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VirJ
July 27th, 2013, 01:38 PM
कांग्रेस (और कांग्रेसियों) द्वारा अक्सर ये प्रचार किया जाता हे के वो ही असली धरम निरपेक्ष पार्टी हे और भाजपा सबसे बड़ी सांप्रदायिक पार्टी हे. नरेन्दर मोदी के आने के बाद से ये प्रचार और भी तेज़ हो गया हे. कांग्रेस को पता हे के उसमे कोई ऐसा विशेष गुण नही हे जिसके आधार पर वोट माँगा जा सके तो क्यों ना लोगों मे सांप्रदायिकता का ऐसा डर बेठा दिया जाए के कोई और विकल्प ही ना रहे. कहा जाता हे नरेन्दर मोदी आ गये तो मुसलमानो का शोषण बढ जाएगा, जिसके कारण उग्रवाद बढ़ेगा और देश टूट जाएगा. ऐसा नही हे के भाजपा पहली बार आ रही हे और ये बातें हमने पहले नही सुनी. लेकिन ये देखना ज़रूरी हे के देश को बाँटने वाली सबसे बड़ी पार्टी आख़िर कौनसी हे, देश को असली ख़तरा हे किससे. हममे से कोई भी ऐसे पार्टी को वोट नही करना चाहेगा जो दंगा फ़साद करवाए, भेदभाव और बढ़ाए.

कांग्रेस की धरम निरपेक्षता को समझने के लिए हमे उसके इतिहास मे जाना होगा. कांग्रेस की स्थापना साम्राज्येवादी अँग्रेज़ों द्वारा की गयी थी. जिसका मूल मकसद था हिंदुस्तानियों को बहका के रखना. कांग्रेस की नीति आज भी यही हे जनता को बावला बनाए रखना. कांग्रेस अपने को मुसलमानो का पेरोकार बताती हे परंतु जब जिन्हा ने मुसलमान बहुल प्रांतों मे सावयता की माँग करी तो उसे ठुकरा दिया और देश के विभाजन को सवीकार कर लिया. जिससे बड़ी संख्या मे केवल मुसलमान ही नही हिंदू भी मारे गये. जब देश बाँट ही गया तो पटेल साब ने सारे मुसलमानों को पाक भेजने का प्रस्ताव रखा जिसे कांग्रेस ने ठुकरा दिया और कहा की ये देश मुसलमानों का भी हे और उनका भला भी हिन्दुस्तान मे ही हे, आज ६० साल मे हम देख सकते हे के मुसलमानों का कांग्रेस ने कितना भला किया हे. उसे मुसलमानो की याद सिर्फ़ चुनाव के वक़्त आती हे. गाँधी ने भाँप लिया था के कांग्रेस के नेता सिर्फ़ सता के लालची हे इसीलिए वो कांग्रेस को भंग करना चाहते थे.

गाँधी की बात को सच साबित करने मे ज़्यादा वक़्त भी नही लगा. कांग्रेस का भ्रष्टाचार सामने आने लगा. कांग्रेस के ही दामाद ने उनपर गंभीर आरोप लगाने शुरू कर दिए. जो कांग्रेस दावा करती थी के उन्होने इस देश को आज़ादी दिलवाई वही कांग्रेस अब अपने व्यापारी मित्रों के साथ मिलकर देश को लूटने लग गयी. इसी नीति के चलते पूर्वी इलाक़ों मे प्रकर्तिक संसाधनों का शोषण शुरू हो गया जिससे नक्सलवाद का देश मे जन्म हुआ. और इस नक्सलवाद से कितने लोगों की मृत्यू हुई ये किसी से छुपी नही हे यही नही इससे देश की आंतरिक सुरक्षा भी कमजोर हुई.

कुछ लोग कहते हें के १९९२ से पहले सिर्फ़ कश्मीर मे ही आंतकवाद था. पर ये लोग भूल जाते हें के कश्मीर मे आंतकवाद क्यों शुरू हुआ. कांग्रेस ने फ़ारूक़ अब्दुल्लाह को गद्दी पर बिठा दिया जो कश्मीर का सबसे बड़ा गद्दार था. कांग्रेस ने कभी कश्मीर मसले हो हल करने की कौशिश नही की क्योंकि उन्हें तो इसपर राजनीति करनी हे. इसी का फ़ायदा पाकिस्तान ने उठाया और भारत मे आंतकवाद को बढ़ाया. कश्मीर के नाम पर पूरे विश्व मे मुसलमानो को भारत के खिलाफ भड़काया जाता हे और इसने हमारे रिस्ते भी कई मुसलमान देशों से खराब कर दिए. कांग्रेस की नीतियों के कारण पंजाब मे आंतकवाद का जन्म हुआ और सिख दंगे हुए. कितने बेगुनाह इसमे मारे गये. कांग्रेस ने तमिलों के खिलाफ सेना भेज कर तमिलों की भावनाओं को आहत किया. श्रीलंका से अधिक महत्वपूर्ण हमारे लिए तमिल होने चाहिए. अब आप ही बताइए जिस पार्टी के दो प्रधानमंत्री समुदाय विशेष दवारा उस समुदाय के साथ हुए जुल्मों का बदला लेने के लिए मार दिए गये हों क्या वो पार्टी सांप्रदायिक नही हे ? कांग्रेस ने हर जाती का राज के लिए इस्तेमाल किया और उसकी जाती विशेष नीति सिर्फ़ चुनाव को ध्यान मे रख कर बनाई जाती हे. इन्ही नीतियों के कारण छोटी छोटी पार्टियों का जनम हुआ. ऐसा नही हे के भाजपा सांपारदायिक नही हे पर कांग्रेस के मुक़ाबले इस खेल मे वो बच्ची हे और कम भ्रष्टाचारी हे. ये हमारा दुर्भाग्ये हे के हमारे विकल्प ऐसे हे पर ये भी सोचने की बात हे के हमारे विकल्प ऐसे क्यों हे क्या इसके दोषी हम खुद नही हे?

ravinderjeet
July 27th, 2013, 01:46 PM
कांग्रेस ------ बंदरों का समूह ।

कांग्रेस के राज में आज तक छोटे-बड़े ३३००० दंगे हुए हैं । जिसमे कई लाख लोग मारे गए हैं । कांग्रेस भारत के लिए पाकिस्तान और चीन से भी बड़ा ख़तरा हे ।

SALURAM
July 27th, 2013, 10:02 PM
congress party desh ko nasht kar rahi hain... desh ki sampati ko deemak ki tarah kha ke desh ko khokhla kar rahi hain....

desijat
July 27th, 2013, 10:25 PM
Salu bhai welcome back :triumphant:
congress party desh ko nasht kar rahi hain... desh ki sampati ko deemak ki tarah kha ke desh ko khokhla kar rahi hain....

rekhasmriti
July 27th, 2013, 10:46 PM
Welcome Back


congress party desh ko nasht kar rahi hain... desh ki sampati ko deemak ki tarah kha ke desh ko khokhla kar rahi hain....

swaich
July 27th, 2013, 11:11 PM
The Congress is a politically opportunistic party that can exploit any community or a communal angle for gaining power at whatever cost. The BJP is more brazen in its communal approach but it is no less opportunistic either. But here's a difference between the Congress and the BJP as eloquently explained by Mukul Kesavan in his article What about 1984? (http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130726/jsp/opinion/story_17155627.jsp#.UfQDXI1HKSt) in The Telegraph.



Let us return to our question, namely, “What makes Modi and the BJP worse than the Congress and its dynasts, given the horror of 1984?” The answer is simple and unedifying. The Congress, by a kind of historical default, is a pluralist party that is opportunistically communal while the BJP is an ideologically communal (or majoritarian) party that is opportunistically ‘secular’. The difference between the Congress and the BJP doesn’t lie mainly in the willingness of the former to express contrition about pogroms it helped organize; it is, perhaps, best illustrated by the fact that twenty years after the 1984 pogrom, the Congress assumed office with a Sikh at the helm who served as prime minister for two terms.



Try to imagine a BJP government headed by a Muslim ten years from now. It doesn’t work even as a thought experiment. And the reason it doesn’t work is that the BJP’s ideology is essentially the encrustation of prejudice around an inconvenient and irreducible fact: the substantial and undeferential presence of minority communities in the republic, specially Muslims who, for the sangh parivar, are the unfinished business of Partition. The idea that the BJP might appoint a Muslim head of government (as opposed to, say, the nomination of President Kalam to titular office) is unthinkable.



It doesn’t follow from this that Manmohan Singh’s prime ministership is a sign of the Congress’s political virtue; it isn’t. It is, if anything, a symptom of the dynastic dysfunction that has diminished the Congress. But the reason his prime ministership is possible is that the Congress isn’t ideologically committed to anti-Sikh bigotry (despite 1984) in the way that the BJP is committed to Hindu supremacy and the subordination of Muslims. That’s why Narendra Modi so excites the sangh parivar’s rank and file: the Gujarat Model is the BJP’s test run for India, and it isn’t the economics of it that sets the pulses of its cadres racing.



So the reason the dynastic Congress isn’t as dangerous as Modi’s BJP is dispiriting but straightforward: while the Congress is capable of communalism, it isn’t constituted by bigotry. With Modi, even when he’s talking economics and good governance, we get the “burqa of secularism” and Muslims as road kill. It’s not his fault; from the time that Golwalkar sketched out his vision of an India where religious minorities were docile helots, bigotry has been Hindutva’s calling card.

AbhikRana
July 27th, 2013, 11:56 PM
Articles by the Congress stooges like Mukul Kesavan are not to be taken seriously. There are number of them on the payrolls of the congress party including Kumar Ketkar, Vinod Sharma of HT, Sanjay Jha of Hamara Congress, Two muslim brothers who have their PR agency in Pune and do PR for Congress, countless so-called social activists, and other media personnel. In fact, it is an army of these pseudo - intellectuals and secularism - certifiers who are on the payroll of the Grand old Congress party.

Their cacophony is bound to grow as the elections near especially in the backdrop of the growing uneasiness, nervousness and despair in the Congress party with the growing stature of Modi as an alternative to the Dynastic rule of the 3C Congress party.


The Congress is a politically opportunistic party that can exploit any community or a communal angle for gaining power at whatever cost. The BJP is more brazen in its communal approach but it is no less opportunistic either. But here's a difference between the Congress and the BJP as eloquently explained by Mukul Kesavan in his article What about 1984? (http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130726/jsp/opinion/story_17155627.jsp#.UfQDXI1HKSt) in The Telegraph.

AbhikRana
July 28th, 2013, 12:05 AM
Congress gameplan: Play with fire (for votes) even if it is at the cost of the national security, integrity and amity.

Their own Minorities minister raises doubt about the very existence of Indian Mujahideen (IM), the very same dreaded IM which has indulged in countless dastardly acts of bloody violence and terror in the country, the very same IM which has been banned by the US, UK, NZ and Indian govts after conducting independent research respectively.

WHY DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MINORITY AFFAIRS MINISTRY AND MINISTER IN THE FIRST PLACE? To make these absurd, baseless and anti-national comments to prove that you are actually working for the muslims?

First Chidu coined the term Saffron terror which was music to the ears of notorious and wanted terrorists as Hafiz Saeed who went on to blame RSS for the terror in India and absolving himself and the entire Jamaat of terrorists (homegrown and foreign) of the terrorist acts that have taken place so far.

Now it is Rehman Khan who has blurted highly irresponsible and UNCONSTITUTIONAL (against the oath of his office) comments doubting the very existence of IM which has been banned by the Indian Govt. in the first place. It seems these Congress people are more a mouthpiece of the terrorists and less of the Indian Govt. and the Indian people.

And still they claim they have the right to give certificate of secularism to others!!!!!!!

swaich
July 28th, 2013, 12:10 AM
Articles by the Congress stooges like Mukul Kesavan are not to be taken seriously. There are number of them on the payrolls of the congress party including Kumar Ketkar, Vinod Sharma of HT, Sanjay Jha of Hamara Congress, Two muslim brothers who have their PR agency in Pune and do PR for Congress, countless so-called social activists, and other media personnel. In fact, it is an army of these pseudo - intellectuals and secularism - certifiers who are on the payroll of the Grand old Congress party.

Their cacophony is bound to grow as the elections near especially in the backdrop of the growing uneasiness, nervousness and despair in the Congress party with the growing stature of Modi as an alternative to the Dynastic rule of the 3C Congress party.

I believe you havent read the entire article. Its to your taste as it criticizes Congress for more than 70% of its length.

And I understand Sanjay Jha to be leading Congress' media strategy but what proof do you have that others or Mukul Kesavan are on the payrolls of Congress? Lets not issue certificates of partiality in just another attempt to disregard an article since it didnt sing praises of Modi.

AbhikRana
July 28th, 2013, 12:19 AM
These stooges in order to seem unbiased and impartial in their views and writings do take a potshot at the Congress. But that is only a by-product in the end product of BJP/Modi bashing!

With all that is happening around, you would still want proofs.

1. Countless scams.
2. Nation's money stashed away in Swiss bank accounts.
3. National security deliberately weakened by not procuring urgently needed weapons systems and spares.
4. Dividing the country on religious lines - 'separate criminal courts for muslims, IM does not exist'
5. Going soft on terror to appease a particular community.
6. Internal security weak - terrorists strike at will where they please and when they please.
7. Prices of ONE AND ALL the things going off the roof and still not stopping.
8. NO redressal of the grievances of the common man - literal dictatorship by the political establishment.

