा हो | उस वक़्त हुकूमत गोरो की थी और कांग्रेस उनका विरोध सिर्फ अपनी हुकूमत के लिए करती थी ना की किसान की भलाई के लिए , इसलिए चौधरी साहब ने कांग्रेस का विरोध किया और गोरो से मिल कर किसान हित के काम किए

This is highly debatable. That time it was foreigners who were ruling and we were slaves. It looks that here we are saying that just for some self interest we should go to the extent of helping foreign powers. Sounds like we want to be like a bhat who sings for the king just for some stones.

[sunnytewatia]

Agree with Mister Vivek Pannu. No one knew who Ranbir Hooda was. And if even elders didnt know him well ( unlike Ch Devilal, Ch Charan Singh, Chhotu Ram etc), then this kind of article is mere a glorification of Ranbir Singh. can not say why it is done as I dont know - but yes, intentions are doubtful.

what i know about Ranbir Singh is that he could never win from rohtak after first time as MP. Had he been such a big leader and had he done so much - people would not have voted him and his son out repeatedly.

[jaisingh318]

Agree with Mister Vivek Pannu. No one knew who Ranbir Hooda was. And if even elders didnt know him well ( unlike Ch Devilal, Ch Charan Singh, Chhotu Ram etc), then this kind of article is mere a glorification of Ranbir Singh. can not say why it is done as I dont know - but yes, intentions are doubtful.

what i know about Ranbir Singh is that he could never win from rohtak after first time as MP. Had he been such a big leader and had he done so much - people would not have voted him and his son out repeatedly.
rohtak m too purane manas nu khaya kare kay galti t bana diya thaa....................arr yoo milane walyoo p kuutte choodya karta.............
bhuppi kum t kum milansar to s ............koi dhoom hi badai kar sake s...........pher ibb to jan dayo ram ji k ghar m jaya pacche sare theek hoi s

[desijat]

what i know about Ranbir Singh is that he could never win from rohtak after first time as MP. Had he been such a big leader and had he done so much - people would not have voted him and his son out repeatedly.

And his grandson won with a record victory, why not mention that as well?

FYI: Hooda Sr. has been a MP from Rohtak 4 times since 1991 untill he becamse CM (losing once in 1999) and his Grandson is second time MP, once won with a record victory.

[Arvindc]

[QUOTE=RavinderSura;332657 जब मुख्यमंत्री ने रोहतक मे रणबीर हुड्डा के नाम से संविधान स्थल बनवाया तब उनके बारे मे जानने के लिए आरटीआई लगाई गई की क्या उन्होने सच्च मे ऐसा कुछ किया था और जब उन आरटीआई के जवाब आए तब पता लगा की इनको भी इतिहास के पन्नो मे खो दिया गया | ......
....[/QUOTE]
भाई रविंदर ये RTI लगाने की क्या ज़रूरत थी! Jatland पे विकास चौधरी से ही पूछ लेते!

[desijat]

भाई रविंदर ये rti लगाने की क्या ज़रूरत थी! Jatland पे विकास चौधरी से ही पूछ लेते!

सुरा अगली बार भाई मेरे पास ही आ जाइए, खम्खा rti के चक्कर मैं पड़े है लोगो को जागृत कारण खत्तर, जो लोग गूगल तक को इस्तेमाल करने मैं बेज़्ज़ती मानने है तू rti खबर दे रहा है

वा ही बात हो गी, गढ़े कू दिया नून, उसने कहा मेरी आँख फोड़ दी

[Arvindc]

Excuse me? Plz explain further your comment
Well, looking at your post below, it seems, you have good number of facts with you related to Hooda.

[desijat]

I corrected my post, but to your point I know zilch about ground level Haryana politics or Hooda but I am curious enough to know and responsible enough to validate my facts before deliberately posting wrong posts with wrong information like others do

I had not even heard about Mr. Ranbir Singh Hooda prior to this thread, I am thankful to Sura who has helped me know a bit more about a great Jat Leader and others would have agreed to this as well had his son not been the CM of Haryana from a party they dislike.

[Arvindc]

I corrected my post, but to your point I know zilch about ground level Haryana politics or Hooda but I am curious enough ...
...

कोई बात नही भाई रविंदर, अनिल सांगवान से पूछ कॅ विकास चौधरी से validate करवा लियो! थोड़ा काम बढ़ गया पर फेर भी RTI त तो कमै स!

[desijat]

कोई बात नही भाई रविंदर, अनिल सांगवान से पूछ कॅ विकास चौधरी से validate करवा लियो! थोड़ा काम बढ़ गया पर फेर भी rti त तो कमै स!

आर फेर आ के इंते अलझ लिए जो rti को तो मानते ना, अनिल भाई अर् मेरी बात को पत्थर की लकीर मानेंगे

[VPannu]

And his grandson won with a record victory, why not mention that as well?
You tell me "why to mention the grandson as well"? हम बात करण लाग रे हैं दादा की , तू पोते ने बीच में खीच के लाया खामखा । अपनी पार्टी का झंडा ऊपर राखिये हमेशा । दीपेंदर का भी वो ऐ हिसाब है जो तुषार कपूर, अभिषेक बच्चन , राहुल गाँधी , अखिलेश यादव का है । किस्मत का खा रे हैं न की कर्मो का । कर्मो के नाम पे तो जूत मिलेंगे इन ने (exclude Abhishek & Tusshar here, at least they try to do better) ।

भाई रविंदर ये rti लगाने की क्या ज़रूरत थी! Jatland पे विकास चौधरी से ही पूछ लेते!
bhai Gandas , katti saanni si kaat garri tanne hahahaha

[rinkusheoran]

किस्मत का खा रे हैं न की कर्मो का । कर्मो के नाम पे तो जूत मिलेंगे इन ने [/I][/FONT][/COLOR]

Pannu Bhai, iss soch nai chhod de ki sirf kismet ka kha rahe hain that is one way of looking at things because end of day to win election they have to go constituencies and ask for vote. Bhai devilal ka ranjit singh bhi paida hua tha fer uski kismet kahan gai sirf Ch OP chautala ki kismet kaise hui n ranbir hooda k bhi sayad 3 ya 4 the aklea Bhuppi kaise kismet leke paida ho gya?

3 election(sarpanch/BDC/Zilla Parishad) mein manne pachli yojna mein vote mange logan dhore to bhai isse sai apne Jat ki lath kha sake teri khatir lekin vote ki haan koni bharate.Yo in netao ka talent sai ki ye jo bhi kar rahe hain n hamne sirf kismet lagey sai. hajaraon logon k vote lena kismet thodi sai khali kimme to credit de unke talent ko :)

[VPannu]

Pannu Bhai, iss soch nai chhod de ki sirf kismet ka kha rahe hain that is one way of looking at things because end of day to win election they have to go constituencies and ask for vote. Bhai devilal ka ranjit singh bhi paida hua tha fer uski kismet kahan gai sirf Ch OP chautala ki kismet kaise hui n ranbir hooda k bhi sayad 3 ya 4 the aklea Bhuppi kaise kismet leke paida ho gya?

Ek aadha election lad k dekh pta lag jayega kismet kisse kahte hain mehnat kisse
main sehmat hoon bhai teri is baat te. par ek side deepender hooda khada ho chunaav me ( jiska father ruling party ka CM or party bhi Congress) or doosri side tere mere jaisa khada ho. farak to saaf dikhta hai ki kon jeetega. or kismet bhi kismat waalo ka saath deti hai :). Ranjit Singh jaisa ek aur udaharan hai - Varun Gandhi or Maneka Gandhi bhi isi khaandaan ke hain, par unko itni safaltaa nahi mili jitni Rahul/Sonia ko.

[desijat]

people would not have voted him and his son out repeatedly.


Again, selective reading. Sunny ne agar bete ka naam lia to pote ka lete ke afat aa ri thi? Cause he knew his argument will be flawed, which anyways was wrong. Reply according to the post and topic Pannu, not according to your taste.


किस्मत का खा रे हैं न की कर्मो का । कर्मो के नाम पे तो जूत मिलेंगे इन ने (exclude Abhishek & Tusshar here, at least they try to do better) ।
bhai Gandas , katti saanni si kaat garri tanne hahahaha[/I][/FONT][/COLOR]

Rahi kismat ki baat, Kismat ek ya 2 baar ticket dilwa sakti hai par jeetna aur aage badhna apne kaam par hai. Har actor ka beta actor nahi hota aur har neta ka beta neta nahi hota.

Kismat to Ajit Singh, Kuldeep Bishnoi ki bhi waisi hi hai par karam to na hai inke, jibhi to lutiya doob ri hai.

[desijat]

Varun Gandhi or Maneka Gandhi bhi isi khaandaan ke hain, par unko itni safaltaa nahi mili jitni Rahul/Sonia ko.

Kyunki Rahul ka baap aur Sonia ka pati PM post pe assasinate hua tha, so obviously they will be the ones leveraging his deeds.

Where as Sanjay Gandhi, who was a much better option for leadership in Congress died(or murdered) at a much young age not leaving behind enough credentials to be leveraged by his son or wife.

[rinkusheoran]

This is highly debatable. That time it was foreigners who were ruling and we were slaves. It looks that here we are saying that just for some self interest we should go to the extent of helping foreign powers. Sounds like we want to be like a bhat who sings for the king just for some stones.

Virj, i always considered you an intellect and today you compared the deeds to Dinbhandu Ch cChhoturam with a Bhat. That is quite surprising. Do you really think they are the same?

I would say totally taken in a wrong direction. Once Ch chhoturam and Even Bhagat Singh even said, we dont want freedom where white rulers are replaced by black skinned ones.Do you think it means they never wanted freedom? We are still using the law from british rule for land acquisition act/police act and only color of skin got changed.

Press even called freedom fighter like Bhagat singh terrorists, Ch chhoturam as angrejo ka pithoo and also said it is highly debatable , do you believe in that as well?

[VirJ]

Virj, i always considered you an intellect and today you compared the deeds to Dinbhandu Ch cChhoturam with a Bhat. That is quite surprising. Do you really think they are the same?

I would say totally taken in a wrong direction. Once Ch chhoturam and Even Bhagat Singh even said, we dont want freedom where white rulers are replaced by black skinned ones.Do you think it means they never wanted freedom? We are still using the law from british rule for land acquisition act/police act and only color of skin got changed.

Press even called freedom fighter like Bhagat singh terrorists, Ch chhoturam as angrejo ka pithoo and also said it is highly debatable , do you believe in that as well?

I questioned what is written and interpreted not what Chotu Ram did. My great grandfather has worked with him. I also know a little bit about him. Its better if we clarify what has been questioned rather than giving vague reply.

Didnt you say" Chotu Ram ka mul mantr tha hukumat ka khabi virodh mat karo" ?-This need to be clarified a little more, isnt it?

I never compared anyone to anyone. I just said what it sound like. Also when you quote Chotu ram or Bhagat singh can you provide some reliable source as well otherwise to me this is just your interpretation of the facts.

Bhagat singh being classified as terrorist has nothing to do with what has been questioned.

On a side note thanks for considering me an intellect :)

[RavinderSura]

You tell me "why to mention the grandson as well"? हम बात करण लाग रे हैं दादा की , तू पोते ने बीच में खीच के लाया खामखा । अपनी पार्टी का झंडा ऊपर राखिये हमेशा । दीपेंदर का भी वो ऐ हिसाब है जो तुषार कपूर, अभिषेक बच्चन , राहुल गाँधी , अखिलेश यादव का है । किस्मत का खा रे हैं न की कर्मो का । कर्मो के नाम पे तो जूत मिलेंगे इन ने (exclude Abhishek & Tusshar here, at least they try to do better) ।
bhai Gandas , katti saanni si kaat garri tanne hahahaha[/I][/FONT][/COLOR]

मतलब के माने स की इसके बाप दादा का किममे ब्योंत स जदे उनके नाम की खा स ;)

[rakeshsehrawat]

Waise to mein ab jatland ke nashe se mukt ho chuka hoon par aaj fer madi si kulbuli uth gayi.






Kul mila ke agar do baar mein CM ban gya to mere dada ki bhi bhateri untold story hongi aur usko kehne wali jubano ki bhi kami nahi hogi


Jiska Khawe tikda uska gaave Gitda .................. Said by ..........?

[desijat]

This just goes to show your frustration with yourself and your upbringing. I wont even go down to your level to waste my time in replying you and wait for Moderators to do their job.

You not only bring shame to the community but to this forum as well. It is because of this low level of language and lose moderation rules that awaits and encourages idiots like you to post this language without catching you young that has kept away many Jat intellects away from the portal.