If you still want proof, then I think you are not living in the present times and we are interacting through a time machine with you living in the past and I in the present.


I believe you havent read the entire article. Its to your taste as it criticizes Congress for more than 70% of its length.

And I understand Sanjay Jha to be leading Congress' media strategy but what proof do you have that others or Mukul Kesavan are on the payrolls of Congress? Lets not issue certificates of partiality in just another attempt to disregard an article since it didnt sing praises of Modi.

AbhikRana
July 28th, 2013, 12:27 AM
WOULD WE STILL VOTE FOR THE CONGRESS PARTY???

Congress leaders including Dogvijay Singh doubting the veracity of Batla House encounter, thereby DEMEANING AND DENIGRATING the martyrdom of Inspector Sharma. In fact Singh even going down to Azamgarh (cradle and spring of terrorism according to media reports) to empathize with the family members of TERRORISTS.

Congress party coming out with a PENSION SCHEME for families of slain TERRORISTS where on the other hand there are numerous cases when defence personnel have had to fight for getting their pensions or getting their pensions on time. IS THIS A GOVT. FOR THE TERRORISTS OR THE SOLDIERS? We can all tell what impact it would have on the morale of the soldiers who give their TODAY for our TOMORROW.

And still we vote for Congress!!!!!!!!!!

desijat
July 28th, 2013, 04:06 AM
If reading were a habit, most of the people wont be so rhetorical in their replies.

On paid and biased media, the only 2 newspapers/media houses that are openly biased are Pioneer(Editor: Chandan Mitra along with Kanchan Gupta) and NitiCentral(Kanchan Gupta) so they should be the last folks to trash media, even if paid
I believe you havent read the entire article. Its to your taste as it criticizes Congress for more than 70% of its length.

And I understand Sanjay Jha to be leading Congress' media strategy but what proof do you have that others or Mukul Kesavan are on the payrolls of Congress? Lets not issue certificates of partiality in just another attempt to disregard an article since it didnt sing praises of Modi.

desijat
July 28th, 2013, 04:08 AM
How does that prove that Mukul Kesavan or any other journalist is on the payrolls of congress?

Food for thought: Almost all media houses have Ambani's stake in it and Ambani is best close to Modi.


These stooges in order to seem unbiased and impartial in their views and writings do take a potshot at the Congress. But that is only a by-product in the end product of BJP/Modi bashing!

With all that is happening around, you would still want proofs.

1. Countless scams.
2. Nation's money stashed away in Swiss bank accounts.
3. National security deliberately weakened by not procuring urgently needed weapons systems and spares.
4. Dividing the country on religious lines - 'separate criminal courts for muslims, IM does not exist'
5. Going soft on terror to appease a particular community.
6. Internal security weak - terrorists strike at will where they please and when they please.
7. Prices of ONE AND ALL the things going off the roof and still not stopping.
8. NO redressal of the grievances of the common man - literal dictatorship by the political establishment.

If you still want proof, then I think you are not living in the present times and we are interacting through a time machine with you living in the past and I in the present.

vicky84
July 28th, 2013, 04:24 AM
The Congress is a politically opportunistic party that can exploit any community or a communal angle for gaining power at whatever cost. The BJP is more brazen in its communal approach but it is no less opportunistic either. But here's a difference between the Congress and the BJP as eloquently explained by Mukul Kesavan in his article What about 1984? (http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130726/jsp/opinion/story_17155627.jsp#.UfQDXI1HKSt) in The Telegraph.
Yes BJP is worse. This party has a right wing stance and supported by well known fundamentalist. Even today, if you see, Modi has appointed his right hand Amit Shah to take care of UP. And as usual he talked about Ram Mandir in Ayodhya etc. They are there to stir up the religious sentiments and get some votes. They are not interested in welfare of common people. Sadly such people will divide country on religious lines.

singhvp
July 28th, 2013, 04:25 AM
Articles by the Congress stooges like Mukul Kesavan are not to be taken seriously. There are number of them on the payrolls of the congress party including Kumar Ketkar, Vinod Sharma of HT, Sanjay Jha of Hamara Congress, Two muslim brothers who have their PR agency in Pune and do PR for Congress, countless so-called social activists, and other media personnel. In fact, it is an army of these pseudo - intellectuals and secularism - certifiers who are on the payroll of the Grand old Congress party.

Their cacophony is bound to grow as the elections near especially in the backdrop of the growing uneasiness, nervousness and despair in the Congress party with the growing stature of Modi as an alternative to the Dynastic rule of the 3C Congress party.

Abhik, do you think all those who do not sing paeans of your favourite leader are saleable? Going by same analogy, those on the other side of the fence (including yourself) could also be saleable. It is characteristic of the brand of politics fancied by you and the flock to float conspiracy theories. Your writings suggest that India should have only ONE Political Party with just one individual running the roost with his whims and fancies and where contrarian views should be brutally suppressed by stripping the people of their right of expression. In the prevailing atmosphere it has become extremely difficult to write anything on social sites including on JL except for vitriolic criticism of the ruling party or hurling filthy sarcasm on its leaders. The simple reason being robust pugnacity of the fanatic followers of one particular stream of politics. It is a highly dangerous trend, - a precursor to Fascism. Arrogance has already starting creeping into young votaries and the fanatical faith-heads in anticipation of the election victory. Sensible and neutral analysts are disbelieved, heckled, abused, ridiculed and even threatened by the hoodlums. Even on JL some boys (some of them while flaunting their OZ credentials) have been wayward in their behaviour which should not be acceptable on a civilized forum. If this is the scenario even before your party coming to power, what will happen in the aftermath of coronation? Just an imagination of coming events has started scaring people having faith in democracy. It will be a doomsday for Indian democracy if lumpen elements are ever allowed to run this country. (May be your leader is oblivious of the activities of his blind followers who are doing more harm to him than benefit. I am sure, he would never endorse such kind of lumpenism). But, who knows, this kind of attitude may backfire and the peace-loving people might take due cognizance of this simmering undercurrent of dictatorship.
It is ridiculous that every political debate in India, especially on JL ends up to be - either pro-Congress or a pro-BJP. There could be people of conviction around (as opposed to both the parties) having independent ideas free from the pre-conceived ideological orientations who may not necessarily be working on the payroll of Congress as alleged by you.

AbhikRana
July 28th, 2013, 08:18 AM
VP ji, though I am getting from you are coming (your point), I need to correct you on a few points.

1. Not every discussion on JL is pro or against Congress/BJP. There are a few threads and rightly so on politics. Politics is part of our daily lives and affects each and everyone of us directly and indirectly whether it is going soft on terrorism, rising prices or reservation to muslims (minority appeasement). It is your individual choice whether to visit and contribute to those threads or not. Nobody forces you or me.

2. If you vehemently support the Congress party tooth and nail despite their numerous scams and spread of communalism by going soft on terror, reservation for muslims etc. then it is okay as per you. But if someone else supports BJP or Modi, they are blind followers. This is pretty hard to fathom.

3. I would consider it highly inappropriate to point fingers at fellow Jatlanders as hoodlums or lumpen elements. Because this would result in a slug-fest or tit-for-tat. After all, all of us have the right to express ourselves, but without pointing fingers at fellow JL brothers.

We all know the lumpenism and the kind of hoodlums the Congressies are. Take Salman Khurshid who while being a Central Govt. minister like a local goonda challenged Arvind Kejriwal to visit his hometown and return safely and in one - piece.

We all know the way Congress' ever youthful Raul baba shows his temper on stage by tearing and throwing away other party's manifesto.

We all know the whims and fancies of MADAM and Raul Baba with which this country is being run. They treat this country, its people and resources as their personal fiefdom. Nobody, not even the media dared to take up the Wadhra story till Arvind Kejriwal exposed how Wadhra made a fortune while dabbling in so-called land deals using privy govt. information and contacts. One or two previous attempts by the media were swiftly suppressed by the all so powerful (read criminal) party.

No party including the BJP is above the board in terms of corruption or criminal elements, but the CONGRESS is the undisputed crowned leader in being the MOST communal, criminal, corrupt party of all time. And that is the secret of it having been able to latch on to power for so long (six decades).

BJP might be talking of Shri Ram temple at Ayodhya, but it never talked of reservation for Hindus, it never gave Hindus first class citizen status and others a second class status, it never gave govt. grants and doles on the basis of religion, it never went soft on Hindu criminals or special criminal courts for Hindus (Unlike Congress' plan of special criminal courts for muslims to go soft on them), reservation on religious lines.
What BJP is talking is tokenism BUT what Congress is talking is not tokenism. Rather it is going to have very strong ramifications for the national integrity and welfare and well being of non-muslims.

WHO is Mandbudhi Singh to talk of FIRST AMONG EQUALS when the constitution does not talk of differentiation on religious lines?? Either the citizens are equal or they are not equal. There is no such thing as FIRST AMONG EQUALS which mandbudhi singh used for Muslims saying that Muslims should have the first right over the resources and opportunities of this country.

How many times does this country need to be divided on religious lines? In the first place, Pakistan and Bangladesh were created for the muslims and the great Congress party allowed them to stay in India. Then for petty vote bank politics for over 60 years they did and are still doing all they can in terms of muslim appeasement to divide the country again. If you still want to support the Congress, please do so by all means, but for God's sake as a rational individual please do not term others as blind followers.


Abhik, do you think all those who do not sing paeans of your favourite leader are saleable? Going by same analogy, those on the other side of the fence (including yourself) could also be saleable. It is characteristic of the brand of politics fancied by you and the flock to float conspiracy theories. Your writings suggest that India should have only ONE Political Party with just one individual running the roost with his whims and fancies and where contrarian views should be brutally suppressed by stripping the people of their right of expression. In the prevailing atmosphere it has become extremely difficult to write anything on social sites including on JL except for vitriolic criticism of the ruling party or hurling filthy sarcasm on its leaders. The simple reason being robust pugnacity of the fanatic followers of one particular stream of politics. It is a highly dangerous trend, - a precursor to Fascism. Arrogance has already starting creeping into young votaries and the fanatical faith-heads in anticipation of the election victory. Sensible and neutral analysts are disbelieved, heckled, abused, ridiculed and even threatened by the hoodlums. Even on JL some boys (some of them while flaunting their OZ credentials) have been wayward in their behaviour which should not be acceptable on a civilized forum. If this is the scenario even before your party coming to power, what will happen in the aftermath of coronation? Just an imagination of coming events has started scaring people having faith in democracy. It will be a doomsday for Indian democracy if lumpen elements are ever allowed to run this country. (May be your leader is oblivious of the activities of his blind followers who are doing more harm to him than benefit. I am sure, he would never endorse such kind of lumpenism). But, who knows, this kind of attitude may backfire and the peace-loving people might take due cognizance of this simmering undercurrent of dictatorship.
It is ridiculous that every political debate in India, especially on JL ends up to be - either pro-Congress or a pro-BJP. There could be people of conviction around (as opposed to both the parties) having independent ideas free from the pre-conceived ideological orientations who may not necessarily be working on the payroll of Congress as alleged by you.

swaich
July 28th, 2013, 09:54 AM
These stooges in order to seem unbiased and impartial in their views and writings do take a potshot at the Congress. But that is only a by-product in the end product of BJP/Modi bashing!

With all that is happening around, you would still want proofs.

1. Countless scams.
2. Nation's money stashed away in Swiss bank accounts.
3. National security deliberately weakened by not procuring urgently needed weapons systems and spares.
4. Dividing the country on religious lines - 'separate criminal courts for muslims, IM does not exist'
5. Going soft on terror to appease a particular community.
6. Internal security weak - terrorists strike at will where they please and when they please.
7. Prices of ONE AND ALL the things going off the roof and still not stopping.
8. NO redressal of the grievances of the common man - literal dictatorship by the political establishment.

If you still want proof, then I think you are not living in the present times and we are interacting through a time machine with you living in the past and I in the present.

Rhetoric again. Where's the proof?

People like Madhu Kishwar, Chetan Bhagat and Kanchan Gupta are openly supporting Modi and BJP. Do you find me saying they are on the payrolls of BJP? Its their view point and their own opinions which the express, but to say that they are doing so at the monetary behest of a political party is devoid of any fact.

ravinderjeet
July 28th, 2013, 11:43 AM
VP ji, though I am getting from you are coming (your point), I need to correct you on a few points.

1. Not every discussion on JL is pro or against Congress/BJP. There are a few threads and rightly so on politics. Politics is part of our daily lives and affects each and everyone of us directly and indirectly whether it is going soft on terrorism, rising prices or reservation to muslims (minority appeasement). It is your individual choice whether to visit and contribute to those threads or not. Nobody forces you or me.

2. If you vehemently support the Congress party tooth and nail despite their numerous scams and spread of communalism by going soft on terror, reservation for muslims etc. then it is okay as per you. But if someone else supports BJP or Modi, they are blind followers. This is pretty hard to fathom.

3. I would consider it highly inappropriate to point fingers at fellow Jatlanders as hoodlums or lumpen elements. Because this would result in a slug-fest or tit-for-tat. After all, all of us have the right to express ourselves, but without pointing fingers at fellow JL brothers.

We all know the lumpenism and the kind of hoodlums the Congressies are. Take Salman Khurshid who while being a Central Govt. minister like a local goonda challenged Arvind Kejriwal to visit his hometown and return safely and in one - piece.

We all know the way Congress' ever youthful Raul baba shows his temper on stage by tearing and throwing away other party's manifesto.