I just hope you learn some manners to behave with people who does not think the way you do.

[RavinderSura]

main sehmat hoon bhai teri is baat te. par ek side deepender hooda khada ho chunaav me ( jiska father ruling party ka CM or party bhi Congress) or doosri side tere mere jaisa khada ho. farak to saaf dikhta hai ki kon jeetega. or kismet bhi kismat waalo ka saath deti hai :). Ranjit Singh jaisa ek aur udaharan hai - Varun Gandhi or Maneka Gandhi bhi isi khaandaan ke hain, par unko itni safaltaa nahi mili jitni Rahul/Sonia ko.
पन्नु भाई , किश्मत भी बनाए बनती होगी , कोशिश होगी तो ही कशिश होगी ....
यहा बात हो रही हैं जाट की , अटक गए कांग्रेस मे जाके ....

[VPannu]

Jiska Khawe tikda uska gaave Gitda .................. Said by ..........?Said by the one and only Rakesh Sehrawat. nuve baat se ke ? :livid: par tera yo dialog jab bhi aave hai to Harvinder Malik yaad aave hai, bera na kyu ;)

[RavinderSura]

Waise to mein ab jatland ke nashe se mukt ho chuka hoon par aaj fer madi si kulbuli uth gayi.






Kul mila ke agar do baar mein CM ban gya to mere dada ki bhi bhateri untold story hongi aur usko kehne wali jubano ki bhi kami nahi hogi


Jiska Khawe tikda uska gaave Gitda .................. Said by ..........?
भाई अगर तेरा दादा, स्वतन्त्रता सेनानी रहा हो , जाट शिक्षण संस्था का सदस्य रहा हो , विधायक रहा हो , सांसद रहा हो , संविधान कैमेटी का सदस्य रहा हो , मंत्री रहा हो तो तेरे दादा के गुण भी गाये जाएंगे ईसा माड़ा मन क्यू करे स ....

[rakeshsehrawat]

भाई अगर तेरा दादा, स्वतन्त्रता सेनानी रहा हो , जाट शिक्षण संस्था का सदस्य रहा हो , विधायक रहा हो , सांसद रहा हो , संविधान कैमेटी का सदस्य रहा हो , मंत्री रहा हो तो तेरे दादा के गुण भी गाये जाएंगे ईसा माड़ा मन क्यू करे स ....


Je Mama CM na banta to Nana ke tu kite na fuljhadi bandhta. Bakhat Bakhat ki baat he na to tau ne pooch le je naam bhi bera ho to.

On 14th July, 1947, a Constituent Assembly of India was formed consisting 389 members to draft the Indian Constitution, out of which Ch. Ranbir Singh was lone staunch Haryanvi member at the young age of 32 years. To draft the Indian Constitution, the Assembly so constituted had taken 165 days in sitting, covering into 11 sessions and 114 days were spent on the consideration the Draft of the Constitution.Can we have names of more then 10 members?

Jat Sikshan Sansthan ke 15512 Member hain aur iske member Pakistan me bhi hain


Is haryana me har 5 saal me 90 Vidhayak bante hain 10 baar election me lagbhag 800 to bane hi honge!

Sansad to merekhyal iste kayi guna faltu bane honge.


Mantri ke gungaan karaniye thode e log dekhe hain manne.

Manne sirf itna bata tari kime naukri nakri ki baat banan lag rahi to mein bhi raji hoon ar full hunkare bharunga ar na to kyun angli ghisawe hai.

[RavinderSura]

Je Mama CM na banta to Nana ke tu kite na fuljhadi bandhta. Bakhat Bakhat ki baat he na to tau ne pooch le je naam bhi bera ho to.

On 14th July, 1947, a Constituent Assembly of India was formed consisting 389 members to draft the Indian Constitution, out of which Ch. Ranbir Singh was lone staunch Haryanvi memberat the young age of 32 years. To draft the Indian Constitution, the Assembly so constituted had taken 165 days in sitting, covering into 11 sessions and 114 days were spent on the consideration the Draft of the Constitution.Can we have names of more then 10 members?

Jat Sikshan Sansthan ke 15512 Member hain aur iske member Pakistan me bhi hain


Is haryana me har 5 saal me 90 Vidhayak bante hain 10 baar election me lagbhag 800 to bane hi honge!

Sansad to merekhyal iste kayi guna faltu bane honge.


Mantri ke gungaan karaniye thode e log dekhe hain manne.

Manne sirf itna bata tari kime naukri nakri ki baat banan lag rahi to mein bhi raji hoon ar full hunkare bharunga ar na to kyun angli ghisawe hai.

मैंने पहले भी लिखा हैं की हमे सिर्फ जाट से मतलब हैं , देश का ठेका नहीं ....
छोटा मुह बड़ी बात के लिए मांफ़ी , ये मैंने के नौकरी देंगे उस नौकरी की तनख्वा जितना तो आए महीने मेरी रसोई मे चून लाग जा स .... इस सोच ने नौकरी त ऊपर भी उठा लो .....सारी उम्र इसे जमा जोड़ घटा मे काढ़ दियो अक फैलाना नौकरी ले जागा या फेर टिकेट ....

[HawaSinghSangwan]

My dear friends,
I was knowing the reactions some of you before loading the article “Untold Story of Ch. Ranbir Singh”. But as soon as the authentic records came to my hand in this regard, I have no hesitation to expose the truth because I was also with the opinion that Late. Ch. Ranbir Singh had done nothing in the Constituent Assembly and Late Ch. Bansi Lal had opposed for separate state of Haryana. Such of opinions are always being built whatever we have heard in the street gossip. Now, I feel proud that both of the leaders have done execellent works in this regard. Therefore, I have brought the truth before the friends.
Dears friends, I am not a member of any political party and nor be in future also because the politics is very dull subject for me. We should not blame any reader or a party until and unless we have some solid proofs about them.
I have never praised Nehru, Gandhi and the Congress because all they are responsible for the division of our Jatland. But now the Congress has since been little changed after 1990 because earlier the Congress was dominated mainly by the upper castes leaders. But after 1990, most of these people have shifted to the BJP. Moreover, we should not forget that our departed leaders were also in the Congress as under :-
1. Ch. Chhotu Ram w.e.f . 1916 to 1920 = 5 years and was also founder president of Distt, Rohtak.
2. Ch. Charan Singh w.e.f. 1929 to 1967 = 38 years.
3. Ch. Devi Lal w.e.f. 1929 to 1968 = 39 years.
4. Ch. Bansi Lal w.e.f. 1949 to 1989 = 40 years.
Therefore, no need to irritate.
Great achievement of the UPA Govt. is RTI which is a weapon for the citizens of India and we should use it to find out the facts and authentic informations.
Now there are two questions for my friends as under :-
1. There was a Jat leader who had shown black flags to our beloved departed leader Ch. Chhotu Ram, who was that Jat leader, when and where he had shown the black flags?
2. Which was the political party in Haryana who had opposed for separate state of Haryana?
Thanks.

[ravinderjeet]

चौं हवा सिंह सांग्वान जी ,आपने चौ.सुल्तान सिंह ,चौ.मादुराम और चौ.हरिराम फोगात की बारे में नही लिखा | क्या आप उनके बारे में जानते हैं ? इन्होंने भी कई ऊँचे पदों पर कम किया हे |
ये भी रोहतक से ही थे | चौ.रणबीर सिंह इनसे छोटे थे और इनकी छत्र छाया में ही बड़े हुए थे और इनके शिष्य थे | ये भी जाट थे | पर इनके बेटे मुख्यमंत्री नही बने थे ,शायद आप इसलिए इनके बारे में नही जानते होंगे |

[rskankara]

सांगवान जी, मुझ जैसे गैर-हरियाणवी जाट को आपकी पोस्ट बहुत पसंद आई, जानकारी साझा करने के लिए धन्यवाद...... हो सकता है कोई मेम्बर इन दोनों प्रश्नो के उत्तर देगा, अन्यथा एक-दो दिन के बाद आप कृपया बताए॥

My dear friends,
.........1. There was a Jat leader who had shown black flags to our beloved departed leader Ch. Chhotu Ram, who was that Jat leader, when and where he had shown the black flags?
2. Which was the political party in Haryana who had opposed for separate state of Haryana?
Thanks........

[RavinderSura]

चौं हवा सिंह सांग्वान जी ,आपने चौ.सुल्तान सिंह ,चौ.मादुराम और चौ.हरिराम फोगात की बारे में नही लिखा | क्या आप उनके बारे में जानते हैं ? इन्होंने भी कई ऊँचे पदों पर कम किया हे |
ये भी रोहतक से ही थे | चौ.रणबीर सिंह इनसे छोटे थे और इनकी छत्र छाया में ही बड़े हुए थे और इनके शिष्य थे | ये भी जाट थे | पर इनके बेटे मुख्यमंत्री नही बने थे ,शायद आप इसलिए इनके बारे में नही जानते होंगे |
ईसा माड़ा मन क्यो करो सो इनपे भी लिखा जाएगा , वैसे भी समय समय पर कई जाट नेता व संतो पर अपनी किताब व लेखो मे लिखा हैं उनके बाबू मुख्यमंत्री कोणी थे |शांति रखो इबे समय की किल्लत स आगे आगे देखो के के मिलेगा पढ़न न :)
सेठ छाजुराम पर भी लिखा उनकी मूर्ति लगवाई जब किसी ने नहीं कहा , उनका के बाबू मुख्यमंत्री था |
किसी ने इन नेताओ से नहीं कहा की एक मूर्ति उस महान जाट की भी लगवा दो , सबके अपने अपने बाबू की मूर्ति लगवान की होड़ लगी हुई हैं | अब तक सेठ छाजुराम की मूर्ति सिर्फ जाट कालेज हिसार मे लगी हुई थी जो की सेठ छाजुराम की खुद की ज़मीन पर बना हुआ हैं | हरियाणा मे किसी सार्वजनिक स्थान पर सेठ छाजुराम की यह पहली मूर्ति लगी हैं उसके बाद रोहतक जाट कालेज संस्था मे लगी हैं | और इस माहन जाट की मूर्ति लगवाने की पर्मिशन भी इसी हुड्डा सरकार मे और हुड्डा साहब ने खुद दी थी |

[spdeshwal]

चौं हवा सिंह सांग्वान जी ,आपने चौ.सुल्तान सिंह ,चौ.मादुराम और चौ.हरिराम फोगात की बारे में नही लिखा | क्या आप उनके बारे में जानते हैं ? इन्होंने भी कई ऊँचे पदों पर कम किया हे |
ये भी रोहतक से ही थे | चौ.रणबीर सिंह इनसे छोटे थे और इनकी छत्र छाया में ही बड़े हुए थे और इनके शिष्य थे | ये भी जाट थे | पर इनके बेटे मुख्यमंत्री नही बने थे ,शायद आप इसलिए इनके बारे में नही जानते होंगे |

Ravinder bhai, could you please, through some light on the contribution of these three leaders and how they were senior of Sh. Ranbir singh! How the Guru Shishya relationship is established?

[DrRajpalSingh]

My dear friends,
I was knowing the reactions some of you before loading the article “Untold Story of Ch. Ranbir Singh”. But as soon as the authentic records came to my hand in this regard, I have no hesitation to expose the truth because I was also with the opinion that Late. Ch. Ranbir Singh had done nothing in the Constituent Assembly and Late Ch. Bansi Lal had opposed for separate state of Haryana. Such of opinions are always being built whatever we have heard in the street gossip. Now, I feel proud that both of the leaders have done execellent works in this regard. Therefore, I have brought the truth before the friends.
Dears friends, I am not a member of any political party and nor be in future also because the politics is very dull subject for me. We should not blame any reader or a party until and unless we have some solid proofs about them.
I have never praised Nehru, Gandhi and the Congress because all they are responsible for the division of our Jatland. But now the Congress has since been little changed after 1990 because earlier the Congress was dominated mainly by the upper castes leaders. But after 1990, most of these people have shifted to the BJP. Moreover, we should not forget that our departed leaders were also in the Congress as under :-
1. Ch. Chhotu Ram w.e.f . 1916 to 1920 = 5 years and was also founder president of Distt, Rohtak.
2. Ch. Charan Singh w.e.f. 1929 to 1967 = 38 years.
3. Ch. Devi Lal w.e.f. 1929 to 1968 = 39 years.
4. Ch. Bansi Lal w.e.f. 1949 to 1989 = 40 years.
Therefore, no need to irritate.
Great achievement of the UPA Govt. is RTI which is a weapon for the citizens of India and we should use it to find out the facts and authentic informations.
Now there are two questions for my friends as under :-
1. There was a Jat leader who had shown black flags to our beloved departed leader Ch. Chhotu Ram, who was that Jat leader, when and where he had shown the black flags?
2. Which was the political party in Haryana who had opposed for separate state of Haryana?
Thanks.