We all know the whims and fancies of MADAM and Raul Baba with which this country is being run. They treat this country, its people and resources as their personal fiefdom. Nobody, not even the media dared to take up the Wadhra story till Arvind Kejriwal exposed how Wadhra made a fortune while dabbling in so-called land deals using privy govt. information and contacts. One or two previous attempts by the media were swiftly suppressed by the all so powerful (read criminal) party.

No party including the BJP is above the board in terms of corruption or criminal elements, but the CONGRESS is the undisputed crowned leader in being the MOST communal, criminal, corrupt party of all time. And that is the secret of it having been able to latch on to power for so long (six decades).

BJP might be talking of Shri Ram temple at Ayodhya, but it never talked of reservation for Hindus, it never gave Hindus first class citizen status and others a second class status, it never gave govt. grants and doles on the basis of religion, it never went soft on Hindu criminals or special criminal courts for Hindus (Unlike Congress' plan of special criminal courts for muslims to go soft on them), reservation on religious lines.
What BJP is talking is tokenism BUT what Congress is talking is not tokenism. Rather it is going to have very strong ramifications for the national integrity and welfare and well being of non-muslims.

WHO is Mandbudhi Singh to talk of FIRST AMONG EQUALS when the constitution does not talk of differentiation on religious lines?? Either the citizens are equal or they are not equal. There is no such thing as FIRST AMONG EQUALS which mandbudhi singh used for Muslims saying that Muslims should have the first right over the resources and opportunities of this country.

How many times does this country need to be divided on religious lines? In the first place, Pakistan and Bangladesh were created for the muslims and the great Congress party allowed them to stay in India. Then for petty vote bank politics for over 60 years they did and are still doing all they can in terms of muslim appeasement to divide the country again. If you still want to support the Congress, please do so by all means, but for God's sake as a rational individual please do not term others as blind followers.

घणे सारे धन्यवाद भाई ,भोत बढ़िया लिख्या ।
सम्झानिये ते समझ गए ,
जो ना समझे वो भों कोए ॥

AbhikRana
July 28th, 2013, 02:10 PM
You might call it rhetoric, you might call it propaganda or you might even call it blind faith. I leave it to you!

The fact of the matter is that the writer Kesavan or whatever his name is is toeing/pedaling the line of the Congress party.

The Congress party has always played the dirty and communal game of IDENTITY politics - You become PM because you are a sikh, You (Hamid Ansari) become VP because you are a muslim, you (Najeeb Jung) become Lt. Governor of Delhi because you are a muslim. It happens only in India and primarily under the misrule of the Congress party. Majority of Congress spokespersons are muslims just to send a signal. They just send signals for all the wrong reasons (to divide the country).

They (Congress) had a great opportunity at the very time of independence to make MERITOCRACY the basis or developmental model for this country. But instead they chose RESERVATIONS over meritocracy by amending the constitution umpteen number of times like their personal scrapbook.

Coming back to this Kesavan, no sane Indian would toe the IDENTITY politics of the Congress by even suggesting that Modi to prove his secular credentials should make a Muslim PM for 10 years. WHERE IS ALL THIS MADNESS GOING TO END? Handing out top jobs and posts on silver platter on the basis of the faith/religion you belong to. I don't think he is insane because I guess he is a political commentator or a journalist. The only other inference to be drawn is that he is politically motivated by either cash or in kind which comes from the HIGH COMMAND.

As far as your casting aspersions on Madhu Kishwar or Chetan Bhagat, you are free to do so like any other free citizen of a free nation. The only fact that stands out in their support for Modi/BJP is the developmental model that EXISTS in Gujarat and MP. Now, if you again ask me for proofs, I will have to repeat that I have none because I am neither from the caged parrot (CBI), police nor from any other intelligence establishment. I am a mango man who just does not blindly follow every thing that is there on Google/Wiki, but who rather tries to assimilate information from all the sources including print/electronic media and real life and then forms his opinion/conviction.


Rhetoric again. Where's the proof?

People like Madhu Kishwar, Chetan Bhagat and Kanchan Gupta are openly supporting Modi and BJP. Do you find me saying they are on the payrolls of BJP? Its their view point and their own opinions which the express, but to say that they are doing so at the monetary behest of a political party is devoid of any fact.

swaich
July 28th, 2013, 02:26 PM
You might call it rhetoric, you might call it propaganda or you might even call it blind faith. I leave it to you!

The fact of the matter is that the writer Kesavan or whatever his name is toeing/pedaling the line of the Congress party.

The Congress party has always played the dirty and communal game of IDENTITY politics - You become PM because you are a sikh, You (Hamid Ansari) become VP because you are a muslim, you (Najeeb Jung) become Lt. Governor of Delhi because you are a muslim. It happens only in India and primarily under the misrule of the Congress party. Majority of Congress spokespersons are muslims just to send a signal. They just send signals for all the wrong reasons (to divide the country).

They (Congress) had a great opportunity at the very time of independence to make MERITOCRACY the basis or developmental model for this country. But instead they chose RESERVATIONS over meritocracy by amending the constitution umpteen number of times like their personal scrapbook.

Coming back to this Kesavan, no sane Indian would toe the IDENTITY politics of the Congress by even suggesting that Modi to prove his secular credentials should make a Muslim PM for 10 years. WHERE IS ALL THIS MADNESS GOING TO END? Handing out top jobs and posts on silver platter on the basis of the faith/religion you belong to. I don't think he is insane because I guess he is a political commentator or a journalist. The only other inference to be drawn is that he is politically motivated by either cash or in kind which comes from the HIGH COMMAND.

As far as your casting aspersions on Madhu Kishwar or Chetan Bhagat, you are free to do so like any other free citizen of a free nation. The only fact that stands out in their support for Modi/BJP is the developmental model that EXISTS in Gujarat and MP. Now, if you again ask me for proofs, I will have to repeat that I have none because I am neither from the caged parrot (CBI), police nor from any other intelligence establishment. I am a mango man who just does not blindly follow every thing that is there on Google/Wiki, but who rather tries to assimilate information from all the sources including print/electronic media and real life and then forms his opinion/conviction.

Again, you didn't understand the essence of that article and jumped on the very fact that it dared to not support Modi. And this is because for you and many others here every person who doesn't vouch unequivocal support to Modi or to the BJP is a traitor, a corrupted person and unfit to be listened to. That's a brilliant way to have a discussion.

Now, to imagine that someday the right kind of Muslim person comes along from within the BJP, will they ever make him PM? As you said, Congress doesn't promote meritocracy but BJP does? So can that happen?

And btw just saying that you don't Google/wiki but depend on your own sources is just another way of saying you are a slave to your own prejudices.

AbhikRana
July 28th, 2013, 02:36 PM
Yes, no doubt BJP espouses meritocracy more than the Congress does. The identity politics that the Congress espouses and has indulged in since independence.

You didn't read my sentence carefully or were unable to infer the meaning, though it was clearly worded. I don't just stick to Google/Wiki for info, rather try to take it from a variety of sources. Yes, I do have prejudices like any and every other individual. If you say you don't, you are not being honest to yourself and others.


Again, you didn't understand the essence of that article and jumped on the very fact that it dared to not support Modi. And this is because for you and many others here every person who doesn't vouch unequivocal support to Modi or to the BJP is a traitor, a corrupted person and unfit to be listened to. That's a brilliant way to have a discussion.

Now, to imagine that someday the right kind of Muslim person comes along from within the BJP, will they ever make him PM? As you said, Congress doesn't promote meritocracy but BJP does? So can that happen?

And btw just saying that you don't Google/wiki but depend on your own sources is just another way of saying you are a slave to your own prejudices.

singhvp
July 28th, 2013, 02:52 PM
VP ji, though I am getting from you are coming (your point), I need to correct you on a few points.

1. Not every discussion on JL is pro or against Congress/BJP. There are a few threads and rightly so on politics. Politics is part of our daily lives and affects each and everyone of us directly and indirectly whether it is going soft on terrorism, rising prices or reservation to muslims (minority appeasement). It is your individual choice whether to visit and contribute to those threads or not. Nobody forces you or me.

2. If you vehemently support the Congress party tooth and nail despite their numerous scams and spread of communalism by going soft on terror, reservation for muslims etc. then it is okay as per you. But if someone else supports BJP or Modi, they are blind followers. This is pretty hard to fathom.

3. I would consider it highly inappropriate to point fingers at fellow Jatlanders as hoodlums or lumpen elements. Because this would result in a slug-fest or tit-for-tat. After all, all of us have the right to express ourselves, but without pointing fingers at fellow JL brothers.

We all know the lumpenism and the kind of hoodlums the Congressies are. Take Salman Khurshid who while being a Central Govt. minister like a local goonda challenged Arvind Kejriwal to visit his hometown and return safely and in one - piece.

We all know the way Congress' ever youthful Raul baba shows his temper on stage by tearing and throwing away other party's manifesto.

We all know the whims and fancies of MADAM and Raul Baba with which this country is being run. They treat this country, its people and resources as their personal fiefdom. Nobody, not even the media dared to take up the Wadhra story till Arvind Kejriwal exposed how Wadhra made a fortune while dabbling in so-called land deals using privy govt. information and contacts. One or two previous attempts by the media were swiftly suppressed by the all so powerful (read criminal) party.

No party including the BJP is above the board in terms of corruption or criminal elements, but the CONGRESS is the undisputed crowned leader in being the MOST communal, criminal, corrupt party of all time. And that is the secret of it having been able to latch on to power for so long (six decades).

BJP might be talking of Shri Ram temple at Ayodhya, but it never talked of reservation for Hindus, it never gave Hindus first class citizen status and others a second class status, it never gave govt. grants and doles on the basis of religion, it never went soft on Hindu criminals or special criminal courts for Hindus (Unlike Congress' plan of special criminal courts for muslims to go soft on them), reservation on religious lines.
What BJP is talking is tokenism BUT what Congress is talking is not tokenism. Rather it is going to have very strong ramifications for the national integrity and welfare and well being of non-muslims.

WHO is Mandbudhi Singh to talk of FIRST AMONG EQUALS when the constitution does not talk of differentiation on religious lines?? Either the citizens are equal or they are not equal. There is no such thing as FIRST AMONG EQUALS which mandbudhi singh used for Muslims saying that Muslims should have the first right over the resources and opportunities of this country.

How many times does this country need to be divided on religious lines? In the first place, Pakistan and Bangladesh were created for the muslims and the great Congress party allowed them to stay in India. Then for petty vote bank politics for over 60 years they did and are still doing all they can in terms of muslim appeasement to divide the country again. If you still want to support the Congress, please do so by all means, but for God's sake as a rational individual please do not term others as blind followers.

Abhik Bhai, again the same rhetorical branding. Those who do not support your political philosophy may not necessarily be subscribing to Congress's ideology. There are many political parties in India and one could be a sympathiser of any one of those third parties. I hope you would give the freedom of subscribing to an ideology independent of the two mainstream political parties. In your post you have conveniently ignored the counter-question of saleability. What if people suspect you and your favourite ideologues of being on the pay roll of some party? What is the guarantee that your camp followers are not on someone's payroll? As far as lumpenism on our own site is concerned, there is no figment of exaggeration in it. It is rampant and almost every third post is full of filthy sarcasm and abuse. People have gone to the extent of virtually spitting here on JL. What would you make out of the disgust and hate expressed through the comment 'aak thoo' or calling your own brothers as 'spoons'. Similarly, some 'pappus' have started addressing people with imaginary and unreal names. I am surprised how you could be so ignorant of this kind of dirty behaviour of your disciples. Perhaps, it suits you and you will dispute it only when you yourself will be an object.

vicky84
July 28th, 2013, 02:57 PM
Again, you didn't understand the essence of that article and jumped on the very fact that it dared to not support Modi. And this is because for you and many others here every person who doesn't vouch unequivocal support to Modi or to the BJP is a traitor, a corrupted person and unfit to be listened to. That's a brilliant way to have a discussion.



Spot on bro. This is the trend nowadays on JL. No tolerance of opposing views. Either you fall in line with their absurd backings or face the brickbats. Their pronouncements won't be far. You will be tagged as a congressi, corrupt and what not!!

vicky84
July 28th, 2013, 03:06 PM
It is rampant and almost every third post is full of filthy sarcasm and abuse. People have gone to the extent of virtually spitting here on JL. What would you make out of the disgust and hate expressed through the comment 'aak thoo' or calling your own brothers as 'spoons'. Similarly, some 'pappus' have started addressing people with imaginary and unreal names. I am surprised how you could be so ignorant of this kind of dirty behaviour of your disciples. Perhaps, it suits you and you will dispute it only when you yourself will be an object.
Yes it is very unfortunate to see same people who advise "Civic Sense" to others, resort to hurling derogatory remarks.

AbhikRana
July 28th, 2013, 03:13 PM
VP ji,

It is but natural. There is widespread angst amongst the people of this country across its length and breadth over the gargantuan LOOT and COMMUNAL politics of the 3C Congress.

Not only on JL, whichever forum (online or offline) you visit, your or anyone else's attempt to defend the shameless Congress would not be taken lightly. The Congress is far removed from the ground realities and does not understand the angst and outrightly rejects it. But if you (the rational people) also do the same, it is but natural that you might be seen as a Congressi, though you might not be one.