Jaton ko jodane ke liya ek achhi shuruat !!

[cutejaatsandeep]

चौं हवा सिंह सांग्वान जी ,आपने चौ.सुल्तान सिंह ,चौ.मादुराम और चौ.हरिराम फोगात की बारे में नही लिखा | क्या आप उनके बारे में जानते हैं ? इन्होंने भी कई ऊँचे पदों पर कम किया हे |
ये भी रोहतक से ही थे | चौ.रणबीर सिंह इनसे छोटे थे और इनकी छत्र छाया में ही बड़े हुए थे और इनके शिष्य थे | ये भी जाट थे | पर इनके बेटे मुख्यमंत्री नही बने थे ,शायद आप इसलिए इनके बारे में नही जानते होंगे |
bhai saab abhi inke baare mai nahhi leekha jayega..2014 mai haryana mai election hai abhi saraa concentration sirf ranbir singh ke upar hai:)

[DrRajpalSingh]

.................................................. ...................
Now there are two questions for my friends as under :-
1. There was a Jat leader who had shown black flags to our beloved departed leader Ch. Chhotu Ram, who was that Jat leader, when and where he had shown the black flags?
2. Which was the political party in Haryana who had opposed for separate state of Haryana?
Thanks.

Yah Ek aitihasik ghatana hai aap sachi baat ko likhne se bach kyon rahe ho. Itihaskar ka kaam sachi ghatnawon ka jyo ka tyon varanan karana hota hai !

The replies are as under:

1. The born rebel against the anti farmer outfits, Jan nayak Chaudhary Devi Lal, the former Dy Prime minister of India, showed black flags and shouted slogans against Sir Chaudhary Chhotu Ram ji, the Unionist Party leader and Revenue Minister Punjab, when during the course of Freedom movement and Farmers' Struggle the later went to the Haveli of Ch. Godara of Chautal village, who was working against the interests of the farmers and supporting the British bureaucratic machinery in suppression of the freedom struggle.

Neither Jan Nayak nor Deen Bandhu considered it as a serious thing and their relations remained normal because both had maturity of ideas and represented the ideology and policy of their respective political parties.

! ! Donon Mahan Jat netaon ko naman !!

Do you consider it a sin to show black flags to lodge protest against him at that time or not !

2. Communist Party of India was one of the political parties to do so.

[VirJ]

My dear friends,
I was knowing the reactions some of you before loading the article “Untold Story of Ch. Ranbir Singh”. But as soon as the authentic records came to my hand in this regard, I have no hesitation to expose the truth because I was also with the opinion that Late. Ch. Ranbir Singh had done nothing in the Constituent Assembly and Late Ch. Bansi Lal had opposed for separate state of Haryana. Such of opinions are always being built whatever we have heard in the street gossip. Now, I feel proud that both of the leaders have done execellent works in this regard. Therefore, I have brought the truth before the friends.
Dears friends, I am not a member of any political party and nor be in future also because the politics is very dull subject for me. We should not blame any reader or a party until and unless we have some solid proofs about them.
I have never praised Nehru, Gandhi and the Congress because all they are responsible for the division of our Jatland. But now the Congress has since been little changed after 1990 because earlier the Congress was dominated mainly by the upper castes leaders. But after 1990, most of these people have shifted to the BJP. Moreover, we should not forget that our departed leaders were also in the Congress as under :-
1. Ch. Chhotu Ram w.e.f . 1916 to 1920 = 5 years and was also founder president of Distt, Rohtak.
2. Ch. Charan Singh w.e.f. 1929 to 1967 = 38 years.
3. Ch. Devi Lal w.e.f. 1929 to 1968 = 39 years.
4. Ch. Bansi Lal w.e.f. 1949 to 1989 = 40 years.
Therefore, no need to irritate.
Great achievement of the UPA Govt. is RTI which is a weapon for the citizens of India and we should use it to find out the facts and authentic informations.
Now there are two questions for my friends as under :-
1. There was a Jat leader who had shown black flags to our beloved departed leader Ch. Chhotu Ram, who was that Jat leader, when and where he had shown the black flags?
2. Which was the political party in Haryana who had opposed for separate state of Haryana?
Thanks.

Hawasingh JI Appreciate that you have replied otherwise its normally a dull monologue from Ravinder Sura ji or Rinku ji on your behalf.

Are you saying that just because some high caste people (I am assuming you are refering to some Bhaman, panjabi) moved to BJP all the ills of congress also moved with them and now congress is a better party? At least in haryana caste wise (on top level) things are similar. There was Devilal, Bansilal, Bhajanlal once and now there is Hooda and in centre there is still the same family. If you look at their politics not much difference. Same Vote bank politics, minority appeasement.

Another thing is Pakistan punjab is proposed to be further divided but there is no Nehru involved?

RTI has been provided by UPA (congress) yes becuase they couldnt say no to the pressure which was building up. They cant take all the credit same way as BJP cant take all the credit for nuclear tests.The credit for RTI goes to those citizens who forced congress to provide RTI. This is the same congress who blocked so many books articles on China war, Blue Star just to protect one family.

Thanks

[DrRajpalSingh]

Need of new thread to discuss other issues not related to the theme of the thread.

For proper understanding of the Partition of India in 1947, one has to trace the historical growth of various conditions like growth of communal politics,various twists and turns in our national movement of freedom, the British attitude and reaction towards the emerging situation, changes in perception of Indian situation in the eyes of world powers of those days and cobweb of socio-economic and political pressure on the British government of the day and last but not the least, the role of the leadership; these factors could be critically analysed before blaming this or that person because the leaders themselves seem to have been caught unaware under the fast emerging objective and immediate conditions on the eve of declaration of the British to free India by June 1948, which under the threat of the fall out of communal frenzy and other factors they changed unilaterally to 15th August, 1947.

The denial of the role of this historic process could only lead to blame or not this leader or the other; but this post may be taken neither as a defense nor blame to any person/s.

Before blaming or praising any one we must remember history is a also considered as a two sided sharp razor which must be used cautiously.