Abhik Bhai, again the same rhetorical branding. Those who do not support your political philosophy may not necessarily be subscribing to Congress's ideology. There are many political parties in India and one could be a sympathiser of any one of those third parties. I hope you would give the freedom of subscribing to an ideology independent of the two mainstream political parties. In your post you have conveniently ignored the counter-question of saleability. What if people suspect you and your favourite ideologues of being on the pay roll of some party? What is the guarantee that your camp followers are not on someone's payroll? As far as lumpenism on our own site is concerned, there is no figment of exaggeration in it. It is rampant and almost every third post is full of filthy sarcasm and abuse. People have gone to the extent of virtually spitting here on JL. What would you make out of the disgust and hate expressed through the comment 'aak thoo' or calling your own brothers as 'spoons'. Similarly, some 'pappus' have started addressing people with imaginary and unreal names. I am surprised how you could be so ignorant of this kind of dirty behaviour of your disciples. Perhaps, it suits you and you will dispute it only when you yourself will be an object.

swaich
July 30th, 2013, 10:25 PM
So much for BJP's opposition to special status for J&K via Article 370.

Modi draws flak for bid to force out Sikh farmershttp://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Modi-draws-flak-for-bid-to-force-out-Sikh-farmers/Article1-1100452.aspx

The Narendra Modi government has ‘prima facie’ discriminated against the 500-member Sikh community in Kutch, a report by the National Commission for Minorities says.
The government had ordered the Sikhs to sell their land and return to Punjab because they were not Gujaratis, citing the Bombay Tenancy and Agricultural Lands Act, 1948.
The commission strongly disapproved of the interpretation that only Gujarati farmers could own or buy land in the state. The Sikh farmers’ land accounts have already been frozen.

“Modi, who has the habit of terrorising the minorities in Gujarat, was in this case victimising the Sikh farmers,” commission member Ajaib Singh said in the report.
The government’s order was struck down by the Gujarat HC but the verdict was challenged in the Supreme Court.
The commission has asked the Gujarat government to accept the high court’s verdict. Modi was also requested to administer a national minority scholarship programme and set up a state minorities commission.
Singh also wrote to Punjab chief minister Parkash Singh Badal to intervene in the matter.
‘Expose Modi’s lies’
Rahul Gandhi on Monday directed Gujarat party leaders to expose Narendra Modi’s “dangerous politics and lies”and to focus on issues to build pressure on the BJP government.

AbhikRana
August 2nd, 2013, 10:26 PM
Another ploy of the DIRTY TRICKS DEPARTMENT OF THE CONGRESS PARTY of which Dogvijay Singh is the chief writer.

This allegation is utterly baseless. There are many states that give preference to people of their state, for example, HP (you can't buy land there). Tomorrow you are going to say Sikhs (so called minorities) are being discriminated in HP, J&K, Maharashtra because these states give preferential treatment to the citizens of the states and bars outsiders from purchasing land (in particular agricultural land).

Highly baseless news story giving the entire thing a COMMUNAL twist whereas it is actually a case of the existing laws of the state coming into play.

But what else can be expected from the Congress. After all, it will not make it so easy for the BJP/Modi to win. Sometimes, they say he has no prime-ministerial experience, some say he cannot speak English language, some say he did not wear a muslim skullcap at a function. ABSURD, BASELESS, IRRATIONAL comments of deranged people who are in a state of PANIC.


So much for BJP's opposition to special status for J&K via Article 370.

Modi draws flak for bid to force out Sikh farmers

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Modi-draws-flak-for-bid-to-force-out-Sikh-farmers/Article1-1100452.aspx

The Narendra Modi government has ‘prima facie’ discriminated against the 500-member Sikh community in Kutch, a report by the National Commission for Minorities says.
The government had ordered the Sikhs to sell their land and return to Punjab because they were not Gujaratis, citing the Bombay Tenancy and Agricultural Lands Act, 1948.
The commission strongly disapproved of the interpretation that only Gujarati farmers could own or buy land in the state. The Sikh farmers’ land accounts have already been frozen.

“Modi, who has the habit of terrorising the minorities in Gujarat, was in this case victimising the Sikh farmers,” commission member Ajaib Singh said in the report.
The government’s order was struck down by the Gujarat HC but the verdict was challenged in the Supreme Court.
The commission has asked the Gujarat government to accept the high court’s verdict. Modi was also requested to administer a national minority scholarship programme and set up a state minorities commission.
Singh also wrote to Punjab chief minister Parkash Singh Badal to intervene in the matter.
‘Expose Modi’s lies’
Rahul Gandhi on Monday directed Gujarat party leaders to expose Narendra Modi’s “dangerous politics and lies”and to focus on issues to build pressure on the BJP government.

swaich
August 2nd, 2013, 11:22 PM
Another ploy of the DIRTY TRICKS DEPARTMENT OF THE CONGRESS PARTY of which Dogvijay Singh is the chief writer.

This allegation is utterly baseless. There are many states that give preference to people of their state, for example, HP (you can't buy land there). Tomorrow you are going to say Sikhs (so called minorities) are being discriminated in HP, J&K, Maharashtra because these states give preferential treatment to the citizens of the states and bars outsiders from purchasing land (in particular agricultural land).

Highly baseless news story giving the entire thing a COMMUNAL twist whereas it is actually a case of the existing laws of the state coming into play.

But what else can be expected from the Congress. After all, it will not make it so easy for the BJP/Modi to win. Sometimes, they say he has no prime-ministerial experience, some say he cannot speak English language, some say he did not wear a muslim skullcap at a function. ABSURD, BASELESS, IRRATIONAL comments of deranged people who are in a state of PANIC.

My point here wasn't around Sikhs being targeted, but the fact that even Gujarat has laws like a few other states - mostly hill states and J&K. Now BJP has opposed Art 370 in J&K as its considered anti-national. So why does it have similar laws in Gujarat where outsiders cannot buy land? Isnt more expected from a nationalistic party like BJP?

upendersingh
August 3rd, 2013, 12:27 AM
The 1969 Gujarat riots refers to the communal violence between Hindus and Muslims during September–October 1969, inGujarat, India. The violence was Gujarat's first major riot that involved massacre, arson and looting on a large scale. It was the most deadly Hindu-Muslim violence since the 1947 partition of India, and remained such until the 1989 Bhagalpur violence.
According to the official figures, 660 people were killed, 1074 people were injured and over 48,000 lost their property. Unofficial reports claim as high as 2000 deaths. The Muslim community suffered majority of the losses. Out of the 512 deaths reported in the police complaints, 430 were that of Muslims. Property worth 42 million rupees was destroyed during the riots, with Muslims losing 32 million worth of property. A distinctive feature of the violence was the attack on Muslim chawlsby their Dalit Hindu neighbours who had maintained peaceful relations with them until this point.
The riots happened during the chief ministership of the Indian National Congress leader Hitendra Desai.

Secular Congress (http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=17154)

upendersingh
August 3rd, 2013, 12:31 AM
I am not Congress hater though, because they crushed Pakistan in 1971 war. But at present I support BJP as I think Congress now doesn't have able leadership.

kapdal
August 3rd, 2013, 02:47 AM
I am not Congress hater though, because they crushed Pakistan in 1971 war. But at present I support BJP as I think Congress now doesn't have able leadership.

I don't think Congress Working Committee or All India Congress Committee went to the war front in 1971.

VirJ
August 3rd, 2013, 09:04 AM
My point here wasn't around Sikhs being targeted, but the fact that even Gujarat has laws like a few other states - mostly hill states and J&K. Now BJP has opposed Art 370 in J&K as its considered anti-national. So why does it have similar laws in Gujarat where outsiders cannot buy land? Isnt more expected from a nationalistic party like BJP?
This law in Gujrat and Maharastra about agriculture land and Article 370 cannot be compared. There is a big difference between the two.

swaich
August 3rd, 2013, 04:47 PM
This law in Gujrat and Maharastra about agriculture land and Article 370 cannot be compared. There is a big difference between the two.

It can be compared, as in essence it prevents people of a state in settling down in another state. It limits mobility of citizens in their own the country.

I must add, the Gujarat government had itself encouraged Punjabi farmers to buy up marshy/arid lands in Gujarat to improve agriculture after the 1965 war. The same had happened in many states like Rajasthan, UP and Uttarakhand. The Shahid Udham Singh dist. in Uttarakhand, Lakhimpur Kheri in UP and Ganganagar and Alwar districts are testament to the hard work of the Punjabi farmers.

But now, the Guj govt. has brought up an archaic 1949 law to expel Punjabi farmers. Do view the following video for more details.


http://www.dayandnightnews.com/2013/08/watch-prime-debate-punjabi-gujarat-farmers-and-govt/

Although the issue here should be seen in separation from the debate on Modi, it does raise questions on the so called nationalistic and fervent patriotism banners of the BJP.

upendersingh
August 3rd, 2013, 06:12 PM
I don't think Congress Working Committee or All India Congress Committee went to the war front in 1971.

I couldn't expect such immature reply from you. Indira Gandhi had a deal with USSR. If that deal was not there then USA would have interfered. Have you not heard so ever?
Order matters, right decision on right time matters. Congress giant Indira Gandhi took the right decision on right time. Without a leader army is a just a bunch of armed people, who don't know what to do. Salary, arms, ammunition, vehicles, food...all is provided to the army by the government. We common people can not raise army ourselves. We will need our representatives.
Furthermore Had Narendra Modi himself massacred Muslims in Gujarat 2002 riots?
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The USSR gave assurances to India that if a confrontation with the United States or China developed, it would take counter-measures. This assurance was enshrined in the Indo-Soviet friendship treaty signed in August 1971.

AbhikRana
August 3rd, 2013, 07:01 PM
Very right!

There is no comparison between the quoted/alleged incident in Gujarat and Article 370.

Article 370 provides a special status to J&K with them having a separate constitution, separate set of laws with no law which can be enacted by the Parliament of India, special status as a state, Complete (autonomous) control over almost all the areas/ministries of governance except for Defence, foreign affairs, etc.


Jammu and Kashmir is the only Indian state that has its own official flag and constitution, and Indians from other states cannot purchase land or property in the state

And if still someone says that Art. 370 and what is alleged is on the same footing, it would be highly irresponsible and absurd.

And let us not forget that this DANGEROUS Art. 370 was gifted to us by our very own 3C Congress party. ONE BLUNDER AFTER THE OTHER and the list is still going further!

It all boils down to giving a communal tinge to something which is governed by the state law. The native farmers of a state are among the most marginalized lot affected by the vagaries of nature. It is the job of the state govt. to protect their interests and hence, the state enacted laws protecting their interests.


Kudos to Mr. Modi for what he is doing as a CM and I am sure he will do the same for Indians when he is THE PM - Kicking out the Bangladeshis and Pakistani aliens, restricting the inflow of Nepalis and Sri-Lankans, saying no to Afghan and Middle East Asian refugees who have swamped Delhi and other regions in North, African nationals who have made India their home and indulge in drug trafficking, job frauds and other crimes.

All the anti-nationals including the 3C Congress would THUS not want to see Modi at the helm and in their endeavour would COOK and PLANT baseless stories. Such stories are best left ignored by all the respected members of JL.


This law in Gujrat and Maharastra about agriculture land and Article 370 cannot be compared. There is a big difference between the two.

swaich
August 3rd, 2013, 10:16 PM
Very right!

There is no comparison between the quoted/alleged incident in Gujarat and Article 370.

Article 370 provides a special status to J&K with them having a separate constitution, separate set of laws with no law which can be enacted by the Parliament of India, special status as a state, Complete (autonomous) control over almost all the areas/ministries of governance except for Defence, foreign affairs, etc.


Jammu and Kashmir is the only Indian state that has its own official flag and constitution, and Indians from other states cannot purchase land or property in the state

And if still someone says that Art. 370 and what is alleged is on the same footing, it would be highly irresponsible and absurd.

And let us not forget that this DANGEROUS Art. 370 was gifted to us by our very own 3C Congress party. ONE BLUNDER AFTER THE OTHER and the list is still going further!

It all boils down to giving a communal tinge to something which is governed by the state law. The native farmers of a state are among the most marginalized lot affected by the vagaries of nature. It is the job of the state govt. to protect their interests and hence, the state enacted laws protecting their interests.


Kudos to Mr. Modi for what he is doing as a CM and I am sure he will do the same for Indians when he is THE PM - Kicking out the Bangladeshis and Pakistani aliens, restricting the inflow of Nepalis and Sri-Lankans, saying no to Afghan and Middle East Asian refugees who have swamped Delhi and other regions in North, African nationals who have made India their home and indulge in drug trafficking, job frauds and other crimes.

All the anti-nationals including the 3C Congress would THUS not want to see Modi at the helm and in their endeavour would COOK and PLANT baseless stories. Such stories are best left ignored by all the respected members of JL.

As usual, all your posts are mere rants and lacking in facts and your delusions of Modi-raj know no end.

What have Africans or Middle Easterners got to do with the issue? And has Modi specifically barred these nationalities from Gujarat that he will repeat in Delhi if elected? I dont remember reading about it? How many lies and half truths will you throw about?

AbhikRana
August 3rd, 2013, 10:23 PM
Well, the topic of this thread is not me. I might be ranting or might have delusions. But a sensible writer like you would have been expected to stick to the thread IF you had something worthwhile to contribute to the thread and not something pertaining to me. I am just a mango man. Criticizing me would yield you no result.




As usual, all your posts are mere rants and lacking in facts and your delusions of Modi-raj know no end.

What have Africans or Middle Easterners got to do with the issue? And has Modi specifically barred these nationalities from Gujarat that he will repeat in Delhi if elected? I dont remember reading about it? How many lies and half truths will you throw about?

swaich
August 3rd, 2013, 10:55 PM
Well, the topic of this thread is not me. I might be ranting or might have delusions. But a sensible writer like you would have been expected to stick to the thread IF you had something worthwhile to contribute to the thread and not something pertaining tojust a mango man. Criticizing me would yield you no result.

Busting your half truths and myths is contribution enough. And fortunately or unfortunately, the blind hordes of sheep following Modi give ample opportunities.

AbhikRana
August 3rd, 2013, 11:06 PM
Well, as I said in my reply, for some members here who harp on facts/figures/proof the world starts with Wikipedia and ends with Google. If something is mentioned there it is Gospel's truth. If something is not mentioned there, it does not exist. With such limited/contradictory sources of information, one's viewpoint reflects such limitation/contradiction.

Calling a Lion a sheep is a big mistake. It is the Congress which is playing the pied piper treating the Congress followers as rats and leading them (by default alongwith others) to the mountain cliff. The sooner it is realized, the better it would be for the nation.

If Modi was a sheep, Congress would not have been PANICKING and working overtime with cooking up and planting stories. The very roar of this lion sends shivers down the spines of the very LOOTERS/SICKULARISTS ruling this country and their supporters.


Busting your half truths and myths is contribution enough. And fortunately or unfortunately, the blind hordes of sheep following Modi give ample opportunities.

swaich
August 3rd, 2013, 11:29 PM
Well, as I said in my reply, for some members here who harp on facts/figures/proof the world starts with Wikipedia and ends with Google. If something is mentioned there it is Gospel's truth. If something is not mentioned there, it does not exist. With such limited/contradictory sources of information, one's viewpoint reflects such limitation/contradiction.

Calling a Lion a sheep is a big mistake. It is the Congress which is playing the pied piper treating the Congress followers as rats and leading them (by default alongwith others) to the mountain cliff. The sooner it is realized, the better it would be for the nation.

If Modi was a sheep, Congress would not have been PANICKING and working overtime wiup and planting stories. The very roar of this lion sends shivers down the spines of the very LOOTERS/SICKULARISTS ruling this country and their supporters.

Internet is the next best place than actually being there. One cribs about it only because one's point not supported. And nobody in this world has travelled to all places or exthat one talks about, so quoting from internet is the only option rather than only relying on gut feel or plain prejudices.

And as I have said before, you don't read properly. I said Modi's followers are sheep. Modi isn't a sheep;, he is just wearing sheep's clothing.:)

AbhikRana
August 3rd, 2013, 11:35 PM
Will discuss it further tomorrow.

Sleep well!!


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Internet is the next best place than actually being there. One cribs about it because one is notsupported. And nobody in this world has travelled to all places or exthat one talks about, so quoting from internet is the only option rather than only relying on gut feel or plain prejudices.

And as I have said before, you don't read properly. I said Modi's followers are sheep. Modi isn't a sheep;, he is just wearing sheep's clothing.:)

VirJ
August 4th, 2013, 09:42 AM
It can be compared, as in essence it prevents people of a state in settling down in another state. It limits mobility of citizens in their own the country.

I must add, the Gujarat government had itself encouraged Punjabi farmers to buy up marshy/arid lands in Gujarat to improve agriculture after the 1965 war. The same had happened in many states like Rajasthan, UP and Uttarakhand. The Shahid Udham Singh dist. in Uttarakhand, Lakhimpur Kheri in UP and Ganganagar and Alwar districts are testament to the hard work of the Punjabi farmers.

But now, the Guj govt. has brought up an archaic 1949 law to expel Punjabi farmers. Do view the following video for more details.


http://www.dayandnightnews.com/2013/08/watch-prime-debate-punjabi-gujarat-farmers-and-govt/

Although the issue here should be seen in separation from the debate on Modi, it does raise questions on the so called nationalistic and fervent patriotism banners of the BJP.

Do u know which part of Article 370 is actually opposed by BJP?

Our country is vastly dependent on agriculture and there are some laws which puts some caveats in the purchase of agriculture land. The agriculture land in less in some states and they have their own rules for it e.g. Rajasthan, Gujrat and Maharastra. Also the Govt doesn’t allow NRI/OCI to buy agriculture land anywhere in India. The reason is this is the income for lot of people who are not skilled in any other profession. The investor will probably use it for speculation. This will go against the very purpose of the abolishment of Jamindari System and providing the ownership rights to the farmers for which our Shri. Chotu Ram has fought. Moreover the issue is in court and let the court decide. I am sure if injustice is done by Modi or any Govt Supreme court will take care of it. My personal opinion is because these people are tilting the land for so long let them stay there or provide them appropriate compensation.

Comparing this with article 370 is ignorance (or stupidity) however I can understand you are rather forced by your habit of criticizing BJP/MODI more than anything else.

swaich
August 4th, 2013, 01:01 PM
Do u know which part of Article 370 is actually opposed by BJP?

Our country is vastly dependent on agriculture and there are some laws which puts some caveats in the purchase of agriculture land. The agriculture land in less in some states and they have their own rules for it e.g. Rajasthan, Gujrat and Maharastra. Also the Govt doesn’t allow NRI/OCI to buy agriculture land anywhere in India. The reason is this is the income for lot of people who are not skilled in any other profession. The investor will probably use it for speculation. This will go against the very purpose of the abolishment of Jamindari System and providing the ownership rights to the farmers for which our Shri. Chotu Ram has fought. Moreover the issue is in court and let the court decide. I am sure if injustice is done by Modi or any Govt Supreme court will take care of it. My personal opinion is because these people are tilting the land for so long let them stay there or provide them appropriate compensation.

Comparing this with article 370 is ignorance (or stupidity) however I can understand you are rather forced by your habit of criticizing BJP/MODI more than anything else.

Have issues being in courts stopped anyone from expressing their opinions?

Gujarat and Rajasthan don't have a shortage of agricultural lands. And one only has to look at the districts in Gujarat and Rajasthan tilled by Punjabi farmers to understand the transformation it has brought. To ask them to leave after allowing them to farm for 40 years is an injustice.

While I salute your intellect, please let me be the ignorant and the stupid one here.

AbhikRana
August 4th, 2013, 01:07 PM
Without knowing the complete facts it would be naive of us to cast the verdict.

This news story seems to be the handiwork of the Congress Communal hate mongers.

Even if it is true, there is very much a possibility that this land was leased to these farmers from Punjab for a certain period of time and on that period of lease coming to an end, they were asked to hand over the land back.

Pointing fingers without knowing complete set of accompanying facts is like shooting in the dark.


Have issues being in courts stopped anyone from expressing their opinions?

Gujarat and Rajasthan don't have a shortage of agricultural lands. And one only has to look at the districts in Gujarat and Rajasthan tilled by Punjabi farmers to understand the transformation it has brought. To ask them to leave after allowing them to farm for 40 years is an injustice.

While I salute your intellect, please let me be the ignorant and the stupid one here.

AbhikRana
August 4th, 2013, 01:13 PM
Without knowing the complete facts it would be naive of us to cast the verdict.

This news story seems to be the handiwork of the Congress Communal hate mongers.

Even if it is true, there is very much a possibility that this land was leased to these farmers from Punjab for a certain period of time and on that period of lease coming to an end, they were asked to hand over the land back.

Pointing fingers without knowing complete set of accompanying facts is like shooting in the dark.


Have issues being in courts stopped anyone from expressing their opinions?

Gujarat and Rajasthan don't have a shortage of agricultural lands. And one only has to look at the districts in Gujarat and Rajasthan tilled by Punjabi farmers to understand the transformation it has brought. To ask them to leave after allowing them to farm for 40 years is an injustice.

While I salute your intellect, please let me be the ignorant and the stupid one here.

swaich
August 4th, 2013, 01:15 PM
Without knowing the complete facts it would be naive of us to cast the verdict.

This news story seems to be the handiwork of the Congress Communal hate mongers.
.

Only you could write those two statements together. Do you see the irony there?

AbhikRana
August 4th, 2013, 01:17 PM
Because you yourself stated in your initial post that your favourite Raul baba (pied piper) has asked his camp followers (rats) to go full steam on such cooked up/planted stories.

And if Modi was just a sheep or whoever you claim him to be in sheep's skin, why is the Congress panicking and getting all drenched in sweat.

And by the way, the irony is that despite all the LOOT and COMMUNAL politics being played around by the Congress, you choose to ignore it and ask for proof. Your wikipedia/Google has lot's of it. BUT THEN FROM YOUR CONGRESS SERVILITY IT SEEMS EVEN IF GOD WERE TO APPEAR AND SAY THAT, YOU WOULD ASK HIM PROOF.


Only you could write those two statements together. Do you see the irony there?

swaich
August 4th, 2013, 01:48 PM
Because you yourself stated in your initial post that your favourite Raul baba (pied piper) has asked his camp followers (rats) to go full steam on such cooked up/planted stories.

I stated? Where did I talk about Rahul Gandhi? Show me a post where I discussed him. In fact you talk about him more than I do.


And if Modi was just a sheep or whoever you claim him to be in sheep's skin, why is the Congress panicking and getting all drenched in sweat.
Why ask me? Did you ever see me sing praises of the Congress?


And by the way, the irony is that despite all the LOOT and COMMUNAL politics being played around by the Congress, you choose to ignore it and ask for proof. Your wikipedia/Google has lot's of it. BUT THEN FROM YOUR CONGRESS SERVILITY IT SEEMS EVEN IF GOD WERE TO APPEAR AND SAY THAT, YOU WOULD ASK HIM PROOF.

Either your capslock keys malfunction or you intentionally type in upper case to make a stronger point. In any case, it doesnt work.

Congress are looters alright, but when did BJP become saints?

AbhikRana
August 4th, 2013, 02:00 PM
Rahul Gandhi on Monday directed Gujarat party leaders to expose Narendra Modi’s “dangerous politics and lies”and to focus on issues to build pressure on the BJP government.

This is a quote from your post #26.

The caps locks on my system are working just fine. While they are used to bring across certain points which some members tend to conveniently ignore and then later "when did I say that or when did I quote that?"

No BJP is no saint, but there is a difference between plunderer and a petty thief.


I stated? Where did I talk about Rahul Gandhi? Show me a post where I discussed him. In fact you talk about him more than I do.


Why ask me? Did you ever see me sing praises of the Congress?



Either your capslock keys malfunction or you intentionally type in upper case to make a stronger point. In any case, it doesnt work.

Congress are looters alright, but when did BJP become saints?

swaich
August 4th, 2013, 02:15 PM
Rahul Gandhi on Monday directed Gujarat party leaders to expose Narendra Modi’s “dangerous politics and lies”and to focus on issues to build pressure on the BJP government.

This is a quote from your post #26.

The caps locks on my system are working just fine. While they are used to bring across certain points which some members tend to conveniently ignore and then later "when did I say that or when did I quote that?"

No BJP is no saint, but there is a difference between plunderer and a petty thief.

The petty thief is still petty because he didn't get a chance to plunder.

And that was an article I shared, not my opinions. Go to that link and check for yourself.

AbhikRana
August 4th, 2013, 02:19 PM
That could be right. I would still give that petty thief the benefit of doubt.

I know that was the quote from the article posted/pasted by you. However, it is equally true that anyone would not quote from an article unless he/she subscribes to it.


The petty thief is still petty because he didn't get a chance to plunder.

And that was an article I shared, not my opinions. Go to that link and check for yourself.

VirJ
August 4th, 2013, 02:51 PM
Have issues being in courts stopped anyone from expressing their opinions?

Gujarat and Rajasthan don't have a shortage of agricultural lands. And one only has to look at the districts in Gujarat and Rajasthan tilled by Punjabi farmers to understand the transformation it has brought. To ask them to leave after allowing them to farm for 40 years is an injustice.

While I salute your intellect, please let me be the ignorant and the stupid one here.

Well this is not really an answer to what was questioned. I don't know the detail apart from the fact that a diss level officer challenged it. I myself said in my opinion that justice should be done and I have full faith that justice will be provided but it appears that your concern was more to question BJP rather than exploring the facts of the case.

ravinderjeet
August 4th, 2013, 03:12 PM
I stated? Where did I talk about Rahul Gandhi? Show me a post where I discussed him. In fact you talk about him more than I do.


Why ask me? Did you ever see me sing praises of the Congress?



Either your capslock keys malfunction or you intentionally type in upper case to make a stronger point. In any case, it doesnt work.

Congress are looters alright, but when did BJP become saints?

inhone apraadh kyaa kiyaa he ???

swaich
August 5th, 2013, 10:41 PM
Gita to be taught in madrasas in Madhya Pradeshhttp://www.ndtv.com/article/india/now-gita-to-be-taught-in-madrasas-in-madhya-pradesh-401634

This is surely a controversial move. While Gita is definitely a great book of Indian philosophy, it has definite associations with the Hindu religion. Enforcing it on people who don't follow the religion will only cause acrimony. Surely the book doesnt need any govt. mandate to make it popular. Its popular enough and needs no compulsory introduction. Those who wish to read it will continue to do so. But the elections are also around the corner.....

AbhikRana
August 5th, 2013, 11:03 PM
Even if the Muslims would want to read the scriptures of other religions, there is a cross-section of the educated society who would create doubts in their minds.

Even if the Muslims would want to celebrate Hindu festivals, there is a cross-section of the so-called educated and secular society who would remind the Muslims that they are Muslims and they should not.