Thanks

NB : I think, the present thread on Ch. Ranbir Singh has nothing to do with the issue of Partition of the country. A separate thread is being started on the issue share your studies under the thread :Causes that led to Partition of India in 1947

[rinkusheoran]

Y Jan nayak Chaudhary Devi Lal, the former Dy Prime minister of India, .

Rajpalji, Ch Devilal ko unke rajnitic supporters ne hi Jannayak kahan hai bas, kisne dia ye title thoda bataogey?

[rinkusheoran]

Hawasingh JI Appreciate that you have replied otherwise its normally a dull monologue from Ravinder Sura ji or Rinku ji on your behalf.

Are you saying that just because some high caste people (I am assuming you are refering to some Bhaman, panjabi) moved to BJP all the ills of congress also moved with them and now congress is a better party? At least in haryana caste wise (on top level) things are similar. There was Devilal, Bansilal, Bhajanlal once and now there is Hooda and in centre there is still the same family. If you look at their politics not much difference. Same Vote bank politics, minority appeasement.

Another thing is Pakistan punjab is proposed to be further divided but there is no Nehru involved?

RTI has been provided by UPA (congress) yes becuase they couldnt say no to the pressure which was building up. They cant take all the credit same way as BJP cant take all the credit for nuclear tests.The credit for RTI goes to those citizens who forced congress to provide RTI. This is the same congress who blocked so many books articles on China war, Blue Star just to protect one family.

Thanks

Virj,In some other thread Samar has already mentioned it is not possible for Sangwan sahab to reply on each and every thread himself as he is too busy with things that are much more important.

When RavinderSura or me replies to you , you consider that as monologue so i have suggestion for you. Talk over phone to Ch Hawa Singh sangwanji and his number is 09416056145.

[VirJ]

I guess we all are busy in our own life with things which are more important than replying on Jatland. Considering how busy he is I just appreciated that he has taken the pain to reply in the thread. No one is forced to do so. It is just a moral responcibility of a writer to answer/clarify comment raised on his write ups.

Does he has time to say I am too busy in life and wont be actively replying to my posts and RinkuSheoran is my offical spokesman and will take care of questions raised?

We are not even sure if you are authorised to comment on his behalf. I will call him if there is a need. In my opinion a question raised related to post written on this platform should be answered here.

[rinkusheoran]

I guess we all are busy in our own life with things which are more important than replying on Jatland. Considering how busy he is I just appreciated that he has taken the pain to reply in the thread. No one is forced to do so. It is just a moral responcibility of a writer to answer/clarify comment raised on his write ups.

Does he has time to say I am too busy in life and wont be actively replying to my posts and RinkuSheoran is my offical spokesman and will take care of questions raised?

We are not even sure if you are authorised to comment on his behalf. I will call him if there is a need. In my opinion a question raised related to post written on this platform should be answered here.

You are thinking and guessing about being busy but i can vouch for Ch Hawasingh Sangwanji that he is too busy not in his work but for the people like me and you.

I think you are one step ahead taking things in a different way, i said i have a suggestion where as i never said i'm the official spokesman but again you have your own perception. baat nai kadde sidhi bhi le lia kar n i just gave you a better way of communicating if you are really interested and Who knows the replies you are getting might be from a person authorized to write here??

[VirJ]

I think its stretching bit longer than expected. All I wanted to say is:

1. Everyone's time has value, understand that. If he is doing something to improve life of people like me its good !! But I am doing ok on my own at the moment. Even Obama has to come out to clarify his decisions/statements sometimes. He isnt writing about himself. He is expressing views about others so its absolutely normal for people to raise a question for further clarification. I dont see any urgency to call him at this stage. If he doesnt have time to clarify its Ok. When I am too desperate to get a reply I might call him.

2. If he can upload those write ups he can also write that he has time issue and cannot answer all questions. So people may not even ask the questions.

3. I just asked to clarify does he ask you to reply or do you reply on your own. Are these your views or his? Is it too much to ask?

Cheers........

[sunnytewatia]

For Mr Hawa Singh Sangwan ji - Sir, though I am much younger to you and can only think of learning from you instead of otherwise. You are an icon of struggle and persistance for our community. you hv always said that you dont wish to join politics and you hv a huge fan following among jats. Please be cautious about writing anything which can destroy your reputation among masses. May be you are right about Mister Ranbir Singh ( though I have my own reservations on truthfulness of it), but still if yourself are writing this, it is definitely going to be understood differently and time and again you will have to clarify yoruself.
There have been several cases in the past where pople like you were misused / misquoted. So please beware - not only for yourself but for the better cause of this community - this battle for reservation is not yet over. As I mentioned in my earlier posts - no SDM in haryana is even given guidelines to issue state level OBC certificates to Jats. Hence no one has even got any benefit yet. So please focus on the great cause and ignore the glorification, even if it is 100% truth. Let others do it.

Also, please write on your own as much as you can on this website. Else, kindly nominate someone officially to write on your behalf.

As of now, there are few folks who defend each and every line of yours and write very agressively on your threads - without sensing and realizing that they are disconnecting masses from you through their agressive reply - rather than adding more people to the noble cause.May be their lack of 'Public Relations' knowledge. That is why Sonia Gandhi has soft spoken Ahmed Patel as her PA / PRO and not bad-mouthed Digvijay Singh OR Manish Tiwari. Mr Hooda always brings Prof Virender with him to set the dialogue with masses and to connect people. You are a public figure of good stature now and hence need to be careful about it - both through your write ups as well through people who "try" to represent yourself.

This is just my thinking on this thread. Kindly ignore if you do not like it.
No offenses to anyone.

[DrRajpalSingh]

Rajpalji, Ch Devilal ko unke rajnitic supporters ne hi Jannayak kahan hai bas, kisne dia ye title thoda bataogey?


Mahapurushun ko naam Pundit ki Zantri mein dekh kar nahin diya jate.


Kuchha udaharan parstut hain :

Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose was first to address Mohan Das Karam Chand Gandhi as 'Father of the Nation.'

Mahatma Gandhi addressed shri Vallabh Bhai Patel as Sardar after Bardoli peasant movement in Gujrat;

He was also known as Lohapurush for his contribution in dealing with integretion of the native princely states in India after independence.

Khijar Hayat Khan, the then C M of Unionist party led Punjab Government, addressed for the first time our beloved Sir Ch. Chhotu Ram as Rahabar-I-Azam and Deen Bandhu.

And in this way list can be enlarged to several pages.

[sunnytewatia]

A very nice response.