They would want the Muslims to stick to their faith and not intermingle with others. This cross-section so very much identifies with the Congress philosophy of divide and rule.

swaich
August 5th, 2013, 11:09 PM
Even if the Muslims would want to read the scriptures of other religions, there is a cross-section of the educated society who would create doubts in their minds.

Even if the Muslims would want to celebrate Hindu festivals, there is a cross-section of the so-called educated and secular society who would remind the Muslims that they are Muslims and they should not.

They would want the Muslims to stick to their faith and not intermingle with others. This cross-section so very much identifies with the Congress philosophy of divide and rule.

They can read it, that is what my posts says too that many people enjoy reading it out of their own free will. But making it mandatory, especially this new rule about Urdu textbooks is what's controversial.

Btw, I am sure you can use the 'Reply with Quote' option. Why not quote me directly? Bas thoda sa debate aur bura man gaye? :)

AbhikRana
August 5th, 2013, 11:14 PM
I am sure debating is your passion as is evident from your posts. Unfortunately, it is not mine.

I do not see there to be any harm in making Bhagwad Gita mandatory in schools/madrasas. It is one of the oldest scriptures of INDIA and the world. It is part of INDIAN heritage giving the message and lessons/learnings of life and goodwill.

If muslims have an objection, let them voice it, I am not sure how are you concerned with it. I am sure they have not made it compulsory for you to recite it in order for you to enter your office.

Samarkadian
August 6th, 2013, 03:15 AM
I am sure debating is your passion as is evident from your posts. Unfortunately, it is not mine.

I do not see there to be any harm in making Bhagwad Gita mandatory in schools/madrasas. It is one of the oldest scriptures of INDIA and the world. It is part of INDIAN heritage giving the message and lessons/learnings of life and goodwill.

If muslims have an objection, let them voice it, I am not sure how are you concerned with it. I am sure they have not made it compulsory for you to recite it in order for you to enter your office.

Is it ? and me fool, used to think that the bio-mechanics is the semi God with in all of us.

swaich
August 6th, 2013, 08:59 AM
I am sure debating is your passion as is evident from your posts. Unfortunately, it is not mine.

I do not see there to be any harm in making Bhagwad Gita mandatory in schools/madrasas. It is one of the oldest scriptures of INDIA and the world. It is part of INDIAN heritage giving the message and lessons/learnings of life and goodwill.

If muslims have an objection, let them voice it, I am not sure how are you concerned with it. I am sure they have not made it compulsory for you to recite it in order for you to enter your office.

So you do reply to what I write but not by quoting me. Yes, that definitely shows your effort in not debating.

Bhagavad Gita is Indian, but also associated with Hindu religion which is one of many religions followed in the country. So why include books from one religion?

Muslims are voicing their concerns I am sure. Why are you perturbed if I voice mine?

AbhikRana
August 6th, 2013, 06:04 PM
Your questions generally and in specific seeking GOOGLE/WIKIPEDIA based proofs are insatiable. So, I would save my time and efforts on that aspect.

There is a saying in Hindi - 'BAAL KEE KHAAL NIKAALNA'.

Hinduism is one of the oldest religion not only in India, but also in the world. If Bhagwat Gita is being taught, there is nothing wrong. After all, it is not Chinese that is being taught. You can get your children NOT to read it as and when you have.

I am not perturbed by your raising noise on this issue. On the contrary, I am surprised to know that you are being perturbed when in the first place you are not a party to the whole issue.

You are not a muslim and you don't have to study it. Yet you are shedding tears. AND THEN YOU SAY YOU ARE NOT ANTI-HINDU AND PRO-MUSLIM. All your posts exactly reflect just that.

desijat
August 6th, 2013, 08:39 PM
inhone apraadh kyaa kiyaa he ???

आप को सब ठीक दिखे है ?

cutejaatsandeep
August 6th, 2013, 08:44 PM
Gita to be taught in madrasas in Madhya Pradesh

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/now-gita-to-be-taught-in-madrasas-in-madhya-pradesh-401634

This is surely a controversial move. While Gita is definitely a great book of Indian philosophy, it has definite associations with the Hindu religion. Enforcing it on people who don't follow the religion will only cause acrimony. Surely the book doesnt need any govt. mandate to make it popular. Its popular enough and needs no compulsory introduction. Those who wish to read it will continue to do so. But the elections are also around the corner.....
jab kerala ke muslim donimated districts mai ramzan ke time mid day meal serve karni baand kar di....non muslim students kyo bhookhe rahe?iske baare mai paaji koi baat ni karta...kyoki aise news media waale deekhate ni....ye to bhagwaan bhala karee uss insaan ka jisne facebook banaya ki hume aise news bhi mil jaati hai....

cutejaatsandeep
August 6th, 2013, 08:49 PM
Congress party in Rajasthan part helps Pakistani Spy, why? - SECULARISM. Officer handling the case transferred.

Jaipur, Aug 5: In a disturbing revelation, Pankaj Kumar Chowdhary, superintendent of police, Jaisalmer, who was recently transferred by Rajasthan government, has revealed that a spy working for Pakistan was caught from Congress MLA Saleh Mohammed's petrol pump.


http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/transferred-jaisalmer-sp-reveals-pak-spy-was-caught-from-cong-25963.html
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cutejaatsandeep
August 6th, 2013, 08:52 PM
bhahiyo mujhe lagta hai america n israel ko bharat se secularism seekhna chahiye:)
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cutejaatsandeep
August 6th, 2013, 09:17 PM
Bail for pregnant Maoist, jail for cancer patient Sadhvi Pragya
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Maoist sympathiser Sheetal Sathe was granted bail from the Bombay High Court on Thursday, June 27, 2013, on humanitarian grounds (being in an “advanced stage of pregnancy”) after the Public Prosecutor’s office did not oppose the bail plea. Sathe becomes the third Maoist to receive bail from Justice Abhay Thipsay; the State was represented by additional public prosecutor Sangeeta Shinde.
The ease with which Sathe received bail has caused heart burning in some quarters as Special Public Prosecutor Rohini Salian repeatedly opposed bail for Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur even after she was diagnosed with cancer and refused treatment on grounds of harassment. Now the same office has found magnanimity and compassion for a Maoist sympathiser.
Sadhvi Pragya denied bail, allowed to attend father’s funeral (http://www.niticentral.com/2013/03/04/sadhvi-pragya-denied-bail-allowed-to-attend-fathers-funeral-52022.html)
Salian ‘vehemently’ disputed the ‘Cancer diagnosis certificate’ dated July 5, 2012, issued by Dr Sameer Pathan of the Indian Cancer Society attached to Breach Candy Hospital, Mumbai. While opposing bail for Sadhvi Pragya, she went to the extent of creating an impression that the tissues examined by Dr Pathan may not belong to the Sadhvi but could belong to someone else!
The truth, in fact, was that the tissues were taken out by Dr Rajput strictly on the basis of an order passed by Special NIA Court Bhopal, and Dr Rajput had filed his own affidavit before the Bombay High Court in the matter of Sadhvi Pragya’s bail application No. 1679/2012.
The double standards applied by the public prosecutor’s office to the bail pleas of two women prisoners espousing different ideologies is a glaring example, if one were needed, of what ails the Indian State and its judicial system.
Sheetal Sathe is an alleged Maoist sympathiser and member of the Pune-based Kabir Kala Manch. She and her husband, Sachin Mali, were charged under the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act (UAPA), and surrendered on April 2, 2013, outside the Maharashtra Vidhan Sabha. They were handed over to the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS). The duo is among 15 persons charged on April 17, 2011, for being members of and supporting and recruiting for the banned Communist Party of India (Maoist).
Five years later, still no case against Sadhvi Pragya (http://www.niticentral.com/2013/02/01/five-years-later-still-no-case-43145.html)
Seven of the accused were arrested in 2010; six are absconding. Sathe sought bail on humanitarian grounds (her baby is due early July) and on grounds of parity as all seven co-accused have received bail.
Kabir Kala Manch was founded by Amarnath Chandaliya in 2002. It uses protest music and theatre to campaign on human rights issues and oppose caste-based violence and discrimination. In his statement to the ATS, Chandaliya admitted holding meetings with banned CPI (Maoist) operatives Angela Sontakke and her husband Milind Teltumbde, but claimed that he later severed contacts with them owing to some differences. Chandaliya said Sheetal, Sachin, Ramesh Gaychor, Dhavala Dhengle joined the Manch in 2005.
Sontakke was arrested in April 2011. The ATS claimed she was a senior member of the Communist Party of India (Maoist), and filed charges against 15 Kabir Kala Manch members for allegedly having links with her.
Investigations suggested that over the course of several meetings and one 15-day study camp held in Khed taluka, Pune, Angela and Milind indoctrinated the Kabir Kala Manch members into Maoist ideology. Sheetal allegedly headed the cell formed by Angela for attracting people living in slums. Sheetal was a very good singer of revolutionary songs and figured in Anand Patwardhan’s documentary film, Jai Bhim Comrade.
As was only to be expected in such a case, Amnesty International rushed to support the ‘revolutionaries’, lecturing the authorities that Indian and international law favour pre-trial release for all persons accused of penal offences. It pointed out that under article 9(3) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which India is party, it must not be the general rule to hold people in custody pending trial.
The right to liberty of the person requires that deprivation of liberty should always be the exception, and imposed only if it is justified, necessary, reasonable and proportionate in the circumstances of the case. All possible non-custodial measures, such as bail or undertaking to appear, must be explored by the judicial authority before making a decision to remand in custody, and such detention must be regularly reviewed by a judicial authority.
Bail for Syed Kazmi but not Sadhvi Pragya (http://www.niticentral.com/2012/10/22/bail-for-syed-kazmi-but-not-sadhvi-pragya-14591.htmll)
It goes without saying that this yardstick is not uniformly applied in India, and that the Indian State shows extreme tolerance to interference from international busy bodies who support ‘revolutionaries’ opposed to the State and indulging in violence or abetting violence against ordinary unarmed citizens.
The judicial system and the ruling coalition at the Centre [read Congress which dominates the UPA] showed extreme solicitude towards Maoist sympathiser Binayak Sen who was arrested in May 2007 by the Chhattisgarh Government for aiding Maoists. In April 2011, he was granted bail by the Supreme Court, and soon after made member of a Planning Commission panel, to snub the State Government. This petty defiance came back to haunt the Congress when almost its entire leadership in Chhattisgarh was wiped out in a gruesome attack by Maoists in Bastar district on May 25, this year.
It bears stating that the Supreme Court of India has frequently expressed the view that bail should be the rule and detention in jail the exception, and that refusal of bail is a restriction on the right to personal liberty guaranteed under Article 21 of the Constitution.
The experience of citizens, however, shows that bail is too often a privilege, the product of a covert discretionary quota raj that functions under rules known only to those inside a charmed ideological circle. It is not for everyone.

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/06/29/bail-denied-to-cancer-patient-sadhvi-pragya-96848.html

really shamefull

cutejaatsandeep
August 11th, 2013, 06:42 PM
bhahiyo aisa hona chahiye saas n damad ji ka rishta jo daamad ko baachan ke liye poori taakat jhook dee...

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mandeep333
August 16th, 2013, 03:59 PM
The greatest stunning blow to the Hindus (only) was Nehru & congress was to legislate Hindu Code Bill which came into force under various names like Hindu Succession Act 1955, Hindu Marriage Act 1955 etc. Why didn't Nehru & his Congress insist on Uniform Civil Code in (so called) Secular India? What was the purpose of Partition of India when more Muslims were to stay back in India that in Pakistan? What benefits are we getting by being known as secularists in other words anti-Hindus? I am not a scholar yet like a common man I have some queries as above.

Prikshit
August 16th, 2013, 04:18 PM
The greatest stunning blow to the Hindus (only) was Nehru & congress was to legislate Hindu Code Bill which came into force under various names like Hindu Succession Act 1955, Hindu Marriage Act 1955 etc. Why didn't Nehru & his Congress insist on Uniform Civil Code in (so called) Secular India? What was the purpose of Partition of India when more Muslims were to stay back in India that in Pakistan? What benefits are we getting by being known as secularists in other words anti-Hindus? I am not a scholar yet like a common man I have some queries as above.
Very aptly said. It was Nehru and Congress who actually sown the seeds of Communalism. And what is Ironical is now his heirs and his party people claim of "Secularism".

swaich
August 16th, 2013, 04:48 PM
What was the purpose of Partition of India when more Muslims were to stay back in India that in Pakistan? What benefits are we getting by being known as secularists in other words anti-Hindus? I am not a scholar yet like a common man I have some queries as above.

Partition was an option given to the people and not a compulsion. That it became a compulsion for many due to the ensuing violence is another matter.

Secularism doesn't mean anti-Hindu. What extra favors have non-Hindus got as a result of secularism? Hindus are ahead of Muslims in every field and indicator.

ravinderjeet
August 17th, 2013, 03:54 PM
अक्सर टीवी न्यूज़ और अख़बारों में पढता हूँ 'सम्प्दाय विशेष के
लोगो' ने यहाँ ये किया , वहां वो किया , वन्दे मातरम्
गाने पर आपत्ति की , मंदिरों की घंटियों पर
आपत्ति की , कवंरियों के डीजे पर आपत्ति की ,
मदरसों में गीता पढ़ाने का विरोध किया , सूर्य नमस्कार
का विरोध किया , जम्मू में केरल में उत्तर प्रदेश में हैदराबाद
में तिरंगा जलाया और पाकिस्तान का झंडा फहराया , भारत
विरोधी नारे लगाए , लाल चौक पर पकिस्तान
का झंडा फहराया , लादेन का फातिया पढ़ा , अफज़ल के लिए
रैलियां निकाली , सरकारी संपत्ति को हानि पहुचाई ,
सुभाष पार्क में मस्जिद बनायीं ,मुंबई में शहीद स्मारक तोड़ा ,रामभक्तों को ज़िंदा जलाया ,पकिस्तान के जितने पर आतिशबाजी की ....