Mahapurushun ko naam Pundit ki Zantri mein dekh kar nahin diya jate.


Kuchha udaharan parstut hain :

Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose was first to address Mohan Das Karam Chand Gandhi as 'Father of the Nation.'

Mahatma Gandhi addressed shri Vallabh Bhai Patel as Sardar after Bardoli peasant movement in Gujrat;

He was also known as Lohapurush for his contribution in dealing with integretion of the native princely states in India after independence.

Khijar Hayat Khan, the then C M of Unionist party led Punjab Government, addressed for the first time our beloved Sir Ch. Chhotu Ram as Rahabar-I-Azam and Deen Bandhu.

And in this way list can be enlarged to several pages.

[rinkusheoran]

Mahapurushun ko naam Pundit ki Zantri mein dekh kar nahin diya jate.


Kuchha udaharan parstut hain :

Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose was first to address Mohan Das Karam Chand Gandhi as 'Father of the Nation.'

Mahatma Gandhi addressed shri Vallabh Bhai Patel as Sardar after Bardoli peasant movement in Gujrat;

He was also known as Lohapurush for his contribution in dealing with integretion of the native princely states in India after independence.

Khijar Hayat Khan, the then C M of Unionist party led Punjab Government, addressed for the first time our beloved Sir Ch. Chhotu Ram as Rahabar-I-Azam and Deen Bandhu.

And in this way list can be enlarged to several pages.

You told about about others infact gave the people name who gave them title but didn't said who gave Jannayak title to ch Devilal, was it Ch OP chautala? Basilal? Hooda? who? I do agree on the title to Sardar patel and Ch Chhoturam but again have my reservation on Mahatma tile to gandhi.

[rinkusheoran]

I think its stretching bit longer than expected. All I wanted to say is:

1. Everyone's time has value, understand that. If he is doing something to improve life of people like me its good !! But I am doing ok on my own at the moment. Even Obama has to come out to clarify his decisions/statements sometimes. He isnt writing about himself. He is expressing views about others so its absolutely normal for people to raise a question for further clarification. I dont see any urgency to call him at this stage. If he doesnt have time to clarify its Ok. When I am too desperate to get a reply I might call him.

2. If he can upload those write ups he can also write that he has time issue and cannot answer all questions. So people may not even ask the questions.

3. I just asked to clarify does he ask you to reply or do you reply on your own. Are these your views or his? Is it too much to ask?

Cheers........

yes you are right that it s overstretching but why i suggested you to call Ch Hawasingh ji?Because in the one of the above post you said it is a monologue from me or ravindersure in his behalf which was not needed at all.

Even when obama comes out you wont say it was joe biden till now replying on your behalf or will you? Vo suni hai na ki kisi ko utna hi maro jitna khud sehan kar sako. I dont want to divert this thread which we have already done.

enjoy!

[nrao]

Mahapurushun ko naam Pundit ki Zantri mein dekh kar nahin diya jate.

Kuchha udaharan parstut hain :

Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose was first to address Mohan Das Karam Chand Gandhi as 'Father of the Nation.'

Mahatma Gandhi addressed shri Vallabh Bhai Patel as Sardar after Bardoli peasant movement in Gujrat;

He was also known as Lohapurush for his contribution in dealing with integretion of the native princely states in India after independence.

Khijar Hayat Khan, the then C M of Unionist party led Punjab Government, addressed for the first time our beloved Sir Ch. Chhotu Ram as Rahabar-I-Azam and Deen Bandhu.

And in this way list can be enlarged to several pages.


You told about about others infact gave the people name who gave them title but didn't said who gave Jannayak title to ch Devilal, was it Ch OP chautala? Basilal? Hooda? who? I do agree on the title to Sardar patel and Ch Chhoturam but again have my reservation on Mahatma tile to gandhi.

We had a little discussion on Mahatma title for Gandhiji, back in April last year (#7):
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?34092-Centre-Has-No-Info-About-When-Gandhi-Became-Father-Of-The-Nation-!!!!!!!!&p=301884&viewfull=1#post301884

[VirJ]

Even when obama comes out you wont say it was joe biden till now replying on your behalf or will you? Vo suni hai na ki kisi ko utna hi maro jitna khud sehan kar sako.
enjoy!

Since you asked, I dont know whether you are refering to any particular incident or asking more in general. I dont know much about USA'a internal politics but I can say that Its very rare for someone like Joe Biden to clarify the (non political) personal views of Obama. He may clarify the govt policies of which he is a part. In any case are you Joe Biden to Mr Hawasingh?

I have heard this saying but I dont why are you quoting it here? It doesnt matter to me that thread has lost its direction because the author would not return to discuss. It was meant to be a good read. That is it.

[rinkusheoran]

Since you asked, I dont know whether you are refering to any particular incident or asking more in general. I dont know much about USA'a internal politics but I can say that Its very rare for someone like Joe Biden to clarify the (non political) personal views of Obama. He may clarify the govt policies of which he is a part. In any case are you Joe Biden to Mr Hawasingh?

I have heard this saying but I dont why are you quoting it here? It doesnt matter to me that thread has lost its direction because the author would not return to discuss. It was meant to be a good read. That is it.

i asked that in general but again you have your own perception (that is going only in one direction) which i can not and in fact dont want to change.No need to tll that it does not matter to you whether thread has lost its direction or not , that is obvious and if you are interested to talking to me not in thread then you can PM me or call me on my cell on 001-401-636-2655

[DrRajpalSingh]

You told about about others infact gave the people name who gave them title but didn't said who gave Jannayak title to ch Devilal, was it Ch OP chautala? Basilal? Hooda? who? I do agree on the title to Sardar patel and Ch Chhoturam but again have my reservation on Mahatma tile to gandhi.

Friend,

I have not heard the name 'Basilal', perhaps, you have used this word erroneously for Chaydhary Bansi Lal, the former Chief Minister of Haryana.

If this identification is acceptable to you, for sure, he did not address Ch. Devi Lal as Jananayak.

Regarding Ch O P Chautala and Ch. B.S. Hooda, you can ask either of them or

both of them to seek the required information as I am not supposed to do so on your behest.

When you find out information to your entire satisfaction [ of course with no reservation in your mind ], regarding Jananayak and Father of the Nation,

kindly do not forget to share your research with us.

Whatever meager information I had with me on the issue, I have had posted.

Till you find your much liked information keep enjoying your reservations and de-reservations.

Thanks !