इतना सब कुछ इस 'सम्प्रदाय विशेष' ने किया है तो कोई
इनके सम्प्रदाय को दिया 'विशेष' दर्जा छीन
क्यों नहीं लिया जाता ?
क्यों बार बार 'सम्प्रदाय विशेष' बता कर असली औकात
छुपा ली जाती है इन कीड़ों की ?
अगर ये विशेष है तो हिन्दू क्या बचे हुए अवशेष है ,

Bisky
August 18th, 2013, 09:06 AM
Dear Brothers!

ये S**le सारे एक हैं। पूंजीवाद का भयानक रूप तो अभी हमारे सामने आया ही नहीं है।
"ism" तो एक ही बनता है इंसान के लिए और वो है "Nationalism". वो कहीं दिखाई देता नहीं।
Very pathetic that we discuss "Secularism" but not "Nationalism". It is also very pathetic that the Elected Representatives discuss only "Secularism" but not "Nationalism".
ये हालात एकदम से नहीं बने हैं। बहुत मेहनत की है हमने और सरकारों ने इस पर। आज़ादी के तुरंत बाद से ही हम इस पर लगे हैं। रोटी की जुगत ने हमें इस कदर उलझा के रख दिया है कि मन में कोई विचार तो पनप के दिखाए।

Here I want to share the pain of a well famous poet - Avtar Singh "Pash"

मेहनत की लूट सबसे खतरनाक नहीं होती,
पुलिस की मार सबसे खतरनाक नहीं होती
गद्दारी-लोभ की मुठ्ठी सबसे खतरनाक नहीं होती


बैठे-बिठाए पकड़े जाना - बुरा तो है
सहमी-सी चुप में जकड़े जाना - बुरा तो है
पर सबसे खतरनाक नहीं होता


सबसे खतरनाक होता है
मुर्दा शांति से भर जाना
ना होना तड़प का, सब सहन कर जाना
घर से निकलना काम पर
और काम से लौटकर घर जाना
सबसे खतरनाक होता है
हमारे सपनों का मर जाना


सबसे खतरनाक वह आँख होती है
जो सब कुछ देखती हुई भी जमी बर्फ होती है
जिसकी नज़र दुनिया को मुहब्बत से चूमना भूल जाती है
जो चीज़ों से उठती अंधेपन की भाप पर ढुलक जाती है
जो रोजमर्रा के क्रम को पीती हुई
एक लक्ष्यहीन दुहराव के उलटफेर में खो जाती है


सबसे खतरनाक वह दिशा होती है
जिसमें आत्मा का सूरज डूब जाए
और उसकी मुर्दा धूप का टुकड़ा
आपके जिस्म के पूरब में चुभ जाए

Thanx!

AbhikRana
August 18th, 2013, 04:24 PM
Very rightly said!

It was the gameplan of the Congress party led by the Nehru clan to divide the country around various fault-lines (religion, caste, linguistic, regional, etc.).

The very ground for partitioning the country was religion. Hence, it was pertinent and rational that all the muslims should have mandatorily migrated to Pakistan/Bangladesh (East Pakistan) and non-Muslims to India. It was part of the Nehru's gameplan to allow muslims in India, not to have a uniform civil code, to present Kashmiris with special status (Art. 370), to allow cessation (on ground) of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir to Pakistanis, etc.

How many times can we allow the partition on religious grounds which the Congress is wanting through its muslim appeasement policies. Unless of course the sickularists want to transform India into an Islamic nation.




The greatest stunning blow to the Hindus (only) was Nehru & congress was to legislate Hindu Code Bill which came into force under various names like Hindu Succession Act 1955, Hindu Marriage Act 1955 etc. Why didn't Nehru & his Congress insist on Uniform Civil Code in (so called) Secular India? What was the purpose of Partition of India when more Muslims were to stay back in India that in Pakistan? What benefits are we getting by being known as secularists in other words anti-Hindus? I am not a scholar yet like a common man I have some queries as above.

ravinderpannu
August 18th, 2013, 05:53 PM
Dear Sir,

Request you to write up an article summarizing 10 years of (your favourite ) government,.and the good done to country.
Although we are watching everyday in news wats happening.!!

thanks..!!


Abhik, do you think all those who do not sing paeans of your favourite leader are saleable? Going by same analogy, those on the other side of the fence (including yourself) could also be saleable. It is characteristic of the brand of politics fancied by you and the flock to float conspiracy theories. Your writings suggest that India should have only ONE Political Party with just one individual running the roost with his whims and fancies and where contrarian views should be brutally suppressed by stripping the people of their right of expression. In the prevailing atmosphere it has become extremely difficult to write anything on social sites including on JL except for vitriolic criticism of the ruling party or hurling filthy sarcasm on its leaders. The simple reason being robust pugnacity of the fanatic followers of one particular stream of politics. It is a highly dangerous trend, - a precursor to Fascism. Arrogance has already starting creeping into young votaries and the fanatical faith-heads in anticipation of the election victory. Sensible and neutral analysts are disbelieved, heckled, abused, ridiculed and even threatened by the hoodlums. Even on JL some boys (some of them while flaunting their OZ credentials) have been wayward in their behaviour which should not be acceptable on a civilized forum. If this is the scenario even before your party coming to power, what will happen in the aftermath of coronation? Just an imagination of coming events has started scaring people having faith in democracy. It will be a doomsday for Indian democracy if lumpen elements are ever allowed to run this country. (May be your leader is oblivious of the activities of his blind followers who are doing more harm to him than benefit. I am sure, he would never endorse such kind of lumpenism). But, who knows, this kind of attitude may backfire and the peace-loving people might take due cognizance of this simmering undercurrent of dictatorship.
It is ridiculous that every political debate in India, especially on JL ends up to be - either pro-Congress or a pro-BJP. There could be people of conviction around (as opposed to both the parties) having independent ideas free from the pre-conceived ideological orientations who may not necessarily be working on the payroll of Congress as alleged by you.

ravinderpannu
August 18th, 2013, 06:02 PM
Rhetoric again..
how many proofs u need..dont u listen to news channels/see the reality or god did not give u something to analyse/...!!


Rhetoric again. Where's the proof?

People like Madhu Kishwar, Chetan Bhagat and Kanchan Gupta are openly supporting Modi and BJP. Do you find me saying they are on the payrolls of BJP? Its their view point and their own opinions which the express, but to say that they are doing so at the monetary behest of a political party is devoid of any fact.

ravinderpannu
August 18th, 2013, 06:20 PM
it may be good also as slowly we are moving to dual citizenship as in USA.
it helps improve the situation, get correct datas and have improved situation of Law and order.


It can be compared, as in essence it prevents people of a state in settling down in another state. It limits mobility of citizens in their own the country.

I must add, the Gujarat government had itself encouraged Punjabi farmers to buy up marshy/arid lands in Gujarat to improve agriculture after the 1965 war. The same had happened in many states like Rajasthan, UP and Uttarakhand. The Shahid Udham Singh dist. in Uttarakhand, Lakhimpur Kheri in UP and Ganganagar and Alwar districts are testament to the hard work of the Punjabi farmers.

But now, the Guj govt. has brought up an archaic 1949 law to expel Punjabi farmers. Do view the following video for more details.


http://www.dayandnightnews.com/2013/08/watch-prime-debate-punjabi-gujarat-farmers-and-govt/

Although the issue here should be seen in separation from the debate on Modi, it does raise questions on the so called nationalistic and fervent patriotism banners of the BJP.

ravinderpannu
August 18th, 2013, 06:30 PM
Have issues being in courts stopped anyone from expressing their opinions?

Gujarat and Rajasthan don't have a shortage of agricultural lands. And one only has to look at the districts in Gujarat and Rajasthan tilled by Punjabi farmers to understand the transformation it has brought. To ask them to leave after allowing them to farm for 40 years is an injustice.

While I salute your intellect, please let me be the ignorant and the stupid one here.

so , u finally agree...!!!
good for u.

ravinderpannu
August 18th, 2013, 06:46 PM
आप को सब ठीक दिखे है ?

or lagta hai ''आप को भी
सब ठीक दिखे है ''

baki samajh to tham gaye e hoge...!!!

ravinderpannu
August 18th, 2013, 06:53 PM
GYANI-DHYANI baba ji,,,ab post no. 62 (isi thread me) par bhi koi tipanni kar do...!!!
hume khusi hogi ...ki aap secular hain..!!!


Partition was an option given to the people and not a compulsion. That it became a compulsion for many due to the ensuing violence is another matter.

Secularism doesn't mean anti-Hindu. What extra favors have non-Hindus got as a result of secularism? Hindus are ahead of Muslims in every field and indicator.

singhvp
August 19th, 2013, 05:31 PM
Dear Sir,

Request you to write up an article summarizing 10 years of (your favourite ) government,.and the good done to country.
Although we are watching everyday in news wats happening.!!

thanks..!!

None of your fault. A cloistered clergy cannot see beyond a particular branch of philosophical moorings he is indoctrinated in. Now, can you underline the sentence in my post quoted by you, wherein I have supported any particular party or person. Even if I do so, I am not obliged to go by your choice. The same principle applies to all of us. What will I write or what not is again my choice. I fail to understand your frustration.

PS: सबतैं बढ़िया तरीका सै, जो तेरे मूड के हिसाब तैं नहीं चालदा उसनै सत्येश्वर तैं कहके बैन (Ban) करवा दे I ना रहगा बांस आर ना बजैगी बांसुरी

ravinderpannu
August 19th, 2013, 08:06 PM
Sir ji,
i am deeply impressed by the command of yours on English language,,,baki main to fail hoya karda angreji me..!!
.
.
you may or may not like congress but it seems from 'n' number of your posts that u r inclined towards the 'c' company(it may not be the case also) but u are definitely against BJP and Modi (your personal opinion).

Now since you have historic data and heaps of material to write against these two..i humbly requested you to write up a good deeds done by ( may be your not favorite ;C; ) ruling party, so that we get enlightened by your extraordinary writing skills ( which i do not possess )

P.S. ''baki bura na maano 2004 me parchi manne b C-party ki bagayi thi--Panwan Bansal (to be proved chor ) ki...!!!

....बाकि सत्येस्वर मेरी सुण दा तो कदे के धुम्मे उठ लें ओ साईट पे ..!!


None of your fault. A cloistered clergy cannot see beyond a particular branch of philosophical moorings he is indoctrinated in. Now, can you underline the sentence in my post quoted by you, wherein I have supported any particular party or person. Even if I do so, I am not obliged to go by your choice. The same principle applies to all of us. What will I write or what not is again my choice. I fail to understand your frustration.

PS: सबतैं बढ़िया तरीका सै, जो तेरे मूड के हिसाब तैं नहीं चालदा उसनै सत्येश्वर तैं कहके बैन (Ban) करवा दे I ना रहगा बांस आर ना बजैगी बांसुरी

ravinderjeet
August 19th, 2013, 09:09 PM
None of your fault. A cloistered clergy cannot see beyond a particular branch of philosophical moorings he is indoctrinated in. Now, can you underline the sentence in my post quoted by you, wherein I have supported any particular party or person. Even if I do so, I am not obliged to go by your choice. The same principle applies to all of us. What will I write or what not is again my choice. I fail to understand your frustration.

PS: सबतैं बढ़िया तरीका सै, जो तेरे मूड के हिसाब तैं नहीं चालदा उसनै सत्येश्वर तैं कहके बैन (Ban) करवा दे I ना रहगा बांस आर ना बजैगी बांसुरी

जब करडा छोह उट्ठे ,ते कुण में मुंह दे के ने खडा हो जा , अर फेर सौ ताहीं गिनती गिने ,छोह ख़तम हो जा गा ।


विशेष :- गिनती हिंदी ,जट्टू ,फ्रेंच ,अंग्रेजी किहे भी भाषा में गिनी जा सके स । आराम जरूर होवेगा ।

ravinderjeet
August 19th, 2013, 09:11 PM
Sir ji,

....बाकि सत्येस्वर मेरी सुण दा तो कदे के धुम्मे उठ लें ओ साईट पे ..!!
आँ भाई पन्नू ,तन्ने यु फोटू इस्सा ला राख्या स जणू ते थारी मेंह्स दूध देण तें नाट्गी हो ?

desijat
August 19th, 2013, 09:24 PM
There is nothing like Hindu Nationalism: Jaswant Singh
Nationalism is different than patriotism, and nationalism is what you believe: Akhtar

Brilliant discussion: http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-ndtv-dialogues/the-ndtv-dialogues-defining-nationalism/287402?hp

singhvp
August 19th, 2013, 10:02 PM
Sir ji,
i am deeply impressed by the command of yours on English language,,,baki main to fail hoya karda angreji me..!!
.
.
you may or may not like congress but it seems from 'n' number of your posts that u r inclined towards the 'c' company(it may not be the case also) but u are definitely against BJP and Modi (your personal opinion).