P S : Since Ch. Ranbir Singh Hooda [ of course having other contributions to his share] was not concerned in awarding this title to any of the two persons, then what is the relevance of this discussion with the topic of the thread ? Kindly elaborate.

[VirJ]

i asked that in general but again you have your own perception (that is going only in one direction) which i can not and in fact dont want to change.No need to tll that it does not matter to you whether thread has lost its direction or not , that is obvious and if you are interested to talking to me not in thread then you can PM me or call me on my cell on 001-401-636-2655

I dont have any perception. I was asking are you refering Obama and Joe Biden in a particular reference or it is more in general. Here we were talking about once particular issue so its natural to link your example to that.

Anyway brother if need arise I will call u/PM to discuss this.

Take care

[rinkusheoran]

Friend,

I have not heard the name 'Basilal', perhaps, you have used this word erroneously for Chaydhary Bansi Lal, the former Chief Minister of Haryana.

If this identification is acceptable to you, for sure, he did not address Ch. Devi Lal as Jananayak.

Regarding Ch O P Chautala and Ch. B.S. Hooda, you can ask either of them or

both of them to seek the required information as I am not supposed to do so on your behest.

When you find out information to your entire satisfaction [ of course with no reservation in your mind ], regarding Jananayak and Father of the Nation,

kindly do not forget to share your research with us.

Whatever meager information I had with me on the issue, I have had posted.

Till you find your much liked information keep enjoying your reservations and de-reservations.

Thanks !

P S : Since Ch. Ranbir Singh Hooda [ of course having other contributions to his share] was not concerned in awarding this title to any of the two persons, then what is the relevance of this discussion with the topic of the thread ? Kindly elaborate.

first of all i didnt USED Bansilal instead it was typo and you are making assumption here that i used it intentionally and trying to divert the question i asked you. Kindly don't try put it in a way that i used intentionally. Why i asked because You used title of Jannayak for Ch Devilal and i'm very much curious and even same has been asked by many non jat friend as well why and who gave him this title so to find that out i asked about it because you have written a book on him and more than often you uses this title for him. Unfortunately you told about others but not Ch Devilal.When you can ask about who opposed Dinbandhu chhoturam on this thread and i replied to you but when some one ask you you try to avoid it.

can't i ask this thing from you?you didnt answer it on other thread as well. If you want me to start another to ask this question i can do that as well.

and when you have reservation for a particular party or person that does not mean everyone else is having the same. Meri research to jannayak k title pe yahi hai ki sirf uski party k logon ne kahan n party supporter hi maante hai kyunki kalam se unhone kya kia iska kahin kuch mila nhi aajtak.

[DrRajpalSingh]

first of all i didnt USED Bansilal instead it was typo and you are making assumption here that i used it intentionally and trying to divert the question i asked you. Kindly don't try put it in a way that i used intentionally. Why i asked because You used title of Jannayak for Ch Devilal .
.................. Meri research to jannayak k title pe yahi hai ki sirf uski party k logon ne kahan n party supporter hi maante hai kyunki kalam se unhone kya kia iska kahin kuch mila nhi aajtak.

16 varsh ki aayu mein desh ki azadi ke liye jail Jana; 86 varsh ki ayu mein antim sansh lene se pahle Rohtak zile mein Ole girne se kishanon ki fasal ko hui hani ki MP Ch. Inder Singh se jankari lene wale Vyakti ko Maha Purush nahin to kya kaha jayega !!!

Woh Jananayak the aur rahenge !!!


Jan Nayak Chaudhary Devi Lal per bahut si prakshit Pushtakon mein samgri uplabadh hai jismein hundreds leaders ke lekh lage hue hain. Anek Pradhan Mantri, kuch Rashtrpati, darzan bhar Mukhya Manti, anek Freedom Fighters, Bahut sari national aur prantiya rajneetik parties ke neta gana, un sabke lekh Chaudhry Devi Lal ke lagbhag 70 varsha ke Public life ke baare mein hain. Unko padhne ke baad hi unke jeewan aur darshan ko samjha ja sakta hai.

Vastava mein Chaudhary Devi Lal, Jan Nayak the aur Man of Masses ke rup mein desh /videsh mein unki chhavi thee aur aaj bhi unke dwara armbha kiye gaye BUDHAPA PENSION SCHEME, KAAM KE BAADLE ANAZ YOJNA, KAARZA MUAFI KI AWAJ UTHANA, BEROJGARI BHATTA DENE KI ZAROORAT, SSTUDENTS KE LIYE CONCENSIONAL BUS PASS, MATCHING GRANT SCHEMES, HARIJAN CHOPAL SCHEME, ITIYADI SCHEMES KO HARYANA AUR DESH KEE ANYA PARANTIYE SARKARON NE APNE APNE DHANG SE LAGOO KIYA HAI.

YAH UNKI DURGAMI SOCH AUR JANATA KE DUKH DARD DOOR KARANE KEE TADAF PRADRISHAT KARANE KE LIYE KAFI HAI.

Jana Nayak Ko NAMAN !!!

[DrRajpalSingh]

Aaj Chaudhary Chhaju Ram, Chaudhry Chhotu Ram, Chaudhry Devi Lal, Chaudhry, Bansi Lal, Chaudhry Charan Singh, Raja Mahendra Pratap, S. Bhagat Singh aur anek Jaat Mahapurushon ke adhure sapano ko karya roop dene ki disha mein aage badhane aur unke adhure karyon ko pura karane ki zaroorat hai. Unki taang khichai kee nahin !

Woh sabhi Mahaan the, Mahan Rahenge !

[DrRajpalSingh]

Aaj Chaudhary Chhaju Ram, Chaudhry Chhotu Ram, Chaudhry Devi Lal, Chaudhry, Bansi Lal, Chaudhry Charan Singh, Raja Mahendra Pratap, S. Bhagat Singh aur anek Jaat Mahapurushon ke adhure sapano ko karya roop dene ki disha mein aage badhane aur unke adhure karyon ko pura karane ki zaroorat hai. Unki taang khichai kee nahin !

Woh sabhi Mahaan the, Mahan Rahenge !

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[sunnytewatia]

first of all i didnt USED Bansilal instead it was typo .

Sorry for the correction mate, but couldn't resist from pointing out that you can use "first form" of a verb after did / didn't. For example - 'I didn't use....'.

[sunnytewatia]

ranbir singh's whole story is now told or something still untold?