Now since you have historic data and heaps of material to write against these two..i humbly requested you to write up a good deeds done by ( may be your not favorite ;C; ) ruling party, so that we get enlightened by your extraordinary writing skills ( which i do not possess )

P.S. ''baki bura na maano 2004 me parchi manne b C-party ki bagayi thi--Panwan Bansal (to be proved chor ) ki...!!!

....बाकि सत्येस्वर मेरी सुण दा तो कदे के धुम्मे उठ लें ओ साईट पे ..!!


भाई, अंग्रेजी की के बात करै सै, मन्नै तो तेरा मैथ भी कमज़ोर लाग्या I तूं दो तैं आग्गै गिणती ए भूलग्या I चलो कोए ना तन्नै देशी भाषा मै समझा द्यूंगा, मन्नै वा भी थोड़ी भोत आवै सै I म्हारे देश मैं 36 पार्टी सें, तन्नै सिर्फ दो पार्टी क्यों दीखैं सें I ले तन्नै मोटी मोटी पार्टियां के नाम गिणा द्यूं (इन दो नै छोड़ के) : CPM, CPI, SP, INLD, JDU, DMK., NCP, अकाली दल, बहन जी आली पार्टी, दीदी आली पार्टी, अम्मा जी आली पार्टी, आम आदमी की पार्टी, और बेरा ना कितने ग्रुप सें i इन सब नै तूँ लल्लू समझ रह्या सै I तन्नै के बेरा केजरीवाल या बहन जी का बोट गेरणा पड़ ज्या I इसके आलावा कोए माणस independent भी हो सकै सै, के जरूरी सै किसे की पूजा पाठ करनी I तेरे धोरे कोए आर्गुमेंट नहीं सै तो फेर तूं लोग्गां नै चुप कराण ताएँ तूँ किसे एक पार्टी कै साथ जोड़ दे सै या किसे शरीफ माणस नै औरां की देखा देखी गाल काढण लाग ज्या सै I यो आर्गुमेंट तो ठीक कोन्या न भाई I पढ़ा लिख्या बालक सै, पेरिस ताएँ घूम आया, थोड़ी तर्क-संगत बात कर I फ्रस्ट्रेट ना हो I

singhvp
August 19th, 2013, 10:06 PM
जब करडा छोह उट्ठे ,ते कुण में मुंह दे के ने खडा हो जा , अर फेर सौ ताहीं गिनती गिने ,छोह ख़तम हो जा गा ।


विशेष :- गिनती हिंदी ,जट्टू ,फ्रेंच ,अंग्रेजी किहे भी भाषा में गिनी जा सके स । आराम जरूर होवेगा ।

खुद तो मारणे बलद की ढाल सींग पनाये खड़ा रह सै, औरां नै नुश्खे बतावै सै I i बस और ना लिखिये, खामखाँ टॉपिक तलै पड़ ज्यागा लीक तैं i

singhvp
August 19th, 2013, 10:12 PM
जब करडा छोह उट्ठे ,ते कुण में मुंह दे के ने खडा हो जा , अर फेर सौ ताहीं गिनती गिने ,छोह ख़तम हो जा गा ।


विशेष :- गिनती हिंदी ,जट्टू ,फ्रेंच ,अंग्रेजी किहे भी भाषा में गिनी जा सके स । आराम जरूर होवेगा ।

फेर तेरै आराम क्यों ना होया आजतक, लोग्गां नै भकावण लाग रह्या सै i

ravinderpannu
August 20th, 2013, 10:51 AM
lyo ji ..badal di,,!!!\

P.S. मेंह्स b 10-15 din pehla e byayi sai..!!


आँ भाई पन्नू ,तन्ने यु फोटू इस्सा ला राख्या स जणू ते थारी मेंह्स दूध देण तें नाट्गी हो ?

ravinderpannu
August 20th, 2013, 11:23 AM
ना सर जी , मैथ में नुम्बर पूरे १० ० आये थे।

बाकि इस साईट में घनखरे लोग़ा का पाला बैस INLD ते ऐ पड्या होगा ..!!
किसे बी माणस का दृष्टिकोण '' आज़ाद '' हो सके है ,इसमें कोई शक नि, फेर बी जे किसे एक पार्टी की कोई गलत हरकत ना दिखे तो उस ने कोण सा दृष्टिकोण कह्वंगे ..!!!

baki main to aam aadmi hu,,koi khas argument hai ni mere dhore,, or manne aap tayi kime kehya ho to batao..!!
aam aadmi ki dhal aapke vichar सुणना chahu su/tha. na chaho to na dyo...
koi baat ni kisi agli post me 'balak' ki dhaal sawal pooch lyunga..!!

main to 2-4 din gya tha paris kani,,apki to umar hogi saare Europe me...!!

lekin ek bhai tai kahi thi ak POST NO 62 ka jawab diye..O to mud k ne aaya ni is thread pe..!!!




भाई, अंग्रेजी की के बात करै सै, मन्नै तो तेरा मैथ भी कमज़ोर लाग्या I तूं दो तैं आग्गै गिणती ए भूलग्या I चलो कोए ना तन्नै देशी भाषा मै समझा द्यूंगा, मन्नै वा भी थोड़ी भोत आवै सै I म्हारे देश मैं 36 पार्टी सें, तन्नै सिर्फ दो पार्टी क्यों दीखैं सें I ले तन्नै मोटी मोटी पार्टियां के नाम गिणा द्यूं (इन दो नै छोड़ के) : CPM, CPI, SP, INLD, JDU, DMK., NCP, अकाली दल, बहन जी आली पार्टी, दीदी आली पार्टी, अम्मा जी आली पार्टी, आम आदमी की पार्टी, और बेरा ना कितने ग्रुप सें i इन सब नै तूँ लल्लू समझ रह्या सै I तन्नै के बेरा केजरीवाल या बहन जी का बोट गेरणा पड़ ज्या I इसके आलावा कोए माणस independent भी हो सकै सै, के जरूरी सै किसे की पूजा पाठ करनी I तेरे धोरे कोए आर्गुमेंट नहीं सै तो फेर तूं लोग्गां नै चुप कराण ताएँ तूँ किसे एक पार्टी कै साथ जोड़ दे सै या किसे शरीफ माणस नै औरां की देखा देखी गाल काढण लाग ज्या सै I यो आर्गुमेंट तो ठीक कोन्या न भाई I पढ़ा लिख्या बालक सै, पेरिस ताएँ घूम आया, थोड़ी तर्क-संगत बात कर I फ्रस्ट्रेट ना हो I

prashantacmet
August 20th, 2013, 11:46 AM
Partition was an option given to the people and not a compulsion. That it became a compulsion for many due to the ensuing violence is another matter.

Secularism doesn't mean anti-Hindu. What extra favors have non-Hindus got as a result of secularism? Hindus are ahead of Muslims in every field and indicator.
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Not in every field..muslims have killed more hindus in communal riots..though they are a minority here..strange or not?

Apart from this, hindus are also far behind in terrorism, religious fanatism, dirt/filth and population increment..are they not?

Prikshit
August 20th, 2013, 11:57 AM
Not in every field..muslims have killed more hindus in communal riots..though they are a minority here..strange or not?

Apart from this, hindus are also far behind in terrorism, religious fanatism, dirtyness and population increment..are hey not?
True, but when it comes to Hindus everyone turns a blind eye.

A fact which you can't deny is that, all over the world wherever there is tension between two countries/regions etc etc.You will observe one party as Muslims.
Only two things come out it
1) Either unjust is done to them all over the world.
2) Or its out of religious fanaticism they are involved.
There are so many seculars over here, they will better analyse this.

swaich
August 20th, 2013, 01:42 PM
Not in every field..muslims have killed more hindus in communal riots..though they are a minority here..strange or not?

Apart from this, hindus are also far behind in terrorism, religious fanatism, dirt/filth and population increment..are they not?

Certainly riots in India aren't all one sided affairs.

How do you measure religious fanaticism?

Dirt? Filth? How are you measuring that by community? Slums of any city will be dirty and so will be the poorest area of a village irrespective of religion.

singhvp
August 20th, 2013, 02:18 PM
ना सर जी , मैथ में नुम्बर पूरे १० ० आये थे।

बाकि इस साईट में घनखरे लोग़ा का पाला बैस INLD ते ऐ पड्या होगा ..!!
किसे बी माणस का दृष्टिकोण '' आज़ाद '' हो सके है ,इसमें कोई शक नि, फेर बी जे किसे एक पार्टी की कोई गलत हरकत ना दिखे तो उस ने कोण सा दृष्टिकोण कह्वंगे ..!!!

baki main to aam aadmi hu,,koi khas argument hai ni mere dhore,, or manne aap tayi kime kehya ho to batao..!!
aam aadmi ki dhal aapke vichar सुणना chahu su/tha. na chaho to na dyo...
koi baat ni kisi agli post me 'balak' ki dhaal sawal pooch lyunga..!!

main to 2-4 din gya tha paris kani,,apki to umar hogi saare Europe me...!!

lekin ek bhai tai kahi thi ak POST NO 62 ka jawab diye..O to mud k ne aaya ni is thread pe..!!!

Pannu Sir,

My simple argument was that those not supporting 'A' Party do not become supporters of 'B' Party by default. The choice is wide. You might have read the opinion poll conducted by one group (Times Today, I think) which suggests that the 'Others' could emerge the biggest group with about 259 seats in the next election and one cannot afford to ignore this third force as it will have a sway in the selection of the next PM. Anything can happen in these circumstances as there are so many black sheep in the herd. We should have patience to tolerate the contrary views also as long as these are expressed in a decent manner. I know, you are a good Samaritan and will get convinced now fully.

ravinderpannu
August 20th, 2013, 02:38 PM
Post no 62 ne k kehya kare hai bade wale ''guru ji''...!!


Certainly riots in India aren't all one sided affairs.

How do you measure religious fanaticism?

Dirt? Filth? How are you measuring that by community? Slums of any city will be dirty and so will be the poorest area of a village irrespective of religion.

ravinderpannu
August 20th, 2013, 02:42 PM
Indeed sir,, not supporting 'A' doesn't mean anything.
as i said i will ask some question in other post if here it doesn't sound appropriate.
thank you.


Pannu Sir,

My simple argument was that those not supporting 'A' Party do not become supporters of 'B' Party by default. The choice is wide. You might have read the opinion poll conducted by one group (Times Today, I think) which suggests that the 'Others' could emerge the biggest group with about 259 seats in the next election and one cannot afford to ignore this third force as it will have a sway in the selection of the next PM. Anything can happen in these circumstances as there are so many black sheep in the herd. We should have patience to tolerate the contrary views also as long as these are expressed in a decent manner. I know, you are a good Samaritan and will get convinced now fully.

swaich
August 20th, 2013, 04:00 PM
Post no 62 ne k kehya kare hai bade wale ''guru ji''...!!

Bhai mere, I will reply to whichever post I wish to. I am sure we all retain that right.

But since you have been pestering me, the post in question - no 62. There are many such incidents reported on the threads of our forum by esteemed members who post no sources, references etc but just mention a social networking site. I usually ignore such posts and the post in question falls under the same category. Further, that particular member has had many of his earlier posts debunked and ridiculed for fabrication and pure lies. Hence it doesn't deserve a response from me as yet.

ravinderpannu
August 20th, 2013, 06:33 PM
hahahhaha,,,main nyu e soch rya tha...!!!

AK TYPICAL ANSWER AAWEGA,,,TYPICAL PARTY KI DHAL...!!!

carry on jatta...!!!!


Bhai mere, I will reply to whichever post I wish to. I am sure we all retain that right.

But since you have been pestering me, the post in question - no 62. There are many such incidents reported on the threads of our forum by esteemed members who post no sources, references etc but just mention a social networking site. I usually ignore such posts and the post in question falls under the same category. Further, that particular member has had many of his earlier posts debunked and ridiculed for fabrication and pure lies. Hence it doesn't deserve a response from me as yet.

swaich
August 20th, 2013, 07:55 PM
hahahhaha,,,main nyu e soch rya tha...!!!

AK TYPICAL ANSWER AAWEGA,,,TYPICAL PARTY KI DHAL...!!!

carry on jatta...!!!!

When you have pre-decided then why ask? You could have told me you view me as Congress party supporter and defender. I wouldn't have bothered replying as my reply would anyway have been considered biased.

ravinderpannu
August 21st, 2013, 11:17 AM
हट हट के हुक-हुकी उठण लाग ऋ है तेरे तो झकोई ...!!!


There is nothing like Hindu Nationalism: Jaswant Singh
Nationalism is different than patriotism, and nationalism is what you believe: Akhtar

Brilliant discussion: http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-ndtv-dialogues/the-ndtv-dialogues-defining-nationalism/287402?hp

ravinderpannu
August 21st, 2013, 11:20 AM
i was expecting an mature answer but as evident that you only make hue and cry when u are hungry...!!
why are all the other questions are irrational..!!
this was a very much relevant question seeking an explanation on situation.

but any ways this is a free country and u r a free man..!!

P.S. secularism is only when u defend muslims ,,not even other minorities...!!! carry on jatta..!!


When you have pre-decided then why ask? You could have told me you view me as Congress party supporter and defender. I wouldn't have bothered replying as my reply would anyway have been considered biased.

ravinderjeet
August 21st, 2013, 11:35 AM
हट हट के हुक-हुकी उठण लाग ऋ है तेरे तो झकोई ...!!!


गादड़ की ढाळ ????:triumphant: